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Speaker 1: The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there, Oh

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dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect

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is to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and grow

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not what we want. If you are looking for an

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Speaker 2: Can you talk about extreme?

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Speaker 3: What is happening and what is up? Hold out your

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Speaker 2: Up torches high, you know, look at it from a

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different perspective, different perspective, different perspective.

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, what is happening and what is up? Hold

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out your glass because we are about to feel it.

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Welcome to the Prometheus Lands Podcast. The place for the

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conversations are always in the lightning. I'm your host, Doc Brown.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: We like to use the allegory of the Prometheus lens

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to take a second look at everything. And if you

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And I want you to know I appreciate it. Hey, guys,

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with all the junk out of the way, let's get

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to the fun stuff. That's what we're here for. And

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I think I got a good guest lined up for

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you guys this week, and I think we're gonna have

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some really good conversations that you will enjoy. This is

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a man that has an Instagram page and he shares

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knowledge nuggets every single day. I've been listening to his

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stuff and watching it for a while now and I've

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just reached out. It was like, hey, man, would you

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like to have a conversation about some of this stuff?

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And he was more than willing to come on the show.

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So I'd like to welcome the show for the first time,

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hopefully first time with many Mario, Mario, think you're coming

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on hanging out with us?

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Speaker 2: Brother, Yeah, of course, thank you for the invite.

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Speaker 3: For those that's not familiar, just kind of give us

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us an option, you know, a little bit background, tell

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us about your page, what kind of stuff you're into.

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Just give us a feel.

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Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, So my project is called Symbolic Studies. If

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people are interested in what I have to say, they

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can go to Symbolicstudies dot com and from there they

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can find my Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, Twitter, all that kind

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of stuff. And I've been a lifelong artist and I've

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been a graphic designer for a number of years now,

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and design and art really led me to symbolism. And

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it was over time did I really find that I

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had a very strong interest in this topic. But I

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would say around two thousand and seven two thousand and

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eight is when I started buying symbolic dictionaries and since

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then it's been basically what I've collected. I've had many

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collections over the years, and now I can only justify

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collecting books at this point. And over time I got

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a really good lay of the land with symbolism and

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sort of figured out the authors that we're worth following,

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sort of the perspective I think that is really worth

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its weight in gold when it comes to symbolism. And

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at some point I figured if I was going to

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be a proper symbologist, I would need to know the

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signs of the zodiac and really what they represent. And

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over time, you know, I got interested in the tarot

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and occult history and esoteric history and things like that,

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and so it just became this weave that I really

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fell in love with, you know, in many ways. And

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so starting in twenty twenty, I started putting out these

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short videos where I talk about, you know, one aspect

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of each sign during the sign itself, and essentially I

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haven't stopped doing that, right, and so it's been about

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five years now and I've put out dozens of videos

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on all of the astrological signs, and now I have

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a podcast as well where I talk about, you know,

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the sign during the sign itself. I have that co

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hosted with my wife as well, who's an herbalist and

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brings her herbal knowledge to the table. There's a really

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interesting correspondence between the signs, the planets and specific herbs

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and things like that, and so she brings a lot

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of that knowledge to the table, which is very much appreciated.

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on YouTube. And so I would say my short form

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but I also bring in another perspective, and it's sort

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of my more advanced interpretation of symbolism and what that's

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all about. And there's actually sort of a symbolic school

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of thought that I really have gravitated towards, and I

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think that that's kind of where a lot of gems

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are kind of held. Some people refer to it as

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the traditionalist school or the Perennialist school, and there's authors

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so specifically the Pole Star, the North Star, and this

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star is really amazing and I'm still taken away by

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what I'm continuing to learn about it, and also the

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constellations around the North Star being ursa major and minor.

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way back in the day and that has kind of

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been lost in the sands of time. So that's kind

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of a specific interest that people do know me for.

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invited on, I've done whole you know, Polestar episodes and

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things like that for people. So the zodiac is one

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main framework. I would say, the pole star and everything

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general is another thing. And then aside from that too,

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just like the fundamentals of symbolism, you know, I think

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that's one of the things that's kind of lost. I

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know a lot of people, everyone has a symbolic interpretation

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of things. You can't kind of divorce yourself from having

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some sort of opinion about that. Your dreams are symbolic.

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of made it a point for myself to really wrap

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my head around fundamental symbolism. So the meaning of really

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basic symbols like the dots, right, the circle, the square,

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the tree, the mountain, things like that. I really kind

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of get off on understanding and having a solid foundation

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I like you had said all the astrology,

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symbolism and stuff that I've seen on your Instagram. I

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wasn't aware that you had a YouTube, so I have

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to go check that out. Now my curiosity has been parked.

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like the long form content. Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I

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was drowned of that because I always thought that stuff

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was kind of fascinating, and a lot of people, like

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in Christian circles, they kind of confuse astrology versus astronomy,

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and you have all kinds of astrological talk. In the Bible.

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and west. The wheels within wheels. I think it's referring

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to this pole star and the paths of the stars

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going around at wheels within wheels. And then I found

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Hamlet's Mill, Yes, and that was one of my favorite books,

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and it talks about how all these old ancient legends

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and stories are talking about the stars. So it's like

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they took something they knew because they didn't have TV,

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they didn't have internet and cell phones and all these

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other distractions, so they were staring at the sky and

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they were picking out these constellations and making animals out

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of them and making stories with these animals. And so

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and be exposed to that and be shown how you

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know this ancient story is talking about this and that

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and the symbolism behind it. All that kind of stuff

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just really fascinated me. So it kind of drew me

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to your content anyway.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, right on. Yeah, that's a classic book right there,

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Hamlet's Mill, and it's speaking to the Wheel of Heaven,

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right and so in my opinion, if there's an axle

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to the wheel Heaven, it makes sense that it would

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be the Polestar, the North Star. And so there's a

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lot of deep, deep symbolism that correlates with that, including

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the idea that essentially it's the northern sky and the

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pole Star that was considered to be the gateway or

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stairway to heaven. And I think even in a lot

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of free Masonic tracing boards they basically allude to this,

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and there's hints about this, you know, in the tarot,

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and you know, once I found out about this dynamic

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of there being a real location symbolically for the stairway

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of Heaven, maybe the sort of exit in the firmament,

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if you will, kind of like the top of the

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dome or something along those lines, I just started acquiring

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as many books as I could that related to some

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of these topics and things like that, and there's more

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out there than you would realize. It's a deep, deep study.

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It's a lifelong study.

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Speaker 3: And one that really kind of blew my mind was

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when I was reading through how it talked about the maelstrom.

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You know this whirlpool and know that that's a symbol.

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It's talking about this postar like you talked about this

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gate way to heaven kind of, and one of the

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old Norse myths, it was talking about this king that

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had this magical meal and that he bought two giantesses

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to turn the wheels of the grinding stones, and that

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they would grind out whatever they sang about, and he

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had them sing about gold and prosperity and all these

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things to prosper his kingdom. And they did, and courses,

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like all humanity, greed takes hold, and they become tired,

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and they're asking him for a break or if they

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can stop, and he says, no, you keep turning, and

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so they get fed up. One night, while everybody's asleep,

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they start singing about invasion and death and plague, and

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sails into their kingdom and raids the town, destroys everyone,

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kills everybody. But then they take the giantesses hostage and

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take the grindstone hostage and put it on the boat,

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and the same thing happens all over again, but this

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time he wants them to grind salt to sell at

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the ports. They'd interests grind and he tells them to

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stop that the boat's full, and they don't stop. They

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keep going until finally the boat sinks and all that

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salt gets into the ocean, and that is supposedly how

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the ocean became so salty.

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Speaker 2: I love that. No, that's really really fascinating. Yeah, I

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know the power of the mill. I mean, it's one

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of those symbols. Unless you get into this sort of material,

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you don't realize how much is encoded within it and

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how sort of almost universal it is as well, right,

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and so there's a lot going on there. And then

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also to just like grain symbolism, wheat symbolism, symbolism related

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to it, to bread and whatnot. It goes on and

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on and on and on. But yeah, the mill was

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something that I really really I'm still fond of it,

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but it was something I was really looking into a

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couple of years ago, and.

