WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:07.040 Big Food and Beyond. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:10.199 With Cliff and Bobo. These guys a favor. 3 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:13.160 It's so like, say subscribe and rade it. 4 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.199 I'm stuck and me. 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:24.879 Grates on Ques today listening watching limb always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 8 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:36.759 very often Bobo. Bobo is not here today, as you 9 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:39.399 can tell by my snarky entrance, but it's okay. He 10 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:43.799 had like a friend's emergency sort of thing, very very 11 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.719 reasonable excuse, in my opinion. So we will keep the 12 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:49.799 heckling of Bobo to a minimum, or at least we'll try. 13 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.079 There'll probably be some things that leak out because that's 14 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:55.520 who we are. But joining us instead of Bobo is 15 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.039 gonna be Matt Pruitt. He's always lurking around here somewhere, 16 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:59.399 So hello, Matt, how you doing? Man? 17 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.280 I think we can heckle him a little bit, because 18 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:05.040 nobody heckles me in my life more than Bobo, which 19 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.920 I quite enjoy his heckling, So he could take a 20 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:09.480 little bit of it. But he does have a good 21 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:10.439 excuse this time. 22 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.959 Yeah, yeah, So what We'll let him slide said, I'm 23 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.680 sure Bobo's listening to this somewhere right now, so Bobo 24 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:18.000 would love you. Sorry you can't be here, but always 25 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.280 forgiven until next time you screw up. And then it's, 26 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.519 you know, the chopping block for you. But a couple 27 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:25.120 of things going on you might want to know about. 28 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.480 And I guess, Matt, you has a little bit of 29 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:29.200 housekeeping for our listeners first, don't you? 30 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.879 Certainly? So you know, we upload these episodes through our 31 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.680 RSS feed and that auto publishes to all the big podcatchers, 32 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:39.000 you know, the free podcast app, So whether you're an 33 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.519 Apple user and you listen on Apple Podcasts, or if 34 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:45.879 you listen through Speaker, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Pandora. The list goes 35 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.319 on and on. We also used to publish to YouTube 36 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:51.159 because YouTube would accept our RSS feed and then auto 37 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:55.000 generate a video with a little thumbnail with a sort 38 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.879 of moving waveform. And I noticed over the last few 39 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:00.760 episodes they just weren't populating, even though everything looked right 40 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.879 on my end logging in through our distributor and into 41 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.040 our YouTube account. And then I finally found out today that 42 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:09.560 YouTube is no longer allowing that, so I don't know 43 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:11.479 that we'll come up with a solution for that if 44 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.560 there's a good workaround, because it helps us that it 45 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.120 all comes from the same RSS feed rather than doing 46 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.960 it as two separate uploads and not being able to 47 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.319 track numbers as easily. So if you usually listen on 48 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:25.800 YouTube and you found us on another platform, it's all 49 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:28.599 the same show. You're going to get the same experience, 50 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.159 maybe even a better one if you're not using YouTube 51 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:33.840 Premium and you're being subjected to more ads than usual. 52 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:36.680 But I'll also put a post out on social media. 53 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.479 So if any of you are used to listening on 54 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.719 YouTube and now you've found yourself on another app and 55 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:42.759 you're waiting for it to come back to YouTube, looks 56 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.280 like that's not going to happen. So we're glad you're here. 57 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:48.039 Use any of the apps of your choice, and we'll 58 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.319 give you the best show we can every single time. 59 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.879 Regardless YouTube we should you call them bootube. That sucks 60 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:57.840 and I love YouTube. I'm a frequent YouTube user, so 61 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.439 it's a little unfortunate. You know, we all always knew 62 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:02.400 from day one that we weren't going to do video 63 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.560 content as far as the podcast goes, You know, if 64 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.439 we happen to be together in person, or you and 65 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.479 Bobo are together, or any permutation. You know, we try 66 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:12.479 to get some video content and put that up, but 67 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.479 that's kind of rare these days because we all live 68 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:16.439 fairly far apart. 