1 00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendul podcast, coming to you from 2 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:27,679 the heart of Pendle Witch Country in the northwest of England. 3 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,159 My name is Craig Bryant, author, the investigator and collector 4 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,439 of stories. Join me as we take a journey into 5 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:42,320 the paranorial UFO sightings, cryptozoology and bigcats. This is the 6 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:54,799 Paranorial Pendal Podcast. Hey, welcome to episode fifty two of 7 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:59,880 Paranormal Pendl, broadcast into the Paranorial UK network at pau 8 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,159 radio dot com. 9 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: So I'm delighted to have my guest on this episode. 10 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:10,920 It's the Reverend Alison Dunlop Shanes, who is author of 11 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,920 the book Mystic Visions, which I believe has just been 12 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:17,239 released as of Was it the first of April? Alison 13 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,519 that it was? It was, yes, So that's out there 14 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,280 at the moment. It's on Flying Dispress. I presume it's 15 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,000 available through Amazon it is, it is. 16 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: Yes. 17 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,239 Speaker 2: I normally go to work where the books are available 18 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,799 right at the end of the podcast, but I thought 19 00:01:31,799 --> 00:01:34,439 i'd get it out of the way to begin with. 20 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:37,120 On We've got a lot of stuff that I'd really 21 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:44,319 like to talk about. You've got a fascinating bio fascinating CV. Basically, 22 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,159 you're a theologian and an exorcist, and I'd really like 23 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:50,680 to talk about the work that you do with relation 24 00:01:50,959 --> 00:01:59,719 to exorcism and also your experiences with demons and also 25 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:04,280 with angels and archaeanngels as well. So can I ask, 26 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:09,159 first of all, how did you become involved in shall 27 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:12,840 we say, the realm of exorcism? 28 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,439 Speaker 3: I think it was a path that I was set 29 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:21,919 on from quite an early age when my grandfather, who 30 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,439 knew that I liked to watch hammer horror films, handed 31 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:30,039 me a book that he had found in a charity 32 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,360 shop that he thought I would like, and I think 33 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,680 he had no idea what lay beneath the covers because 34 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:40,840 that book was The Exorcist and I was only fourteen 35 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,080 the time. He would have been horrified, I don't know. 36 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,879 Later on, that didn't really affect me, to be honest, 37 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:53,000 and I never really thought too much of it other 38 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:55,759 than it was a work of fiction. But when I 39 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,719 was in my late twenties, I had a demonic attack 40 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,479 demon an incubus, and that set me off on a 41 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:09,120 path of of research more than anything, and asking questions 42 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:11,840 of anybody and everybody I knew I told them about 43 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,560 this experience and asked them if they had ever heard 44 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:19,280 of anything similar, because I had never ever encountered anything 45 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:25,840 like that. And then when I was in my forties, 46 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,360 the flat that I was living in I was visited. 47 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:36,719 A workman come in and I got a really bad 48 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,120 feeling from him, and I couldn't really put it into 49 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:43,240 words what it was that I didn't like about him, 50 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,240 but I had a bad feeling. And when he had left, 51 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,680 when he had gone, there was still something I felt. 52 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:59,400 I didn't feel alone in the flat anymore. And that 53 00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:04,919 escalat over the next I would say, over the next month, 54 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:14,639 from just simple noises to a full blown spirit attack 55 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:21,279 by an invisible presence and invisible force that I had 56 00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:27,519 defend off. And after that I decided I was going 57 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:29,759 to do an exorcism in the flat. 58 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:35,319 Speaker 2: Sorry very quickly because asked about do you think it 59 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:37,560 was something that this workman brought him with him? 60 00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: Then definitely, definitely, he definitely had an attachment and I 61 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,160 think that or something similar to that, and that when 62 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:52,199 he came in it was at least some of it, 63 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,959 if not all of it, was left left behind and 64 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:04,240 for whatever reason, but you know, I wasn't going to 65 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,079 have it staying with me. It wasn't welcome, and I 66 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,240 let it know. At that point, I wasn't really frightened 67 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,079 of these things anymore. I was more like in charge. 68 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:21,319 I had the Roman Ritual and I set about. I 69 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:26,879 also had my background in paganism and magic, so I 70 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:35,120 used elements of that, such as protective circles, you know, 71 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:40,319 and consecrated salt, things that you actually would use in 72 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:47,720 a Christian ritual in many cases like holy water sprinkled around. 73 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:53,319 But I also used things like black salt at the doorways, 74 00:05:54,519 --> 00:05:59,000 and I used I put symbols on the doors and 75 00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:06,959 the the walls. But I also invoked, you know, in 76 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,240 the Father, the name of the Father, the Son, and 77 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,439 the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus, in the 78 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:17,040 name of Mary, asking the saints to come in and 79 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:23,319 help as well. And all these powerful forces had a 80 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,120 very good effect in the end. 81 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: So it was a sort of combination of traditional pagan 82 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,680 practices obviously practices that go back many thousands of years, 83 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:41,079 but also was there elements of what it been out 84 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:44,279 in said the Catholic Church that you were bringing into this. 85 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:49,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that the Roman ritual is the ritual that 86 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,519 they use, and I had that. 87 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:58,959 Speaker 2: So if you don't mimmy asking, well. 88 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,399 Speaker 3: It begins with the litany of the saints, so you 89 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:07,720 call in all the saints, and that is rather long 90 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:12,439 in itself, I think at that point, I think that 91 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:17,360 was all that I used from it, because some of 92 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:22,639 it is more appropriate to when you're dealing with a person. 93 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,040 But the whole that the entire to do the entire 94 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:32,319 Roman ritual which I have done, can take a full 95 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:36,399 day really with with a break in between. You know, 96 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:43,839 if you become completely exhausted, you know, it can it 97 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:48,879 can take a long time. So the part that was 98 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:55,519 what you might call I suppose Pagan used the four 99 00:07:55,639 --> 00:08:03,120 elements of earth, air, salt, earth, air, fire, and water. 100 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,519 So there was there was consecrated there was holy water, 101 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:11,439 There was consecrated salt for earth, there was incense for fire, 102 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,120 and and air that represents air as well. But I 103 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:21,399 also then used a candle for fire. So I used 104 00:08:21,439 --> 00:08:25,399 those elements and the black salt, which is just really 105 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:32,480 ash or charcoal in salt as as extra protection outside 106 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:39,200 the home. So these are things that Neo I'd have 107 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:45,399 come across through my time in the Neo pagan community, 108 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:52,320 which I'd still consider myself a part of. I am 109 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,600 not I'm I'm in the old Catholic and Apostolic church, 110 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:03,480 and it's a liberal Catholic to so there's not, as 111 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:14,080 far as I'm concerned, the same restrictions between the you know, 112 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:19,679 between the religions and between the religious practices. There's not 113 00:09:19,879 --> 00:09:26,039 that sort of prejudice between them, you know. So I 114 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,480 used elements of both and it worked extremely well. A 115 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,399 few nights a night or a few nights later after it, 116 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:40,080 there was this sound of millions of hailstones, like hailstones 117 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,960 on glass, that kind of sound battering off of glass. 