Speaker 1: Okay, I'm recording. Hi. Yeah, we have a backup fire going.
Speaker 2: Okay, sweet one, two three, Hello everybody. It's Laura Eisenhower.
Speaker 2: I am joined today by my two really good friends,
Speaker 2: Tyler Koala and Aaron Khon, the podcast host of Journey
Speaker 2: to Truth. Man, you guys have been at this for
Speaker 2: years and you have this really really incredible documentary coming out.
Speaker 2: You've been doing this podcast for such a long time,
Speaker 2: and you both just recently put out two books, Waking
Speaker 2: to the Infinite Universe Aaron and bleed Through Tales from
Speaker 2: Another Timeline Tyler, And my gosh, I mean this is
Speaker 2: just in the last couple of years and now this documentary,
Speaker 2: So congratulations on all of that. And you're endless hard work, exhaustible, inexhaustible,
Speaker 2: and I mean there's no turning back for humanity after
Speaker 2: this documentary. This is like, really really an eye opening
Speaker 2: compilation of so many people's experiences and your research and
Speaker 2: a lot of doc connecting. Can you talk to us
Speaker 2: about this documentary, your process behind it, and how it
Speaker 2: all kind of came together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, First of all, thank you for all the kind words,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much, so grateful to be here
Speaker 1: with you. You know. Actually, I'm going to rewind a
Speaker 1: little bit before I answer your question. We technically met you.
Speaker 1: I've met you for the first time in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: in Hawaii, actually where we're going to be again in April.
Speaker 1: For those who are interested. There's still tickets available if
Speaker 1: you'd like to join us, but and Laura will be
Speaker 1: there again, and we specifically invited you back as like
Speaker 1: a reunion type of thing. You you were one of
Speaker 1: the first people that we came across that actually treated
Speaker 1: us like people like you know, and not not not
Speaker 1: saying anything negative about anybody, but you've always you've given
Speaker 1: us the time. You gave us the time when we
Speaker 1: were nobody and now here we are and we've built
Speaker 1: you know, it allowed us to it gave us confidence
Speaker 1: to build ourselves into this and now you see the
Speaker 1: byproduct of that. We've done many events, books, podcasts, now documentaries,
Speaker 1: and this film was something that the idea came about
Speaker 1: three years ago. A little over three years ago. We
Speaker 1: had already put out our first documentary, The Kahokia Mounds,
Speaker 1: The Untold Story, which is also pretty good, I think
Speaker 1: in my opinion, especially for a first time film. And
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to do another one. I knew
Speaker 1: we could do better, and I've always wanted to. You know,
Speaker 1: secret Space Program has always been a passion. You know,
Speaker 1: we all resonate with it on some level for probably
Speaker 1: because we're connected or involved if we remember this stuff.
Speaker 1: And we had interviewed so many people, and there was
Speaker 1: really no good documentary out there that was covering it
Speaker 1: like how I felt it should be covered. In fact,
Speaker 1: the exact opposite was happening. We saw a lot of
Speaker 1: hit pieces and big names in euthology trying to make
Speaker 1: a mockery out of the Secret Space Program due to
Speaker 1: certain individuals who did a lot of damage to movement,
Speaker 1: I would say. So I felt like, man like new
Speaker 1: people are going to be finding this information every day,
Speaker 1: and if all they come across is a hit piece,
Speaker 1: is what a disservice to the people who were actually
Speaker 1: involved and have stories to tell. So we wanted to
Speaker 1: take the most credible people we could find, including yourself
Speaker 1: who was in the film, and just basically make a
Speaker 1: documentary painting a picture of the Secret Space Program for
Speaker 1: the skeptic, for people who don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: build a case for the Secret Space Program. But not
Speaker 1: shy away from the wood details because you know, in
Speaker 1: order to tell the story, you just have to tell
Speaker 1: the story, and that involves crazy stuff that's hard to believe.
Speaker 1: But I think we delivered it in such a way
Speaker 1: that it doesn't scare you off. I tried to make
Speaker 1: it intriguing, visually compelling, you know, neuro linguistically engaging, just
Speaker 1: a whole thing had to be. It's like walking in
Speaker 1: tightrope between entertainment and education, and you can't bore people.
Speaker 1: You don't want to shoot off too many fireworks. You
Speaker 1: have to find a balance that it's like a voice
Speaker 1: of reason, like we wanted to be a voice of
Speaker 1: reason for this information, for this secret Space program topic
Speaker 1: and take it seriously and not focus on just criticizing
Speaker 1: or cutting down other people who are telling his stories.
Speaker 1: And most of the time what happens is people out
Speaker 1: there make films and they just the whole film is dedicated.
Speaker 1: It would be a two hour feature film dedicated to
Speaker 1: debunking the movement, which in my opinion, if you have
Speaker 1: to spend if you make a two hour feature length
Speaker 1: film with professionally produced documentary just to debunk something, in fact,
Speaker 1: you're validating it, because what's the point otherwise, you know.
Speaker 1: So this has been three years in the making. Hours
Speaker 1: lost count of the hours it took and trips and
Speaker 1: money and all the stuff it took to put this
Speaker 1: film together and learning the hard way every step of
Speaker 1: the way. We're not filmmakers, we're not producers. You know,
Speaker 1: I can't. I lost count of the YouTube tutorials that
Speaker 1: I watched to you know, learn tips and tricks and
Speaker 1: editing programs and this and that. So it's really a
Speaker 1: grassroots effort. And I actually watched other documentaries as like
Speaker 1: research projects, and I would see how they did things
Speaker 1: and how they framed things and how like the most
Speaker 1: famous films are doing producing their documentaries now. So I
Speaker 1: use that as a guideline. So we fit in and
Speaker 1: we're relevant. And it's it's out now on our Patreon.
Speaker 1: You can purchase it and I'll send you that link
Speaker 1: so you can put it below. But it's really going
Speaker 1: to hit the streaming platforms hopefully in a couple of months.
Speaker 1: You know, we have to submit it and it takes
Speaker 1: time for that ball to get rolling. So it's going
Speaker 1: to be out there on Amazon Prime, Roku, Hulu, potentially
Speaker 1: Apple TV, I mean, we're putting it out there to
Speaker 1: all of them. We'll see which ones bite. But that
Speaker 1: ball is rolling and works. So this is the first wave,
Speaker 1: and hopefully once it hits the streaming platforms, you know,
Speaker 1: it'll get even further and bigger and further and reach
Speaker 1: you know, some of the people out there that I
Speaker 1: think need to see it, they really won't find it
Speaker 1: on our Patreon for now. So in a nutshell, without
Speaker 1: saying too much more, that's kind of where we're at
Speaker 1: with it. And Aaron, if you wanted to piggyback off
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said yeah, I mean, like you said, the
Speaker 3: main goal, Well, I guess there's kind of two main
Speaker 3: goals to it. Were number one, to reach, as you say,
Speaker 3: the skeptics, or I would just say, people that just
Speaker 3: don't know anything about this stuff. We wanted to make
Speaker 3: it as digestible as possible and as as you know,
Speaker 3: there's there's so much. This is a vast subject and
Speaker 3: it gets very quote unquote out there, right, it gets
Speaker 3: very like esoteric, and you know, talking about ets and
Speaker 3: other planets and ships and you know, super soldiers and
Speaker 3: go down the cloning, go down the list. Right, there's
Speaker 3: just so much that somebody that doesn't have any background
Speaker 3: in that information might be turned off if you go
Speaker 3: kind of like too much too soon, you know. So
Speaker 3: we kind of tried to make it and also as
Speaker 3: three D meaning like the is much earth based, right,
Speaker 3: earth based and military and things like that as possible,
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of that, you know, and there's
Speaker 3: so much evidence there. So we're trying to cast a
Speaker 3: wide net essentially to We're like, Okay, if somebody knows nothing,
Speaker 3: not even anything about any of the UFO stuff, euthology
Speaker 3: or or anything, you know, would to come across this,
Speaker 3: would they not be turned off? You know, even if
Speaker 3: there's things in there they might be like eh, would
Speaker 3: they at least be intrigued and be like, whoa, there's
Speaker 3: definitely something to this. So we kind of had that
Speaker 3: goal in mind to capture a wide audience, get them
Speaker 3: interested in realizing there is some something real going on
Speaker 3: here and I'm going to investigate further. And number two
Speaker 3: I would say is we wanted to kind of bring
Speaker 3: the credibility back to this subject that unfortunately has been
Speaker 3: very damaged over at least the last five or six
Speaker 3: years or really longer, but especially over that timeframe based
Speaker 3: on a certain individual who I'm not we're not going
Speaker 3: to name here, but it's unfortunate because it seems like
Speaker 3: ninety percent or more of people that came across the
Speaker 3: subject came across it because of this individual or because
Speaker 3: of the show on Gaya that kind of like really
Speaker 3: popularized the subject, and this person was on that show,
Speaker 3: so they kind of, in most people's minds, became synonymous
Speaker 3: with the subjects, or at least like in their minds,
Speaker 3: at least he was the first person to come out,
Speaker 3: which is not true at all, but in most people's minds,
Speaker 3: they don't they didn't really research it as much as
Speaker 3: we have, so in their minds, oh, he was the first,
Speaker 3: and then everyone else came after him, and then because
Speaker 3: of his behavior and things kind of like in their minds,
Speaker 3: discredited the whole subject, kind of like throwing the baby
Speaker 3: out with the bathwater. And then I've even seen so
Speaker 3: many people seem to think everyone else was just copying
Speaker 3: off of him, like he was the first and everyone
Speaker 3: else is just copying off of him and stealing his
Speaker 3: and that is not true. I know, you know that, uh,
Speaker 3: And in fact, there were people well before he ever
Speaker 3: before anyone knew who he was or came public. There's
Speaker 3: tons of whistleblowers and insiders that talked about this many
Speaker 3: many years and decades ago. There's a whole history going
Speaker 3: back decades of the subject and experiencers that came out
Speaker 3: you know, many many years ago, well before that. So
Speaker 3: but if you don't know that, you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: ninety percent of people that know about the subjects seem
Speaker 3: to not understand that, and it kind of all gets
Speaker 3: discredited because of because of that unfortunately, So we're trying
Speaker 3: to bring that credibility back. We're trying to reverse the
Speaker 3: damage that was caused there. And you know, at least
Speaker 3: for sure in the communities that we're in, I think,
Speaker 3: well for sure, you know, watch this film and realize,
Speaker 3: wait a second, there is something here. This is very real,
Speaker 3: and hopefully people even outside of our community this, you know,
Speaker 3: we're rapping this will be a catalyst for who knows,
Speaker 3: maybe they're awakening in general, or at least to take
Speaker 3: the subject seriously and do more research and dive down
Speaker 3: the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: Wow, what an incredible intention. So much gratitude that you're
Speaker 2: you know, doing that because it's gotten so messy and
Speaker 2: you know, fragmented people are you know, handling this subject
Speaker 2: for sure? And you guys have witnessed so much since
Speaker 2: the beginning, the events that you've done, and all the
Speaker 2: podcasts that you've had. What was the hardest part about
Speaker 2: making this film?
