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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>When you close your eyes and picture space exploration, what

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<v Speaker 2>is the very first image that pops into your head?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it is definitely something blindingly bright, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, if you are like most of us, it is

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<v Speaker 2>always this extreme illumination. You see those gleaming white space

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<v Speaker 2>suits mm hmm, like the Apollo astronauts bouncing around in

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<v Speaker 2>the harsh, unfiltered glare of the sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you picture the gold foil of a lunar lander,

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, catching that intense solar radiation against the

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<v Speaker 3>black sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Our entire visual vocabulary for exploring the cosmos is

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<v Speaker 2>defined by extreme almost violent light. I mean light is power.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, light is visibility.

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<v Speaker 2>It's how we survive in an environment that is constantly

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<v Speaker 2>trying to kill us.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes complete sense from a biological standpoint and honestly

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<v Speaker 3>from an engineering one too. We rely on the sun

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<v Speaker 3>to charge the batteries on our solar panels. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we need bright thruster plumes to visibly confirm trajectory corrections

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<v Speaker 3>in the void. And frankly, we just need the heat

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<v Speaker 3>of that light to keep our instruments from freezing solid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Our instinct is a human species is basically to

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<v Speaker 2>follow the light. We seek it out and we build

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<v Speaker 2>our entire exploratory architecture around it.

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<v Speaker 3>We do.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you travel to the very bottom of the Moon.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at the lunar South Pole and you

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<v Speaker 2>hike to the edge of one of these massive ancient

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<v Speaker 2>impact craters, places like Shackleton craters.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, those are fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>You look down over the rim and suddenly that light

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<v Speaker 2>is gone completely.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about regions of the Moon that have

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<v Speaker 2>literally not seen a single stray photon of direct sunlight

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<v Speaker 2>for billions of years.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredible to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just dark in the way a room gets

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<v Speaker 2>dark when you turn off a lamp. It is a permanent, freezing,

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<v Speaker 2>absolute shadow.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the ultimate void. If you were to drop

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<v Speaker 3>down into one of those crators. You are entering an

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<v Speaker 3>environment that is incredibly hostile to the kind of exploratory hardware.

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<v Speaker 2>We usually build because of the cold.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the temperatures plunge to levels that shatter conventional metals.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no solar power to be harvested down there.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, by almost every traditional metric we use in

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<v Speaker 3>aerospace engineering, a totally dead zone.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet here is the wild twist at the heart

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<v Speaker 2>of our conversation today, that horrifying pitch black nothingness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out to be the absolute perfect environment, arguably

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<v Speaker 2>the most valuable real estate in the entire Solar system

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<v Speaker 2>for humanity's most precise, cutting edge technology.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is a massive paradigm shift.

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<v Speaker 2>We are literally planning to plunge into the darkest, coldest

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<v Speaker 2>abyss imaginable just to build a machine of perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Light, which is such a profound inversion of how we

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<v Speaker 3>normally operate in space.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>And this isn't just some speculative science fiction concept either.

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<v Speaker 3>What we are exploring today is a highly practical, rigorously

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<v Speaker 3>detailed blueprint for the actual future of lunar exploration. Physicists

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<v Speaker 3>have realized that the very things that make these craters

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<v Speaker 3>seem so terrifying and inhospitable, you know, the absolute cold,

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<v Speaker 3>the profound emptiness. Right, those are exactly the conditions required

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<v Speaker 3>to stabilize a piece of quantum technology called an ultrastable laser.

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<v Speaker 3>An ultrastable laser exactly, And by placing this specific instrument

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<v Speaker 3>in this specific dark place, we fundamentally change how we

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<v Speaker 3>navigate through space, how we measure time, and even how

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<v Speaker 3>we listen to the universe itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I am so ready to get into this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But if I am sitting here listening to this and

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<v Speaker 2>picturing a perfectly dark, perfectly cold crater, the very first

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<v Speaker 2>thing I think of is a vacuum of space. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know space is already a vacuum, so I

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<v Speaker 2>had to push back right out of the gate, so

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<v Speaker 2>for it. If the entirety of outer space is already

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<v Speaker 2>this giant empty vacuum, why are physicists so obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>the extra stillness of these specific lunar craters. What makes

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<v Speaker 2>the vacuum inside a dark hole on the Moon any

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<v Speaker 2>better than the vacuum floating halfway between Earth and Mars.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we have to define what stillness actually means. When

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<v Speaker 3>we step into the realm of high precision physics, because

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<v Speaker 3>when we casually throw on the word vacuum, we usually

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<v Speaker 3>just mean an environment with no.

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<v Speaker 2>Air, right, like an empty void.

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<v Speaker 3>But the physical world, especially at a microscopic level, is

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly chaotic everywhere, even in the so called vacuum of

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<v Speaker 3>deep space. Space is not perfectly empty, and it is

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<v Speaker 3>certainly not perfectly cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 3>No, When a satellite is orbiting the Earth or drifting

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<v Speaker 3>between planets, it is constantly being bombarded.

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<v Speaker 2>Bombarded by what like micro meteorites.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes, yeah, but I'm talking about things much smaller and

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<v Speaker 3>much more pervasive. Solar radiation, the solar wind, which is

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<v Speaker 3>basically a stream of charged particles spewed out by the

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<v Speaker 3>sun cosmic rays, and most importantly, fluctuating thermal energy. A

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<v Speaker 3>satellite in space heats up dramatically when it's facing the Sun,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it cools down rapidly when it passes into

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<v Speaker 3>a planetary shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>The temperature swings are wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and the materials on that satellite, the aluminum, the titanium,

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<v Speaker 3>the circuitry, they all expand and contract with those temperature swings.

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<v Speaker 3>This creates microvibrations throughout the entire physical structure.

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<v Speaker 2>So even though there's no physical wind blowing against the satellite,

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<v Speaker 2>the fluctuating key to the Sun is basically beating it up.

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<v Speaker 2>On a microscopic level. It's jittering.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a very good way to visualize it. Heat

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<v Speaker 3>is ultimately just atomic motion. It's kinetic energy. If something

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<v Speaker 3>is warm, its constituent atoms are vibrating violently. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you are trying to build an instrument that relies on

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<v Speaker 3>absolute perfect precision measuring things down to the width of

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<v Speaker 3>an atom, even a fraction of a degree of heat

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<v Speaker 3>creates a violent, jittery disruption. Now look at the Moon. Generally,

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<v Speaker 3>the Moon is fantastic for certain types of science because

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't have the seismic activity of.

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<v Speaker 2>Earth because there are no tectonic plates.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, no tectonic plates crashing together. There are no oceans

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<v Speaker 3>pounding against coastlines, no semi trucks driving down the highway

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<v Speaker 3>to create ground noise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Earth is super noisy.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. The Moon also lacks an atmosphere, so there

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<v Speaker 3>are no wind or sound waves, which are massive disruptors

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<v Speaker 3>of precision instruments. But the sunlit lunar surface still experiences

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<v Speaker 3>brutal temperature swings.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, It goes from something like two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>degrees fahrenheit in the direct sunlight down to negative two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred degrees in the lunari yet does a massive thermal

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<v Speaker 2>shock every two.

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<v Speaker 3>Weeks precisely that thermal cycling would completely destroy the alignment

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<v Speaker 3>of an ultra stable laser. But step down into those

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<v Speaker 3>permanently shadowed craters at the South.

