Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Solo Monster here and I'm not doing a
Speaker 1: podcast this weekend because I am not going to be here,
Speaker 1: but I could not let this whole Rock fiasco go
Speaker 1: by without at least putting up a video for you
Speaker 1: guys here on the YouTube chatnel talking about all of
Speaker 1: this non sense. There's been a lot of talk and
Speaker 1: chatter about the WrestleMania finish to Cody Rhodes and John
Speaker 1: Sena WrestleMania Sunday being just almost universally panned, and deservedly
Speaker 1: so because it sucked. Not that sena one number seventeen,
Speaker 1: I had no issue with that at all, but the
Speaker 1: match itself just not being very good. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, the way that everything played out for
Speaker 1: the finish and Travis Scott Rock not being around just
Speaker 1: really most everything since the elimination Chamber because of the
Speaker 1: absence of The Rock, who became the focal point of
Speaker 1: this entire thing, it just made for a very lame
Speaker 1: finish a WrestleMania him not being there. So then late
Speaker 1: on Monday came the sudden announcement that The Rock was
Speaker 1: going to be appearing on the Pat McAfee show the
Speaker 1: next day. Clean up on Aisle five. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: this felt like. Damage control is not just the name
Speaker 1: of a faction in WWE. It was on full display Tuesday.
Speaker 1: So finally The Rock broke his silence as to why
Speaker 1: he was not part of the build to John Cena
Speaker 1: against Cody Rhodes at WrestleMania and why he did not
Speaker 1: appear at all on the biggest show of the year.
Speaker 1: This man did more to promote New Japan Pro Wrestling
Speaker 1: and Rubik's Cube sales than he did wrestle media and
Speaker 1: his answer it didn't make sense for the final Boss.
Speaker 1: That don't work for me, brother. Nearly forty minutes he
Speaker 1: spent talking about everything from Roman reigns and the Night
Speaker 1: one main event, to Cody and Sina on Night two
Speaker 1: and Travis Scott and his movies and his Papa Tuey
Speaker 1: skincare line. You should have seen the people in the
Speaker 1: live chat, because I was watching the Pat McAfee stream
Speaker 1: on YouTube when Rock was on. You should have seen
Speaker 1: these people in the live chat who are not wrestling
Speaker 1: fans and they don't give two shits about wrestling. Like
Speaker 1: thirty minutes into this, Rock is talking about his grooming
Speaker 1: products and they are just begging for Pat to please
Speaker 1: move on and talk actual sports. And you know, of
Speaker 1: all the things that Rock talked about, the one thing
Speaker 1: he did not talk about was the UFL, which he
Speaker 1: is part owner of and would at least fit into
Speaker 1: that sports discussion. That didn't come up. But all this
Speaker 1: other stuff came up. But among the things that he
Speaker 1: revealed is that he watched WrestleMania forty one from home
Speaker 1: because he wanted the spotlight to be on John Cena.
Speaker 1: And he also claimed that he only appeared at Elimination
Speaker 1: Chamber because Ari Emmanuel called him due to ticket sales
Speaker 1: being soft for the show in Toronto, so he came
Speaker 1: to The Rock basically to beg The Rock to be
Speaker 1: on the show to save ticket sales. As if as
Speaker 1: if the ticket sales were horrendous. I mean, they may
Speaker 1: have been soft, but you know, it's not like they
Speaker 1: weren't selling tickets. But this is what led to The
Speaker 1: Rock coming up with the idea for Cody's Soul, and
Speaker 1: those conversations led to the idea from Triple H suggesting, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't we turn John Cena heel? But really, if
Speaker 1: you think about what Rock said on the Pat McAfee show.
Speaker 1: Really what he did, I think it's fair to infer
Speaker 1: this from the comments that he made. He revealed that
Speaker 1: they had no real big creative direction for their key
Speaker 1: match for WrestleMania, and what it boiled down to was
Speaker 1: Ari Emmanuel wanting Rock to come into to goose ticket
Speaker 1: sales for the pl e before WrestleMania, which is crazy, Like,
Speaker 1: weeks before the Chamber Triple h just randomly comes up with, Hey,
Speaker 1: why don't we turn John cita Heel, one of the
Speaker 1: biggest stars in the history of our company who's in
Speaker 1: his retirement year. You know, we hadn't thought about this,
Speaker 1: so hey, why don't we turned John Cenaheel? Like, isn't
Speaker 1: that the sort of thing they should already have thought
Speaker 1: about two months before their biggest show of the year.
Speaker 1: So let me go through what he said here, because
Speaker 1: it's a lot too unpack here in rock speak, said,
Speaker 1: speaking as DJ as Rock director of the Board and
Speaker 1: not the final Boss, I got to tell you that
Speaker 1: let's start with that ending and start with John becoming
Speaker 1: the seventeen time heavyweight champion and becoming legitimizing himself. He
Speaker 1: says as being without question the goat he is on
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore. Now got to kick a guy off to
Speaker 1: put him on. I think now Dusty goes to the back.
Speaker 1: He was always on my Mount Rushmore. He goes on
Speaker 1: the back there with me. I'll be raising my eyebrows
Speaker 1: back there in the back of Mount Rushmore. But I
Speaker 1: think that the way John at the end of the
Speaker 1: night raising the title, that was the bottom line, that
Speaker 1: was the north Star.
Speaker 2: And I loved it. I love that moment.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to go on to have this
Speaker 1: insane run as a heel. And what I love about
Speaker 1: this and what I love about John is I like
Speaker 1: to think that I keep not only my finger on
Speaker 1: the pulse of things. You and I have talked about this.
Speaker 1: Don't keep your finger on the pulse of put your
Speaker 1: whole hand on the pulse of things. And that way things.
