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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Readers Syndicate, the only cannabis show breaking down

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<v Speaker 1>the myths and.

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<v Speaker 2>History in cannabis. I'm Matthew, seed maker for over a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>And a half and this is my journey into finding

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<v Speaker 1>my truth in this wild world of cannabis.

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<v Speaker 2>I invite you to.

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<v Speaker 1>Join me and the can Illuminati by strapping into the

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<v Speaker 3>But be worn, it's not always pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>With the invasion of corporate culture into cannabis, it's getting

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<v Speaker 1>even more muddy, which is why I've made up my

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<v Speaker 1>mission to have a permanent record before all the history

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<v Speaker 1>is lost and buried under a pile of cookies. We're

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<v Speaker 1>the Traditional Marketing Syndicate is a collection of seed bakers

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<v Speaker 1>that want to push back against all the smoking mirrors.

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<v Speaker 2>In doing so, we will continue to ruffle the feathers

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<v Speaker 2>of those who oppose, and.

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<v Speaker 1>My personal mission has become much bigger than myself. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the cannabis underground. This is the revolution. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Reader Syndicate. I'm Matthew here with my co hosts thousand four.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we will be talking about the Codex and thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and fold. Would you like to give them an introduction

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<v Speaker 2>on the Codex A brief one, what it is and

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<v Speaker 2>what it means.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Sure, so I think this episode is almost an

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<v Speaker 3>extension of the episode that we call the name Game

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<v Speaker 3>on the cannabis information space, And yeah, we are launching

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<v Speaker 3>our own quote unquote strained database that we're calling the Codex,

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<v Speaker 3>and certainly, you know, we're going to talk about databases

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<v Speaker 3>out there like file Us, Leafly, seed Finders, strainly and

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<v Speaker 3>how we got to the Codex idea ourselves, and how

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<v Speaker 3>we got to building that yep, and implicitly like make

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<v Speaker 3>a comparison between all these different WED databases and you

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<v Speaker 3>know what we think is good and we think is

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<v Speaker 3>bad about each of them and what they contributed to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a sense of cannabis and cannabis history. So far,

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<v Speaker 3>that's good. Yeah. So I don't know the Codex itself.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we'll save most of the details for the end.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I think all we can say right now

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<v Speaker 3>is that this is something that I built with the

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<v Speaker 3>help of Ousia and Anodine from the British Syndicate of course,

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<v Speaker 3>in consultation with Mett the whole time. And yeah, we

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<v Speaker 3>built it earlier in the year. So yeah, that's really exciting,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know, Matt, I think we'll get back

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<v Speaker 3>to it more fully later. Is anything you want to

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<v Speaker 3>say at this point about the codex?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just one of those things that I

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<v Speaker 2>felt always needed to be done, you know, like correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've always had this goal in mind of how

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<v Speaker 2>to do it correctly, but never a way to do

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<v Speaker 2>it correctly. And I think that there's a big demand

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<v Speaker 2>for it. I know there are other things out there

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<v Speaker 2>that people consider efficient only because maybe they're their understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of cannabis genetics is different than mine, so the perspective

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<v Speaker 2>might be different. But yeah, that's about where I'll leave

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<v Speaker 2>for now, and we'll jump into it and go deeper.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think to kind of start the countdown,

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<v Speaker 3>so to speak, we're she's going to go through yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I mentioned, these these are quote unquote major cannabis databases,

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<v Speaker 3>and the first one that we have discussed or sorry

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<v Speaker 3>I should say, Matt, you know historically has mentioned a

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<v Speaker 3>number of times everyone's favorite filos, Yes, Filos.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a tough one because this is a

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<v Speaker 2>major corporation. I remember when I first spoke out about them,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I was concerned because no one had my

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<v Speaker 2>back at the time. It was it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>a little big, It was a little bit much, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one guy going against a mega corp at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>which as far as mega corps go, there that mega.

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<v Speaker 2>But for cannabis at the time, they were making a

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<v Speaker 2>big splash, and they were backed and co signed by

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<v Speaker 2>many of the most respected like scientists and genetics, geneticists

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<v Speaker 2>and breeders in cannabis. They all of them co signed it.

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<v Speaker 2>So the promise of Filos initially was that they could

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<v Speaker 2>show variance and breeding data or I'm trying to think

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<v Speaker 2>of the best words for it, but basically they could

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how uniform it will or won't breed. And

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<v Speaker 2>they tried to say that they could tell you or

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<v Speaker 2>like basically idea was to match you up with someone

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<v Speaker 2>across the country who has equal but opposite genetic variance

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<v Speaker 2>to you, so you could then combine them and make

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<v Speaker 2>this amazing f one hybrid. That was the initial promise

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that even Philos would agree that that

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<v Speaker 2>was their initial statement how they came out, and that

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<v Speaker 2>sounded great for me, like being able to understand something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, take take the material and find out how

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to breed without having to breed with. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty interesting. You know. There could be clones that are

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<v Speaker 2>entered that I'm about to breed with, and I can

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<v Speaker 2>go look and say, oh, oh, it breeds very narrow,

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe I should match it up with this as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to this Polly hybrid or you know what have you?

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<v Speaker 3>On one thing? Met here? Was it the first kind

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<v Speaker 3>of public well publicly accessible project in cannabis that involved like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if this is the right term. Is

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<v Speaker 3>it like genomic mapping or some kind of genetic mapping.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think medicinal genomics was before them,

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<v Speaker 2>and there might have been one before however.

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<v Speaker 3>So it wasn't the first attempt.

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<v Speaker 2>At this correct however, it was I think the first

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<v Speaker 2>big money attempted this, and the first time where all

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<v Speaker 2>these massive breeders co signed something and immediately went behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys like Rob Clark, my friend time and he spoke

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<v Speaker 2>about this since you know, lots of people co signed

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<v Speaker 2>it and we're all about it, you know, Yeah, did

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>This with Chimera on one of the episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I may have, I am sure, because it's how we

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<v Speaker 2>but it is right right, Okay, So yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I was very outspoken about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I finally started having interactions with them because I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I had a certain spidy sense going off

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<v Speaker 2>because they were saying they could do also after they

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<v Speaker 2>said this this genetic testing to see how variant it is,

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<v Speaker 2>they started saying they could do genetic testing to see

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<v Speaker 2>relative data like seeing parental data, seeing like s ones,

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<v Speaker 2>to mother data, seeing you know, cousins, all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They were claiming that if they were in their database,

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<v Speaker 2>they could prove or disprove genetic relation and show how

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<v Speaker 2>they're related, which for any breeder, what.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone had been dreaming of.

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<v Speaker 2>It is my dream to have this happen in Canada,

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<v Speaker 2>like absolute dream. But usually when someone tells me that

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<v Speaker 2>they can present me with my dream, immediately I'm skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>because that's just my instinct, like, why are you trying

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<v Speaker 2>to sell me my dream? This sounds almost This hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>been done in cannabis that I know of to this extent,

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<v Speaker 2>and all these breeders are backing it. Can I ask

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<v Speaker 2>you some questions? So they did get back to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and to their credit, they called me, they're willing to

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<v Speaker 2>take questions. I asked the questions like could you tell

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<v Speaker 2>an S one from blah blah blah, and they said, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we can for sure tell an S one from its

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<v Speaker 2>mother blah blah blah. And they offered me some free

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<v Speaker 2>testing kids. Now, these were very expensive at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like, well, that's nice of them, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like, that's nice of them. They

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<v Speaker 2>give me free testing kids. Maybe they aren't so bad,

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<v Speaker 3>But I had some more.

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<v Speaker 2>Questions for them, and I don't recall what they were

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<v Speaker 2>off off hand. I could look at my email and

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<v Speaker 2>find them. But I had more questions for them, and

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like their answer again was super dodgy. So

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<v Speaker 2>again I became kind of skeptical. I'm more on the

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<v Speaker 2>skeptical side because like, now they're giving me gifts, they're

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<v Speaker 2>promising me the world or my dream.

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<v Speaker 3>At least they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Giving me free gifts to so I can see this

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<v Speaker 2>genetic relation, and still no one's being skeptical anywhere about it. Slowly,

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<v Speaker 2>but surely, they had someone pop out from their company

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<v Speaker 2>that was, I want to say, VP of marketing. I

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<v Speaker 2>might be incorrect, I might be miss speaking on that,

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<v Speaker 2>but allegedly this person was VP of marketing and it

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<v Speaker 2>was confirmed later by Pilos, and she had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>to say about what they could and couldn't do. She

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<v Speaker 2>said that they have artificially and this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>her saying this, not me. It's alleged that they had

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<v Speaker 2>artificially shifted the galaxy, which I don't know anything about.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't prove it, but that was her claim. And

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<v Speaker 2>she said that, you know, like they showed preference to

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<v Speaker 2>big spenders, which was interesting. And you know, she said

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't do long read testing there, which was

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<v Speaker 2>the most interesting to me because if they don't do

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<v Speaker 2>long read testing, it means that they're not getting the

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<v Speaker 2>full genetic read. And later on after talking to someone

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<v Speaker 2>else as having an explained which I didn't understand at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, they were having something called short read done.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you do short read, you're trying to compare

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<v Speaker 2>a short read to short read, but because of how

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<v Speaker 2>the clips work, they might not be clipped at the

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<v Speaker 2>same spot, so you'll never see that same genetic relation.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason they were doing short read is because

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<v Speaker 2>it was cheaper, and Filos allegedly I have to be

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<v Speaker 2>so careful. Was hiring out a lab to do the testing.

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<v Speaker 2>They were not an actual lab. They were having other

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<v Speaker 2>people do the testing. So again it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to save money and it shortcut their data so

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<v Speaker 2>hard that they weren't able to do what they were

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<v Speaker 2>claiming allegedly. Now, how we were able to test.

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<v Speaker 3>It was, I was going to just make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>you get into.

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<v Speaker 2>The allegedly someone sent in someone that I trust that

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<v Speaker 2>that's a very good librariy and sentence samples two filos

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<v Speaker 2>of a parent plant and S one of that plant

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and uh some other stuff, and like hybrids

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<v Speaker 2>of that mother plant that they made the S onees

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<v Speaker 2>of just to see like how these were coming back,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, they were coming back. Not related at all,

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<v Speaker 2>not even a little bit like the mother. The two

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<v Speaker 2>parent plants of one of the hybrids came back is

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<v Speaker 2>not being related and none of them were related to

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<v Speaker 2>each other, which we knew was incorrect, but because we

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be through, we assumed that we had somehow

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<v Speaker 2>messed up and started from scratch, just to be sure

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<v Speaker 2>that we got the right cuts from the right mom

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<v Speaker 2>sent them in labeled correctly, so always operating on the

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<v Speaker 2>assumption that we were incorrect, you know, and we did

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<v Speaker 2>this I think three times total, where we went back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth with them. They're like, no, our science is perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, these are obviously not related. You must

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<v Speaker 2>have made a mistake. And was Okay, well, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and do this, redo this again. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>make sure there's no mistakes and send it in second time,

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<v Speaker 2>same thing, third time, bam, same thing, And unfortunately a

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<v Speaker 2>week later, Filo shut down their genetic testing after their

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<v Speaker 2>third response because it was harding to get serious. Because

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<v Speaker 2>if someone promises they can do something very loudly as

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<v Speaker 2>their marketing as I understand it, they need to then

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<v Speaker 2>deliver on that science. If the science cannot do what

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<v Speaker 2>they're claiming it does and they take money for this service,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that puts them in a really awkward position

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<v Speaker 2>even a few years later, like because they're still operating

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<v Speaker 2>as the same company. So it's always interested me. But

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<v Speaker 2>many people are basing their conclusions on this allegedly bunk

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<v Speaker 2>genetic data. And the thing that was real weird was

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<v Speaker 2>that some stuff lined up pretty well and that was cool,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of stuff didn't. And the problem is

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<v Speaker 2>with data like that, when you have erroneous data, you

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<v Speaker 2>cannot use any of it because you cannot pick and

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<v Speaker 2>would happen, So you have to toss it all this.

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<v Speaker 3>For me, right, like just thinking about the way that

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<v Speaker 3>you you guys tested them. Right. For me, what's buzzy

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<v Speaker 3>is that from their point of view, from like a

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<v Speaker 3>this was possible and that someone would do this surely.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm also kind of still be amused about how

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<v Speaker 3>this unfolded because I'm like, surely that's such a myopic

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<v Speaker 3>strategy what they were doing if they knew what they

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<v Speaker 3>were doing fully anyway, I think someone at some point

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe like if I had a theory, if

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<v Speaker 2>my own theory, I have no basis other than feelings

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<v Speaker 2>for this theory. So don't vote me allegedly all that

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<v Speaker 2>jazz sarcastically, speculation.