118 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:49,200 It was like static, statically charged energy on my ceiling. 119 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,720 It was. It wasn't just in my imagination, because my 120 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:59,559 cats were transfixed by this this noise that went on 121 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,639 first some time. And it was only after that that 122 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:09,679 I read in a book called Begone Satan by Carl Vogel, 123 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:18,000 that this is significant. It signifies the end of the exorcism. 124 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:21,960 It means that the energies have gone, they've lifted, and 125 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,639 the flat was a completely different place after that. It 126 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:31,600 was completely different. Was it felt cleansed, you know, it 127 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:39,840 felt clean of anything, negative. Yeah, and my mother commented 128 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:44,039 on it. In fact, when she came in, I think 129 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,399 it was a couple of days after that or the 130 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:50,559 next day that she commented she thought, what have you 131 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:56,120 done in here? Because it just feels so light and different, 132 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,480 you know, So she actually noticed that there was something different, 133 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,159 and I didn't. I never told her. I think I 134 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,360 might have told her later, but not that day. I didn't. 135 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,200 So it was very evident that something had been done, 136 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,879 so that something had worked. 137 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 2: Do you know what the entity was? Did you get 138 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,320 any indication at all of what it was and why 139 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,360 it had attached itself to you from this workman? 140 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I didn't tune into at all. I 141 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,440 did address it at one point and said, you can't 142 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,120 attach yourself to me. This is my home and you're 143 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:50,159 not welcome in it, so get out. And that was 144 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,879 a couple of weeks went by and there was nothing. 145 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,120 And then there was scratchings on the wall, you said, 146 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:04,639 scratching on the wall, shelves, things like that. But we're shaking, beds, shaking, 147 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:11,320 you know. I'd wake up with these things happening. And then, 148 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:15,799 as I say, the attack by the invisible presence, the invisible, 149 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,639 this invisible force. And as I say, all these things 150 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:27,159 we're mentioned in Begone Satan, which I only read afterwards, 151 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,080 you know, because I was researching for a talk that 152 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:36,000 I was doing. Everything that happened to me happened to 153 00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:38,559 the priest in that in that book. 154 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: That's that's quite bizarre, then, isn't it really very bizarre? 155 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:48,840 So this this habit, then, that these dark entities, these diamonds, 156 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,399 if we can call them diamonds, have of attaching themselves 157 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:55,440 to people and sort of perhaps jumping from one person 158 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,799 so another. If you come across this on other occasions 159 00:12:59,039 --> 00:13:05,000 or what sort of other experiences have you had with diamonds. 160 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: I can't say that I've experienced this sort of jumping 161 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:13,360 from one to another, although I do know somebody who 162 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,080 went on an investigation. This is something obviously investigators have 163 00:13:19,159 --> 00:13:22,919 to be really careful about. Is they're going to places 164 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,360 because they're haunted, and they've got no idea what they're 165 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:34,360 actually going into, and they tend not to do any 166 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:40,480 kind of protection ritual beforehand, and they just go in 167 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,559 wide open. And this was the case, and that the 168 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,279 man when he came home, it actually started affecting his 169 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:57,639 baby's baby son, and that really was obviously bad news 170 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:03,399 for him, but he also felt the attachment on him 171 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:09,480 and he told myself my husband, my husband's a psychic medium, 172 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:18,279 and he very quickly, I mean, he can do some 173 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,600 things very very quickly. And he just spent a few 174 00:14:25,159 --> 00:14:29,919 moments with this guy placed you know, his hand on 175 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,679 his shoulder, and the guy actually felt the attachment leave them. 176 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,399 Speaker 2: A right, okay, And so as. 177 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,639 Speaker 3: I say investigators need to be careful. They think that 178 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:48,279 they're they're immune to two things when they walk into properties, 179 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,480 but they're really not. They have to be careful of 180 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:58,759 that kind of environment. But yeah, I've I'm dealing with 181 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:04,679 a case just now that I don't really know if 182 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,480 there's more than one spirit involved. I get a feeling 183 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:16,240 now that there is that this spirit may it's a say, 184 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:21,559 not have jumped like from one person to another, but 185 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:27,519 I think it's it's probably there. Partly they are attachments, 186 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:33,080 and I think that that then has weakened the person. 187 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:40,039 And because of her work, and this is another danger 188 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:46,960 when you're doing psychic any kind of psychic mediumship a 189 00:15:47,039 --> 00:15:52,919 healing as well, and she's a Rekie practitioner and had 190 00:15:53,039 --> 00:15:57,600 a very sort of beautiful existence. Up until maybe about 191 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:00,919 six years ago, she worked with angels. She loved healing people. 192 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,600 But then at one point she must have been vulnerable. 193 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,679 I see. That's the thing, Like, if you're doing something 194 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,919 like that again, you need to make sure that you 195 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:22,000 are protecting your your aura, you know, and if it's 196 00:16:22,159 --> 00:16:26,679 weak at all, then you can pick up like energies 197 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,799 from the person that you're working with. But you can 198 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:36,360 also by being open and doing work like that, you 199 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:44,639 can unintentionally invite something extremely bad into you and first 200 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:49,080 of all attached to you. And that is what happened. 201 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,159 And I also think that you know, you have like 202 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:59,440 a hierarchy of demons, okay, and a higher up deemon. 203 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:04,400 A stronger demon can send out lesser demons to do 204 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,519 you know, it's dirty work. There can be a chain 205 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:11,599 of command. This chain of command can be quite long, 206 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:18,319 you know, and go from In one case that I 207 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,880 know of, it went from the girl through to this 208 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,240 is a different case. It went from the girl through 209 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:33,480 to her boyfriend who was in a psychiatric unit, and 210 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:36,519 from him he was actually being he had sort of 211 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:41,359 did some black magic stuff, but he in turn he 212 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:47,799 was being influenced by a lesser demon that he had 213 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:54,880 been involved with, who was and who was being commanded by, 214 00:17:55,079 --> 00:17:57,799 you know, one of the bigger, one of the big guys. 215 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:04,680 So these it's not all like simple black and white. 