Speaker 1: And that means what is he saying here, meaning the
Speaker 1: fans in their sentiment. And I love that the fans
Speaker 1: are so engaged, they're so connected to John's heel turn.
Speaker 1: Now I see a few fans saying that, oh, I
Speaker 1: really don't believe he's a bad guy. So he's playing
Speaker 1: a bad guy. But here's the thing, you don't have
Speaker 1: to believe that he's a bad guy. You know why,
Speaker 1: because he's not a bad guy. He's a good guy.
Speaker 1: I've known the guy for twenty years. We've gone up
Speaker 1: and down to Helen back. We talk all the time,
Speaker 1: we text all the time. He's not a bad guy.
Speaker 1: He's telling the truth now and you could feel that
Speaker 1: in his delivery because he's telling the truth. This is
Speaker 1: twenty five years of Imagine going out every single night
Speaker 1: for twenty five years, regardless of where you're at and
Speaker 1: knowing that you're gonna get cheered and know that you're
Speaker 1: going to get booed, and in some places it's even harder,
Speaker 1: you're going to get booed out of the building. That's
Speaker 1: a hard psychological place to be. I give John so
Speaker 1: much credit, and he goes on from there and he's
Speaker 1: he's giving scene of more praise for taking a risk
Speaker 1: and going heal. But then he gets into the real
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of this. He goes I got a
Speaker 1: call about a month before the elimination chamber from Ari Emanuel,
Speaker 1: who we know owns TKO. TKO owns WWE. He's been
Speaker 1: my longtime business partner and one of my best friends
Speaker 1: for over twenty years. He said, we need help at
Speaker 1: Elimination Chamber. Ticket sales are a little slow. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: he goes, what we're finding is with Elimination Chamber, it's
Speaker 1: become the pay per view that's been interesting. You know,
Speaker 1: fans have fun, but it's also a conduit to WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: And how do we create an elimination chamber that people
Speaker 1: have to tune in to see?
Speaker 2: How do we create that?
Speaker 1: And he goes, right now, we don't have that, and
Speaker 1: he said, let's have the Final Boss show up. What
Speaker 1: if the Final Boss appear years and the Elimination Chamber?
Speaker 1: I said, well, let me give it some thought and
Speaker 1: let me get back to you on that. And so
Speaker 1: I did, and I got back to Ari, and I
Speaker 1: got back to Triple H and Nick Cohn and we
Speaker 1: had a call and I said, I have an idea.
Speaker 1: What's most important to the Final Boss. It's not titles,
Speaker 1: it's not money, it's not fame, been there, done that,
Speaker 1: grateful for that. Final Boss wants your soul. So then
Speaker 1: he gets into this discussion about how it was a
Speaker 1: litmus test. They were taking a temperature check to see
Speaker 1: how the fans would respond to Cody possibly going heel
Speaker 1: and selling his soul to the Rock, and he basically
Speaker 1: he believes that Cody's got this great heel run in him.
Speaker 1: He's not wrong when he says that, I think Cody
Speaker 1: has it within him to have a great heel run
Speaker 1: down the line.
Speaker 2: And Rock was saying all the right things here in
Speaker 2: this interview.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about turning Cody heel now, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about doing it down the road. What I believe is
Speaker 1: that Rock probably wanted Cody to go heel.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I think the idea it was for Cody Rose to
Speaker 1: sell his soul to the Rock, And there were people there,
Speaker 1: whether it was Cody himself or Triple H, who had
Speaker 1: enough sense to say no and push back and say
Speaker 1: that's a fucking dumb idea, which it would have been.
Speaker 1: It would have been a fucking stupid idea for Cody Roads,
Speaker 1: their number one babyface right now who up until recently,
Speaker 1: it wasn't until this program with John Cena that we
Speaker 1: first started seeing fans booing Cody in some places, his
Speaker 1: reactions were still rock solid, right one of their top
Speaker 1: merch movers, Like people bought into Cody Rhoads. The American
Speaker 1: Nightmare WWE champion. As he was coming upon his first
Speaker 1: year as champion, he was getting good reactions from the crowd.
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, and this was always going
Speaker 1: to be a risk, you know, putting him in there
Speaker 1: with John Cena. Whether Sena was a babyface or a
Speaker 1: heel in some places, and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was just the veguest thing for WrestleMania. We saw it
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago on TV. There now are at
Speaker 1: least pockets of people who have taken to booing Cody,
Speaker 1: not happening before this. So yes, Rock absolutely Cody down
Speaker 1: the road great heel. I don't believe for a second
Speaker 1: that he's looking at this and going, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: want Cody to go heill now, but like you know,
Speaker 1: later on down the road. No, I think he did
Speaker 1: want Cody to go heill now. And I think John
Speaker 1: Cena was the second choice. And Triple H is the
Speaker 1: one who kind of threw it out there and said
Speaker 1: what if John won heel, which Rock in this interview said, oh,
Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea. I said, I love it,
Speaker 1: But now you got to ask John how he feels
Speaker 1: about it, And of course John seen is gonna say
Speaker 1: yes because John Cena has said before like he shows
Speaker 1: up to work and this is how he was with Vince,
Speaker 1: where he doesn't politic he doesn't lobby for matches. He
Speaker 1: has said, I've never in my entire career lobbied for
Speaker 1: a match. I want to work with this guy, gotta
Speaker 1: work with this person. And I get the sense that
Speaker 1: he shows up and maybe he'll have some creative input
Speaker 1: into certain things, but he largely just kind of goes
Speaker 1: with the flow. Whatever they want me to do, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're the boss, I'll do it. I mean, it seems
Speaker 1: pretty apparent, even based on what they've had him do
Speaker 1: here during this program.