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<v Speaker 3>All of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I would I would think the higher ups maybe didn't

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<v Speaker 2>understand the science or relying on the people doing the

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<v Speaker 2>testing and stuff to tell them how it was going

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<v Speaker 2>to work, and those people didn't understand fully understand the

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<v Speaker 2>cannabis genome. Yeah, just like all the just like all

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<v Speaker 2>the other agricultural people that come into cannabis, thought they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to take over our industry with a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of PhDs and then all failed out and flunked out

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<v Speaker 2>of cannabis and caused the cannabis collapse. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's it's not just them that assumed all cannabis

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<v Speaker 2>people were stupid. All PhDs that I know did that

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<v Speaker 2>came into our field. Not all, but like a good

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<v Speaker 2>portion of them, you know, like enough to make it

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<v Speaker 2>a good generalization to be pretty accurate to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to me, Filos out of this whole, out of

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<v Speaker 3>this list of databases we're going to go through, is

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest bummer for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The other ones are kind of like, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>their pros and cons. You know, some of them are

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<v Speaker 3>like middling in some way, but also they've done certain

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<v Speaker 3>things that are quite cool. This one is just like

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<v Speaker 3>really really kind of hot breaking because the promise was

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<v Speaker 3>so incredible, but the under delivery was so severe that like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's just no salvaging it. I feel like I also

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to say that, you know, we talked a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit about You asked me a little bit about my

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<v Speaker 3>personal journey into the information space on the Name Game

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<v Speaker 3>episode and actually completely forgotten that these websites were really

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<v Speaker 3>important for me too. And the Fireless Galaxy. When I

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<v Speaker 3>first saw it, I was just like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the coolest thing ever. And I couldn't believe it,

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<v Speaker 3>and come to find, of course that I shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>believed it as well. It was because what you could see.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just say this, you know the galaxy. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know for people who haven't encountered it. The galaxy is

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<v Speaker 3>this visualization of supposed relationships between all these various plants

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<v Speaker 3>in the database. It's like a graph what you call

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<v Speaker 3>a graph, not not like a chart, but like a

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<v Speaker 3>network graph of nodes and links. And why I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to highlight this is because I did take some

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<v Speaker 3>inspiration from that for our codex. Even though you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I was still very much a work in progress. There

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<v Speaker 3>was something about that visual model that I wanted to capture,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, it was just you know, if Filos actually delivered,

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<v Speaker 3>I think who knows what the downstream consequences would have

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<v Speaker 3>been if they had actually done what they said they

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<v Speaker 3>would do. But yeah, it was it was a place

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<v Speaker 3>that I liked to go into for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just one of the other problems is that

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<v Speaker 2>so many breeders, like serious breeders, have taken this data,

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<v Speaker 2>and I find myself doing it because just like everyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I was really skeptical, I was digging through

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<v Speaker 2>the galaxy because I was still so interested, right, because

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<v Speaker 2>the data is still there, like it could be real.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so interested in it because this is everything

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<v Speaker 2>I want. It answers all the potentially answered all the

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<v Speaker 2>questions that I had about my passion, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. So a lot of us made conclusions based

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<v Speaker 2>on this data and spoke very matter of factly because

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<v Speaker 2>the science was telling us this right, And even though

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<v Speaker 2>we currently understand now at least from our perspective, that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not reliable, I still find myself having to go

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<v Speaker 2>back and be like, oh wait, that's not the parent

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<v Speaker 2>to that, Why do I still think that I know

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<v Speaker 2>that that's not correct. That it happens daily, absolutely daily,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be in conversations with other breeders and we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>talking and we'll both know that this is bullshit, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll still make like be like, well, you know Pilos

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<v Speaker 2>did say, and then we'll catch ourselves be like, and

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<v Speaker 2>it really happens. That's how That's how deeply we trusted

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<v Speaker 2>the science, and how much as a man I consider

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<v Speaker 2>yourself a man of science, how much I normally trust science? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when I when I found it, I was just like, oh, finally,

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<v Speaker 3>finally I found it. Kind of vibe yeah, And I'll

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<v Speaker 3>say this other thing about the galaxy that I was

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<v Speaker 3>personally really interested in. I think the claim was that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we had that episode on baselines, right, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the claims was that the galaxy visualization would help

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<v Speaker 3>you actually like identify what the polls, the different the

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<v Speaker 3>multiple poles in the gene pool were, right, so like

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<v Speaker 3>northern lights over there, there's like og over here, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's train wreck all the way out there. And again,

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<v Speaker 3>such a dream if it were real, if it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if it actually corresponded with the real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, before one of the things that made me

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<v Speaker 2>super skeptical too was as they started adding to filos,

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<v Speaker 2>they started adding these weird categories that meant nothing. They

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<v Speaker 2>had like blueberry is a category they had or no,

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<v Speaker 2>they had blueberry inside hemp. Hemp was a category. O

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<v Speaker 2>G cush was a category. Hayes was a like it

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<v Speaker 2>was just weird shit that like this is a whole category,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were several other that were kind of weird,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you'd dropped into these categories and they never

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<v Speaker 2>really It just I don't know who came up with

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<v Speaker 2>this idea that these felt me.

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<v Speaker 3>I know who it was. It was the same person

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<v Speaker 3>who came up with the Emerald Cup categories. Yeah, sweets

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<v Speaker 3>and dreams, bro Sweets and Duram we got the same guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's It's just like, who is quantifying this as

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<v Speaker 2>og cush? I'd really like to talk to them? Can

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<v Speaker 2>we can we have this discussion? Who who made this

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<v Speaker 2>decision and why is this the scientific conclusion that blueberry

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<v Speaker 2>is hemp all of a sudden, you know, like it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was very confusing, But that was just there

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<v Speaker 2>were so many things like that that constantly popped up

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<v Speaker 2>with them certain relations they were showing that breeding showed

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<v Speaker 2>completely different to me, like the fact that they they

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<v Speaker 2>had rkle not being related to cookies at all, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>G cush not related to cookies, and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>like uh thaie a Thai land race as O G.

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<v Speaker 2>Cush clone just by Rob Clark no less, which I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I I love Rob Clark. That's that's one

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<v Speaker 2>of my heroes of cannabis. But it was all so

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<v Speaker 2>confusing and I didn't understand what was going on with

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<v Speaker 2>the data. But it was a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of things that weren't quite conclusive, contradicting each other. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, that's that's the best way to put it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I did want to just also point out

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<v Speaker 3>here if everyone that unfortunately, you know, in the past

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<v Speaker 3>episodes we've tried like sharing Matt's screen and going through

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<v Speaker 3>the web pages and all that, but you know, unfortunately

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube doesn't like that at all, so we can't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>It would have been a great episode to do that

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<v Speaker 3>on but sadly, kind of if you want to, if

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<v Speaker 3>you feel like it, pull these websites up as we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about them and have a look for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of stifled the reviews too, for if your

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<v Speaker 2>chir reviews and all kinds of stuff. Now, so you

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<v Speaker 2>will have to figure some stuff out, but we will.

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<v Speaker 3>We will. Yeah, anything else about filus before we move.

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<v Speaker 2>Just that it's it's again like i'd say, the number

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<v Speaker 2>two cannabis dirty secret other than the bait and switch,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's up there as being like the dirty

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<v Speaker 2>secret a lot of us know about, but like everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>terrified to talk about for whatever reason, because people get

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<v Speaker 2>mad because so many people have based conclusions on this

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, corporation, question from me, is the website still there?

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<v Speaker 3>Can people actually still go and see it?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I do know they stopped after that

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<v Speaker 2>a literal week, and I don't know, maybe it was

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<v Speaker 2>no correlation at all. I'm sure they're going to say

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<v Speaker 2>there was no correlation to it. But a week after

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<v Speaker 2>me and this other person that's taken very seriously in

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<v Speaker 2>our community in front of them about the results, they said,

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<v Speaker 2>no longer doing genetic testing, shutting down, going into auto flowering,

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, see you, and that was it, you know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was weird. It was super weird and the timing

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<v Speaker 2>was super interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I just looked at it. The website is still there,

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<v Speaker 3>but like it's quite different now, and yeah, the whole

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<v Speaker 3>three D galaxy thing has gone, so they yeah they've

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like, yeah, gotted it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's weird, right, Like think about all the money

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<v Speaker 2>that went into that developing it. Why would they take

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<v Speaker 2>that down? Ever? Why would they do that? Like really

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<v Speaker 2>think about that?

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<v Speaker 3>If that's yeah, yeah, I would say this money wise, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's not a small amount of money like the people

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<v Speaker 3>who did the web development for that, that would not

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<v Speaker 3>have been cheap there.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing is like, you know, like didn't

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<v Speaker 2>people pay for this data? Like what what the hell?

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you they paid for it to be up there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gone, Like that's interesting. But I mean I guess

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<v Speaker 2>they did tell everyone to download your data getting rid

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and I figured I figured at that point, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting rid of it because they don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>get see allegedly h.

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<v Speaker 3>M, I we did you want to gesture towards I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you mentioned this. Wasn't there also a

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<v Speaker 3>controversy or around how they were going to use it,

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<v Speaker 3>or like rumors about how they were going to use it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. So that that's what I like called

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<v Speaker 2>the swerve with them was that like they kept acting

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<v Speaker 2>like they were being inappropriately attacked by people, and some

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<v Speaker 2>people were like going public and saying, hey, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get your genetic data and rebuild that clone from nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>They really thought that they could take like genetic data

422
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and like plug it into a I don't know, tissue

423
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.960
<v Speaker 2>or a cell and regrow their clone from that genetic data,

424
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<v Speaker 2>which isn't even possible.

425
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Like no, I don't think so.

426
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody with any scientific understanding was accusing

427
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:37.319
<v Speaker 2>them of this. But they were just like you'd see

428
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:39.599
<v Speaker 2>them just raging back anytime they were on any kind

429
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:42.079
<v Speaker 2>of podcast talking about, yeah, we would never steal genetic

430
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>data because we can't do that, blah blah blah. But

431
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.279
<v Speaker 2>like when I was going after them and I and

432
00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:51.440
<v Speaker 2>having real questions for them and talking about what they

433
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:55.519
<v Speaker 2>just were saying and doing, that was contradicting just what

434
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.559
<v Speaker 2>on that, But yeah, we would never you know, rebuild

435
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.599
<v Speaker 2>from the It's like nobody's saying that, nobody important, nobody

436
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:05.839
<v Speaker 2>wody's serious to saying that, but we are saying some

437
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:10.599
<v Speaker 2>other stuff. Why won't you address this? And yeah, I

438
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.519
<v Speaker 2>don't know, Like the people behind Filus were super nice

439
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.839
<v Speaker 2>and that sucks because like I could have had a

440
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.519
<v Speaker 2>nice friendship with some of them. I imagine in another life,

441
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, had it not been something where something I'm

442
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.680
<v Speaker 2>so passionate about was so played with by what I

443
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:30.359
<v Speaker 2>considered maybe allegedly cultural vultures. You know.

444
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if any of you, by the way, have had

445
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.759
<v Speaker 3>experiences with Filos, definitely tell us about it in the.

446
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Comments comment below, if you ever had your stuff tested

447
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.720
<v Speaker 2>by Filos and let us know what your feelings are.

448
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it was real? Do you do you

449
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.119
<v Speaker 2>trust their data and why? Yeah? I'm interested.

450
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, even or even if you're like me, just

451
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:59.920
<v Speaker 3>like a you know, armchair whatever theorist, you know, tell

452
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 3>tell us how you feel about you know, what eventuated.

453
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm super interested to see the comments on this one.

454
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:10.759
<v Speaker 3>Super interested. Yeah. I mean, otherwise we can move on

455
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:12.839
<v Speaker 3>to Leafly if you're ready. Matt.

456
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Leafly, shit, I don't even remember when they popped up,

457
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.000
<v Speaker 2>but like they were probably one of one of the

458
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>biggest I think out of all these sites other than filos,

459
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>which was like a mega corporation, but as far as

460
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>like advertising marketing money spent on stuff like that, I'd

461
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.599
<v Speaker 2>say they were a much bigger website and probably generated

462
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:38.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot more revenue overall than filosh for other companies

463
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:43.319
<v Speaker 2>and themselves. I would imagine they were kind of like

464
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 2>a strained database where they listed what they felt were

465
00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 2>popular strain names, and they would give you blanket like

466
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>generic data about like how much percent Indica and how

467
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.920
<v Speaker 2>much percent sativa or if it was all Lindika or

468
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 2>all sativa. You know, most most of the time it

469
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:08.920
<v Speaker 2>would just say Indica, sativa or hybrid, you know. And yeah,

470
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:10.880
<v Speaker 2>it would tell you like, oh this helps with your

471
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:14.119
<v Speaker 2>anxiety and pain, blah blah blah. We give it a

472
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 2>score of six point four out of nine, you know

473
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. Like it was stuff like that, and

474
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:20.559
<v Speaker 2>it was real goofy. Yeah, yeah, I don't know where

475
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:23.279
<v Speaker 2>they got the data, Like there's like I agreed with

476
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.440
<v Speaker 2>very little on the site ever, And I remember, uh,

477
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:31.119
<v Speaker 2>there was a funny picture of a j from Sour

478
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Fail and he had a pillow that strainly had or

479
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry Lethley had sent him. He had a pillow

480
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 2>Leafley had sent him that said, uh, sour diesel and

481
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:42.880
<v Speaker 2>had like the S and then it had I in

482
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the corner for Indica and he's like sours, you know,

483
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.319
<v Speaker 2>like I just remember that really distinctly and kind of

484
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:49.839
<v Speaker 2>just snicked funny.

485
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, I don't want to add a couple of things.

486
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:58.279
<v Speaker 3>So I believe a lot of the information is crowdsourced,

487
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 3>so like not okay, I think that the like effects

488
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 3>section and the smell and flavor section. What they do is,

489
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>like I think anyone can fill out like a survey,

490
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 3>and then they aggregate this crowdsourced information and present like

491
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.319
<v Speaker 3>the aggregated results like the top you know, like the

492
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:27.039
<v Speaker 3>top scoring things from their reviews. On the one hand,

493
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.680
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of an interesting concept because as we know,

494
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:35.839
<v Speaker 3>these things are very subjective and so okay, like being charitable.

495
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 3>I can see why one would think that's cool. We'll

496
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 3>just survey lots of people, and the more people, the

497
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 3>more information we get than the better information is, which

498
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.920
<v Speaker 3>sort of makes sense in a broad in a broad way,

499
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:49.720
<v Speaker 3>real quick, real quick.

500
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Let me interject this is also something that Pilos had

501
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.079
<v Speaker 2>done when they were talking about their legacy clones, and

502
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:58.799
<v Speaker 2>it was one of my main questions that I was asking, like,

503
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>how are you determining your legacy clones? How does that work?

504
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.720
<v Speaker 2>And they were crowdsourcing. I mean, as I understand it,

505
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.640
<v Speaker 2>they were crowdsourcing. And if they got a bunch of

506
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>people entering the same cut as kim D for example,

507
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 2>that's legacy KMD. That's the real one original because so

508
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.359
<v Speaker 2>many people had it must be real. And we know

509
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.839
<v Speaker 2>that this is like a in cannabis. This is a

510
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 2>big no no because a lot of times the most

511
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.759
<v Speaker 2>past cut is the fake one, you know, like it

512
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.960
<v Speaker 2>just uncirculator. One stays here and another one goes out

513
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.519
<v Speaker 2>to the masses for twenty dollars a clone at a

514
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 2>local dispensary. Anyway, I wanted to add that part.

