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Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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Speaker 2: These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and

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raid it, lip Stary and me.

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Speaker 1: The greatest go on yesterday and listening watching lim always

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keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and

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James Bubo Fay Bobo Clifford, how you doing, sir?

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Speaker 3: Good? Back good? How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm tired, but generally good. But there's been some

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great Bigfoot stuff. I'll tell you about that in the

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member episode. Like there was a sighting last week, there

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was a track find just a few days before by

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a police officer on his property, and we can talk

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about those events in the member section. So uh yeah, yeah,

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there's a lot going on. Man loves so got new

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displays going on in the Bigfoot Museum in the NABC

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there and like what oh we well we we have

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a partnership now with a Bigfoot mapping project. We have

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a touchscreen interactive Kiosk featuring their interactive Sightings map where

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people can come in because we get visitors from all

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over the country literally all over the world really, but

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all over the country all the time. And you know,

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people from Texas and Utah and Kentucky or wherever come

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in and they say, are there sasquatches where I live?

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And they go, Wolbard you live, and oh yeah, this

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and this and this. But now we have an actual

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map so they can zoom in and look at particular

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sighting reports and read them and do all that sort

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of stuff. Just putting on the finishing touches of that

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right now. I made the little sign for it or

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whatever the instructions. But it's a beautiful sea display mount

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and everything. And yeah, when I get a picture, when

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I get everything done, when the signs are done printed

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being printed later in the week, I'll send a picture

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to the guy who runs a big foot mapping project

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and let him see that. So I'm excited about that.

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Got some new stuff. We have a biography wall now

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that features so far just four biographies Sanderson, Krantz, Meldrum,

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and John Green. So that's kind of new stuff. I

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just made a display and turned it in for printing

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on Saturday. About the Dwayne Freeman photographs, not the movies,

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so that his dad got you know, his dad film

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people know about that apparently and some and at least

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one of those is actually a really good picture. The

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ones a little less so. But that first one or

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that one too, would be the last, second, last one,

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I guess the fourth one. I think there's five total. Yeah,

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so that and I've been delving into that a little

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bit more. Paul Freeman himself said that when all that

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event was happening and Dwayne was snapping photographs, Paul said

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that he had an eight millimeter movie camera with him

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and started trying to film something. But he doesn't think,

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like according to his recorded interview, he doesn't think. He

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didn't think that anything turned out on the footage. But

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I said, well, I think and I never saw any

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of this, So I called Michael. Michael, they dude, what's

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up with that? He goes, I don't know what's up

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with that? You know, there is some footage there. There

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is some eight millimeters stuff around here, like I haven't

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my dad's stuff. Maybe I should get that developed. I go, yeah,

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maybe you should. How interesting would that be?

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Speaker 3: Jesus?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm tracking down little bits and pieces in

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the Meldrum collection as well, And you know, I found

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another photograph of a Paul Freeman. It's actually part of

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a newspaper article after he filmed that sasquatch in the

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middle of April of nineteen ninety two months before he

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got his d Duck footage. If he has a really

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lousy piece of footage of a sasquatch that was taken

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over by Green Peak, and there's a picture of the

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camera he used, which is the same camera at d

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Duck Springs, And we don't know what model camera that

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was because it was sold in the garage sale a

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couple of years later. So I'm trying to track down

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that information. God, there's just so much going on all

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Speaker 3: Pull up for fifteen dollars or something. Well, who knows?

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Speaker 2: Who knows Michael, And Michael says that he thinks it

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was sold in a garage sale, but he doesn't even

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know that for a fact, So we know, we don't know.

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but between Michael and I and my occasional contact with Dwayne,

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you know, we'll try to figure out best we can.

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and that's just a tip of the iceberg. So we'll

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save that for the member section, you know, so our

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our members can hear about that, of course at the

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episode that comes out every Thursday. And if you want

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a month. You get every single episode, including this one,

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completely advertisement free, and you get the here cool stuff

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that you that the regular folks don't get to hear

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Speaker 3: So I'm getting a lot of a lot of great

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feedback on the last few episodes, Like people are like, man,

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you guys been on five the last three four episodes.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we have that great guests, fantastic guests lately.

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Speaker 3: I listened to Chris Spencer three times already and I'm like,

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I got a whole list of questions for him again. Nice?

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Speaker 2: Nice, So three three more times? So you listen four

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times when we recorded it and three more times after that.

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Speaker 3: Uh nice, We've proud's got a bunch of questions for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's our March Q and A today, something I

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look forward to every month. I love doing these episodes

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because it's a nice way to interact with our listeners.

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All the questions are submitted by our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Yep, we got a good blend of written questions and voicemail,

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so I'll just alternate back and forth. So here is

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your first voicemail.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Cliff, Bobo, Matt. My name's Colin. I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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Longtime fan. I grew up as a kid watching finding Bigfoot.

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I never believed in bigfoot until I had my own

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siding of one in Southeast Oklahoma in September of twenty

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twenty four, and that caused me to change my whole

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college direction from computer engineering to wildlife biology, which leads

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me to my current question. Do you believe it is

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safe in today's atmosphere for a wildlife biologist to be

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open about believing in sasquatch and pursuing the proof of

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its existence to the wider scientific community, or do you

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believe this is something that for my career I should

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keep under wraps.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. That's a good one. I mean, because Meldrum

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seem to think that it kind of still hurt people.

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I talked him a couple of years ago. He still

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thought it, like, yeah, you don't want to be like

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super vocal about because it's not going to open doors

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for you really so, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: He would always recommend if people wanted to pursue the

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sasquatch thing professionally in academia, you go into a parallel

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subject like you did, of course, wildlife biology, and then

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just kind of keep that interest on the back burner,

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so to speak. In today's climate, I don't think you

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need to hide it as much as maybe in the

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nineteen seventies eighties, But I think I don't think you

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should make it a central focus at least until a

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that it does any harm because at the end of

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the day, you know, at the end of the day,

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you're a wildlife biologist and you're out there doing the

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grunt work, going out and collecting the data, hike into

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this spot, put markers down, documenting this and that, doing

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your notes, you know, all the stuff that wildlife biologists

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Speaker 3: Thing as.

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Speaker 2: Just keep it in mind while you're out there and

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best way to go. And at the end of the day,

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you can say, well, I saw one. What am I

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supposed to do with that?

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Speaker 2: I actually saw one? How could I ignore this?

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paleontologist to some degree, and he works with museums and

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all this other stuff, and he's been asked to speak

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to like, you know, various museums and stuff about his

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paleontology educational efforts, you know, and that sort of thing,

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and the Bigfoot thing always comes up. The academics seem

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general rule, fairly interested in it. The older ones less

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so because they're they're old people. But it's all right.

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in thanks to shows like Finding Bigfoot. A lot of

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these young people, like yourself, Colin, have a interest in this.