69 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:20.080 So it wasn't like YouTube was a great platform for 70 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:22.120 us anyway. But I know a lot of people listen 71 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.319 on YouTube, and so it was just another app they 72 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:24.840 could go to. 73 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.520 But oh well, oh well, yeah, they should subscribe anyway. 74 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.199 It's not like it costs any money or something. It's 75 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.680 all free. It's all free. Yeah, And apparently it's simple. 76 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:34.879 Not that I've subscribed to any podcasts, but apparently it's 77 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.199 simple to do. And if you don't know how to 78 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.080 do it, just find a young person near you and 79 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:40.879 ask them. They'll tell you. That's what I do. 80 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.360 Yeah, I feel kind of silly like trying to walk 81 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.360 people through that, because trying to say, like, well, if 82 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:48.439 you don't listen to this podcast, let me tell you 83 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:50.919 how on this podcast right now that you're not listening 84 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:51.879 to yet, you know. 85 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.719 Yeah, yeah, no one's hearing you, and I'm sure everybody 86 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.240 who's not hearing you will follow your directions very well. 87 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.159 But yeah, mostly speaking to the people who used to 88 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:02.800 listen on YouTube, because we have gotten a couple of 89 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:04.840 emails from people going, hey, what happened to the show? 90 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.599 Did you guys stop making episodes? And I've had to 91 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:09.680 respond to them and say no, no, no, We've kept doing it. 92 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:11.560 We just don't publish a YouTube right now, and I'm 93 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:13.520 trying to figure out why. But now we know why, 94 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:17.079 So go over to the apps. I would recommend you know, obviously, 95 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.639 if you're an Apple user, Apple Podcasts will be your 96 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:24.319 best bet. For Android users, there's so many different options. 97 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:26.639 You know, Spotify is a great option, but you can 98 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.439 always listen in your browser. Very few people do that, 99 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:30.920 but if you want to, you can go to the 100 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:33.079 link and the show notes to our website, Bigfoot and 101 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:36.079 Beyond podcast dot com. There's an embedded player if you 102 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:37.680 want to listen to your browser while you're sending it 103 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:39.839 your computer. So there's a lot of options out there 104 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:40.800 besides YouTube. 105 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:42.639 Yeah, and if none of that makes sense, just grab 106 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:44.839 the nearest teenager and ask them. They'll explain it to you. 107 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:46.759 Absolutely well. 108 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:48.680 I guess the other big news of this this week, 109 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:50.839 especially this coming week, which has everything to do with 110 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:54.639 our guest today is that this coming weekend. It is 111 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:56.759 this coming weekend, right, Matt, That's what we're doing here. 112 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.560 It is Okay, Matt Pruett and I are are both 113 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.040 going to be at one of the best events of 114 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:07.439 the year called cryptid Con. It's out in Kentucky and 115 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.000 today our guest is Jennifer Kirkland. I'm gonna say half 116 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:12.959 of the brain's involved, but probably way more than half 117 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.199 of the brains involved in organizing cryptid Con because we've 118 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:19.240 had her husband Lee on the podcast before, and maybe 119 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:21.439 Matt Prode here can put that link down in the 120 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.600 show notes there so you can listen to Lee's version 121 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.639 of things. But Lee and Jennifer Kirkland are the organizers 122 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:28.439 of cryptied Con. It's one of the best events. It's 123 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.360 certainly one of the largest events on that side of 124 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.199 the country or anywhere in the country. Really. I think 125 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.800 some of the best guests are there, and it's partly 126 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.120 because they also have a management company. They manage most 127 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:43.439 of the main quote unquote talent that you can find 128 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:47.279 on various television shows and researchers, I mean everybody. I mean, 129 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:49.720 they represent me. So if you want to book me 130 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:51.800 for an event. You got to go through them, which 131 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:54.399 is great because I'm not a good businessman. I'm just 132 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.720 a good man, so I need some folks to negotiate 133 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.160 on my behalf. So they have everybody from me and 134 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.240 doctor Meldrum to Jason Hawes. I think works for them. 135 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.000 