515
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, for sure. And again, like you know, like

516
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.200
<v Speaker 3>I was saying, broadly speaking from a high level, it

517
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:50.000
<v Speaker 3>looks like a somewhat sound strategy for the subjective, you know,

518
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.640
<v Speaker 3>getting some subjective information in a more objective fashion. Sure,

519
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.960
<v Speaker 3>but when you consider the idea that like the people

520
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 3>who are writing reviews of quote called og kush and

521
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:05.079
<v Speaker 3>the likelihood of them actually having the same you know,

522
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 3>the actual same cut or the same flower. Sample is

523
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.480
<v Speaker 3>so low that ultimately you don't really know what they're

524
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.400
<v Speaker 3>talking about. You have no idea whether they're actually all

525
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.759
<v Speaker 3>talking about the same thing or not. Yeah, exact. The

526
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.599
<v Speaker 3>other thing I would say about no, no, no, I

527
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.480
<v Speaker 3>was going to say that one of the major I

528
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.880
<v Speaker 3>think differentiating factors with Leafley as well. I think, out

529
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:31.119
<v Speaker 3>of all of these, it's the most mainstream one, I think,

530
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 3>and it's more targeted at like end consumers. I think, yes,

531
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.759
<v Speaker 3>people midway of the chain, you know or whatever. Yeah.

532
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 2>No growers really yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know many

533
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.440
<v Speaker 2>growers who, like even the people who were brand new

534
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:54.839
<v Speaker 2>knew that that Leafly was silly. Like that's just you

535
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.279
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like, if you're a grower, you

536
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 2>already know that that's incorrect just by happenstance. I just

537
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>thought that was really interesting.

538
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The the other thing that's worth pointing out as

539
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 3>well is that they do have lineage information. And I'll

540
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 3>tell you something funny. I have a really really good

541
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 3>memory of going there years ago now and seeing that

542
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure that their og kush

543
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 3>was still following that, like what is it lemon Taye Pakistani?

544
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:32.440
<v Speaker 3>But I did look at it last night, and they

545
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 3>had improved, like some of the entries, Like I remember

546
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.079
<v Speaker 3>like they had some fake stuff for Kem Dog as

547
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 3>well that they've made up and now it's all gone

548
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 3>and they just say it's like dog but unknown. So

549
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 3>they've it looks like they've made some effort to clean

550
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 3>some things up. Good for them, because have you had

551
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.680
<v Speaker 3>you've had some interactions with them? Have you met?

552
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 2>No, they're the ones that I've had like zero interactions. Okay, yeah, gotcha,

553
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Corp Corp.

554
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 3>What else were they gonna say about these guys?

555
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I remember them being involved with the Seth Rogan goofy

556
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>shit when he popped up with that allegedly houseplant satire crap,

557
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 2>and uh was doing his Kim Dowg, the sativa Kim Dowg,

558
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 2>his house plant sativa named Kim Dowg.

559
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 3>I did want to pull on one thread, which is

560
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 3>something you mentioned in the name agame of episode, which

561
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Speaker 3>is like the possible risks in saying that this quote

562
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 3>unquote strain and again like you know they don't distinguish,

563
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 3>is this like oh no, that could be wrong. I

564
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 3>think they do say whether it's a clone or like

565
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 3>a line. But the danger in them saying, hey, this

566
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 3>strain is has these effects and it's like somehow really

567
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.039
<v Speaker 3>reducible to these and like it's easy to quantify them

568
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 3>like this and that you mentioned, you know, one of

569
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.920
<v Speaker 3>your questions in the Name Game episode was like, can

570
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 3>we really call these systems like proper for more medical systems? Yes,

571
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.440
<v Speaker 3>And the problem with Leefly is that they really make

572
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 3>it look like that.

573
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's dangerous. Bro to me, that's dangerous. I think

574
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 2>it's like like in another world that's probably pretty like

575
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 2>it would be legal grounds too, Like it's scary, and

576
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they want to be in that position.

577
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they intend to be in that position.

578
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>I think they're trying to help, but like they just

579
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.319
<v Speaker 2>don't understand what the thing that they are talking about.

580
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>They don't understand the thing that they are the professing

581
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.000
<v Speaker 2>to be the all knowing narrators of being what they

582
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>are and how they present themselves. They don't even understand

583
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:45.599
<v Speaker 2>the basics of it. If they can't, if they're telling

584
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.799
<v Speaker 2>you how this is going to affect you, you know,

585
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the strain that you got at the collective name. This

586
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>is going to affect you this way? Like what the fuck?

587
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 3>No way? Yeah yeah, I mean on the on the

588
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.720
<v Speaker 3>on like a hold, I put it on like a

589
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.559
<v Speaker 3>more positive note. One thing that it does show me,

590
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 3>if nothing else, is how many people still actually do

591
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.840
<v Speaker 3>care about this information. Yeah that's so low. So that's

592
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 3>a nice thing. Like people are some people are buying

593
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.920
<v Speaker 3>stuff and wanting to know more, and that's cool even

594
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 3>if you're a smokers you know. Yeah, so it does.

595
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:31.039
<v Speaker 3>It does gest towards something I hope bitter, but yeah, yeah,

596
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 3>it is what it is. It is. I don't know

597
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.599
<v Speaker 3>if there's was there anything else about Leafly.

598
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 2>That you know, they're just so sat tired, fucking goofy

599
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>that like it's one of those ones where I wish again,

600
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>like I wish shows like this would capture the interest

601
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 2>of the end user. But I'm not sure there will

602
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>ever be a case where that many people are that

603
00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>interested in what they're smoking and why it could potentially

604
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>be affecting them the way they are. Maybe, you know,

605
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>like I just don't see it. Most people just are

606
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.440
<v Speaker 2>like I don't care what it is, just put it

607
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>in the bolt, give it to me, you know, I

608
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>think that's typically how it goes.

609
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 3>I think, h how'd I put it. I think there

610
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:22.320
<v Speaker 3>will be some percentage of the population that at least

611
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.320
<v Speaker 3>once some differentiating like information, you know, to be able

612
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 3>to at least help make the decision. I like to

613
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 3>hope that there's like a oops, that there's still like

614
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.400
<v Speaker 3>a significant number of people who do care to a degree.

615
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope so, but I just you know, actually

616
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 2>I take you know what I will say, I've been

617
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 2>very surprised with the past year, just within the past year,

618
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:50.039
<v Speaker 2>how many people have showed up and seem to deeply, deeply.

619
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 3>Care about that.

620
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:54.679
<v Speaker 2>And that's been surprising because I've never really seen it

621
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>be more than twenty in my life at a time.

622
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:58.719
<v Speaker 2>And it's you know, even with the forums and stuff,

623
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.559
<v Speaker 2>there are people that acted like they were super serious

624
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.199
<v Speaker 2>about it, but like when you would get into serious

625
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.960
<v Speaker 2>discussions with them about why something is or isn't, like

626
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.480
<v Speaker 2>in the serious strain discussions, if you went against anything

627
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:14.039
<v Speaker 2>that they believed, like hell no, bro, fuck you, you know

628
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. So nobody was really I don't know,

629
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 2>it was always a really small group of people that

630
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<v Speaker 2>were trying to like destroy their own bias too confront

631
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<v Speaker 2>their own biases.

632
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<v Speaker 3>I think I could frame that in a way. Okay.

633
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.840
<v Speaker 3>I think how I see that is that people will

634
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:38.199
<v Speaker 3>make some minimal effort to find out something. Yeah, wh

635
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 3>the information is good or not, it's probably beyond their effort.

636
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 3>And if you tell them that it's not good information,

637
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.400
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people just don't want to expend any

638
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.960
<v Speaker 3>more energy. They just want to have just want to

639
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 3>like cozy up with the idea that they originally had,

640
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 3>that they were happy with, and they don't want you

641
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:56.679
<v Speaker 3>to like ruin their fuck.

642
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's accurate.

643
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 3>Uh, Okay, Well, if there's nothing else on leafle we

644
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.440
<v Speaker 3>can move on to one that you know, I still

645
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 3>feel quite sentimental about, which is seed find a dot EU.

646
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. What do you want me to start with them?

647
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Uh? Maybe just a general, like a very broad description

648
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 3>of like what kind of information you can find there.

649
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.480
<v Speaker 2>So seed Finder is one of the more I think

650
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 2>serious attempts at trying to capture genetic data presented from

651
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 2>the breeder side as more of a database, Like it's

652
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 2>more of a database for seed buyers and breeders, people

653
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 2>who are deeply interested in seeds and when it started.

654
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:52.000
<v Speaker 2>That's mainly what it was. It wasn't a big advertisement,

655
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:57.320
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a big money maker. And yeah it's cool.

656
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's actually a sorry that that's maybe something we

657
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.400
<v Speaker 3>should make a bit more explicit about leafy as well.

658
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:09.679
<v Speaker 3>One of the driving incentives is definitely like cross marketing.

659
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's a big, big, big thing. Sure.

660
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so next to you you're on your like flower

661
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, your your plant strain entry. They're going to

662
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 3>be like I imagine like dispensaries where you can get this,

663
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:26.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, blah blah seed companies where you can get this. Yeah,

664
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 3>so seed Finder, Yeah, like Matt was saying, seemed mostly

665
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 3>to be about lineage. They do have like a a

666
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 3>lot of them do have these like quite long form

667
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.639
<v Speaker 3>descriptions which are pretty cool, you know, accuracy aside. They

668
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 3>do have little sections on effects as well, I believe,

669
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't seem like it's much of the focus. Yeah,

670
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.480
<v Speaker 3>like Matt was saying, seems to mostly be about lineage

671
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 3>and then some maybe some growing, some reading information I

672
00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:58.719
<v Speaker 3>can't remember.

673
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>For while they were in integrading like forum data and

674
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 2>pictures and stuff like that, so little it was really

675
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 2>helpful for a while as far as like the best

676
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 2>you could get, and for a long time. I mean

677
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.239
<v Speaker 2>it's still the best you can get, you know, like

678
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 2>it's one of the best for doing it, regardless of accuracy.

679
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 2>What they put together was special for sure.

680
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And just to make the point as well, I

681
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 3>think it was also partly crowdsourced, or semi at least

682
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:30.519
<v Speaker 3>semi crowdsourced.

683
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 2>So when it started, they contacted me directly and they

684
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 2>and they asked me if I would add my strains

685
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.039
<v Speaker 2>to their site, and I told them, I'm sorry. And

686
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:43.840
<v Speaker 2>they were such a small site. I didn't know what

687
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.480
<v Speaker 2>was going on with them at the time, frankly, and

688
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't gonna put a lot of time into someone

689
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:50.719
<v Speaker 2>else's website, so I was trying to run my forum

690
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:55.920
<v Speaker 2>and ship, you know, and grow and take cuts all

691
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.440
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. So I wasn't really into that. But they

692
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.679
<v Speaker 2>were kind enough to add a lot of my strains

693
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.199
<v Speaker 2>for me and import a lot of the the pictures

694
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 2>and descriptions and stuff like that. So like, I have

695
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a very very like soft spot in my heart for

696
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 2>them because they were very kind to do that. They

697
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.079
<v Speaker 2>took the time to do that, and they did it

698
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.400
<v Speaker 2>pretty I mean fairly something is wrong, but like you're

699
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna get a lot wrong when there's like two hundred

700
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Speaker 2>things to add, so like, I don't fault them for

701
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of bad stuff that they got wrong with mine,

702
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 2>and they were they're very kind to people.

703
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it definitely struck me as like a fairly or

704
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:46.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, relatively earnest project. And I think there's still

705
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.480
<v Speaker 3>a real charm about going to it because it looks

706
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:53.800
<v Speaker 3>so like nineties. I don't know, it looks like it

707
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:55.880
<v Speaker 3>definitely looks like it's from the Forum era like this,

708
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:56.599
<v Speaker 3>no doubt.

709
00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know if it's like done out of

710
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Spain or something. Thing. It has a lot of like

711
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Spanish and Central European seed banks linked to it and

712
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>like advertised all over it. Yeah, but I don't know

713
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.039
<v Speaker 2>some of the some of those banks are kind of

714
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:13.559
<v Speaker 2>shifty too, so it's kind of weird.

715
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 3>It's definitely a bit of a time capsule. I went

716
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 3>onto it last night again as well, and it looks

717
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.639
<v Speaker 3>exactly the same. I don't expect it to change ever ever,

718
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 3>But again I think I did also do another comparison

719
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:29.719
<v Speaker 3>like I did on Leefly, where I was like, oh yeah,

720
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 3>I remember looking at this information here and it was

721
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 3>quite wrong. I couldn't even tell you what it was.

722
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it was like cookies or something. Maybe it was

723
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.599
<v Speaker 3>like gelato or just one of those. Yes, And I

724
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.480
<v Speaker 3>think that they had improved it as well. So what's

725
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.280
<v Speaker 3>interesting is that somehow people are still running it and

726
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of cool, yeah, because these things quite a

727
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 3>lot of work to maintain.

728
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 2>My last interaction with them it was several years ago,

729
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and I was reaching out to them because I had

730
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 2>a wild idea of doing a private genetic database for myself,

731
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 2>because I was going through their stuff and I was realizing,

732
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.280
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, this has gotten so crazy. So people

733
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 2>have put in here that they've made, that they've created,

734
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 2>what names they've attributed to themselves, what clones they've claimed

735
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.199
<v Speaker 2>to use, and it had gotten so crazy. So I

736
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 2>wanted to buy their software to use privately and like

737
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:30.400
<v Speaker 2>sign NDAs or whatever I needed to do to get

738
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:31.679
<v Speaker 2>them to sell it to me, just to be able

739
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to use it for myself, for myself and to show

740
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.239
<v Speaker 2>friends like hey, here it is and I'm the only

741
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 2>one that can add to it. But never got a response,

742
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:42.079
<v Speaker 2>And I understand that because this is this might be

743
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:44.559
<v Speaker 2>their you know, livelihood, So why would they do that.

744
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 2>This is a very highly developed in programmed site. So yeah,

745
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:50.239
<v Speaker 2>that was that was the last time I tried to

746
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.320
<v Speaker 2>talk to them. But yeah, props to them either way.

747
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I wasn't salty about it. If I were in

748
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.039
<v Speaker 2>their shoes, I probably would have ignored it too.

749
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.719
<v Speaker 3>Hot, Yeah, yeah, I should say as well. Definitely a

750
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:10.039
<v Speaker 3>lot of kudos to them. You know, like any approach

751
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.840
<v Speaker 3>has trade offs, you know, even hours will and for them,

752
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, they were able to get a lot of data,

753
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 3>a lot of it is probably quite good data. But I imagine,

754
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:26.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, the drawback of any kind of crowdsourcing endeavor

755
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 3>is it's hard to say that everything's been you know,

756
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 3>vested in the same way, that everything's as reliable as

757
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 3>everything else exactly. It's just just one of the trade offs. Really.