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into stuff like this, but for professional reasons, you should

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keep your other work at the forefront and do this,

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do the bigfoot thing because you enjoy it, and you know,

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on the side, and eventually, when these things are proven

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to be a real species of animal, then you can

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has been Canadian geese or whatever you're into, you know,

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but I've been doing this other work using these same

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techniques and applying my education to this as well. And

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then hopefully your work can be added to the knowledge base,

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the data set, so to speak, of the sasquatch stuff

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at a later date, you know, because you have an

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advantage on a lot of these other biologists that you've

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actually seen one, so there's no question. So I would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would tend to agree with that. I think

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a lot of it depends on your temperament too. You know,

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if you're a fairly disagree with person and you don't

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necessarily need everyone to agree with you, I think you'll

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do just fine because all that stuff will just bounce

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right off your skin. You know, if people go, well,

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you saw was just a bear, or oh I think

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you were half asleep and dreaming or whatever the case

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may be. So it really just depends on like how

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much headaches you want to sign up for or if

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it's not a headache at all, pursuing it. But I

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do think cliffs Point is great in that, you know,

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if you're well established, I think that will help tremendously

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and then I pursued this, whether or not it's the

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chicken or the egg, you know, will help tremendously.

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Speaker 3: And there's there's a ton of people, there's a ton

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of PhDs and masks, guys with masters or women with

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masters that they are totally into it and there's a

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like informal groups. You know, there's a lot of PhDs

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in the field, you know, communicate with each other and

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they just kind of they don't they don't hide it

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with some kind of initiation. Right, it's just it's just

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an informal group of people and with scientic credentials that

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their study, then it's that's that's what's gonna pop to

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do whatever you need to do to make a living,

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you know, and but keep the Bigfoot thing on the side,

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and definitely apply your skill set to the sasquatch question

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to see what you learn, to see what you learn

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school for a wildlife biology that we desperately need in

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the bigfoot world. You know, we need fewer psychics and

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more biologists in the bigfoot world. Frankly, stay tuned for

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more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. Will be

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right back after these messages.

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Speaker 1: And here's your first written submission.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, bobo.

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Speaker 3: Hey, she don't have my glass?

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Speaker 2: Do you want me to do it?

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Speaker 3: No? I got, I got. Let me just turn up

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my brightness on my screen.

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Speaker 2: Let me turn up my brightness in my brain.

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Speaker 5: Me.

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Speaker 3: Harvey Flannagan fascinated by the Eric Shifton expedition and the

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snow print photos he captured in to the nineteen fifties.

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But I've never heard much analysis to this topic. I'd

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love to hear the team's thoughts on this as well

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as how some of the tracks seem to be bunny

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hop was side by side foot placements for an extended

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length and if similar bunny hop prints have been found elsewhere, Well,

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there's been bunny hop prints found or foxes whatever all

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I mean, all over the world. Like, yeah, there's been

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a lot of that's I've seen a lot of photos

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of supposed Yetie tracks or Sasquat's track. There's a lot

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of photos of that. There's that one bear over there,

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it's Haleix like big toe. Actually as it goes through

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like puberty, it actually rotates back up well down more

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because when they're young, they're like a real of boreal

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bear species. They're up in trees a lot, and their

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foot mythology is actually more like kind of like an ape,

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you know what, the like where our thumbs up high

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on the eight thumbs down. That's kind of how their

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paws set up their digits.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking at the photographs right now, and there

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is some straddle to them. I'm want to point that out.

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This whole idea that Sasquatch prints are always in a

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tight rope walk is way overblown, way overblown, very very

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exaggerated by the Bigfoot community and frankly used by the

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bigfoot community to validate their own footprints and snow even

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though most of the time these snowprints are actually actually

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animals hopping through the woods. I've seen this done many

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many times, like, oh, look that there's no straddle here,

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blah blah blah. This is clearly a big footprint and

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it's actually just something like a fox or a deer

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jumping through the snow. But the shipt in photographs, even

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though the prints are rather blown out, there is some

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straddle to the left and right, as there always is

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in Sasquatch prints. Even the PG stuff that's on from

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the second reel, there's a little clip out there you

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can see a little bit of straddle the Freeman stuff again.

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Once there's always some level of straddle, just a little bit,

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but there's always something. If it is exactly in a

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straight line through snow, it's probably something else. So I

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want to put that out there first, because that's a

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huge misconception in the bigfoot world. I talked to Meldreum

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at length about this. There's always some level of straddle,

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And of course straddle is you know, if you draw

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a line down the center of the trackway, how far

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to the left or right the footprints the feet fall

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and make the footprints. That's what straddle is, just to

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define it or whatever. But if it is in a

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direct straight line, I think bunny hop is a very

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appropriate term for it, because it's most likely an animal

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hopping through the snow. But in the shift in photographs

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that's not the case. Most of the prints in the shipton,

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by the way, photographs are blown out either through melting

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or sublimation or something like that to that effect. But

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that one really nice one is there that, you know,

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the one of the weird toes and all that sort

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of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Who did the recreation of that like the that like

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resin casting made of it like or like well, you know,

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it's like a three D image of they made like

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basically like a footprint cast without without the actual casting

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in the snow, just from the photos who did that.

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Speaker 2: The Shipton photographs, because there's another one of the mcneelee

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Cronin footprints that Meldrum did. There is a replica of

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the Shipton foot of what the foot shape could be

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shown in Krantz's book, and it says here I'm looking

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at it right now. It says a Nepalese craftsman made

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this of what the foot should have looked like from

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the Shipton photograph in nineteen fifty one, and the original

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was given to the Brooklyn Children's Museum, where this copy

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was made through the courtesy of Michael Kohne. I have

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two duplicates of that in the Meldrum collection, because the

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Meldrum collection, of course is you know, the Krantz stuff

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ended up with Meldrum for the most part, not all

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of it, but most of it, or a lot of

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it did. So I have two copies of that particular print,

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and there's also some other sculpts that I think Meldrm did.

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Meldrum was an extraordinarily talent artists. Most people don't realize that.

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But he could draw. He sketched all the time in

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his notebooks, mostly anatomical things. He's really in the tradition

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of the old naturalists from the nineteenth century. He would

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draw things and footprints. He would draw his interpretation of feet,

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he would draw jaws, he would draw bones, you know, footbones,

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and he would draw all these things. And he actually

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sculpted as well. He made two replicas of or he

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made a replica of what the Yetti footprint or the

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Yetty foot might have looked like based on the nineteen

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seventy three I think McNeely cronin footprints, and I think

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he did another one of the ship. I think it's him.