Speaker 1: You think, I will go out on the limb and say,
Speaker 1: there were a number of things that I believe happened
Speaker 1: were attempts to thwart the film's effort. People, individuals, just
Speaker 1: things that happened in our lives during the process of
Speaker 1: this that tried to destroy our credibility as podcasters. And
Speaker 1: a number of things happened that were heartbreaking. And there
Speaker 1: were things even that you know, down to a private
Speaker 1: you know, the private level in my life that I think,
Speaker 1: you know, during the editing process, there was some difficulties.
Speaker 1: Things were happening in my life that didn't seem natural,
Speaker 1: that seemed like they just get were like setbacks in
Speaker 1: the film or just like I really wanted to focus
Speaker 1: on it and I had to focus on this today
Speaker 1: and say just things like that, it was actually there.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of pushback along the way, and
Speaker 1: people don't understand that. And I was like, man, this
Speaker 1: subject I'm like, somebody does not want this subject covered
Speaker 1: like this, And so that was the hardest part. Everything
Speaker 1: else comes from the heart. It's a passion project, so
Speaker 1: that all was easy. I mean, there's a lot of hours,
Speaker 1: and I guess the second hardest part would be just
Speaker 1: so much time in front of the computer, which is
Speaker 1: more time than I'd like to spend, but that's what
Speaker 1: it takes to do a film like this, And so
Speaker 1: there was pushback, and you know, it was you know,
Speaker 1: I spent an unhealthy amount of time hours behind the computer,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, took a toll on my
Speaker 1: physical health a little bit. But I'm getting back in
Speaker 1: the gym and stuff now. But that was just because
Speaker 1: I was so focused on the project. Other than that,
Speaker 1: the rest of it it came easy because we had
Speaker 1: known these We knew It's not like we were finding random people.
Speaker 1: In fact, we knew our no and our friends with
Speaker 1: everybody in the film or you know, if they're still alive,
Speaker 1: because there's a number of people that appear in the
Speaker 1: film that are no longer with us, unfortunately. But it's
Speaker 1: so we understood, we knew these people's stories inside and out.
Speaker 1: It's not like We're new to this, so I knew
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted from each person's testimony to include,
Speaker 1: to really build this, to paint this picture right, and
Speaker 1: to build this case for the secret space program. But
Speaker 1: I don't think as a filmmaker just going out there
Speaker 1: trying to cover this subject without having the background that
Speaker 1: we do, I don't think it could be as impactful
Speaker 1: because you have to know these testimonies inside and out.
Speaker 1: You have to know the subject inside it out to
Speaker 1: really deliver something that's impactful. And I think that was,
Speaker 1: you know, that was the passion and the motivation and
Speaker 1: the whole just idea behind the film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I don't feel like there's anybody more
Speaker 2: qualified than the two of you. So what were you
Speaker 2: going to say, Aaron?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, over the last few years we've
Speaker 3: watched you know, we've seen like some big names in
Speaker 3: ufology or in the disclosure community or whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it, kind of like either due to a
Speaker 3: straight up hit piece. Its either like you said, or
Speaker 3: kind of pretend to do a pretend to cover this
Speaker 3: topic in a legitimate way, but then like basically debunk it.
Speaker 3: Kind Of like I'll just say, like WI Files, did
Speaker 3: you know where they do that with a lot of
Speaker 3: subjects actually where they'll they'll cover it and it sounds
Speaker 3: very researched, and partly it is, but then there's a
Speaker 3: lot of dis info in there as well, things that
Speaker 3: aren't you and then you know, they'll basically it basically
Speaker 3: is like this syop that like makes you think the
Speaker 3: subject's been fully covered and everything you need to know
Speaker 3: has been covered and there's basically nothing here and move along,
Speaker 3: you know, And especially when it's a you know, a
Speaker 3: channel like that with millions of viewers, it's like, oh great,
Speaker 3: so you know, most people are getting funneled into that
Speaker 3: things like that, and then they're like, yeah, that's basically bs,
Speaker 3: nothing to see here, move along, you know. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: sounds very interesting, it's interesting. It's an interesting concept. Yeah,
Speaker 3: constant fictional story you know, as like entertainment, but there's
Speaker 3: no reality here. Move along. And we're like, great, you know,
Speaker 3: we we need to like no, no, no, we need to
Speaker 3: let people know this is real and show them the
Speaker 3: reality here, you know, and then let them go on
Speaker 3: their own journey from there, you know, to decide. But
Speaker 3: like we need to give them the truth and the
Speaker 3: real facts and the real the real experiences, and you know.
Speaker 1: Or just delivered or just cover it in such a
Speaker 1: way that leads to people decide exactly right.
Speaker 3: And that's what we tried to do as well.
Speaker 2: Right, that's everything, because I mean, this is part of
Speaker 2: the deep state tactic, is too knowing that it's all
Speaker 2: being exposed, is to kind of mitigate it through diminishing
Speaker 2: in a subtle sort of way. And I've noticed this
Speaker 2: with just power narratives, false narratives, sound bites take and
Speaker 2: that go viral. But when I'm doing like mass articles
Speaker 2: or even my book, it's like doesn't really get around
Speaker 2: as much. It just gets minimized, I mean, just disclosures,
Speaker 2: so like satanic panic under every video. Yeah, i mean
Speaker 2: it's crazy. So what did you make sure was in
Speaker 2: the documentary that you've noticed as a common thread amongst
Speaker 2: many experiencers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there was a very specific angle I wanted
Speaker 1: to approach this with was involving people that were in
Speaker 1: the military. Now, there's a number of secret space program whistleblowers,
Speaker 1: right that have memories and have experiences, but they're just
Speaker 1: average jos And I'm like, unfortunately, we're still in the
Speaker 1: place in the collective where you listen to the guy
Speaker 1: in the lab coat, you listen to the guy with
Speaker 1: the military credentials. It seems more credible that way, and
Speaker 1: that's the only way we're going to reach a broader
Speaker 1: audience is to include all the people in the film
Speaker 1: to have military backgrounds or like yourself, who your grandfather,
Speaker 1: you know, great grandfather was actually the president, and just
Speaker 1: a number of people that have somehow credentialed enough to
Speaker 1: that an average person would actually listen to what they say.
Speaker 1: And Tony rod Riggs is the rare case who's in
Speaker 1: the film where he isn't wasn't in the military, but
Speaker 1: he has a lot of boots on the ground evidence.
Speaker 1: We were able to go to the place that he
Speaker 1: remembered and it's this whole, very very compelling thing that
Speaker 1: not many other people can bring to the table. So
Speaker 1: it was important to present it in such a way
Speaker 1: where even like a skeptic like I said earlier, would
Speaker 1: take it seriously. And that, in my opinion, was including
Speaker 1: the people that have stories being recruited into these programs
Speaker 1: through the military, and that was a big focus. And
Speaker 1: the second focus was we're not jumping off planning yet
Speaker 1: as far as we went, and the movie was the Moon,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people have been talking about
Speaker 1: the Moon for a lot of years, and there's a
Speaker 1: whole flat Earth narrative that's trying to debunk the Moon
Speaker 1: in general, trying to say it's a hologram, you know.
Speaker 1: So we wanted to build this case also that these
Speaker 1: people like the jumping off point for the secret space
Speaker 1: program is the Moon. But primarily we focused on all
Speaker 1: the Earth based side of the testimonies. Things people can
Speaker 1: go research. They can go look up this military base.
Speaker 1: They can go look up this person's military records and
Speaker 1: see that they were actually in the military, in the Navy, army,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. They can actually things, they can go verify.
Speaker 1: If we were to jump off planet and say, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy served on Jupiter or Office and tar whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, these wild stories. No one can prove that
Speaker 1: one way or the other, and then you're just you're
Speaker 1: just telling a story. And then in this case, we're
Speaker 1: providing evidence that these people were involved in the military.