758
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>It is a very cool when you do it that way. Literally,

759
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 2>people were pretending to have seed companies that never existed,

760
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.599
<v Speaker 2>pretending to make seeds that were never made, and made

761
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 2>up a fake backstory that they could come back check,

762
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, years later, yeah and start companies. Oh yeah,

763
00:43:57.880 --> 00:43:59.679
<v Speaker 2>I made this back then. Look at my entry on

764
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.719
<v Speaker 2>seat like like shit, you would't even believe or even

765
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.559
<v Speaker 2>think to you, you know, but yeah, that's the kind

766
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:06.599
<v Speaker 2>of stuff that comes from that.

767
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and again I'm sure like they would have tried,

768
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:15.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, but when when it's set up like that,

769
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.880
<v Speaker 3>and when that is the strategy, there's there's definitely a

770
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:19.800
<v Speaker 3>limit how much you can go and vet. Like, there's

771
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 3>so much data on there, there's just no way someone

772
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.960
<v Speaker 3>could go and come through all of it and verify

773
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.599
<v Speaker 3>all of it. So yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing

774
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:35.559
<v Speaker 3>I'll point out that I liked, from like a information

775
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 3>representation standpoint, they did have quite a neat way of

776
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 3>setting out lineage to a degree.

777
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, the visual presentation of it's.

778
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.760
<v Speaker 3>Great, Yeah, it was great. The only thing is that

779
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that their format did preclude like more complex

780
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 3>families or like you know, representing the complex family as well,

781
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 3>because it's like a uh, that's what I would it's

782
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 3>like a tree structure, yes, but some families are weirder

783
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 3>than that.

784
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.840
<v Speaker 2>How could they ever have imagined freakin' uh, what's it

785
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:13.480
<v Speaker 2>called wedding cake? How could they ever have imagined that?

786
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Like you, if you go look at the genetics for

787
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>this this plant. It's like nine pages long of just

788
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 2>like a tree of cookies, cross back to cookies, to cookies,

789
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:24.000
<v Speaker 2>to cookies to cookies.

790
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh g the cookies.

791
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.119
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's too it's wild man, some blue power

792
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.159
<v Speaker 2>in there, yeah it is.

793
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:33.599
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I definitely have like fun memories of spending

794
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, many many an hour on the website.

795
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Okay.

796
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:52.800
<v Speaker 4>Stop one second, go click like somewhere mhm, and click subscribe.

797
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 2>And then the little bell thing right there and then

798
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>we're good.

799
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Good, Okay, back to the show and anything else you

800
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:02.760
<v Speaker 3>wanted to say about seed Finding.

801
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.960
<v Speaker 2>No, just that it was, you know, it's it's what

802
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.199
<v Speaker 2>most people consider the best attempt so far.

803
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, shout out, yep, respect, respect strainly. So I'll say this,

804
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 3>Matt before you get into it. Like, I didn't know

805
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.599
<v Speaker 3>much about this one because it's more of a marketplace

806
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:26.320
<v Speaker 3>and and any kind of marketplace always has a serious

807
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 3>bias towards North America. So I was just like, it's

808
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.239
<v Speaker 3>not really for me. But I did go and look

809
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:33.079
<v Speaker 3>at it for the first time, like really in any depth,

810
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:36.719
<v Speaker 3>like last night. But yeah, before this, I didn't really

811
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 3>know what it was.

812
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested to hear your take on it, bro, I.

813
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.039
<v Speaker 3>Didn't look too deep. I was like, Okay, they're trying

814
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 3>to be like the eBay of cannabis. Like they do

815
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 3>auctions right, and like they do grow gear, they do seed,

816
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:59.320
<v Speaker 3>they do clones. Yeah, so pretty pretty comprehensive in terms

817
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.920
<v Speaker 3>of like stuff that you can get, but also kind

818
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.519
<v Speaker 3>of like the other websites, really quite overwhelming, Like you

819
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 3>get lots and lots and lots of brands. It seems

820
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.440
<v Speaker 3>like almost anyone quote unquote can have stuff on there.

821
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:18.599
<v Speaker 3>So maybe a little bit like okay, how do I

822
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 3>tell like who's legit and who's not. In terms of

823
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:26.079
<v Speaker 3>the target market, it's definitely not as mainstream as leafly,

824
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:33.800
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, so it's more about growers and breeders than like, yeah,

825
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:39.039
<v Speaker 3>smokers whatever. They also sell a pollen I noticed.

826
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that's a new one. Yeah.

827
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's what I found just you know, having

828
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:48.480
<v Speaker 3>a quick look at what can you tell us smet

829
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:49.000
<v Speaker 3>about it?

830
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>So like, oudam, all these people. I have the most

831
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:57.599
<v Speaker 2>interaction with these dudes, and it's I can't even say,

832
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:03.559
<v Speaker 2>like there are things that I've found that about their

833
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 2>site from the jump, like they contacted me asked me

834
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.599
<v Speaker 2>if i'd sell on their site, and I was like,

835
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, bro, those kind of shady I don't

836
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:13.639
<v Speaker 2>know you. They have had a lot of bad experience

837
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 2>by this point. And they sent me a thing and

838
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.119
<v Speaker 2>asked for my Social Security number, and I was like, guys,

839
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.719
<v Speaker 2>like who are you? And they then, you know, they

840
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:25.599
<v Speaker 2>told me who they were and more about them, and

841
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I understood why what was going on, And they're not

842
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 2>bad dudes. There are a couple of really nice programmer

843
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:34.880
<v Speaker 2>guys like this is their side job. They do this

844
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.480
<v Speaker 2>as their hobby. Like it's not a big company at all.

845
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 2>It's just a couple of really nice programmers and they

846
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:47.519
<v Speaker 2>just there from another country. They didn't understand like the

847
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:51.039
<v Speaker 2>complexities of asking like black market growers for their social

848
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.000
<v Speaker 2>because what they were trying to do is make it

849
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.639
<v Speaker 2>easier for people to sign up for to receive credit

850
00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>card payments. So that's what the social would be used for,

851
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.360
<v Speaker 2>signing you up for a virtuant account blah blah blah.

852
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.280
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it also left them room for a lot

853
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 2>of liability, right, So I talked to him about it,

854
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:10.840
<v Speaker 2>and like they were like, oh my god, I hadn't

855
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:13.159
<v Speaker 2>thought about it from that angle, the liability. No, no,

856
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:14.960
<v Speaker 2>we're going to try to figure out a work around

857
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.719
<v Speaker 2>for this, And they actually went around trying to figure

858
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:23.119
<v Speaker 2>it out when Filos. When I was battling Filos, and

859
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I said, no one had my back. It's not entirely true,

860
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:32.119
<v Speaker 2>because after about six months, strainly had my back and

861
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.559
<v Speaker 2>they came out and you know, made a big public

862
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.719
<v Speaker 2>announcement on their site about why this is incorrect, what's

863
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:41.920
<v Speaker 2>going on here, blah blah blah. And you know, I

864
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of admiration for that, because it it's

865
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.960
<v Speaker 2>not easy to take stands in this in this community,

866
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:51.840
<v Speaker 2>and at that time, there was no the pros and

867
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:55.519
<v Speaker 2>cons for standing up against a corporation. There were no pros,

868
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.639
<v Speaker 2>all cons, and they did it anyways because it was

869
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the right thing to do. So I just you know,

870
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I've run into problems where people pretend to have my

871
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.880
<v Speaker 2>seeds on there and are selling fake versions of my packs.

872
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.519
<v Speaker 2>But like if I let them know, they'll that person's gone.

873
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:13.719
<v Speaker 2>They'll never sell on that side again, you know what

874
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean. So I can't like they're doing their at

875
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 2>least due diligence, and if people report it they they'll

876
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.599
<v Speaker 2>they'll handle it, so I can't say anything bad about them.

877
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 2>In fact, like I have nothing but kind warm feelings

878
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:27.960
<v Speaker 2>for those.

879
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.039
<v Speaker 3>Dudes for sure. Yeah, And I mean I'll say this

880
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:36.119
<v Speaker 3>as well, because it's a marketplace. Their primary motivator is

881
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily data in there, you know, in the same

882
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:43.880
<v Speaker 3>way as like seed Finder or leefly Direct. Yeah, just

883
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 3>about facilitating you know, transactions exactly.

884
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Easily facilitate transactions between person to person for you know, cannabis,

885
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:55.320
<v Speaker 2>genetics or.

886
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise, which makes a lot of sense because those things

887
00:50:58.400 --> 00:50:59.079
<v Speaker 3>are difficult.

888
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.760
<v Speaker 2>It's necessary and that's the thing, Like despite my own

889
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:05.360
<v Speaker 2>stuff being like fake versions of my stuff being sold

890
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.599
<v Speaker 2>on there all the time, because I think it's necessary

891
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's hella like piraty and like cool

892
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.679
<v Speaker 2>to do. Like I can't hate on it at all.

893
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing I can negative I can say about this.

894
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's kind of punk rock either way, you know,

895
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.320
<v Speaker 2>like everybody's going to get fucked to some degree. But

896
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:23.519
<v Speaker 2>like I think overall, I think it's a neat experience

897
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:26.719
<v Speaker 2>and we need the ability to do person to person buying,

898
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:30.239
<v Speaker 2>and realistically it's buyer beware and if you're not doing

899
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 2>your research, then that's on you, you know, Like so

900
00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:35.639
<v Speaker 2>in that sense, I'm also very supportive of what they do.

901
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:38.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's exactly what it's going to point out that

902
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:41.000
<v Speaker 3>the onus is less on them and on you know,

903
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 3>everyone else who's in the community to be vesting each other.

904
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:48.039
<v Speaker 3>It's more of a peer peer review process. We'll see exactly.

905
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Like like like if you're like a dickhead on eBay,

906
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 3>you know you're not going to get very far.

907
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 2>So luckily they are way more responsive than eBay. I'm

908
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>really there's they've been so cool over the years, so

909
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I'll shout out to them out.

910
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 3>So what's cool about what we're doing? I think today

911
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.639
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really realize is so it's a little bit

912
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:18.800
<v Speaker 3>of a history on like these different like online projects,

913
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 3>whether they're about like e commerce or data or you know,

914
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:28.280
<v Speaker 3>like this has been the recent you know, ten to

915
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 3>twenty years of cannabis in the internet age, in the

916
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:39.119
<v Speaker 3>social media age. And yeah, it's because you know, we

917
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 3>talk a lot about social media, but we haven't talked

918
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:45.079
<v Speaker 3>about some of these websites before. So I think now

919
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.239
<v Speaker 3>that we're getting into it, like this is really cool yeah,

920
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:50.360
<v Speaker 3>and this is definitely stuff that I didn't really think

921
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.719
<v Speaker 3>about us discussing before, so I'm glad we got.

922
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, people people are probably used to hearing me,

923
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.559
<v Speaker 2>and I talked with someone about this earlier. Like I'm

924
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.840
<v Speaker 2>often like dismissed because I'm called the hater of the industry,

925
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, because I don't people ask me questions about

926
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 2>certain breeders, and like it really does from a lot

927
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.599
<v Speaker 2>of perspectives from people who don't know, like sound like

928
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 2>I just hate everyone, Like I just am dismissive of

929
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:22.280
<v Speaker 2>everything and everyone, But in reality, I have a lot

930
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 2>of like personal interaction with a lot of these people,

931
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:28.199
<v Speaker 2>and it's nice to be able to say something nice

932
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:31.480
<v Speaker 2>about good people in the industry because I really, unfortunately

933
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 2>feel like it's so far and few between as as

934
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.039
<v Speaker 2>a gray area, like that's what you get. It draws

935
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.599
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people like that and you have to

936
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 2>compete with them in the same marketplace, in the same

937
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:45.639
<v Speaker 2>industry and the same passion in this case, which is

938
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:47.679
<v Speaker 2>really really screwy for a lot of people.

939
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's not like we have a perfect thing

940
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 3>to show, you know, our codex while exactly of course,

941
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.320
<v Speaker 3>really excited to talk about it and to launch and

942
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:03.159
<v Speaker 3>share it. Of course serious limits. So sure, no one,

943
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:04.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, no one's going to get this perfect, at

944
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.800
<v Speaker 3>least not anytime soon. From what I can tell, we will.

945
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:14.199
<v Speaker 3>We will, But like Matt was saying, definitely worth shouting

946
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.000
<v Speaker 3>out all the like cool cool effort and work and

947
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:18.719
<v Speaker 3>time that people have put into this.

948
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.880
<v Speaker 2>One thing I wanted to say before Filus had their

949
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.800
<v Speaker 2>their visual galaxy, seed Finder had their galaxy, it was visual,

950
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:27.400
<v Speaker 2>so I will say that part too.

951
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.760
<v Speaker 3>It actually started with nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just

952
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Filus Firelus Galaxy had all the like bells and whistles.

953
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 3>It was like, sure did it was three D and

954
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:38.800
<v Speaker 3>like you could fly?

955
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was three D in the same way, but

956
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.760
<v Speaker 2>it was I don't know where it went. It was

957
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.599
<v Speaker 2>like a star map type thing on seed Finders.

958
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 3>Gone.

959
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it's gone. I'm not sure. I don't want

960
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:54.079
<v Speaker 2>to say, but I think I had a hard time

961
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:56.119
<v Speaker 2>finding it at least last time I looked for it.

962
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:58.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I ever saw it.

963
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.039
<v Speaker 2>That was there from the site start. It was really nice,

964
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:02.599
<v Speaker 2>and that's what I really wanted because it was a

965
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:06.440
<v Speaker 2>beautiful representation of it. Yeah.

966
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'll say this, maybe I don't know how

967
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.159
<v Speaker 3>necessary or a little barb it is, but you know,

968
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:14.599
<v Speaker 3>one thing that can be said about seed Funder and Strainly,

969
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:17.840
<v Speaker 3>I think you can kind of feel the passion there

970
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:20.440
<v Speaker 3>a bit more, Like you can kind of tell that

971
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:23.599
<v Speaker 3>these people who like really care and like just trying

972
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.880
<v Speaker 3>to help and not saying that Leaflely and Filos don't

973
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 3>care all or don't want to help it all. But

974
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:30.440
<v Speaker 3>like you can kind of see that there are other

975
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:34.480
<v Speaker 3>motivating factors with those two websites.