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, John, what do you think about this? Okay? Sure?
Speaker 1: And of course, because John Cena he's got one foot
Speaker 1: out the door, he's got one foot out the door already,
Speaker 1: he doesn't care and he's probably thinking, okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: never had the chance to do this before, you know,
Speaker 1: after I had been you know, turned baby face. I
Speaker 1: wanted to go heel. We didn't do it. So yeah, okay, sure, fine, whatever,
Speaker 1: he's practically already done. He doesn't give a shit you
Speaker 1: want me to turn heel I'll turn heel, sure, But
Speaker 1: the whole thing with Rock, you know, and Cody and everything,
Speaker 1: it was Meltzer. It was actually Meltzer many many months ago,
Speaker 1: who I think was the one who reported that Rock
Speaker 1: wanted Cody to go heal and there was pushback and
Speaker 1: Sena was the second choice. And you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people have mocked Dave for his reports on this
Speaker 1: and other things that he has gotten wrong, but you
Speaker 1: know what, he has owed an apology not only by
Speaker 1: myself and other content creators, but honestly by the Rock.
Speaker 1: Because after that report came out months and months ago
Speaker 1: that Rock was not going to be at WrestleMania, Rock
Speaker 1: himself applied to someone's comment on Instagram and said, in
Speaker 1: so many words that that's bullshit or don't buy into
Speaker 1: that bullshit. So if anybody owes Meltzer, honestly, the biggest
Speaker 1: apology should be coming from the Rock, because as it
Speaker 1: turned out, he was right, and the Rock was sitting
Speaker 1: on his ass at home watching WrestleMania just like everybody else.
Speaker 1: But he went on and on about how smart Cody
Speaker 1: is and what an intelligent guy he is, and oh,
Speaker 1: you know, Triple H is great. You know, I've been
Speaker 1: kicking around ideas with this guy for twenty years, and
Speaker 1: you know, all this stuff and blah blah blah. He's
Speaker 1: letting us into the creative process here and how this all,
Speaker 1: you know, this all came together. And then he said,
Speaker 1: we had this great thing at Elimination Chamber. This is
Speaker 1: you know, very successful segment with him and John Cena
Speaker 1: and Travis Scott. And he called John after the Elimination Chamber.
Speaker 1: I talked to him, I talked to Cody, and I said,
Speaker 1: I think the Final Boss's work here is done. Like
Speaker 1: we've established it. We've pulled off the greatest angle in
Speaker 1: the history of professional wrestling other than Hulk Hogan turning
Speaker 1: heel back.
Speaker 2: In the nineties.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he said that, by the way, because that's
Speaker 1: still number one. He said, I think this is amazing.
Speaker 1: We have six weeks now, let's build you now, go
Speaker 1: out there and build to it, go crush it, and
Speaker 1: I'll be right there with you, and I'm always here
Speaker 1: if you need me. But I think it's best for
Speaker 1: the Final Boss to not be involved in that finish.
Speaker 1: You guys go, You've got six weeks to plan for that,
Speaker 1: which again is crazy to me that they were that
Speaker 1: close to WrestleMania, their biggest event of the year, and
Speaker 1: seemingly had no other grand plan, or maybe they did,
Speaker 1: and they were very easy to just sort of cast
Speaker 1: it aside and have six weeks to try to build
Speaker 1: something with a guy who wasn't even going to be
Speaker 1: there every single week. I mean they did that turn
Speaker 1: at Elimination Chamber. We didn't see seen it for two weeks.
Speaker 1: Two weeks later, he showed up, never even addressed Cody.
Speaker 1: Roads showed up the following week in Glasgow, didn't really
Speaker 1: address Cody Rhads. Cody addressed him, but he had nothing
Speaker 1: really to say about Cody. It wasn't until they got
Speaker 1: to London at the very end, almost a month. It
Speaker 1: was basically a month after the Elimination Chamber, and we
Speaker 1: got a great back and forth between Cody and Sina.
Speaker 1: Finally it took a fucking month to get it. And
Speaker 1: that was basically all we got on until the night
Speaker 1: before Madio and they were on SmackDown together, So Sina
Speaker 1: wasn't even there every single week Rock. It actually would
Speaker 1: have been helpful. I think for Rock you can plug
Speaker 1: him into a spot here and there, maybe on a
Speaker 1: week where Sina wasn't going to be there. But again,
Speaker 1: you know in this bill to WrestleMania, what was missing
Speaker 1: is they decided to tell this story or Sina did.
Speaker 1: This is his take on it, where, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give the fans what they want. You want gear,
Speaker 1: you want new music. I'm not doing this because I
Speaker 1: know you want it. You get nothing from me, right,
Speaker 1: That's the story they've decided to go with. The problem
Speaker 1: is a year ago, you think back to that build
Speaker 1: to WrestleMania forty, which ended up being great, but it
Speaker 1: was a complete just clusterfuck how we got there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I look back on that and it's like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe that we had Cody Rhodes win the Royal Rumble
Speaker 1: and then the idea was for The Rock to just
Speaker 1: show up and take his spot the way that he did,
Speaker 1: and that somebody thought that that was a great idea.
Speaker 1: I don't even know the Triple h honestly thought that
Speaker 1: was a great idea. But you know, this is what
Speaker 1: the Rock wants to do. When The Rock wants his
Speaker 1: match with Roman Reigns, which he ended up not getting
Speaker 1: because he saw the blowback, and this is the thing
Speaker 1: about The Rock. He's very, very cognizant of the online
Speaker 1: reaction because he saw the reaction and he had a pivot.