Speaker 1: This is their testimony, this is what it looks like.
Speaker 1: And if you could at least get p people to
Speaker 1: grab onto that, then maybe they'll be interested in part
Speaker 1: two of this documentary that takes it a little further.
Speaker 2: Ah, brilliant. Yeah, create that foundation and that'll help strengthen
Speaker 2: people's discernment, which is so necessary. Aaron, what were your thoughts?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on what he just said?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's exactly what we tried to do. Is
Speaker 3: you know, it's like start from start from step one,
Speaker 3: start from square one, where get put the reality you
Speaker 3: know out there of like, this is real. It's very
Speaker 3: real from an Earth based, military based perspective, three D
Speaker 3: based perspective, even without even going into all those more
Speaker 3: off planet and seem you know, seemingly more out there,
Speaker 3: even though when you understand you know, reality and what's
Speaker 3: really going on, it's not out there. It's just from
Speaker 3: a certain perception it is. But but you know, from
Speaker 3: most people, for most people, it's like you're like skipping
Speaker 3: a step or multiple steps if you just go straight
Speaker 3: you like Tyler said, oh my experience on this planet
Speaker 3: or way out there in space. You know, people that
Speaker 3: don't have the background. Again, like I said earlier, it's
Speaker 3: like you're you're skipping to a more advanced place that
Speaker 3: they're not ready for so in their mind they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is just a crazy story that somebody's making up.
Speaker 3: You know, they're lying for money or fame or attention
Speaker 3: or whatever. You know. It's it's so easy for people
Speaker 3: to just jump immediately to assume that when something that's
Speaker 3: way out of their paradigm is being said by somebody, right,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, they must be They must be either
Speaker 3: crazy or lying. Those are the only two options, right,
Speaker 3: you must be there crazy or lying. But if if
Speaker 3: you can, you know, if they can understand this is
Speaker 3: a real subject, that there is reality here and it
Speaker 3: is earth based, and there's tangible things you can investigate
Speaker 3: that show the reality of this, and then you know,
Speaker 3: at a certain point you can people once they accept,
Speaker 3: once they get there, they can be like, Okay, why
Speaker 3: wouldn't these experiences that these people are all saying be real?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: You know, if this is real? Of course, you know,
Speaker 3: not saying to just automatically believe everyone just because they're
Speaker 3: telling the story. But if they have the credentials, or
Speaker 3: if they've proven themselves, or if you understand certain concepts
Speaker 3: and certain information to be real, then it's not a
Speaker 3: stretch to especially if it's the same people that you've
Speaker 3: already you believe are credible saying these things, especially somebody
Speaker 3: like Tony who's done all this boots on the ground
Speaker 3: investigation himself, and Tyler we've you know, done a little
Speaker 3: bit with him even where he's he's found the things
Speaker 3: that he remembers that weren't in his organic timeline. But
Speaker 3: he has these very vivid memories and can go to
Speaker 3: the places and he'll he'll say the things and then
Speaker 3: he'll go there and it's all exactly how he remembers it.
Speaker 3: He has many, you know, many things that I think
Speaker 3: even the you know, the most skeptical people you know,
Speaker 3: if they truly looked at his information and what he's
Speaker 3: come across, can say, Okay, you know, I can't I
Speaker 3: at least can't explain this away. There has to be
Speaker 3: something going on, right, Yeah. So that's the step that
Speaker 3: we tried to, you know, do with this documentary as
Speaker 3: well as we could, and then who knows, maybe we'll
Speaker 3: do maybe I'm not saying, you know, maybe at some
Speaker 3: point we'll do a sequel or another one that will
Speaker 3: maybe pick up where we left off, but who knows,
Speaker 3: we'll see.
Speaker 2: So so with stories that you know people are telling
Speaker 2: that that we hear about. I mean, this feels like
Speaker 2: such an important foundation. I mean, you have to prove
Speaker 2: there's an airport in an airplane before you hear the
Speaker 2: stories of people's flight experiences. And that's that's metaphor. But
Speaker 2: it starts with that, right, and then everything kind of
Speaker 2: But what would you suggest to people? What standards do
Speaker 2: you both personally use to vet SSP testimonies even if
Speaker 2: they don't have the evidence, Like what signs do you
Speaker 2: look for?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Anything's the years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's hard because a lot of stuff is unverifiable.
Speaker 1: What we've learned over the years interviewing people, I think is,
Speaker 1: you know, we always preach due the inner work. Get
Speaker 1: to know yourself. And I've said this a million times.
Speaker 1: I sound like a broken record, but your body. Once
Speaker 1: you get to know yourself and your in tune and
Speaker 1: in alignment with yourself at a very deep level, when
Speaker 1: you hear something, your body responds to that information. Your
Speaker 1: body we all have that bullshit detector, like, man, I
Speaker 1: can't prove it, but I just know that guy's lying.
Speaker 1: Or your body will resonate with something so deeply you'll
Speaker 1: get the chills. What I call truth bumps, like you know,
Speaker 1: oh this is the truth, like this, this is actually
Speaker 1: this person's not lying to me. I think it comes
Speaker 1: down to your personal BS meter, honestly and using your
Speaker 1: gut and tapping into your intuition. That's the only way
Speaker 1: to actually vet somebody properly. Because people reach out to
Speaker 1: us and ask us what do you think of this person?
Speaker 1: They want our they value our pain, so they want
Speaker 1: us to, you know, tell them what we think. But
Speaker 1: why does it matter what we think? Is what I
Speaker 1: would say, Like if the first of all, like the
Speaker 1: fact that you have to ask about this person should
Speaker 1: be the number one indicator, because something inside of you,
Speaker 1: some alarm bells already going off. So now you're asking
Speaker 1: other people what they think. If you like, we're so
Speaker 1: moved by this person, you wouldn't be going around say
Speaker 1: I don't know what do you think it is? I
Speaker 1: can't really tell. That should be your number one indicator.
Speaker 1: So you just get to know yourself and be your
Speaker 1: own bullshit detector. I mean, I know that's not what
Speaker 1: the scientific analytical mind wants to hear, and in fact,
Speaker 1: that's exact opposite, and they just throw us into this
Speaker 1: whole category, and they might as well burn us with
Speaker 1: the salem, which is you know, I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of how it is. Unfortunately, so there's really no
Speaker 1: way in some cases you can go do some provide
Speaker 1: some real evidence. But evidence looks different to everybody. Everybody
Speaker 1: has their own version of what they want to see
Speaker 1: and what they consider evidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone has different boxes of everything outside of that
Speaker 3: doesn't count as evidence, but only this small box is that, right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just did. You can't please everyone. That's
Speaker 1: why we decide to like prevent present the information in
Speaker 1: such a way where we're not telling anybody one way
Speaker 1: or the other. We're letting all these other people tell
Speaker 1: you their experience and then you decide at the end
Speaker 1: what you think. And you know, we've included in the
Speaker 1: film and many people don't even know this, so who
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet that we at the end of
Speaker 1: the film, during the credits, we made a compilation of
Speaker 1: everybody that's ever been on our podcast that's come and
Speaker 1: blew a whistle and Secret Space program, even if they've
Speaker 1: turned on us by now, or they're they're out there
Speaker 1: publicly ridiculing us now because we support Trump or whatever.
Speaker 1: The thing is, we still included them in the film
Speaker 1: because we believe they all have an important piece of
Speaker 1: a puzzle. So when you get to the end of
Speaker 1: the film, we do Soldiers of Truth. It's a segment
Speaker 1: called Soldiers of Truth, and they all have a cameo there,
Speaker 1: and then you get to the credits, and alongside the
Speaker 1: credits is this compilation reel of everybody that's been on
Speaker 1: our show that's talked about this, and those people a
Speaker 1: lot of those people don't talk to us anymore, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: because of certain rumors that they've chosen to believe, and
Speaker 1: a few a few, But what I'm saying is it's there,
Speaker 1: and we still believe in everybody, like they all have
Speaker 1: a piece of a puzzle. Despite what has happened and
Speaker 1: what people choose to believe in or not, we believe
Speaker 1: at some level these people were authentic about what they
Speaker 1: were sharing, and we included that at the end of
Speaker 1: the film.
Speaker 2: So talk about like the highest integrity, And I've always
Speaker 2: said that about you guys, and that just shows so
Speaker 2: much about the films you do, the events that you
Speaker 2: put on. These are the greatest events that I go to, absolutely,
Speaker 2: and and and there's just that that higher mind and
Speaker 2: soul centered perspective and embodiment that just comes through all
Speaker 2: the time. So when you're not just entangled in the
Speaker 2: divide and conquer or the blame game or the pointing fingers,
Speaker 2: and you're just focused on the goal, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like you're there and come and go as you please,
Speaker 2: but you're going to stay solid no matter what. And
Speaker 2: that that's that that takes so much in the world
Speaker 2: that we're in today. So I so appreciate that about you, guys,
Speaker 2: how do you think this is gonna Because this is groundbreaking,
Speaker 2: This is groundbreaking, every in depth thought that you've had
Speaker 2: behind it, every detail that you've paid so much attention to,
Speaker 2: the intention behind it, and the content is literally gonna
Speaker 2: open so many people's eyes. Where do you think this
Speaker 2: is going to take humanity? I mean, I have a
Speaker 2: feeling this is going to spread, This is gonna dismantle
Speaker 2: so much. What do you see happening in the aftermath
Speaker 2: of that in terms of disclosure on a more public
Speaker 2: level coming from our governments?