216 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:07,480 You know, you're dealing with a demon. That's it. It's 217 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:13,119 not and you can you can do an exorcism, but 218 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:17,440 you know, a few days and it can work, and 219 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,000 then a day or two later you've got the problem 220 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:24,880 again because there's something else, there's something that you've missed, 221 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:33,240 And that happens quite often, not just to like, you know, 222 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,839 somebody who's maybe less experienced, that this happens to Catholic 223 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,880 priests as well, who are experienced, like get Gabriella Amoret, 224 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:50,920 father Moore, who's the Pope's exorcist now deceased. I know 225 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:54,920 that he dealt with cases where he had to do 226 00:18:55,039 --> 00:19:00,799 repeat exorcisms because I think now I can't remember the 227 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,039 exact number, but I think it's down as something like 228 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:09,079 eight thousand exorcisms that he did in his lifetime. That's 229 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,839 not necessarily full blown exorcisms, that can be shorter prayers 230 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:19,039 and things like that. But that also is not just 231 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,400 the like the amount of people, because those can be 232 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:27,079 repeat exorcisms. It's quite common. It's quite common to have 233 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,720 to some of these entities. There can be more than one, 234 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:35,240 and it can take a long time to get rid 235 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,279 of even one. 236 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:41,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, so where do they come from? Where do they reside? 237 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:46,079 I mean, are we talking about and let's let's get 238 00:19:46,079 --> 00:19:48,640 straight to the point here. Are we talking about the Bible? 239 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:53,599 Are we talking about Heaven and Hell? Is that the 240 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,319 sort of thing we're talking about? Is that the sort 241 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:58,279 of realm were these these demons? And obviously when we 242 00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:02,480 chat letterron about angels where they're come from? 243 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 3: You can be talking about that, but you can be 244 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:13,880 you can be talking about things that have been sent 245 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:18,200 to you, like by somebody who doesn't like you, like 246 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:22,359 a thought form that somebody has created, or a demon 247 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,039 that somebody has summoned and sent to you. So that 248 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:32,759 can be something that happens. I mean, there's all different 249 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,920 thoughts about where they come from. And I guess the 250 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:45,200 easiest label it sort of encompasses. It's like an all 251 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:51,680 encompassing word is to say they come from Hell, because 252 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,000 that I suppose. 253 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: It's very it's very hollowoodized, isn't it that? It's very 254 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,759 you know, people probably think of sort of films like 255 00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:08,680 The Exorcist or yeah, Constantine for instance. Yeah, it's very 256 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,519 graphic that they're come from hell and there's heaven and 257 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:13,480 hell and all. You know, it's all all around the 258 00:21:13,519 --> 00:21:15,640 mysticism of the Bible and everything else. 259 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:26,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes it can just be energy that's been put 260 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,319 out there into the atmosphere. 261 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: Sort of just like negative energy. 262 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:36,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's like maybe magical practitioners who have 263 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:44,880 left ritual's unfinished. Now. Alistair Crawley was said to have 264 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:52,480 done that at Boorley, not Bordly. What's the place that 265 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:57,240 he stayed. I can't remember now, but he was said 266 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:01,119 to have done a ritual that was that took months 267 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,240 to do, but that he left halfway through and that 268 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:13,440 this negative demon was left to kind of do its 269 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:19,880 own thing. So that if that happened, I'm not saying 270 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,119 that he did do that, but it has been known 271 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,519 to happen by others. That's you know, another sort of thing. 272 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:32,319 But usually it would be something that would be summoned 273 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:42,720 by or invited in, because sometimes demons are attracted to 274 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:48,160 like like is like, you know, they're attracted to something 275 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:55,759 in us that's similar to their personality that they have, 276 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,680 you know, do you know what I mean? 277 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: So if somebody's got that that propensity to be dark 278 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:12,920 in themselves with the personality, then they can they can 279 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,599 attract a similar type of personality from this negative energy 280 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,279 that ye are describing as demons. 281 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And or it could be that Yeah, I mean, 282 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,480 I know that we're talking about demons, but it's still 283 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:40,440 there's things like curses, for example, that can even be 284 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:50,160 generational curses where this sort of negative energy or demon 285 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,079 is with a family for many years. 286 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:55,799 Speaker 2: So we're going back to the sort of old old 287 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,240 days of I suppose witchcraft in a way, we're practice 288 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:04,200 in precticing. Witches would put curses on people and you know, 289 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,559 unfortunate things would would befallen because of that and so on. 290 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,279 So you know, the pedal which is for instance, which 291 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:15,000 is obviously quite quite close to my heart, that they 292 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:19,599 were they were accused of putting spells on people that 293 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:22,640 that you know, eventually either killed them or or killed 294 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,440 their you know, killed the farm animals or whatever. So 295 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,599 it's obviously channeling that sort of negative energy, isn't it. 296 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I mean, not every I have to 297 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:38,400 say that not every witch will be doing stuff like that. 298 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,200 I don't I don't actually think it's that common really 299 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,119 for a witch to do something like that, But it 300 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,839 does happen. It's happened. 301 00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:51,559 Speaker 2: I mean, using the world using the word witches were opened, 302 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:54,759 We're opening a whole kind of a whole kind of worms, 303 00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:57,799 aren't we using the you know, the word which, because 304 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:01,920 it can has so many different conversations, so you know, 305 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,640 it can be. It can be attributed to people who 306 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:11,839 just believe in in the old, the old pagan religions, 307 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,319 you know, which is not the right thing to do. 308 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,720 You shouldn't be attaching that to them. Can I ask 309 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:23,039 you about you had an experience didn't you with was 310 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:25,240 it described? Did you describe it as a sort of 311 00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:28,559 ufo or a sort of ball of plasma or something 312 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:29,680 something like that. 313 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the that was to do with the incubus 314 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,079 attack that I had when I was in my late twenties. 315 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,680 I know that seems like surprising, but it started off 316 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:51,319 with a dream about a vampire. Now, vampirism can be 317 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:56,519 people think vampires don't exist. But in the astral world, 318 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,279 if you want to put it like that, in that 319 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,680 psychic world, they definitely do exist, and they definitely can 320 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:12,599 suck your energy, you know, there after your energy, And 321 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,240 that's what I was dreaming about. And I woke up 322 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,720 quite frightened. The room was this very strange shade of blue, 323 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,799 and then I was trying to waken up my partner, 324 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,400 which I couldn't. I couldn't waken them, which is another 325 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:35,720 feature of the incubus experience, is that the person beside you, 326 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,839 you can't waken them. The next thing, I was flipped 327 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:46,200 onto my back and pinned down by this unholy creature, 328 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:50,640 and he said, you thought you could get away from me, 329 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,079 didn't you. And he started scraping my neck with this 330 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,799 very long fingernail, trying to cut it, cut my throat. 