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Speaker 3: Far as, like with the zodiacs, I want you to

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just kind of walk us through some of them, you know,

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or some of the ones that stand out to you

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that you found fascinating. But selfishly, I do want to

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talk a little bit about Capricorn because that that was

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my sign. Oh, I know that there's all kinds of

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like dark symbology with that far as you know, the Lucifer,

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the hybrid half goat man and swimming in the abyss

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and things like that, So I definitely wanted to probe

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a little bit on that with you.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, I'm happy to do that. Capricorn is my

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wife's son sign and I'm a cancer and they're on

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opposite ends of the ecliptic, and so we kind of

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bonded over Saturn and Capricorn with her, and then she's

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kind of you know, she's interested in the Cansarean side

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of things, and so there's a nice polarity or axis

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that we have at least with that. But yeah, you know,

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one of the signs that comes to mind right now,

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because this is the season that we're in under the

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tropical schedule, is Gemini, and so we're in Gemini season,

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and I think it's really interesting that there is so

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much going on on the world stage that has to

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do with conflict, aggression, civil war breakups, potential world war

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and things like that because the Gemini Twins, you know,

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the symbolism behind it is that there's always one positive

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twin and one sort of negative twin, or one twin

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that's more light and the other one that's more dark.

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oftentimes these twins are set to come from a central location,

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and so sometimes they're said to be born from a

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cause macgg basically, And to me, the way I look

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at this is that they're really saying that they come

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from the one, or that they come from a monad

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or symbolically a seed or something like that. But even

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within the one or within the seed or the egg,

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there's polarity, right, There's a positive vent and a negative ent,

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almost like a magnet or something like that. And so

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this positive and negative comes from a central place. So

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in a way, we're kind of talking about non duality

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to duality, and this idea of these twins getting along

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and creating things is kind of a common sort of

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theme that I've picked up on over time. And so

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as an example, in Rome, you have the hero twins

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Romulus and Remus. Romulus was the first king of Rome

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and is actually where we get Rome from, and together

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they built the first wall in Rome. And I think

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it's fascinating because they had two different ways of building

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this wall. It's been said mythically Romulus would use brute

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strength and then Remis would actually play music and levitate

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the brick into place, or levitate the stone into place. Right.

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twin myths actually are talking about the difference between an

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agrarian society versus a nomadic society. And the agrarian society,

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the sedentary society has a completely different lifestyle than the nomads, right,

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and they even have two different ways of looking at art.

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And so what I've picked up is that nomadic cultures

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actually prefer art that unfolds over time, so this is

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say poetry, this would be music and things like that,

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versus agrarian society prefers art that unfolds over space. And

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it's been referred to as the plastic arts, and so

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they excel in visual arts, right, iconography, graphic visual things, paintings,

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architecture would be another huge sort of thing, right, And

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so this is actually echoed. I'd love to hear your

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opinion about this, but this is echoed in the story

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of canaan Abel as well. And so I was thinking

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and Jacob and Esau, Yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: They're both complete opposites, polar opposites.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So my understanding is humanity, all

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of humanity at one point was nomadic, and so this

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is very much embedded in our roots. It's very primordial.

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And so the dynamic is that it's the agrarian that

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actually prevents the nomad from being able to migrate and

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to travel, because if you set up shop and you

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start establishing towns and cities and empires, that means that

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the nomad is going to be prevented from traveling further, right,

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because you're actually putting up borders. This is really interesting

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because with the story of Romulus and Remus, they build

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this wall together. And what's been said is that Romulus

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kills Remus and the sort of act that got him

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killed was jumping over the wall. So the nomadic twin

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jumped over the wall, meaning he's crossing a border. And

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so Romulus killed him, right, and so Cain kills Abel.

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And if I'm not mistaken, Kane established the first town,

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is that right, the first town or first city or

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something along those lines.

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Speaker 3: Once he killed his brother and he was exiled, Yeah,

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he instead of being a nomad and you know, wandering,

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he set up towns and cities. And another correlation with

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Jacob and Esau was they distinctively set up the differences,

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like you had said, because as you were saying that,

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that was kind of going off in my head. I

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recently wrote a book called The Epic of Esau and

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talked about these brothers. But they painted him as a

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wild man, you know, a sasquatch kind of. They said

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it was. He was covered in harry from head to toe,

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like a Harry cloak, and he was a mighty hunter

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of the field. He was a man's man, and some

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of the Jewish legends has him killing Nimrod, battling to

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the death and killing Nimrod. But then they paint Jacob

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as this I hate to say this, but I mean

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it's kind of how they painted him, kind of like

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a sissy boy. And they said that he was a

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man of the tent, and he was, you know, a

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man that dweiled in tents and studied and read books

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and done these kind of things. So it's kind of

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like you were saying the aguarrian or am I saying that, right? Yeah, agrarian.

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They painted him kind of like that he was a

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knowledge and knowledgeable man and wanted to study.

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Speaker 2: And wow, yeah that's really really interesting. Yeah, So to me,

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it's it's fascinating that this is the case. So what

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I've read is that this difference between the agrarians or

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the sedentary peoples and the nomads is essentially encoded in

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most or all hero twin myths, and so when you

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have the twins, this is sort of the difference, right,

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And it's interesting as well. What I've read is that

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there was a couple of examples that I've come across

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where Gemini season was referred to as the brick Mold.

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Apparently this is what the Babylonians referred to for Gemini season.

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So they had twins that they saw up in the heavens.

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They're called the Great Twins. They're actually massive, they're giants,

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and they're holding battle axes as well, so there's always

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this sort of warring kind of dynamic with the twins.

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And this relates to me the symbolism of even just

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the number two. And so when I first started out

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in my symbolic journey, I thought the number two meant

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sort of togetherness. I thought with the twin symbolism, I

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thought it was more sober brotherhood sort of thing, right,

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a brotherly sort of thing. And what I later learned

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is that it's actually the first number of aggression. It's

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the first number of conflict. You know. So if you

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have the one, the monad, the supreme unifying presence, or

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what have you, and it is split into two, almost

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like cell division or something, now you even have two

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things to even war against each other. So some people

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have said that the age of Gemini was basically marked

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with war, and this is one of the signature sort

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of things. And so a lot of these hero twin stories,

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they do really well for a while, and sometimes they

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accomplish great things together, but sort of tensions a kind

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of flare up, and things come to a head and

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then one twin kills the other twin. But what I

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was going to say regarding this brick dynamic is that.

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So Gemini season to the ancient Babylonians was referred to

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as the brick mold, according to one of my resources,

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and this was due to the fact that during Gemini

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season is when they would resume construction projects using these bricks,

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and this is when they would start baking bricks out

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in the open sun. And apparently the ancient Peruvians had

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a similar sort of idea with Gemini season, and so

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they referred to this time as a pile of bricks, right.

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And so this is fascinating because this brings us right

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back to Romulus and remis building that first wall. You know,

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bricks have to do with more of a sedentary lifestyle, right,

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building buildings and establishing something.

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Speaker 2: Guys, No, Matt's have no use to the tower babble.

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There bricks exactly exactly right. And so so this is

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interesting as well because in the Tarot, the sun card

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classic versions of the tarot, you'll see twin brothers in

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front of a brick wall, right, So I think it's

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actually encoding a lot of this symbolism. And I just

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recently recorded I haven't released it yet, but I just

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recently recorded a little video called Brick by Brick George

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Floyd and the Gemini Ritual. And when the George Floyd

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situation was unfolding, I was blown away at how much

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symbolism related to twin symbolism. It happened during Gemini season

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and bricks played a part. I don't know if you remember,

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but pallettes of bricks started showing up all over the place. Yep.

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He was even part of a crew called the Brick Boys,

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and the housing project he grew up in was called

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the Bricks as well. His father was a freemason, free masonry. Masonry,

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stonework and bricks and things like that like brick and

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stone carry symbolic weight in the lodge system, right, And

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they even referred to each other as brothers. And at

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every lodge you're going to see twin towers twin pillars. Right.

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Going back to Gemini symbolism, the glypher Gemini are the

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two vertical pillars right there, and so there's a lot

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of symbolism going on there. And then I've heard too

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that Freemasons consider themselves to be the descendants or lineage

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of Cain, if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if

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that's an across the board sort of thing, but I

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have heard that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you got the whole the Theosophist movement, you know,

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Madame Levotsky and Alice Bailey and all those Theosophists, they

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talk about the Dragon Court, the serpent Seed, and now

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I'll draw their lineage back, you know, to Caine and

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how he was the first one to civilize Earth and

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they were the ones with the claimed with the rights

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to lead the world.

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Speaker 2: And you got the.

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Speaker 3: Whole Mari v Gens and all that stuff woven into

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that thing. So yeah, that whole dragon Court stuff weaves

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all through freemasonry and royals, and that's a deep.

