Speaker 1: Well, one of these weeks, I'm gonna get caught looking
Speaker 1: like a dummy here in the background, John, because I, like,
Speaker 1: you know, start the video and now I'm like in
Speaker 1: the background, like you know, trying to retweet and post
Speaker 1: and do whatever, and then I still don't know that
Speaker 1: dang intro music, so I keep how like I knew
Speaker 1: the old one, so I knew exactly, Like how long
Speaker 1: do I have to switch over? But anyway, here we
Speaker 1: are welcome John Lost to talk about today UFL Week nine.
Speaker 1: How are you, sir, good man?
Speaker 2: It's like we you know, we had a couple of
Speaker 2: good games here this past week, even though they don't
Speaker 2: really count for much. I mean, I guess they count
Speaker 2: for the final record as we will see in week ten.
Speaker 2: A lot of news going out on out there or maybe.
Speaker 1: News maybe news, yet lots to talk about today UFL
Speaker 1: will talk through the games over the weekend. We have
Speaker 1: the Delay game, the ESPN three O Show, plus we
Speaker 1: can talk through all that stuff we have, like trademark
Speaker 1: news here. Mark Perry with UFL News, have lots of
Speaker 1: thoughts here I have on that I tweeted out my
Speaker 1: findings on that involved with new trademarks and potential expansion
Speaker 1: or relocation. We will talk through all of that today
Speaker 1: and then that we have Mike Mitchell's Friday TV Reports,
Speaker 1: we have attendance ratings and everything else. We'll look ahead
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. How does that all sound there?
Speaker 2: John sounds good man. I'm ready for the return of
Speaker 2: the Oakland Invaders. I hear it's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll probably lead off with that here. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that in Brabar. Another great show inbound, Denzel checking
Speaker 1: here co Co do you well, Scott rejoining here, you know,
Speaker 1: becoming a member of it. That's fair. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: kind of rejoined the podcast off and on too, So
Speaker 1: if you need to step off and step back on
Speaker 1: the podcast, I get that. Yeah. And a duel here,
Speaker 1: Mark Perry very popular over the weekend. Yes, I guess
Speaker 1: we can talk through that first and foremost. I'll put
Speaker 1: that up and we got I have the Pro Football
Speaker 1: News Room. We'll talk through the Michigan and kind of
Speaker 1: all that stuff as well. But this kind of shocked
Speaker 1: me going into the I guess this was Saturday, right.
Speaker 1: It came out and Mark had this article or exclusive
Speaker 1: exclusive because the trademark data publicly searched online trademark databases
Speaker 1: and that's a private information exclusive UFL trademark filing, significant signal,
Speaker 1: potential expansion with four historic UFL franchises, And so Mark
Speaker 1: Perry and we go through all this, but he has
Speaker 1: a whole article up and you can check out. You
Speaker 1: can see I've even perused this myself here talking through
Speaker 1: but notably Mark Perry, through his research at the Oakland Invaders,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Stars, New Jersey Generals in Tampa Bay Bandits Marc
Speaker 1: has noted recent trademark filing updates to all of those.
Speaker 1: I have my thoughts on all of that stuff, but
Speaker 1: this got a lot of people talking. Right We're getting
Speaker 1: near the end of the season, John, and we've been
Speaker 1: talking are we getting new cities? Are we getting an expansion?
Speaker 1: All this stuff? We've announced season ticket renewals, is something
Speaker 1: coming at the at the championship game? Kind of everything else?
Speaker 1: What did you make of this? Because this, uh, as
Speaker 1: much as spring football news on the Saturday over Memorial
Speaker 1: that wee can can make waves, this did make waves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it did. Uh. You know the first thing I
Speaker 2: thought was, oh, you know, maybe maybe they are going
Speaker 2: to move toward this or that they're they're gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: put these in their back pocket in case you know,
Speaker 2: Houston or Michigan, or are not Michigan but Houston or
Speaker 2: Memphis need to relocate. And then those are your two
Speaker 2: expansion teams. Those. That was the first thing went my mind.
Speaker 2: But then I thought, we've seen this play out before,
Speaker 2: uh several times. You know, one of the companies that's
Speaker 2: involved here had re upped on some of these trademarks.
Speaker 2: Then I started thinking, well, some of you out there
Speaker 2: might have checked out the UFL dot com. There's a
Speaker 2: place there on the shop called the Vault, And I thought,
Speaker 2: are they is this gonna be a merchandise play now,
Speaker 2: are they like really gonna lean into We're gonna own
Speaker 2: We're gonna own these trademarks and start selling merchandise because
Speaker 2: there's some like there's actually some real stuff on there
Speaker 2: on the vault, like game you stuff from the two
Speaker 2: thousand and one XFL There's all kinds of things. So I,
Speaker 2: you know, my mind went to one hundred different directions
Speaker 2: and then you know, this little bomb here drops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we've been trying I'm just I'm trying
Speaker 1: to pull up the vault here as we're talking about
Speaker 1: this just so yes, and so you can you can
Speaker 1: kind of see all this and this used to be housed.
Speaker 1: Even there was like another site I kind of had
Speaker 1: my eyes on for a while by in or maybe
Speaker 1: it was like the XFL twenty twenty three stuff. There
Speaker 1: was a site for a while that was holding not
Speaker 1: on eBay and it was kind of holding some of this.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting yet, so there uh conceivably, right, if
Speaker 1: the UFL is going to exist for let's say in
Speaker 1: another next five ten years, you want to be able
Speaker 1: to sell all this stuff. And we've John as a
Speaker 1: Commander's redskins Washington fan, I know well aware and the
Speaker 1: debates right now about preserving historical and use and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So is that where your mind went originally
Speaker 1: or did it go to New cities and all that.
Speaker 2: No, I mean the first thing I thought was there's
Speaker 2: a reason that they're doing this, and maybe it is.
Speaker 2: You know, they're gonna relocate it. It makes the math
Speaker 2: makes sense if you if you think about their plan.
Speaker 2: There's talk of relocating two teams maybe you know, maybe Houston, Memphis,
Speaker 2: some people say even Birmingham, and then you know, adding
Speaker 2: to so it's like, Okay, you know, maybe this is
Speaker 2: just these are placeholders for them to do this, and
Speaker 2: they've obviously done the research and they've tried this before.
Speaker 2: And as Mark Perry pointed out, these were things that
Speaker 2: were kate. He talked about it about like the case
Speaker 2: or the trademarks were suspended, but then they re upped.
Speaker 2: You know more about this than I do. But then
Speaker 2: but that this was like they wanted to get this done.
Speaker 2: So to me, something was going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a long and I used to honestly
Speaker 1: when I saw this Saturday, we were we had something
Speaker 1: going on. And I ended up catching up a lot
Speaker 1: of the games on Saturday afternoon and then Sunday with
Speaker 1: the kind of the delay, and we can talk through
Speaker 1: all that. With the Indye card, I bet that the
Speaker 1: I wish that was out today, and that Sunday ABC game,
Speaker 1: I wish that. I was just thinking about that because
Speaker 1: I thought that would have been live today with the holiday.
Speaker 1: I think that will be quote the highest spring football
Speaker 1: game watched in the last whatever, if they can get
Speaker 1: that over run timed out right. But anyway, I saw
Speaker 1: the article come out and I thought, well, that's cute,
Speaker 1: like and not being dismissive. I used to kind of
Speaker 1: really look at all that stuff too when I was
Speaker 1: doing the podcast every week, and you know, we'd have
Speaker 1: to fill hour and a half two hours. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who the hell am I going to talk to? Okay, like,
Speaker 1: looks like they made an update on the Canton Gold Okay,
Speaker 1: let's call Paul Reaves and come on. So I was
Speaker 1: just kind of looking at it for all that and anyway,
Speaker 1: and I finally get down today and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: we need to talk about this today on the show
Speaker 1: and all kind of all this stuff I want to
Speaker 1: get to also this whole like are we expanding this year?
Speaker 1: But in terms of Mark's story, and I haven't heard
Speaker 1: back from him, I posted and tagged him and all that.
Speaker 1: So I did my research today. I went on because
Speaker 1: Mark did all the stuff and looked at all the
Speaker 1: and I have all the browsers saved and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. But if you go on, you can look
Speaker 1: for all of these new trademarks for the New Jersey Generals,
Speaker 1: for the Oakland Invaders, for the Philadelphia Stars and the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Bandits, and when you filter out, because all
Speaker 1: of these trademarks have been owned like off and on
Speaker 1: throughout the years. Brian Woods picked up a lot of
Speaker 1: these back throughout his Spring League things, and we would
Speaker 1: kind of remember the Generals were kind of with the
Speaker 1: Spring League and we kind of had other things and
Speaker 1: we were talking about all that stuff. Fox brings in
Speaker 1: Brian Woods. They get control of all of that stuff,
Speaker 1: So I don't That's when I kind of gave up
Speaker 1: the like searching the minutia day in of day out.