331 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:05,160 And there was an old woman standing by the window 332 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,880 just in the corner, who was, you know, dressed in 333 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,359 a long white night dress and long hair, and she 334 00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:17,759 was laughing into her hand. This is I later found 335 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:21,720 out the mara where we get the word nightmare from. 336 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,680 So it's sometimes known as old hag syndrome. 337 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard about that. 338 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, for that reason, because she can feature there are 339 00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:37,119 other features to these attacks, so you can have the 340 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:43,200 the young male figure, the young female figure, the old 341 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:52,839 female figure, the imp figure, and at some point I 342 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:58,200 think I must have passed out, woke up and everything 343 00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:02,720 was fine. There was an almost repeat incident about a 344 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,400 week later when I woke up and I was paralyzed 345 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,640 and the room was this strange shade of blue again, 346 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,359 but I managed to get my partner's attention. He was 347 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,440 through the room and I managed to scream out and 348 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,720 he came in and put on the light, and that 349 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,359 that sort of stopped the experience, and there wasn't another 350 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,279 one after that. 351 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: Because incubus so usually and we won't. I don't want 352 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,640 to go into too much detail because obviously it's very personal, 353 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,839 but they usually they can be sexually moultivated, can't they. 354 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,960 Now obviously I don't. I don't want to go into 355 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,839 anything any of that. 356 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: No, that's okay. It wasn't sexually motivated. I'm aware of that, 357 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,880 and I know that that is quite common for people 358 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:59,039 to experience. They can be they can have sexual intentions 359 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:07,119 or murder intentions, and this one definitely had a murderous intentions. 360 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,720 But go forward like fourteen years and I met someone 361 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:19,039 at the Sterling Paranormal Festival and he was telling me 362 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:23,920 about these UFOs that he had seen over Glasgow in 363 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,960 the run up to the Millennium and he had done 364 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:34,240 this photoshop of where he had seen this UFO and 365 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,920 he said it was like a blue plasma light that 366 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,920 just imploded. And when he showed me the picture, it 367 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:49,440 was above my flat in Tory, glenn and Glasgow. And 368 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,160 I can't give you the date of my attack, but 369 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,160 it was the same month he saw this, in the 370 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:02,119 same month as my attack. I can't say for sure 371 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,640 that there was a connection, but it seems I believe 372 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,440 that there was a connection there. Now I don't know 373 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:15,240 what that was. I don't think it was a physical UFO, right, but. 374 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: It's some sort of portal do you think or. 375 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,599 Speaker 3: Could have been? Could have been, But certainly it seemed 376 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:31,200 to have been utilized in some way for something to 377 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:31,880 come through. 378 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: And you think this could possibly have been the incubus 379 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,160 spirit that came through and had the experience with you. 380 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:46,839 Speaker 3: I think so. I think so. I had no idea. 381 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,720 I was just thinking and I still do actually think demonic. 382 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,920 I don't think that there's like an alien connection there, 383 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,880 and I don't think there it was a physical UFO, right, 384 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,799 you know, like a military aircraft type thing. I don't 385 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:12,359 think it was anything like that. And I've seen more 386 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:20,200 recently people looking at the possibility that some UFOs have 387 00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:24,440 a demonic sort of connection. 388 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have spots people who've had that hypothesis. Yeah, definitely. 389 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,599 Speaker 3: John Keel was one the most man prophecies guy. He 390 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:43,960 was somebody that believed that some UFOs certainly had a 391 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:46,759 connection to the demonic. 392 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,319 Speaker 2: So when when you have when you have these these 393 00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:55,400 personal experiences, do you are you frightened at all? Does 394 00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,359 you know, does it involve any sort of fair in you? 395 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:07,079 Because because you say quite calm explaining what happened, you know, 396 00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,759 and it's quite you're seeing quite quite sort of strong 397 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,279 in the way that you're describing how you dealt with them. 398 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,480 So do you ever get that feeling of a fear. 399 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,759 Speaker 3: In the moment? You can do. Certainly with the incubus attack, 400 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,599 I was very frightened and with the experience that I 401 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:39,079 had of the the Pladians who appeared to me, and 402 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,920 I had paralysis as well. In that experience, I had 403 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:48,960 like lots of different emotions going. You know, there was 404 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:54,519 fear because I was paralyzed and I was seeing something 405 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,759 that was completely out of the ordinary. 406 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: So I want to show about that and what these 407 00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:05,599 what these banes were that you saw, and how how 408 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,119 you saw them, how this happened. 409 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, it's difficult to say what they were, 410 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:19,880 but certainly the vibe that they gave was it was 411 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,880 they weren't of this world. They were extraterrestrial, you know, 412 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,920 So whether that was that they were divine beings, but 413 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:35,039 because there definitely seemed to be that vibe, so whether 414 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:39,599 they were angelic or whether you know, these palladings that 415 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:46,720 people have reported have that you know, angelic connection, I 416 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:51,519 couldn't tell you. But I woke up and I had 417 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,640 this speam of light going to my forehead. There was 418 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,000 a circle in the ceiling overhead that was like a platform, 419 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,640 and there was a man looking over. He had dark hair, 420 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,559 and I felt like the top half of my body, 421 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,880 my head and my shoulders being lifted up off the pillow. 422 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,199 And as soon as he saw that I saw him, 423 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,039 he said to someone close by that I couldn't see. 424 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:33,039 We've got her. And then other sort of human humanoid 425 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:38,480 beings looked over, and one of them leaned down and said, 426 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,039 you have to tell people about us, And I mean, 427 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,199 it wasn't just sort of fear. It was also elation too. 428 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:54,920 I was in awe of what I was seeing, and 429 00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,400 you know, I said, I will, I'll tell people, and 430 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,360 he said, no, you must promise. He was really pleading, 431 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,400 you know, you must promise that you'll tell people about us. 432 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,760 And I said, I promise, I will. 433 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:15,199 Speaker 2: And did this? Did this humanoid figure say why he 434 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,840 was hate? Was saw insistent on you telling Piper? 