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Speaker 2: Whale, definitely, definitely. So that's what's been on my mind lately,

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is Gemini symbolism. And even just real quick with the

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George Floyd thing. There was a famous NBA player named

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Stephen Jackson at the time, and he kept on referring

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to George Floyd as his twin. He said this multiple

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times out in the media, and so there's just layers

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upon layers upon layers. So I'm not making a claim

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on it being orchestrated or completely organic either. I'm just

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kind of pointing out the patterns. And that's one of

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the things that I'll say that this study has really

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given me. There's been times where I'm just paying attention

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to things around me, and so many time times there's

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an overlay with what sign we're in and what's happening

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on the world stage. And I would say right now

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is definitely one of those times again with the aggression

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sort of thing. Adding to that as well, Gemini generally

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corresponds to the arms, So every part on the human

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body has a relationship with one of the signs. Gemini

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corresponds with the arms, and so this kind of speaks

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to the left hand path versus the right hand path. Right,

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this idea of aggression of two things sort of butting heads.

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And this is interesting as well because we have words

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like army right or to be armed, or the right

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to bear arms, and so to me, that's kind of

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a curious sort of thing. The fact that there is

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this overlay with even just the word arm and these

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different things the armed forces and whatnot. And I think

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it's interesting too, it's the Second Amendment, number two, Roman

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numeral two being the Gemini glyph that gives us the

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right to bear arms two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wild. I never thought about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's so many things out there. I think

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one of the things that kind of allows me to

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maybe stick out in a different way than maybe some

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other astrologers or symbologists is having a huge library. I

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have a huge library full of books, so I can

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look up the number two or twins or Gemini in

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dozens and dozens of books. And I have some books where,

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you know, literally just one little sentence can give me

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a whole new perspective on things and send me down

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another rabbit hole. And so having all of these resources

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physically available to me, and some older as well, not

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just newer symbolic dictionaries, because I've realized that there's a

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huge difference between stuff that was produced even just after

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the sixties and pre sixties, you know, and then further

475
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,480
back there's a huge quality of difference and there's a

476
00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:51,240
huge perspective shift as well with newer books and older books,

477
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,839
so I'm able to pick up all these little sort

478
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,079
of gems all over the place.

479
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. And one thing too is I'll tell people that

480
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,880
that that our Christians are listening to my show and

481
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,799
we dive into these subjects and they kind of get

482
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:06,759
bent out of shape, and I'm like, you know, there's

483
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:10,720
a difference between reading the signs of the times and

484
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,559
just you know, putting all the power in these created objects.

485
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,400
You know. That's that's how I look at it. And

486
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,680
I tell them, I'm like, it says in Genesis he

487
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,519
hung the stars and the moon the sun in the

488
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:31,200
firmament for what for times? Signs and seasons and everything

489
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,920
you've talked about today. You talked about, you know, the seasons.

490
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:37,440
If you when you acknowledge, you know what season you're

491
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:39,480
in by the sky, then you can know to be

492
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,079
watchful and looking for these certain you know trends, these

493
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,160
historical trends.

494
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, you know. There is a

495
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,279
real practical side of astrology that I think in modern

496
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,400
times gets overlooked, and that has to do with the

497
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,000
seasonal cycles and and sort of what these farmers as

498
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,279
an example, or these are excuse me, nomads we're doing.

499
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,680
So if you're on a nomadic if you're a nomad

500
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,160
and you do these seasonal migrations, you're out all the time,

501
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,839
so you see, you know how things are changing, and

502
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,480
you're seeing how the animals are migrating and the birds

503
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,039
are migrating and things like that, and so it's really

504
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,039
valuable to understand where you were at in the year.

505
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,519
And then of course, if you're a farmer, you know,

506
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,160
it's really valuable to know the new moon and full

507
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,640
moon and what season you're in. And a lot of

508
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,359
these signs actually encode very practical things that the farmer

509
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,880
is going to be aware of if they sort of

510
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,799
know the language, you know, if they know what they're

511
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,240
sort of looking at what's going on there. And I'll

512
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:46,960
say that one of the things for me that's kind

513
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,319
of frustrating and I accept it though, you know, to

514
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,160
a certain extent, but a lot of people get really

515
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,079
caught up in essentially natal chart astrology and really becoming

516
00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:01,720
obsessive over their chart and their personality and things like that.

517
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,640
And also I would say even becoming obsessive with the

518
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,880
chart of the day or of the week, and people

519
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,799
really really just focusing a lot on what's happening this week,

520
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,359
next week, what the planets are doing, and everything else.

521
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,920
And I think that there's a huge corrupted aspect of that.

522
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,920
And I think that in some ways this is almost

523
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,920
the lowest form of astrology, right, And I think that

524
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,799
there's real symbolic value in understanding sort of the universal

525
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640
quality of the signs. So you'll notice that I don't

526
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:36,200
generally on my channel bring up natal charts or sort

527
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,920
of what's happening to a very specific degree. I kind

528
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,640
of try and be more universal about it and talk

529
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,960
about like the deep sort of lessons or implications or

530
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,119
what have you, or even just present information that maybe

531
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,960
allows you to find those lessons for yourself, right, kind

532
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,359
of just sharing, you know, what I've come across. So

533
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:55,920
I'm more so interested in the deep wisdom that I

534
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,880
think the signs sort of encode, versus like the pop

535
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,000
culture aspect of it, which is what most people are

536
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,759
sort of caught up in.

537
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:07,079
Speaker 3: Mm hm. Now far as like the uh, the procession,

538
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,480
the procession of the equinoxes and the rising sun and

539
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,599
a certain constellation gives you the ages. Uh, what have

540
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:15,640
you found particular?

541
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: Uh?

542
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: With that? Do you find any which I know, like

543
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,599
through Hamlet's Meal, you've read that. It talks about a

544
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,160
lot of the symbology of the stories were laid around

545
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:29,039
Abraham's time. Was the ram. He was about to sacrifice

546
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:30,839
Isaac and there was a ram in the thicket.

547
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

548
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: Then Jesus ushered in, you know, the pisces, the twin fish,

549
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,160
and that's what he and he had a band of fishermen.

550
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,039
So I mean, you do see these correlations.

551
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

552
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,039
Speaker 3: Have you found anything with that that stands out to

553
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:47,680
you or any kind of pattern recognitions like you found

554
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:48,400
with Gemini.

555
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:51,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I'll say the biggest thing that

556
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,799
I've taken away from that is kind of an understanding

557
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:59,759
that generally what tends to happen is that the animal

558
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,799
or the association with the Great Age. As an example,

559
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,359
let's just say the Age of Taurus, which preceded the

560
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,440
Age of Aries, and then after that would be the

561
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,359
Age of Ices. And depending on where you're at right now,

562
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:16,319
some people think we're well into the Age of Aquarius,

563
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:19,240
or we're stepping into or maybe even that it's down

564
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,880
the road. And I kind of let those sorts of

565
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,480
conversations be for other people, you know, I don't know

566
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:28,559
what age we're exactly in. I do have a hunch

567
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,119
about what it could mean and symbolically represent as we're

568
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,759
moving into it, but I don't have a concrete, sort

569
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,599
of like claim on exactly where we're at in the cycle.

570
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,559
To me, it does feel like on a larger level,

571
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,359
it feels as though we're in a darker age personally,

572
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,119
just with how people sort of are, you know, how

573
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,279
happy people are, just seeing how distant and ungrounded. In

574
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,640
my opinion, a lot of people are this kind of

575
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,519
anti intellectual, anti spiritual sort of thing. I think a

576
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,519
lot of people who are interested in spirituality as well.

577
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:01,759
I think that there's a lot of sort of cul

578
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:03,799
de sacs, and I think there's a lot of trappings

579
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,960
out there for people, and people are falling into it

580
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,960
like all over the place, you know. But I think

581
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,920
it's interesting though. What I've picked up is that generally,

582
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,079
let's just say the age of Taurus, that animal the

583
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:21,359
bull or an ox is revered, put on a pedestal, worshiped,

584
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,480
and then once that age has come and gone, then

585
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,279
sort of there's an inversion that kind of takes place, right,

586
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,000
so then the bull becomes a sacrificial animal. The bull

587
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:34,839
becomes something that they sacrifice. So you'll see this in

588
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,920
a bunch of different ways. You know, there's always this

589
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:43,079
kind of like very positive association with this animal or creature,

590
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:45,880
and then again it kind of just gets corrupted. And

591
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,880
so the same thing with aries as well, you know,

592
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,160
kind of put on this pedestal and revered, but then

593
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160
also once that age has kind of come and gone,

594
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:58,480
then it becomes a sacrificial creature. So that's one of

595
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,240
the sort of larger patterns that I've picked up, but

596
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,680
there are i mean, there's a lot of stuff going

597
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,920
on with also the great age also encoding symbolism that

598
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,480
refers to the opposing sign on the ecliptic, so sort

599
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,000
of the polarity sign. And so that's one of the

600
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,160
things I'll say for people that if they want to

601
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,599
understand astrology, one really excellent thing to keep in mind

602
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,640
is that there is a connection with the polarity of

603
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,599
the opposing sign. So the age of Taurus also has

604
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,599
a relationship with Scorpio, which is on the opposite end

605
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:36,519
of the ecliptic right or Capricorn has a relationship with

606
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:41,000
cancer as well. So yeah, so in some ways. There

607
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:45,119
are twelve signs, and there's a debate with the thirteenth

608
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:49,000
sign of Fucus, which I think is interesting. But there's

609
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,039
twelve signs, but you can almost look at it as

610
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,480
six pairings as well, so each sign kind of unlocks

611
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,279
information about the opposing sign as well.