976
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 2>In the comments below, I'd love to hear people's thoughts

977
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:41.239
<v Speaker 2>on all of these sites, whether it's Strainly, your your

978
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:45.559
<v Speaker 2>experiences exchanging stuff on there, you know, Leefley. I'm sure

979
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have plenty of funny stories about Leafley and

980
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.960
<v Speaker 2>people's experiences there. Yeah, so please tell.

981
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:56.559
<v Speaker 3>Us if nothing else do Strainly Matt, I do want

982
00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:59.800
<v Speaker 3>to give a couple of shout outs to one broadly,

983
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:04.079
<v Speaker 3>the forums of course, Like we've talked about the forums

984
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:09.000
<v Speaker 3>plenty as far as they go as sources of information,

985
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:13.719
<v Speaker 3>obviously very important, but also obviously extremely noisy and.

986
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and extremely complete, extremely incomplete now as well there's noisy.

987
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:25.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know forums, there's no formalization of the data.

988
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:29.119
<v Speaker 3>There aren't like formal models or maps or anything like that.

989
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:33.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, just people talking. So obviously still a very

990
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:40.840
<v Speaker 3>important site of exchange and information and irreducibly. So I

991
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.079
<v Speaker 3>wanted to point out one other place that I don't

992
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 3>know many people know about, and it's called grow Diaries,

993
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:49.360
<v Speaker 3>And it sounds a bit naff, but why I like

994
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.800
<v Speaker 3>it is that they don't do that thing where they say, ah,

995
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:56.400
<v Speaker 3>here is keem dog and then it's like anyone growing,

996
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 3>like any kind of thing that has vaguely got to

997
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:00.519
<v Speaker 3>do with cam or says it has to do with

998
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 3>chemis under it. What they do is clever. They say,

999
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:10.159
<v Speaker 3>we go by company and product, and so you can

1000
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.119
<v Speaker 3>specifically look at like say you've bought something, you're looking

1001
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 3>at buying something. You can actually go and look at

1002
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:20.039
<v Speaker 3>that particular brand or seed company or breeder, look at

1003
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:23.519
<v Speaker 3>people who are actually growing those seeds and not like

1004
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:28.960
<v Speaker 3>any kind of weird white label version. And the other

1005
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 3>thing I like about how they present information is that

1006
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:36.199
<v Speaker 3>they've structured They structure it so that like you can

1007
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:38.639
<v Speaker 3>kind of choose which week of the grow you want

1008
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:42.760
<v Speaker 3>to go and look at anytime. To me, they've got

1009
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:48.440
<v Speaker 3>an example of like good structured information about someone's grow historically,

1010
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 3>and I don't see it presented like that anywhere else.

1011
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Are they're good growers in there?

1012
00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:58.280
<v Speaker 3>I can't say that, Like, I think it's definitely a range.

1013
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:02.760
<v Speaker 3>It's it's definitely any like anyone anyone can rock up

1014
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:04.039
<v Speaker 3>and just show.

1015
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Are there are a lot of veteran growers and breeders

1016
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:06.559
<v Speaker 2>on there.

1017
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering. I don't know. I don't know well enough

1018
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:10.840
<v Speaker 3>to be able to tell you that.

1019
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:11.599
<v Speaker 2>I wonder.

1020
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.719
<v Speaker 3>It suffers from some of the same limits as the others,

1021
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:18.719
<v Speaker 3>Like it also does that thing where it tries to

1022
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:23.280
<v Speaker 3>aggregate like effect information or like they survey like the

1023
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:25.719
<v Speaker 3>grower and it's like, okay, what did you smell? What

1024
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:28.440
<v Speaker 3>what effects did you see? But I think they don't

1025
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.199
<v Speaker 3>they don't make as bold a claim like they don't.

1026
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:33.039
<v Speaker 3>What they don't do is they don't try to like

1027
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:36.159
<v Speaker 3>abstract from everyone and say like this is the data.

1028
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.480
<v Speaker 3>They just say, this is this person's started, that's that

1029
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:38.960
<v Speaker 3>person's dot.

1030
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:42.719
<v Speaker 2>To me that as a grower, yeah, that's fine.

1031
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:46.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean I think it's like an honest way to

1032
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 3>present information, you know, whatever information that you have without

1033
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:54.039
<v Speaker 3>overstating it. At the same time, you know, it's still

1034
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:58.960
<v Speaker 3>also definitely caters towards a more mainstream, growing audience.

1035
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 2>If you go on that site. I could almost bet

1036
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:05.440
<v Speaker 2>without even going to it that like is like in

1037
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:10.159
<v Speaker 2>a greenhouse benefit just bam, bam bam the top the top.

1038
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Is that what it like?

1039
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? The most you know, all those big brands will

1040
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.920
<v Speaker 3>definitely have the most growers and the most diaries.

1041
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Because they represent the biggest part of the marketplace.

1042
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:24.519
<v Speaker 3>Has to great. Yes, so would be able to find

1043
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:27.760
<v Speaker 3>riot seeds? I bet I think you could, but it

1044
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:35.519
<v Speaker 3>may not be as many Humboldt as well. Yeah, but again,

1045
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, a point of difference here is that it's

1046
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 3>specific to the product, It's specific to the breeder, and

1047
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:46.039
<v Speaker 3>you don't have to deal with the weird like what

1048
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:54.079
<v Speaker 3>what do I call it? Like kind of conflation of varying. Yeah, see,

1049
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:57.039
<v Speaker 3>like seed products from all kinds of different people. Yeah,

1050
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:02.679
<v Speaker 3>was it thing else I wanted to say about these guys?

1051
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I think even though I didn't take that much from

1052
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:08.920
<v Speaker 3>the website, it did give me an idea that, like,

1053
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:11.880
<v Speaker 3>there are different ways to model cannabis information.

1054
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:14.239
<v Speaker 2>This is actually pretty.

1055
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Cool structured way.

1056
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not a bad say, it's kind of cool.

1057
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:21.440
<v Speaker 3>I think it's novel. I don't think anyone else has

1058
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:22.639
<v Speaker 3>done it like them, And I.

1059
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Thought that was cool. No, it's just decent. It's cool.

1060
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So shout out to grow Diaries and check them out.

1061
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Decent, decent, decent side. Like I was like, oh that

1062
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:35.119
<v Speaker 2>ready to knock. I'm like, you know what, it's just

1063
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 2>probably gonna be on nubes and like a like a

1064
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:40.480
<v Speaker 2>roller up blah blah blah. It's not bad. It's not bad.

1065
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm an idiot. It's not bad at all. No.

1066
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:45.840
<v Speaker 3>To me, it's like an improved version of like a

1067
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:50.719
<v Speaker 3>forum growth thread. Yeah, you know, like you know, like

1068
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 3>everyone you know, grow diaries are forums obviously very popular.

1069
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:56.719
<v Speaker 3>But again the problem is that, like it's very hard

1070
01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:58.480
<v Speaker 3>for you to come through the data in any kind

1071
01:00:58.519 --> 01:00:59.239
<v Speaker 3>of structured way.

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01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm bro. But all the riot seed stuff in here

1073
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:05.960
<v Speaker 2>is Club Riot Seeds whatever.

1074
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:07.920
<v Speaker 3>That is Club Riots.

1075
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:10.639
<v Speaker 2>So there's some seed company called Club Riot Seeds that

1076
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:14.000
<v Speaker 2>popped up within the last like year or two, and

1077
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I saw it and I was like, I was like,

1078
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.559
<v Speaker 2>all right, I can't even get out of that. That's

1079
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:21.039
<v Speaker 2>that's hilarious, bro, that's hilarious that they didn't even think

1080
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.679
<v Speaker 2>to look up like their name might conflict with another

1081
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:27.559
<v Speaker 2>breeder like that and there and like all these pictures.

1082
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:33.159
<v Speaker 3>I think I found one from you strawberry cream.

1083
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's mine, that's not theirs. But look at

1084
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.719
<v Speaker 2>their stuff, bro, it's like all auto flower.

1085
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:40.119
<v Speaker 3>I'll link it in our chat. You can have a look.

1086
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:42.760
<v Speaker 3>This might be the like one grow that's actually like

1087
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:44.599
<v Speaker 3>one of your actual products.

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01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.920
<v Speaker 2>That's funny that I did Cherry gmoz too. I think

1089
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:49.639
<v Speaker 2>it's up there, but yeah, that's it.

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01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So maybe you have a couple of people growing

1091
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.599
<v Speaker 3>you stuff. Yeah, it may be one of those and

1092
01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:57.599
<v Speaker 3>maybe one of those websites that's like we don't know,

1093
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe like more European growers or I don't know, you know.

1094
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:05.199
<v Speaker 2>It does club right, see shout out club right.

1095
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.159
<v Speaker 3>Shut out club rights.

1096
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't even hate on him, like they're probably they're

1097
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:12.280
<v Speaker 2>probably for another country and don't have a clue who

1098
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I am, and I don't expect I don't care.

1099
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:19.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, let's not assume that they they knew.

1100
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:22.280
<v Speaker 2>There's any malice, No not at all. I doubt it.

1101
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Doubt it.

1102
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, any you know anything else meant while you were

1103
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:28.360
<v Speaker 3>on there? Anything else?

1104
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:30.519
<v Speaker 2>No, it just looks kind of decent though. Yeah. You

1105
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.480
<v Speaker 2>know there's an American Auto Flower cup coming up apparently

1106
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:41.719
<v Speaker 2>here in LA which is crazy. I never heard of that, Talis. Yeah,

1107
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:46.119
<v Speaker 2>you go, yes, I c s I and his auto flower.

1108
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:48.159
<v Speaker 2>He's going to jump into it. Wait, you'll see, he's

1109
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:55.320
<v Speaker 2>probably gonna be there. What we'll see, We'll see we

1110
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:56.639
<v Speaker 2>got projects.

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01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:03.559
<v Speaker 3>That's an interesting leak that not expect Oh wait, what

1112
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:07.519
<v Speaker 3>was the last I think I had something else? Okay, Yeah,

1113
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:09.360
<v Speaker 3>what was gonna say is that if I were going

1114
01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:14.239
<v Speaker 3>to set up like a like a grow database, it'll

1115
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:16.519
<v Speaker 3>be like this, It'll be I would definitely take a

1116
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:21.079
<v Speaker 3>cue from that, you know, Yeah, because I can already

1117
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:23.280
<v Speaker 3>as a as a as a developer, like I can

1118
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:26.239
<v Speaker 3>already see the way they've structured the data. You could

1119
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:28.519
<v Speaker 3>actually do lots of multiple stuff with how they've structured

1120
01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:28.920
<v Speaker 3>the data.

1121
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:31.840
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, Yeah, Oh, shout out to soul Ray for

1122
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:33.760
<v Speaker 2>being like one of the only dudes to grow my

1123
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:39.079
<v Speaker 2>stuff on there like decent. Yeah, so shout out to

1124
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:43.559
<v Speaker 2>someone for Repinus not it's not closed. Yeah, and whoever

1125
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:46.960
<v Speaker 2>else the other person, I can't see fire in fire out,

1126
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes to them too.

1127
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:52.840
<v Speaker 3>If nothing else, we can move on to the codex.

1128
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:57.079
<v Speaker 3>Finally do it our codex. So, Matt, I don't know.

1129
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Do you remember how it got started?

1130
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Vaguely? Vaguely?

1131
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:03.559
<v Speaker 3>You tell me what you remember.

1132
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I remember you asked me if there is anything I

1133
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:13.639
<v Speaker 2>had ever like tried to want to build or something.

1134
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Is that correct?

1135
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:19.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll give more context because I remember some other

1136
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:20.239
<v Speaker 3>weird things about this.

1137
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1138
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:23.239
<v Speaker 3>I think it was like right after Christmas, like everyone

1139
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:27.800
<v Speaker 3>was in that like weird like post Christmas PREMI years like, hey,

1140
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:31.159
<v Speaker 3>that's familiar at a loose end a bit, maybe people

1141
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:35.719
<v Speaker 3>just chilling. I think you were talking to Quasia about

1142
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:41.440
<v Speaker 3>a database or like having thought about Yeah, that's right,

1143
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:44.159
<v Speaker 3>And I think so it started with you two, and

1144
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:47.119
<v Speaker 3>then I think I just was like, I think Quasi

1145
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:50.039
<v Speaker 3>had some like pretty sophisticated ideas. I was like, well,

1146
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:53.559
<v Speaker 3>if we wanted to do like a a simpler version

1147
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:55.800
<v Speaker 3>of this, I could see how we could do it,

1148
01:04:55.880 --> 01:05:00.599
<v Speaker 3>and I could you know, I couldn't prototype something pretty quickly. Yeah,

1149
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:04.840
<v Speaker 3>And it was pretty wild, just like you were just like, yeah,

1150
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:09.320
<v Speaker 3>do it. Yeah, yeah, I mean like time, Ye're good?

1151
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Did you even we didn't even know each other, I

1152
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:11.920
<v Speaker 3>don't think.

1153
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:13.639
<v Speaker 2>No, not really. No, we didn't have a lot of

1154
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:15.760
<v Speaker 2>interaction right before that.

1155
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:20.320
<v Speaker 3>No. And I wonder if you actually thought anything would

1156
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 3>come of it at the time.

1157
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't. When when someone had asked me that, like

1158
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.800
<v Speaker 2>if I had any if I could have anything built,

1159
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:33.199
<v Speaker 2>what would it be? And I was like, well, the

1160
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:36.079
<v Speaker 2>one thing we all need is like a reliable genetic database,

1161
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and I talked about the philosophy behind it,

1162
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and I I was kind of like offhand statement. It

1163
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.480
<v Speaker 2>was late at night, like I didn't really think much

1164
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:50.679
<v Speaker 2>of it. And then like within two days there was

1165
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:53.840
<v Speaker 2>serious development done to the point where I was like,

1166
01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:57.239
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, like I've got to start entering stuff

1167
01:05:57.239 --> 01:05:58.960
<v Speaker 2>because these guys have done so much work. Now I

1168
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:01.079
<v Speaker 2>can't like I got to do something like I'm gonna

1169
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:03.280
<v Speaker 2>have to act. This is for real and this is

1170
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:06.280
<v Speaker 2>serious and like coming together, this is amazing, Like this

1171
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:09.360
<v Speaker 2>is some serious stuff and can make and and and

1172
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I think help help at least be one resource for

1173
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:18.920
<v Speaker 2>people to go to that they can Hopefully people will

1174
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:22.480
<v Speaker 2>feel as reliable enough, you know, for their data.