I could be wrong, but anyway, enough for me, man, 136 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:11.399 Let's talk to Jennifer. So this is Jennifer Kirkland, way 137 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:14.079 more than half of the brains behind cryptid Con. And 138 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.079 we're not just talking about an event here either, because 139 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.680 Jennifer is a legit paranormal investigator. She has all sorts 140 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:22.680 of crazy stories and because she's going out on these 141 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:27.360 events and trips and expeditions and whatever else. So Jennifer, 142 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:29.759 thank you so much for setting aside a little bit 143 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.399 of time and your busy schedule for us. We're sorry 144 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:33.360 Bobo couldn't be here. 145 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:35.319 Oh thank you for having me. 146 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:39.040 This is exciting and I miss Bobo too, But I'm 147 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:41.319 excited to talk cryptic Con and all things weird. 148 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:46.040 Yeah, yeah, because it's not. You're just not just an organizer. 149 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:50.399 From what I understand, your first love was the paranormal 150 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:54.079 weird side of things, and you eventually decided to start 151 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:56.439 running some events or something like that. Is that accurate? 152 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:57.839 Yeah, that's it. 153 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.560 I was one of the weird kids growing up that 154 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:05.680 had a fascination with ghosts and the paranormal, and from 155 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:07.800 as long as I can remember, I would love to 156 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:11.079 hear my grandma tell ghost stories and that was just 157 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:13.879 my that was my thing, and it has kind of 158 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.480 developed into a side gig now, which is exciting. 159 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.240 Yeah, and it seems like, God, I joke with you 160 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.079 that you're a glutton for punishment because you're kind of 161 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:27.040 out most weekends at one of these events, whether you're 162 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.639 an organizer just representing some sort of talent there, you know, 163 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:32.639 some guests or whatever, some celebrities or whatever. You're out 164 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:35.279 at these things too, at least two or three weekends 165 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:36.680 a month between you and Lee, right. 166 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.519 Oh yeah, it seems like, especially around this time of year, 167 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:44.480 we've got either people books somewhere, or we are somewhere. 168 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:46.920 We stay busy with it. 169 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:49.160 Oh yeah, yeah, far busier than I would want to be, 170 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:51.199 that's for sure. You're just a different kind of person 171 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.319 than me. You do like being out there and then 172 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.160 hearing the stories and talking to the people and all 173 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.639 that sort of stuff. But you mentioned that your grandmother, 174 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.079 and I had not heard of about this yet. What 175 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:02.959 kind of ghost stories did your grandma tell you. 176 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.360 It's kind of weird because my grandma was like, super 177 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.240 very religious. I'm convinced right now she's sitting at the 178 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:15.480 right hand of Jesus up there, but so she It's 179 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.040 like the stories she would tell were things that. 180 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:20.199 Would have happened to them growing up. 181 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:23.480 I remember one particular story she and what would have 182 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.879 been my great grandfather. I'm sure this would have been 183 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:30.879 like maybe late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. I grew 184 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:35.399 up in eastern Kentucky, and you know, things developed kind 185 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:39.080 of slow there as far as technology and just you know, 186 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.840 everything is kind of slow to develop, So you're thinking 187 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:45.360 this was backwards Kentucky, early nineteen hundreds. And I remember 188 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:47.519 this story in particular, and I don't know why it 189 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:50.639 sticks out with me, but my great grandfather had taken 190 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:52.879 one of her older sisters out to like a church 191 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:55.200 re bival or something like that. They were on a 192 00:08:55.240 --> 00:09:00.440 horse like horse and carriage coming back after dark, and 193 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:04.480 they're on their little road home and the horse starts 194 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.320 just like going crazy, and she said that her sister 195 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.919 would talk about how it sounded like they were just 196 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.000 going through I guess this time of year where they 197 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:16.960 were like leaves everywhere here, leaves crunching, sticks snapping, and 198 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.440 the horse is like reacting to something that they can't 199 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:22.320 see out there, so they go ahead and get it 200 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.840 under control, make it home. My great grandfather goes back 201 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.639 the next day and it's like it's not fall, there's 202 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:33.120 not dried leaves anywhere. But just like the whole incident was, 203 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:35.559 I'm assuming paranormal. 