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Speaker 3: It was I just remembered it was him because he

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gave me one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, it's the same color clay. I have

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the original clay sculpts, of course, as well as the

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molds made from them. I think it was him on

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the Shipton photographs, but again I haven't found record of

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that yet. But there's a lot of things in there

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that I haven't found record of yet, and to look

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for a specific thing in the Meldrum collection is just nuts.

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It's like, yeah, I don't even notice. Like it's like

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looking for a particular fish in the ocean, like a

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certain fish that you a friend of your name Ralph

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or something, Ralph the fish.

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Speaker 3: It's like looking for a strut of DNA and an

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unknown specimen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. But every once in a while

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I stumble across something and I go, oh, shoot, this

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is amazing.

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Speaker 6: I gotta go.

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Speaker 2: I got to book put this in a place where

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I can find it again. But did we answer the

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question or do we just start? Did we get off

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on topic? Either way, I'm okay with it, but I.

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Speaker 1: Think you answered it. I would recommend I think it

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was Daniel C. Taylor who wrote a fairly skeptical book

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about the Eddy. But I think it was Daniel C.

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Taylor who pointed out the features that Bobo mentioned that

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they spend a certain amount of their development living arboreally,

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and so they're the large toe can jut out to

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the side and kind of give the impression of almost

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an ape like foot. I don't know that that is

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a solve for the shift in photographs. But that's definitely

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a resource worth looking into. I mean, he sort of

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arrives at the conclusion that they're all in this identified

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bear signings and tracks, which obviously we don't agree with.

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But to answer Lee's question about you know, how much

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analysis has been done, that'd be a good place to look.

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In addition to the Sasquatch and YETI oriented resources that

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you mentioned.

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Speaker 3: I think it is a YETI. I don't think it's

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a bear, just because it didn't do like bear like things,

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like the way it crossed that snow field, and then

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we're dropped down. There's no way, like you need something

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I could climb, like a bear wouldn't go down where

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the traction engine went down that into that crevice, you

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know that ravine down into there.

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Speaker 2: And any analysis Meltrium has on the feet I have

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not gotten to yet. His YETI files are extensive. He

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was clearly getting ready to write some stuff for one

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of his two or three books that he was working on.

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But if there's a I know, there's an entire file

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inside the Yetti file of footprints. You know, some of

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the stuff I had never been seen before. But again

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I've not gotten to that point. Now yet where I

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can sit down and read for enjoyment in the mildrom collection.

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I just haven't gotten to it YETI yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

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better YETI yeah, better way to say it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that is a good segue into your next voicemail.

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Speaker 7: Hello guys, this is Matthew in Eastern Oklahoma. Thank you

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so much. I love you guys. You're the best. My

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question relates to doctor Meldrum. I know has been some time,

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and first condolences. I know you guys are dear friends

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with him and family. You probably consider yourselves family, and

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I know it's a great loss. Many of us knew

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of him, listened to all of his content, but weren't

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truly as close as you guys were. So condolences as

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you have to go through all that. And my question

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again is related to doctor Meldron. What's something now that

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he's passed away that you've learned, whether it's some epiphany,

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whether it's something more tangible having to go through his belongings,

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just some what's something that you've learned about him, or

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about Bigfoot or about the phenomenon after he's passed away.

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I think that's a beautiful thing about people that leave

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us legacies.

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Speaker 6: We continue to.

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Speaker 3: Learn from them well after they're gone.

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Speaker 7: And again, condolences, appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I just said that. The thing that

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the first thing that pops to my mind is what

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I just went said, is that doctor Meldrim was an

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amazing artist. I had no idea but going through his

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notebooks and you know, I've got one on the floor

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actually right next to me here in some of his

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earlier work when he's looking at I think jawbones of

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various monkey species in South America, and he would just

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draw these jawbones and they're just gorgeous, beautiful drawings. He

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spent a lot of time with a pencil in his hand,

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you know, basically in his scientific work, like I said,

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kind of along the same tradition as the nineteenth century

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naturalist did. He would sketch things out and whatever. And

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it goes beyond that as well. I'm assuming, but it

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just in case I'm incorrect. I'm assuming most people know

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the story the nineteen ninety six footprints, which is the

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thirtieth anniversary, by the way, this year of the nineteen

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ninety six foot prints, the five point trackway, and how

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one in that trackway. One of the prints was kind

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of angled at about forty five degree angle. And it

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was several months later when Jeff was spending time on

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the beach. In his book, he said on a beach

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in Oregon. But I found notes that indicator that suggests

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at least it might have been on a beach of

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a lake in Montana. So that's kind of up in

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the air right now. But where he was examining his

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own footprints and as well as those of his children

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while they played, and he casts several of them, and

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he was seeing he's examining the gates and whatever, and

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that forty five degree angle he saw in the Sasquatch trackway,

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he replicated by looking over his shoulder on the beach,

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and you know, so you do experiments like that. But

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I found drawings of those trackways that were made out of,

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you know, pieces of paper taped together that when it

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fully extended, are like twelve feet long, and with appropriate spacings.

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The footprints aren't full size, but he would have all

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the measurements. He had the length of the foot and

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the step length, and then the stride length, and then

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the angles of the toe angle out from the midpoint

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of the straddle, and he would spend a lot of

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time with pencil and paper, and I think that's just

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super cool and fascinating, whereas most people nowadays, I imagine,

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probably do it on computer. Jeff was old school, you know,

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he came up before the fancy software and all that

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sort of stuff, and he has certainly adapted to it.

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He used that stuff, but a lot of his work

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was with pencil and paper. When I got the collection

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home and started going through it and slowly started organizing it,

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which of course I'm still not done with. Of course,

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one of the first things that came to mind as

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far as using any of his work for the museum.

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It wasn't initially, oh I'm gonna here's a footprint I'm

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going to display or something like that. You know, the

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most natural exhibit, that first thing the spring to my mind,

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at least most naturally, is the art of doctor Meldrum,

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which I think would be a really cool display and

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it would give and most importantly, it would give a

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00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:12,319
different facet to doctor Meldrum to the general public than

474
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,279
what they were used to, because you know, we knew

475
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,680
doctor Meldrum on a different level than most civilians, do

476
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:20,759
you know. I knew he was a star Trek fan

477
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,799
and and science fiction nerd in general, and he loved

478
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:27,279
boy Scouts and like things like that, you know, like

479
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,759
little tidbits about him or everybody else just sees him

480
00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:32,200
as the foot doctor, so to speak, you know, the

481
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,279
Bigfoot professor, you know, but I would love to give

482
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,039
the public a glimpse into this other level of doctor Meldrum.

483
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:44,079
And I think his art is a wonderful avenue for that.