1175
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:24.440
<v Speaker 3>I can tell a bit more of this from my

1176
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.880
<v Speaker 3>side as well. So do I know that in the

1177
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.800
<v Speaker 3>US Christmas break isn't that long for people who are working, right,

1178
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:32.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like only like a couple of weeks. It's not

1179
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:35.119
<v Speaker 3>like the biggest holiday on the planet for you guys,

1180
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:40.880
<v Speaker 3>but for us it's it's Christmas happens during summer and

1181
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:44.119
<v Speaker 3>like this, you can imagine that, and then the country

1182
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:47.159
<v Speaker 3>kind of almost shuts down for like two months. It

1183
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:50.960
<v Speaker 3>feels like, from like December to like fib it feels

1184
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:54.119
<v Speaker 3>like the country goes really quiet because people just go

1185
01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:56.159
<v Speaker 3>out to it, Like people go to the beaches and

1186
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:56.960
<v Speaker 3>stuff and chill out.

1187
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, it's kind of cool.

1188
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:02.000
<v Speaker 3>So for me, it's always this kind of weird. It's

1189
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:05.000
<v Speaker 3>a nice time, but it's kind of like a bit restless.

1190
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:08.960
<v Speaker 3>It's weirdly quiet. And I think when the idea came about,

1191
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.840
<v Speaker 3>so obviously context I'm a web developer, and when the

1192
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.920
<v Speaker 3>idea came about, like I was like, I've actually done

1193
01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:21.360
<v Speaker 3>some stuff with similar kinds of data and representing similar

1194
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:23.800
<v Speaker 3>kinds of data, like relationships and you know, kind of

1195
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:26.840
<v Speaker 3>like network maps of relationships and I was like, you know,

1196
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:29.920
<v Speaker 3>I think I could actually like do this pretty quick,

1197
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.519
<v Speaker 3>or at least have a prototype pretty quick. Yeah, And

1198
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:36.280
<v Speaker 3>so I think I just had the I got on

1199
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:38.960
<v Speaker 3>the buzz was I had a lot of energy, and

1200
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.199
<v Speaker 3>I was I had like a manic couple of weeks,

1201
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:44.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe like two to three weeks of just smashing it.

1202
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.719
<v Speaker 2>It was insane, bro like, and it.

1203
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:49.760
<v Speaker 3>They was like I was smashing it.

1204
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:51.440
<v Speaker 2>It was like you'd be like, you know, is there

1205
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.599
<v Speaker 2>anything else like you can think of? And then there'd

1206
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.800
<v Speaker 2>be something I'd pop up and I'd be like I

1207
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:01.119
<v Speaker 2>because I some context, I was aware developer in my

1208
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.119
<v Speaker 2>past life. Here, I know how much a lot of

1209
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:08.039
<v Speaker 2>this stuff costs, and I know how much like knowledge

1210
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.960
<v Speaker 2>it takes to do this stuff. And the asks that

1211
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I was asking weren't necessarily things that I could achieve easy,

1212
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:17.600
<v Speaker 2>but I know how much it would cost to have

1213
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:21.159
<v Speaker 2>them implemented. So like when he was asking like these things,

1214
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't even feel comfortable saying, you know,

1215
01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:27.600
<v Speaker 2>but and eventually you get it out of me, and

1216
01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:29.720
<v Speaker 2>then it would be done and like, you know, a

1217
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:34.079
<v Speaker 2>few hours, it seems and mind blowing. It was amazing.

1218
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:37.239
<v Speaker 2>It was because It was like really watching something come

1219
01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:39.239
<v Speaker 2>to life. It wasn't a slow progression. It was like

1220
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:42.640
<v Speaker 2>boom and it's here, and it's just like this is

1221
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.520
<v Speaker 2>everything I ever wanted. But now it's like, oh, it's

1222
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:46.279
<v Speaker 2>so serious.

1223
01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:49.600
<v Speaker 3>It was a fun period for me. It was like

1224
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:51.880
<v Speaker 3>I was on holiday and I got to talk to Matt,

1225
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:53.760
<v Speaker 3>who I'd never interacted with, and I was like, this

1226
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.279
<v Speaker 3>is nuts that we're doing this. But yeah, it was

1227
01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:57.399
<v Speaker 3>a blast.

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01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:00.479
<v Speaker 2>It was. I also will say it was a lot

1229
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:04.159
<v Speaker 2>of trust in you for me because you really didn't

1230
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:05.960
<v Speaker 2>know me, and I could have been the scumbag that

1231
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:09.399
<v Speaker 2>everyone said and just been like yeah, bro, you know,

1232
01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:13.000
<v Speaker 2>like thanks, nice to know you, you know, but like I

1233
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:15.479
<v Speaker 2>really appreciated all that trust you because I knew how

1234
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:18.760
<v Speaker 2>much time and not just time, but like that's a

1235
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:20.840
<v Speaker 2>labor of love doing something like that, and you're really

1236
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:23.960
<v Speaker 2>passionate about cannabis, as it shows, so like this is

1237
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:25.800
<v Speaker 2>an actual labor of love, like it is for me.

1238
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:29.199
<v Speaker 2>So at the same time, it wasn't just like building

1239
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:32.840
<v Speaker 2>it for me. It became our baby. Bro. We had

1240
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:33.960
<v Speaker 2>a baby there.

1241
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:41.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, absolutely, And maybe at this point we can

1242
01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:46.720
<v Speaker 3>state some of their aims because so I think, like

1243
01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:51.960
<v Speaker 3>what we said before, information like this is very sensitive.

1244
01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:56.199
<v Speaker 3>It carries a lot of weight, and one thing I

1245
01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:58.319
<v Speaker 3>I think interp of strategy. One thing I really didn't

1246
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:02.600
<v Speaker 3>want to do was ovis state or overrepresent anything. So

1247
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:04.920
<v Speaker 3>I knew off the bat we weren't going to be

1248
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.960
<v Speaker 3>doing like effects, we weren't going to be doing smells

1249
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.039
<v Speaker 3>and flavors. I was just like, let's stick to our

1250
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:17.439
<v Speaker 3>strengths here. Matt has a lot of knowledge from his time,

1251
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:22.560
<v Speaker 3>his interactions with people, his actual work, and that's the

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<v Speaker 3>information we want to present. And we don't want to yeah,

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01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:31.000
<v Speaker 3>over or understate that. You know, we know it's not

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01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:36.079
<v Speaker 3>like genetic or genomic mapping, and we're never going to

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01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:40.479
<v Speaker 3>do that conceivably. So the next best thing was like

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01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:46.880
<v Speaker 3>presenting I don't know, Matt, how would you frame this? Like,

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01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:50.279
<v Speaker 3>how would you frame the information that we have on there?

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01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:51.239
<v Speaker 3>From your point of view?

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<v Speaker 2>The information we have on there by the way I'd

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01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:57.640
<v Speaker 2>frame it is by talking about all the things that

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01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I saw wrong with everything else, and like the little

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01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:07.880
<v Speaker 2>steps in my brain I took to like try to

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01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:13.000
<v Speaker 2>beat all that, Like I like the crowdsourcing. First thing

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01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:16.039
<v Speaker 2>that I knew that had to happen was no more crowdsourcing.

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01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:18.119
<v Speaker 2>But I also knew that's probably going to piss a

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01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of people off and sound very elitist, like that's

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01:11:20.359 --> 01:11:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the first thing that's going to happen is people that

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01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:25.479
<v Speaker 2>are going to feel excluded because their input wasn't taken

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01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:27.520
<v Speaker 2>into account, or they're going to think that that their

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01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:33.600
<v Speaker 2>input wasn't taken into account. And realistically, what my idea

1271
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:36.520
<v Speaker 2>was from the beginning was to and I'm sure there's

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01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:40.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of like perceived ideas about what's going to

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01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:43.039
<v Speaker 2>happen with it, and like the intention behind it and agendas,

1274
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:47.399
<v Speaker 2>but realistically, like my idea for it was to have

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01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.479
<v Speaker 2>essentially a place where people go look at the most

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01:11:50.520 --> 01:11:54.119
<v Speaker 2>important strains in cannabis. The baselines that we talk about

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01:11:54.119 --> 01:12:00.600
<v Speaker 2>on here land races get realistic, like not just opposed

1278
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.039
<v Speaker 2>data from people that may or may not be cannabis

1279
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:05.159
<v Speaker 2>people over there that are trying to sell seeds and

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01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:07.760
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. People who are over there that are

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01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:10.880
<v Speaker 2>researchers that are doing this stuff, that are they have

1282
01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.479
<v Speaker 2>good input are going to be putting in like to

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01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:16.800
<v Speaker 2>the land race part that's not my expertise, So like,

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01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.439
<v Speaker 2>but with with my one thing I do know is

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01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:23.840
<v Speaker 2>people because I've been in the scene so long, so

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01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it's not necessarily just about my knowledge of strains. It's

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01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.119
<v Speaker 2>about my knowledge of people who have the knowledge of

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01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.960
<v Speaker 2>those strains most importantly, which is what the show is

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01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:35.760
<v Speaker 2>in a sense, you know, like you bringing those people

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01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:40.279
<v Speaker 2>together to talk, and now this is aggregating that data.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, so you could almost see it like Matt

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01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:49.640
<v Speaker 3>is facilitating curating this database. And you know, obviously a

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01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:53.279
<v Speaker 3>major difference between that and some of the other databases

1294
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:56.199
<v Speaker 3>we mentioned is that these people weren't part of the

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01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:01.720
<v Speaker 3>industry conceivably, and we're not there or present when a

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01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:03.960
<v Speaker 3>lot of this was going on. And Matt, Matt is

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01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:07.920
<v Speaker 3>one of those people. So even though, of course, you know,

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01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:12.720
<v Speaker 3>you have the obvious trade off of it being Matt

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01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:16.000
<v Speaker 3>and perhaps like a smaller group of people, one of

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01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.119
<v Speaker 3>the benefits you get. So okay, we'll say we'll say

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01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:23.680
<v Speaker 3>straight up there, like we have no no ambitions or

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01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:26.920
<v Speaker 3>delusions about the perfect you know, like how perfect the

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01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:30.720
<v Speaker 3>information is. It's obviously going to be Matt's best account

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01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:34.680
<v Speaker 3>based on what he knows. But what you do get

1305
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:40.520
<v Speaker 3>is accountability, transparency, and like responsibility. So you know, this

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01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.720
<v Speaker 3>is a work in progress. Matt's not even probably near done,

1307
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.880
<v Speaker 3>but we're going to launch it, and Matt will conceivably

1308
01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:49.520
<v Speaker 3>be working on it. Eventually, we might get more people

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01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:53.680
<v Speaker 3>to come and help. So again, the idea is that

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01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:56.079
<v Speaker 3>keeping it to a smaller group of people that we

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01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:03.680
<v Speaker 3>trust will at least introduce a more reliable process of

1312
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:08.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, and more reliable feedback loops. So even though

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01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:10.359
<v Speaker 3>the information may not be perfect at any one time,

1314
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:12.520
<v Speaker 3>the hope is that we can just keep improving it

1315
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:15.600
<v Speaker 3>and that the same people are going to be responsible

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01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:15.920
<v Speaker 3>for it.

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01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again, a lot of it's going to be

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01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:24.000
<v Speaker 2>different than what people perceive. I'm not adding my own

1319
01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:26.279
<v Speaker 2>strains on there because I don't think my own strains

1320
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:29.399
<v Speaker 2>are like the are part of the history of cannabis.

1321
01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've done anything that's revolutionary per se.

1322
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:34.720
<v Speaker 2>So my strains are not going to be on this site.

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01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Presenting them is like like this, these are important, kind

1324
01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:39.119
<v Speaker 2>of sneak them in the back door. That's not what

1325
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.359
<v Speaker 2>it's for. It's not like built with an agenda like that.

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01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, realistically, what I wanted was something for me

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01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:47.720
<v Speaker 2>to go and resource and I don't need to resource

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01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and full on my strains.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a really good point. By the way,

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01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:55.600
<v Speaker 3>I think we were building what we wanted to consume ourselves.

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01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, looking Adam Bird, Okay, go ahead.

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01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, that was so well timed. We we just wanted

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01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:09.079
<v Speaker 3>to ultimately, we wanted to build something that we ourselves

1334
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:11.840
<v Speaker 3>would be interested in going and looking at. Yeah, you know,

1335
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:13.760
<v Speaker 3>we wanted to build a thing that we dreamed of.

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01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:18.680
<v Speaker 2>And and I wanted something I could share with my

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01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:21.359
<v Speaker 2>breeder friends, like as a resource. And that was mainly it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, oh so sorry, Matt. One more thing that I

1339
01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.880
<v Speaker 3>wanted to just make sure was really clear to people

1340
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:34.159
<v Speaker 3>is that we're not trying to have every single cut

1341
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:39.079
<v Speaker 3>of hype or noteworthiness on there. It's really about, like

1342
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.000
<v Speaker 3>what Matt was saying, you can consider it like it's

1343
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.680
<v Speaker 3>a hall of fame of sorts or like legacy strains

1344
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.680
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. It's more about that. It's more about impact

1345
01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:53.399
<v Speaker 3>and history than it is about more plants.

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01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly. And and some of the ones with a

1347
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:57.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of legend around them that we've tried to crack

1348
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:01.800
<v Speaker 2>over the years, like for example, Dog, which you know,

1349
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:04.640
<v Speaker 2>is a very controversial strain, and it was one of

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01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:08.520
<v Speaker 2>the ones that took me some time and just thinking

1351
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:11.239
<v Speaker 2>about it, I figured out a few ways on how

1352
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:14.600
<v Speaker 2>to approach it, because it's not one that I could

1353
01:16:14.680 --> 01:16:17.760
<v Speaker 2>just approach from this is what we've seen in the

1354
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:21.880
<v Speaker 2>plants from my perspective and other a few other breeders' perspectives,

1355
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:25.479
<v Speaker 2>and this is what they are. I didn't feel comfortable

1356
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:29.920
<v Speaker 2>just doing that. That's one where I feel like it

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01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:33.720
<v Speaker 2>needs to have all of the history with it. The

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01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:38.239
<v Speaker 2>forum posts from Kem Dogg himself, from Peabud, from JJ

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01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:41.439
<v Speaker 2>New York, from everyone that's been involved, all the way

1360
01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:45.680
<v Speaker 2>up the line, every last one of their quotes, so

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01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:49.560
<v Speaker 2>everyone can make you know, conclusions for themselves based on

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01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:53.920
<v Speaker 2>what these guys themselves said. It helps put a lot

1363
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:57.199
<v Speaker 2>into perspective when you have all that stuff, and it

1364
01:16:57.279 --> 01:17:01.279
<v Speaker 2>helps it also be a more valuable historical resource because

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01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:04.119
<v Speaker 2>it's not just me telling you what I think based

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01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:06.720
<v Speaker 2>on my experience, because that can always be based on

1367
01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:11.039
<v Speaker 2>faith or agenda. This is me presenting all of not

1368
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:14.600
<v Speaker 2>just my own conclusions, but here is all the data

1369
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:17.159
<v Speaker 2>that goes with it. Here's their conclusions, here's the story

1370
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.760
<v Speaker 2>that started with it, and here's where I ended up.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can totally disregard anything that I have to say.