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<v Speaker 2>Pole where the sun never shines right.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the sun never crests the rim to hit the

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<v Speaker 3>crater floor, the ambient temperature there rests steadily around fifty

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<v Speaker 3>degrees above absolute zero. That is fifty kelvin.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, And for context, absolute zero zero kelvin is the

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<v Speaker 2>theoretical limit where all atomic motion essentially stops entirely right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so at fifty kelvin, the random microscopic jitter of

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<v Speaker 3>physical materials is drastically reduced. You are entering a realm

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<v Speaker 3>of thermodynamic stillness that is incredibly difficult and very expensive

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<v Speaker 3>to achieve artificially on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>Furthermore, the vacuum inside these specific craters is actually of

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<v Speaker 3>a higher quality than the general lunar surface.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, wait, how can a vacuum be of a higher quality.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on the same moon, doesn't the whole Moon share

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same lack of atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>It does, but the general lunar surface actually suffers from

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<v Speaker 3>a very faint exosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Solar radiation hits the lunar dirt and causes a tiny

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<v Speaker 3>bit of outgassing. It releases trace amounts of helium, ar

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<v Speaker 3>gone and other particles. Plus the solar wind is constantly

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<v Speaker 3>impacting the day side, so it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit dusty and gassy on a microscope level exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But inside the deep, permanently shadowed craters, the walls physically

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<v Speaker 3>block the solar wind, and because it is so profoundly cold,

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<v Speaker 3>any stray gas molecule that happens to wander into the

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<v Speaker 3>crater instantly freezes solid and sticks to the crater floor.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, it's called a cold trap. So the environment

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<v Speaker 3>inside the crater acts like a natural ultra high vacuum pumpy,

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<v Speaker 3>just continuously scrubbing its own space empty. It effectively eliminates

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<v Speaker 3>any stray acoustic vibrations and drastically reduces the rogue particles

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<v Speaker 3>that could bump into delicate instruments.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost a paradox. As humans, we usually look for

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<v Speaker 2>warm sennni spots to set up camp because that's what

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<v Speaker 2>keeps our machines running in our bodies from freezing. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But here the dead zones, the places where absolutely nothing happens,

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<v Speaker 2>where there is no ambient energy, no light, no heat,

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<v Speaker 2>those are the most crucial places to be for this

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<v Speaker 2>specific science. The really are It makes me think about

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<v Speaker 2>how the upcoming Artemis missions are already targeting these exact

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<v Speaker 2>South Pole regions because they contain water ice frozen in

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<v Speaker 2>the shadows. We are heading to the darkest places for

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<v Speaker 2>survival resources, and the physics community is basically saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>while you're down there in the dark mining ice, it

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<v Speaker 2>just so happens to be the perfect spot for our

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<v Speaker 2>ultimate precision laser.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the ultimate cosmic coincidence. The conditions required for

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<v Speaker 3>long term human survival, finding ancient ice trapped in these

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<v Speaker 3>cold traps to turn into drinking water and rocket fuel,

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<v Speaker 3>Those are precisely the same conditions required to push the

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<v Speaker 3>boundaries of quantum measurements. The stillness is the currency here

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<v Speaker 3>in physics. If you want to measure a signal with

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<v Speaker 3>unimaginable precision, you have to first silence all the background noise, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and there is literally nowhere quiet or nowhere more still

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<v Speaker 3>than a fifty kelvin shadow that hasn't seen the sun

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<v Speaker 3>since the solar system was young.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we have established this beautifully dead, quiet, freezing environment.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the actual machine that desperately needs to

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<v Speaker 2>live down there. Yeah, the heart of this entire concept

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<v Speaker 2>is something called an optical silicon cavity. Yes, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to make sure we really visualize this for everyone listening,

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<v Speaker 2>because the name sounds a bit like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>an abstract math problem. But it is a very tangible

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<v Speaker 2>physical object. It is. It is essentially a block of

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<v Speaker 2>crystalline silicon, and on each end of this block there

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<v Speaker 2>is a mirror. That's the basic anatomy.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the core physical architecture. Just imagine a highly refined,

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<v Speaker 3>beautifully engineered spacer block made of single crystal silicon. It's

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<v Speaker 3>usually quite small, maybe a couple of dozen centimeters.

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<v Speaker 2>Long, so pretty compac very.

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<v Speaker 3>Compact, and bonded to each end of the silicon spacer

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<v Speaker 3>is a highly reflective mirror. But these aren't the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of mirrors you have in your bathroom, I would hope not. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>There are sophisticated, multi layered dielectric coatings designed to reflect

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<v Speaker 3>light with a perfection that borders on the absolute, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The entire purpose of this silicon block is to bounce light.

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<v Speaker 2>You introduce light into the cavity through one of the mirrors,

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<v Speaker 2>and it bounces back and forth endlessly between these two

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly facing mirrored surfaces exactly. But it's not just any light,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't just bounce randomly. The distance between those

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<v Speaker 2>two mirrors dictates exactly which frequencies, basically, which colors of

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>If the distance between those mirrors changes by even the

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<v Speaker 2>width of a single atom, the entire system fails. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it comes down to the fundamental wave nature of

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<v Speaker 3>as a wave, it has peaks and troughs. Okay, Now

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<v Speaker 3>imagine those waves overlapping as they travel back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>So they sort of stack on top of each other exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time a wave bounceounces back, its peak aligns exactly

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<v Speaker 3>The amplitude builds up, creating a powerful, highly stable, standing

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<v Speaker 2>Now I want to make sure I'm grasping the alternative here.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens if the distance is slightly off. Let's say

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<v Speaker 2>the mirror moves away by a tiny, tiny fraction of

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<v Speaker 3>If the distance shifts even slightly, the geometry is broken.

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<v Speaker 3>The wave bounces back, but now it has traveled a

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<v Speaker 3>slightly different distance. When it overlaps with the next incoming wave,

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<v Speaker 3>they are out of sync. A peak of one wave

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<v Speaker 3>will align with the trough of another wave. When a

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I see.

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<v Speaker 3>This is called destructive interference. The energy doesn't disappear from

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<v Speaker 3>the universe, of course, but the light wave itself cannot

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<v Speaker 3>sustain its structure inside that specific physical boundary, it scatters

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<v Speaker 3>or is transmitted out and the standing wave collapses.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think I have an analogy for this, but

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<v Speaker 2>correct me if I stray too far. Think about a

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly tuned acoustic instrument. Let's use a guitar. Okay, Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>when you pluck a guitar string, the string is anchored

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<v Speaker 2>at two incredibly fixed points, the nut at the top

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<v Speaker 2>That physical distance between those two anchor points is completely

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<v Speaker 2>non negotiable. Because of that exact fixed distance, When you

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<v Speaker 2>pluck the string, only one specific pure note let's say

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<v Speaker 2>an A can sustain itself and ring out loudly. All

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<v Speaker 2>the other chaotic vibrations, all the scraping noise of your

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<v Speaker 2>finger hitting the string, quickly die out because those random

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<v Speaker 2>frequencies just don't fit the physical geometry of the string.

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<v Speaker 2>The physical distance ensures the purity of the note that is.

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<v Speaker 3>On the right track, absolutely, but we have to take

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<v Speaker 3>it a step further to truly capture what the optical

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<v Speaker 3>cavity is doing. A guitar string is one dimensional and

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<v Speaker 3>it's vibrating matter. Our cavity is three dimensional, and we

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<v Speaker 3>are dealing with an electromagnetic field photons instead of physical

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<v Speaker 3>strength exactly, But the underlying principle of boundary conditions is identical.

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<v Speaker 3>The distance between the guitar's bridge and the nut is

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<v Speaker 3>the exact equivalent of the distance between our two mirrors.

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<v Speaker 3>The silicon block acts as the neck of the guitar,

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<v Speaker 3>holding the mirrors perfectly rigidly apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm checking.

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<v Speaker 3>The optical cavity acts as the ultimate unforgiving gatekeeper. It

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<v Speaker 3>dictates the physics of the space. It essentially says, only

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<v Speaker 3>light of this exact specific frequency, this exact wavelength is

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to resonate and build power here. Any other frequency

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<v Speaker 3>will destroy itself through interference.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we want to keep our optical guitar perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>in tune, the neck of the guitar, the silicon block

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<v Speaker 2>can never ever bend, warp, expand, or shrink. Never if

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<v Speaker 2>the distance between the mirrors changes by even a fraction

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<v Speaker 2>of an atomic diameter, are perfectly cure color of light shifts,

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<v Speaker 2>the standing wave collapses. It basically goes out of tune.

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<v Speaker 3>And that introduces the terror of thermodynamics that we were

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<v Speaker 3>discussing earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, because if he yes.