484
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,759
So that's the thing that jumps to my mind first

485
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:49,039
at least. Yeah, And of course I guess the second

486
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:53,200
thing would be his true level of nerdiness with bigfoot stuff,

487
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:55,960
you know, like his book collection was exquisite. I didn't

488
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,480
get his books. I Laurie, his wife, got those, because

489
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,960
there more meaningful to her. So we talked about them

490
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,119
and I pointed out the most valuable ones and whatever

491
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,960
else and you know, stuff you know, autographed by Sanderson

492
00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:09,519
and stuff like that. You know, like that level of

493
00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,599
nerdiness I think is pretty cool. And he was definitely

494
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,279
you know, he was definitely one of us, like Yaba Kaba, Hey,

495
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:17,559
he was you know, he was definitely one of us

496
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:21,400
as far as like the the lifers in nerdiness in

497
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,400
bigfoot Land, you know, like like hard back covers of

498
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:27,640
you know, Roger Patterson's book, and you know, and he

499
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,319
has several other copies, but like he had that one too,

500
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:32,960
and that just shows yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's

501
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,640
definitely a.

502
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:34,839
Speaker 3: Nerd, just like you knows.

503
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think so, not that I

504
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,200
know of, but I mean maybe you did. I don't.

505
00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:40,920
I don't know when Sanderson died. I thought it was

506
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,920
in the seventies or something. Sanderson died in seventy three. Okay,

507
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,400
there you go, There you go anyway. So that's the

508
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,559
first thing that jumps to my mind, Matthew. So I

509
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:54,039
hope that helps a little bit. Stay tuned for more

510
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,079
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. Will be right

511
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,319
back after these messages.

512
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: And you're keeping with the meldn theme. Here's the next

513
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,279
written question for you there, Cliff.

514
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 2: Okay, this one's from a one Melchor or melcoor Melcore.

515
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,319
I hope it's Melcor because I'm a Tolkien fan, although

516
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:20,880
it's not spelled the same. I just finished watching the

517
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,200
newest episode of Expedition Files. I never heard of that

518
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,720
a featuring the Patterson Gimlin film and the late great

519
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:30,880
doctor Jeff Meldrum. Do any of you know if his

520
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,960
interview in the episode was his last or clipped from

521
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,160
another previous show, And have you all seen his stabilized

522
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,960
footage of the film. I've been listening to the podcast

523
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,279
since episode one came up. The great work and as always,

524
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,000
keep it squatchy the episode of Expedition Files. Is that

525
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:48,079
a TV show or what is that?

526
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:48,279
Speaker 3: Matt?

527
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:48,519
Speaker 2: You know?

528
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: I think, well, I know his last big interview was

529
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,400
with some guy that was like just got into big Foot,

530
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,440
like I was just doing it, like like listening to

531
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,599
the different mysteries. That guy got like a big interview

532
00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:01,160
with Jeff right right before we passed.

533
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a YouTube channel called Backcountry Manifesto, and

534
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,480
I don't know if it was just mystery oriented or

535
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,240
just all sorts of like outdoors, backcountry sort of things.

536
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,240
But yeah, I would imagine any of those YouTube or

537
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:17,319
podcast interviews closest to Jess passing would be the most recent,

538
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,200
because something like a television series, you know, there's a

539
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,920
long turnaround time from the time they film until the

540
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,359
time that's released. So let me see if I can

541
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,359
find that expedition files show.

542
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

543
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,079
Speaker 2: When I was actually out in Pocatello, I was staying

544
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,240
with my friend Brandon Tennant, who runs Sasquatchprints dot com,

545
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:38,079
who is also the exclusive way you can get Bigfoot

546
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,519
and Beyond t shirts. So if you go to sasquatchprints

547
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,640
dot com and go to you know, the Bigfoot and

548
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,359
Beyond stuff, you can get T shirts of our podcast

549
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,839
that everybody should wear because they're first of all, they

550
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:51,440
look great on you. They augment your eyes, they're slimming,

551
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,799
they make you look super great. They you know, they

552
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,519
take forty pounds off you. Anyway, making all that up,

553
00:26:57,559 --> 00:26:58,839
I don't know if any that's true, but I'd like

554
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,400
to think it's true. Ayway, Yeah, go to Sasquatchprince dot

555
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,960
com and get T shirts, but be put to me

556
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:05,640
on anyway. I was staying at Brandon's house and he

557
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,200
was watching some YouTube thing and a recent I knew

558
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,880
it was recent because Jeff was very gray and its

559
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,119
video came up of doctor and what they I think

560
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,279
they claimed it to be doctor meltwm's last interview, and

561
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,519
it was in late July or early August, and he

562
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,400
died on September ninth, so it might have been his

563
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,400
last interview, and he was wearing this this peach colored shirt.

564
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,720
So to my knowledge, that's his last interview, but I

565
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,359
don't know, I don't know. There could have been another

566
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:30,880
one in there.

567
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,319
Speaker 1: It looks like Expedition Files is a Discovery Channel series

568
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,920
hosted by Josh Gates. So yeah, i'd imagine there's quite

569
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,759
a bit of turnaround time, you know, if that was

570
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:43,240
filmed months prior weeks or month, but usually months, right.

571
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a YouTube It was a

572
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,559
YouTube guy that it was like a one man band,

573
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,039
like a one guy like he shoots and edits and

574
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,759
hosts the whole thing. He got like a lot of

575
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,440
timing with Jeff. I remember I saw I was like

576
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,359
Jeff last movie. I was like, damn it. We were

577
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,759
supposed to be getting interview with Jeff like any week.

578
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:01,880
Then that guy got it, not us, and he got

579
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,279
like the guy got like hours of Belgium interview.

580
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always generous at this time, that's for sure.

581
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:09,920
And he liked to talk about this stuff too. You know,

582
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,359
he's always up for a good conversation.

583
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,759
Speaker 1: I think if you that question, one and here's your

584
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:15,680
next voicemail.

585
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,759
Speaker 8: Hi guys, my name is David from the San Francisco

586
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:23,599
Bay area in California, and I'm addicted to your podcast,

587
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,359
I think because of the whole good cop bad cop thing. Anyway,

588
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:29,759
I was wondering if you had a favorite term of

589
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,799
venery for bigfoots or maybe you can invent a new one.

590
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:38,319
And that's it and no cliff besides the term troop.

591
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,519
Speaker 6: So what say you, two officers?

592
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:44,079
Speaker 3: I miss the one of the key word is that?

593
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,319
Speaker 6: What do you say about the he said the term

594
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:47,920
of vinery?

595
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm getting that. The question is what is

596
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,759
the collective noun for a sasquatch? Just like a gaggle

597
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:59,359
of geese, a murder of crows, an ostentation of peacock's

598
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,799
So what is it for a sasquatch?

599
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: I've heard this before. I've heard this question before. I

600
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,440
can't remember what people said.

601
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: We get this question often. But you know, my question,

602
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,799
which we'll return to later, is like, which one of

603
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:15,319
you is the good cop and which one's the bad cop?