Speaker 1: He talked about this in the making of wrestle Batia
Speaker 1: forty documentary. That's where the meme photo comes from. He's
Speaker 1: sitting there and he's he's waving his arms around. He's
Speaker 1: talking about how this happened and how that happened, and
Speaker 1: got to listen to the people. Sometimes he was getting
Speaker 1: just destroyed by people on social media. So they pivoted
Speaker 1: and we ended up with the Final Boss and in
Speaker 1: the end it all worked out. But even the weeks
Speaker 1: where Rock wasn't on the show, he would record these
Speaker 1: social media videos and these Instagram videos and I look
Speaker 1: forward to him every Friday there was going to be
Speaker 1: a new ig drop from the Rock and he'd be
Speaker 1: cutting a promo on Cody and Mama Rhodes, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was entertaining and it got people excited for WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: and of course it helped having that big storyline payoff
Speaker 1: where Cody's got to finish the story. Roman finally loses,
Speaker 1: like you weren't going to have that this year, and
Speaker 1: so there is that recognition that whatever they were going
Speaker 1: to come up with for Wrestle Media this year probably
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be able to match that moment because
Speaker 1: last year was like the big payoff to everything, but
Speaker 1: we didn't have any of that this year. They shot
Speaker 1: an angle with Rock and Seena standing side by side
Speaker 1: together at the end of the elimination chamber. What did
Speaker 1: they think the fans were going to thing? This is
Speaker 1: what aggravates the shit out of me. There are times
Speaker 1: where you will have these wrestlers or you know, people
Speaker 1: who work for the company that will go well, just
Speaker 1: you gotta let it play out. You can't just fantasy
Speaker 1: book everything and you're gonna You're gonna come up with
Speaker 1: all these grand ideas and when they don't happen, well,
Speaker 1: you have nobody to blame for it but yourself. Sometimes
Speaker 1: that's true. I'm guilty of that. Sometimes your mind is racing,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this could go this way and this
Speaker 1: way and this way, and then when it goes that way,
Speaker 1: it's like, ah, fuck, that sucks. Yea, this idea was better.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but you're the one who, you know, decided
Speaker 1: to try to come up with all these ideas and
Speaker 1: you set yourself up for disappointment. But in this case,
Speaker 1: you cannot tell me that they expected most people to
Speaker 1: look at what they did in Toronto on that show
Speaker 1: and not assume that there was now an alliance of
Speaker 1: some sort between The Rock and John Cena and that
Speaker 1: we wouldn't see them at some point at least once
Speaker 1: or twice together standing in the ring on TV like
Speaker 1: we had Rock and Romans standing together united the ring
Speaker 1: on TV. In the build up to last year's show,
Speaker 1: we got nothing. John Cena wasn't on social media cutting promos,
Speaker 1: dropping him every week when he wasn't there. John Cena
Speaker 1: didn't do shit outside of what we saw him doing
Speaker 1: on TV. He posts his motivational quotes on X like
Speaker 1: he always does, and that's it. And we only got
Speaker 1: him when we got him, which wasn't every week. We
Speaker 1: didn't have that same level of engagement. We didn't have
Speaker 1: the same kind of fun leading up to this match
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania, and then we had last year. Oh, but
Speaker 1: that's what John Cena wants. He doesn't want you to
Speaker 1: have fun. That's the whole point, Solomon, So you're missing
Speaker 1: the whole point of the story. This is not supposed
Speaker 1: to be fun This is not supposed to be fun Boy.
Speaker 1: Is that a shitty build to WrestleMania. I hope that's
Speaker 1: not gonna be the way it is for the rest
Speaker 1: of the year. I hope we didn't get a shitty
Speaker 1: main event at WrestleMania because it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: that way, because we got John Cena for the rest
Speaker 1: of the fucking year. The way people will try to
Speaker 1: rationalize these things is ridiculous to me. I cannot hold
Speaker 1: anybody respond who saw what they did at Elimination Chamber
Speaker 1: and got excited, assuming that we were going to get
Speaker 1: Rock and Seena together on TV in some way, or
Speaker 1: certainly we would see some kind of follow up or
Speaker 1: pay off to this WrestleMania with the two of them,
Speaker 1: and they gave us nothing. People have a right to
Speaker 1: be disappointed. People have a right to be upset about that,
Speaker 1: and they don't need it thrown back in their face
Speaker 1: like they're wrong for not enjoying what they're being given.
Speaker 1: Triple h was making comments like that leading up to
Speaker 1: WrestleMania the interview he did with Peter Rosenberg Man, I
Speaker 1: wish the critics would just fuck off, just be a fan,
Speaker 1: just shut up.
Speaker 2: And enjoy the ride.
Speaker 1: Remember when Rock showed up on NXT back in January.
Speaker 1: First we had him on the Netflix premiere and he
Speaker 1: was board member Dwayne pointing out Cody in the front row.
Speaker 2: He's my boy.
Speaker 1: Me and Cody were going to share some teremana later,
Speaker 1: and people like they were aghast, like this is how
Speaker 1: you follow up to all the Rock and Cody stuff
Speaker 1: from last year. Now they're like best friends. It's ridiculous
Speaker 1: that that's the follow up.
Speaker 2: To everything here.
Speaker 1: But then he showed up on NXT and he said,
Speaker 1: I didn't plan any comments. I have no idea what
Speaker 1: I'm going to say. I'm just going to go out there,
Speaker 1: And it was very apparent that he had not given
Speaker 1: any thought to what he was going to say, and
Speaker 1: maybe he had a little Teremana before he went out there.
Speaker 1: Because that promo, that whole segment to close out that
Speaker 1: episode of nxtm me, I know why they did it,
Speaker 1: because they popped a huge number. I think they did
Speaker 1: like nine hundred and fifty thousand people on CW that night.