Speaker 1: My crown just started tingling so so much when he
Speaker 1: said that I'll take this shortly, and Aaron, you could
Speaker 1: chime in but I do have something to say about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We do our stuff. We're not attached
Speaker 1: to the outcome, right, and that's kind of just we
Speaker 1: don't have expectations. We just know what this story want
Speaker 1: to tell, what we want to create, and then the
Speaker 1: universe takes the wheel from there. I've done sessions with
Speaker 1: a few people along over the years, you know, during
Speaker 1: the making of this film, just psychic sessions, I mean stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, healing, reiki, whatever. And through a few sessions,
Speaker 1: the documentary came up and basically, in a nutshell said
Speaker 1: it's going to basically take Journey to Truth to the
Speaker 1: next level whatever that means, Like it could become really
Speaker 1: big for us that's come through the sessions. We hope
Speaker 1: that happens, but we're not marrying ourselves to the idea
Speaker 1: that this thing could make us world famous or whatever. Us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's not.
Speaker 2: What I love about you guys, but so many things
Speaker 2: I love about you both, but I love it.
Speaker 1: I think that for us in the future, it's just
Speaker 1: we just keep doing what we're doing, you know, and
Speaker 1: then if the opportunities present themselves, then we'll lean into that.
Speaker 1: And that's just how it always has been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. It's just once it's out there though, and
Speaker 2: they're out on the disclosure the stage of maybe governments,
Speaker 2: you know, something like this, people are what about this?
Speaker 2: What about this? They can't just cover anything up anymore.
Speaker 2: This is what's so incredible about having this in people's
Speaker 2: hands and and their and their consciousness that that they
Speaker 2: witnessed this, they they heard this, they listened to this,
Speaker 2: they felt the energy of your intention moved through it
Speaker 2: as well. And I just feel like there's nothing that
Speaker 2: can possibly dupe humanity. There there's no disclosure that could
Speaker 2: possibly do humanity when when you when you have this
Speaker 2: kind of contribution circulating. So yeah, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: they must be scrambling.
Speaker 1: Like, oh man, well the timing of it too. You know,
Speaker 1: it'll it'll be divinely timed when it finally hits the
Speaker 1: streaming platforms. But it comes to the time where there
Speaker 1: is where there are all these other hit pieces and stuff,
Speaker 1: and it seems like these big, big films get made
Speaker 1: and people are just like, all right, good, we settled that,
Speaker 1: we no, you know, done, we can move on to
Speaker 1: the next project. And then here comes this like sleeper
Speaker 1: project that we've been sitting on for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and just it's just going to hit the streaming platforms
Speaker 1: and it's going to force everyone to scramble, Like you said,
Speaker 1: like they can't keep putting the fire out because it's
Speaker 1: the truth is inevitable, and you know, so that's really
Speaker 1: interesting to me, and and in fact a few people
Speaker 1: some of the feedback we've gotten. One of the guys
Speaker 1: here in Sedona, he's like, man, my dad's not even
Speaker 1: into this stuff, but I feel like this would do
Speaker 1: it for him, and he's going to show his dad.
Speaker 1: He's actually going to visit his dad and going to
Speaker 1: sit down and watch it with his dad this weekend.
Speaker 1: And then another person, she reached out and said her
Speaker 1: husband watched it with her, and her husband's not in
Speaker 1: this stuff, and he was like, she said, usually he
Speaker 1: gets up and walks around the house. He can't pay attention.
Speaker 1: She said, he was glued for two hours. I've never
Speaker 1: seen him do that, and he like was he was
Speaker 1: so convinced at the end of it. And she's like,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, because that's been a disconnect in
Speaker 1: their marriage. And yes, so like it's impacting people already
Speaker 1: on that level. So I feel like you could show
Speaker 1: this to a family member because so many things are
Speaker 1: changing right now. A lot of this stuff, these concepts
Speaker 1: would have been just out there years ago, but something
Speaker 1: like you know, secret space program, even time travel and stuff,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of not so hard to believe anymore
Speaker 1: because the world is changing. In the hive mind, the
Speaker 1: collective with the hundredth monkey effect, it's literally in the
Speaker 1: air now.
Speaker 3: So our government's talking about UFOs all ET's all the time.
Speaker 3: In the last few years. Disclosure just came out, which
Speaker 3: is a controlled narrative. They're trying to still control the narrative.
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things I love about this
Speaker 3: is we're going even as like conservative and our point
Speaker 3: from our point of view as this film is, it's
Speaker 3: still way out of the box of the controlled I
Speaker 3: love that.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that's.
Speaker 3: Way out of the box of the control narrative.
Speaker 2: It's stuff they do.
Speaker 3: Not want people knowing about, right, especially like the free
Speaker 3: energy and you know information that hey, we have all
Speaker 3: this advanced tech, it's not you know, and it's it's
Speaker 3: like we've had it for a long time, and this
Speaker 3: has been going on for a long time. Because part
Speaker 3: of the controlled narrative is they try to keep everything
Speaker 3: in the twenty first century. They try to get you
Speaker 3: to forget the entire history of ethology, the entire history
Speaker 3: of disclosure, or the entire you know, basically anything that
Speaker 3: was in the twentieth century or earlier. They try to
Speaker 3: kind of keep everything like, oh, this is just now happening,
Speaker 3: or we're just now really you know, studying this and
Speaker 3: taking it seriously right.
Speaker 2: Right, or like trying to hear the life out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because they're because part of that, I feel
Speaker 3: like is is trying to get you to think that
Speaker 3: there hasn't been a cover up, there hasn't been agendas
Speaker 3: going on for a long time. The same people that
Speaker 3: are telling you, oh, we're just now and we don't
Speaker 3: know what to keep it ambiguous, keep it like we.
Speaker 4: Don't really know what's going on, and no one really
Speaker 4: does and we're trying to figure it out, but we
Speaker 4: kind of know, kind of know what it is, and
Speaker 4: it's the threat and like, you know, it's like this
Speaker 4: very control and everything's so compartmentalized that you know a
Speaker 4: lot of the people like in Age of Disclosure or
Speaker 4: that are out there and the government or military or
Speaker 4: whatever talking about this.
Speaker 3: To be fair, they only know what they know, you know,
Speaker 3: what they're told or what they're privy to, and that's
Speaker 3: because that's how the system works. It's all compartmentalized. And
Speaker 3: that's one of the things we touch on in the
Speaker 3: film is this is very compartmentalized, and just because somebody
Speaker 3: only knows a certain amount of one level doesn't mean
Speaker 3: they know everything, and they might know nothing about all
Speaker 3: this deeper stuff and more advanced stuff going on. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Age of Disclosure just came out a few months ago,
Speaker 3: and you know, there was all this hype about it,
Speaker 3: and to be fair, it's great for what it is.
Speaker 3: It's a great entry level film, especially for people that,
Speaker 3: like I said before, they know nothing about any of
Speaker 3: this stuff. That's a great stepping stone, that's a great
Speaker 3: step one. I feel like our film is like the
Speaker 3: next level from that. But I love it because it's
Speaker 3: out of that box that they want to keep everybody in.
Speaker 3: They want to keep everybody, they want to they want
Speaker 3: to keep it like, we don't really know for sure
Speaker 3: what's going on, but we kind of do well.
Speaker 1: I think that film ag of Disclosure is like a
Speaker 1: perfect prerequisite for this film because if anyone was on
Speaker 1: the fence about ETU live or a reverse engineer technology,
Speaker 1: now they've came out and disclosed that that's not you're
Speaker 1: not putting that back, So we don't have to. That
Speaker 1: part of the job is done for.
Speaker 3: Us many people, Right, it's not taboo anymore to talk
Speaker 3: about ET's and UFOs and advanced technology and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. It's like now it's almost like the
Speaker 3: opposite where if you don't believe to some degree and
Speaker 3: that stuff, you'll be the weird one.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So it's great that like now it's a perfect time
Speaker 3: for us to release this film. I feel like if
Speaker 3: we would have released this five years ago or longer,
Speaker 3: I don't think it would have landed. I don't think
Speaker 3: it would would go that far.
Speaker 2: Right, really good point because some people had to kind
Speaker 2: of fall away a bit, even though it created a
Speaker 2: lot of confusion, that had to live its course. So
Speaker 2: that yeah, and so people could reflect upon that with
Speaker 2: testimony that I mean, it just grounds everything and it
Speaker 2: says the foundation to move forward. And you did this
Speaker 2: right at a full moon with the stellium of planets
Speaker 2: and Capricorn mercury.
Speaker 3: We didn't even try to know that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's one of the major timeline shift alignments
Speaker 2: for what's ahead that grounds and anchors the future we
Speaker 2: want to see. And if we're aware of that, if
Speaker 2: we're coherent in regards to that, then it's a game
Speaker 2: changer versus being unconscious and still being hooked into some
Speaker 2: distortion or inversion out there. So you guys really really
Speaker 2: were beyond in in in the timing.
Speaker 1: Of this that was that was all by chance or not,
Speaker 1: but that wasn't We didn't intentionally.
Speaker 3: That was divinely orchestrated because we did not try to
Speaker 3: do that at all.