604
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:20,599
Speaker 3: Bad cop? I'm the cool guy. Let you take your

605
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,759
beers and go home.

606
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like if I told Boo like Hey man,

607
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,359
I'm just in a hurry'd be like, all right, be safe,

608
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:27,079
and you'd let me go.

609
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I vote to call them a Patterson of Bigfoot, A.

610
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,119
Speaker 3: Patterson of Bigfoot. Yep.

611
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: I think we should call it a Glenn because you know,

612
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,279
Glenn Thomas. That might be like the most famous like

613
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,960
family unit siding or an an ousman of squatches. Yes,

614
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,720
because you know Patterson only saw in film the one,

615
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,240
so you'd have to pull his sore core reference that

616
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:53,640
has multi, that has plural.

617
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,839
Speaker 2: Now, I think if we need, if we're going to

618
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,440
do it, we need to go to the beginning. It's

619
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,880
got to be a crew of Bigfoot.

620
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:00,359
Speaker 6: That is pretty good.

621
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: It is good because crew Jerry Crewe that is you know,

622
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,039
it's already a name for plural anything.

623
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,839
Speaker 6: And Albert of Apes.

624
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:10,839
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Austin is the most appropriate. That

625
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,960
crew makes sense overall.

626
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think crew is the MVP here.

627
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for Bigfoot, I think if you're using sasquatch,

628
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,079
then we need to probably do a tip of the

629
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,400
hat to the native side of things a little bit

630
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,559
and maybe consult a few folks and see what they

631
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,920
feel about it. But if you're saying bigfoot the American word.

632
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,359
Why not go back to the.

633
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: Source and called the crew bigfoot And I think this

634
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:36,240
should be a mob with yaoys or something. I was

635
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,799
thinking mob, but as negative connotations.

636
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,839
Speaker 1: I've often joked about the very first time that because

637
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,079
I think we talked about on the Tribute to Bob

638
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,279
Saget episode that you know, Cliff was very much in

639
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,039
like teacher mode out there before I got to know

640
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:55,039
him personally, and myself and Walt film on if a

641
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,400
few of us were up on this hillside and heard

642
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:01,839
some response vocalization because people down a camp, we're generating calls,

643
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,680
and you know, Derek had Bob out on the trail

644
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,880
and we're like, we heard something, and Cliff was like,

645
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,039
do you have your recorder running over the radio And

646
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:10,240
we were like, no, actually we didn't. And he was like,

647
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,759
and you call yourself researchers, And that one kind of stung.

648
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:15,480
So I do think Cliff would have given me a

649
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,839
ticket for that, a citation for not having.

650
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,039
Speaker 6: My cru quarter running.

651
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: So we'll leave it to David to tell us who

652
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,680
he thinks is good cop and bad cop.

653
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,559
Speaker 6: So what am I?

654
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,279
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just the like the deputy the ride along.

655
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,119
I'm the civilian ride along. I'm just here observing.

656
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,799
Speaker 3: You're the commissioner or the whatever the head do to

657
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:38,400
the police commission.

658
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 6: I'm just dispatching.

659
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,359
Speaker 2: Well, I would like to throw a bobo of boogers

660
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:43,720
in there.

661
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: I like that.

662
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that quite a lot.

663
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: Bobo of boogers.

664
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

665
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: Oh, it works on so many levels now that i'm

666
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:56,720
thinking of it.

667
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:02,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, So hopefully that gives you some options to work

668
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,599
with their David and so here is the next written

669
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,960
submission for the Bobes.

670
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,279
Speaker 3: John Jackson. Hi, guys, I love this show and I've

671
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:14,599
listened to every single episode, some multiple times. What would

672
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,400
be more disappointed to you? A A bigfoot is one

673
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,400
hunderent proven as a living species the day after you

674
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,440
pass away. B bigfoot is one hundersup proven as a massive,

675
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:26,599
elaborate host the day before you pass away. Thanks and

676
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,160
looking forward to your answers. Keep it squashy, I'm.

677
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,599
Speaker 1: Going hey all the way I'm going B. I would

678
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:38,640
be way more disappointed the day before I pass away

679
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,000
to learn that I'd wasted all that time. So I

680
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,720
would much rather they be proven real, even if it's

681
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,759
even if I don't get to see it then the inverse.

682
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,599
Speaker 3: So I said, hey, big foot is proven as a

683
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,400
living species the day after you pass. I'dnother have that than.

684
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,319
Speaker 6: Oh you would say, which would be more disappointing. So

685
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:58,079
that's why I understood.

686
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,839
Speaker 3: Yet, Oh, oh you're right, Yeah, yeah, B B for sure.

687
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:05,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd have to be B of course. And either

688
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,920
way your dad's who cares you get to know already? Yeah,

689
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:11,599
So yeah, that's the one. It's one of many great

690
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:13,279
things about death is that, oh you get to know

691
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,680
some stuff, or I would assume. So we've talked about

692
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,559
that before in the podcast. That's what I'm hoping for.

693
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,599
At least we'll see. But you know, once you're done,

694
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,319
you're done, so it probably doesn't matter anymore.

695
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,839
Speaker 1: I think in a perfect metaphysical realm, it would be

696
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,839
like when you complete a video game and it gives

697
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,880
you all your stats and you get to see like

698
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,119
a sort of like a spreadsheet of like, you know,

699
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,319
the number of times you've been within ten yards, twenty yards,

700
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,519
fifty yards, you know, et cetera, the number of times

701
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,559
the sasquatch has seen you, and you could just see

702
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,640
all those numbers, maybe like pie charts and bar grafts,

703
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,119
et cetera.

704
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get to revel in your own failures. In

705
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,400
other words, and you get a grade. Yeah, you blew

706
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,960
it here, You blew it here. If you would have

707
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,480
turned around right there, you could have seen one.

708
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:54,079
Speaker 3: Right.

709
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 6: I'm hoping for like a D plus at least.

710
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about disappointment.

711
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: And this voice is a question that comes up often.

712
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,680
I think the last time we discussed it in depth

713
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:05,200
was on a members episode.

714
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,039
Speaker 6: So the main listenership has not heard this. So here's

715
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:10,280
a voicemail for you.

716
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:15,199
Speaker 5: Hey, Fellas Matt here from Santa Maria, California. I'm turning

717
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,079
sixty this year, so I'm planning a pilgrimage to the

718
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:22,760
Patterson Gamblin film site in June. In my initial research,

719
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:27,440
I keep hearing about a Finding Bigfoot episode about Bluff Creek.

720
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,360
I seem to think that this one was pulled because

721
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,760
of licensing issues. So my question here, is that episode

722
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,960
available anywhere or where do you think I might be

723
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,400
able to find it? Thank you?

724
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:40,079
Speaker 3: I don't know you.