Speaker 1: But when I go on today, this is what I saw.
Speaker 1: So I did the research. They usually looking at the trademarks.
Speaker 1: The work that I saw that was done on May
Speaker 1: six for all four of these, and I have the
Speaker 1: screenshots of the three and then the ones showing what
Speaker 1: they did. Two classes were filed each by USFL enterprises.
Speaker 1: There's kind of a mishmash of holding groups and that
Speaker 1: might be part of it as well, because the XFL
Speaker 1: owns some of this stuff and then the USFL and
Speaker 1: they've kind of rebranded. They were the MSFL and then
Speaker 1: they were the UFL. Now anyway, two amounts, you know,
Speaker 1: you can see seven hundred dollars year paid for two
Speaker 1: classes for the Generals. Seven hundred paid for the bandits
Speaker 1: for the Invaders, and then the other team, the Stars,
Speaker 1: is there as well, and they were adding international classes
Speaker 1: for notably board games and stickers bumper stickers, mostly related
Speaker 1: to football. That is what I saw on that So
Speaker 1: do I view that on Tuesday, May twenty seventh, that
Speaker 1: one of those four franchises is likely to return it.
Speaker 1: I don't feel any more or less because of any
Speaker 1: of these trademark violins. Do you feel different now or
Speaker 1: any questions on any of my homework?
Speaker 2: No? No, because remember there was the trademark what was
Speaker 2: the Nashville team, I can't remember what it was called.
Speaker 2: There was that, there was the Aviators, there was I mean,
Speaker 2: there was the Canton or there was Bulldogs. I can't
Speaker 2: remember if it was Canton Bulldogs or not. But I
Speaker 2: always thought the NFL owned that trademark. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but no, I mean I think I'm I'm with you,
Speaker 2: and it's Someone in the chat also pointed out too,
Speaker 2: it's like it's a kill switch. I mean, it makes sense.
Speaker 2: It's like I was, I was trying to articulate that, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's this is this might be something. We're going to
Speaker 2: keep these in our back pockets just so we own
Speaker 2: these franchises, we own these names, and you know, maybe
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity where we might are a situation where
Speaker 2: we have to break them out. I hope that's not
Speaker 2: the case, because you don't want to be that. You know,
Speaker 2: we've got to we're gonna break this out in you know,
Speaker 2: in case of emergency, and you've got like you know, Oakland.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can you can do that in
Speaker 2: a place that. I mean, if you're going to move
Speaker 2: these franchises or open new franchises, you have to go
Speaker 2: into the markets that want them, and you got to
Speaker 2: really do a lot of forethought. And I would hope
Speaker 2: the UFL, you know, has done that. Maybe maybe we're
Speaker 2: reading too much into this too.
Speaker 1: Well and what what what? What kills me about all this?
Speaker 1: And so and you can search on and do all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And yeah, they own and John and I
Speaker 1: think have even done this on the Weekly Show. But
Speaker 1: we've done this over the summer and looked and I
Speaker 1: mean they own a combination of so many different ones
Speaker 1: and and when you look here at the thing, you
Speaker 1: know where it's uh and I've lost my I'm in
Speaker 1: the vault here, you know where it's like the seven
Speaker 1: hundred dollars for the two Like, I don't that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean like Apple owns billions and billions and billions of
Speaker 1: all these you know, trademarks and patents and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh to me, like even just the greater kind of
Speaker 1: thought about this. And I think Mike was saying in
Speaker 1: the chat Danny was on talking about all their ips
Speaker 1: or something that I didn't see that, but you know
Speaker 1: they brag about all this. It goes back to my
Speaker 1: problem from the beginning with all of this when they
Speaker 1: asked Darryll back with the USFL like, why did you
Speaker 1: pick these eight markets? And he goes, well, these are
Speaker 1: the trademarks we owned, we wanted to use them. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a terrible That's a terrible way to
Speaker 1: decide where to play the football team. So yeah, Like
Speaker 1: because the now, I think the only one that could
Speaker 1: potentially work would be the Generals and you would just
Speaker 1: get the pop out of that because of Trump and
Speaker 1: the President. I I could imagine all that, John, don't
Speaker 1: I just don't need that in my football life. I
Speaker 1: don't need Trump involved in the.
Speaker 2: More red merchandise. You could totally get there.
Speaker 1: More red, but but you know, like some of the
Speaker 1: I don't think the Stars, I think like whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever pop you got on, Like the activations of these franchises.
Speaker 1: I think we got back in twenty two and they
Speaker 1: told the botched that right because the lawsuit, we couldn't
Speaker 1: promote everything. Then they got that cleared away, and now
Speaker 1: we have a we never got that right, we never
Speaker 1: got the like now it's the USFL is back. It's
Speaker 1: all together and I don't image and there's like a
Speaker 1: contingent in Philadelphia that's like waiting for the Stars activation
Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty five, like, oh, we've been holding
Speaker 1: on you know, you're.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh they're coming back. And yeah, although they kind
Speaker 2: of had them but kind of didn't, you know, also
Speaker 2: kind of cross. I mean, this is all speculation, of course,
Speaker 2: because that's what we do, but you know, part of
Speaker 2: it could be. I also wonder too if there might
Speaker 2: have been some other entities out there that wanted to
Speaker 2: use those trademarks, because we know that a lot of
Speaker 2: the USFL, a lot of the copyrights and trademarks, you know,
Speaker 2: lapsed when the league folded. That's why if you watch
Speaker 2: a lot of movies in the eighties, and nineties and
Speaker 2: someone's watching a football game, it's always a USFL game
Speaker 2: because they all those copyrights just disappeared. But you know,
Speaker 2: I do wonder if there's some of that, because I
Speaker 2: believe there's an indoor football team in San Antonio that
Speaker 2: caused himself, the Gunslingers, So so I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was Maybe they're trying to protect those for another
Speaker 2: reason too, But you know, I mean we could speculate
Speaker 2: about one hundred different situations that they were using for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick, So I just search here, here's a
Speaker 1: USFL owner. I mean, this is all that you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't even this is two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty two. And then if you look here, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if anything you know, and then
Speaker 1: they're still transferring stuff over. So I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: not anyway, uh to the thought of the expansion. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's just when you talk about the rights being I
Speaker 1: still always love that movie The Seventh Day with Arnold Schwarzenegger,
Speaker 1: where you know, it's this it's this futuristic sci fi
Speaker 1: world where the XFL is the is the premier football
Speaker 1: league and they're getting paid like five hundreds and they
Speaker 1: and the quarterback dies and they have to clone them
Speaker 1: because there's so much money in the I mean, this
Speaker 1: isn't the first If you want to go the look
Speaker 1: up the Seventh Day. First five minutes in the movie,
Speaker 1: the guy breaks his neck and they're like, well, we
Speaker 1: got to clone and we just signed them to this
Speaker 1: real wow, I really know that. But so because of
Speaker 1: this and because of the expansion, and because we are
Speaker 1: at week nine and we have articles like Mike Florio
Speaker 1: here talking about you know, with two thousand fans and
Speaker 1: you know, obviously crediting Mike Mitchell. We appreciate that, Mike
Speaker 1: Fourrio and all that, there seems to be a lot
Speaker 1: of talk right now, what do you think, I mean,
Speaker 1: is this just because we're at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: because we're kind of we we have two seasons worth
Speaker 1: kind of a data over this, Like what what do
Speaker 1: you make of all this conversation?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's there are a lot of I
Speaker 2: will say, Mike Florio before has treated the UFL and
Speaker 2: has covered it seriously, you know, positively and negatively. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I never did see anything that was super unfair,
Speaker 2: but that's true. But I think Yeah, I think there's
Speaker 2: a lot of speculation because I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of talk about what's going on, and maybe this has
Speaker 2: gotten a little more attention here toward the end as
Speaker 2: they kind of ramp up going toward the playoffs. You know,
Speaker 2: in certain circles. I'm not saying nationally, I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the case it uh, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, it's a football site, and
Speaker 2: it's we're in a click based economy now and journalism
Speaker 2: is very much, you know, different than it than it
Speaker 2: was in the past when we practiced it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I practice of journalistic standards. I already got
Speaker 1: yelled at once here. That's last month for talking about it.
Speaker 1: I do like this comment from Darren here real quick,
Speaker 1: and I have some advance in Houston Memphis figured out
Speaker 1: that the season ticket presale is a test to measure
Speaker 1: fan interests. Are the clueless thinking about the guaranteed I
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, we haven't even talked that much
Speaker 1: about that, but I love that that. It's like, let's
Speaker 1: see you, let's see how many people are wanting to
Speaker 1: come back on that. I will say when you have
Speaker 1: articles like this here with mister Florio and all who's
Speaker 1: actually really nice. I mean, he always responds all my emails.