1372
01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:26.079
<v Speaker 2>You can absolutely believe that everything you're reading in the

1373
01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:27.680
<v Speaker 2>forum post and that's fine because they'll be up there

1374
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:31.119
<v Speaker 2>for you to read. And that's more of where I

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01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:34.880
<v Speaker 2>want to take it. Yeah, I mean, Keim Doug was

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01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.359
<v Speaker 2>a perfect scenario strain for something like that, where it

1377
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:42.279
<v Speaker 2>was just like, what is presenting what I think enough?

1378
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Or do I need to present stuff that I may

1379
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.680
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily even agree with all the time, but I

1380
01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:52.560
<v Speaker 2>think it's important maybe to to present that too as

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01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:55.239
<v Speaker 2>as complete as possible and not cherry pick too.

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01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, And I think the important thing to point

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01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:02.960
<v Speaker 3>out here is that, like me, you know, as someone

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01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.439
<v Speaker 3>who works with data a lot in my other life,

1385
01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:12.399
<v Speaker 3>information and gathering knowledge, it's a process. Yeah, it's first

1386
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:18.920
<v Speaker 3>and foremost a process. So if this website can embody

1387
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:23.720
<v Speaker 3>that process, that's that's really all, you know, Like I

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01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:28.880
<v Speaker 3>mean not sorry, not that's not all, but like that's

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01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:34.520
<v Speaker 3>that's something that like can be relied upon regardless of

1390
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:37.720
<v Speaker 3>the state of information. Yeah, because you know, if you

1391
01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:39.479
<v Speaker 3>can trust the process, you know at least that the

1392
01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:43.840
<v Speaker 3>information will be getting validated and proved that there's someone

1393
01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:46.319
<v Speaker 3>who's actually accountable for it. Like you can you know

1394
01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:51.159
<v Speaker 3>that Matt's name for better or worse is on those entries. Yeah,

1395
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:53.960
<v Speaker 3>And because another thing that's worth saying as well, even

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01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:56.800
<v Speaker 3>though that's Matt's name, Matt is connected with a whole

1397
01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:59.079
<v Speaker 3>bunch of people who he talks to a lot about

1398
01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:02.279
<v Speaker 3>these things. So implicitly those people are there. Their names

1399
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:07.279
<v Speaker 3>are not necessarily there, but you know, Matt is definitely

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01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:09.279
<v Speaker 3>talking to CSI about this stuff.

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01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:12.439
<v Speaker 2>For example, Yeah, there's one of many people that. Yeah,

1402
01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:15.399
<v Speaker 2>and I'm talking to the people that I highly respect,

1403
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Like it's not just my opinion on a lot of

1404
01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:22.359
<v Speaker 2>this stuff, it's the people who I respect and you know,

1405
01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:26.199
<v Speaker 2>like taking their work and putting it on there, and

1406
01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:29.439
<v Speaker 2>like you know, like I'm I'm reaching out. Some of

1407
01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:31.680
<v Speaker 2>them aren't on there because I'm waiting for, you know,

1408
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:34.439
<v Speaker 2>CSI to giving back some freaking input, because I don't

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01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:37.640
<v Speaker 2>want to put my my data up there because my frankly,

1410
01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I like I on certain strains, maybe I don't even

1411
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:43.159
<v Speaker 2>trust my own experience with him, because maybe I got

1412
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:46.439
<v Speaker 2>a specific clone from a dispensary or or even maybe

1413
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I got it from a source that's good, but maybe

1414
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:50.600
<v Speaker 2>it's not as good as his source, and maybe he

1415
01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:53.239
<v Speaker 2>had a different experience, you know, and I'd rather rather

1416
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:57.720
<v Speaker 2>that be up there, because I trust his input more

1417
01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:02.119
<v Speaker 2>than mine based on just obvious experience, you know, very

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01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:03.479
<v Speaker 2>obvious experience in that case.

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01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:07.000
<v Speaker 3>And you know, Matt, like ultimately you also have the

1420
01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:13.640
<v Speaker 3>freedom to how would I put it, You also have

1421
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:17.800
<v Speaker 3>the freedom to like express where they're conflicting perspectives, right,

1422
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:19.479
<v Speaker 3>like I think you probably have in some of those

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01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:21.520
<v Speaker 3>entries written life. This is what I think, but some

1424
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:24.439
<v Speaker 3>other people think this, and maybe it's a good time

1425
01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:27.520
<v Speaker 3>for me to actually briefly outline like what you can

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01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:28.680
<v Speaker 3>see on the entries.

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01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do that.

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01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:32.439
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, so, Matt, I left a link to the

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01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:33.880
<v Speaker 3>km dog one in the chat if you want to

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01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:35.359
<v Speaker 3>go and quickly look at it while I'm saying this.

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01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:38.239
<v Speaker 3>But so, the first thing you see, you can see

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01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:40.359
<v Speaker 3>the parents, at least what we know of the parents.

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01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:44.000
<v Speaker 3>You can see the aliases are either the various names

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01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:47.520
<v Speaker 3>this cut or line has had. Yeah, you can see

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01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:52.119
<v Speaker 3>the children and a really important thing that we added.

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01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:56.079
<v Speaker 3>And we'll come back to this anecdote later. Yeah, a

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01:20:56.119 --> 01:21:00.159
<v Speaker 3>bit of us covering. We added what we call information certainty,

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01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:02.800
<v Speaker 3>and this is for Matt to be like, hey, this

1439
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:05.920
<v Speaker 3>is wild speculation, Like, don't you know take this with

1440
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:09.520
<v Speaker 3>a huge grain, you know, a fistful of salt, or

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01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:12.199
<v Speaker 3>on the other end of it. No, this is like

1442
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:15.560
<v Speaker 3>pretty damn certain, Like I'm very confident in this, And

1443
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:18.800
<v Speaker 3>so there's a little rating just to kind of indicate like, yeah,

1444
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:23.920
<v Speaker 3>how certain mat is. Then there's filial generation. There is

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01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:26.479
<v Speaker 3>whether this is referring to a line or cut, which

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01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:31.720
<v Speaker 3>I think is very important because often that's like very blurry. Yeah,

1447
01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:32.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, is this a line or is this an

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01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:38.800
<v Speaker 3>individual plant? Yeah, Matt. We've also listed like some of

1449
01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:42.079
<v Speaker 3>the people we know have either our holding or have

1450
01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:47.880
<v Speaker 3>historically have been known to have held these plants. Yeah,

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01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:51.920
<v Speaker 3>we have a year of origin, region of origin, broad description,

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01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:57.000
<v Speaker 3>and then we have like I was saying before, my

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01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:02.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, early version of a filos galaxy type thing. Yes,

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01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:05.119
<v Speaker 3>I do want to say that, like, this is what

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01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:10.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm most proud of and most embarrassed of, because you'll

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<v Speaker 3>notice that you can kind of zoom in on the

1457
01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:16.560
<v Speaker 3>immediate family, which works pretty well once you go to

1458
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:19.640
<v Speaker 3>the extended family. I e. Like the whole tree. It

1459
01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:23.479
<v Speaker 3>gets pretty crazy. So I'm gonna be that's gonna be

1460
01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:24.840
<v Speaker 3>a work in progress kind of thing.

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01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Sure, And I will say this is like one of

1462
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:32.680
<v Speaker 2>those things that it's been very hard for me as

1463
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:35.680
<v Speaker 2>far as getting other people to be actually do the

1464
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:40.000
<v Speaker 2>actual data entry is because when looks, you're at a

1465
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:43.720
<v Speaker 2>strain map and how you do it the logic behind it.

1466
01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Like if I just put BLD of unknown origin for example,

1467
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:50.680
<v Speaker 2>as a parent, and then linked all these to the parent,

1468
01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:53.640
<v Speaker 2>then we would have a bunch of unrelated things linked

1469
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:57.600
<v Speaker 2>to sisters and brothers, and that's really easy to do.

1470
01:22:57.880 --> 01:23:00.960
<v Speaker 2>So then I realized everything needs its own variable. But

1471
01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I have to be able to remember in my head

1472
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:05.800
<v Speaker 2>those variables, so I don't reuse those variables. So yeah,

1473
01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:06.359
<v Speaker 2>it's crazy.

1474
01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So just to be clear, Matt's talking about a

1475
01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:15.079
<v Speaker 3>situation where like, yeah, some some some famous plant we know,

1476
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:17.239
<v Speaker 3>we can guess that the parent is like yeah, some

1477
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:23.439
<v Speaker 3>like NLD BLD, and in the database that becomes its

1478
01:23:23.479 --> 01:23:27.039
<v Speaker 3>own entry that BLD or NLD whatever it is generic thing.

1479
01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:29.479
<v Speaker 3>And what Matt's saying is that he has to be

1480
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:33.039
<v Speaker 3>careful not to actually assume that that represents the same

1481
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:38.359
<v Speaker 3>individual plant. Yes, and he has to distinguish them. So unknown,

1482
01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:40.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm just I'm just making it up up off the

1483
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:42.880
<v Speaker 3>top of my head. But you know, unknown BLD one

1484
01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:47.520
<v Speaker 3>three five, Unknown BLD twenty seven. You know, Vega just

1485
01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:50.920
<v Speaker 3>be kept separate. Yeah, you can't be vague even when

1486
01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:54.039
<v Speaker 3>they're placeholders. Even when their placeholders, we need to be

1487
01:23:54.039 --> 01:23:57.640
<v Speaker 3>really clear that they are separate placeholders.

1488
01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:01.199
<v Speaker 2>And trying to teach people my syntax of like how

1489
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I choose which variable in the name, And it's been

1490
01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:07.720
<v Speaker 2>very hard, very hard. No one's picked it up yet,

1491
01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:10.079
<v Speaker 2>so and I think it's actually been like kind of

1492
01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:12.920
<v Speaker 2>some people are like, oh, I'm not even to try,

1493
01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:16.079
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like because it is it's complicated.

1494
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>The logic of it is complicated, and you can't ever

1495
01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:21.039
<v Speaker 2>screw it up or the whole thing breaks in my opinion.

1496
01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:25.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, so you know, on on that note, you know,

1497
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:28.399
<v Speaker 3>I should say we want as much feedback as we

1498
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:31.439
<v Speaker 3>can get from people. You know, one thing that I

1499
01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:33.640
<v Speaker 3>haven't built yet that I really do want to build,

1500
01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:36.039
<v Speaker 3>that Matt and I discussed last week. There's actually a

1501
01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:38.960
<v Speaker 3>little like comments feature at the bottom so people can

1502
01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:43.039
<v Speaker 3>actually say what they think on the page. In the

1503
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:46.039
<v Speaker 3>current absence of that, please obviously comment here hit me

1504
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.279
<v Speaker 3>or Matt up on ig if you have anything to

1505
01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:49.760
<v Speaker 3>say about any of the entries.

1506
01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

1507
01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:55.439
<v Speaker 3>Last couple of things that we have on the Plant

1508
01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:59.079
<v Speaker 3>pages at the moment is a references section. So the

1509
01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:02.079
<v Speaker 3>idea here is to link any other kind of content,

1510
01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:06.359
<v Speaker 3>whether it's like a forum thread, breed, a syndicate episode,

1511
01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:10.119
<v Speaker 3>anything anything we want to like try to flesh those

1512
01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.279
<v Speaker 3>references out. Again, work in progress. We're not quite there yet,

1513
01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:18.399
<v Speaker 3>but slowly I think every page will become like a

1514
01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:21.239
<v Speaker 3>nice little hub of different kinds of information.

1515
01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:24.880
<v Speaker 2>And I think so like, there's great pictures of Kim

1516
01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:28.079
<v Speaker 2>one through four which are very hard to find, you

1517
01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. Yes, so it's a quick reference

1518
01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:30.520
<v Speaker 2>on stuff like that.

1519
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:34.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, photos, Sorry, there are lots of photos. Well, I

1520
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:40.520
<v Speaker 3>mean where we have them there? Photos. Was there anything

1521
01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:42.479
<v Speaker 3>else we wanted to say about what we do have there?

1522
01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.880
<v Speaker 3>Met because otherwise I wanted to move on to like

1523
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.359
<v Speaker 3>things that I could see coming as well.

1524
01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:51.359
<v Speaker 2>No, I think it's very very much what we just said.

1525
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:53.000
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think we're good.

1526
01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Well we haven't even said where it is.

1527
01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:57.439
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we'll put a link in the description, but

1528
01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:03.239
<v Speaker 3>I'll say the website is is codex dot the Breeders

1529
01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Syndicate dot com. Correct, so codex dot the Breedersyndicate dot com.

1530
01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:13.039
<v Speaker 3>It's not been properly indexed on Google yet, but I

1531
01:26:13.039 --> 01:26:15.640
<v Speaker 3>imagine once we start sharing the links out and people

1532
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:18.600
<v Speaker 3>more people share them, yeah, yeah, onto Google soon.

1533
01:26:19.800 --> 01:26:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I've been I've been a little hesitant to put it

1534
01:26:23.039 --> 01:26:25.760
<v Speaker 2>out because for me, like I wanted to be as

1535
01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:29.960
<v Speaker 2>complete as possible. But realistically, with everything going on, like

1536
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:33.279
<v Speaker 2>the ability to constantly add to it's been taken away

1537
01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:38.479
<v Speaker 2>from time to time, and it's it's pretty good, and

1538
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:40.680
<v Speaker 2>we need to start somewhere, you know what I mean.

1539
01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:43.199
<v Speaker 2>So I think, uh, I think I'm good with that now.