725
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it's in rotation or not,

726
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,079
because and I believe we don't know anything because we're

727
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,480
not on that. You know, we're not behind the scenes

728
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,119
like that, but I believe it's not out there on

729
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,320
streaming because streaming didn't really exist when they worked out

730
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,920
the licensing agreement with the Patterson family. Well that's right, yeah,

731
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,400
because it wasn't really a thing because that was one

732
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,639
of the earlier episodes. That was season two, I believe,

733
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:03,480
and so I was twenty twelve, I think when they

734
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,119
were filming it or something, and at that point streaming

735
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,599
hadn't really taken over the world yet. So they made

736
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,960
up then. And the Patterson lawyers are very very savvy,

737
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,840
you know. They account for almost everything DVD's commercials that

738
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,920
like the full length broadcast, the web stuff or whatever

739
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,119
it is, which isn't streaming. It's different. Still, they account

740
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,639
for almost everything. I remember one of the producers kind

741
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,000
of complaining to me a little bit about how savvy

742
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,000
their lawyers were. Not that the producer had much. They

743
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,400
weren't in negotiations or anything like that, but apparently it

744
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,000
was frustrating, I guess for the Animal Planet lawyers to

745
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,840
work with them to some level, because they were so

746
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,880
good at what they were doing and more powers to

747
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,480
the Patterson's. Honestly, I'm on their side on this one,

748
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,400
but that's probably why because streaming didn't exist, and there

749
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,119
would have been a separate carve out in the actual

750
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,239
contract for streaming on you know, Discovery Plus or wherever

751
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,760
you get your streaming stuff. Probably why. But then again,

752
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,079
with maybe that means they every once in a while

753
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,639
they run it on cable or something. Your best bet

754
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:11,760
is find some one of our you know, diehard fans

755
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,119
that have them all on a DVR somewhere and ask

756
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,280
them for it, or that they can share it somehow.

757
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,159
I don't know how that works, but maybe that's the

758
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:18,920
best way to see it.

759
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: And thank you for that.

760
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,559
Speaker 1: That question does come up a lot, so I'm glad

761
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:26,360
it made it to this side of the show.

762
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 6: And so there's the next written question for you, Cliff.

763
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,159
Speaker 2: Okay, this one is from Alex Walton, bow Hey, Cliff, Bobo,

764
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:38,039
and Matt. What's y'all's favorite Sasquatch documentary and or movie?

765
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:38,679
Thank you?

766
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,079
Speaker 3: Hmm.

767
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,519
Speaker 2: I am prone towards Sasquatch Odyssey because it's a deep

768
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,800
dive in an all four of the quote unquote horsemen

769
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,599
and it's a very rare thing to see, like behind

770
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,920
the scenes in that sort of way with these these

771
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,199
guys with their guard down and whatever else. I think

772
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,079
I enjoy that one because of all the horsemen, I

773
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,719
met two out of the four, so I have owned

774
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,039
my own experiences with them. Of course, John Green and

775
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,440
Peter Burn. I would have loved to have met Krantz.

776
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:09,360
I mean, he's a lot of the reason I'm doing

777
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,000
this today, honestly, and de Hinden would have been interesting

778
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:15,280
as well. So that's probably my favorite. Yeah, I can't

779
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,920
think of another one that I enjoyed quite as much

780
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,400
as that one.

781
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:20,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to go. I still I still go

782
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:24,559
with Boggie Creek, Legend of Boggie Creek, especially the four

783
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:28,960
K restored one. But for documentaries, yeah, i'd have to

784
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,000
say what Cliff's saying that that's that's pretty spectacular. But

785
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,000
there's a lot there's a there's been a lot of

786
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,960
good stuff that's come out the last couple of years.

787
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:38,519
There's a lot of there's a lot of stuff coming out,

788
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:41,320
Like there's there's some really good Like I just saw

789
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,400
documentary a couple it was probably a couple months ago

790
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,760
now that I'd never heard of, and I was like, like,

791
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960
learn stuff from it. I was like like, well, this

792
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,920
is really good. I gotta figure out what that was.

793
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,440
But yeah, there's there's some good there's some good stuff

794
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,480
still coming out with It's not like we always talking

795
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,159
about this old stuff, but there's some good stuff too.

796
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Small Town Monsters does a lot of great stuff,

797
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,159
there is good new stuff. But in terms of favorites, man,

798
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,599
it's a toss up for me between the Mysterious Monsters,

799
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:12,239
Bigfoot Man or Beast, and Bigfoot Man Beast, those three

800
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,840
old school classics where you can see a lot of

801
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,480
the old witnesses, And I would throw in that BBC

802
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,480
documentary that's available online now, the very first one from

803
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:24,440
sixty eight with Patterson and John Apier and Ivan Sanderson.

804
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:26,639
Speaker 6: Man, it's just I just love that old stuff.

805
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: That's I know we've talked about before, like the golden

806
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,880
era of Sasquatch media.

807
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:33,079
Speaker 3: I didn't know the name of that one, pure That's

808
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:34,760
why I didn't say that. I didn't mention that one.

809
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,000
That's yeah, that's that BBC one from sixty eight is awesome.

810
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put links to all those in the show notes.

811
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,039
And that BBC one is called Bigfoot America's Abominal Snowman,

812
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,960
and that's a great one. It was so cool when

813
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,440
that finally made it online, because I think it was

814
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,559
twenty twenty one. I remember I was in Colorado when

815
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,960
that came out on the internet, but I've been hearing

816
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,719
about it like forever, but I didn't I hardly knew

817
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,320
anyone who'd ever seen it. So now that it's online,

818
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,440
it's I've probably watched it like five times.

819
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: I love your other choice, man or a beast, Now

820
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,159
screw that man beast.

821
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's two.

822
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 6: You know, there's man or beast and man beasts, so

823
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:10,920
you don't even have to pick and chee.

824
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: It's a false choice. It's a false choice. Man or

825
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,719
beast doesn't matter, yes to both.

826
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 6: Isn't one or both of those of Ron Olson film?

827
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: I think it is, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

828
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: One of them has like s he tifting with John

829
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,039
Green at the Ruby Creek site and that snippet of

830
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:28,639
Albert Ausman. I think that's the Ron Olson one because

831
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,599
I always wondered because the snippet of Albert Ousman is

832
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:33,920
like a minute long, maybe a minute and a half,

833
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,480
and I always thought, man, if all that footage exists

834
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,159
in some archive, that could be digitized if like there's

835
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,920
a full interview with each of those people along with

836
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,280
out takes, like that would be so cool to see,

837
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:45,760
you know.

838
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 3: Would.

839
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:50,199
Speaker 2: I have yet to succeed in getting nailing down Ron

840
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,239
Olson for an interview, although he said he would when

841
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,679
I met him in person, but he is rather elusive

842
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400
as far as his at the museum.

