WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:07.040 Big Food and Beyond. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:10.960 With Cliff and Bubo. These guys are your favorites, so 3 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:18.600 like Shay, subscribe and raid It, Lipstick and me greats 4 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:24.879 on Yesterday and listening watching Limb always keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 6 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:36.560 Greetings, bobes loll Cliff. What's happening man? Anything good, nothing great, 7 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:41.640 nothing bad, just cruising saying old, nothing good, nothing bad, 8 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:43.759 just cruising being the Bobs. 9 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.320 Huh yeah, I know that's good stuff. I won my 10 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:51.880 I won my Betsy game again last weekend. It was awesome. 11 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.719 And then I did one little throwaway like twenty dollars 12 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.320 cheeser with the Niners even though but I got twenty 13 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.240 when I got twenty and a half points and they 14 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.520 lost by like thirty five, so I was still lost. 15 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:05.120 But I won my all my big bets. 16 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:11.480 I go sports, yeah yy yay, go sports. I don't man, 17 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:12.640 I don't get it. I don't get it at all. 18 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:14.760 Sounds like a bunch of math. It also sounds like 19 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.040 a dangerous way to lose a lot of money. Maybe 20 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:20.760 not dangerous like physically or anything, but emotionally dangerous. Thing 21 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:23.599 you know my life is stressful enough. Bobes, like, why 22 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:25.560 are you doing this to yourself? You're like, is it 23 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:27.920 the endorphan payoff when you win? Or is it the 24 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:30.560 stress like you just don't know and you like right 25 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:32.040 in the edge or what is it? 26 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.560 What is it that part? Dude? If I didn't have 27 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.439 had that vision, that divine intervention, I wouldn't have been betting. 28 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:40.719 That's right, that's what This is more of a holy 29 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:43.280 quest for you now right, not for me for God. 30 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:45.040 Oh you're doing it for God. 31 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:46.560 I'm just as conduit. 32 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:50.159 We're getting the Bobes back together. We're in a mission 33 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:50.519 from God. 34 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:55.040 I got Patriots and Seahawks in the super Bowl, but 35 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.000 I should have. I don't know. I'm not I'm not 36 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.200 betting anymore. I don't think this season. I think I'm done. 37 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:01.480 Oh please? Is that you're not going to bet on 38 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:02.040 the Super Bowl? 39 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:05.239 Maybe like twenty bucks, ten bucks, twenty bucks. 40 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:06.159 Well that counts, that's a bet. 41 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.120 Yeah, But I'm not going to be putting down like 42 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:09.879 big bets like I've been putting down the last couple 43 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:10.280 of weeks. 44 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:13.400 The only bet I have writing at this very moment 45 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.960 is a steak dinner with Todd Disstel sasquatches are proven 46 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:19.039 to be real within five years. 47 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:21.680 Dude, I've lost that bet so many times over the 48 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:22.919 last twenty five years. 49 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:26.520 Yeah, I might lose this one too. I'm being optimistic. 50 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:28.800 I mean, yeah, I think the Darby thing is probably 51 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:30.719 going to do it. You know, it's you know, keeping 52 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:32.680 on track and all that stuff. I put in my 53 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:34.719 faith in that at the moment, mostly because there's literally 54 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.479 no one else. You know, it'd be great to have 55 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.000 like five or six you know, teams working on it, 56 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:42.919 but right now there's only one place to put your chips. 57 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:45.199 You know, five years might be kind of close. But 58 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.080 I bet, you know, whatever worst case scenario, I lose 59 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:49.759 it and I have a steak dinner with some bourbon 60 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.240 with doctor Todd Disstel. He's cool, he's funny, he's weird. 61 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:56.240 I like him, you know, I'm cool with that. But yes, 62 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:59.000 that's the only bet I have rolling right now. What 63 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:00.800 did I talk to you last? I mean today, today's 64 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:03.319 the twenty first of January. It's a Wednesday. I know 65 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:05.439 that we did a podcast last week. I told you 66 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:06.639 about finding tracks, right. 67 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.080 Yeah, yeah, you sent some pictures and stuff that was 68 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.039 pretty You found a foot in the hand Yeah. Yeah. 69 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:15.560 Last week. I on Monday, I found about twenty or 70 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.080 thirty foot prints in one location. They weren't very good, 71 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:21.039 but they were sasquatch tracks. I went one drainage over, 72 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.199 found a handprint man and followed that up into the 73 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.400 woods before I lost it in the salal and whatnot. 