612
00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing that kind of just went off in

613
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,720
my head and saying that as far as like the

614
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:06,200
like the Bible, uh, it calls you know, the adversary,

615
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:10,480
It compares him to bull imagery a lot. Yeah, right,

616
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:14,280
you know that they uh, and he's a called bail

617
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,199
Uh that's Molac and the child sacrifice and all that

618
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,480
kind of stuff. But then in Jesus' age, you know,

619
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,519
it's comparing him to uh, you know the keys, the

620
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:26,320
holder of the keys of death and it says, you

621
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,920
know death, where is thy sting? Talk about you know scorpio.

622
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,360
There you go, the polar opposite of the bull. And

623
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,320
even the Indians they had I had doctor Greg Little

624
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,079
on the show and we talked about what did he

625
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:47,559
call that pathway of souls and that the Native Americans

626
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,199
would gather at a certain time of year at these

627
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,320
mounds and bring their dead there and cremate them and

628
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,119
do this ceremony and send the smoke up, you know,

629
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,400
into the gates of heaven. But he said had to

630
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,159
be when Scorpius was not in the northern hemisphere, because

631
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:08,519
they said that they in their belief system, was that

632
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,199
if the smoke of the spirit was going up towards

633
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,039
the Milky Way, that Scorpius his tail would sting and

634
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,760
grab them and keep them from going to heaven.

635
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: Oh.

636
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 3: Interesting, that's pretty cool.

637
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: No, definitely, I mean this axis between Taurus and Scorpio. Honestly,

638
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,199
I would say of all six pairings, it's one of

639
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,360
the most powerful pairings in the whole entire zodiac. It's

640
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,559
really deep, and there's actually a lot of good reasons

641
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,800
for this, And so if you don't mind, I'd actually

642
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,559
love to explain why there's so much kind of going

643
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:47,360
on there with that axis. So you have a few

644
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,760
things going on. So with Taurus you have a large

645
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,800
they're called royal stars. You have a large royal star

646
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:57,280
in Taurus which is called El de Baron or Eldebaran,

647
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,079
and it's actually the eye of the bowl. This star

648
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:03,519
has actually been compared to Mars. If you look at

649
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:05,480
it with your eye, with your naked eye, you'll see

650
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,400
that it's massive and it's red. So the red planet

651
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,280
correspondence kind of makes sense with that, and kind of

652
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,719
what I was saying with this inversion of the animals

653
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,559
that also happened with Aldeboron that if you look into

654
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:18,840
it now, a lot of things you're going to see

655
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,360
is that it's the gateway to Hell. That's one sort

656
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,199
of thing that's been kind of put onto it. But

657
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,280
it used to be highly revered and highly respected a

658
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,119
long long time ago, and so it is called the

659
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,880
eye of Buddha as an example, or the eye of Enlightenment.

660
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,440
And so this is actually where we've got a lot

661
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,360
of symbolism related to the bull's eye. My understanding is

662
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,199
it comes from this star, this particular star, and so

663
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,039
there's a royal star also in Scorpio, and so all

664
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,559
of the fixed signs, like the four living creatures that

665
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:50,920
you brought up right, they all have a royal star

666
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,119
associated with them. And so Scorpio has Antas, which is

667
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:58,039
the heart of the Scorpion, and so on opposing ends

668
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,800
of the ecliptic you have these two massive royal stars.

669
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,760
And then also in Taurus you have an asterism called

670
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,880
the Pleiades, right, which would be referred to as like

671
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,320
the Seven Sisters, And so a lot of symbolism has

672
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,760
been attached to the Pliades. And I'm sure you've heard

673
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,199
this before, but there's a lot of people who claim

674
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:23,760
ancestry from the Pleiades or that arge. Yeah exactly, right, yeah, yeah, exactly,

675
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,039
And so you have all of that going on in Taurus,

676
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,760
and bull symbolism just in general is as old as

677
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,239
the Hills. It's really fascinating. There's so much going on.

678
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,039
That was one of my first symbolic loves actually was

679
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:42,599
Taurus bull ox symbolism and how nearly universal it is,

680
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,639
or if it's not exactly a bull, they're sort of

681
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:50,760
an equivalent that kind of overlaps with it, right, depending

682
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,000
on the region, depending on where you're at in the world.

683
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,320
And then when you're dealing with Scorpio, Scorpio is really

684
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,159
close to the Milky Way galaxy, and so when you're

685
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,440
looking towards Scorpio, you're looking at the Milky Way galaxy

686
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,559
and sort of the river right of the Milky Way

687
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,920
it intersects with it like perfectly. And then you're also

688
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,199
looking at what's been referred to as the gate of Heaven.

689
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:16,239
And so the reason my understanding on what people are

690
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,119
referring to with that is that this is where people

691
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,119
consider to be the galactic center, and so when you're

692
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,280
looking towards Scorpio, you're looking towards the galactic center, and

693
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,480
so that's why it's referred to as the gateway to Heaven.

694
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,079
And when you're looking towards Taurus, you're looking at the

695
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:35,360
galactic anti center, which means you're looking away from the

696
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,400
center of the galaxy, which is why it's been attached

697
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,480
with the gateway to Hell. Also opposite yep, exactly. Also,

698
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,559
when you're looking towards Scorpio, there is an interesting configuration

699
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,199
that's happening between Scorpio Sagittarius. And then also this supposed

700
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,840
and this is again a matter of debate, and some

701
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,719
people get very heated with this conversation. It's right next

702
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,000
to Ofucus, which would be considered the thirteenth sign if

703
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:09,280
there was a thirteenth sign, and Ofucus is very very mysterious,

704
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,800
but it's very interesting and it's very potent. There's so

705
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,800
much sort of going on there with Ofucus, and there's

706
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,920
sort of a transcendental quality. In my opinion that Ofucus

707
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,599
has a sort of a distinct identity with that other

708
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:27,880
signs don't. But then also scorpio is related to death.

709
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,519
You know, Sex and death are the two main things

710
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:33,800
that scorpio relates to. And even it's the ruler of

711
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,000
the death card in the tarot, the thirteenth card of

712
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,719
the major arcana. So there's the number thirteen kind of

713
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,719
coming around again. But my understanding sort of all of

714
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,920
my research has kind of led me to some of

715
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,679
these conclusions, and it's that primordial man was more so

716
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,480
interested in the fixed stars, less so the wandering stars,

717
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,199
which would be the planets, and less so on the sun. Actually,

718
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,079
so I see it that there is a major shift,

719
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,599
and a number of authors have written about this, but

720
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:07,400
there is a major shift that can best be described

721
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,119
as a polar to solar shift, right, and this is

722
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:17,320
something that you'll find in the deeper levels of freemasonry

723
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,440
as well. So in my opinion, when you see the

724
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,280
three pillars, if you see two pillars, there's an implied

725
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,639
third pillar. That central pillar is transcendental and pre dates

726
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,960
or precedes the other two pillars. This is no different

727
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,159
than the kabalistic treal life. Generally, what's highlighted are the

728
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,719
two side pillars bo As and Jackquin, and then you

729
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,320
have this central pillar. So in my opinion, symbolically, one

730
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,400
pillar is generally associated with the moon, which would be

731
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:50,119
a lunar symbolism. One pillar is associated with the Sun,

732
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,079
which is solar symbolism. But the transcendental pillar, the central pillar,

733
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:59,360
relates to polar symbolism. So you can say that there

734
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,800
is this shift from polar to solar over time, and

735
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,440
you could say that maybe perhaps there is an intermediary

736
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,480
age in a way that was more lunar based, so

737
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,679
polar lunar to solar. So this is one of the

738
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,519
things I try and highlight is that there's a third

739
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,960
quality here. A lot of times people just refer to

740
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,719
solar lunar, but there's actually a third quality which precedes

741
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,360
these two other qualities, which is polar basically. And so

742
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,280
primordial man was interested in the northern sky and the

743
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,400
fixed stars. So the central hub of the wheel of

744
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,159
the fixed star system would be the Polestar, and so

745
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,719
they were really looking at Ursa major and Ursa minor

746
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,000
going counterclockwise around the Polestar. And this was their skyclock.

