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Speaker 1: I'm not just a podcaster. I'm a podcast connoisseur. That

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Speaker 2: Good morning, how are you?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm absolutely wonderful. How are you today?

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Speaker 1: Ero looking forward to sharing a conversation with you because

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you and I share so much in common when it

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comes to discovering that self on the inside and then

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using them not only as a best friend, but as

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a tool. Exactly, exactly, now, when did you realize that

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it was time to put the focus on the inside,

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Because so many times, especially when you're growing up, they go, oh,

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you're so into yourself. Well, then as an adult going yeah,

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I got to get into myself so I can figure

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out where I'm going.

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Speaker 2: I would have to say Arrow that it really did.

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It took me to hit rock bottom to realize that

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the outside world is not going to help me out anymore.

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And when I hit rock bottom, as I talk about

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in my book, August seventeenth or twenty nineteen, and then

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I had my awakening. That was when I really focused

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on myself, what is it that I can do for

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myself because what's happening is not working. And then after

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that it was the realization of why why do I

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want to change? And once I realized what my whys were,

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that was when it was like a pivotal moment where

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I need to start working on myself because nobody else

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is going to do it for me at all.

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Speaker 1: Why won't you change is such a very important question

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because that next step is how am I going to change.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly? And that was when I realized that I

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really needed to start to sit in my stillness. And

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most of us are so afraid of that because at

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that point in our life, when we're sitting in our stillness,

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when all of the triggers start to pop up, things

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that we don't want to talk about or think about,

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that's when it all comes to surface. But people really

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need to realize that when you're sitting in your stillness

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and all of these triggers and these memories and all

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of that start to pop up. It's actually a gift.

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These are the things that you need to heal in

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order to go forward, which is your tool that needs

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to heal, which is going to take you to the

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next level of elevation to get you where you're meant

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to be, to find your greatness. And also people need

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to realize too that once you also sit in your

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stillness all the pain that surfaces, your purpose is in

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your pain and you need to feel that, and that's

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what's also going to get you to your next level.

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Speaker 1: See. And I think that's what people are afraid of,

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because everything that I've ever studied, they all say the

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reason why we live in our past is because we

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know it already, whereas the future we don't know it.

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And so people go, I'm okay, I'm gonna stay right here.

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I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I really truly believe that most of us live in

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our pain is because like live in our past, live

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in our past is because the pain is so hurtful, yes,

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and we don't know how to go forward. We don't

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think that word that we are worthy enough to go forward,

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and so what we do is we replay our pain.

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does become our normal.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Shannon Kim coming

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up next. The name of her book Answers Within You.

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We are back with Shannon Kim Sha n A in

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k y M. One of the focuses that you have

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is is speaking the truth about being an addict without

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sounding like the typical addict. And and so when when

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you talk about what you just did, it's it's everything

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just goes together like a puzzle with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I'm gonna be honest with you, Erro.

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I have done so much work on myself. Yes, And

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the biggest, the biggest shift that happened with me was

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was when I took accountability. And once I took accountability

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for everything that took place in my life, that was

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when things totally changed for me. Because you do get

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to an age in your life where you got to

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start taking responsibility. You can no longer act like the

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victimy And that was a big That was a big

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thing for me, was when I no longer acted like

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a victim, and once I could see everything in my life,

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you know, right from a childhood right up until like

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and I talk about this one particular in my chapter

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thanks you for doing me wrong? Yeah, And I look

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at every scenario, every situation, every person that wronged me

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or whatever they were put in my life for a

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particular reason. They were there to teach me a lesson.

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lesson and move forward, or I could play victim. Well

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with me, I'm not a victim. I am moving forward

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in any of those situations that I learned from. I

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grew but not only from that, you know, I actually

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teach these things to other people, because that is so important.

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People are in your life for two reasons. This is

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how I look at it. I simplify it very simple.

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Two people there, if they're in your life for two reasons.

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One for me to really pay attention to what they're

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teaching me, and also for them to be really paying

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attention to what they're learning from me. It's very simple.