Speaker 1: I have no I don't think Mark Perry likes Mark Florio,
Speaker 1: if that makes it feel any better or not. But
Speaker 1: like articles like that, and then when you hear about
Speaker 1: expansion or relocation, it doesn't feel like the UFL is
Speaker 1: coming from a position of strength, right you Then I
Speaker 1: would feel like, oh, we're we're expanding a relocating, right
Speaker 1: because we need more fans or more money or whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's to me it's hard to do both like
Speaker 1: that and feel like you're expanding a relocating except just
Speaker 1: to kind of scurry to find more fans wherever they are, right.
Speaker 2: And you know, Mike Florio is he's old like the
Speaker 2: rest of us, and he remembers how many of these
Speaker 2: spring leagues. You know, I was talking to somebody today.
Speaker 2: I had released a video and we were talking about
Speaker 2: Memphis kind of in the comments there, and it's like,
Speaker 2: it's amazing how many flirtations with pro football that Memphis
Speaker 2: has and the bottom line is they've been burnt by
Speaker 2: every one of them. So a lot of us remember
Speaker 2: all these spring leagues that have come and go and frankly,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we've seen a few just in
Speaker 2: the last you know, five years, six years. I remember
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and one, and I think it
Speaker 2: was the third week of the season, there was an
Speaker 2: article on ESPN dot com, you know, back when you
Speaker 2: had to wind up your computer to get it. That
Speaker 2: was the XFL people were publicly talking about going to Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. And some other places to look at potential
Speaker 2: expansion cities. So I think, you know, Mike Florio again
Speaker 2: to my point, is like he's you know, old like us,
Speaker 2: and he just remembers we've heard that, we've seen this
Speaker 2: movie before and it ends the same way. And there
Speaker 2: are some people that have said that they think Memphis
Speaker 2: is not going to go anywhere because of the FedEx
Speaker 2: and Fred's you know, Smith connection. I'm just not seeing
Speaker 2: that because unless they start to sell these franchises and
Speaker 2: Fred Smith and Tom Brady and whoever else and these
Speaker 2: up you know, John Gruden and whoever else they want
Speaker 2: to bring into this. Unless they these guys actually do this,
Speaker 2: there's gonna have to be some change. And there are
Speaker 2: a lot of people who say that, you know, they
Speaker 2: think change it would hurt the league. I don't know
Speaker 2: that you can have two thousand people show up for
Speaker 2: a game and say we've got we can't you know,
Speaker 2: we'll leave that alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even it does. It does feel like even
Speaker 1: Mark and from looking at his Twitter today to get
Speaker 1: the article so I could read the article to talk
Speaker 1: about all that stuff, he was even like, it feels
Speaker 1: like everyone's kind of over Memphis on this. But I
Speaker 1: just I don't know, and I want to because I
Speaker 1: want to make sure we talk about this Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and the owners and all that. But to your point,
Speaker 1: when we're talking through the sale and all of this,
Speaker 1: when you're looking here, you know, Houston, Burning Hill, like what,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what you're And I've said
Speaker 1: this before, I don't know what you're buying. And not
Speaker 1: to harp on all this stuff, but we're having this
Speaker 1: conversation right now. I don't know if fred Smith or
Speaker 1: Jack Smith or Debbie Smith or anyone wants two thousand people,
Speaker 1: and I don't You're not buying anything at that point,
Speaker 1: unless unless you're able to say, well, shoot, I get
Speaker 1: ten percent of all the Memphis show boats gear that
Speaker 1: we're selling in the vault. But even that, like do
Speaker 1: I caring, like I don't know. I watched Ark Tank
Speaker 1: a lot, like where am I getting my money back?
Speaker 2: John?
Speaker 1: Like, I'm by the show? Where am I getting it back?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Well, you're right, like you know what are what are
Speaker 2: you buying? If you were an owner? And yes, Abdul,
Speaker 2: I did see your comment about parking, because it would
Speaker 2: have been amazing parking I would have gotten in Memphis
Speaker 2: for two thousand people, which there's no way there was
Speaker 2: two thousand people there. I don't want to pick on Memphis,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that when you start to see
Speaker 2: this in the community, why would you say, first of all,
Speaker 2: what am I buying? And also are people in my
Speaker 2: community going to show up just because I'm the owner.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that's going to be the case.
Speaker 2: I don't know unless there are owners out there who
Speaker 2: think or potential owners who think I'm the guy who
Speaker 2: can turn this around. And I hope there are I
Speaker 2: hope there are eight out there. I hope there are
Speaker 2: ten out there. But I don't know when you start
Speaker 2: to see these and if they get the actual attendance numbers,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we know that it's not going
Speaker 2: to be what those are so they got to open
Speaker 2: the books. I would love to see the open books
Speaker 2: on the entire league and some of these teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talking about this like you know, if someone
Speaker 1: can sit there and think like, well can I do better?
Speaker 1: To me, it's hard when you to be an owner
Speaker 1: of video these and you look and you go Jesus
Speaker 1: like You've got Fox and ESPN and Red Bird and
Speaker 1: Danny Garcia and the Rock and the FedEx guy and
Speaker 1: all the every TV. I'm like, you still can't, like,
Speaker 1: what the hell am I going to do? I mean
Speaker 1: that's almost like when I would look at it, like,
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't know what and not to
Speaker 1: say it's not in the possibility. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that when when ownership, I don't think understands how to
Speaker 1: sell their league versus besides, just like this is just
Speaker 1: more of what you watch in the fall. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I was even getting into that, I think over
Speaker 1: the weekend with just like you know, sequel Itis and
Speaker 1: all these reboots and kind of everything, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: here we just put it on, like people watch it.
Speaker 1: It's like, well they actually need to, you know, you
Speaker 1: need to give people a reason to want to. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. It was the whole Emory hunting
Speaker 1: this morning, That's what it was. And it was where
Speaker 1: he was like, and I love Emory, but he's like,
Speaker 1: you don't love football unless you watch every pro league
Speaker 1: like I do. And you're like, that's not a selling
Speaker 1: point to the UFL. Is this is for the hardcores
Speaker 1: of No, this should be like, hey, mom, Sue Johnson,
Speaker 1: you watch football every day every day during college.
Speaker 2: And the NFL.
Speaker 1: Why doesn't my mom watch the UFL?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that is why they need to decide.
Speaker 2: There is a hardcore group of fans that are watching
Speaker 2: the UFL. I mean, and they're also probably watching this
Speaker 2: podcast right now or we'll watch it later. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, right, because we're so negative about everything, I
Speaker 2: understand that, but I mean, but seriously, there is good play,
Speaker 2: there are good stories, there are things to sell with
Speaker 2: this league. But you're right, it's like you have to
Speaker 2: get out of the you know, you have to get
Speaker 2: out of the hardcore sickos like us, and yeah, we
Speaker 2: need to get your mom to watch, We need to
Speaker 2: get all these other people to watch, because there are
Speaker 2: people and I've said this before, and it continues to happen.
Speaker 2: There are people that I know because I worked in
Speaker 2: sports television for thirty years and I have a lot
Speaker 2: of friends, and they always, of course make fun of
Speaker 2: me for watching as they you know, say like bootleg
Speaker 2: football or whatever, and I'm like, no, it's this is
Speaker 2: this is real football. You should you should watch it.
Speaker 2: They still don't know the names of the name of
Speaker 2: the league. And and these are people who work in
Speaker 2: sports broadcasting. So I mean that's just telling you, like
Speaker 2: they there needs to be something to start, you know,
Speaker 2: spreading the word a little bit more somehow. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've talked about this over and over, but you but
Speaker 2: you're right to the point of ownership. If you're an owner,
Speaker 2: what are you buying right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So, and I wanted to do We'll do a
Speaker 1: few momnutes on this because I want to touch on
Speaker 1: the time Brady. We'll do the games and the promise.
Speaker 1: We'll promise all this stuff. This is not just stick around.
Speaker 1: We'll do all that stuff I did. Oh, I do
Speaker 1: it here has The problem is we haven't seen true evaluation.
Speaker 1: Someone hasn't done I will say, when Ben Fisher was
Speaker 1: on like two years ago when he like cracked his
Speaker 1: head up and he had a bandage on. I think
Speaker 1: he did. We kind of talked to the MLS evaluation
Speaker 1: on that. So if you want to go back in
Speaker 1: deep dive Ben Fisher. But this was what made me
Speaker 1: laugh get all over luck in the Banana guys on
Speaker 1: it John. They're selling seventy thousand people to go watch
Speaker 1: like in Raymond James Stadium where they played football for
Speaker 1: the you know, the XFL played there, right, they're back
Speaker 1: and then the twenty twenty, right, they couldn't get They
Speaker 1: had seventy thousand people there, and I'm sorry, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I know the Savannah Bananas, but they're like
Speaker 1: a Harlem globe charge. I mean, the games don't really matter,
Speaker 1: It's my point. No, No, they're playing and it's fine
Speaker 1: and it's good to do, but the games don't really
Speaker 1: matter even and like they're still getting seventy thousand.