74 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:29.599 Discovered some new areas in an old in an old location, 75 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:31.319 which is kind of neat. It's always That's one of 76 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:34.439 the benefits of going to the same place frequently is 77 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.639 that you know, you start exploring it more and getting 78 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.240 to know the area more. I went on Monday and 79 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:41.800 Wednesday and Friday, so I was out in the woods 80 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:44.400 three days last week. And then on top of that, 81 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:46.759 I'm for the rest of the week. I'm going to 82 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.439 be preparing my presentation for squatch Fest, which is on 83 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.319 the thirtieth and thirty first, So I'll be up there 84 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.840 with Katy's strain that squatch Fest, but I am going 85 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:00.439 to be talking about the nineteen ninety six five points 86 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.919 trackway that Doctor Meldrum cast because I've got a lot 87 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.240 of cool artifacts. If you're a museum member, you saw 88 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.680 a video that I made at the end published at 89 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.599 the end of December about that trackway. So I'm going 90 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.479 to be doing a live presentation about it and taking 91 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.879 questions and all that sort of stuff. So the video 92 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.879 itself that I published was about twenty minutes long, is 93 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:21.600 kind of a long one. It's like twenty minutes, so 94 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:23.759 you're gonna get a full hour of it if you 95 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:25.720 come to squadch Fest. So I'll be speaking about that, 96 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:30.519 tipping my hat to my good friend doctor Meldrum. So yeah, 97 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.000 should be good. Should be good. 98 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:32.800 Yeah. 99 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.399 But Friday went out and found more tracks of that 100 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:39.079 same animal in the same valley, And I'm going to 101 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.720 go out again tomorrow, but this time Melissa's coming. She 102 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:43.680 hasn't been out the woods for me for quite a while. 103 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:47.759 And then one of our employees, Jill, she's gonna come 104 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.000 out when she got hired. She told me, Cliff, I'm 105 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:51.600 mostly taking the job. So I can see a track 106 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.319 in the ground. I go, oh, and God. She's been 107 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.720 working for me now for coming up on a year 108 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:58.839 here in another month or two or three, and s 109 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.040 ivin't had a chance to take her. So she asks, hey, 110 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:02.759 if you Melissa are going one on it, go is 111 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:04.560 So she's gonna come out with me tomorrow. I'm gonna 112 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.560 show that really good track I sent you a photograph 113 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:10.120 of and see if there's anything else because I haven't 114 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:12.879 been there since Friday, so who knows what's been walking 115 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.360 around in that valley or the adjacent valleys in the meantime. 116 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:16.959 This is the time of year there, now and low. 117 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:19.240 So if you're listening to this and you're a big 118 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:20.560 footer and you want to go out and put the 119 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.160 boots on the ground, here's the advice, best advice in 120 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:25.399 the world I can give right now for bigfoot. Well 121 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:27.839 two things, find where they've been seen before this time 122 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.480 of year, and number two, stay below the snow line. 123 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.040 It's as simple as that. Man, go there and just 124 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:36.720 keep on going and you're gonna get something. Yeah, So 125 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.399 I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to that. Cool. 126 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.040 I guess we got straighten some people out here with 127 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:43.399 some guidance. 128 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.040 Well, yeah, Matt, Prue was tell me about a question, Matt, 129 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:47.800 why don't you come on in and you can frame 130 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.160 this up for us and we'll get on we'll get 131 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:51.079 on the topic of the day. 132 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:53.399 Yeah, I figured we'd do it. One of our above 133 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.759 and beyond Bigfoot and beyond episodes, because sometimes a question 134 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:00.439 comes in for Q and A and it's worth discussing length. 135 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:02.199 And this was one of those questions that comes from 136 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.240 a listener named Brian, someone who I've met in person, 137 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.279 met him a couple of times, and he's a listener 138 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.839 and a pigeon. But Brian had written in and said, 139 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.000 a lot of time is spent discussing events that happened 140 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.560 sixty plus years ago. And I understand why multiple people 141 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:19.199 were researching the same events and writing down their findings. 