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<v Speaker 3>In the physical universe, almost everything expands when it gets

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<v Speaker 3>warm and contracts when it gets cold, even a highly

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<v Speaker 3>engineered block of single crystal silicon. If you put this

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<v Speaker 3>silicon cavity on a table in a normal laboratory room

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<v Speaker 3>on Earth, just the microscopic fluctuations in the room's ambient

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<v Speaker 3>air temperature, maybe the air conditioning turns on, or a scientist.

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<v Speaker 2>Walks past, just a person walking past.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, body heat is more than enough. That would

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<v Speaker 3>cause the silicon block to expand and contract by microscopic amounts.

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<v Speaker 3>The mirrors would constantly be moving closer together and further apart.

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<v Speaker 3>The resonant frequency of the light would drift endlessly. The

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<v Speaker 3>instrument would be completely useless for the kind of extreme

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<v Speaker 3>precision we are chasing.

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<v Speaker 2>Which brings us directly back to our dark, freezing lunar crater.

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<v Speaker 2>We know the Shackleton crator is sitting at a very

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<v Speaker 2>chilly fifty kelvin. That is incredibly cold. It slows down

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<v Speaker 2>a massive amount of that thermal jitter. It does, But

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<v Speaker 2>fifty kelvin is actually not cold enough for the absolute

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<v Speaker 2>perfection we are aiming for here. The physicists need to

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<v Speaker 2>reach a very specific magic number sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Kelvin exactly sixteen kelvin.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, if the ambient environment of the crater floor itself

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<v Speaker 2>is fifty kelvin, how does the machine get colder than

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<v Speaker 2>the dirt it's sitting on. Are we plugging in some giant,

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<v Speaker 2>power hungry cosmic refrigerator down there, because that seems like

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<v Speaker 2>it would defeat the whole purpose of going to a

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<v Speaker 2>dead quiet zone.

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<v Speaker 3>You've hit on one of the most brilliant engineering solutions

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<v Speaker 3>in this entire architecture. It raises a fascinating point about

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<v Speaker 3>how we engineer things for the deep space environment compared

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<v Speaker 3>to how we do it on Earth. Okay, if you

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<v Speaker 3>you want to cool a silicon block down to exactly

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen kelvin, you have to build a massive, incredibly complex

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<v Speaker 3>piece of machinery called a cryostat.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. I've seen pictures of those. They look like giant

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<v Speaker 2>metal barrels covered in wires and tubes.

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<v Speaker 3>They are absolute beasts. They require huge amounts of electrical power,

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<v Speaker 3>constant maintenance, and they often rely on circulating liquid helium

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<v Speaker 3>as a coolant. And here is the brutal irony of

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<v Speaker 3>the whole setup. What's that the machinery itself, the pumps,

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<v Speaker 3>the compressors, pushing the liquid helium around creates severe mechanical vibration.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, so you cool the silicon down to stop

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<v Speaker 3>thermal jitter. But in doing so you introduce mechanical shaking

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<v Speaker 3>from the refrigerator. You then have to build elaborate actively

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<v Speaker 3>controlled isolation tables just to float the cavity and protect

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<v Speaker 3>it from the very machine that is cooling it. It

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<v Speaker 3>is an engineering nightmare of cascading complexities.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds exhausting it is.

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<v Speaker 3>But on the Moon, inside this permanently shadowed crater, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't need active machinery. We don't need liquid helium pumps.

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<v Speaker 3>We can use the geometry of the universe passively.

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<v Speaker 2>So no power cords, no liquid coolants vibrating the table, just.

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<v Speaker 3>Physics, just physics.

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<v Speaker 2>How exactly do we get it from fifty down to

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen without a.

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<v Speaker 3>Refrigerator by utilizing radiative cooling, specifically through deployable radiation panels.

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<v Speaker 3>The housing of the optical cavity is equipped with thermal

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<v Speaker 3>panels that literally unfold once the rover places the instrument

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<v Speaker 3>on the crater floor. And what these panels do is

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<v Speaker 3>they look up up. Yes, they point away from the

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<v Speaker 3>fifty kelvin lunar dirt, and they look directly out into

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<v Speaker 3>the infinite deep abyss of outer space.

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<v Speaker 2>And space is colder than the greater.

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<v Speaker 3>Vastly colder. Deep space has a background temperature of about

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<v Speaker 3>two point seven kelvin. That is the cosmic microwave background,

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<v Speaker 3>the fading residual radiation left over from the Big Bang itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, the laws of thermo dynamics dictate that heat naturally

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<v Speaker 3>flows from warmer objects to colder objects through the Steffon

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<v Speaker 3>Boltzmann law. An object will radiate its thermal energy away

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<v Speaker 3>as infrared light. Because the panels are looking at a

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<v Speaker 3>two point seven kelvin sky, the residual heat inside the

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<v Speaker 3>fifty kelvin silicon block travels up to the panels and

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<v Speaker 3>is radiated away, lost forever into the infinite heat sink

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<v Speaker 3>of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, honestly mind bending. The machine cools itself simply

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<v Speaker 2>by exposing its heat to the infinite cold of deep space.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like opening a window in winter to cool down

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<v Speaker 2>a hot room. But the window opens into the cosmic void.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great analogy.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, if it's looking at a two point seven

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<v Speaker 2>kelvin's guy, why isn't just keep cooling down until it

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<v Speaker 2>hits two point seven kelvin? Why does it stop at sixteen?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that is where the careful thermal engineering comes in.

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<v Speaker 3>The silicon block isn't just floating in space. It is

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<v Speaker 3>still physically near the fifty kelvin lunar surface. Even with

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<v Speaker 3>heavy thermal shielding around the bottom and sides of the instrument,

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<v Speaker 3>A tiny amount of heat from the lunar dirt will

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<v Speaker 3>slowly conduct or radiate into the device, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It's leaking a tiny bit of heat in from.

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<v Speaker 3>The ground exactly. So the engineers design the surface area

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<v Speaker 3>of the radiation panels very precisely. The panels dump heat

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<v Speaker 3>into space at a specific rate, while the shielding allows

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<v Speaker 3>a microscopic trickle of heat in from the ground. When

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<v Speaker 3>those two rates perfectly balance each other out, the system

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<v Speaker 3>reaches thermal equilibrium.

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<v Speaker 2>I see.

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<v Speaker 3>By designing the panels correctly, they can ensure that this

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<v Speaker 3>equilibrium point lands exactly at sixteen kelvin. It is a natural,

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<v Speaker 3>free vibration free cryogenic freezer.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I understand how we get to sixteen calvin now,

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<v Speaker 2>but why sixteen kelvin? Specifically, why go through all the

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<v Speaker 2>trouble of unfolding panels and balancing heat laws. Why not

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<v Speaker 2>just balance it at twenty kelvin or try to push

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<v Speaker 3>To ten, Because at exactly sixteen kelvin, crystalline silicon exhibits

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<v Speaker 3>a miraculous, counterintuitive physical property. Its coefficient of thermal expansion

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<v Speaker 3>crosses zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's pause and make sure we totally grasp that. You're

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<v Speaker 2>saying it's coefficient of thermal expansion basically the rate at

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<v Speaker 2>which it changes size when the temperature changes becomes zero. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but earlier we said everything shrinks when it gets colder

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<v Speaker 2>and expands when it gets warmer. Are you saying silicon

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<v Speaker 2>just stop shrinking at sixteen kelvin? Why would a physical

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<v Speaker 2>material just decide to stop obeying that rule.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't stop obeying the rules. It's just a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of two different quantum effects perfectly canceling each other out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh quantum effects.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, it gets a bit deep into solid state physics,

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<v Speaker 3>but essentially, the atoms in a silicon crystal are bound

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<v Speaker 3>together in a lattice as you cool it down. The

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<v Speaker 3>primary effect is that the atoms vibrate less, so they

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<v Speaker 2>Shrinks right the normal shrinking.

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<v Speaker 3>However, at very low temperatures, you also have to consider

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<v Speaker 3>the specific shape of the energetic bonds between the atoms

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<v Speaker 3>and the behavior of phonons. Phonons are quantized tackets of

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<v Speaker 3>vibrational energy in silicon. Below about one hundred and twenty kelvin,

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<v Speaker 3>certain low energy phonons actually cause the lattice to pull inward.