Speaker 1: But it was fucking terrible. But you remember what Rock
Speaker 1: said during that promo. Basically it was like shut your
Speaker 1: mouth and enjoy the ride the Rock is going to
Speaker 1: take you on. The Rock is thinking twenty steps ahead.
Speaker 2: No, he's not.
Speaker 1: He was full of shit when he said that, literally,
Speaker 1: just trying to come up with shit to say before
Speaker 1: they went off the air. They just wanted to rock
Speaker 1: on the show to pop a number, which they did great.
Speaker 1: It didn't mean anything, There was nothing. There was no
Speaker 1: substance to what he was saying. Let the Rock take
Speaker 1: you on the ride that he's going to take you on.
Speaker 1: There was no ride. There's no ride. This ride went
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Speaker 1: of the match. Now I would have finessed things a
Speaker 1: little differently on how they got there, but that's just
Speaker 1: me creatively. There's a lot of minds in the room,
Speaker 1: but that's my thought. But ultimately the bottom line is
Speaker 1: I love John getting number seventeen. My thoughts are always
Speaker 1: to Cody because of what we've established with him and
Speaker 1: his story and the kind of babyface that he is.
Speaker 1: So if done right, and I think if it was
Speaker 1: finessed right and if nuanced right down the road, that
Speaker 1: could work, that guy can have an incredible not only
Speaker 1: babyface run again his champion, but also an unheard of
Speaker 1: run as a heel down the road. And then I'm
Speaker 1: not being involved in the finish of the match, he said.
Speaker 1: They know when I come to them and them meeting
Speaker 1: Triple H and Nick and Ari and I lay this
Speaker 1: out and I say, hey, here's how I really feel
Speaker 1: it should go. We can insert the final boss in
Speaker 1: the end of this finish, but then where do we go?
Speaker 1: There are other commitments that I have, and I want
Speaker 1: to also be careful that we're not overstepping and leaning
Speaker 1: over our skis too much here to get involved with
Speaker 1: the finish, And I said, why get involved when the
Speaker 1: spotlight should just be on John seventeen time heel Champion.
Speaker 1: What does twenty twenty five look like. If this man
Speaker 1: is saying he's going to ruin professional wrestling, that to
Speaker 1: me is the anchoring storyline. It's not the soul right now.
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, but we'll go back to it
Speaker 1: at some point. We'll get back to the soul stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, down the road, and he's, you know, again,
Speaker 1: blathering on and on and on, and he admits that
Speaker 1: when Travis Scott came out at WrestleMania that most people
Speaker 1: would have expected that Rock was coming out next, and
Speaker 1: that's where he made the comment about how he was
Speaker 1: trying to be diplomatic about it. Well, I would have
Speaker 1: done this a little bit differently. I would have finessed
Speaker 1: this or adjusted that. That was basically his way of
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, Triple h and the career of
Speaker 1: minds who put that finish together. They either didn't run
Speaker 1: it by Rock and so he's basically throwing him under
Speaker 1: the bus, or he maybe was aware of what they
Speaker 1: were gonna do, but he's like, I better come out
Speaker 1: here and say, well, you know, I would have done
Speaker 1: this maybe a little bit differently, because people are shitting
Speaker 1: all over it because it was fucking stupid, Like it
Speaker 1: was very, very dumb. The minute that Travis Scott came out.
Speaker 1: You heard Fien Fien fifty thousand times that weekend. But
Speaker 1: here comes Travis Scott. You have to assume just based
Speaker 1: on how the elimination cham pranded, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: is the last time we saw Travis Scott. We also
Speaker 1: saw Rock Rock literally walked to the ring with Travis Scott.
Speaker 1: What do you think people were expecting? And that's what
Speaker 1: just blows me away about this entire thing, that there
Speaker 1: were people who actually thought this was a good idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do the finish this way. We'll have Travis Scott
Speaker 1: come out, and then we'll have Sena do all the
Speaker 1: heel things that he'll Sena would do, and then he'll
Speaker 1: just pin Cody and that'll be the end of it.
Speaker 1: But you know, in a way, even though it might
Speaker 1: not have affected the direct finish of the match, Travis
Speaker 1: Scott was still out there affecting the outcome of the match. Right,
Speaker 1: he took Cody's attention briefly away from John Cena. He
Speaker 1: did play a role in the finish of this match,
Speaker 1: and the Rock never showed his face. Would it have
Speaker 1: made that much of a difference if Rock just showed
Speaker 1: up and stood in the eye away and clapped for
Speaker 1: John Cena, maybe at least it would have made sense
Speaker 1: of things. You know, there are some people who I
Speaker 1: saw trying to make the argument, well, Sena never really
Speaker 1: sold his soul. He just went heel, Right, he just
Speaker 1: kicked Cody in the balls, and he's articulated since then
Speaker 1: why he did that. He resents Cody and so that's
Speaker 1: why he did what he did. None of it makes
Speaker 1: any sense, and anybody trying to make sense of it, honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean, is just embarrassing themselves. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: John Cena had already won the elimination chamber the night
Speaker 1: that he turned heel. He won the elimination chamber. He
Speaker 1: had a guaranteed WWE Championship match of WrestleMania. And so
Speaker 1: you look at it now and you say to yourself,
Speaker 1: why didn't they just save the sceni heel turn for WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Why did Rock even have to be involved in this
Speaker 1: in the first place.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: Let's take him at his word that Ari Emmanuel came
Speaker 1: to him practically begging and saying, Rock, can we get
Speaker 1: you on the Elimination Chamber. Tickets are a little soft,
Speaker 1: Tickets are a little egy. I wonder why. I wonder
Speaker 1: how much those fucking tickets were. Tickets are a little soft.