142 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:21.639 You all have a passion for the history of the topic, 143 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.120 and because those things were published, there's a shared pool 144 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.879 of knowledge to discuss those events. But why don't we 145 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.480 have the same level of enthusiasm for contemporary events. We've 146 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.680 got the same critters out there doing the same things 147 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.759 they were doing sixty years ago, but nothing is generating 148 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:39.439 excitement and researchers the same way. So what's changed? Did 149 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:42.319 the novelty wear off? Has the expectation for what we 150 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.360 find exciting moves so far that it takes something outrageous 151 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:47.720 to get folks to care. Do we lack someone like 152 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.079 John Green willing to head out for all these stories? 153 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:52.879 And I think there's a whole lot to be said 154 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.040 for all those points and a whole lot of other 155 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:56.879 ones that weren't listed in that question. 156 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.639 Yeah's well, I mean I totally understand where is coming from. 157 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.879 I think I think that was sometimes too, you know, 158 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.560 I'm like, wait, what, like we're still you know. But 159 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:07.600 a lot of it for me is that I think 160 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.439 other and other people too, is that there was like 161 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.160 nowadays you can read I mean I see some of 162 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:16.360 the reports coming into just AI you know, or just 163 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:18.519 you know, like it's so easy to fake a report 164 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:20.600 now before like you could, like people did, there was 165 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:22.959 so much knowledge out there, and like when John Green 166 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:24.800 was putting his stuff together, there wasn't like there's there 167 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.399 was no database to go to or you know, a 168 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.439 bunch of books or it was just you could it 169 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.600 was a lot more pure, you know. It was you 170 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:37.079 were getting just what people like, more unadulterated, like I 171 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.920 didn't like, not as influenced by pop culture and this 172 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.319 and that reports. And John Green was a pretty thorough 173 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:48.680 guy and pretty good at sewing people out. So that's 174 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:50.160 why those are important to me and a lot of 175 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:52.399 other people. I mean, I guess it's the main thing 176 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:55.560 is that it wasn't like a lot of cutting paste, 177 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:59.319 copycat stuff going on, you knows, really, like you can 178 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.000 count on the being not as false applied as a 179 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:03.759 lot of other ones like later on. 180 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:06.480 Well, most of the people in this field, like everyone 181 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:10.519 on this call, has driven tens of thousands of miles, 182 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:14.079 maybe over one hundred thousand miles in some cases, like 183 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:18.639 solely to investigate siding reports, to follow up on tracks, 184 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:23.160 to be proactive and investigate viable habitat. You know, when 185 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:27.120 I first got the question, my sarcastic thought was like, oh, yeah, 186 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:28.959 it would be really cool, Like maybe if Cliff and 187 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:33.039 Bobo did go around looking for witnesses and following up 188 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.559 on evidence and looking for tracks, and you know, maybe 189 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.720 maybe you guys could like document that somehow, and hell 190 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:42.000 maybe you could go to Canada or Vietnam or Australia 191 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:42.559 or China. 192 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:43.039 Oh wait a. 193 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.679 Minute, you know, but we've all done that. I mean, 194 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.159 most of the people I know who've got skin in 195 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:50.960 the game and years in the game have all done that. 196 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.759 But I think what we all end up arriving at, 197 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:56.480 and what a lot of those other old timers arrived 198 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.720 at is you know, you go through a phase in 199 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:02.200 your interest where you're very active and you hear about 200 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:04.240 something and you want to follow up on it. You 201 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.039 want to go look for signs or evidence or meet 202 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.720 up with those witnesses. But after you've gotten so many 203 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.320 of those under your belt, you eventually get to a 204 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.879 point where you take that knowledge and shift it into 205 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.240 