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<v Speaker 3>As you keep dropping the temperature, the dynamics between the

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<v Speaker 3>standard thermal contraction and these specific phonon interactions shift right

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<v Speaker 3>At exactly sixteen kelvin, the tendency of the material to

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<v Speaker 3>expand due to one effect is perfectly exactly matched by

431
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<v Speaker 3>its tendency to contract due to the other.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a thermodynamic tug of war, and at exactly

433
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<v Speaker 2>sixteen kelvin, it's a dead tie exactly.

434
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<v Speaker 3>The atomic lattice of the silicon reaches a perfect equilibrium.

435
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<v Speaker 3>What this means in practice is that right at that

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<v Speaker 3>specific temperature, if the silicon experience is a tiny microscopic

437
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<v Speaker 3>fluctuation and heat, let's say a micrometeorite hits a rock

438
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<v Speaker 3>a mile away, and a microscopic pulse of infrared energy

439
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<v Speaker 3>washes over the crater, warming the silicon by a thousandth

440
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<v Speaker 3>of a degree. The silicon neither expands nor contracts. It

441
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<v Speaker 3>becomes thermally immune. It freezes perfectly in place.

442
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<v Speaker 2>That is the magic trick. So at sixteen kelvin, the

443
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<v Speaker 2>distance between our two mirrors becomes essentially locked in. Stone

444
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<v Speaker 2>is physically incapable of changing, even at the temperature wabbles slightly.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Is the perfect unmoving, indestructible guitar neck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. And because we are sitting in a crater with

447
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<v Speaker 3>no wind to buffet the casing, no seismic shaking from

448
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<v Speaker 3>the ground, no sunlight to create massive thermal shocks, and

449
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<v Speaker 3>we are passively cool to the exact temperature where the

450
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<v Speaker 3>material physically cannot expand or contract, we have finally achieved

451
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<v Speaker 3>the geometry of absolute stillness. Wow, the space trap between

452
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<v Speaker 3>those mirrors is now experiencing a perfectly stable physical reality. Right.

453
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<v Speaker 2>This is a huge milestone in our discussion. We have

454
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<v Speaker 2>built this incredibly stable box, this sixteen kelvin silicon cavity,

455
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<v Speaker 2>sitting in the dark maintaining this perfect distance between two mirrors.

456
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<v Speaker 2>But a box with mirrors doesn't do anything on its own, No,

457
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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. It's just an empty cold stage. Now we

458
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<v Speaker 2>have to actually introduce the light, and this is where

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<v Speaker 2>we get to the concept of the laser lock.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, the silicon cavity itself isn't generating any light. It

461
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<v Speaker 3>is just a filter. We have to bring a laser

462
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<v Speaker 3>source with us.

463
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<v Speaker 2>The plan is to take a commercially available laser, something

464
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<v Speaker 2>high end but fundamentally something you can theoretically build on Earth,

465
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<v Speaker 2>and place it nearby. Maybe the laser sits right on

466
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<v Speaker 2>the rim of the crater where it can catch some

467
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<v Speaker 2>sunlight to power its electronics, or maybe it sits down

468
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<v Speaker 2>inside the crater next to the cavity, powered by a cable.

469
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<v Speaker 2>Either way, this commercial laser fires a beam, and a

470
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<v Speaker 2>small amount of that light is directed down a fiber

471
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<v Speaker 2>optic cable and inject it into our ultra cold, perfectly

472
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<v Speaker 2>still optical cavity. And the cavity does something profound to

473
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<v Speaker 2>the laser. It locks it.

474
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<v Speaker 3>It does.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Let's break down what a laser lock actually is.

476
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<v Speaker 3>To understand the lock, we first have to understand the

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<v Speaker 3>inherent flaw in standard lasers. If you take a standard

478
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<v Speaker 3>commercial laser, even a very expensive one used in a laboratory,

479
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<v Speaker 3>and you turn it on to the human eye, it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like a perfectly steady beam.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Of light, right. It just looks like a solid beam.

482
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But if you measure it with enough precision, you'll

483
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<v Speaker 3>see that the frequency, the exact specific color of that

484
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<v Speaker 3>light is constantly wandering.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Why does it wander? Shouldn't a laser just emit one color.

486
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<v Speaker 3>In a perfect theoretical world. Yes, But a real laser

487
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<v Speaker 3>relies on physical components. It has internal diodes that get hot,

488
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<v Speaker 3>It has a power supply that might have microfluctuations in current.

489
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<v Speaker 3>The internal cavity of the laser itself vibrates slightly.

490
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<v Speaker 2>So it's a victim to all those physical imperfections we

491
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<v Speaker 2>talked about.

492
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. All of these physical imperfections cause the frequency of

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<v Speaker 3>the emitted light to drift over time. It wanders around

494
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<v Speaker 3>the target frequency. In physics, we refer to this as

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<v Speaker 3>a wild or free running laser. It is a relatively

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<v Speaker 3>broad line with meaning the color is smearing out slightly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try another analogy here. Let's picture that

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<v Speaker 2>commercial layer as a wild, incredibly fast horse. It has

499
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<v Speaker 2>a ton of energy. It's powerful. But if you put

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<v Speaker 2>it in an open field until it to run straight

501
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<v Speaker 2>at exactly thirty miles per hour, it's gonna fail. It's

502
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<v Speaker 2>going to run a little to the left, a little

503
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<v Speaker 2>to the right, it'll be up to thirty one. It'll

504
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<v Speaker 2>slid out of twenty nine. It's totally unpredictable. Sure, the

505
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<v Speaker 2>optical silicon cavity is like a perfectly sized, inescapable, walled

506
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<v Speaker 2>in circular track. You take that wild horse and you

507
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<v Speaker 2>force it onto the track, and suddenly, because the track

508
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<v Speaker 2>never changes size or shape, the horse is forced to

509
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<v Speaker 2>run at one exact, unwavering speed in a perfect circle.

510
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<v Speaker 2>It has no choice but to conform to the physical

511
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<v Speaker 2>constraints of the track.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the imagery, but let's refine it a bit

513
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<v Speaker 3>to capture the actual mechanism of the lock. Because the

514
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<v Speaker 3>cavity isn't just a passive physical barrier the light bumps

515
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<v Speaker 3>into Oh it's not no, it's an active electronic feedback loop.

516
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<v Speaker 3>It's more like putting a monitor on the horse that

517
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<v Speaker 3>actively shocks it if it speeds up or slows down.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Okay.

519
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<v Speaker 3>Here is how the lock often achieve using a method

520
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:15.440
<v Speaker 3>called the Pound driver Hall technique actually functions. The Wild

521
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<v Speaker 3>laser sends its light into the sixteen Calvin cavity. Remember,

522
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<v Speaker 3>because of its absolute stillness, the cavity only allows one exact,

523
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<v Speaker 3>ultra precise frequency to resonate and build up a standing wave.

524
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<v Speaker 3>The system has a photodetector, a highly sensitive light sensor

525
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.359
<v Speaker 3>measuring the light that bounces off or escrips the cavity.

526
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<v Speaker 3>If the Wild laser drifts even a billionth of a

527
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<v Speaker 3>percentage point away from that exact resonant frequency, the light

528
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<v Speaker 3>will suddenly stop resonating perfectly inside the silicon block.

529
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<v Speaker 2>It goes out a tune and the way starts to

530
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<v Speaker 2>collapse exactly.

531
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<v Speaker 3>The photo detector instantly sees this drop in resonance. It

532
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<v Speaker 3>generates an error signal. That error signal is fed into

533
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<v Speaker 3>a PID controller, which is an electronic processor which calculates

534
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<v Speaker 3>exactly how far the laser drifted. The control then fires

535
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<v Speaker 3>a lightning fast electronic signal back up the cable to

536
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<v Speaker 3>the wild commercial laser. It tells the laser's internal components,

537
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<v Speaker 3>usually by adjusting the current or physically tweaking a tiny

538
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<v Speaker 3>piezo crystal on the laser's own internal mirror. You are

539
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<v Speaker 3>drifting too high. Lower your frequency immediately.