843
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,159
Speaker 3: Oh he came in the museum.

844
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I was, I was homeworking.

845
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:04,079
I was doing books or something, you know, like economic books,

846
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:06,199
not like writing books. But I was at home doing

847
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,599
something on the computer. And then I got a text, Hey,

848
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:11,880
somebody's in the museum named Ron Olson. I went like, what,

849
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,719
holy crap, And so I dropped everything and said, whatever

850
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,599
it takes, do not let him leave, you know. So

851
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,079
and I ran down as soon as I could get there.

852
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:22,719
And I came in and I saw the dude, and

853
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,280
you must be Ron Olsen. He goes, yeah, I'm clip

854
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,719
I owned this place. And he goes, oh, nice to

855
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,880
meet you, boo. I said, I can't believe and I'm

856
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,320
talking to you and I'm so excited, and you know,

857
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,559
I was fanboying a bit, and he goes, why, you know,

858
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,639
I can't believe anybody would want to talk to me,

859
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:37,079
And he said, are you kidding? Are you kidding? You

860
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,199
are so drenched in Bigfoot history and I'd love to

861
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:43,239
speak to you about and his sons were there, and

862
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,880
I said, let me let me buy you lunch, your

863
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,440
sons can come out, let me talk to you, and

864
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,639
he goes, oh, yeah, sure, here's my number. And but

865
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,760
I've had a very difficult time geting nailing him down

866
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,280
and speaking to him for any length of time. So

867
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,199
but I've been sucked trying like he's on this ever

868
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,079
growing list of insanely famous, historically important bigfooters that I'm

869
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:03,960
trying to reach out and nail down for an interview.

870
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:09,760
So stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

871
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,679
and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages.

872
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:21,039
Speaker 1: So I'll save their last voicemail for lascense. Is kind

873
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,639
of a fun off topic question, So here's the final

874
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,039
written submission for you, bobs.

875
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: Carissa h I'm always intrigued by stories of sasquatch in

876
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,360
the suburbs or cities. Have you ever personally found a footprint, handprint,

877
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,320
or other evidence in the populated area. But I'm totally

878
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,280
fascinated by those stories. Tickets you never know which ones

879
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,440
are for real or not. But yeah, I mean that

880
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:46,800
is interesting. And I've never found a footprint thing inside

881
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,519
a city, like a city city or anything like that.

882
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: Now, I bet either some verbs that you've been in

883
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,280
and found some or at least maybe heard some stuff.

884
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,039
Speaker 3: I guess there's no I mean, I know there's people

885
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:00,320
that live like in suburbs that like back up to

886
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,599
like big tracks of forest lands and stuff that I've

887
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:07,000
heard stuff, but I'm so I mean, I was always,

888
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,920
you know, kind of skeptical about the audio reports and

889
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,559
now more than ever skeptical of those. Yeah.

890
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,679
Speaker 1: I just meant like if you had heard something in

891
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,719
any of those areas. I guess it depends on what

892
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,880
we consider to be a suburban area. But I mean, obviously,

893
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,840
like the suburbs, the suburban areas of Seattle, of Portland,

894
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,159
like a lot of those are butted right up against

895
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:30,159
squatch habitat and there's lots of things that happen out there.

896
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,320
So well, we didn't really hear anything in Oklahoma, but

897
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,920
we did follow up on that siding in that Oklahoma

898
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:38,719
episode of Finding Bigfoot that was within the city limits.

899
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 6: Of Oklahoma City and what is to fire?

900
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: What's the you know, I'm gonna look up technical definition

901
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:46,039
of rural versus.

902
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: I just kind of consider that, like in the greater

903
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:53,039
metro area or like touching the greater metro area is

904
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,480
usually considered a suburb of that city, so it's not

905
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:58,960
just a standalone town or village or whatever, but it's

906
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,280
close enough to a city center that that's like, Oh,

907
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:05,599
you live in a suburb of Seattle, Dallas, Portland, you

908
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:06,440
know whatever.

909
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 6: I mean.

910
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,039
Speaker 3: But it appears like you're talking like are you counting

911
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,440
like ten and twenty acre or a lot parcels like

912
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,239
on the edge of town, like suburbs or like what

913
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,079
let's see. I mean, there's are sparsely populated countryside locations

914
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:24,559
with low housing density. I just wondering how Denist has

915
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,000
to be off and featuring farms and the developed lands.

916
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Suburban areas are moderately dense residential or mixed use communities

917
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,440
on the outskirts of cities, offering closer access to retail services. Yeah.

918
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've heard reports from right outside the suburbs.

919
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,599
But and one I know of one housing development that

920
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,519
was built and there were tree breaks happening there that

921
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:49,559
seemed very out of place, accompanied sometimes by vocalizations. So

922
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:53,880
most of the time the Sasquatches just haven't gotten used

923
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,920
to the fact that the people have taken over land

924
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,039
and they keep showing up sometimes like that one muddy

925
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:02,159
footprint across the cul de Sac that we invested in

926
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:06,039
North Carolina. Yeah, yeah, that's a big one. But again

927
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,920
that's pretty rural. So I think that the definition of

928
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,199
suburb versus rural.

929
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:12,679
Speaker 3: It's too I just looked that up as two hundred

930
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,360
and fifty people are fewer per square miles rural.

931
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean I've done some footprint investigations

932
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,559
right outside of Troutdale, which is definitely suburban. But where

933
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,519
I was wasn't suburban. I was on the Sandy River,

934
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,400
which you know, that's the border. Basically I passed that.

935
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,440
It's all rural one hundred percent, so not quite suburban.

936
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,960
But yeah, the suburban parts the hard part because not

937
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:37,760
only you know, we're not going to take a census

938
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,360
and figure that out or anything like that that like

939
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:44,159
population density, but they don't tend to wander down paved streets,

940
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,239
you know. Yeah, And when I think suburbia is where

941
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,119
I grew up in Long Beach, California. You know, Studebaker

942
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:54,280
and Wardload Like, to me, that's suburbia. So maybe maybe

943
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,719
I'm just hung up on that definition.

944
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,119
Speaker 1: But well, hopefully that answers Carisa's question. And so here

945
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:01,679
is your final voicemail.

946
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,679
Speaker 9: Hey it's Bigfoot. Choose Frank from Illinois here again. Yes,

947
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,039
I should have steered my last question about dungeons and

948
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:11,920
dragons more toward Cliff. Sorry about that. So I wanted

949
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,760
to make this question more general for all of you

950
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,440
and less nerdy because it's about the rock group Kiss.