Speaker 2: They they played here at our minor league stadium here
Speaker 2: in Louisville, and I mean the tickets were going. People
Speaker 2: were standing in line to get tickets. I mean, but
Speaker 2: I mean the day they opened the box office, not
Speaker 2: the day of the game. So yeah, I mean you're right,
Speaker 2: and Oliver Luck, I mean, I don't you talk to
Speaker 2: and I don't know would. I just wonder if he
Speaker 2: would ever want to get involved with spring football after,
Speaker 2: you know, such the bad experience that he had, and
Speaker 2: I thought that he was I thought he was a
Speaker 2: great commissioner for the short time he was. He was
Speaker 2: the commissioner of the XFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if anyone wants to go back a great interview,
Speaker 1: we did well at the end of last year after
Speaker 1: the UFL you know, season one wrapped and talking with
Speaker 1: Oliver Lack a courtesy of Sam Schwartztein. And then I
Speaker 1: would just say, I think Oliver's advice would be like,
Speaker 1: this is really hard, and I think it's harder than
Speaker 1: anyone that's involved right now probably get or maybe they
Speaker 1: know now, but I think, you know, like this is
Speaker 1: so much harder than I think anyone getting into the
Speaker 1: space realizes. I wanted to get your thoughts. One of
Speaker 1: the things Mark had in the article was talking about
Speaker 1: this potential of a Tom Brady Tampa Bay thing. To me,
Speaker 1: I've lived and I still don't understand how he owns
Speaker 1: whatever percentage of the Raiders and how he's being able
Speaker 1: to do Fox and go to the combat. I don't
Speaker 1: understand how all of that works. I don't I can
Speaker 1: in my life imagine that. He then also is like, well,
Speaker 1: I need to own the Tampa Bay UFL franchise. I
Speaker 1: don't believe that at all, But what do you curious
Speaker 1: your thoughts?
Speaker 2: All right, let's say, let's just let's suppose this is
Speaker 2: this is true. Why would this be true? Well, Fox
Speaker 2: is paying Tom Brady like, I mean, hundreds of millions
Speaker 2: of dollars to do you know, I think it's so
Speaker 2: as that dual point out, we don't know what the
Speaker 2: valuations on these teams are. But he works for Fox.
Speaker 2: He's worked with the very upper levels of Fox, with
Speaker 2: Eric Shanks and and and and above. You know, probably
Speaker 2: had lunch with Rupert Murdock a couple of times. So
Speaker 2: if if there was something to this, I can see
Speaker 2: where Fox says, Hey, listen, were we need to franchise
Speaker 2: these teams? This is our plan? You know? Would you
Speaker 2: do this, you know, as a friend to Fox like
Speaker 2: and it would certainly give you immediate name recognition if
Speaker 2: Tom Brady is out there talking about the ufl uh
Speaker 2: in addition to everything else that he does. But if
Speaker 2: he was talking about the UFL. There's no question that's
Speaker 2: a boost. And there's no question that your mom knows
Speaker 2: who Tom Brady is. And when that happens, then that's
Speaker 2: when you start to get some juice on. As someone
Speaker 2: pointed out that they've Philip pointed out, it's like you
Speaker 2: hear this is fake football. Well, when you get real
Speaker 2: people involved that you know, have name recognition there, you know,
Speaker 2: when you that, then the people like Tom Brady could
Speaker 2: make that work. I mean, I would love to see it.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see it.
Speaker 1: I have my hand on when you're ready to call
Speaker 1: him read we have that right now. With the Rock,
Speaker 1: you have the biggest person in the world. And it
Speaker 1: hasn't made a difference.
Speaker 2: Okay, but as someone someone held a sign up at
Speaker 2: the Saint Louis game when I was there and it
Speaker 2: said I think it said like fifteen home games and
Speaker 2: we still can't smell what the Rock is cooking and
Speaker 2: so what and that guy's been m I A although
Speaker 2: I did see that he did say something about the
Speaker 2: UFL recently. But but yeah, it's like that's the guy
Speaker 2: you but he's got to be out in front and center,
Speaker 2: you know, so Yeah, it's fine when he's a trophy presentation,
Speaker 2: but season's over by that time.
Speaker 1: Or the kickoff the Rock both hit something over the weekend.
Speaker 1: I think of it as about Memorial Day, but it
Speaker 1: was something about like for someone that uses social media
Speaker 1: as much as The Rock, like it does kill me.
Speaker 1: Like he'll post these videos like him and it'll just
Speaker 1: be like fifteen minutes long, and you're like, who is watching,
Speaker 1: Like you know, like I'll watch you got me for
Speaker 1: about sixty seconds, right, I'll watch and I'll watch them whatever.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, he just sits here and talk. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he was talking to one percent. I think it was
Speaker 1: like the Memorial Day and you know the people, but
Speaker 1: I know Dwayne is fifty four percent. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's the number that we that we need to pay
Speaker 1: attention to. It's not it's that one percent is way
Speaker 1: more important that that's fifty four percent. That's what you
Speaker 1: need to be talking about.
Speaker 2: Someone brought up a good point there. The Rock in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five is not the same as The Rock
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, but he's still got plenty of star powers,
Speaker 2: not not you know, like he had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just last comment on that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just to me unless it's a favor by Fox
Speaker 1: and they're, like you said, they're saying Tommy, like we
Speaker 1: need to do this. I just it's been such a
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I think it's finally improved now,
Speaker 1: but that thing's taken like three I just I don't
Speaker 1: see any why would I even waste a second of
Speaker 1: Like if I'm Tom Brady, why would I waste a
Speaker 1: second of my life on the UFL.
Speaker 2: Well, and he might not. I mean he might. He
Speaker 2: could say he can be an owner. I mean we're
Speaker 2: getting really deep in speculation, but he can be an
Speaker 2: owner and just say okay. It's it's like a lot
Speaker 2: of NFL owners some of them should be more like
Speaker 2: this where they just say, yes, I own the team,
Speaker 2: I'm hiring football people to take care of this. I'm
Speaker 2: the bank roll. So you guys go do your job
Speaker 2: and do it well and then we'll evaluate after the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just it's it's been interesting to me just
Speaker 1: kind of the video work I've done the last maybe
Speaker 1: year now, just dealing with a lot of these like
Speaker 1: CEOs that they're like managing a lot of it, you know,
Speaker 1: and this is like the Rock, right, I mean the
Speaker 1: Rock or whoever, Tom Brady or Danny Garcia. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: the CEO of their life, right, And I gotta tell this,
Speaker 1: but you know, I get in this position. I got
Speaker 1: to be ready to go the second they sit down.
Speaker 1: It's like when the Rocks do and you see these
Speaker 1: clips and the Rocks doing, you know, they're set up.
Speaker 1: It's he's not like sitting there deciding like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to talk about the UFL. Like he has his
Speaker 1: books and they build his time and I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like he's sitting around like it's you know,
Speaker 1: they had something set up for him to come talk
Speaker 1: about it or whatever, and he shows and then they
Speaker 1: leave and they move on. They don't they're not sitting
Speaker 1: there any of this stuff.
Speaker 2: So right, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's all very you know,
Speaker 2: book as you said, booked and rehearse. There's no question.
Speaker 1: Anything else on that, anything else, trademark, anything else with that.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the games. We did attendance. Oh, Mike
Speaker 1: has the five hundred and forty thousand for the Friday night?
Speaker 1: Does that do anything for you?
Speaker 2: I mean it was a Friday night you know, before
Speaker 2: Memorial Day. Still again, when you're getting into the five
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars five hundred the five hundred thousand viewer
Speaker 2: range on a network show, I don't, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I see some questions. They are nice and not bad,
Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't that to me on a
Speaker 2: network if it was on you know, ESPN on a
Speaker 2: Friday night before Memorial Day or FS one, I'd say,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean that makes sense. But when
Speaker 2: that's on Fox, and this is and to me, we
Speaker 2: and we talked about it last week. Next year, assuming
Speaker 2: that UFL on Fox Friday night is a thing they've
Speaker 2: got to They gotta do flexing. They got they gotta flex,
Speaker 2: and you know, give the fans two weeks, say two
Speaker 2: weeks out, we can tell you that we're gonna flex
Speaker 2: this game. It's gonna be. It's not it's not gonna
Speaker 2: be Saturday afternoon. It's gonna be Friday night. Because you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't keep doing this. This isn't sustainable. You can
Speaker 2: show reruns of I don't know whatever's on Fox Family Guy.
Speaker 2: That's only show I know on Fox. You can you
Speaker 2: could show that and get five hundred and forty thousand
Speaker 2: people on Friday night.