540
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<v Speaker 2>Oh So, the cavity and the laser are constantly talking.

541
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<v Speaker 3>To each continuously, billions of times a second. It is

542
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<v Speaker 3>a relentless aggressive feedback loop. The perfectly still cavity acts

543
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<v Speaker 3>as the ultimate unforgiving reference point. It disciplines the commercial laser,

544
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<v Speaker 3>instantly correcting its natural tendency.

545
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<v Speaker 2>To wander LUs wild.

546
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<v Speaker 3>Through this constant, high speed electronic correction, the laser is

547
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<v Speaker 3>forced to emit a single, unwavering color. The frequency of

548
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 3>the light becomes a permanent, unmoving constant anchored to the

549
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<v Speaker 3>physical perfection of the sixteen kelvin silicon block.

550
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<v Speaker 2>That is honestly beautiful. Let's just summarize what we've achieved

551
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<v Speaker 2>so far. We have taken the absolute chaos and noise

552
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<v Speaker 2>of the physical world. We stripped it away by hiding

553
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<v Speaker 2>in a dark fifty kelvin lunar crater where the sun

554
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<v Speaker 2>never shines and the vacuum is deep. We cooled a

555
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<v Speaker 2>block of crystalline silicon to exactly sixteen kelvin, so it

556
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<v Speaker 2>freezes its physical dimensions perfectly, making it totally immune to

557
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<v Speaker 2>thermal expansion, and then we use that frozen physical distance

558
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<v Speaker 2>to electronically discipline a wild laser into giving us a perfect,

559
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<v Speaker 2>unchanging beam of light.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the sequence.

561
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<v Speaker 2>It is an absolute triumph of physics and engineering. But

562
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<v Speaker 2>here's the massive pivot.

563
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<v Speaker 3>Why do we care yes, the so what of the

564
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<v Speaker 3>entire endeavor?

565
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly because I'm assuming space agencies aren't going to spend

566
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 2>billions of dollars in risk landing a rover in a

567
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<v Speaker 2>pitch black lunar trench just to prove we can make

568
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<v Speaker 2>a really steady beam of light. Now that we possess

569
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<v Speaker 2>a laser with an unwavering frequency, how does this purely

570
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<v Speaker 2>physical achievement transform into the tools we actually need for

571
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<v Speaker 2>space exploration, specifically timekeeping and navigation. How does a steady

572
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<v Speaker 2>beam of light become a clock?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is where we have to explore the profound

574
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<v Speaker 3>fundamental between light frequency and time. When we ask what

575
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<v Speaker 3>is a clock, we are really asking what is the

576
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<v Speaker 3>most reliable repeating physical event we can count?

577
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, counting events right?

578
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<v Speaker 3>If you want to measure the passage of time, you

579
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<v Speaker 3>need something that ticks. A grandfather clock counts the mechanical

580
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<v Speaker 3>swings of a pendulum. One swing equals one second. A

581
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<v Speaker 3>quartz watch like the one you might wear on your wrist,

582
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<v Speaker 3>counts the physical vibrations of a tiny tuning fork made

583
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<v Speaker 3>of quartz crystal when electricity runs through. It makes sense,

584
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<v Speaker 3>but pendulums are affected by variations in gravity and air resistance.

585
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:39.359
<v Speaker 3>Quartz crystals expand and contract with the temperature of your wrists.

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<v Speaker 2>They drift just like the wild laser. The ticks aren't

587
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<v Speaker 2>perfectly uniform.

588
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.640
<v Speaker 3>Precisely, if your ticks aren't uniform, your clock loses or

589
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:49.200
<v Speaker 3>gains time. So to make the ultimate clock, you need

590
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<v Speaker 3>a pendulum that swings incredibly fast, so you can slice

591
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<v Speaker 3>time into infinitesimally small pieces. And it must never ever

592
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<v Speaker 3>change its pace.

593
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<v Speaker 2>And this is where light comes in.

594
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<v Speaker 3>This is where light comes in. Light isn't a electromagnetic wave.

595
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<v Speaker 3>It has peaks and troughs. The frequency of light is

596
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<v Speaker 3>simply a measurement of how many of those wave peaks

597
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<v Speaker 3>pass a given point in one single second.

598
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm tracking with you now.

599
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<v Speaker 3>A laser that is locked to our sixteen kelvin optical

600
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<v Speaker 3>cavity is emitting a light wave that oscillates at an

601
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<v Speaker 3>incredibly high frequency. We are talking on the order of

602
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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of terahertz, hundreds of trillions of oscillations per second.

603
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<v Speaker 3>That's a lot of ticks, it is, and because the

604
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<v Speaker 3>silken cavity is perfectly stable, the frequency of that light

605
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<v Speaker 3>never changes. Every single oscillation, every single peak of that

606
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<v Speaker 3>wave is an absolutely perfect, unvarying tick. By building electronics

607
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<v Speaker 3>that can literally count the peaks of this perfect LightWave

608
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<v Speaker 3>as they fly past, we are essentially reading the most

609
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<v Speaker 3>precise ticking clock imaginable. An unchanging optical frequency.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a clock. So instead of counting one swing of

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<v Speaker 2>a brass penilum per second, we're counting roughly four hundred

612
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<v Speaker 2>trillion swings of a LightWave per second. Exactly because because

613
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<v Speaker 2>those swings never speed up or slow down thanks to

614
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<v Speaker 2>the frozen silicon, we know exactly how much time has passed.

615
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:09.319
<v Speaker 2>The laser itself acts as a master time signal, and

616
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<v Speaker 2>this setup would essentially form the backbone of the first

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<v Speaker 2>extraterrestrial optical atomic clock.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the goal. And to understand how big of

619
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<v Speaker 3>a deal that is, you have to realize that this

620
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<v Speaker 3>lunar optical clock would rival the most precise, meticulously built

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<v Speaker 3>atomic clocks we currently have sitting in massive climate controlled

622
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<v Speaker 3>labratories on Earth. We are essentially taking the absolute peak

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<v Speaker 3>of human time keeping capability, compressing it into a small package,

624
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<v Speaker 3>and permanently installing it on the lunar surface.

625
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<v Speaker 2>And we desperately need it up there, because if humanity

626
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<v Speaker 2>is going to have a permanent or even a semi

627
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 2>permanent presence on the Moon with base camps and rovers,

628
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<v Speaker 2>time is infrastructure right now. If a spacecraft goes to

629
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<v Speaker 2>a moon, how does it know what time it is

630
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<v Speaker 2>and how does it navigate? It has to rely on

631
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<v Speaker 2>the deep space network, right It relies on time signals

632
00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.559
<v Speaker 2>and navigation data beamed all the way from Earth, which is.

633
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<v Speaker 3>A massive bottleneck. Space is vast and the speed of

634
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<v Speaker 3>light is finite. Radio signals take time to travel from

635
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<v Speaker 3>Earth to the Moon roughly one point three seconds each way.

636
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<v Speaker 3>By the time a navigation signal reaches a spacecraft entering

637
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<v Speaker 3>a complex lunar orbit, the data is already slightly old,

638
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 3>the spacecraft has moved. Furthermore, the deep space network antennas

639
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<v Speaker 3>on Earth are overbooked. They are trying to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>Mars rovers, Jupiter probes and solar orbiters all at once.

641
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<v Speaker 3>You cannot run a busy populated lunar outpost if your

642
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<v Speaker 3>entire navigation and timing system relies on a delayed ping

643
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:33.839
<v Speaker 3>from a busy antenna on.

644
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<v Speaker 2>Earth, which brings us to the whole concept of an

645
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<v Speaker 2>extraterrestrial GPS. Let's ground this. When you use GPS on

646
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<v Speaker 2>Earth to drive your car to a coffee shop, your

647
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 2>phone doesn't just magically know where it is. It is

648
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>communicating with a network of satellites orbiting the Earth, and

649
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>the way GPF actually works is entirely based on time.