Speaker 2: And when you think of dark Saturn, this is flipping
Speaker 2: the screen to bring it to the higher octave of Saturn,
Speaker 2: which is you know, self, mastery, discernment, you know, all
Speaker 2: of all of that good stuff. So what what can
Speaker 2: you speak on about what experiencers and those that have
Speaker 2: been in these programs are still you know, dealing with,
Speaker 2: you know, in their trauma recovery. What can you speak
Speaker 2: to us about the trauma and what so many you know,
Speaker 2: go through and the understanding we need in their healing
Speaker 2: process because you know, there might still be alters or
Speaker 2: deep state influences that are trying to get in there.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we can speak to this. I know I can.
Speaker 1: I can't speak for Aaron, but I can speak to
Speaker 1: it personally because I've I know, and I'm friends with
Speaker 1: many of the people in the film who are experiences,
Speaker 1: and they all have some form of PTSD, some more
Speaker 1: extreme than others. And the more you spend time with them,
Speaker 1: the more you talk to these people, get to know
Speaker 1: them on a personal level, you see how this has
Speaker 1: impacted their lives. And it might not even be apparent
Speaker 1: to them, but I can see it from the outside
Speaker 1: looking in, and it's done some damage. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a psychological damage that's been done. Whenever you have memories
Speaker 1: from another lifetime that don't fit into this lifetime, your
Speaker 1: brain has been fractured and fragmented and you quite literally
Speaker 1: have alters and there are things that happen in your life.
Speaker 1: And this isn't a theory. Everyone has alters. Mainstream science,
Speaker 1: and you know, psychology talks about alters. They say by
Speaker 1: the age of sixteen, the average person has person has
Speaker 1: about twelve alters. And what an alter is is an
Speaker 1: alternate personality. If you've ever been traumatized in your life,
Speaker 1: and you find yourself in a situation that reminds you
Speaker 1: of that trauma. It shifts you into a portion of
Speaker 1: your brain that responded a certain way when that trauma happened,
Speaker 1: and you actually it can be literally labeled as a
Speaker 1: different personality. But whenever you actually master that and you
Speaker 1: experiment with that, and you can create an entirely different
Speaker 1: personality that the other version half of your brain doesn't remember.
Speaker 1: I've been around some of these people where I think
Speaker 1: I see two different versions of them, and it's scary,
Speaker 1: but it's also intriguing, and I think it's proof that
Speaker 1: this stuff is actually happening. So when you're around these
Speaker 1: people long enough, you can see things in their environment
Speaker 1: or watch them shift, and you can really see how
Speaker 1: it's impacted them, and we have to. What it's done
Speaker 1: for me is made me realize how, first of all
Speaker 1: traumatic and tragic this story actually is, because it's actually
Speaker 1: these people necessarily aren't okay. If they were programmed once,
Speaker 1: they're still susceptible to the programming and left they unless
Speaker 1: they've gone on a deep healing journey, which very few
Speaker 1: of them have, and they find themselves perpetuating this victimhood
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. We see it all the time,
Speaker 1: and it's not their fault because this is just what's
Speaker 1: happened to them. And whenever you're stuck in that and
Speaker 1: then no one's out there properly teaching you how to
Speaker 1: deal with these emotions and these memories and all this
Speaker 1: stuff then and there's really no support system, and then
Speaker 1: what are you going to do besides turn to your
Speaker 1: vices and go crazy and start blaming other people in
Speaker 1: your lives for the things that you know that you're
Speaker 1: mad at yourself about or whatever it is. This is
Speaker 1: what it looks like. And and a lot of these
Speaker 1: people have their families don't talk to them anymore. They're
Speaker 1: even their husbands and wives, sometimes their kids. Is when
Speaker 1: they when they decide to share their stories and their memories.
Speaker 1: So we're looking at damaged people and this is the
Speaker 1: reality of the situation. And we could have got into
Speaker 1: a whole layer of that in the film. There's just
Speaker 1: not enough time. It's a two hour film already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that is an important part of this, and I
Speaker 1: don't think people consider that, And so I don't know
Speaker 1: if I have any advice besides, just hold space for
Speaker 1: these people and show them love through that and understand
Speaker 1: that they they have been abused and they've been traumatized,
Speaker 1: and what we're seeing is a byproduct of these programs,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they have physical ailments that I believe are
Speaker 1: a byproduct of age regression technology, which you know, James
Speaker 1: Rink unfortunately just passed away. And if his testimony what
Speaker 1: he claims happened to him is true, his physical body
Speaker 1: absolutely showed evidence of that programming, of that abuse that
Speaker 1: he suffered. So these are things.
Speaker 3: Very he was very very young. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 3: I know things happen even in people that young technically,
Speaker 3: but you know, it lines up, I hate to say,
Speaker 3: but it lines up with if everything he said about
Speaker 3: his story is true, or even part of it is true,
Speaker 3: you know, it makes sense that that would take a
Speaker 3: massive toll on somebody physically, and then they might you know,
Speaker 3: that might happen. And that's exactly what seemed to happen
Speaker 3: to him.
Speaker 2: Mister James, and rest in peace, James, Yes, and Andrew Bishago,
Speaker 2: I mean he's legally blind, he's got physical.
Speaker 3: Symptom exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know alters like what you're saying, you know,
Speaker 2: the average person, but would you say the difference though,
Speaker 2: is that the fracturing is to embed programmings connected to
Speaker 2: doing deep state operations, like like they use what would
Speaker 2: naturally occur when a trauma happens in order to weaponize it.
Speaker 2: Can you kind of help us to understand that.
Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, I mean this is this is a complex subject,
Speaker 1: but absolutely they if somebody still hasn't altered, it hasn't
Speaker 1: been integrated, meaning they haven't fully understood that they even
Speaker 1: have an alter and that something in their life can
Speaker 1: trigger that alter or a certain buzzword, then that can
Speaker 1: be weaponized against them, and they can literally they might
Speaker 1: just creates a sociopath, somebody with two you know, different
Speaker 1: personalities or d i D Associative identity disorder. This is
Speaker 1: a real issue that you know, the medical field just
Speaker 1: you know, throws pills at you, and even a psychologists
Speaker 1: might not be able to are a psychiatrist maybe not
Speaker 1: be able to help you because they're not read in
Speaker 1: on these programs. They don't understand this stuff that's so
Speaker 1: out there for them. They don't know what to do
Speaker 1: besides call you crazy and you know, throw a pill
Speaker 1: at you or put you even in an institute, you're
Speaker 1: going to say something yeah.
Speaker 2: And they have certain people that are deep state kind
Speaker 2: of own that do a false memory thing where they
Speaker 2: literally so keep going, yeah, I just want to.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was getting at So when you
Speaker 1: weaponize one of these alters, you can program it with
Speaker 1: false memories or screen memories that you don't understand actually
Speaker 1: didn't happen, because you're constantly living in two worlds at once.
Speaker 1: And it's a very sad thing because you know, unfortunately
Speaker 1: some of the accusations about us, you know, without saying
Speaker 1: too much, seem to be come from something like that.
Speaker 1: It's so hilariously out there, like you know, it's baseless, and.
Speaker 3: They seem very like one hundred percent convinced that right true,
Speaker 3: and we're like, where are you getting this?
Speaker 2: You know, that problem is it seems to be a
Speaker 2: mixed back is there's that, and there's also the denial
Speaker 2: of certain things happening, Like a lot of SRA survivors,
Speaker 2: if they go to therapy, they'll say those those things
Speaker 2: didn't happen. And then you've got the other the the
Speaker 2: other side, the other extreme that you're talking about.
Speaker 3: For sure, it's like, see, I think what you were
Speaker 3: saying is like real memories like SRA like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then and the fact that they can implant things
Speaker 2: like if they're wanting to target you to stop you
Speaker 2: from what you're doing, there's a susceptibility to that perhaps.
Speaker 3: Right, there was a big push for like, oh, we'll
Speaker 3: just say all these people's real experiences were false memories,
Speaker 3: you know, will label it and push that on the
Speaker 3: public so that no one takes them seriously. And then
Speaker 3: we can drug them and put them in a in
Speaker 3: a psych word you know. So yeah, there's that too.
Speaker 3: And then tell what you're saying is also so those
Speaker 3: two things are both are both very real.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And that's why, you know, just discernment and
Speaker 2: just when it comes to anybody's testimonies and what anybody
Speaker 2: you know has to say, it's like that that all
Speaker 2: needs to be sort of out there somewhere else to
Speaker 2: be dealt with. It's not for public consumption, for more division,
Speaker 2: more fragmentation, more needing to choose sides. And I love
Speaker 2: the way you guys handled it because you weren't looking,
Speaker 2: you know, to get immersed in it. You you just
Speaker 2: held your ground and so many times, you know, in
Speaker 2: this community, you find that the divide and conquer and
Speaker 2: the competitions or the war is really playing out, and
Speaker 2: and and and you guys just don't engage in that.
Speaker 2: And you know, the truth wins, and I and but
Speaker 2: it's not the priority to get you know, sucked into
Speaker 2: you know some of this, right, I mean, I found,
Speaker 2: you know, people that go along with that. I'm a
Speaker 2: pedophile and the Satan. You know that that people are
Speaker 2: putting videos out about no evidence. You know, I have
Speaker 2: nothing to hide, like like you can take my computer.
Speaker 2: It's like the opposite of Hunter Biden And uh yeah,
Speaker 2: like what I mean. So I've experienced it too.
Speaker 3: It's we've been on the receiving end of that as well.