747
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:48,000
Their skyclock was actually Ursa Major going around the Polestar basically,

748
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,840
and so they put a lot of symbolism into Ursa Major,

749
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,519
which is the Big Dipper, and with the Polestar itself.

750
00:41:56,199 --> 00:42:00,400
And I have several resources where the claim basically that

751
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,480
there were multiple cultures. And one example that I have

752
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:06,559
that I like to talk about is with the ancient

753
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:10,639
Chinese people. That the ancient Chinese people during this early

754
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:16,280
timeframe saw eight constellations in the northern sky, and they

755
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,000
had one constellation per trigram. So this is a reference

756
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,039
to their eaching system, so the trigram. Basically they combined

757
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:29,280
these different trigrams to create what's called hexagrams, and so

758
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,960
there's sixty four hexagrams, there's eight trigrams, and so they

759
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,920
had eight constellations around the pole star. And at least

760
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,519
one resource. This book is called Galactic Alignment by this

761
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:43,320
guy named John Major Jenkins, and he says this was

762
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,000
around five thousand years ago when they transitioned to being

763
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,480
more solar. So there's a point in time where people

764
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:52,519
started focusing more so on the Sun. And I have

765
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,840
hunches on why that's the case, but I think that

766
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,119
this was a real sort of phenomenon or a real

767
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:02,639
sort of arc or trajectory. And when they shifted towards

768
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:06,000
a solar orientation, because this is really what it's all about.

769
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,639
It's all about orientation. Where's your point of pivot basically,

770
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,159
and so when they shifted to a polar orientation, what's

771
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:14,440
the center pretty much is another way of putting it.

772
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:18,039
They basically started focusing on the path of the sun,

773
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:21,639
and they brought the eight constellations from the northern sky

774
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:25,960
and transformed or transferred them excuse me, to the path

775
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,239
of the sun. And then they added four more constellations,

776
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,360
giving them twelve constellations basically. And so my understanding is

777
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:38,159
when this happened, a lot of cultures took a lot

778
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:41,360
of the symbolism that was associated with ursa major, which

779
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,400
has seven stars, and transferred it to something along the

780
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,400
path of the sun because they became more solar oriented,

781
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,559
and a lot of cultures put that symbolism onto the pliates.

782
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:57,039
And so that is to say that primordial people they

783
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,920
had a vertical axis that they considered to be the

784
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,880
bridge between heaven and Earth essentially, and then with solar

785
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,320
worship coming into play, they turned to a more horizontal

786
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,639
orientation with the path of the sun. But they needed

787
00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:15,199
to find a new sort of life death gateway axis,

788
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,159
and the best sort of axis that they found, in

789
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:23,159
my opinion, was from Taurus to Scorpio. So Taurus to

790
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:26,760
Scorpio the symbolism associated with it, in my opinion, has

791
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,719
an origin story. And I would say that this is

792
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,119
what I've come across with the whole entire zodiac, which

793
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:34,400
I really haven't talked about in my short videos yet,

794
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,639
but I have talked about it in my longer form content,

795
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,119
that there's an origin story to the zodiac, and the

796
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:42,760
origin story is in the northern sky, and at some

797
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,039
point the symbolism shifted to the path of the sun,

798
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,000
which is the ecliptic. So that's why I think the

799
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,280
Taurus Scorpio axis is so revered and so important, is

800
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,239
because it retains a lot of core symbolism from an

801
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:56,880
earlier era.

802
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, the original meaning and stuff. That's what I tell

803
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,480
people all the time was I grew up in church

804
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,320
most of my life and read these stories, had them

805
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,559
preach to me and talk to me, and I just

806
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,880
took what they said, you know, as gold. Once I

807
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,920
actually started reading into it myself and started going back

808
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,000
to the Hebrew, you know, and the Greek, the original languages. Man,

809
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,400
there's so much stuff, and so so much stuff that

810
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,880
we missed, and so much stuff that was just misconstrued,

811
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,840
and it got so far off kilter that, Yeah, you

812
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,440
can take your modern viewpoint and put it on anything

813
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:36,119
and get good moral teachings and lessons from it, but

814
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,719
it's not what the original writers meant for you. It

815
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,559
was not the original message that you were intended to receive.

816
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,239
So if you go back to the original context and

817
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,599
see how they thought, what they believed, and what these

818
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,360
words originally meaned in their context and how they were used,

819
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,760
you're going to come out with a whole different meaning.

820
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,960
And we can debate all day long if it's right, wrong,

821
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:02,400
or indifferent, But if you're reading something from someone, you

822
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,480
want to get the message that they are trying to

823
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,679
give you, not the message you're trying to twist it into.

824
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,599
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmm, yeah, exactly right. And so I think

825
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:12,400
that's one of the bigger things that I've noticed over

826
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,960
the last handful of years is just how corrupted and

827
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,840
distorted the modern perspective is on so many different things,

828
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,000
and so I do spend a lot of my time

829
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:28,440
these days trying to learn an older perspective and sort

830
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,920
of older lessons, and you know, really I've been very

831
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,599
much interested in just the idea of tradition, you know,

832
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,719
and preserving a tradition and the value of a tradition,

833
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,239
and of passing things down to people versus always being

834
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,559
concerned with the new thing and sort of progress, you

835
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,440
know in air quotes, if you're just listening to this

836
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,039
and so, to me, there's a lot of value there

837
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:55,800
and I appreciate it also as well. The older and

838
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,960
older I get, you know, sort of these wisdom keepers.

839
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:02,119
And what I've learned actually kind of related to that

840
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,360
is a lot of these wild man figures are kind

841
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,480
of wisdom keepers from a primordial era, and that that's

842
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,199
sort of the symbolism that's attached to them, is that

843
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,440
what I've noticed is when you're referring to like the

844
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,239
green man or the wild man, and they live out

845
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,480
in the wilderness and they maybe are more nomadic and

846
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:29,719
things like that, they have an understanding of certain lessons

847
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,760
and truths that modern people don't have. And so it's

848
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,079
a lot of times those people that come to the

849
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,920
village or come to the city, which they're reluctant to do.

850
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:41,239
And nomadic peoples don't really care to step foot in

851
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,239
the city, you know, it makes them feel out of place.

852
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,719
It's like fish out of water or something. But a

853
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,039
lot of times these figures will bring wisdom from an

854
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,679
earlier era and give that to modern peoples. And a

855
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:53,960
lot of times I don't know if this is the

856
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,760
same with Esau. Was he ever connected with holding like

857
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,400
a like a club or like a stick or a

858
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,400
staff or any thing that did he ever carry anything

859
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,639
like a like a pole or anything, or not so much?

860
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: It didn't come right out like say in the biblical

861
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,159
text it says that It just says that he was

862
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,599
a mighty hunter of the field, and that he was

863
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:16,119
so mighty that even Nimrod had built up jealousy and

864
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,519
envy against him, and they kind of had like a

865
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:21,800
high lander clash. There can only be one mighty hunter

866
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,000
kind of deal, uh. But the extra biblical texts talk

867
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,920
about him using bows. Oh there you go, and then

868
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,559
he ends up part of that trading of the birth

869
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:35,400
right according to like the Book of I think his jashure.

870
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,800
It's an extra biblical book, but it said that in

871
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,800
that trading of the birth right, he ended up getting

872
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:48,320
like a specially a special sword that was endowed with

873
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,679
the power of with the name of Yahweh in it

874
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,159
or something like that. It was supposedly like Mathuselis's sword

875
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,079
that he ends up getting that trading of his birth right.

876
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:01,159
Speaker 2: Interesting. I mean, this we've in pretty nicely with what

877
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,360
I was kind of trying to get at. But a

878
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,320
lot of these figures that kind of represent this, I

879
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,320
see a lot of these figures as being very mercurial. Personally,

880
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:12,840
I put a lot of stock into the planet Mercury,

881
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,519
but then also a lot of deities that are associated

882
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:21,360
with Mercury. And oftentimes it's the mercurial figure that does

883
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:25,559
give information to the people or will oftentimes introduce a

884
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,679
language or an alphabet or something like that right to

885
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,559
the people. And in my opinion, you know, Mercury is

886
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:35,719
a psychopomp so he's a guide of souls. So he

887
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,480
goes between realms, and they go between realms, in my opinion,

888
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,800
through this axis that connects all that is above with

889
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,320
all that is below. That's kind of the symbolism behind it.