being proactive and you know you're not waiting for a 206 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:19.960 report to come in. And god knows how different that 207 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.080 was in the nineteen fifties, when there were basically no 208 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:25.639 reports coming in because there was nowhere to come in too. 209 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:28.960 There was no centralized hub, no BFRO or database, and 210 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:32.639 so someone like John Green, who was solictening reports and 211 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.799 who had the time and money to go follow up 212 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:38.639 could drive down to northern California. But eventually he started 213 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:41.879 being more proactive there. But I don't think the idea 214 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.919 that there are no John Green's in the world anymore, 215 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.600 people that don't follow up on things, Like everyone on 216 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.399 this call and most of the guests we've had who 217 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.159 are researchers all fit that bill well. 218 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.799 And also I think Bubbo said, I think his word 219 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:59.159 was pure, like those reports were more pure at that time, 220 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:01.679 And there's lots of different ways to say that. One 221 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:03.600 of the ways I think about that is that they're 222 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:08.080 less influenced because nowadays, anybody, anybody can make up a 223 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:09.960 fake siding report and there'd be no way to find 224 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.000 out if it's real or not. You know, Like I 225 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:14.200 saw one. I was driving down Highway twenty six up 226 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.879 by Sylvan and one ran at two o'clock in the morning. 227 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:19.440 One ran across the car. It looked like a dude. 228 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:22.879 It was this tall blah blah blah, and there's no 229 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.600 way to verify that. We can just go to the BFRO. 230 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.039 We can go to anybody's website, like any of these 231 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.080 bigfoot researchers who love siding reports and publish them. We 232 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.080 just go there. We can listen to any of a 233 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.279 half dozen or a dozen podcasts and get a great 234 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:39.159 siding report. Whether it's true or not. We have no idea, 235 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.480 you know, and we can replicate another one. But back 236 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:45.080 in the day, they didn't have that, they didn't have 237 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.679 that template that they can use. And there's so many 238 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.440 other examples that are parallel of this that I find 239 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:55.320 extraordinarily compelling. And it's beyond siding reports. You know, Paul 240 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.399 Freeman's stuff for example, he gets such a bad rap 241 00:10:57.480 --> 00:10:59.919 because there's a small group of people that think that 242 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.720 he faked a bunch of stuff based on the word 243 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.279 of other people, you know, instead of looking at the evidence. 244 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:07.240 But when you look at the evidence, like the nineteen 245 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:09.639 eighty two knuckle track or a knuckle print for example, 246 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.399 that thumb position, you have to realize there were two 247 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.279 other handprints in the world at that point two, and 248 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.320 they were both collected in like seventy I think or 249 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:21.200 something like that, seventy or seventy one, and they at 250 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.519 the same time, in same place. And so like, what 251 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:27.360 did Paul build that? How did Paul build that that 252 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.600 hand structure? You know, how did he know about the 253 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:34.480 thumb position and whatnot? When Paul was largely illiterate, honestly, 254 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:38.000 and he was introduced to the Sasquatch subject six days 255 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:40.440 before he found that. I don't think he tracked down 256 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:45.159 Grover Krantz's research paper in Northwest Anthropological Research Notes reddits, 257 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.279 which is probably beyond his ability anyway, and figured it 258 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.120 all out and then replicated some sort of prosthetic stomper 259 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:53.720 to put inside of an off limits watershed and not 260 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.720 have the other guy who was with them observe him planet. 261 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:00.200 You know what I mean, It's a similar parallel to 262 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.840 this what are they basing it on? So I think 263 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:07.399 these older reports are are frankly more valuable than the 264 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.320 stuff that we get today as a general database. Now, 265 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:14.440 mind you, we've had so many more observations of sasquatches 266 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.720 since that time. We have so many more glimpses in 267 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:21.279 this odd behaviors that they might be doing. We know 268 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.639 a lot more than we did. And so I'm not 269 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:26.200 saying that nowadays the stuff is garbage and it is 270 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.279 easily faked. I'm saying that the early stuff is extraordinarily 271 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.399 precious because they had no influence, and it's also the baseline. 