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<v Speaker 3>Completely. Every single GPS satellite has an atomic clock on

651
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 3>board the satellite broadcaster radio signal that basically says, I

652
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<v Speaker 3>am satellite number four, and exactly when I sent this message,

653
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.119
<v Speaker 3>my clock read twelve point zero zero zero zero point

654
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.640
<v Speaker 3>zero zero zero. Your phone receives that signal, your phone

655
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 3>compares the time the signal was sent to the time

656
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 3>your phone received it. Because radio waves travel at the

657
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.599
<v Speaker 3>speed of light, which is a known constant, your phone

658
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.079
<v Speaker 3>can calculate exactly how far away that satellite is based

659
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<v Speaker 3>on how long the signal took to arrive.

660
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 2>The time of flight, Yes.

661
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.519
<v Speaker 3>Time of flight and if your phone receives those signals

662
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<v Speaker 3>from four different satellites at the same time, it uses

663
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:33.400
<v Speaker 3>geometry trilateration to intersect those distances and pinpoint your exact

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<v Speaker 3>location on the globe down to a few meters. But

665
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 3>here is the catch. You cannot have accurate navigation without

666
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<v Speaker 3>absolutely perfect time keeping. Light travels at roughly one foot

667
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<v Speaker 3>per nanar second. If the clock on a GPS satellite

668
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<v Speaker 3>drifts by even a single microsecond, just one millionth of

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<v Speaker 3>a second, your phone's calculation will be off by nearly

670
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<v Speaker 3>one thousand feet. Your map will tell you that you

671
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<v Speaker 3>are driving into a river.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be a problem. Now take that exact problem

673
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and put it on the Moon. Imagine you are piloting

674
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 2>a spacecraft. You are attempting to land near the lunar

675
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>South Pole to access that water ice we talked about earlier.

676
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:14.960
<v Speaker 2>You were aiming for a tiny landing zone surrounded by treacherous,

677
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>jagged mountains, and because the sun angle of the pole

678
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.639
<v Speaker 2>is so low, kind of skimming the horizon, half the

679
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:26.480
<v Speaker 2>landscape is completely shrouded in deep, permanent pitch black shadows.

680
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<v Speaker 2>It is incredibly difficult to see where you are going.

681
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<v Speaker 2>The illumination contrast is just terrible.

682
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<v Speaker 3>It is arguably the most hazardous lighting environment in the

683
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<v Speaker 3>Solar System for a pilot or a landing computer. You

684
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 3>cannot just eyeball the landing out the window without a

685
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:45.159
<v Speaker 3>perfect local navigation system. Landing spacecraft in those regions is

686
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.400
<v Speaker 3>incredibly dangerous. It's a game of blind luck.

687
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 2>But if you have this ultra stable laser, this optical

688
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.000
<v Speaker 2>clock sitting in the Shackleton Crater below, broadcasting a master

689
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.320
<v Speaker 2>time signal to a small constellation of lunar orbiters, yeah,

690
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.199
<v Speaker 2>you instantly have a high precision local lunar GPS.

691
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<v Speaker 3>Precisely The incoming spacecraft can read those time signals, calculate

692
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<v Speaker 3>its exact distance from the surface and the surrounding mountains

693
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 3>down to the millimeter, and navigate a precise, safe choreography

694
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:17.360
<v Speaker 3>directly into the landing zone, completely independent of Earth. The

695
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 3>laser hidden in the dark essentially illuminates the invisible navigational

696
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<v Speaker 3>path for the spacecraft in the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible. Whoever establishes a reliable, independent timescale on the

698
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Moon essentially dictates the infrastructure for all future human exploration

699
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.960
<v Speaker 2>in the Solar System, where building the roads, the traffic

700
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.360
<v Speaker 2>lights and the maps of the lunar surface, and they

701
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:41.280
<v Speaker 2>are made entirely of perfectly timed light. Every probe, every rover,

702
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:44.639
<v Speaker 2>every astronaut will synchronize their operations to the rhythm of

703
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:46.559
<v Speaker 2>that sixteen kelvin block of silicon.

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00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 3>It becomes the heartbeat of the lunar economy. But it

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00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 3>doesn't stop at logistics and navigation.

706
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<v Speaker 2>And this is where my mind truly gets blown, because

707
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<v Speaker 2>as much as I love the idea of lunar GPS

708
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.559
<v Speaker 2>saving spacecraft from crashing into mountains, the physicists proposing this

709
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>architecture didn't stop there. No, they didn't. They realized that

710
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>once you have a laser that perfectly stable, a clock

711
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:11.679
<v Speaker 2>that precise, it doesn't just broadcast time for ships. It listens.

712
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:16.360
<v Speaker 2>It becomes a tool to measure the universe itself. The

713
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>plan suggests that if astronauts install a network of these lasers.

714
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<v Speaker 2>Let's say we put multiple optical cavities in different craters

715
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 2>across the lunar surface, they could measure the exact physical

716
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 2>distances between those craters with extreme precision. Right, and this

717
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:33.360
<v Speaker 2>precision is so ridiculously high it could act as a

718
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>planetary scale detector. For exotic physics, specifically gravitational waves.

719
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<v Speaker 3>This is where we cross from complex engineering into fundamental astrophysics.

720
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<v Speaker 3>A gravitational wave is one of the most violent massive

721
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.239
<v Speaker 3>events in the cosmos, yet its effect on us is

722
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.920
<v Speaker 3>incredibly subtle, making it fiendishly difficult to detect. When two

723
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<v Speaker 3>super massive black holes collide billions of light years away,

724
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<v Speaker 3>the sheer force of that collision doesn't just create an

725
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.159
<v Speaker 3>explosion of light or matter. The mass involved is so

726
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.199
<v Speaker 3>huge and moving so fast that it literally ripples the

727
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:05.639
<v Speaker 3>fabric of space time itself.

728
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.559
<v Speaker 2>We always hear that phrase in sci fi and documentaries,

729
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.320
<v Speaker 2>the fabric of space time. I want to try and

730
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>visualize this for everyone. Usually, when we think of a wave,

731
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 2>we think of a wave moving through space, like a

732
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 2>sound wave moving through the air or water wave moving

733
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:24.039
<v Speaker 2>across the surface of a pond. The air and the

734
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.119
<v Speaker 2>water are the mediums that carry the energy.

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00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 3>That's the classic visualization.

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<v Speaker 2>But a gravitational wave is not a wave moving through space.

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00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 2>It is a wave of space.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the crucial mind bending distinction. Space itself is

739
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the medium. The distance between objects physically changes not because

740
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 3>the objects are moving, but because the space between them

741
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 3>is warping.

742
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so picture that pond again. If space is the

743
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.320
<v Speaker 2>water of the pond, and two black holes crash together,

744
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 2>it's like dropping a massive boulder into the pond. A

745
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:57.159
<v Speaker 2>ripple moves outward in all directions at the speed of light.

746
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<v Speaker 2>When that ripple, that gravitational wave eventually washes over our

747
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>solar system, washes over the Earth, or washes over the Moon.

748
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.039
<v Speaker 2>What physically happens to the Moon.

749
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.119
<v Speaker 3>The Moon literally squishes and stretches.

750
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.119
<v Speaker 2>You mean the solid rock of the moon.

751
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.800
<v Speaker 3>The solid rock, the dust, the craters, the core. Everything.

752
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.400
<v Speaker 3>As the wave passes through the three dimensional volume metric

753
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 3>space that the Moon occupies is temporarily distorted. It stretches

754
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 3>along one axis and compresses along another, and then oscillates back.

755
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to wrap my head around it is.

756
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 3>If you had two points on the Moon, say two

757
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 3>craters separated by exactly one hundred kilometers, As the gravitational

758
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.000
<v Speaker 3>wave washes over them, the physical distance between those two

759
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.800
<v Speaker 3>craters will increase slightly and then decrease slightly. We are

760
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.079
<v Speaker 3>talking about a change in distance that is infinitesimally small.

761
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 3>It might be a shift smaller than the width of

762
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 3>a single atomic nucleus.