Speaker 1: Well that was his rug we made it was it
Speaker 1: on Saturday when they had the rain delay for the
Speaker 1: Memphis And that's obviously why they attendance was so pointed
Speaker 1: because the rain delay and all that, and well it
Speaker 1: was that normally six. I mean, I know we should
Speaker 1: have probably prefaced that, but like, okay, the rain delay
Speaker 1: and that was all because of that. But uh, I'm
Speaker 1: like they probably because they said, like, we're not going
Speaker 1: to let fans in until we decide what time the
Speaker 1: game is. I'm like, I'm sure they don't want to
Speaker 1: deal with getting those people out of there, Like God,
Speaker 1: we gotta let it in the five hundred people and
Speaker 1: track and like let's just wait, Let's just wait till
Speaker 1: we kind of figure I will say that. And I
Speaker 1: know I brought this up before, but you know, when
Speaker 1: you're talking five forty on Fox on a Friday, the
Speaker 1: Spring League got four eighteen and the mid Saturday afternoon
Speaker 1: and that was Louise Press and the Chowsters and the
Speaker 1: gime in and.
Speaker 2: How Mummy lifting the trophy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no Rock or Danny or I just you know,
Speaker 1: there was just a simpler time you tell me, you
Speaker 1: go back and you do the spring League, and you
Speaker 1: roll it out and you do the two you do
Speaker 1: the two hubs. They were already getting ratings, and then
Speaker 1: then then you rewore the hub. Then you go, you know,
Speaker 1: cause they were in Indianapolis and Houston. That was great.
Speaker 1: And then you go like, hey, yeah, Memphis if you
Speaker 1: want that or burning whatever. But then people have to
Speaker 1: earn it. Then you award the franchise versus like, well,
Speaker 1: we own the Oakland Invaders trademark, so we should look
Speaker 1: at that, like it's just not how you build any
Speaker 1: of this stuff. It's just not sustainable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you got to hope that there's you know,
Speaker 2: some more research into the different cities that to make
Speaker 2: this work.
Speaker 1: Lasting on that and then I hate with that where
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we'll see, like that worked in Saint
Speaker 1: Louis with the scorn, you know, so now we gotta
Speaker 1: go to Oakland. I'm like, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: Saint Louis works for more than just people hate Stan Kronk.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a large portion of it, but I
Speaker 1: hate this whole, Like, well, we just need to find
Speaker 1: a place that's been scoring and do it like you
Speaker 1: haven't found anything else. It's replicated the whole time you've
Speaker 1: been running any of this stuff. So I don't know
Speaker 1: why they think now.
Speaker 2: And there have been a few places that have been
Speaker 2: scorn and Oakland is one of them. But and San
Speaker 2: Diego is another. But you have to make sure that
Speaker 2: it's financially viable to go in there, and that you
Speaker 2: have you have. It's a football crazy place. Saint Louis
Speaker 2: is a football crazy places. It has been for a
Speaker 2: long time. So that's one of the reasons that it works.
Speaker 2: That's one of the big reasons it works.
Speaker 1: I like the uh what you just call it a
Speaker 1: crazy football place.
Speaker 2: It's that uh Saint Louis. Yeah that yeah, they are football. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're football crazy there.
Speaker 1: Well I just like, yeah Wednesday, that essen now, like
Speaker 1: we're just so wowed and crazy crazy football guys. All right,
Speaker 1: we're talking football. I'm pulling up the schedules. But here
Speaker 1: we go. All right, Saint Louis. Phillip's reminding us at
Speaker 1: the battleha, you know that they won all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I need to get the games up here. What did
Speaker 1: you make of the weekend slot? While I get the
Speaker 1: games up?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it was fun to watch because there
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot. You know, there's not a lot on
Speaker 2: the line, although you know Birmingham had they had a
Speaker 2: great game. But I mean, I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 2: Saturday I was I was uh more invested into smoking
Speaker 2: ribs and grill and chicken, so I it was I
Speaker 2: had to catch up on a lot of the I
Speaker 2: only watched one game in full, and that was Sunday
Speaker 2: because I watched the highlight cut down on the I
Speaker 2: mean I had the Birmingham game onto the background and
Speaker 2: watching it back and forth. But but I did I
Speaker 2: watched all the highlight cut down later because I mean,
Speaker 2: these games, they they were interesting, but it was but
Speaker 2: there's nothing on the line. And I think Week ten
Speaker 2: will be interesting because they're all these quarterback I mean,
Speaker 2: we're I think you and I could go to one
Speaker 2: of these towns and probably play quarterback and the coach
Speaker 2: would say, Okay, that's fine because I can't get anybody hurt.
Speaker 2: That's going to the playoffs. I will watch. I think
Speaker 2: it's Arlington and San Antonio play I will watch that
Speaker 2: game because I don't know how much longer we're going
Speaker 2: to see Luis Perez playing spring football, so you know
Speaker 2: this this might be the Swan song, so I will
Speaker 2: I will watch that game.
Speaker 1: I know it was was. I think Anthony was really
Speaker 1: hoping that that. Why is this all I need to
Speaker 1: get this?
Speaker 2: Listen? The UFL site was being really weird earlier today
Speaker 2: and looking at schedules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let me get all they get because right
Speaker 1: they we we were at the Dome right really blew
Speaker 1: out the ramas here. San Antonio went on that I
Speaker 1: think Mike in our we were doing the power rankings
Speaker 1: for Greg's stuff, I think he said, there's really not
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with Memphis or san Antonio anymore.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with that. I kind of felt
Speaker 1: that way last week, like, well, I just don't know
Speaker 1: how you even kind of look here at this san
Speaker 1: Antonio with anything?
Speaker 2: What did you?
Speaker 1: Uh? I mean anything really dug in. I know Pat
Speaker 1: Raffino is really high on him.
Speaker 2: Still maybe yeah maybe yeah. Today, well we got to
Speaker 2: see Brandon Silver, so that was you know, and through
Speaker 2: for one hundred yards. It was interesting that, you know,
Speaker 2: they put Kellen mand back out there. I still didn't
Speaker 2: understand the whole you know, Kevin Hogan thing. So it
Speaker 2: was nice to see Kell and mand back there. I again,
Speaker 2: we talked about this earlier. I think because the season
Speaker 2: is so compressed, we saw Kell and Mond getting better
Speaker 2: each week, but it was also maybe not rapid enough
Speaker 2: for you know, for for Wade and then for you know,
Speaker 2: for parties. So uh, but it was good to see
Speaker 2: him back. I always thought he gave them a better
Speaker 2: chance to win, but it's if it had been a
Speaker 2: sixteen game season, it probably would have been killing Monte.
Speaker 1: What'd you what do you think of Brandon? Silver's here?
Speaker 1: Kind of interesting any right, He got picked up a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, right because of injury and all that,
Speaker 1: and then I mean, good for him because he I
Speaker 1: think it, you know, I think he was kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, jaded or I think he was
Speaker 1: kind of done. I mean, I don't want to put
Speaker 1: words in his mouth, but you know he's back here now.
Speaker 1: I mean, good for him and obviously getting those checks
Speaker 1: in there, you know, I mean that's what that's who
Speaker 1: you want to care at this point? Right his player
Speaker 1: is extending and being able to make money and do
Speaker 1: what they want as long as it possible. But it's
Speaker 1: just kind of a good good, feel good story here
Speaker 1: for Friday Night.
Speaker 2: I loved it. And he made some great passes too,
Speaker 2: so it's like it's not like he was just you know,
Speaker 2: in there taking up a spot. So Max Duggan didn't
Speaker 2: get hurt. I mean, he was making he made some
Speaker 2: really good passes. It was it was uh that that
Speaker 2: was fun to watch some of the highlights of him
Speaker 2: when he got in the game.
Speaker 1: We have a comment here profile, I don't know that
Speaker 1: you guys are a great team. Don't change it. Well,
Speaker 1: there you go, appreciate it. I always I'm screenshot like
Speaker 1: anytime anyone like John, anytime anyone my Facebook messenger has
Speaker 1: notifacations or like I post something on Twitter like that,
Speaker 1: Like I just am used to just looking and having
Speaker 1: someone yelling at me.
Speaker 2: So it's nice. It's just like, do you understand why
Speaker 2: I'm not on Twitter?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I avoid it. I just but John
Speaker 1: had a question here so Party. He says he's watching
Speaker 1: the game. The party made the game more interesting. I'll
Speaker 1: be curious. I don't know what I mean. I think
Speaker 1: if you if Peyton Party wants the job, I think
Speaker 1: it's his job in the US. I mean that's that
Speaker 1: is that rude? That's say for the no.
Speaker 2: No, I think that's I think that's true. Uh. He's
Speaker 2: also I think he's part of there was some kind
Speaker 2: of coaches clinic in the NFL. I think Tampa Bay
Speaker 2: was doing something with that. So he's a future head
Speaker 2: coach somewhere. I mean, I think on a larger level,
Speaker 2: whether it's a you know, whether it's college or some
Speaker 2: you know, sometime way down the road in uh, in
Speaker 2: the NFL. But yeah, I think, uh, I think he's
Speaker 2: a really good coach that just yeah, if he wants
Speaker 2: to be the San Antonio coach or coach of whoever
Speaker 2: next year, I think that that that opportunity would certainly
Speaker 2: be afforded to it.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like when I got my, uh
Speaker 1: for my only job interview call after college, and I
Speaker 1: was so excited. It was my last day ever, and
Speaker 1: I had a voicemail from the news director or Bakersfield, California,
Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, you know whatever, like we'd like
Speaker 1: to fly you down for the interview because there happened
Speaker 1: that he goes, can you drive from Spokane to Seattle?