Speaker 1: We need the final boss on the show. Ari Emmanuel
Speaker 1: didn't come to The Rock and say, we need you
Speaker 1: involved with Cody Rhodes and John Cena, we need you
Speaker 1: involved in the top story on the show. He just said,
Speaker 1: I need you in Toronto for the Elimination Chamber so
Speaker 1: we can move more tickets, so we could put your
Speaker 1: name on the poster. Remember when they updated the poster
Speaker 1: for the Elimination Chamber, they took everybody off except The Rock. Literally,
Speaker 1: the Rock was the only one on the updated poster.
Speaker 1: They made it all about him. Nobody said that he
Speaker 1: had to be involved with Cody in this He could
Speaker 1: have done anything on the show. He could have had
Speaker 1: a throwaway comedy segment with somebody in the mid card
Speaker 1: that he could have given a fucking rock bottom to.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have mattered if all they were interested in
Speaker 1: was selling tickets. The tickets were already bought and paid for.
Speaker 1: You get your Rock appearance. And truly, if he's not
Speaker 1: going to be involved in the bill to WrestleMania, he
Speaker 1: goes home mission accomplished. You moved a few thousand extra tickets.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: But he came up with this whole elaborate idea about
Speaker 1: Cody's soul and everything else. As soon as he inserted
Speaker 1: himself into this main event storyline, he had an obligation
Speaker 1: to follow through with what people would have expected out
Speaker 1: of it, which is that the Rock is going to
Speaker 1: be involved. Otherwise, I have no fucking idea why he
Speaker 1: came up with that idea in the first place. He said,
Speaker 1: let me get back to you, I'll come up with
Speaker 1: an idea. This is all on him. This is all
Speaker 1: on him. This was his idea, and I can only
Speaker 1: imagine somebody like Triple You know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: talk about the relationship between Rock and Triple H. And
Speaker 1: there are a lot of conspiracy theorists out there. I
Speaker 1: don't really think it's all that big of a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: There has always been, always been, going back to when
Speaker 1: they were still young guys trying to make their way
Speaker 1: in this company, a professional tension and jealousy between the two.
Speaker 1: And I think the jealousy part was probably more from
Speaker 1: Triple H's side because Rock came in and he got
Speaker 1: he got a lot, a lot quicker than Triple H did.
Speaker 1: Because Triple H came in ninety five. Rock came in
Speaker 1: at the end of ninety six and it wasn't all
Speaker 1: rainbows for him initially with the Rocky mai Via stuff,
Speaker 1: but within a year he was already on his way.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there was a jealousy there, and they
Speaker 1: came up right neck and neck, right they were coming
Speaker 1: up at the same time. That's why I say I
Speaker 1: think Triple H and Rock like Rock is his greatest rival.
Speaker 1: Very telling that he didn't mention Rock, by the way,
Speaker 1: in his Hall of Fame speech mentioned a lot of
Speaker 1: people but not Rock, but there was I think there
Speaker 1: was always that tension there between them. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say they hate each other. Maybe at one time
Speaker 1: they did, but you can't tell me that there are
Speaker 1: not a lot of games being played behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: a lot of tit for tat. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: shit going on behind the scenes that we could talk
Speaker 1: about what we think is going on, but we probably
Speaker 1: don't even know the half of it. And I'll get
Speaker 1: to another aspect that is here in a moment. But
Speaker 1: if you're Triple H and you're the head of creative
Speaker 1: right you're the chief content officer, it's got to be
Speaker 1: frustrating when the Rock just shows up, whether Ari told
Speaker 1: him to or the Rock decided he wanted to and
Speaker 1: blows everything up, Like what the original plan for WrestleMania
Speaker 1: was going to be before the soul stuff. I would
Speaker 1: love to know, like what they had, what they had
Speaker 1: set in stone here two months before their biggest show
Speaker 1: of the year. I go all the way back to
Speaker 1: Bad Blood. Everybody was trying to like, oh, connect the dots.
Speaker 1: This was all mapped out from a year earlier. This
Speaker 1: is long term storytelling, This is long term booking. This
Speaker 1: is cinema. They're cooking all these fucking dumb one words
Speaker 1: people come up with the describe as shit. Rock showing
Speaker 1: up at Bad Blood was nothing but Rock just wanting
Speaker 1: to show up. He had his belt, He had his
Speaker 1: Brahma bull belt that was given to him by Muhammad
Speaker 1: Ali's widow. He walks all over the place with it.
Speaker 1: He shows up at Bad Blood and then we don't
Speaker 1: see him again for months until the Netflix premiere, and
Speaker 1: then that's not the Rock, that's a Dwayne the board member.
Speaker 1: So tell me what was the point of the Bad
Speaker 1: Blood thing?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: If this was all part of long term booking and
Speaker 1: long term storytelling, what the hell was the purpose of
Speaker 1: his appearance in Atlanta at Bad Blood? There was none.
Speaker 1: He got people talking, but it didn't lead to anything.
Speaker 1: It went nowhere. So this is the kind of nonsense.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Triple H looks at this and goes, ah,
Speaker 1: fuck you, He's he's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be on the show.
Speaker 1: All right, we got we gotta upend everything and come
Speaker 1: up with you know what we're gonna do here. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of that going on. Look at
Speaker 1: the Dave Lagrecis stuff. Okay took to his Instagram this
Speaker 1: morning to respond to Dave Logreca criticizing the Rocks comments
Speaker 1: on Pat McAfee's show now logreca I'm busted Open. He
Speaker 1: went on a huge rant coming out of the WrestleMania
Speaker 1: Made event on Sunday, to the point where I was
Speaker 1: a little worried for the man's health. But he was
Speaker 1: not happy about that finish either. But then there was
Speaker 1: a whole other rant on Busted Open about some of
Speaker 1: the comments that Rock made on McAfee's show, and in
Speaker 1: particular the comments he made about how well, you know,
Speaker 1: I would I would have finessed or adjusted the creative
Speaker 1: a little bit on how they did things at WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: But you know, that's just me.