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00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.320
<v Speaker 2>And normally you would never ever notice that if my

764
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 2>car suddenly stretched by the width of an atom and

765
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>then went back to normal, I wouldn't feel it. A

766
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.599
<v Speaker 2>normal telescope couldn't see it, A normal wild laser couldn't

767
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:04.679
<v Speaker 2>measure it exactly because, if I understand correctly, if you

768
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>try to use a normal laser as a ruler to

769
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 2>measure the distance between those craters, the frequency of the

770
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.960
<v Speaker 2>wild laser drifts so much that the rule you're using

771
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 2>is vibrating more than the distance is actually changing. You've

772
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:16.639
<v Speaker 2>got it.

773
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:20.039
<v Speaker 3>The intrinsic noise and thermal drift of a normal laser

774
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 3>completely drowns out the incredibly faint signal of a gravitational wave.

775
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:26.760
<v Speaker 3>You are basically trying to hear a pin drop at

776
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.719
<v Speaker 3>a rock concert. This is why we build massive billion

777
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 3>dollar facilities on Earth like LIGO.

778
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory.

779
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Ligo uses giant four kilometer long vacuum tubes and

780
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.679
<v Speaker 3>massive suspended mirrors to try and isolate their lasers from

781
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.039
<v Speaker 3>Earth's noise to measure these waves. But Earth is noisy.

782
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Trucks drive by the ocean crashes against the shore miles away.

783
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 3>There are micro earthquakes. It requires herculean engineering to filter

784
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:54.159
<v Speaker 3>all that out.

785
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>But the Moon is a dead rock, and our lunar

786
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>laser are perfectly disciplined beam of light tied to that

787
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.599
<v Speaker 2>sixteen kelvin silicon block in the dark, it is almost

788
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:04.039
<v Speaker 2>zero noise. Its frequency is.

789
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 3>Absolute right, So we set up an interferometry experiment on

790
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.840
<v Speaker 3>the Moon. You point this ultra stable laser from one

791
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.519
<v Speaker 3>crater station to another crater station. You measure the distance

792
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:18.679
<v Speaker 3>using that perfect light. Because the frequency is so incredibly stable,

793
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<v Speaker 3>if a gravitational wave passes by and the Moon squishes

794
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.360
<v Speaker 3>by a fraction of an atom, the laser beam will

795
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 3>detect it.

796
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 2>How does it actually detect it mechanically.

797
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, the perfectly stable light will suddenly take a tiny

798
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.320
<v Speaker 3>fraction of a fraction of a nanosecond longer to reach

799
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.639
<v Speaker 3>the target crater because the target physically moved away as

800
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<v Speaker 3>space stretched.

801
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh, because the distance change.

802
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, the phase of the light wave shifts. By comparing

803
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 3>the phase of the scent light with the received light,

804
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Speaker 3>we can measure that subatomic movement.

805
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 2>We have accidentally built the ultimate physics laboratory, A piece

806
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>of technology, initially designed to give us GPS coordinates for

807
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:57.719
<v Speaker 2>an ice mining rover, doubles as a giant planetary scale

808
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 2>antenna for the most massive cosmic of in the universe.

809
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>We can literally sit in a dark, freezing hole in

810
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the lunar dirt and feel the microscopic ripples of supermassive

811
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>black holes colliding at the edge of the observable universe.

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00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 3>It is the beauty of pushing fundamental limits. When you

813
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:18.199
<v Speaker 3>push technology to the absolute physical limit of stability, it

814
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.960
<v Speaker 3>naturally becomes a window into the subtle underlying mechanics of

815
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.800
<v Speaker 3>the universe. By silencing the noise of thimer dynamics, by

816
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:28.480
<v Speaker 3>hiding from the heat of the sun, we allow ourselves

817
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.480
<v Speaker 3>to hear the quietest, most elusive whispers of gravity.

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00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 2>That is profound. Yeah, but as much as we are

819
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.440
<v Speaker 2>sitting here talking about perfect physics, zero expansion coefficients and

820
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.679
<v Speaker 2>deep space mysteries, someone actually has to build this thing.

821
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 2>The logistics of turning this from a mathematical theory into

822
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.119
<v Speaker 2>a real object sitting in a lunar crater are staggering.

823
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Physicist Junie, who is an absolute legend in the world

824
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>of lasers and precision measurements. Apparently initially view this as

825
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:56.400
<v Speaker 2>a crazy.

826
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.119
<v Speaker 3>Idea, and you can completely understand his initial skepticism. Think

827
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.400
<v Speaker 3>about the reality of what is being proposed. You were

828
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:05.760
<v Speaker 3>taking the most delicate, vibration sensitive instrument known to modern science,

829
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 3>something that normally sits on massive air floated optical tables

830
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.440
<v Speaker 3>in climate controlled underground bunkers on Earth, and you want

831
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 3>to strap it to a rocket. You want to blast

832
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:20.119
<v Speaker 3>it into space, surviving the violent acoustic shaking and g

833
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.800
<v Speaker 3>forces of launch, you fly it to the Moon, and

834
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<v Speaker 3>then you somehow drop it into a pitch black abyss

835
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.119
<v Speaker 3>without breaking it. It sounds assurd, It.

836
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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like a recipe for a very expensive pile of

837
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>shattered silicon.

838
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:35.400
<v Speaker 3>But then physicists started consulting with colleagues who actually study

839
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.719
<v Speaker 3>the lunar surface, looking at the actual empirical data of

840
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 3>those permanently shadowed regions, and the narrative completely flipped. So

841
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 3>they realized that the exact ingredients needed for the silicon

842
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.800
<v Speaker 3>cavity to function, the extreme vibration isolation, the ultra high vacuum,

843
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.480
<v Speaker 3>the cryogenic temperatures, they were naturally freely available down there.

844
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<v Speaker 3>The crazy idea wasn't crazy because the environment was hostile

845
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.320
<v Speaker 3>of the machine. The idea was brilliant because because the

846
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.239
<v Speaker 3>environment was perfectly naturally tailored for it.

847
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.039
<v Speaker 2>And the saving grace is the size. Right, the device

848
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>itself isn't massive. The core silicon optical cavity and its

849
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>housing are small enough to easily fit inside a standard

850
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>lunar spacecraft or commercial lunar lander. It doesn't require a massive,

851
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:21.719
<v Speaker 2>dedicated heavy lift rocket just for itself. It can piggyback

852
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.679
<v Speaker 2>as a secondary payload. The complex part is that it

853
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 2>must be fully assembled, perfectly aligned, and calibrated here on

854
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Earth before launch.

855
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 3>Which leads directly to the deployment challenge. On the lunar surface.

856
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 3>You have this fully assembled microscopic precision instrument, you successfully

857
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.480
<v Speaker 3>land your spacecraft somewhere on the rim near the south Pole.

858
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Now you have to actually get it into the shadow.

859
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:46.320
<v Speaker 3>This final step is incredibly challenging, primarily because of the

860
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 3>lighting conditions.

861
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, as we said, the lighting is terrible. It's deep shadow,

862
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.679
<v Speaker 2>and we can't exactly send an astronaut on a hike

863
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:56.519
<v Speaker 2>down into a pitch black crater carrying a priceless physics experiment.

864
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 2>The terrain is unknown, the regulith is loose, and if

865
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>their spacesuit heating system fails in fifty kelvin, they die exactly.

866
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:07.519
<v Speaker 3>Human deployment into the deep crater is out of the

867
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:12.119
<v Speaker 3>question for now. The operational plan involves a specialized lunar rover.

868
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 3>This rover could be remotely controlled from Earth, though you

869
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.599
<v Speaker 3>have to deal with that one point three second communication lag,

870
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 3>or mechanically controlled by astronaut sitting safely in a habitat

871
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:26.199
<v Speaker 3>on the sunlit rim. The rover carefully picks up the instrument,

872
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 3>drives it to the edge, and slowly navigates down the

873
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 3>crater wall into the darkness.

874
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 2>What are the biggest hazards for the rover on that drive?

875
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, besides just.

876
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.639
<v Speaker 3>Falling, aside from driving into an unseen ditch, the two

877
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 3>biggest enemies are power and dust. Without sunlight, the rover

878
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 3>can't use solar panels. It either needs a massive battery

879
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 3>and RTG which is a radioisedtope thermoelectric generator, or it

880
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 3>needs to unspool a physical power cable from a base

881
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 3>station on the rim as it drives down. That makes sense,

882
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:57.880
<v Speaker 3>and then there's the lunar dust. Lunar regolith is incredibly

883
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.320
<v Speaker 3>abrasive and it sticks to everything due to startic electricity.