435 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 3: No, No, he didn't. I just had to do it. 436 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,760 That's that was my that was my task. 437 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,519 Speaker 4: You know. 438 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 3: It's like that, that's that's your task. We're giving you 439 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,639 this task. It's an important task. Clearly it was an 440 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:41,000 important task. It could be that if it was angelic, 441 00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:45,360 then people are kind of forgetting about the angels. They're 442 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,880 getting maybe getting forgotten about, and they maybe think that 443 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,920 it's important that we remember that they are out there 444 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,280 and that we can call upon them for help. And 445 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,239 I think that that might be I'm only so my thing, 446 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,000 but I think that that could be a reason why 447 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:14,159 I later saw in paintings, because I, you know, wanted 448 00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:19,039 to see if anybody else had seen similar. So one 449 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:23,079 of the first things that I came across was a 450 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:29,760 painting or a drawing of what somebody had called the Palladians, right, 451 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:39,400 who are extraterrestrials, supposedly from the constellation the Pliades. I 452 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,239 don't know where people get this information from. I'm presuming 453 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,880 that perhaps they're told this, but that's what they looked 454 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,800 like anyway. They were dark haired. They weren't like the 455 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,000 blonde haired Nordics. They were dark haired. 456 00:36:54,159 --> 00:37:06,679 Speaker 4: And so are these sorry, are these then what you would. 457 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 2: Describe as angels? 458 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,559 Speaker 3: I think they could be. I mean they were dressed. 459 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:22,039 They weren't like, you know, dressed like white, yeah, white 460 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:25,199 dresses and wings. There was nothing like that. They're actually 461 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,639 quite star treky, you know, the sort of spacesuits and 462 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:36,599 that kind of thing. But they weren't. Although they were 463 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:40,840 physical in some way, there was something that there was 464 00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:44,960 other about them. I was seeing them in another dimension, 465 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,679 and I think that that's why this was being beamed 466 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,679 to my forehead. It was a telepathic communication. Now. I 467 00:37:53,719 --> 00:38:00,119 also saw in some artwork similar things, particularly paintings of 468 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:04,960 the Annunciation, where Mary has given news that she is 469 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,519 going to have the Child of God, and this beam 470 00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:13,239 of light going to her forehead, and sometimes it's Gabriel 471 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,360 who's giving the message, or it's maybe represented symbolically with 472 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:27,679 a dove that symbolizes peace, or you know, just the 473 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,119 message the message. 474 00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,119 Speaker 2: I mean sometimes when you look at a lot of 475 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:38,079 very old paintings, in particular a lot of old religious paintings, 476 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,880 so you know, sort of pre and I'm not an 477 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,320 art expert at all, but sort of medieval or pre medieval, 478 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:52,519 where you've got very strong religious iconography within these paintings. 479 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,239 Sometimes if you look at the detail, there is some 480 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,159 really interesting bits in there that you think, well, hang 481 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,079 on a minute, how how has that come about? How 482 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:05,239 how did it painted? Because that that looks like a 483 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,880 space helmet or that looks like a sort of you know, 484 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:14,239 space vehicle of some description it right in the background 485 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,760 in the sky or or somewhere like that. I'm really 486 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,119 interested actually. 487 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 4: How how you. 488 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 2: Sort of how this this makes you feel as a 489 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,639 religious person. So so you've got on one side, you've 490 00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:33,400 got demons and on all the all this negative energy. 491 00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,280 On the other sides, you've got with with briefly you've 492 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,239 briefly gone into angels and and and sort of what 493 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,480 angels I mean, we think of angels, as you said, 494 00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:46,239 with wings and you know, sort of long flowing robes 495 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,840 and everything else. And I'm sure that that some people 496 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,519 have seen them in that way. Maybe it's how people 497 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,119 sort of interpret them themselves. Maybe they look different to 498 00:39:57,199 --> 00:40:01,360 different people. I'm just I'm just curious to how it 499 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,840 makes you fail as a religious person knowing that all 500 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,719 this is going on. 501 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:13,159 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I have experienced an angel in 502 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:17,000 the sense of the bright white light and the sort 503 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,159 of wings, but the wings were more in the form 504 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,400 of light. And again I'd been having a dream and 505 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,920 it was a priest who was saying the Lord's prayer 506 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,880 and was coming towards me. And as he was, as 507 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,480 he was going through the Lord's prayer, his face began 508 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:43,639 to change. He began to become evil, his voice began 509 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,679 to become evil, like he's gone from being coming from 510 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,599 going from being good to being bad or being possessed. 511 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,719 And as he got right close to me, and I 512 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,920 woke up with a start, and right in front of 513 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,800 me was an angel with you know, the outspread wings, 514 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:10,039 and it was just bright light. It was so bright 515 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:16,440 that I couldn't even really see their face. And I 516 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,079 I say she, because I got the feeling that it 517 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:26,840 was a she, and she she just sort of glided 518 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,679 back into the corner of the room and disappeared. So 519 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,039 that that was another experience that I had that was 520 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:44,320 of more of the typical angelic type. 521 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:45,119 Speaker 4: I mean. 522 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 2: That then reinforced you fast. 523 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 3: Well. It was really strange because at the time I 524 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,039 didn't have this faith, and the that I have now 525 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:06,840 was a long way away. I didn't really have any 526 00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:11,800 sort of belief, not even my pagan path that I 527 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,519 hadn't even come across yet. So it was very curious 528 00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:22,920 to me. Why on earth I should have a vision 529 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:31,639 that was religious. I couldn't understand this at all. So 530 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,800 it was many years later just of looking back, and 531 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,039 what I think now is that I was because at 532 00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:46,480 that time I was getting other visions or sensing other things, 533 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,960 like pre cognitive things, and I think that this may 534 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,039 have been a precognition of what was going on in 535 00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:59,679 the priesthood, like with the abuse cases in the priesthood. 536 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,239 I wasn't brought up in the Catholic faith. I was 537 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,559 brought up in the Church of Scotland. It wasn't ever 538 00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,159 forced on me, you know, religion wasn't shoved down my 539 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,480 throat or anything. If I wanted to go to church, 540 00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:18,000 I could go to church, but and I would sometimes 541 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,119 accompany my mom to church, but or go or go 542 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:29,079 with the school, you know, Easter and Christmas. But so 543 00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,320 that's why I'm saying, you know, it was really strange 544 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,320 to me that I should have what appeared to be 545 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,159 a religious vision. 546 00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 2: As you mentioned about your pre cognitive visions, I mean, 547 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,920 I understand from from looking at at you, at you 548 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,960 buy all that, that you've had some quiet, historically important, 549 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:05,239 shall we say, visions with regards to nine eleven Paris 550 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,280 attacks as well twenty fifteen. I mean, how did that 551 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,360 come about? What was that like? And how did you 552 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,800 feel when they actually event took place. 