204 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.159 I don't know. And of course she's like. 205 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:39.720 Oh no, you know, she has some excuse for it, 206 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.039 but just things like that would stick out to me 207 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.480 as a kid, and it's just kind of grown from there. 208 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.440 Just as a general weirdness story, like things that were 209 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:53.159 perceived but turned out not to be true later. And 210 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.720 that's is Is there a word for that kind of phenomenon? 211 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:57.159 I don't know anything about that. That's weird. 212 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:01.080 I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. 213 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.039 To me, it's almost like a like a time slip 214 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.159 or something, is what it kind of sounds like to me, 215 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.600 where they've just kind of either gone back in time 216 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:14.879 or like slipped into another dimension. I don't know, but yeah, 217 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:15.879 just general weirdness. 218 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.679 Yeah yeah, but but yeah, yet the witnesses are adamant that, yeah, 219 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:22.320 that is what happened. And whereas an outsider would say, oh, 220 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.639 hallucination or something like that to try to explain it away, 221 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.639 but the people involved in it, that story probably wouldn't 222 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:32.120 take I guess interesting. So you heard all these sort 223 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:34.240 of stories, Now, do you think that like planted a 224 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:36.600 seed of interest? I mean, it obviously planted a set 225 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.279 of interest with you because you're still here. But did 226 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:44.000 you grow up having odd things happen around you or 227 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.639 to you, or something like like a haunted house sort 228 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:48.120 of stuff, or the honest thing. 229 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:49.480 That happened to me as a kid. 230 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:53.200 I remember, and this is so stupid, but I was 231 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:57.080 a Hull Cogan fan, like huge bulk Coging fan, Pokemonia baby, 232 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:02.080 and I had like the big eighteen and hard plastic doll. 233 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.519 I was having a slumber party for my eighth birthday. 234 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:07.720 I remember this very vividly, and I had this whole 235 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:10.240 Cogon doll. He had set up on my dresser for 236 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:13.519 months and months, and I had several girls over for 237 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:15.799 a slumber party and we were playing with the wig aboard, 238 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:17.799 because what else do you do when you're eight years old? 239 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:23.080 And I had gone into the kitchen to get something, Oh, 240 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:24.240 I don't want to I was going to get ice 241 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:27.200 cream out of the freezer, and the girls were there 242 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:31.200 playing with the wage aboard and they say, you know, 243 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:32.799 of course the classic. 244 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:35.080 If you're here, give us a sign on the wage 245 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:35.399 of board. 246 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:38.399 And as soon as they did that, the whole Cogain 247 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:42.039 doll falls off of my dresser, that gallant half gallon 248 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.879 of ice cream falls out of the freezers, like simultaneously, 249 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.399 all of this stuff is happening. So as far as 250 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:50.080 like experiences that happened to be as a kid, that's 251 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:51.639 what sticks out in my mind. And I'm sure it 252 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:53.960 was absolutely nothing, but when you're eight years old with 253 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:55.799 a wige aboard and a whole Cogan doll, you know, 254 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:56.840 it's got to be very and normal. 255 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:00.879 At that time, I could tell see that. I could 256 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:04.320 totally see that. Uh. As a as a side question, 257 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:06.919 was your whole Cogan doll was his skin like hot 258 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:08.519 dog colored like it is in real life? 259 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:14.240 Yes, it was. It was kind of the same shape. 260 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.840 Yeah. Whenever Melissa sees that guy on TV, says why 261 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:18.919 is he the color of a hot dog? Like, what 262 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:22.200 is what's wrong with that guy? Yeah, it's just unnatural. 263 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.159 But okay, So that that. So, where did your current, 264 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.320 like your presence loved for the paranormal? When did that 265 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:33.000 really start taking shape? Where was the moment of the 266 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.480 momentum that pushed you forward in that realm? 