272 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:38.200 It's the foundation on which a lot of the other 273 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:41.240 stuff that we know now was built. What I'm finding, see, 274 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.879 I'm starting to slowly scratchuate a book right now as well. 275 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.000 Right I'm trying to finally get that out of my life. 276 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.080 I owe it to doctor Meldrum to do this thing right. 277 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:50.600 So what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to 278 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.519 rely more heavily on the older reports. And frankly, when 279 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:55.960 I say older, what I kind of mean is pre 280 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.879 finding Bigfoot, because finding Bigfoot changed the landscape a little bit. 281 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.200 And that's not to say that Mysterious Encounters didn't do 282 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:04.799 it before that. I mean, that is the first series 283 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:06.960 on Sasquatches. You know, we have to tip our hat 284 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.600 to the good folks over there at that show. But 285 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.600 at the end end of the day, it wasn't quite 286 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.720 as large a hit as finding Bigfoot was. So finding 287 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.759 Bigfoot changed the landscape. Who I mean, how many people 288 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:21.360 in the civilian population knew that sasquatches not before finding Bigfoot? 289 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:25.360 Not many. Right, as I'm proceeding forth with this thing 290 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.080 I'm trying to write, I'm relying more heavily on the 291 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:32.799 early reports and also the fact that nowadays, like knocking 292 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:34.879 is a good example, we have lots and lots of 293 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.360 reports of knocks, Like I literally got two or three 294 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.480 on my email today, you know, like they're very common. 295 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.480 But it would mean so much less, I think if 296 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:47.120 the knocking things started with finding Bigfoot. But yet we 297 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.039 can go back to nineteen fifty eight or fifty nine. 298 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.279 I think it was fifty eight that Bob Tipmas was 299 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.759 following a Sasquatch. He was following a trackway of Sasquatch tracks, 300 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:57.879 at Bluff Creek and he said he thought he was 301 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.559 just behind the animal, and he reported hearing a sound 302 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:04.600 like taking a log and beating it against another and 303 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:07.159 it would reply to him when he did it. You know, 304 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:12.799 like that's extraordinary. That's why those old reports are so fascinating. 305 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.840 That the fact that nobody knew that back then, and 306 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.240 it really set the foundation for what we're doing now. 307 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.720 And if they were reporting it then, and we're obviously 308 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:25.559 we'd probably still be getting it now, which we are, 309 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.960 But it's the stuff that we're getting now that wasn't 310 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.519 reported then that I think we need to take a 311 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.320 good hard look at six structures, for example, paranormal claims, 312 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.519 all that sort of stuff. If people are saying it 313 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:40.279 now and it wasn't at all being reported, then it 314 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:45.120 deserves a second look or more. Stay tuned for more 315 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.159 Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right 316 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:49.399 back after these messages. 317 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:58.399 Well, I think another big part of that question about 318 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.080 like getting in the car and bouncing up and going 319 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.039 somewhere is that there were so few people back then 320 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:06.519 and those of us that have been doing this for 321 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:09.279 a long time, like we all sort of share one 322 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:11.960 big plugged in network. I mean the network that you 323 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:15.039 two guys have is massive, and I'm semi plugged into that. 324 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.480 But you know, if something happens in Oregon, I don't 325 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.000 need to go there because Cliff is there. And if 326 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:21.519 something happens in the Southeast, Cliff doesn't need to go 327 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:23.960 there because I'm there, And the same with Bobo in California. 328 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:27.519 And so we do have good people around the country 329 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:30.559 that we trust and communicate with and network with. And 330 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.200 you've heard the if you're listening to this podcast, like 331 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:35.639 you've heard us have Joel Thomas on to talk about 332 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:38.240 things he's found in Oklahoma, and you've heard us have 333 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:42.240 Larry Anderson recently, and that subset of the Cascades in Washington, 334 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.600 and on and on and on all around the country. 