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It's really simple if you really look at it. Anybody

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that is listening to this today, as you go throughout

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your day, really become aware and pay attention of that

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other person that you're interacting with. And I'm talking about

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whether it's a ten second interaction or if it's like

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a twenty minute interaction, there is something that was brought

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in that person to teach you. Whether you're just walking

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down the street arrow and you're noticing something in somebody

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else as you're walking by, in that person that you're

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looking at, what is it that you're noticing? Are you

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noticing that they're overweight? Well? Why are you noticing that?

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Because that's the reflection of truly what's happening with you? Yes? Right, yeah,

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so you're look at you're noticing that that person is overweight.

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Oh okay, so what is it about that that's really

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bothering you? Is it because you are looking at yourself

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and thinking that you are overweight? Bingo? Do you know

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what I mean? It's just I got the shivers right

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now thinking about it, because most people don't think like

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's a trip through empathy in the

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way that when when you sit there and you go,

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why would you feel this way if they triggered it?

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I mean, it's almost like you're putting yourself in their

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shoes to better understand by way of empathy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, because I really feel that there's love and grace,

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patience in every single one of us. And once you

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become aware that that's exactly what it is, and you

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can have love and compassion to yourself because that's what

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most of us lack. That's what most of us lack

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and other than compassion for ourselves. And that's why I

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want to stress to every single person out there that

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you need to start sitting in your stillness, those silent

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moments that you have with yourself. That's where you're going

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to find the love, patience, empathy, grace, all of that

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is within yourself. That's where you find out where you

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truly love yourself. So I explain all of this in

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my book and it is an absolutely wonderful and amazing thing.

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I love. I love being with myself. I love being

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in my silence. I love being because whenever I've got

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a problem errow, I know that's what I need to

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stick with myself because all my answers are within anything

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that's happening on the outside world. I've literally created. I've

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created myself, whether it be doubt or jealousy, whatever it

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can be. I created that So when I stick in

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my stillness with myself and my office or in my

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chair in my life room or whatever it is, I

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ask myself the question, why, Shannon, is this happening?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I'll get the answer, and that's what I have

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to change within me.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think that's because you also put a lot

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of focus on the difference between recovery and healing, Because

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if you're starting to ask yourself questions, it's like, it's like,

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I want to heal, but I also want to recover.

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But there is a difference in this, and you know

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there's a very fine line there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I see. I look at myself too as

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absolutely I wanted to heal, there's no question, but I

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look at healing and addiction something and on totally. Like

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you said, there there's a difference there. To say, for example,

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if if I don't tell people that you know, I'm

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an alcoholic, right, that carries an identity from my past.

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That's not who I am. Do I believe? Do I

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believe the arrow that I'm an alcoholic? Absolutely not. That

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was an identity that I carried of myself long ago.

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lot of these labels out there. I don't have to

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carry that forward to the rest of my life. I

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was somebody that was addicted. I am not anymore because

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that's not who I am anymore. I look at myself

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now as I am strong, I am successful, I am powerful,

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I am an amazing individual, I am an amazing mother.

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That's what you need to concentrate on now. It's those

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people that get stuck that keep on thinking that they

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are an alcoholic or a drug addict or whatever, and

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they keep on labeling themselves that's for the rest of

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their life. You will never ever stare me say want no.

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You will hear me say the positive thing.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I truly believe that. You know, people

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relapse over and over and over again because they aren't

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taught to tools to go forward in the future. You

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know that, Like I said, that was my past. These individuals,

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that's your past. That's not who you are. You are

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not that you are whoever you decide you want to

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whoever you decide to be. So that's where you create

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that new identity of what you choose to be for

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the rest of your life.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you?

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Miss Shannon Kim because I mean they need to know

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your journey and how committed to the community you really are.

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Speaker 2: They can follow me on Instagram, Facebook, Shannon Kim. They

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can contact me at Shannonkim dot com, my website, or

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they can also go onto my LinkedIn which is also

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Shannon Kim.

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Speaker 1: It's Shannon as a sah A n N A in.

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So make sure that you know that they know that

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A is in there and not a O.

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Speaker 2: Yes. And also Kim is k y M, it's not

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k I am so yeah, I'm not spelter to the

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traditional way at all because I'm not a traditional person,

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you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love well, please come back to this show

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anytime in the future because the door is always going

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to be open for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, Erro, and I just want

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to stay. You know, I have a wonderful day, and

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thank you so much for having me on you know,

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your show. I deeply appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant?

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Speaker 2: Okay you as well.