267 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.039 Honestly, I think it was when Lee and I first 268 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:42.399 got together. He had he was always afraid of the 269 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:45.320 ghost stuff growing up because he lived in a home 270 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.679 that had a whole lot of activity, whereas I was 271 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:51.240 the kid that was like wanting the activity. So when 272 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:53.559 we got together, we started discussing, you know, like his 273 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:57.600 background and my interest. And about that same time, the 274 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:01.120 show ghost Hunters just started on TV, and it just 275 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.120 kind of, you know, it's like, hey, there's other people 276 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:05.320 that are interested in this and they're actually going out 277 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.600 and looking for this stuff. And we just kind of 278 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.399 did some research from there and got hooked up with 279 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:13.279 a local ghost hunter and went on a few of 280 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:16.519 her ghost walks, and it escalated. 281 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:18.919 And and so you went on the ghost walk, you 282 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.919 started looking into things a little bit more and more. 283 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:23.559 I don't know about you, and you know me, well, 284 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:25.279 enough that you know that Bigfoot has kind of taken 285 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:27.000 over my life. And I think in a lot of ways, 286 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:31.000 this whole umbrella of a weird subject matter thing has 287 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.679 kind of done that something similar to you At what 288 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:35.879 point in your life maybe what year or maybe this 289 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.840 or something that happened when do you think that actually 290 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:41.200 happened right where you found yourself swimming in the deep end? 291 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.320 Lee and I started out with Scarefest here in Kentucky, 292 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:48.200 Horror in Paranormal convention. 293 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:49.240 At that time. 294 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.960 It was the first kind of convention that combined both 295 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.320 a horror convention plus a paranormal convention. 296 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.399 We were on with the ground in with the ground floor. 297 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.679 On that and through that event just meeting and networking 298 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.279 with people and you know, talking to the attendees that 299 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.279 were coming out wanted to tell their stories. That was 300 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.840 really what as far as like the event side, the 301 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:14.519 entertainment side and all that. That's where we got our 302 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:18.759 start with that and the networking that we did with 303 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.519 that event, I think is really kind of catapultist to 304 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:23.039 where we are. 305 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:25.840 Had you ever organized anything before? 306 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:28.080 No, no, that was the first one. 307 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.679 So yeah, thank God for ignorance, right, Like you can 308 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:34.720 just step into something, not knowing what you're up against 309 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:36.799 and somehow making it happen and learning from it. 310 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:40.600 Exactly we were with that event I think six or 311 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:44.120 first six or seven years, just some differences and opinions 312 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:46.159 and the way the event should grow. So we left 313 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.759 and from there we started working with Nick Groff, whom 314 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.759 we had met through Scarefest, and that was about the 315 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.120 same time that he was leaving Ghost Adventures, and he 316 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.679 still wanted to. Because of contract obligations, whatever, he couldn't 317 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:02.799 do anymore filming for a little while until his protract 318 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:07.039 was out, but he still wanted to meet with fans 319 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.360 and do you know the paranormal stuff. 320 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:12.559 That's when we organized the Nick Croft Tour. 321 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:17.200 And if you've never been on a like a ghost hunt, 322 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.039 I recomain getting started with something like that. People say, 323 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.440 you know, it's hard to have experiences with a large group. 324 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:26.120 It is, but also you know, it's what you make 325 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.399 of it. I think you and Melissa came out when 326 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:31.159 we were at the Queen Mary. 327 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:33.679 Yeah, yeah, Melissa and I were just talking about the 328 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:38.240 other night. Actually, you know, Bobo had somehow met you guys, 329 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:40.840 I don't know how, and he was down in Long Beach. 330 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:42.840 Melissa and I were down in Long Beach. It happened 331 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:44.759 to be the same time my mother was dying, so 332 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:47.320 I was down there a lot at that time. And 333 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:50.720 and Bobo says, yeah, I'm going to go Queen Mary 334 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.000 ghost Tour stuff. And you know, you know me like 335 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.480 I'm mister pooh pooh guy, you know, like I don't, 336 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.440 I don't know all that stuff. But Melissa loves ghost stuff. 