890
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,079
So just briefly, My sort of cosmology or metaphysics is

891
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,400
basically that there are realms above and below and they're

892
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,559
connected through their center. The center is of key importance,

893
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:01,960
and so in some ways it's not unlike our chakra system,

894
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:06,199
even if it's just symbolically a system, right, And so

895
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,519
let's just say you do have seven chakras. Chakra means

896
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,480
disk or wheel, and so it's the center though, that

897
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,280
connects all of them with your spine, and so to me,

898
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,719
getting to your center is of supreme importance. You know,

899
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,880
we're kind of all like our own wheel. The external

900
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,519
part of the wheel symbolically is considered to be the

901
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,760
least balanced part of the wheel. It's the middle of

902
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,840
the wheel that's the most balanced part of the wheel,

903
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,679
and it's considered to be the transcendental aspect of the wheel.

904
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,840
And so you'll see Buddha meditating in the middle of

905
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,239
a wheel sometimes, or he gained enlightenment at a world tree,

906
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,039
right at a tree. And the tree is the perfect

907
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:47,000
sort of overlap with a wheel as well, because you

908
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:49,760
have all these branches and roots, but they're all connected

909
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,400
through the center, through that central trunk like an axle,

910
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,880
Like an axle exactly so it's the axle of the

911
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,239
wheel that is the most transcendental part of the wheel.

912
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,960
And so when you get to the center symbolically, and

913
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,880
I really think you get there by being present, and

914
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,760
there's other things that you have to do, but I

915
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,920
think presence is a huge part of it, the eternal

916
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,159
now right, being in that space. And when you get there,

917
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,440
you become what's referred to as the prime mover, the

918
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:23,159
unmoved mover, and you cause the wheel to turn by

919
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,400
being that central axis, basically, this immutable central axis. And

920
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,960
I really think all leaders essentially represent this, that they

921
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,000
want to be the point of pivot for their people.

922
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:35,280
They want to be the point of orientation for their people,

923
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:38,360
they want to give their people direction. That's kind of

924
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,559
what the center represents. And I see it that my

925
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,039
sort of perspective is that all things emanate from the

926
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,800
center and then also return back to that same center.

927
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,440
It's not unlike a torus field or something. And so

928
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,639
when you look at say the dot as an example,

929
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,039
the dot symbolically represents all that is, so the cosmos

930
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:03,079
or universe itself in totality, the oneness of all that is,

931
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,440
but it also represents the point in the middle of

932
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,480
all that is as well that point of pivot in

933
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:11,199
the center. And so this symbol of the center and

934
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,079
the cosmic center or interstellar sort of center or axis

935
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,800
is referred to as the world axis. Right, and so

936
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,480
Hamlet's mill, the middle of the mill, the middle of

937
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:23,760
the wheel, it's referred to as the axis moondi or

938
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,159
the world axis. And this is the idea that the

939
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:29,719
realms above and below are connected, and there is this

940
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,280
symbolic bridge between the above and below, and essentially this

941
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,440
is sort of the foundation for all of our symbolism

942
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,639
in my opinion, in today's world. So something as simple

943
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,519
as a pen that I'm holding up right now, or

944
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:47,559
a tree or a tower, the tower babel right the

945
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:50,519
mountain or a stone, it all goes back to world

946
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,119
axis symbolism. I'm pretty passionate about that because it unlocks

947
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:57,480
a whole nother layer of symbolism in my opinion. And

948
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:00,519
even the sword itself is a world axis symbol been said,

949
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:04,400
and so the poll or the staff as well. This

950
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:08,000
is why a lot of figures that are mercurial or

951
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:11,119
have some sort of authority are heavily connected to these

952
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:14,639
types of objects, whether it's a wand you know, or

953
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,599
something along these lines. Right, the herbit holds a staff,

954
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,519
the magician, and the magician card holds a wand up

955
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:24,159
to the heavens. The fool he's always carrying a stick

956
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:27,400
on his shoulder. Right. This is the classic symbol of

957
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:31,079
the shepherd as well, is having a shepherd's crook or

958
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:34,039
having a staff or a pole. Right. So it's the

959
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:38,639
sort of main object associated with the traveler or the messenger.

960
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:42,559
But on one hand, it also represents the way in which

961
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:45,599
you travel, you know, between realms, just like mercury or

962
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:46,199
something like that.

963
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty wild man. See I'm like a I

964
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,199
tell people all the time, I'm a generalist. I know

965
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,599
a little bit about a lot of different topics.

966
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

967
00:53:57,639 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: So that's why I love talking with people like you,

968
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,039
because you can give me a whole new layer of

969
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,440
understanding on some of this stuff. I love these conversations.

970
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:05,320
I appreciate it.

971
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, of course, absolutely.

972
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,559
Speaker 3: Well what else she got? We got a little bit

973
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:13,639
more time with you. I want to try to milk

974
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:15,440
as much from you as I can while I got you.

975
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:19,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, definitely. Well, you know you brought up

976
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:23,119
Capricorn earlier, and so I've mentioned it a couple of times,

977
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:28,719
but there's so much to talk about with that. So Capricorn, right,

978
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,000
I mean, it's really interesting. So Capricorn is the first

979
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,760
sign of winter, right. And there's a whole debate as

980
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,639
well about when certain signs actually begin. There's lots of

981
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:46,320
schools of thought about the proper system. There's different schools

982
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,559
of thought from all over the world regarding all of

983
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:52,079
this stuff. But for all intents and purposes, let's just

984
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:56,440
say Capricorn is the true beginning of winter, right. Well,

985
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:58,400
I mean there's a lot to be said about that.

986
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:03,360
This is also symbolically like the beginning of the return

987
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,360
of the sun, right, And so there's actually kind of

988
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:12,719
a joyous aspect to Capricorn season and the winter solstice

989
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,039
and that the sun is actually returning. You're not really

990
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,199
going to see it quite yet, but it's actually starting

991
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,320
to return, right, So the shortest day of the year

992
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,039
being right there at the winter solstice. Right. So it's

993
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:29,320
associated with Saturn as well. A lot of people have

994
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,079
all sorts of things to say about Saturn. I did

995
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:36,119
a presentation. I did two presentations actually called the Lost

996
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,639
Law of Saturn and in my opinion, there's something to

997
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:44,599
be said about a fall from grace with Saturn, and

998
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:48,960
that Saturn was once viewed as being more positive and

999
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:50,840
was once viewed I think there was more of a

1000
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,800
feminine correspondence with Saturn as well. So Saturn associates with

1001
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,280
Chronos or even I would say the Crone as well,

1002
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,800
is related. Is part of the conversation, and most people

1003
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,280
view Saturn today as being of course, and it makes sense.

1004
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:14,000
I understand a slow lumbering planet cold related to lead, right,

1005
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,719
all the planets relate to a different metal. And you know,

1006
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,599
under the traditional system, which is what I generally follow,

1007
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:24,199
a seven sign or seven planet system, you know, it

1008
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,519
is the end of the line. It's the slowest planet, right.

1009
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:28,800
It takes like twenty seven or twenty eight years for

1010
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,960
it to make one sort of complete cycle. There's all

1011
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,639
this lore though, however, that suggests that Saturn maybe was

1012
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,239
the first Sun or even the first pole star or

1013
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,320
something like that. And I think this is sort of

1014
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,760
the fall from grace that I'm referring to, is that

1015
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,000
it once had more of a prominent central position, and

1016
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,920
it seems as though from what I gather that it

1017
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,000
kind of got moved out perhaps, right, It's almost in

1018
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,679
a way what I've said before, is it kind of

1019
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,000
reminds me. Reminds me of like a family and the

1020
00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:00,519
first born son, the first fruit, growing up and getting

1021
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:03,239
older and going through the changes and becoming an old

1022
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,400
man and everything else, and moving on and going through

1023
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,519
that whole trajectory before any of the other children. Right,

1024
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,079
I kind of see that with Saturn symbolically a.

1025
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 3: Lot of like Christian contexts. You know that they signed

1026
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,920
Lucifer and Satan, you know, to Saturn, right right now,

1027
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,360
you got that that verse where it talks about you know,

1028
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,519
how thal have fillen a Lucifer, you know exactly it's

1029
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:28,800
to day star. But of course that that you know,

1030
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:32,119
there's a lot of back and forth with that, but

1031
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:34,639
the Lucifer is not even the real name. That was

1032
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:38,159
a mistranslation from the Latin Vulgate. It was a lot

1033
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:40,360
of people think they were referring to the planet Venus

1034
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,920
and that scenario. Right, But as he was telling that

1035
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,480
story that that popped in my head.

1036
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:48,599
Speaker 2: Oh exactly, No, No, there's a complete overlap there for sure. Right.

1037
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:50,440
So now when people think of Saturn, they think of

1038
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,559
an old man white beard, father time. Uh, there's obviously

1039
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:57,599
the whole dynamic with Saturn eating its children. That's a

1040
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:01,719
that's a real deal sort of, it's a real correspondence,

1041
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:04,239
and I kind of see this as it being related

1042
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,400
to the idea that especially I see it in today's world.