Speaker 1: Right here, here's the thing. The reason I think this
Speaker 1: happens at the highest level is obviously it's weapons. It's
Speaker 1: all weaponized against us to destroy this movement and us
Speaker 1: and our credibilities and stuff. And they'll make you just
Speaker 1: want to throw in the towel, just give up. Obviously
Speaker 1: we're too we're too stubborn, we would never do that.
Speaker 1: But also they want you to engage. They know that
Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to bite your tongue
Speaker 1: about some of this stuff. And as soon as you do,
Speaker 1: which we all do, we all take debate at some point.
Speaker 1: But as soon as you do, now you're like sucked
Speaker 1: into that lower frequency and they got you and then
Speaker 1: you got to like find your way your way. It's
Speaker 1: like this, yeah, and there's really no reasoning with these
Speaker 1: people at that point. So what we decided is, like,
Speaker 1: we know it's true, and if pe our door is open,
Speaker 1: if anyone wants to reach out to us and ask
Speaker 1: us what happened and ask us questions and spend time
Speaker 1: with us whatever, like we're willing to We're willing to
Speaker 1: do that, but we're not going to go out there
Speaker 1: and defend ourselves against something that's so ridiculous that it
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. It doesn't even make sense to
Speaker 1: put energy into it. Like if we put energy into it,
Speaker 1: we're actually doing what they want. That we're giving them
Speaker 1: that reaction that they were looking for.
Speaker 2: That's time and energy away from these projects, you know,
Speaker 2: focusing on events because it's taken so much focus and
Speaker 2: so much dedication to do what you do, and you know,
Speaker 2: and it can really hurt, you know, when something is
Speaker 2: out there that's misrepresenting you. But and and you know,
Speaker 2: it takes a certain level of mastery and and you
Speaker 2: guys really have that to just keep keep going, keep
Speaker 2: keep your focus solid on on what matters most.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it helps to have thank you and
Speaker 1: it helps to have strong people in your life as
Speaker 1: a support system too, because like I will say this
Speaker 1: right here, like yeah, I can take this stuff a
Speaker 1: little harder than Aaron sometimes, and you know, sometimes it
Speaker 1: might be more personalized towards me than Aaron, but Aaron
Speaker 1: is I'll I'll reach out to him or call him
Speaker 1: and he'll talk me off to edge, talking after ledge, like.
Speaker 3: Frame it in the context of where it's coming from.
Speaker 1: He helps me, remember, like he helps he helps ground
Speaker 1: me and remember like no, this is bullshit, like you're
Speaker 1: like stop feeding into it whatever. And so many times
Speaker 1: he's played that role for me, and probably I've.
Speaker 3: Got triggered as well, though I'm not immune into it.
Speaker 3: But right, you know, and it's easy to do, you know,
Speaker 3: but but the key is to like catch yourself when
Speaker 3: you do it and try to build a habit of
Speaker 3: of It's not that you don't you know, you you
Speaker 3: listen to everyone. But if you're seeing somebody that's clearly
Speaker 3: just attacking because they they're triggered by you or whatever,
Speaker 3: your information or whatever, and they're just a troll basically,
Speaker 3: or they're just trying to get you, get to you,
Speaker 3: trying to push your buttons, try to get you to
Speaker 3: take the bait. Like Tyler said, if you can get
Speaker 3: to the point where you don't take the bait. And
Speaker 3: what we found is that you know somebody, if you're
Speaker 3: going to respond, it needs to be something worth responding to.
Speaker 3: Otherwise they're just trying to get you to take the bait.
Speaker 3: And if you even respond at all in any other
Speaker 3: way than like sending them like hey you know, I
Speaker 3: love you still, Oh that's interesting, or like something that's
Speaker 3: like totally out of left field from what they want
Speaker 3: you to respond, and that's it. Maybe and most will
Speaker 3: do that, but like or you just ignore them, and
Speaker 3: then you're not feeding them that energy that they're trying
Speaker 3: to get from. You get you caught in that energy vortex,
Speaker 3: right because they're trying to pull you down to that
Speaker 3: and then they It's like I think there's entities working
Speaker 3: through these people that are feeding off of absolutely that
Speaker 3: loosh you know that that energy, and they're trying to
Speaker 3: get you to feed them, right, so you just ignore them,
Speaker 3: they stop, they go away because you're not feeding them.
Speaker 1: In fact that you know one of the people out there,
Speaker 1: and this is probably gonn annoy people that we're not
Speaker 1: naming names, but we're not doing that intentionally, and if
Speaker 1: you were involved in this firsthand, you would understand why.
Speaker 1: But one of the people out there that's probably said
Speaker 1: some of the worst stuff about us, we still love
Speaker 1: this person to death and we pray for them, send
Speaker 1: them love and just I would love that doors open
Speaker 1: if you're listening any day for a conversation, But unfortunately,
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with alters and entities and stuff, you're
Speaker 1: not talking to the original person most of the time anymore.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of scary and more sad than that.
Speaker 1: So I understand that these people have been abused and
Speaker 1: this is the byproduct of that, and so we just
Speaker 1: send them love. Like we could easily get mad and
Speaker 1: frame this person and paint them as the enemy for
Speaker 1: all eternity, and what good does that do, you know?
Speaker 1: So it's been a lesson for us too, like there's
Speaker 1: have been lesson after lesson as far as Okay, how
Speaker 1: do we keep going, like, how how can we just
Speaker 1: keep going without this knocking us off the tracks, you know,
Speaker 1: and stay stable and be and continue to be a
Speaker 1: voice of reason for this subject and many other subjects.
Speaker 1: But I realized that in particular, we can cover, we
Speaker 1: can go down all the rabbit holes, but this one,
Speaker 1: in particular, it seems like there's some I would just say,
Speaker 1: three letter agencies behind a lot of the well, a
Speaker 1: lot of the pushback that just simply don't want it
Speaker 1: out because because that that blows the lid off of
Speaker 1: everything if this truth ever gets out.
Speaker 2: And this is the really the war on consciousness, and
Speaker 2: and I always redundantly say we have to win the
Speaker 2: war from within because there's an attack on every aspect
Speaker 2: of who we are when we stand for truth and
Speaker 2: you know, we we're we're breaking you know, this necessary information.
Speaker 2: What I love about you guys is you have the
Speaker 2: integration of the disclosure all these hidden elements, but it's
Speaker 2: fully soul centered, which is the path of ascension. So
Speaker 2: it's not compartmentalized, it's it's it's not missing anything that
Speaker 2: is so necessary. You know, the humility as well with
Speaker 2: with tremendous knowledge and and so much uh to to
Speaker 2: you know, show in your archives and and just reveal
Speaker 2: to people. It's it's a huge, huge resource that that
Speaker 2: people can count on in these times without losing the
Speaker 2: sense of connection and and progress in the development of
Speaker 2: healing and coming together in a unified way. And and
Speaker 2: you don't see those two ness's they're like working in
Speaker 2: such an integrated way out there. And and to me,
Speaker 2: it's leading by example. And you know, talk about some
Speaker 2: serious you know, spirit warriors that you guys are, and
Speaker 2: it's like I was kind of joking in my head
Speaker 2: before getting on, it's like the dynamic duo, like you know,
Speaker 2: just plactic heart based disclosure, the whole shebang. And you've
Speaker 2: always made me feel like through all my ups and
Speaker 2: downs and when I was taking things a little bit
Speaker 2: too hard and just up against all that I've been
Speaker 2: up against, you guys have remained really solid in my
Speaker 2: life and just such incredible friends. And I'm so grateful
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we have these incredible events coming up. All
Speaker 2: the events that you do are wonderful. We're going to
Speaker 2: be swimming with the dolphins and before we you know,
Speaker 2: get to that. We'll we'll talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: that before we close. Where do you feel, you know,
Speaker 2: this kind of architecture of the SSP is it's kind
Speaker 2: of going. There's positivelopments in it, and there's very like
Speaker 2: the wars playing out like beyond this earth, right, but
Speaker 2: this documentary is earth based. How how do we connect
Speaker 2: the kind of dots or see the ads above so
Speaker 2: below or the so below as above connection.
Speaker 1: Well, if I understand your question properly.
Speaker 2: Which I didn't frame very well, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, uh well, what's so where do I see
Speaker 1: it going the SSP in general?
Speaker 2: Like how like like there's the darkest parts of it.
Speaker 2: There's you know, there's things, there's uh, you know, elements
Speaker 2: to the SSP that are not out to manipulate or
Speaker 2: and slave humanity.
Speaker 1: Right, So I think it's it's complex. It's so complex,
Speaker 1: like we the documentary should have been six hours long,
Speaker 1: you know, So to understand what's happening in the dark
Speaker 1: elements of this, you got to start with human trafficking
Speaker 1: and abductions and technologies that aren't supposed to exist. In fact,
Speaker 1: that's the one thing I appreciate about even Greer. He
Speaker 1: in fact, he matter of factly said in one of
Speaker 1: his interviews or one of his little disclosure drops, that
Speaker 1: they have reverse engineered technology that they're using to traffic children.
Speaker 1: I mean, he straight up said that from military bases.
Speaker 1: That Like that was a big bombshell. I don't care
Speaker 1: for who that comes from, like it's but it meant
Speaker 1: more coming from Greer, no matter what you think of them.
Speaker 1: So this is it comes down to human trafficking and
Speaker 1: all the trafficking. And that's why I think what like
Speaker 1: what Trump is doing right now with you know, the
Speaker 1: border stuff in Maduro and stopping this cartel and basically
Speaker 1: cutting off this traffic, like really targeting to human trafficking.