Speaker 1: But there happened to be a direct flight from Bakersfield
Speaker 1: is there's Spokanda Baker's Field, forgotten this life. And so
Speaker 1: I went to my teacher and I told him, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm really nervous, you know, I have this job interview.
Speaker 1: And he goes, if they're flying you down from Spokane
Speaker 1: to Bakersfield market one point thirty two for a news
Speaker 1: folk journalist, Like you're not even on camera. Like He's like,
Speaker 1: you probably have the job. You can say, as long
Speaker 1: as you don't have something in your.
Speaker 2: Forehead, you probably could have just driven the U haul
Speaker 2: down with all your stuff. I like that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, do we feel good about the party thing? Like Hines?
Speaker 1: Obviously we want him to be good, but like, hey,
Speaker 1: we kind of I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yah, yeah, I mean I think it was. I liked it.
Speaker 2: I think I thought it was a good story. And
Speaker 2: I think he's a good coach. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: there there was there were some times if you watched
Speaker 2: the Brahmas a few times, there were some things that
Speaker 2: he needed to learn. Uh, but there's no question that
Speaker 2: he might be better than a few other head coaches
Speaker 2: that are in this league right now. So, uh, not
Speaker 2: a lot, but some And I think that, uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that there. I think he has a really
Speaker 2: good chance. It was a great story and as uh
Speaker 2: you know they pointed out there, it did make it
Speaker 2: more interesting to see, like some of the things he
Speaker 2: can do. You just saw how excited when they did
Speaker 2: win that game. When they won, I guess it was
Speaker 2: his first game. Was it against d C. Maybe I can't.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember which one it was, but you
Speaker 2: know how excited those players were for him. So there's
Speaker 2: a he had a connection there. Obviously he was an
Speaker 2: assistant coach, but uh, you know, for everything that he
Speaker 2: went through and to get that battlefield promotion, yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought I thought it was pretty cool and I would
Speaker 2: like to see him stick around, but you know, he
Speaker 2: may be destined for some other things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said here, John, I think at this point
Speaker 1: they should keep party. You get a few more alike him.
Speaker 1: Provide opportunity. I mean it was supposed to be, right,
Speaker 1: so League of Opportunity here, this is like literally what
Speaker 1: the UFL is designed for. Right, here's a special teams coach.
Speaker 1: He got a promotion, and you know, you do what
Speaker 1: you do at that point. I mean, you can't rebuild
Speaker 1: the team or go back in time. But I think that.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least the team's playing under him. I
Speaker 1: big value.
Speaker 2: You gotta feel good front, Yeah, I mean people. And
Speaker 2: that was the thing. Like even on that Friday night
Speaker 2: game a couple of weeks ago, was the Memphis overtime game.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, they were playing for him. They had
Speaker 2: nothing to play for. But both those both those teams
Speaker 2: really they were just you know, they they were just
Speaker 2: still balling. And you know, it wasn't about like trying
Speaker 2: to get individual tape. They were out there playing as
Speaker 2: a team. That says a lot. That speaks a lot
Speaker 2: to a.
Speaker 1: Head coach, Uh speaking here of a couple of teams
Speaker 1: but not a ton to play for. Here we have
Speaker 1: a right your boy here and when we all go
Speaker 1: deep dive. This was the rain delayed game and kind
Speaker 1: of all that stuff. But uh, what'd you think of that?
Speaker 1: Why wasn't that?
Speaker 2: Did I make?
Speaker 1: Am I making that up in my head? No? Because no,
Speaker 1: then the one was delayed the next year there was
Speaker 1: two delays, right.
Speaker 2: Well this one was delayed for like three hours. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because well, well we get the the Sunday game was delayed. Well,
Speaker 2: it wasn't delayed. They kicked off at four o'clock Eastern time,
Speaker 2: but the Indianapolis five months, so yeah, I had to
Speaker 2: get on. I was on the Fox Sports app, uh
Speaker 2: watching that, so which was nice that you you know,
Speaker 2: you can you could watch it even though it was
Speaker 2: supposed to be somewhere else and I couldn't find it.
Speaker 1: It was a whole thing. But I watched PN three.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was really weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even know that was still a thing anymore.
Speaker 2: I was like on ESPN. I was trying to get
Speaker 2: on ESPN app and I just did. I just went
Speaker 2: to the Fox Sports app and there was.
Speaker 1: Let's see here. So in terms of Perez, you said
Speaker 1: going back, you know, ying maybe his swan song here.
Speaker 1: Just any general thoughts is, yeah, anything on this game
Speaker 1: just while we kind of get through here, I know
Speaker 1: we'll have more thoughts on stallions and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I thought I liked you know, Luis Perez
Speaker 2: is still playing, and I watched some of the of
Speaker 2: his post game. You know, he's obviously disappointed, but he
Speaker 2: it's the good thing is and another reason that I'm
Speaker 2: watching this game, I think it was. Of course, if
Speaker 2: you watch my video then you you'll you'll know what
Speaker 2: the exact number is. I'm trying to I think he
Speaker 2: needs like two hundred and ninety three yards to break
Speaker 2: his record from last year. And he was about he's
Speaker 2: on averaging about two twenty two thirty passing yards per game,
Speaker 2: so that would be interesting to watch too. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I just you know this one they I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: to me, I'd like to see a lot more addresser win.
Speaker 2: I understand they want to put e J. Perry out there.
Speaker 2: A lot of these guys are trying to get them
Speaker 2: film and it makes total sense. And you know, a
Speaker 2: we even had a Holt Naylor's I thought, I asked
Speaker 2: Pat if he's going to put Holt Naylor's in his
Speaker 2: like you know, top five now because he threw a
Speaker 2: touchdown pass.
Speaker 1: Well, and then he was like on, I saw some
Speaker 1: video of him like talking to the crowd too. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on with that. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had quite the weekend. I think he's pretty excited.
Speaker 2: He should have been excited. That was probably the most.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's you know, he's usually mister handoff king
Speaker 2: there and when they run that package that like weird
Speaker 2: T formation or whatever it is they run. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so he threw a touchdown pass.
Speaker 1: Is this the last we see of the show Boats?
Speaker 1: Do you think they're back next year?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. It's it's I don't know, unless
Speaker 2: something drastically changes, or the UFL like really has you know,
Speaker 2: some they really do get the owners or something. It's
Speaker 2: hard for him to see the Memphis show Boats coming back,
Speaker 2: and I hate it because it is a good venue
Speaker 2: down there. They've done everything right. They've gotten out in
Speaker 2: the community. I think they said it was like twenty
Speaker 2: thousand hours of like before the season even started, that
Speaker 2: they were out, you know, talking to all these you
Speaker 2: know different you know, like really getting out and connecting
Speaker 2: with the fans. But there's a disconnect somewhere. And again
Speaker 2: I think it might go back to what we were
Speaker 2: talking about earlier. There was a hardcore group of fans.
Speaker 2: But the problem is there are a lot of fans
Speaker 2: that remember every flirtation with every league from the World
Speaker 2: Football League on in the mid seventies to now, and
Speaker 2: they've gotten burnt every time. So maybe there's something there.
Speaker 2: So it's really hard for me to see if things
Speaker 2: continue the way that they continue, that there has to
Speaker 2: be some kind of change there and I hate to
Speaker 2: see it because I really liked what I thought was
Speaker 2: gonna happen this year.
Speaker 1: In terms of Abdul's got a couple of funny it's,
Speaker 1: and he's always funny on the check. Of course, he'll
Speaker 1: be like, well, Memphis telling needs like twenty seven thousand
Speaker 1: more fans next game, and they'll they'll still break the
Speaker 1: record from last time and all that stuff. But Pat
Speaker 1: called me the other day paraffine you know, analyze and
Speaker 1: educate on YouTube, went to the Weekend Day a story
Speaker 1: if he was out, and we were talking because he Pat.
Speaker 1: The story was Pat was at a gym and someone
Speaker 1: had a battle Hawks shirt on it. I think they
Speaker 1: had gotten it. Maybe he's told you the story too,
Speaker 1: they got it free and they didn't know what the
Speaker 1: battle Hawks were. And then oh, okay, well tell you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I assume Pat is okay. With Pat texting me right now,
Speaker 1: it's not really that big of a story. But the
Speaker 1: guy had a battle hook shugged on, and Pat's like
Speaker 1: that's awesome, Like what do you know the team? He's like, well,
Speaker 1: I think like I got this at work, Like I
Speaker 1: think they were here back in twenty twenty and whatever,
Speaker 1: and Pat's like, oh no, like they're back now, and
Speaker 1: he's like awesome. And Pat's like, well, are you going
Speaker 1: to go to the games? He's like probably not, but
Speaker 1: that's cool, like and moved on, right, and you know
Speaker 1: this whole thing because we get through all this and like,
Speaker 1: I don't and that's this is a spur of my conversation.