1043
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,199
I don't know if it was always like this, I'm

1044
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:13,079
inclined to think it wasn't, but the older generation kind

1045
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,800
of feeding off of the younger generation in many ways.

1046
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,000
And when you look at the older generation and the

1047
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:22,039
opportunities that they had, even just financially and career wise,

1048
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:25,280
versus the younger generation, it's very, very different. And there's

1049
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:31,360
even all chemical texts where Saturn is taking his scythe

1050
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:35,039
and chopping off the legs of Mercury, Mercury having this

1051
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,920
youthful sort of quality, you know, related to travel and

1052
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:45,440
things like that, and so Saturn basically turning Mercury into

1053
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,599
being an immobile sort of figure. Right. So to me,

1054
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,360
that's kind of an overlay Saturn eating its children, kind

1055
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,159
of preying on the youth, relying on the youth sort

1056
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:56,440
of thing I think is part of the relationship here.

1057
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,840
But what I want to mention with Capricorn is that

1058
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,679
there is so much northern symbolism that associates with it,

1059
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:10,840
it's completely mind blowing. As an example, this is when

1060
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,559
we have Christmas right during Capricorn season, and so where

1061
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:18,079
does Santa come from? Famously from the North pole, right,

1062
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,920
And I would say that Santa actually is the pre imminent,

1063
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,239
main sort of pop culture northern deity in my opinion.

1064
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:31,000
And a friend first told me this, and he's much

1065
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:34,119
older than myself. But when I started getting into all

1066
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:37,119
of this stuff, I kept on mentioning the importance of

1067
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:39,320
the North and how there is a real sort of

1068
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,519
correspondence there that people should be aware of. In fact,

1069
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:44,519
I don't know if you've heard this before, but I

1070
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:46,920
think there's something to be said about the Garden of

1071
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,280
Eden existing in the North, in the northern part of Earth,

1072
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,960
which is sort of a symbolic center basically of Earth,

1073
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,440
and that there is a migration away from the North

1074
00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:01,239
and so and that paradise or a Golden Age or

1075
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,000
utopian sort of society or civilization potentially existed in the

1076
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:10,840
northern portion of Earth. And there's even some claims, I know,

1077
01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:12,920
you can get far out and stuff, there's claims that

1078
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,159
it still exists as an example, or that it's a

1079
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:19,320
mythical sort of place, right, sort of this some people

1080
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,880
have referred to this as like a hyperspace kingdom. But

1081
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,280
there's all of these different claims about mythical cities and

1082
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,800
kingdoms and things like that, and I see it that

1083
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,519
there's this kind of deep esoteric northern correspondence there. So

1084
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:34,599
Santa comes from the north, and obviously he gives children

1085
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,440
these gifts. It's interesting because Ursa Major has been viewed

1086
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:45,039
as a constellation representing reindeer, seven reindeer actually, and so

1087
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,960
it's almost kind of like the seven reindeer of Versu Major.

1088
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:52,480
And then Santa symbolically could be the North star. Also

1089
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,079
just the tradition of Christmas as well. You put a

1090
01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:59,280
tree in your home and you decorate it. It's not

1091
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,920
uncommon to a star on top of the tree. In

1092
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,280
my opinion, this is the world tree, and in my opinion,

1093
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,679
this is the North star. This is the pole star, right.

1094
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:13,519
And so there's also a really fascinating relationship with midnight

1095
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:18,800
holidays and Capricorn and Saturn as well. And so my

1096
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,239
understanding is when you're looking at a clock, twelve o'clock

1097
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,400
is the northern position. Basically just like on a compass, right,

1098
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:30,280
So twelve o'clock midnight is pointing upwards, which all compasses

1099
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,519
as well point north, but north would be at the

1100
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:34,480
top of the compass, the same position where the number

1101
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:38,519
twelve is. And this is when you have midnight mass, right.

1102
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,039
This is also when we have New Year's Eve, right,

1103
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:45,800
And so the holidays that we have that are based

1104
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,800
around midnight, and even too just literally getting gifts from Santa. Right,

1105
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:53,559
there is this midnight sort of night time kind of

1106
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:56,880
dynamic with everything, and so to me that's a really

1107
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,559
fascinating correspondence as well, because we're dealing with father time

1108
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,559
and so literally this is the point in the year

1109
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,199
where time kind of starts over, if you will, or

1110
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,199
that it's the end of a cycle the beginning of

1111
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:12,599
another one. So there's a lot of stuff going on there.

1112
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:17,159
And I think it's really fascinating too that Saturn has

1113
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:22,159
always had this restrictive quality that's been associated with it. Right.

1114
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,199
I'm not sure if that's something you've ever come across,

1115
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,960
but people like to often talk about Saturn being contractive

1116
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,480
in nature, and this is usually brought up in contrast

1117
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:35,360
to Jupiter being more expansive in nature, and so this

1118
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,920
would be more so of masculine in my opinion, like

1119
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,719
a true masculine sort of dynamic, this expansive nature. I

1120
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,480
think the Jupiter correspondence makes sense with that. I also

1121
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,440
think the sun makes sense with that too, like the

1122
01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:50,840
rays of the Sun emanating from the Sun itself. But

1123
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,719
to be more contractive and restrictive is actually more feminine

1124
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:57,880
because it's actually more receptive as well, right, And so

1125
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,880
I'm thinking of the Yoni versus the phallus, and so

1126
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,800
when you contract something enough, and this is why Saturn

1127
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,719
relates to boundaries and walls and sort of partitions and

1128
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,400
things like that as well. So even like I always

1129
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,639
think of an eggshell, right, the shell of an egg

1130
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:19,360
being very very Saturnian. It's keeping everything sort of contained within. Right.

1131
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:24,320
It's interesting when you think of this containment or this restriction,

1132
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,920
where does that go. It goes back to the center, right,

1133
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,760
It goes back to the middle of the system of

1134
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,039
whatever it is you're referring to. So Saturnian symbolism actually

1135
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,199
has related to it, this idea of going back to

1136
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,920
the middle, going back to the center path in my opinion, right,

1137
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,280
I think that that's one of its true sort of

1138
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:50,440
positive lessons associated with it basically. And so even winter,

1139
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,400
you know we're dealing with the winter solstice, everyone goes inside, right,

1140
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,639
You're not expanding outwards, you're not spending time outdoors because

1141
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:01,159
there is no sun. So everything about winter literally has

1142
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:04,199
this sort of containment kind of dynamic with it, which

1143
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:10,920
is very Capricornian. Right. Also, Capricorn begins what I refer

1144
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,679
to as like a triune sort of pattern with the

1145
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:17,840
following signs that are all very watery. So with Capricorn,

1146
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:20,960
it's a sea goat, but it's an Earth sign, right,

1147
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,880
So it's a half fish half goat hybrid, so it's

1148
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,760
an Earth sign, but it has this aquatic dynamic to it.

1149
01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:32,119
The following sign is Aquarius. The old ruler of Aquarius

1150
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,800
using the traditional system is Saturn itself as well, so

1151
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,679
there's a Saturnian connection with both Capricorn and Aquarius. And

1152
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,159
Aquarius is an air sign, but yet it's the water bearer,

1153
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,679
so there is this watery dynamic associated with it as well, right,

1154
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,079
And it's been said that Aquarius provides the waters for

1155
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:53,400
the celestial ocean. So you'll actually notice even if you

1156
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,360
go off of the ecliptic the path of the sun.

1157
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,960
You'll see that there's other constellations that are more watery

1158
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,199
sort of in nature, aquatic in Nati, and then you

1159
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,360
have Pisces, which is literally a water sign itself. So

1160
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:09,960
the last three signs skew towards water, and to me,

1161
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,400
the Capricorn dynamic with it kind of relates to the

1162
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,760
idea that I have a hunch or my suspicion is

1163
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,960
that a lot of cultures viewed their adversarial figure and

1164
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:27,039
perhaps viewed either the underworld or hell as being underwater,

1165
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:30,840
not under earth. That's more of a modern sort of conception,

1166
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,719
you know. So I think it's interesting, right, the devil

1167
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,320
carries a pitchfork. That's one of the ideas that he's

1168
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,199
always associated with, this pitchfork or trident, right, kind of

1169
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:42,960
just like Poseidon and a lot of other watery sort

1170
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,679
of deities. And so that's the card that Capricorn corresponds with,

1171
01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:50,280
by the way, is the devil card. The devil card

1172
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,000
being the fifteenth card in the major econa, and he's

1173
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,360
always generally seen in a subterranean place with fire and

1174
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,400
brimstone and whatever else. But I think ancient peoples maybe

1175
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,039
saw this same figure as being more watery in nature,

1176
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aquatic in nature, and that the underworld was actually under

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the ocean or somebody of water.