335 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:47.840 And so there really isn't a need to say, hey, 336 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.000 there were tracks found in Texas. Craik your cars, Cliff 337 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:52.919 and Bobo, I'll meet you there in two days. You know, 338 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:56.159 they just we have people there to go handle those things. 339 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:59.639 And so that doesn't mean that there aren't exciting things happen, 340 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:02.159 or that we're not excited about what's happening now. It 341 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:05.440 just means that there are other people who can handle 342 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:08.279 those things that we trust and would defer to to 343 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.720 document and collect that evidence. If you look at it 344 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.360 from a bird's eye view of space and time, it 345 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.120 seems like a lot. It's like, how many photographs or 346 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.360 casts documentation have you seen of tracks from around the 347 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:25.279 country in the last five years? Probably a lot, you know. 348 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.320 Now if you zoom in on, like, well, how many 349 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:29.360 were found in Texas in the last five years, Well, 350 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.440 it might not seem like that many. Or how many 351 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:35.039 have we featured from Texas on this one podcast, It 352 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.720 might not seem like that many. So I think there's 353 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.039 a difference between what you're seeing and interpreting as the 354 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:46.600 excitement of today's researchers about today's events and what's actually 355 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:49.399 happening communication going on behind the scenes. You know, a 356 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.399 lot of people finding stuff that don't necessarily want to 357 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:54.679 come on the podcast or any podcast and talk about it. 358 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:57.799 They're just doing their work quietly, communicating a networking and 359 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:01.320 that's totally fine. And so it's just a very different 360 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:03.519 landscape than it was back then, when they were literally 361 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.640 only maybe half a dozen people on the entire North 362 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.960 American continent who were looking into these things. 363 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.119 It often baffled me. Why was Roger from you know, 364 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.640 who is from Yakama in Tampico, Washington. Why was he 365 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.400 bothering with Bluff Creek. I mean, there's Washington has lots 366 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:20.839 of bigfoots. And then of course that was an active 367 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:22.640 area that they were familiar with, and that's where all 368 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:25.039 the news was circled around because of the Jerry Cruse stuff. Right. 369 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:27.759 I was thinking that I remember in my earlier days 370 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.880 of big footing before I kind of understood what I 371 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.000 just said, you know, like that's the area that was 372 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:34.720 active at the time, and they didn't know about the 373 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.279 other stuff for the most part. Is this a long drive? 374 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:39.400 It's a long drive. It's like twelve hours or something 375 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.720 from yakim to Bluff Creek or more, you know, And 376 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:42.519 why would you do that? 377 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:42.799 Now? 378 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.319 Like, man, you have to press me pretty hard to 379 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:47.359 drive more than two hours for a big foot nowadays, 380 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.839 you know, because there's i know, like four spots within 381 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.400 two hours for me. Like, why would I go? I mean, 382 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:55.359 I go to Bluff Creek in the same sort of 383 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.640 way that people might go on some sort of pilgrimage. 384 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.359 I love the spot, I love the history that the 385 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:02.880 history is a big part for me, because I think 386 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:05.240 the history is important. I would go to bluff creep. 387 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:06.839 I'm not going to go I mean, for the most part, 388 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.680 it's gonna like I'm gonna go to the Olympics in February, 389 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.599 but that's because I'm going to some cool people. You know, 390 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.000 I'm not gonna I wouldn't just go necessarily unless I 391 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.480 was actually taking some sort of vacation. But if it's 392 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:19.960 just for bigfoot stuff, I've got areas, Man, I don't 393 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.160 need to go that far. If I'm going to be 394 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.000 a reactionary bigfoot guy, like it's going to be because 395 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:27.519 that sighting is less than a week old or maybe 396 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.279 two weeks or something like that, I'm not going to 397 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.279 travel like if somebody saw one a month ago, that 398 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.359 what does that do for me. I'm looking for evidence, 399 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:38.039 and they were too, I think, and that's probably why 400 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:40.079 they went a lot of these places. But I just 401 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:42.960