553 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 3: I initially got a feeling that something was going to 554 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,360 happen in New York and Paris. It was round about 555 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:32,119 the same time as that vision of the priest. I 556 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:35,599 didn't know what on earth it could be, but I 557 00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:38,079 knew that I didn't want to visit these places until 558 00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:43,280 after it happened. I told a friend and she was saying, 559 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,360 you know, what do you mean? And I said, I 560 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,199 don't know what I mean, and I don't know where 561 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,920 it's coming from. I just this is just how I feel. 562 00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:03,360 Moving to two two thousand and two? Was it two 563 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:10,800 thousand and two, two thousand and one, two thousand and one. Yeah, 564 00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:21,320 three months before nine eleven, I started daydreaming about planes. 565 00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:25,880 I lived in high rise flat. I started daydreaming about 566 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:32,480 planes coming through my window, so I would find myself 567 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:37,360 just thinking about it and then thinking, why on Earth 568 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,519 am I thinking these thoughts, you know, thinking I wouldn't 569 00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:42,679 stand a chance if a plane come through my window, 570 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,960 Or I'd be looking over the city other high rises 571 00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:49,599 and seeing planes going into them and thinking, oh, they 572 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:55,440 wouldn't stand a chance. And then, of course, the day 573 00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:02,039 of nine eleven happened, and the whole world just, I think, 574 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:08,599 froze in terror and in horror at what they were witnessing, 575 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,199 and you know, I was no different. But on top 576 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,760 of that, I realized what I was looking at was 577 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,840 what I'd been thinking about, and that it must have 578 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:31,360 been not just my bizarre thoughts or daydreams, but it 579 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,000 must actually have been a vision, of a pre cognitive 580 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:41,719 vision of what was about happen. Yeah. Yeah, so I 581 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,639 was quite horrified, not just at what I was saying, 582 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,119 but about the fact that I'd had this I hadn't 583 00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,880 even realized it was pre cognitive. But in any case, 584 00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:58,880 what would I have done? What could I have done? Nothing? Nothing, 585 00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:08,000 And the same with the Paris attack. I after the 586 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,760 nine to eleven. In between times, I had been to 587 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,079 development circles. So when I was sitting and I saw 588 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:23,920 this bullet shaped bomb coming through my window, I began 589 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,159 to tune in to see if I could get more 590 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,800 because I thought, oh, here we go. This must be 591 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,239 one of these visions that I've had before and just 592 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:41,639 mistook for a crazy thought, you know. And I could 593 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,159 see this this city that had a dome domed building 594 00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:51,760 in it, I mistook it for Rome, when an actual fact, 595 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,400 right across from me were two pictures of Paris. One 596 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,719 was the Eiffel Tower and one was the Sacacure, which 597 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:06,119 is domed. So as I say, I started putting my 598 00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:11,000 own thoughts into could this could that, you know, and 599 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,159 just rather than let the information come to me. So 600 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,559 that was I think a mistake that I made there. 601 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,159 But it was the next day that the Paras attack 602 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,199 happened and I realized what it was that I had seen. 603 00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:31,480 But it can be after the event that you realize 604 00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,119 what you what you've actually been witnessing. 605 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 2: If you went to the authorities and said, I've just 606 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,760 had a premonition that, you know, a plan is going 607 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,960 to fly into the Aiffel Tower, friends and so on, 608 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,320 you know, there's going to be a mass shooting in 609 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,039 Berlin or something like that. Yeah, you'd just be written 610 00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,599 off as being a bit crack pop, won't you. 611 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 3: Of course, of course you would. You can't. You can't 612 00:48:57,559 --> 00:48:59,920 blame them. I mean they must get calls like that 613 00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,039 every day. And the thing is that some people are, 614 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:13,400 you know, in need of help. They are obsessed by 615 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,159 their every thought and their every thought. And I've met 616 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:21,119 people like this. Their every thought they write down the 617 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:26,320 record and they try to fit it to They'll think 618 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,159 about bad thoughts. They'll ruminate over bad things happening, like 619 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:36,039 car crashes and plane crashes and earthquakes and this and 620 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,519 that and the other. And of course, at some point 621 00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,920 within like the next week, something like that in the 622 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,559 world is going to happen. But they, you know, they 623 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:53,480 scour the newspapers to find if something like that has happened, 624 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:57,280 and then they fit it to that thought that they've had, 625 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,639 and they are just comple lately obsessed it's not just 626 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:08,119 like the occasional vision that is, you know, turns out 627 00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:08,800 to be right. 628 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. 629 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,760 Speaker 3: And Andre Herne she had the same with the Dumblane. 630 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,280 That was a kind of a sort of a one 631 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,119 off vision about something that was major. And she's the 632 00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:28,039 lady that lives in Edinburgh or near Edinburgh, and she's 633 00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,440 brought out a book as well. I think it's called 634 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,800 Arthur and Me or Arthur and I I can't quite remember. 635 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:39,119 But that's an interesting tale too. It's quite similar to 636 00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:45,559 my own actually, So you know, you have to sort 637 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,360 of wonder, like, is it the police in the other 638 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,679 end of the phone are thinking, oh, here's this person 639 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,119 again telling us about or here's someone else you know, 640 00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:00,800 who's completely obsessed by their every thought when you're not. 641 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,559 You might be somebody who genuinely has had a vision. 642 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: But. 643 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:06,880 Speaker 3: You're not. 644 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,360 Speaker 2: You're not getting them all the time. You're not trying 645 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,880 to fit what you're thinking into things that have happened. Yeah, 646 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,519 you're just getting them every now and then, and unfortunately 647 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:22,199 they're coming true. Yeah, I mean, that's you have to 648 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,239 wonder whether you know, I mean, there's historically when you 649 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,079 look at people like the very famous ones Nostrodamems for instance, 650 00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:36,119 or Mother Shipton in over in Nasbury and Yorkshire. I mean, 651 00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:44,079 they were some of the the visions that they had. Again, 652 00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:46,039 you can sort of mold them canting a little bit 653 00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:48,880 into into to be able to fit into things. But 654 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:54,199 I suppose with with the very specific things that you're seeing, 655 00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,280 it's it's a little bit more, a little bit more 656 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,960 worrying in it in a way. You know that that 657 00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:04,719 you're saying things more specific. 658 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit like you know, the nail 659 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,519 on the head. You know you've hit the nail on 660 00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:12,000 the head. 661 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 2: That's what I was, That's that's what I was trying 662 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,079 to Yeah, it's as you. 663 00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:25,519 Speaker 3: Say, it's a bit more worrying because it's quite specific. 