Speaker 1: That is literally the foundation for the slave labor, slave
Speaker 1: labor that's used in the secret space program. People call
Speaker 1: it the galactic slave trade, where you know, these the traffic,
Speaker 1: these eight hundred thousand missing children every year, like they're
Speaker 1: probably you know, being used for a number of reasons,
Speaker 1: but one reason would be for off planet operations. And
Speaker 1: so I think that the darker side of this may
Speaker 1: never be exposed overtly, but if you know what to
Speaker 1: look for, you see it being cleaned up right now,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not ever going to be that clear.
Speaker 1: I don't think because it's an international scandal. These people
Speaker 1: have blood on their hands. They're not going to come
Speaker 1: out like you can't arrest everybody. That's like you can,
Speaker 1: but it will on their mind the whole country. You know,
Speaker 1: so or you know and more.
Speaker 3: Or the full truth is so dark and disgusting. I
Speaker 3: mean for the dark aspects of it that like who
Speaker 3: who's going to come out and say that you know
Speaker 3: to the world, and who's going to believe you're really
Speaker 3: ready right in a way of like a big public thing,
Speaker 3: like you know, it's being done through like our documentary
Speaker 3: and are these ways of like the experiencers themselves are
Speaker 3: telling their experiences and then you know, I always say like,
Speaker 3: ultimately we are just we are disclosure. When it's not
Speaker 3: up to governments or so called authorities or power, it's
Speaker 3: we are that, you know. And that's been the whole
Speaker 3: trick all long. It is to get us to think
Speaker 3: we have to give our power away to governments and
Speaker 3: so called authorities to tell us the truth or to
Speaker 3: tell us what's real. And it's like, no, we already
Speaker 3: we were, We're awakening where we're finding out the truth
Speaker 3: for ourselves and then we don't give a crap what
Speaker 3: you say or what you do.
Speaker 2: To answer to what we know, and you have to
Speaker 2: answer finally accepting whatever they throw at us.
Speaker 3: So the real disclosure comes from us. It's not the
Speaker 3: other way around, like the UFO and disclosure community. It's
Speaker 3: been propagated for so long, oh, disclosure, disclosure, and they're
Speaker 3: talking about in a way of like from outside in.
Speaker 3: It's like no, no, no, it's inside out.
Speaker 2: Like Christ's coming to save us. It's it's not supposed
Speaker 2: to be externalized.
Speaker 3: Like you said exactly. And the dark aspects you know,
Speaker 3: only only so many people are ready to understand that can,
Speaker 3: like front are spiritually healthy enough at this point in
Speaker 3: time too to understand how dark you know, so much
Speaker 3: goes on on this planet and off and and not
Speaker 3: send them to the hospital or a mental institution or
Speaker 3: or or commit suicide or who know, you know, because
Speaker 3: they can't handle it. Right. But I do think we're
Speaker 3: at a point in time where more, way more can
Speaker 3: come out now than ever before, and people can handle it.
Speaker 3: But still there has to be a process, but it's
Speaker 3: still not The process is not let's sit on our
Speaker 3: button wait for the government or authorities to tell us
Speaker 3: the truth. Like, that's why I love that we did
Speaker 3: this documentary and that we do the work we do
Speaker 3: because we're we're not waiting for disclosure. We're we're actively
Speaker 3: trying to, you know, be a part of this ongoing
Speaker 3: disclosure that's already been happening for a long time and
Speaker 3: is ramping up more and more every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the comments that we got reviews
Speaker 1: from the film was like, this documentary is proof that
Speaker 1: we are disclosure And that meant so much to me
Speaker 1: because literally I thought about it and like it's true,
Speaker 1: because if it does gain traction out there and make
Speaker 1: an impact, it's from we like it didn't like we
Speaker 1: did this, you know, and you know there's moments like that.
Speaker 1: Some of the reviews, I mean, they're just I've actually
Speaker 1: screenshotted a few of them. They've been so amazing, so kind,
Speaker 1: beyond what I was expecting. People have already watched it
Speaker 1: a few times. I mean, it's just, uh, it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, been amazing, rewarding. At the very least, it's
Speaker 1: been so rewarding already. It was worth all the hardships,
Speaker 1: time and money. You know this is a of or
Speaker 1: out of pocket for us. You know, there's nobody funding this.
Speaker 1: There's no one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just Tyler and I doing everything. We don't
Speaker 3: have a manager, we don't have outside funding other than
Speaker 3: just what we you know naturally get. Yeah, we we
Speaker 3: just do everything they on our own.
Speaker 1: Well, I realized early on trying to bring other people
Speaker 1: in it's not actually the best thing if you want
Speaker 1: to stay in integrity, because everybody wants a piece of
Speaker 1: something that you have. A lot of people come in
Speaker 1: and they want to like help do this for us
Speaker 1: or that, but to what end, Like they're they there's
Speaker 1: something in it for them.
Speaker 3: And you kind of up your sovereignty to agree. The
Speaker 3: more and more you do things like that, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like right and wa exactly. So it's always been just
Speaker 1: like we control everything that comes through Journey the Truth,
Speaker 1: and it's not because we're control freaks. It's because we like,
Speaker 1: we want to stay in integrity and our message has
Speaker 1: to come from us. Like any post that's made or
Speaker 1: anything that goes out there, people know the energy, know
Speaker 1: our energy, and they'll know if it's if we have
Speaker 1: a marketing team putting it out all of a sudden
Speaker 1: and not us. You know, they'll know it's going to
Speaker 1: be different. And I think the magic behind what we
Speaker 1: do is that it is us and there's no one else.
Speaker 1: There's no secretary. We respond to emails not timely always,
Speaker 1: but you know.
Speaker 3: Our agents like oh talk about yeah, I can relate.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't have any of that either. People
Speaker 2: are like, well, can you get this much as to
Speaker 2: Laura or can you please tell Laura that I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is I've learned all my tech stuff.
Speaker 3: Mostly there's a few that's amazing.
Speaker 2: I love that about you guys, and it's incredible, Like
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 3: That about you as well, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you just.
Speaker 2: Kind of learned this as you went along or do
Speaker 2: you have a background on this or no?
Speaker 1: No, it's all learned the hard way, every step of the.
Speaker 3: Way, every step of the way. Yeah, we've we we
Speaker 3: started out from literally it felt like zero of like
Speaker 3: knowing nothing about how to do a show or I
Speaker 3: mean we knew about the subjects a little bit, but
Speaker 3: nothing about how to do a show or a podcast
Speaker 3: or let alone documentaries or conferences or books or anything
Speaker 3: else that we've done and we've just like learned as
Speaker 3: we've gone, as we've gone, you know, and just figured
Speaker 3: stuff out on our own. We've never we could have
Speaker 3: a long time ago, and there's been opportunities people have
Speaker 3: approached us, and you know, we could have been hired
Speaker 3: out things to people, or or we had a few
Speaker 3: times somebody's like, hey, do you want to join our
Speaker 3: whatever and then but then they kind of like own
Speaker 3: you in a way agree, you know, and we could
Speaker 3: have done that because it would have been easy, and
Speaker 3: it seems they promise you the moon and all this
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, and we never did. We always were like, no,
Speaker 3: we're we're about you know, keeping our sovereignty, keeping this
Speaker 3: like we have full control of everything, and we just
Speaker 3: we want to be the i Y and we want
Speaker 3: to just do things right on schedule as we want
Speaker 3: to do them fully. And then an integrity is you.
Speaker 1: Know, I'll say too, I'll say two things to that.
Speaker 1: For one, God bless the people that make YouTube tutorials.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean seriously.
Speaker 1: I mean i feel like I've put myself through school
Speaker 1: learning how to podcast and edit film and write a
Speaker 1: book all you know, by watching these tutorials that are
Speaker 1: invaluable for free, you.
Speaker 3: Know, or things, how do I do this? How do
Speaker 3: they do that?
Speaker 1: Right? Right? And already forgot the second thing I was
Speaker 1: going to say.
Speaker 3: But we're getting advice from other other friends. There are
Speaker 3: people in the community of like, hey, how do you
Speaker 3: do the how'd you do that? You know? And and
Speaker 3: being connected, you know, we're we're not isolated away. We
Speaker 3: try to stay connected to friends in the community and
Speaker 3: people because you know, we're almost together kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And then you get help from people, you know, because
Speaker 3: you're not trying to be like put yourself on this
Speaker 3: pedestal where you're isolated away from everyone, and then you
Speaker 3: don't have that.
Speaker 1: Right Yeah, And and two I I remember what I
Speaker 1: was going to say, I, you know, quit, I quit
Speaker 1: my job to do this, and so I have my
Speaker 1: life is devoted to this. So there's no reason that
Speaker 1: I can't handle this workload because this is all I do.
Speaker 1: So if I if I want to create a thumbnail
Speaker 1: and a real and a promo and this and the like,
Speaker 1: that's my job. Like I take it that seriously. So
Speaker 1: my schedule is literally like if I don't I don't
Speaker 1: have an excuse to hire someone else out like, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes the help would be nice, and we do get
Speaker 1: help from friends and people we trust and.
Speaker 3: Just help others.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, like I see this, like
Speaker 1: I don't. There's no reason we can't show up for
Speaker 1: ourselves every day and do this, you know. So that's
Speaker 1: just where we're at. And I know we've been going
Speaker 1: on a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the books you've recently put out incredible books.