Speaker 1: Like some of these markets, I don't know how you
Speaker 1: sell them or I don't know, like San Antonio this
Speaker 1: year with the four home games, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you sell four home games. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: sell and I don't know. You know, I'm just brain certain.
Speaker 1: You know, we saw the hub stuff and everything. You know,
Speaker 1: do you do a longer season and then can you
Speaker 1: double up some of these games? I mean even the CFL, right,
Speaker 1: you do nine teams, but they play forever? I know
Speaker 1: that is long term more of a thing. I just
Speaker 1: down the line, because then you at least you can
Speaker 1: sell more than four games or like oh here, buy
Speaker 1: ten games for your team or what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: just an impossibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't hurt. I don't think to
Speaker 2: have a twelve week season, maybe, especially if you ended
Speaker 2: up with ten teams, and you know, if they do
Speaker 2: actually end up expanding by two teams, that's not a
Speaker 2: bad idea. You know, the problem is I still haven't
Speaker 2: figured out what's going on to Birmingham, and I've been
Speaker 2: taken to task on this a few times because people
Speaker 2: say like, well, you didn't count you know, there were
Speaker 2: only four thousand people there for Mother's Day and I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, the UFL did not do them any favors.
Speaker 2: But even if you take that out, this year their
Speaker 2: home games averaged less than ten thousand. I think it
Speaker 2: was ninety eight hundred minus the alleged four thousand that
Speaker 2: were there, looked like more about four hundred if that
Speaker 2: at that Mother's Day game that the UFL totally holds
Speaker 2: them on. So that was another you know, and being
Speaker 2: down there, we've talked about it before. There are people
Speaker 2: in Birmingham, which you would think would be you know,
Speaker 2: that's Football city certain and has been the the at
Speaker 2: Football Capital, that don't know that the stallions are there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's it's it's there's there's a disconnect with
Speaker 2: marketing or something that's going on in a lot of
Speaker 2: these cities. And as you mentioned with Saint Louis. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of or it's organic. A lot of
Speaker 2: it's organic because they like football and they hate Stan
Speaker 2: Kroncky and that all works, and they've got a great
Speaker 2: venue to play in.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also have been seven years. I mean it's
Speaker 1: you know, whenever they now you know, twenty eighteen events,
Speaker 1: and then whenever they announce the teams. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was later in eighteen or nineteen, but like
Speaker 1: it's just been forever there, real quick on this because
Speaker 1: well I gotta we'll get off tied at the top
Speaker 1: of the hour because I got to booge. We did
Speaker 1: have a couple of Darren Michigan seems to have the
Speaker 1: secret sauce to approven attendance anyone from Houston, because chop
Speaker 1: here goes Houston. Birmingham and Memphis are inbaran se. Well,
Speaker 1: what's the difference. It's because Michigan is quite good this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that is Birmingham, but they've I
Speaker 1: feel like they're at least been down and now I
Speaker 1: mean obviously I say that with the Stallions being six
Speaker 1: and three as well, but at least it feels like
Speaker 1: they have given more of a reason to kind of
Speaker 1: get behind that team.
Speaker 2: I think that's a lot of it. But also it's yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, it's like, Birmingham won three straight championships. What
Speaker 2: more can Skip Holton that team do to get people
Speaker 2: to turn out for these games? And it's like what
Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right, you're getting burnt. You're gonna get
Speaker 2: burnt every time if you're you know, for for the
Speaker 2: show boats. And I think there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people who say, like, well, if we really these teams,
Speaker 2: it's gonna hurt the league. To me, if you don't
Speaker 2: relocate at least a couple of these, it's gonna hurt
Speaker 2: the league. And I don't know that there's a win
Speaker 2: win situation either way, but yeah, but having a good team,
Speaker 2: no doubt helps. But it just seems like even early
Speaker 2: on with Memphis, they weren't getting to turnout even when
Speaker 2: they you know, they had hired Ken wizen Hunt and
Speaker 2: it looked like this was gonna Of course, that first
Speaker 2: week he didn't coach and he came back and that
Speaker 2: was that whole situation. But even when it you know,
Speaker 2: the slate was clean, it just didn't seem like that
Speaker 2: that that was connecting to the community no matter how
Speaker 2: hard they kept trying. And you know we've talked about
Speaker 2: it before. Andy Seeley and that group down there has
Speaker 2: done such a good job with you know, the community,
Speaker 2: with media. It's a great setup. It's a good venue.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people might disagree. I thought
Speaker 2: it was a good setup for spring football, but I
Speaker 2: just don't know what it is. And I don't know
Speaker 2: what the secret sauce is that Michigan has unless it's
Speaker 2: I don't know, having having a good team.
Speaker 1: I will say, and Chop has this that good last
Speaker 1: year Jake Bates sped them on it. Ut I know
Speaker 1: they had that. They know they have the Jake bitsbell
Speaker 1: but which I think is awesome because as far as
Speaker 1: I know, that's cool. That's the first you know, UFL
Speaker 1: or XFL, you know, kind of on the modern time.
Speaker 1: But I will say the league has not had any
Speaker 1: viral moments this year like that. I mean, even the
Speaker 1: even the pizza Gate stuff with USFL twenty two, but
Speaker 1: I mean at least that gott it in that There's
Speaker 1: just there's been nothing, and not that they again, the
Speaker 1: game play has been good and everything's in, but there's
Speaker 1: been no like you have to watch right now that
Speaker 1: Like again, it's like no respect to Eluis Perez and
Speaker 1: Jordan Tamu and these guys. Like no one's saying, man,
Speaker 1: you got it, you got like Louis Perez, man you
Speaker 1: got it. You gotta why you know you gotta turn.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, we love and we spent, but
Speaker 1: it's just I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I but the but the problem is you're
Speaker 2: not going to get a lot of maybe even bigger
Speaker 2: name players like Max Duggan. That's a guy who was
Speaker 2: a Heisman runner up, But are are people talking about
Speaker 2: him outside of the UFL. I don't know. That's the game.
Speaker 1: It's also this weird and like you said, my mom
Speaker 1: is the perfect example.
Speaker 2: It is this.
Speaker 1: It's just just the American football condition where like the
Speaker 1: second the player graduates from college, if they didn't go
Speaker 1: to my team, like I don't care about them anymore
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, And it's just it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird. But that's that's kind of what it is.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, John's off Twitter. He's off Twitter. Man. I try,
Speaker 1: I try, I try.
Speaker 2: I have not been on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I think the joke is I think the joke is
Speaker 1: you have your handle on your name.
Speaker 2: I think that's oh, oh that is yeah, that's just you.
Speaker 2: That is YouTube and Instagram and blue Sky and uh
Speaker 2: but yeah, that one's not going to be live for
Speaker 2: a while probably.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you Blue Skuy is I go on Blue Sky,
Speaker 1: Blue Sky is dead.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it got it was kind of like threads.
Speaker 2: It got hot for a little bit and then just
Speaker 2: kind of disappeared real quick.
Speaker 1: Here. So stallions, right, we did know we got the
Speaker 1: stallions here and all that.
Speaker 2: That's cred.
Speaker 1: This was a great game. I watched whole game through.
Speaker 1: I'm looking here and I know he played well. Jmr
Speaker 1: Smith does not feel like this does not feel like
Speaker 1: the same team. And this might be my hatred's words,
Speaker 1: jmr Smith, but what did you make and how did
Speaker 1: he play?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: Because they still won. But I to me, this is
Speaker 1: even better, bigger they wont with jmar it is.
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised that. To me, this kind
Speaker 2: of this leads me to think that Skip Holtz thinks that,
Speaker 2: you know, Alex Magoo might be ready to go, like
Speaker 2: coming up here. Maybe he'll see a little bit of time.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm skip holds, I'm putting all
Speaker 2: my I'm putting all my quarterbacks and bubble wrapped. Like
Speaker 2: I said, I think I think we could we could
Speaker 2: drive to what I can't where they're playing even this week,
Speaker 2: but it's like, yeah, we let's let we could go
Speaker 2: down there and play quarterback because these guys can't get
Speaker 2: hurt anymore. He's gone through was it seven or eight
Speaker 2: different quarterbacks so far? Yes, But what jmr was doing
Speaker 2: was entertaining. I mean that was fun to watch. Like
Speaker 2: I said, I had it on in the background, and
Speaker 2: every time I'd let around, I mean it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, he just I mean three hundred yards passing.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good, and you know, and then Dandy Atley
Speaker 2: getting in there and like playing. So I can understand
Speaker 2: why talking about bubble wrap, you want to keep Bryce
Speaker 2: Perkins in bubble rap because that guy is uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he's fantastic. I just wonder if some of the rust,
Speaker 2: you know, they might need to work him a little bit.