337 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.279 So I said, sweet, we got invite over here. Bobo said, 338 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:02.879 this is going to go on. There's some guy named 339 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:06.399 Nick Groff. Never heard of him, and who's now my friend, 340 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:08.360 you know to some degree, Like you know, he's been 341 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:10.639 on the podcast. Matt will probably put the link down 342 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.200 to that episode in the show notes as well. Super 343 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:15.879 nice guy. So that's the first time I met him. 344 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.960 First time I met you and Lee my first ghost 345 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.080 thing trip or whatever on the Queen Mary, which I've 346 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:23.919 always loved the Queen Mary. I used to fish around 347 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:27.159 that area quite a bit. And it's funny because Molssa 348 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.279 was excited to go on the ghost tour. I was 349 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:31.639 excited to go look over the rails of the boat 350 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:34.320 at the very very large calico bass that are stuck 351 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.919 inside the no fishing zone around the Queen Mary. But 352 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:39.840 we all had our reasons. But yeah, that was a 353 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.279 lot of fun. I'm not sure I bought any of it, 354 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:43.960 but like, that was a lot of fun, that's for sure. 355 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:46.639 I would recommend people going on one of these trips 356 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.399 just because it is kind of fun in some ways, 357 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.320 and who knows, maybe something would happen at some point. 358 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.399 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 359 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:05.880 We'll be right back after these messages. Are you guys 360 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:07.279 still running to the neck rof stuff? 361 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:08.319 Yeah, we're still doing. 362 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:11.640 We've got one coming up in January in Tombstone, Arizona. 363 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:13.960 That'll be our first one back, I guess in a 364 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:19.240 couple of years. But Tombstone is such a fun town, 365 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:22.880 like it is true Old westtown, and it's the first 366 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:24.839 time that the Neckgrof Tour will be in Tombstone. I 367 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.880 think we've got five different locations that we're gonna have 368 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:32.279 some different investigations going on. We've got some of the 369 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:35.039 local ghost tending tour guys that are there that are 370 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:38.680 going to help us with those and just hang out 371 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:39.880 in Tombstone for a weekend. 372 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:42.279 Oh, that sounds like fun. How cool is it? So 373 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.119 I wasn't wrong because I don't think I had heard 374 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.359 about any of the Nickrof tour going on lately, but 375 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:47.640 you said this is the first one in a couple 376 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:48.119 of years. 377 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.559 Yep. Nick has had he and Tessa got married. 378 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.680 They've got a couple of new babies, so they've been 379 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.640 doing the family thing and ready to get back out 380 00:17:57.680 --> 00:17:58.720 on the road with the tour. 381 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.000 So we're excited for Tombstone. 382 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.960 Oh that's good. That makes me feel a little bit 383 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.319 better too, because sometimes like, no, we've been doingever every 384 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:05.880 month and you just don't know about a cliff and 385 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:07.920 it's like, I just feel like a bad friend when 386 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:11.880 I don't know things sometimes. Okay, it's back back to 387 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.400 the line of thought here. So then you organize You 388 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:17.559 helped to organize scare Fest for you did it for 389 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:20.039 a number of years, and what was the next big 390 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.440 event that you decided to undertake. 391 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:25.079 The next big one would be crypted On and that's 392 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.119 been going since twenty seventeen. 393 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:30.519 And most of these people are people that you're now 394 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.960 not only good friends with, but also you represent some 395 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:36.960 degree like me for example, you know, like represent our 396 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.039 interests when we negotiate for live appearances and all that 397 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:41.920 sort of stuff. Let me ask you about a couple 398 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.279 of these people, one in particular, one of my favorite 399 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:46.200 people on the planet. And I want to know a 400 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.759 little bit about the backstory between you and this gentleman 401 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.799