Speaker 2: I'm going to share everything in the description and and yeah,
Speaker 2: before we we we close, Uh, can you tell us
Speaker 2: about the books you just put out? Whoever wants to
Speaker 2: start first and and whatever, brief just a little description
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: And that's this Mine came out first. Sure, I've been
Speaker 3: trying to write a book for like eight years and
Speaker 3: trying as in like once every six months, I'll like
Speaker 3: be like, oh, yeah, I should start, I should work
Speaker 3: on that, and I'll write like a title thing, and
Speaker 3: then another six months. So it wasn't I wasn't taking
Speaker 3: it that seriously, and it wasn't ever super high on
Speaker 3: my priority list, but I kind of wanting to do
Speaker 3: it for a long time. And then I don't know,
Speaker 3: like it hit me all of a sudden in like
Speaker 3: very beginning of twenty twenty four that I just felt
Speaker 3: like it was time. I just I don't know why,
Speaker 3: I just and I guess it was, you know, it
Speaker 3: divinely orchestrated, right, So I felt like it was time
Speaker 3: to do it. I just really wanted to do it then.
Speaker 3: And I'll schedule to speak at our conference with Tyler,
Speaker 3: but I told him, like, hey, man, I think I
Speaker 3: want to like focus on writing my book, and I
Speaker 3: don't know if I can come up with a talk
Speaker 3: and do that the same. It'll be hard to do that,
Speaker 3: So take me off and give my spot to we
Speaker 3: end up giving to markie K. And I think Tyler
Speaker 3: probably didn't even believe that was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, well his book's been in the works for
Speaker 1: so long, but yeah, got it done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I happen to be doing a book writing course,
Speaker 3: and it was like so divinely timed that she was
Speaker 3: doing that right at the time I already wanted to
Speaker 3: write my book. So it's six week course. I wrote
Speaker 3: it in six weeks, and I you know, it's kind
Speaker 3: of all over the place, but I think I I
Speaker 3: think I accomplished what I set out too. And thank
Speaker 3: you so much for saying those kind of words about it,
Speaker 3: and then I think that maybe pushed nudge Tyler to yeah,
Speaker 3: he's done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And in Mine is a much different book
Speaker 1: than Aaron's. It talks about my story primarily, but it's
Speaker 1: corroborated by all the research and stuff we've learned, and
Speaker 1: so it's a kind of a mixed bag of things.
Speaker 1: It's a three part book, you know. It goes into
Speaker 1: my story about basically my awakening and all the things
Speaker 1: that happened to me then all the way up to
Speaker 1: like my recruitment and the Marvels program and our attempt
Speaker 1: and other recruitment attempts. Part two of the book is
Speaker 1: what I call Tales from Another timeline. It's memories that
Speaker 1: I have that are not from this lifetime but maybe
Speaker 1: their secret space programs, maybe they're whatever, but they're parallel
Speaker 1: life memories. And each chapter is a different memory that
Speaker 1: I have in part two of the book. And then
Speaker 1: Part three is basically I could bring it home message
Speaker 1: and it's just something that I've been one to write
Speaker 1: for years too, and it was, you know, divine timed,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it's called bleed through Tales from another timeline.
Speaker 1: It's on Amazon, Aaron's Books on Amazon, And if you're interested,
Speaker 1: that's great. If not, that's great. And if you liked it,
Speaker 1: the only thing I ask is leave a review on Amazon.
Speaker 1: It actually really helps. So yeah, that's all I have
Speaker 1: to say about that. And then we can kind of
Speaker 1: give everybody an idea about Hawaii too, if you'd like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, oh my gosh. I definitely want
Speaker 2: to talk to you more about the Mars thing. And
Speaker 2: I know we've talked a lot over the years, but
Speaker 2: I look forward to more conversations. And I love the
Speaker 2: name Journey to Truth because we're on a journey, right,
Speaker 2: and it's all about truth. And I'm speaking for so
Speaker 2: many when I say this. You are so loved, so appreciated,
Speaker 2: and all that you've done for humanity and for holding
Speaker 2: you know, this community together through a lot of ups
Speaker 2: and downs. It's like the skippers of this ship and
Speaker 2: like the stormy seas times, and so yes, tell us,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be there. So I know this is
Speaker 2: April twenty to twenty fifth, correct, Yes, all right, tell
Speaker 2: us a little bit about this event and what inspired
Speaker 2: you guys to pull together?
Speaker 1: Well, the Hawaii conference in twenty nineteen Cosmic Waves, where
Speaker 1: I met you. That's what inspired it. I love that
Speaker 1: trip so much, it changed my life. I've been wanting
Speaker 1: to go back to another conference there all these years,
Speaker 1: and no one was ever doing another one there, not
Speaker 1: in that capacity. So I said, well, why not, we
Speaker 1: can do it. And we had done four years in Grafton,
Speaker 1: Illinois already and it served us well and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Each event was one hundred percent successful, and it didn't
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have made sense for us to just keep
Speaker 1: doing what was easy. But you know, it has to
Speaker 1: stay exciting for us too, so we wanted to will
Speaker 1: I really wanted to more of a boots on the
Speaker 1: ground approach. That it's not that classroom style setting where
Speaker 1: we're just sitting there all day getting in just bombarded,
Speaker 1: you know, at you. So it's gonna be a much
Speaker 1: more interactive vacation slash retreat slash conference. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: out in the water, you know, get out on the
Speaker 1: boat and jump in the water and hopefully swim with
Speaker 1: some whales and dolphins. We're technically not allowed to say
Speaker 1: that because it's actually illegal to swim with dolphins in
Speaker 1: Hawaii crazily enough, and then we're going to be doing
Speaker 1: some sacred Sites tours and go into like Volcano National
Speaker 1: Park and the City of Refuge, which are beautiful places,
Speaker 1: and just getting like a boots on the ground approach
Speaker 1: to the awakening and allowing people to connect with the land,
Speaker 1: to do some grid work and still have an amazing time.
Speaker 1: You know. We have this amazing lineup, a small lineup
Speaker 1: of speakers. It's a smaller event, but yeah, so if
Speaker 1: anyone's interested April twentieth through the twenty fourth on the
Speaker 1: Big Island Journey to Truth dot Online, there's only twenty
Speaker 1: two spots left, so if anyone wants to come out,
Speaker 1: make sure you grab that. We do have virtual passes now,
Speaker 1: so you know, the in person the presentations are going
Speaker 1: to be live stream for anybody who can't make it.
Speaker 1: Fifty five dollars for a live stream pass and yeah,
Speaker 1: we've just loved love to see there.
Speaker 3: You can't afford the ticket, the live stream is a
Speaker 3: lot cheaper, yeah, and on top of you know, plane
Speaker 3: tickets and everything else. You know, we try to make
Speaker 3: it that as affordable as possible for everyone. If you
Speaker 3: can't make it in person, but if you can make
Speaker 3: it in person, there's like Tyler said, there's only twenty
Speaker 3: two tickets left, so don't wait too long. And I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a life changing event. I really,
Speaker 3: I mean tell you said that the one before change
Speaker 3: your life, and I believe it. I wanted to go
Speaker 3: to that. I couldn't afford it at the time, so
Speaker 3: I remember you went, and that's where we did Laura
Speaker 3: their first episode with you.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it, right at the table there, sitting.
Speaker 1: At the rent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 1: was so nervous. I didn't even know really who you were.
Speaker 3: And we were so excited that we had Laura. Got
Speaker 3: Laura eisenhowerd to the other show because we were brand
Speaker 3: new at that time.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, we barely had a few episodes
Speaker 1: out like you were.
Speaker 3: It was episode ten. It was a tenth episode ever
Speaker 3: that we did. Yeah, we were brand new, and we
Speaker 3: were like, oh my god, we already got Laura. We
Speaker 3: were so excited, so thank you so much for of
Speaker 3: course being our first big name guest on our on
Speaker 3: our show.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't even thinking about all that. I was
Speaker 2: just I love their energy. This is so awesome. I'm
Speaker 2: so happy. Oh my gosh, I can't wait. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: I'm already having a good time. We're not there yet,
Speaker 2: just yeh, feeling into it allays.
Speaker 1: Wait. Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Why it's so amazing anyway, you know, and the event
Speaker 3: on top of it. Yeah, I just can't I can't wait, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Some of you guys, I'm so excited about this documentary.
Speaker 2: And gosh, you keep doing events, you keep doing podcasts,
Speaker 2: and you're just you're you're you're awesome. Thank you for
Speaker 2: joining me today and talking to us about this, and
Speaker 2: my gosh, and and I love the whole idea that
Speaker 2: you know, friends and family that otherwise would not want
Speaker 2: to sit down and watch this might just do that.
Speaker 2: And and you never know, like Thanksgiving and Christmas, but
Speaker 2: might be like a big family viewing of and and well,
Speaker 2: really I feel really going to make some headway. And
Speaker 2: I can't begin to tell you how significant is your timing.
Speaker 2: And I know you know that, but just to know
Speaker 2: the astrology, it's it's, it's it's it's going to stand
Speaker 2: the test of time. It's anchoring something that the universe
Speaker 2: and Mother Earth herself has h called forth that you
Speaker 2: guys answer to and you you showed up and you
Speaker 2: keep showing up. So love you both.
Speaker 1: Take care and thank you so much, Laura. Thank you
Speaker 1: for having us on. This is amazing. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, bye bye r