884
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.280
<v Speaker 3>If a layer of dust gets onto the optical mirrors

885
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.039
<v Speaker 3>or the thermal radiation panels, the instrument is completely ruined.

886
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 3>The rover has to place the instrument gently without kicking

887
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:12.719
<v Speaker 3>up a cloud of debris.

888
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 2>So the rover drives down, fights the dust, fights the darkness,

889
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.599
<v Speaker 2>reaches the target depth where the ambient temperature stabilizes at

890
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.159
<v Speaker 2>fifty kelvin and gently sets the payload down. Then the

891
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 2>deployment sequence begins.

892
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes, the protective covers open the thermal radiation panels we

893
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.679
<v Speaker 3>discussed earlier, unfurl. They point straight up toward the empty

894
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.599
<v Speaker 3>black sky, and that slow passive bleed of infrared heat begins,

895
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.199
<v Speaker 3>dropping the core temperature down to that magical sixteen Calvin limit.

896
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.400
<v Speaker 3>Then the commercial laser, which is sitting safely up on

897
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.239
<v Speaker 3>the rim in the sunlight, is activated. Its light is

898
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.039
<v Speaker 3>piped down the fiber opticable into the darkness. It enters

899
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:52.519
<v Speaker 3>the cavity, the electronic feedbacklock is achieved, and the extraterrestrial

900
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:53.599
<v Speaker 3>clock starts ticking.

901
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.559
<v Speaker 2>What absolutely blows my mind is the timeline they are

902
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.360
<v Speaker 2>discussing for this When you hear about something this complex

903
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:04.679
<v Speaker 2>involving gravitational waves, relativity, and robotic crater deployment, you naturally

904
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:06.960
<v Speaker 2>assume it's a concept paper for the year twenty eighty.

905
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>You'd think so, But the projections estimate that they could

906
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:14.960
<v Speaker 2>actually demonstrate a working silicon optical cavity in lower orbit

907
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.519
<v Speaker 2>within two years, and they could theoretically deploy this on

908
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the lunar surface within three to five years. Three to

909
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>five years. We are not talking about science fiction for

910
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.360
<v Speaker 2>our grandchildren. We were talking about technology that could fly

911
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 2>in the next presidential administration.

912
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.159
<v Speaker 3>The rapid timeline is entirely possible because of the sheer

913
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.599
<v Speaker 3>scale and caliber of the human collaboration behind this project.

914
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 3>You have massive space agencies who are the undisputed masters

915
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 3>of space flight mechanics and rover logistics. You have national

916
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 3>metrology institutes who are the world masters at precision measurement,

917
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:50.400
<v Speaker 3>quantum mechanics, and timekeeping.

918
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everybody's pitching in.

919
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:57.960
<v Speaker 3>It is a highly coordinated, multi agency, international effort pulling

920
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 3>together the absolute best minds in cryogenics, optical physics, and

921
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 3>space exploration. They aren't trying to invent new physics from scratch.

922
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 3>They are taking perfectly understood, proven physics and simply packaging

923
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 3>it for an alien environment.

924
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 2>It is an incredibly elegant technological piggyback. We are already

925
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:19.000
<v Speaker 2>going back to the moon. We have already designated these

926
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 2>exact South Pole regions as the primary landing sites, because,

927
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 2>as we mentioned at the beginning, humanity needs the water

928
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.719
<v Speaker 2>ice hidden in those shadows to survive long term. We

929
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 2>are building a highway to the dark.

930
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 3>We really are.

931
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.800
<v Speaker 2>And the physicists simply looked at the manifest and said, well,

932
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:36.079
<v Speaker 2>since you're heading to the cold, dead dark anyway to

933
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.840
<v Speaker 2>dig for water, do you mind dropping off our laser.

934
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 3>It is the ultimate synergy of space exploration. The brute

935
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.800
<v Speaker 3>force pursuit of basic survival resources creates the logistical bridge

936
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.159
<v Speaker 3>required to deploy the most delicate advanced physics experiments in

937
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.119
<v Speaker 3>human history. We use the pickaxe to pave the way

938
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 3>for the laser.

939
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.199
<v Speaker 2>We have covered an absolutely massive journey in this conversation today.

940
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>We started by peering over the edge into an empty,

941
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:03.599
<v Speaker 2>d freezing pitch black crater, a place that seems completely

942
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.920
<v Speaker 2>apathetical to life and human endeavor, and step by step

943
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:10.320
<v Speaker 2>we unpacked how that exact terrifying nothingness is the key,

944
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:15.079
<v Speaker 2>the fifty kelvin ambient cold, the deep self scrubbing vacuum,

945
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the passive radiation of heat into the cosmos to hit

946
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>that magical sixteen kelvin number where a block of silicon

947
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.199
<v Speaker 2>freezes its physical dimensions perfectly and refuses to expand or contract.

948
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 3>We saw how that frozen stillness allows us to lock

949
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 3>a wild laser, taming its chaotic light into a single, perfect,

950
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.800
<v Speaker 3>unvarying frequency using electronic feedback, right.

951
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:38.840
<v Speaker 2>And how that perfect frequency becomes an extraterrestrial atomic clock

952
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:42.760
<v Speaker 2>counting hundreds of trillions of ticks per second, broadcasting a

953
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.199
<v Speaker 2>master time signal that provides a local lunar GPS to

954
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:49.880
<v Speaker 2>safely guide astronauts down into the dark. And finally, how

955
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:54.360
<v Speaker 2>that exact same laser network becomes so unimaginably precise that

956
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:57.360
<v Speaker 2>it can act as an interferometer, feeling the literal fabric

957
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:01.079
<v Speaker 2>of space time, squishing the Moon as gravityational waves wash

958
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:04.239
<v Speaker 2>over the Solar System. We traveled from a dark hole

959
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.559
<v Speaker 2>in the dirt all the way to the grandest mechanics

960
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:07.239
<v Speaker 2>of the universe.

961
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:11.840
<v Speaker 3>It is a remarkable synthesis of structural engineering and theoretical astrophysics.

962
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.199
<v Speaker 3>I think the biggest takeaway is how it reminds us

963
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:18.840
<v Speaker 3>that environment dictates capability, Yes, exactly. Looking beyond the obvious, bright,

964
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 3>energetic places on the Moon and instead leveraging the extreme

965
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.320
<v Speaker 3>stillness of the shadows, we unlock a completely new era

966
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.800
<v Speaker 3>of precision science. It fundamentally shifts our relationship with the

967
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 3>lunar surface. The moon is no longer just a destination

968
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.239
<v Speaker 3>to plant a flag. It is becoming an active, participating

969
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.920
<v Speaker 3>instrument in our quest to measure and understand reality.

970
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:39.679
<v Speaker 2>Which leads me with a thought that I want to

971
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 2>pass directly to you listening right now. The next time

972
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 2>you walk outside at night and look up at the

973
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.480
<v Speaker 2>moon in the sky, I want you to change how

974
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you see it. We always focus on the bright, glowing face,

975
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:53.639
<v Speaker 2>we track the phases of the light catching the sun.

976
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.760
<v Speaker 2>But look at the shadows, Look at the edges, think

977
00:49:56.760 --> 00:50:00.320
<v Speaker 2>about those hidden frozen craters at the poles. Can look

978
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.320
<v Speaker 2>at the most desolate, hostile, lightless regions of our closest

979
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:06.199
<v Speaker 2>neighbor and realize they're actually the perfect housing for the

980
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 2>most precise scientific instruments humanity has ever conceived. It makes

981
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:13.800
<v Speaker 2>you wonder what other seemingly dead space is in our

982
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.280
<v Speaker 2>solar system. The freezing, toxic valleys of Mars, the pitch

983
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>black subsurface oceans of Europa, the shadowed, chaotic rings of

984
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Saturn are just waiting for us to uncover their hidden,

985
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.679
<v Speaker 2>unimaginable utility. We just have to be willing to look

986
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 2>into the dark.