Speaker 2: I don't know that that'll be interesting to watch in
Speaker 2: week ten to see if he even takes a snap
Speaker 2: out there. But you know, Bryce Perkins, if he had
Speaker 2: not got hurt. I mean, I think he's battling Jordan
Speaker 2: TOAMU for MVP. I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard this last couple of weeks here, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to get the CFL Week nineteen
Speaker 1: and week eight of the UFL. Like it's just really hard.
Speaker 1: I have my eyes on this one, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much we're talking about this. He's
Speaker 1: sweet and it's nearly when Mark Startha Crank came out,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, thank God, Like I don't I don't
Speaker 1: need to have detailed notes on the show boats on
Speaker 1: ESPN three, Like, thank you for that.
Speaker 2: Right, but listen, you got Luis Perez watch, so that's something.
Speaker 1: Anything else. Oh, the last thing here, I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk through real quick. Houston here against d C. And
Speaker 1: this game was kind of a weird game because DC
Speaker 1: is kind of you they don't have a lot to
Speaker 1: play for with Houston. Yeah, they Tamo didn't play in
Speaker 1: the second half. And that's when I kind of tuned
Speaker 1: out because I had it on and I was watching
Speaker 1: the Mariners and they she asked whoever the sideline was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: They're like Shannon, like, so, what's the game playing with Tamu,
Speaker 1: like how much is he going to see this half?
Speaker 1: And he's like we're not playing and they're like, oh okay, next,
Speaker 1: Like well that kills them, kills my interest in this.
Speaker 1: But what did you make of this one? And I
Speaker 1: want to talk about the shirt giveaway at PM? But
Speaker 1: what do you think of this?
Speaker 2: Well? We Pat and I were texting a little bit
Speaker 2: about Mike DeLillo and it was fun watching Jaylen mclinton.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought that I felt so bad for
Speaker 2: him on that what he what looked like it might
Speaker 2: be the final play and still like, you know, God
Speaker 2: bless c J. It's just it, that's you know, there
Speaker 2: was just always question like what why are you? What
Speaker 2: are you talking about? And then why are you having
Speaker 2: other people have to tell you what to do? It's
Speaker 2: it's hard, that's hard to watch. I love seeing Jaylen
Speaker 2: McLendon though. I think I'll be interested to see hopefully
Speaker 2: he'll I wonder what they'll do in week ten. I'd
Speaker 2: love to see him, you know, play a little more.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this was you know, this was this was
Speaker 2: pretty interesting and I just felt so bad for him though,
Speaker 2: as he was trying to do make an extra effort
Speaker 2: and he fumbled the ball and then here, you know,
Speaker 2: here comes and he didn't need to do it if
Speaker 2: they would have just taken a knee and then kicked
Speaker 2: a field goal or spiked and kicked the field goal
Speaker 2: as they continue, as the announcers continued to say, this game,
Speaker 2: it's what was basically over and then d C drives.
Speaker 2: You know, they drive the field and almost took it.
Speaker 2: But even Jordan Tom who was kind of laughing, like
Speaker 2: laughing after the game because I mean, they didn't have
Speaker 2: a lot to play for, and you know, Houston is
Speaker 2: playing for pride, and I think that's a prideful team.
Speaker 1: Uh. It is just the weirdest thing. Yeah, that CJ
Speaker 1: is like, hey, guys, like I only got one more
Speaker 1: time out, Like how's everyone doing here? Like I don't
Speaker 1: want to have to use that time out unless we
Speaker 1: have to kick a field Actually, we should really try
Speaker 1: to score.
Speaker 2: A touchdown here because I want to touchdown.
Speaker 1: Why what what is that messaging to your players? Like
Speaker 1: you're like, because he's so used to having to kick
Speaker 1: the field goal, like in his head, I just can't. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see the best we can till we get stopped
Speaker 1: or try to score here. Like he is a weird
Speaker 1: gre I like him. I like him as a hype guy,
Speaker 1: just to like him as a coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. He seems like a
Speaker 2: nice guy and he was out there. You know, he
Speaker 2: is a hype guy. But it's just it to me
Speaker 2: that was surprising to me when Houston cleaned house with
Speaker 2: everyone new, GM comes in and he stayed there and
Speaker 2: I was you know, we talked about earlier in the
Speaker 2: season we started watching him. It's like, what if you're
Speaker 2: sitting across the table and you asked him, CJ, why
Speaker 2: should you keep your job? Like, what would he say?
Speaker 2: And I don't know what he could have said. After
Speaker 2: week three or four, granted they got better, but it
Speaker 2: still felt like they were winning in spite of him
Speaker 2: rather than because of you know, some great play calling
Speaker 2: that was going on on.
Speaker 1: Here's the last thing, and I think I can do
Speaker 1: this and then we'll get out. There was the note
Speaker 1: after the game, excuse me, sorry, I drink too much water.
Speaker 1: They got the bubbles, they they were like giving away
Speaker 1: all this merch and Jenna had an ass to be like,
Speaker 1: from what I can gather here, it has xfl on it.
Speaker 1: It's like old new old merchant. I think that someone
Speaker 1: that lewis stuff as well. So, uh, there was some
Speaker 1: concern that they were giving away merch after the game.
Speaker 1: And that is my understanding. So if anyone else has
Speaker 1: a different understanding, it's just getting rid of old stuff
Speaker 1: that they don't want to sell because it says and
Speaker 1: I think they might be abandoning that trademark like maybe
Speaker 1: write the article.
Speaker 2: You got seven hundred dollars, we'll pick it up. But
Speaker 2: I do I did, I think you sent me this,
Speaker 2: And I do wonder if that was just there that
Speaker 2: some other you know, we might see that in some
Speaker 2: of the home venues, you know, this weekend of the
Speaker 2: non playoff teams.
Speaker 1: That would be my assumption. I would not think that
Speaker 1: they would just like in here, Okay, here's my rampant
Speaker 1: speculation before we get out of here. Is something's going
Speaker 1: on where they can't sell that because it has the
Speaker 1: XFL mark on it and they have to give it away.
Speaker 1: Is I guarantee like what it is, and there's some
Speaker 1: sort of thing with something and they can't sell it
Speaker 1: and they have to give it away, And that's just
Speaker 1: because I guarantee you they'd sell it if they could.
Speaker 1: I mean they discount sure on the stuff.
Speaker 2: Someone someone walked into a where into a storage room
Speaker 2: and found a box of that and says, oh my god,
Speaker 2: we can't sell this, so we we'll give it away.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's like it's even stuff that goes
Speaker 1: on with like us or anything.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: The simplest answer is usually probably the right answer to Paggy,
Speaker 1: somebody don't trust a man who wears the crocs in
Speaker 1: attack mot. I don't know that's the joke. Pat want
Speaker 1: to be sure, John, I appreciate it. We're heading to
Speaker 1: the Tacoma in years game here for a wedding network. John,
Speaker 1: anything else from you, make sure you use John's I
Speaker 1: didn't talk off the top jails on Royal Retros. I
Speaker 1: was talking to Dustin even today. He was trying to
Speaker 1: get some work for the guy that helped me do
Speaker 1: my jersey. So that would be cool if we worked
Speaker 1: that out. So you know, it's people helping people. But
Speaker 1: anything else you got from you, No.
Speaker 2: It's listen, it's been it has been a fun season.
Speaker 2: I think there are some things that we can look
Speaker 2: forward to in week ten, but you know, big time
Speaker 2: is going to be the playoffs. And I think there's
Speaker 2: going to be change after the season, but we will see.
Speaker 2: Let's uh, we'll end it on a well in it
Speaker 2: on a positive note. I think these conference championship games
Speaker 2: next week are going to be really good.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm all in. I need Michigan to be I
Speaker 1: need Mike Nolan to beat Skill. I can't deal. I
Speaker 1: can't have the Stallions. So well, yeah, what would be
Speaker 1: your idea like defenders Panthers?
Speaker 2: My my ideal? Change?
Speaker 1: You want St.
Speaker 2: Louis, But I mean, I'm I want to see Saint
Speaker 2: Louis and Birmingham again. I mean, to me, I would
Speaker 2: like to see that. But uh, but again, as you know,
Speaker 2: my USFL team was Birmingham, my XFL team was Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: And when we went to the and saw the game,
Speaker 2: my wife just said, you seemed completely conflicted, And I
Speaker 2: was like, I just can't cheer for Birmingham to do badly.
Speaker 2: But I also, you know, and I can't cheer run
Speaker 2: I only get beaten up here in Saint Louis. So
Speaker 2: but to me, I think that would be be the
Speaker 2: best matchup. It was certainly a great regular season game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might not make it through the game, so
Speaker 1: we for your just like head did not explode anyway, John,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. We'll see you guys next time and
Speaker 1: take care.