951
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,239
I remember an episode of Finding Bigfoot where Bobo said

952
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,079
that he talked to a witness at a military base,

953
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,599
and the witness didn't fully appreciate when Bobo told him

954
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:31,679
that he was a colonel in the Kiss Army. Anyway,

955
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:35,920
let's say if Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley called and

956
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,360
offered all of you a chance to join the band

957
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:41,559
and be in full costume and makeup for just one gig,

958
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,239
but they did not want you to have the costume

959
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,280
or makeup of a sasquatch. My question is what other

960
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,800
character would each of you pick or would you turn

961
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,039
down the offer. Hopefully I redeem myself with this question.

962
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:58,519
Keep up the great work and keep it squatching.

963
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: I would do the gig mostly to play music and

964
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:08,559
it's funny. If I had to dress up, yeah, I

965
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:10,800
don't know. If I had to dress up, I would

966
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,679
wear a costume of myself, but four inches taller, like

967
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,119
Change Simmons. Yeah, yes, the same thing, right. No, I

968
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:20,199
don't know. I don't know. As far as costumes, that'd

969
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,000
be a hard one. I'd let my wife do my

970
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:25,000
makeup because she's always asking me to to put her

971
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:26,920
crazy makeup and stuff on me. No, not like you know,

972
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,760
lipstick or anything, but you know that her gore makeup

973
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,840
and all that sort of jazz. You know that just

974
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,960
goes a squatch, they said. I think he specifically said

975
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,320
you couldn't. He said, we weren't allowed to be the squatch.

976
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,559
There's always caveats with these hypotheticals amongst our listeners.

977
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,199
Speaker 3: Not goes a squatch.

978
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: Okay, our hypothetical listeners.

979
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,159
Speaker 3: What would be my character? Shoot, I never thought about that.

980
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,639
Speaker 2: What would your instrument be? Let alone character? It'd have

981
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,760
to be tuba, it would have to be but it

982
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,800
spits flames.

983
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly now you got it through it. Now we're

984
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:13,360
talking a fire breathing or a fire exhaling tuba. That'd

985
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,840
be maybe dressed up like a total like nerd, like

986
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,159
a metal nerd.

987
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: I would just have to since the makeup is a

988
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,400
prerequisite and it's got to be black and white. I'm

989
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,079
going to go with my fandom for the Lee family

990
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,880
and pay homage to Bobo's high school alumni, Brandon Lee

991
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,000
and the Crow.

992
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: I'd go as a Let's see, I'd go as a.

993
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,360
I go as a or is there.

994
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 6: Like a D in parentheses in front of it? Since

995
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,599
you're playing a tuba a dork?

996
00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:51,039
Speaker 3: Uh? Now I got rid of the nerd part. It'll

997
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,239
be cool. It'll be a cool tube of playing.

998
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,639
Speaker 2: Or a dork.

999
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 3: Poor Frank.

1000
00:47:58,639 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 6: I'm not a huge Kiss fan.

1001
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a huge Kiss fan either.

1002
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,159
Speaker 3: Honestly, as of the Kiss Army when I was like ten,

1003
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:06,239
I think I quit by the time I was twelve.

1004
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: Disarmed discharge. Oh there you go, great mind sync alike.

1005
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,800
And then that's too.

1006
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: I think it was from a members episode that we

1007
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,920
talked about this. But wasn't that your first concert?

1008
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was as like an eleven year old or whatever.

1009
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,039
It was quite the It made quite an impression. Yeah,

1010
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:29,000
just like blown away. Like there was tons of people

1011
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,039
dressed up like those like you know, dressed up like

1012
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:32,960
kiss arm you guys were all dressed up and stuff.

1013
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,199
It was.

1014
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,639
Speaker 6: It was a trip that's wild.

1015
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,519
Speaker 2: We did give the military discount to somebody who had

1016
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:41,800
an extraordinary amount of kiss regalia on one time at

1017
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,360
the museum.

1018
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: Was it mountainous?

1019
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: No, No, it wasn't. No, he's gone, he's like back,

1020
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,199
he's somewhere in Indiana or something. Yeah, there you go

1021
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:53,239
one of those I states.

1022
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:57,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last place mark like that's that's like the

1023
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,599
most bumber places to lived. It would be like an

1024
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,599
Ice I guess Indiana. There's parts of Indiana that aren't

1025
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:03,039
too bad.

1026
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:06,039
Speaker 2: Oh, Indiana's super squatchy down south.

1027
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, South Indiana that'd be bearable.

1028
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: It is the squatchiest of the Ice States by far.

1029
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

1030
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: You think it's squashier than southern Illinois.

1031
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, definitely heard more reports.

1032
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,119
Speaker 6: I got to go up there.

1033
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,639
Speaker 1: That's not too far from me, southern Indiana, so and

1034
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,079
I have not been squashing there. So maybe that's a

1035
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:27,480
twenty twenty six trip.

1036
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff comes out of there.

1037
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen cast I know long term witnesses there.

1038
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,480
There's a ton of stuff right close to the river. Yeah. Yeah,

1039
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,599
it's really good. And I think we talked about that

1040
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:43,079
on one of the podcasts here is that we kind

1041
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,360
of at least Boboon I agree that it's probably the

1042
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,440
least like the most underrated Bigfoot state is Indiana.

1043
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that for a long, long while, I was

1044
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,039
surprised to you when I kept getting those reports, like

1045
00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:58,760
when the show started, like I just heard so much

1046
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,639
from Indiana. It's like I still get stuff from Indiana.

1047
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: Yes, mostly southern. There's some stuff in central as well.

1048
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,760
But the morgam and Roe State Forest has a lot

1049
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,639
of earth National for I think a state for US

1050
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:10,920
I don't remember, but morgam and Row I remember that part.

1051
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:14,239
But southern Indiana. It is where it's at. Man, the

1052
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,280
closer to the river the better.

1053
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: It's really Yeah, right right on the rear.

1054
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.

1055
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 6: Fairly close to me. So I'm going to make a

1056
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,920
trip up there this year.

1057
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely worth a look around.

1058
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:26,519
Speaker 3: So I guess that's it. Nothing else, Matt.

1059
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: That is the last of the submissions for the March

1060
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:32,320
twenty sixth Q and A episode. But we do have

1061
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,320
plenty from the pigeons, and we have stuff to catch

1062
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,239
up on because I've been in the field, Cliffman in

1063
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,840
the field investigating reports. Bobo has been active. So shall

1064
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,239
we roll over to that side?

1065
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, so roll over there, all right, folks. Thanks for

1066
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,280
joining us here on Big Fitting Beyond hit like hit Share.

1067
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,039
We appreciate you, guys, and thanks for tuning in until

1068
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:56,119
next week, y'all. Keep it squatchy.

1069
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot NBA.

1070
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:02,920
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1071
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,320
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1072
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,519
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1073
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1074
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:16,880
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1075
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,280
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1076
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