664 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose you will. You don't want any more 665 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:36,199 of these types of of foreboarding because obviously it means 666 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,920 that something bad's going to happen. You'd rather. 667 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 3: I actually I knew that something was coming before COVID happened. 668 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,559 You know, there's things that afterwards I thought, oh I 669 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,400 didn't put that in the book. I forgot to put 670 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,840 that in the book, And that was one of them. 671 00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:05,000 I got a feeling that something was coming and I 672 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:10,280 didn't know what it was. But I started keeping a 673 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:18,079 box of like you know, food like tinned foods and 674 00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:26,519 dry foods, and buying toilet paper and bulk. 675 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,760 Speaker 4: I remember that that started it. 676 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 2: Then was it? 677 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 3: Well? I didn't have like a whole cupboard full of 678 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,719 toilet roll or anything. I wasn't selling it for twenty 679 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:46,000 quid on eBay, but you know it. Remember like the 680 00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:50,599 first couple of weeks of the lockdown, the shelves were 681 00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:57,079 empty of toilet rolls and I said to my mum, 682 00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:00,440 I was like, you thought I was crazy. I was 683 00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:05,400 crazy for having extra things in the cupboards just in case, 684 00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:08,360 because you know, she was like, why why have you 685 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,199 got like a box of like you know, all these 686 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,039 things or bottles of water and stuff like that, and 687 00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:20,599 I said, it's just in case something happens. 688 00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:23,639 Speaker 2: Strong drive then that you had It must have been 689 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,519 quite a quite a powerful feeling that that you had 690 00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,199 that something something bad was coming. 691 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:32,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I would kid it on. I would 692 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,880 say zombie apocalypse, you know, and it was I mean, 693 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,280 it was kind of yeah. 694 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:48,039 Speaker 2: Sometimes yeah, that's that's that's both interesting and scary and 695 00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:51,840 equal measures. I think it was quite quite disturbing fear 696 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,960 as a person to to have these these sort of things. 697 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,039 Let's just quickly move on to something that's that's a 698 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,519 a little bit less serious, although I'm sure that it 699 00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:06,280 is a serious event. When it's dumb you you host 700 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,000 the Scottish Ufion Paranormal Conference. When does when does that happen? 701 00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 3: Is that? 702 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,880 Speaker 2: Is that an annual thing? What sort of people do 703 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,920 you have as guests? 704 00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:22,400 Speaker 3: Or it is an annual event? Yes? This year it's 705 00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:27,679 on Saturday, the fifteenth of June in the where it 706 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,519 usually is, the Queen Margaret Union University Gardens in Glasgow. 707 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,559 It's within like the grounds of Glasgow, the University of Glasgow. 708 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:46,239 And that's ten am till seven pm. And let's I'll 709 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,199 just tell you who's going to be speaking. 710 00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:56,079 Speaker 2: Just get my glasses on, no problem, not easy when 711 00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:57,880 you've got headphones, I know, I know. 712 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:06,360 Speaker 3: So the first person speaking is Karen Strang and she 713 00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:15,159 is a visual artist, predominantly a painter, and she's going 714 00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:17,360 to be talking about the kind of artwork that she 715 00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:23,800 does that includes things like the quite often it's to 716 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,639 do with witchcraft actually that she has, you know, or 717 00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:31,840 the pagan landscape and things like that. So I don't 718 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,599 know exactly what she's going to be, you know, saying, 719 00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:40,000 but she's got the title is the cunning her the 720 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,519 magic of painting, so it will be something you know, 721 00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:48,239 along those sort of lines. I'll be speaking next on 722 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:55,360 psychic attack and self defense, and Gordon Rutter he's going 723 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,880 to be speaking about frightening Flora. Just read out his 724 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,880 little blurb because it's really good tales of plants, but 725 00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:08,599 not the nice medicinal and pretty ones. Know it's the 726 00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:11,280 turn of the nasty ones to get their chance in 727 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,440 the spotlight. Examples will be taken from folklore and fiction, 728 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,519 with some frightening factual flowers for good luck, have an 729 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,400 X you hate, listen along and find a suitable bouquet 730 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,960 for them, NB, NB the same BOOKUET will probably do 731 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,039 for people you like if their interests lies more in 732 00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:40,599 the carb great. 733 00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:43,079 Speaker 2: So we've got plenty of deadly nattion. 734 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,119 Speaker 3: And yeah, he's quite the personality, Gordon Rutter, and he 735 00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:53,320 also emcees our events as well. And then after lunch, 736 00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:56,400 Ron Halliday will be talking. I don't know if you've 737 00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:01,559 spoken to Ron before. He lives Scotland. He's a writer 738 00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:07,280 he's got some great books out there on I think 739 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,559 the first one that he did was called mckex mckex 740 00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:17,840 Files or something, and he also had a what do 741 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,960 you call it a column in one of the newspapers. 742 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,880 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll search them out, say I can. 743 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:31,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. So he's done books on the paranormal and gufology before, 744 00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:36,400 and he's going to be talking about ancient aliens and 745 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,760 examining evidence that our earth was visited by ancient aliens 746 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,960 in the distant past, where they, for example, the Pyramids 747 00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:50,679 were the pyramids of ancient Egypt constructed by these beings. 748 00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:57,119 Could we be the descendants of these ancient ancient colonists 749 00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:02,000 or our aliens masquerading as beings taking over the earth 750 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:03,440 through all this kind of stuff? 751 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 2: So they are von Danikin. 752 00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:10,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, So he's going to be sort of talking about that. 753 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,079 It's something that I don't think we've had. We try 754 00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:18,199 to vary our talks, We try to have them all 755 00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:19,280 different every year. 756 00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:25,199 Speaker 2: Is it a ticket thing or can people just sort 757 00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:28,559 of turn up on the day it is ticketed. 758 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,480 Speaker 3: We've got our tickets are on event, right, people can 759 00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:37,440 buy them there. It helps us if they do buy 760 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,079 them there. Because then we have a reasonable idea of 761 00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:45,360 how many people to expect. But you can, like, if 762 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,079 you don't know what you're going to be doing, you 763 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,320 can get them on the door and there will be space. 764 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:55,960 It's quite a big space, so there will be plenty 765 00:59:56,199 --> 01:00:00,440 of room. The next speaker is Linda White for and 766 01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:07,079 her talk is on the Ghosts of Curos. The Curos 767 01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:11,880 is a lovely little place. It's where Outlander was filmed 768 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:19,559 there and there's a witch connection there too. People were 769 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:26,039 executed as witches there and she now works at Curos 770 01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:30,280 Palace where she communicates with the spirits who reside there. 