Speaker 1: And basically he said the same thing that I said before,
Speaker 1: and I agree with him one hundred percent. He effectively
Speaker 1: threw Triple H and his team under the bus with
Speaker 1: those comments because what he was saying you don't have
Speaker 1: to read, you know, too hard between the lines to
Speaker 1: see what he was saying. He may have enjoyed, you know,
Speaker 1: John winning number seventeen and the way that happened, but
Speaker 1: if the Rock had full control the way that he
Speaker 1: would have liked to, then that finish would not have
Speaker 1: gone down the way it did. Maybe Travis Scott wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been there because now he's taken a ton of
Speaker 1: flack for not being there because Travis Scott was there
Speaker 1: and led everybody to believe that he would be there.
Speaker 1: So anyway, he responded to Lagreca, is what he said, Hi, Dave,
Speaker 1: the business is a complete work, always has been, always
Speaker 1: will be, every aspect of it, every match, every interview.
Speaker 1: Please join me, Cody, Cina, Brian talking about Brian Gowertz
Speaker 1: and the rest of us for our creative discussions so
Speaker 1: you can expand your perspective. Until then, stop ranting. It's
Speaker 1: not healthy, my friend, enjoy the show. PS tell Bubbaret
Speaker 1: that I have Grand Marnier and hushpuppies for all of us.
Speaker 1: So evidently Paul Leveck falls under the category of the
Speaker 1: rest of us. That's certainly not going to quiet the
Speaker 1: people who think that there is a lot of underlying
Speaker 1: tension here behind the scenes between the Rock and Triple H.
Speaker 1: And again, I don't think that's some grand conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: I think that absolutely is something that is a real
Speaker 1: thing that is happening, and that may be the most
Speaker 1: interesting story of all that plays out in these next
Speaker 1: few years in WWE, because Can I envision a WWE
Speaker 1: one day where it's Rock and Gowertz is sort of
Speaker 1: his chief of staff, his right hand man, basically what
Speaker 1: Patterson was to Vince. Can I envision a power structure
Speaker 1: creatively in this company one day, and I don't know
Speaker 1: when that would be, but one day where Rock is
Speaker 1: the guy in charge, calling the shots and coming up
Speaker 1: with the ideas, and Gowertz is his head writer or
Speaker 1: his right hand man. Absolutely, and I think Triple H
Speaker 1: knows this. So the minute that you see the WWE
Speaker 1: business begins to take a dip and the numbers begin
Speaker 1: to dip because business may be booming right now, but
Speaker 1: it don't boom forever. What goes up must come down.
Speaker 1: When that happens and things start to soften and come
Speaker 1: back down to earth, that's when things get very interesting.
Speaker 1: And Triple H, I'm sure one hundred percent understands this,
Speaker 1: but you know him saying, you know, just just enjoy
Speaker 1: it and stop ranting again, very similar to what we
Speaker 1: heard Triple H saying in the lead up to WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: And I just think it's completely insulting, you know, to
Speaker 1: the fans when you just basically tell them shut up.
Speaker 1: And just enjoy the show. We know what we're doing,
Speaker 1: you don't, and just enjoy what we feed you, enjoy
Speaker 1: what we give you. That was basically the Vince McMahon
Speaker 1: mentality for so many years, and it almost feels like
Speaker 1: we're right back to that, or maybe it never really changed,
Speaker 1: but this is how they really feel, and the mask
Speaker 1: is sort of slipping a little bit. And I think
Speaker 1: the reason Triple H made the comments that he did
Speaker 1: and sounded very defensive, which he was. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this on on TNT the other day.
Speaker 1: I said, when when your Triple H and you open
Speaker 1: your little rant as he did by saying this is
Speaker 1: going to sound defensive, it's because it sounds defensive. And
Speaker 1: the reason I think he was so defensive is because
Speaker 1: this is really the first time since he has fully
Speaker 1: taken over as the head of creative where he was
Speaker 1: really getting it, you know, as far as the criticisms
Speaker 1: for the Road to WrestleMania, he was really getting hit
Speaker 1: hard and taking it on the chin in a way
Speaker 1: that he didn't last year or even the year before.
Speaker 1: And he's not used to that. Right, He's the Savior,
Speaker 1: thank God, the evil bad man is gone, and we
Speaker 1: have Triple H now running creative and I do think
Speaker 1: we've gotten more good than bad. I'm certainly not like
Speaker 1: one of these fucking idiots who's like, oh, we need
Speaker 1: Vince back. We got to have Vince back now, Like
Speaker 1: sit the fuck down. But he hasn't taken criticism like this,
Speaker 1: and I think he's getting very defensive about it, and
Speaker 1: that's why you see him lashing out because we didn't
Speaker 1: hear any of this in the lead up to WrestleMania
Speaker 1: last year, but we got it this year. So the
Speaker 1: whole situation and just to me, it's a mess. Rock
Speaker 1: even coming out and making the comments he made, like
Speaker 1: the fact that this was announced so late in the
Speaker 1: day on Monday, he realized he had to do some
Speaker 1: damage control here. He had to try to clean this up.
Speaker 1: He had to try to clean up his image because
Speaker 1: he cares very deeply about his image. He's had some
Speaker 1: PR disasters before, and so he wants to make sure that,
Speaker 1: you know, he can kind of deflect some of the
Speaker 1: heat away from him. Well, you know, I only got
Speaker 1: called in Kazari needed me to sell some tickets, and
Speaker 1: I didn't want the spotlight to be on me. I
Speaker 1: wanted to take a step back, which I mean that
Speaker 1: the whole idea there is just very rich. But this
Speaker 1: is where we are now. The Rock is not involved.