1178
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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially in ancient times, because this was a time

1179
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that you know, they thought that they sailed out far

1180
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,679
enough that they would file off, and they had all

1181
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:22,639
the legends and miss about the kraken, right, and all

1182
01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:25,400
these sea beasts and chaos dragons coming out of the

1183
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:30,119
sea and devouring ships, and so the sea was known

1184
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:35,119
to be chaotic and death so exactly I could easily

1185
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:36,000
see that correlation.

1186
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Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely. Yeah, No, I think it makes sense, And yeah,

1187
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:42,960
that was something I looked into a handful of years ago.

1188
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:46,480
I'm like, oh, man, I think the under earth dynamic

1189
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,400
is more of a relatively kind of like more of

1190
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:54,480
a modern sort of conception idea. But in freemasonry and

1191
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:57,119
in other systems, by the way, you know, this idea

1192
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,800
of a life of birthing axis or death axis. I

1193
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,800
think there was one main axis that people were concerned with.

1194
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,199
I think it's still the main axis, which is the

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01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:11,039
northern axis, but it's been associated with almost all of

1196
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:14,639
the pairs in the zodiac and actually Capricorn and cancer

1197
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:18,400
are no exception. So there's a lot of material out

1198
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:22,159
there about different schools of thought claiming that.

1199
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 3: Cancers the polar opposite how he was talking about Taurus

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01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,559
and the scorpio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yep, yep, cancer Capricorn, and so Capricorn has been

1202
01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:36,760
viewed as the gateway of the gods and cancer has

1203
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,400
been viewed as the gateway of man, and that there's

1204
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:44,480
this idea that mankind symbolically comes through cancer. This relates

1205
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:48,159
very strongly to royal arch freemasonry, which is one of

1206
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:51,320
my most popular videos that I made. When you look

1207
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,559
into royal arch freemasonry and there are tracing boards and

1208
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:58,599
artwork and everything, there's always two pillars, and there's an

1209
01:07:58,719 --> 01:08:01,840
arch that connects the two pillars. In the middle of

1210
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,960
the arch, the very top of the arch, which would

1211
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,519
be symbolically the top of the firmament in my opinion,

1212
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:12,199
there's the keystone, and the keystone oftentimes has the cancer

1213
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:15,239
glyph right in there, and so sometimes the keystone is

1214
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,199
removed and there's like an eye of providence on top

1215
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,880
and it's emanating light. The light is shining through that hole.

1216
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:25,439
And so this is the idea that we come through cancer,

1217
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:30,720
and oftentimes on the bottom of that tracing board or image,

1218
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:34,000
you will have symbolism related to death, right, so you'll

1219
01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:37,079
have a coffin and a skull and things like that.

1220
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,119
And what it's referring to is this gateway of man

1221
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:43,840
concept cancer and cancer relates to the moon. There's a

1222
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:49,960
lot of lunar symbolism that corresponds with pregnancy and childbirth right.

1223
01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:53,399
Cancer is the only sign ruled by the moon as well.

1224
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:57,119
And even a lot of words like even man. My

1225
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:01,479
understanding is a lot of words that begin with man

1226
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:04,800
or m i N or m e N actually go

1227
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,600
back to the moon. So I'm thinking of a month

1228
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,399
that's a known classic example that it's actually moonth you know,

1229
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,520
in a way, minute also goes back to the moon.

1230
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,159
Min menstruation, men also goes back to the moon, but

1231
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,720
also man and men and so it's kind of there's

1232
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,479
this idea symbolically that people have put forward that it's

1233
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,520
almost like we're moon children, right, something along these lines, right,

1234
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,119
And so there's a birthing aspect related to the moon

1235
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,119
that you kind of can't take away or ignore. And

1236
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:42,279
then there's a clear death sort of correspondence with the

1237
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:44,960
sun as well, or excuse me, with Capricorn. You know,

1238
01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:50,119
again the sun being the furthest away from our northern

1239
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:54,399
hemisphere location, right, so it's cold and everything else, and

1240
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,239
so there's the death dynamic with winter for sure. And

1241
01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:00,000
this is actually winter is when a lot of older

1242
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:02,880
people tend to pass, you know, you don't have the

1243
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,359
vitality of the sun kind of keeping you going and

1244
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:08,039
all this daylight and everything else. So I've heard that

1245
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:09,920
winter time is when a lot of people who have

1246
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:16,039
issues tend to pass. And yeah, so gayway of man, cancer,

1247
01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:18,920
gayway of the gods, Capricorn, that's a classic sort of

1248
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,920
thing that people can look into if they're interested.

1249
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:25,239
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, you blew my mind today, Mario. I definitely

1250
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,920
want to have you back and pick your brain some

1251
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,560
more if you're willing to come talk with us man

1252
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:30,239
for sure.

1253
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah. We just barely scratched the surface here,

1254
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:35,720
so I'm happy to do it. And I like your

1255
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:40,199
perspective and to be honest with you, you know, Christianity is

1256
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:43,560
calling me in many ways, and so you know, just

1257
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,399
to have someone to bounce some thoughts off of in

1258
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,399
that regard, and there's a huge dynamic there that we

1259
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:53,399
can get into the symbolism of the cross, symbolism of Christ.

1260
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,520
There's a huge relationship with aries symbolism related to a

1261
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,319
lot of kings and lords and emperors, which what was that,

1262
01:11:03,119 --> 01:11:05,880
the Golden Lease, the Golden fleece? Yeah, yeah, exactly, So

1263
01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:08,439
there's a lot we can riff on. So absolutely, man,

1264
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,640
anytime you want to have me back, I'm down. Yeah.

1265
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 3: Well, before we even get off today, I'll be sure

1266
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,720
to send you some dates, man, then we'll get set

1267
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,439
up because I definitely want to keep talking to you. Man,

1268
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,000
I love these conversations.

1269
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful, right on.

1270
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 3: Well before we go, man, just in case somebody tuned

1271
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,680
in halfway through or was doing dishes or laundry and

1272
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,640
missed the opening, just go ahead and plug your stuff

1273
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,239
one more time for those that missed it.

1274
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,119
Speaker 2: For sure. So people can find me at Symbolic Studies

1275
01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:37,840
dot com. I also have a Patreon where I have

1276
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,880
exclusive content. So I'm actually going through right now the

1277
01:11:42,039 --> 01:11:45,439
major arcana in the tarot. There's twenty two cards. I'm

1278
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,560
doing an hour long presentation or right around there for

1279
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,760
each card. I just completed my fifteenth episode, so I've

1280
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,520
got seven more to go. But if people want to

1281
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,520
deep dive into the tarot, they can check that out.

1282
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,000
It's just five bucks a month basically. And then I

1283
01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:01,239
also have a podcast too that you can find on there,

1284
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,840
but everything they can find on my website, so all

1285
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,199
my social media accounts and everything else are linked from there.

1286
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 3: All right, awesome, man, Well, I appreciate you. Man. Like

1287
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,520
I said, I enjoy these conversations and diving into this

1288
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,199
stuff and learning as much as I can. I think

1289
01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:18,479
this stuff is very fascinating and there's so many connections

1290
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,520
that you can be made because I'm the type of

1291
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,399
person that there's a lot of people in the Christian

1292
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,560
space that are very rigid and they're very closed minded

1293
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,199
and stuff. But I'm one of these types of guys.

1294
01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:33,159
I think knowledge, wisdom, all that kind of stuff can

1295
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:37,239
be gained from everybody. Everybody has puzzle pieces, and it's like,

1296
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,840
if you're not having these conversations, you're not exchanging puzzle

1297
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,239
pieces with people, so therefore you're not improving your worldview

1298
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:46,600
and your thirty thousand foot view of this thing that

1299
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:47,439
we call life.

1300
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're exactly very important, right on. No, you're

1301
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:53,359
speaking my language, man, Well, thanks again for the invite.

1302
01:12:53,399 --> 01:12:54,079
I had a great time.

1303
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 3: Oh man, I really appreciate it. I had a great

1304
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,680
time also. Well, guys, if you enjoyed that, you had

1305
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,840
a great time, and you just got that it scratched

1306
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,960
just a little bit and you're burning for some more,

1307
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:06,760
go check out his stuff. I'll be sure to have

1308
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,359
a link down in description and try to make it

1309
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:10,319
easy for you, guys, if I can remember. I know

1310
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:13,000
I'm terrible for that sometimes, but I will try my best, guys.

1311
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,239
But if you enjoyed that, check him out, guys, and

1312
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:18,119
I'm sure he appreciate it. But until next time, Torch

1313
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:18,800
is high, guys,