771 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,519 And she's going to be telling us about that Malcolm Robinson, 772 01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:41,119 the Infamous, He's going to be talking about UFO's in Scotland, 773 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:46,719 so he'll discuss things like the A seventy incident and 774 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,360 the Craig Lusker Reservoir and Polmont Reservoir cases. He'll be 775 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,159 talking about all that. 776 01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,679 Speaker 2: Somebody malist at some point if I can, if I 777 01:00:58,719 --> 01:00:59,599 can pin him down. 778 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 3: Girl, Oh yeah, you'll be, he'll be He'll be more 779 01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:07,199 than happy to come on your show. And the last one. 780 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,360 I'm really looking forward to listening to this guy Alan Murdy. 781 01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,719 He's talking about the mystery of the white lady ghosts. 782 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,320 So many reports of hauntings involve a ghost who is 783 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:27,599 traditionally female. But alongside these are this particular and recurrent 784 01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:32,280 type of apparition, a class known internationally as the white lady. 785 01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:37,760 And these white ladies appear as anonymous apparitions. They appear 786 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,719 in a fixed and emblematic form, and typically she's a 787 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,599 phantom of a woman who appears in white or pale clothing, 788 01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:50,079 who seems to manifest in rural rather than urban and 789 01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:55,280 domestic settings. And quite often these are frequently seen standing 790 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,880 beside or on or even crossing a road, or materializing 791 01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:03,920 remote and isolated sports. So what I'm interested in is 792 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,480 whether he's going to talk about our lady, you know, 793 01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:11,880 like our Lady of Fatima or our Lady of Lourds, 794 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,000 because I think that I would think that those would 795 01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:21,599 come under the white lady apparitions. 796 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:25,840 Speaker 2: That's actually really interesting because locally to maybe have Salmsbury Hall, 797 01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:29,360 which is near Preston, and that is famous for having 798 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,760 a white lady, Dorothy Southworth, who is often seen floating 799 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,039 across the road. There's a main many air road right 800 01:02:38,119 --> 01:02:41,840 outside the whole. The whole dates back to about the 801 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,039 eleven hundreds, and she she's often seen in the grounds 802 01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:49,239 and as I said, floating across the road. And there's 803 01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:52,360 been numerous occasions where cars of screech to a halt 804 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,559 because the drivers think that they've actually run run somebody over, 805 01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,800 you know, they get they get out of the car, 806 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,960 they're absolutely element that they've run run over a young woman. 807 01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:07,719 And of course it's it's the it's the gust of Dorothy. 808 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,639 So so yeah, that's that's that's very similar. Actually, So 809 01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:13,360 what's what your guess is talking about. 810 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely really well. 811 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:18,039 Speaker 2: That sounds really good. That sounds and that that's an 812 01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:22,159 annual event. So you also you you have already or. 813 01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:26,880 Speaker 3: Show I believe I do a d x files which 814 01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:33,199 people can find on mix cloud, and that's kind of 815 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,760 like this podcast, you know, talking about the the strange, 816 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,840 the paranormal, a bit of eupology, a bit of everything really, 817 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,920 you know, anything bizarre and weird and wonderful. I tend 818 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:52,320 to stay away from the sort of conspiracy world. I 819 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:57,079 tried to stay away from that. And I also obviously 820 01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:02,280 have a leaning towards the spiritual side. Of things I 821 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:09,239 did do. I think there was about five short radio 822 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:20,440 podcasts on various supernatural things that supernatural religion, right. I 823 01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:25,840 covered that called Candle in the Dark. I've not had 824 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:30,760 a lot of time recently because I'm something has to go, 825 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,880 you know, when i start to write my talks for 826 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,800 the annual event, and I've had to put my shows 827 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,079 on hold right now so as i can concentrate on 828 01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:46,360 the talk that I'm going to be giving on psychic 829 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,320 attack and self defense. So a lot of what I've 830 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,159 been talking about yourself today, and. 831 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,559 Speaker 2: So the don't that you can't Yeah, yeah, I know 832 01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:03,480 how how time consuming it can be because I've I've 833 01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:06,119 written books and I've I obviously do this as well, 834 01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:08,920 So yeah, it can. It can sort of take over 835 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,840 a little bit. Calm it so you have to you 836 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,480 have to let some things rest for a while whilst 837 01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:16,960 you concentrate on that's sight. 838 01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:17,679 Speaker 3: That's shally. 839 01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's it's been fascinating talking to you. It's 840 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,679 a subject that I've wanted to discuss with somebody for 841 01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:28,480 a while, especially as as I said about at the beginning, 842 01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:33,920 certainly the subject of demons is something that I've found 843 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,000 really interesting and so you really you know, you've piqued 844 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,920 me interested even more now to go out and and 845 01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:45,800 find out more information about what this phenomena is. To 846 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,239 be honest, and as I said, it's been great to 847 01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:52,239 talk to you. Good luck with the book. The books 848 01:05:52,239 --> 01:05:52,760 on Amazon? 849 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:52,960 Speaker 4: Is it? 850 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,440 Speaker 2: Did you say it is? 851 01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:57,400 Speaker 3: It's available on Amazon or if you come along to 852 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,840 the conference, I can do your signed copy and give 853 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,079 you a little discount as well at the same time. 854 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:08,079 Speaker 2: So it's on the Flying disc Presses now which is 855 01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:10,440 filling it is amples. 856 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:12,320 Speaker 4: Label. 857 01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:15,079 Speaker 2: Well, it's been great talking to you. Thank you so much. 858 01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:18,840 Good luck with the book, good luck with thank you conference. 859 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,159 And yeah, make sure you get back into podcasting at 860 01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:23,599 some point. 861 01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:27,679 Speaker 3: Oh definitely. That's that's just it's just resting at the moment. 862 01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:29,599 It's just just having a rest. Well, I got on 863 01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:30,440 with other things. 864 01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:33,039 Speaker 2: That's just one last thing. If people want to get 865 01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,360 in contact with you. Was the best place to get 866 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:36,159 in contact with you? 867 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,800 Speaker 3: Well, I'm on Facebook, but they can also email, which 868 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:49,320 is probably best is SPI Scotland at gmail dot com. Okay, 869 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,760 so that's probably the best place to get me. 870 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 2: I'll put your email in the description and then people 871 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,000 can can drop you an email if you want to 872 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,280 have a chat with you. Okay, brilliant, Thank you, best 873 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,719 to look. Thank you look going forward and hot speech 874 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:04,320 again soon. 875 01:07:05,079 --> 01:07:06,840 Speaker 3: Hope to speak to you again soon as well. 876 01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:09,199 Speaker 4: Thank you very much, thank you, Bye bye. 877 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,679 Speaker 2: You can visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant 878 01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:17,960 dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return and remember 879 01:07:18,320 --> 01:08:06,440 to keep watching the shadows. 880 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:00,480 Speaker 1: A