Speaker 1: The Rock was never supposed to be involved, and it
Speaker 1: makes what they did that much worse. And you can
Speaker 1: look back on it and go, boy, you know, this
Speaker 1: would have worked out so much better if they would
Speaker 1: have saved that John Ceny Healter very much like what
Speaker 1: they did with Austin in two thousand and one, which
Speaker 1: ended up being a terrible idea. You know, for business,
Speaker 1: this is a little bit different. Scene is on his
Speaker 1: way out. You know, he's not the top guy anymore
Speaker 1: like Austin was at the time. It's not an apples
Speaker 1: and apples thing. But working it that way would have
Speaker 1: been so much better. Like forget Travis Scott, forget the Rock.
Speaker 1: If the Rock wasn't going to be a part of
Speaker 1: this thing, he never should have been involved in the
Speaker 1: first place. The soul stuff never should have happened. This
Speaker 1: should never have been about the Rock, which is all
Speaker 1: it turned into after that. It should have been Johnsena
Speaker 1: wins the elimination Chamber because he didn't win the Royal
Speaker 1: Rumble and the Chamber may have been his last shot
Speaker 1: to go right into a championship match. It's his final WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: and if they really wanted him to win that title
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania and not push it off until Summer Slammer
Speaker 1: sometime later in the year, then you do the match
Speaker 1: John Cena going for Number seventeen, feeling the desperation to
Speaker 1: break the record, and during the match he does the unthinkable,
Speaker 1: him kicking Cody and the nuts at WrestleMania in the
Speaker 1: way he did that would have been an amazing moment
Speaker 1: that then led into a finish that nobody would have expected.
Speaker 1: You get the combination the one two punch here of
Speaker 1: Sina goes heel and he wins Number seventeen. But this
Speaker 1: is not the way we thought it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: And then he goes on from there to have this
Speaker 1: heel run where he's counting down the number of dates
Speaker 1: he's got left and he's very stoic, and I'm here
Speaker 1: to ruin wrestling, and this is why I did what
Speaker 1: I did, Like, there were so many other ways, better
Speaker 1: ways to tell this story, but they just seemingly didn't
Speaker 1: give it enough foresight, and they just came up with this.
Speaker 1: It was almost very haphazard, just if you believe what
Speaker 1: The Rock says, and that, to me is the most
Speaker 1: stunning part of this entire thing. What little forethought they
Speaker 1: put into what they ended up doing and the way
Speaker 1: that they did it. If you made a list of
Speaker 1: the five ways they could have gotten from point A
Speaker 1: to point B, they went with the absolute worst possible plan,
Speaker 1: and that's how they closed that WrestleMania this year. And
Speaker 1: it sucks and it'll go down. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say it was the worst. It will go down as
Speaker 1: one of the worst finishes to a WrestleMania that they've
Speaker 1: ever done in terms of how they got there. It
Speaker 1: didn't have to be that way. Rock never should have
Speaker 1: been involved in this in the first place. It was
Speaker 1: one big tease for something they never intended on delivering on.
Speaker 1: They had an obligation, i think, to the fans to
Speaker 1: really give them a heads up and let them know
Speaker 1: The Rock wouldn't be there, and it would have been
Speaker 1: very simple. It would have been very very simple. Instead
Speaker 1: of ignoring the Rock and pretending like he didn't exist
Speaker 1: in those initial weeks coming out of elimination Chamber, it
Speaker 1: could have been a very simple statement from The Rock
Speaker 1: or even Sena on behalf of The Rock, mentioning that
Speaker 1: the Rock basically said, Okay, you know, my job here
Speaker 1: is done. The rest is up to you. But let's
Speaker 1: be honest here. They wanted people to think that Rock
Speaker 1: was going to be there because that just added to
Speaker 1: the interest.
Speaker 2: In the show.
Speaker 1: They probably didn't want to come out and say Rock
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be there. I think they were very
Speaker 1: duplicitous about the entire thing. They knew exactly what they
Speaker 1: were doing. You know, even those Rock t shirts everybody
Speaker 1: was showing pictures of. Even though those Rock has finally
Speaker 1: come back to Las Vegas shirts were made last year.
Speaker 1: They were made over a year ago for the Wrestle Maydia,
Speaker 1: a kickoff to for I think people think they were
Speaker 1: made brand new for this year. They weren't, but evidently
Speaker 1: they were spotted in Vegas. If they were on sale,
Speaker 1: that's even worse. I mean, if they took those old
Speaker 1: shirts and had them on sale and they're in their
Speaker 1: shop in Vegas. I wasn't there, so I can't confirm
Speaker 1: that they were on sale in Vegas. But if they were,
Speaker 1: that makes it even worse. But maybe that's why. Maybe
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, okay, let's keep people thinking the
Speaker 1: Rock will be there. Maybe he'll change his mind, maybe
Speaker 1: he will show up. Rock never should have been involved
Speaker 1: in this though in the first place, and the fact
Speaker 1: that Travis Scott and The Rock not being there is
Speaker 1: what a lot of people will now forever associate with
Speaker 1: John Cena breaking the record or winning number seventeen in
Speaker 1: his final WrestleMania match is an embarrassment and had they
Speaker 1: worked things just a little bit differently, this could have
Speaker 1: been an all timer as far as finishes to a
Speaker 1: WrestleMania and the way it worked it wasn't all timer,
Speaker 1: but for all the wrong reasons. And there's no amount
Speaker 1: of spin or damage control that The Rock can do
Speaker 1: that is going to fix that.