1540
01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:47.760
<v Speaker 3>So really, what Matt's saying, please be patient, Please be

1541
01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:53.880
<v Speaker 3>gentle if you can, Mozilla with your feedback. This is

1542
01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:57.359
<v Speaker 3>still very early. And like Matt saying, and like I said,

1543
01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:02.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, keep implying, you know, keep saying, it's a process. Yeah,

1544
01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:05.720
<v Speaker 3>and for any process like this, the more feedback we

1545
01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:10.399
<v Speaker 3>can get, the better it can be. And yeah, yeah,

1546
01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:13.279
<v Speaker 3>so hopefully we'll have more feedback mechanisms available on the

1547
01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:16.600
<v Speaker 3>app itself soon, but otherwise just reach out to us

1548
01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:24.520
<v Speaker 3>in whatever way you want comment on this video, et cetera. Yeah, man,

1549
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:26.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm really on a ramble this one. I guess I've

1550
01:27:26.199 --> 01:27:27.239
<v Speaker 3>got a lot to say about it.

1551
01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>That's good. It's good.

1552
01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:34.039
<v Speaker 3>I'll say one more thing, and it's sort of gestures

1553
01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:39.399
<v Speaker 3>towards future stuff. I kind of had a possible idea that, like,

1554
01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:44.039
<v Speaker 3>other people could also use this for adding their own entries,

1555
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:47.800
<v Speaker 3>i e. If you're a breeder or you know, seed

1556
01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:50.800
<v Speaker 3>maker or whatever hobbyist and you want to like map

1557
01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:55.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, some some family of relationships. I thought about

1558
01:27:55.920 --> 01:28:00.000
<v Speaker 3>opening it up. The problem is that that in itself

1559
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:03.000
<v Speaker 3>introduced as a whole bunch of new possible problems like

1560
01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:05.359
<v Speaker 3>should those entries go into the main like Hall of

1561
01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Fame section? How do we keep people's data like separate?

1562
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Should it be private? So I haven't really moved on

1563
01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:16.039
<v Speaker 3>it yet. I think we can guess that it would

1564
01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:20.640
<v Speaker 3>be popular and that it it would get some you know, uptake, But.

1565
01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:26.720
<v Speaker 2>I would think, yeah, personally, I think just thinking about it,

1566
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:29.520
<v Speaker 2>like it would be cool if people could have it

1567
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:32.800
<v Speaker 2>as a separate and public thing that they could share

1568
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>if they wanted to only because I was thinking back

1569
01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>to a seed finder, like if they would have had

1570
01:28:37.960 --> 01:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>something like that, like that would have been really cool,

1571
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:42.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, it would have served the purpose, but you

1572
01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:46.279
<v Speaker 2>know it didn't, So you know, I think that's not

1573
01:28:46.319 --> 01:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>a bad idea.

1574
01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:50.800
<v Speaker 3>I can kind of see like two different downstream like

1575
01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:55.279
<v Speaker 3>implementation implementations of this. One is like we extend what

1576
01:28:55.319 --> 01:28:58.640
<v Speaker 3>we have, which I have tried a little bit, Like

1577
01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:00.960
<v Speaker 3>we have had people come on already, and I've tried

1578
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:02.920
<v Speaker 3>to be like, okay, maybe we can just let them

1579
01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.119
<v Speaker 3>add stuff to their page, but it doesn't go into

1580
01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:08.319
<v Speaker 3>the Hall of Fame, but that has other complications. The

1581
01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:12.199
<v Speaker 3>other possibility is I basically make an alternative version of

1582
01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:15.880
<v Speaker 3>this that's just for the community, where I rip obviously

1583
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:18.000
<v Speaker 3>most of the code, but I change it slightly.

1584
01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:21.560
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's interesting.

1585
01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:25.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. The difficulty here, I think for me, is

1586
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:29.640
<v Speaker 3>that the problem with software is that once you have

1587
01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:32.720
<v Speaker 3>it up and you're saying that other people can join

1588
01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:36.800
<v Speaker 3>and stuff, maintenance costs and risk can kind of like

1589
01:29:37.520 --> 01:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>really blow out. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, like it's

1590
01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:46.960
<v Speaker 3>hard to know whether or not we have the capacity

1591
01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:50.319
<v Speaker 3>to you know, keep building and maintaining those things.

1592
01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:50.520
<v Speaker 2>So.

1593
01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:54.399
<v Speaker 3>We'll see. I would say that, like what we've started

1594
01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:57.039
<v Speaker 3>with is already pretty ambitious, so you'll see how this

1595
01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:00.520
<v Speaker 3>all unfolds and how the kind of interesting you might get.

1596
01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:09.520
<v Speaker 3>What else is there to say about it? I don't

1597
01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:11.720
<v Speaker 3>know if there's much else, you know, what do you think?

1598
01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Just just that, you know, like we do want to

1599
01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:18.560
<v Speaker 2>be inclusive with it eventually, but you know, like to

1600
01:30:18.680 --> 01:30:20.479
<v Speaker 2>start out, it has to be a certain way to

1601
01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:22.760
<v Speaker 2>establish the baselines, and a lot of this is just

1602
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:26.159
<v Speaker 2>simply me doing data entry from old catalogs that I

1603
01:30:26.199 --> 01:30:30.479
<v Speaker 2>have too. Some of it is stuff like me getting

1604
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, pictures of Bubba Cush collecting all the info

1605
01:30:33.680 --> 01:30:36.279
<v Speaker 2>on all the data from everybody. I know that's reliable

1606
01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:38.319
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to bubble Cush enter all that in,

1607
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, each one, you know, as it relates to

1608
01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:46.000
<v Speaker 2>like Blueberry go enter everything in every step of the

1609
01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>way up, so it's not incomplete, so it never runs

1610
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:50.520
<v Speaker 2>into a wall, you know what I mean. So there's

1611
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of little things like that that I wanted

1612
01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:55.600
<v Speaker 2>to do to get it right, and I've done a

1613
01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of that. So yeah, there's not it's not one

1614
01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>big agenda. It's just going to be a historical resource.

1615
01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:05.039
<v Speaker 2>And you know, when we first talked about it, there's

1616
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:07.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of backlash from people. Some of it was

1617
01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:08.840
<v Speaker 2>some of it was legitimate, and some of it was

1618
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>just like what it didn't make any sense to me.

1619
01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:13.960
<v Speaker 2>But I think there's a lot of perception on how

1620
01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:16.720
<v Speaker 2>people think it's going to be handled and how people

1621
01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:21.600
<v Speaker 2>think it might turn out. And realistically, I think a

1622
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:23.199
<v Speaker 2>lot of people had a lot of perceptions about how

1623
01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>breeder syndic it was going to turn out, what the

1624
01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:27.039
<v Speaker 2>agenda was, and we're totally wrong. So I'm interested to

1625
01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>see how this unfolds.

1626
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I'll just say this to add a bit of add

1627
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:34.640
<v Speaker 3>a bit of drama, add a bit of spice, and

1628
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I won't obviously go into the details. But I early on,

1629
01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:40.760
<v Speaker 3>while I was developing it, you know, I had a

1630
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:44.640
<v Speaker 3>little at the time of fairly small Instagram following, and

1631
01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:46.399
<v Speaker 3>I decided to take a screenshot of one of the

1632
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:48.800
<v Speaker 3>pages and just put it up. And it wasn't because

1633
01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:52.600
<v Speaker 3>necessarily of the information on the page. I just wanted

1634
01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:56.000
<v Speaker 3>to show what the website was looking like at that point. Proud, Yeah,

1635
01:31:56.199 --> 01:32:00.399
<v Speaker 3>I was proud of it. Yeah, But unfortunately some people

1636
01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:04.439
<v Speaker 3>got really offended by it, and it caused a bit

1637
01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:08.119
<v Speaker 3>of a yeah a scene, and I was just like,

1638
01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:10.279
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, it was my first taste I think

1639
01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:12.880
<v Speaker 3>of like the kinds of what I considered to be

1640
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:17.520
<v Speaker 3>quite petty drama. Yeah. Yeah, they can arise in this world,

1641
01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:20.800
<v Speaker 3>and I expect that we will have We'll probably see

1642
01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:22.520
<v Speaker 3>more of that, right without doubt.

1643
01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>That was just one picture, oh one of them. Yeah,

1644
01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:27.520
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like the whole size.

1645
01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:31.119
<v Speaker 3>That is also when we did add the information certainty

1646
01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:33.880
<v Speaker 3>rating to be like you know, and actually that's a

1647
01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:35.960
<v Speaker 3>reminder you probably to go through and add those to

1648
01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:37.079
<v Speaker 3>various entries.

1649
01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do that. Yeah, we'll get that done.

1650
01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Get that that ass covering it. Yeah yeah, So I

1651
01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:49.119
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to relay that little anecdote just to it's

1652
01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:51.640
<v Speaker 3>just so people have an idea of like some of

1653
01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:55.159
<v Speaker 3>the dramas that have occurred and probably will will occur

1654
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:56.560
<v Speaker 3>once now that we're launching it.

1655
01:32:56.920 --> 01:33:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, yeah, but yeah, I invite it, like you know,

1656
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>like I don't. I don't undertandly invite drama that's suck, say,

1657
01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>nobody wants to deal with that, even my dumb ass

1658
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:07.640
<v Speaker 2>doesn't that deals with it. All day doesn't want to

1659
01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>deal with it. But I do invite criticism, and I

1660
01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:14.199
<v Speaker 2>do invite people that have better knowledge than me to

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<v Speaker 2>give me their input. And that isn't to say that

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<v Speaker 2>like just because you think your knowledge is better, that

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01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to agree, But it does also doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm going to disagree. So you'd be surprised. Even

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01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:29.119
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I'm surprised. So feel free to reach out comment below,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hit me up on Instagram or a discord.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just to be clear, I'm not trying to incite drama.

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01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:39.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that we would hope to see not as

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<v Speaker 3>much drama, but I'm expecting some.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, Yeah, I'm not I'm not scared of it,

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01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I don't have anything else to say

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01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:55.520
<v Speaker 3>about it for now, Matt, and I think I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>excited for this to actually be visible and people and

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<v Speaker 3>so this is really just the first step, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in a way, and it'll help like a fire

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01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:09.199
<v Speaker 2>a rounder me to keep keep raging on it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of stoked see where it goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Matt's gonna like have to add some filters to

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01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:15.279
<v Speaker 3>his inbox soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, all right, yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's it. Do anything else you want to add?

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<v Speaker 3>No, again, we'll put the link in the description, but

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01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:32.319
<v Speaker 3>it's codex dot the Bretasyndica dot com. Like I said,

1685
01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:36.000
<v Speaker 3>give us feedback on any of the social media platforms, YouTube, whatever,

1686
01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:39.239
<v Speaker 3>and again shut out to I didn't right.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, right here, I'm going to put the link creditor

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<v Speaker 2>here because I know how to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, there you go, there you go, and yeah, sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing in talking about the process I didn't get

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<v Speaker 3>to say is that thank you so much to Anodyne

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01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:55.840
<v Speaker 3>and Quasia. Yes, as a developer, I can, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>so good at like fine details, especially when it comes

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01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:01.079
<v Speaker 3>to do with the s. I'm just like I want

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<v Speaker 3>the data stuff to be good, you know, all the

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01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:07.439
<v Speaker 3>functionality to be good. So those two really really helped

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01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:13.159
<v Speaker 3>make it look a lot better. Follish it up. Yeah,

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01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.560
<v Speaker 3>there were an immense kind of help to me when

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01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:19.119
<v Speaker 3>I was like driving on it. Apologize for I didn't

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01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:21.479
<v Speaker 3>give you guys a fucking chance to really get much

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01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:23.840
<v Speaker 3>else in there because I was just going so fast.

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01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:26.960
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, thank you so much for your support and

1703
01:35:27.159 --> 01:35:27.920
<v Speaker 3>like your work.

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01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys worked really well together. It is insane

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01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:33.199
<v Speaker 2>to watch, like, how will you guys all like streamline together?

1706
01:35:33.319 --> 01:35:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Like boom boom boom. Usually people are arguing or bickering

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01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>for top spot. But everybody was just like, this is

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01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:39.560
<v Speaker 2>what I'm doing, this is what I'm doing. Bam, let's

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<v Speaker 2>do it. It was rad.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really cool. Yeah, I think what I got

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01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:47.840
<v Speaker 3>to see there was like three fairly senior professionals like yeah,

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01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:49.920
<v Speaker 3>looking together and there was rad Like I did not

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01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:53.800
<v Speaker 3>expect to get other people to help, so yeah, yeah,

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01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:54.279
<v Speaker 3>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, shout out to them, Thank you to them.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's uh. You anything else you want to

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01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:03.479
<v Speaker 2>get in?

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01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:07.159
<v Speaker 3>Nah, that that's it. I'm just excited to see what

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<v Speaker 3>happens once this episode goes live.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too, very excited to see it, very exciting

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01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:17.680
<v Speaker 2>to see where it goes. So yeah, any anything else?

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01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:19.439
<v Speaker 2>Leave the comment below.

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01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:25.479
<v Speaker 3>With that said, plugs with that.

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01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:29.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go check out breedersy Patreon. It's patreon dot com

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01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:32.159
<v Speaker 2>forward slash breeder Syndicate. I'll put that link right here

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01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>right now, and yeah links in the description too. Go

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<v Speaker 2>check got right Seeds dot com for all the right

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01:36:37.800 --> 01:36:40.119
<v Speaker 2>seed spray and all of your right seeds needs. There's

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01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:41.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of other breeders there, so go check it

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<v Speaker 2>out and I think that's it. Patreon discord that's where

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01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:48.800
<v Speaker 2>we hang out. It's super fun and that links to

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01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:49.680
<v Speaker 2>description as well.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, thank you everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's a wrap. Cheers. You want to sit

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01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:07.479
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<v Speaker 2>please check it out syndicate here dot com. We also

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<v Speaker 2>have an underground syndicate discord where we get together and

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01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:29.880
<v Speaker 2>solve old strain history together daily. It's an amazing community

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<v Speaker 2>of learning away from IG and it's an amazing resource

1745
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<v Speaker 2>union of breeders and growers. Come check it out.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh stop one second, go click like somewhere m hmmm,

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<v Speaker 4>and click subscribe and then the little bell thing right

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<v Speaker 4>there and then we're good good, Okay, back to the

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<v Speaker 4>show