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Speaker 1: Grates on Ques today listening watching limb always keep its watching.
Speaker 1: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: very often Bobo. Bobo is not here today, as you
Speaker 2: can tell by my snarky entrance, but it's okay. He
Speaker 2: had like a friend's emergency sort of thing, very very
Speaker 2: reasonable excuse, in my opinion. So we will keep the
Speaker 2: heckling of Bobo to a minimum, or at least we'll try.
Speaker 2: There'll probably be some things that leak out because that's
Speaker 2: who we are. But joining us instead of Bobo is
Speaker 2: gonna be Matt Pruitt. He's always lurking around here somewhere,
Speaker 2: So hello, Matt, how you doing? Man?
Speaker 1: I think we can heckle him a little bit, because
Speaker 1: nobody heckles me in my life more than Bobo, which
Speaker 1: I quite enjoy his heckling, So he could take a
Speaker 1: little bit of it. But he does have a good
Speaker 1: excuse this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So what We'll let him slide said, I'm
Speaker 2: sure Bobo's listening to this somewhere right now, so Bobo
Speaker 2: would love you. Sorry you can't be here, but always
Speaker 2: forgiven until next time you screw up. And then it's,
Speaker 2: you know, the chopping block for you. But a couple
Speaker 2: of things going on you might want to know about.
Speaker 2: And I guess, Matt, you has a little bit of
Speaker 2: housekeeping for our listeners first, don't you?
Speaker 1: Certainly? So you know, we upload these episodes through our
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Speaker 1: YouTube is no longer allowing that, so I don't know
Speaker 1: that we'll come up with a solution for that if
Speaker 1: there's a good workaround, because it helps us that it
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Speaker 2: Regardless YouTube we should you call them bootube. That sucks
Speaker 2: and I love YouTube. I'm a frequent YouTube user, so
Speaker 2: it's a little unfortunate. You know, we all always knew
Speaker 2: from day one that we weren't going to do video
Speaker 2: content as far as the podcast goes, You know, if
Speaker 2: we happen to be together in person, or you and
Speaker 2: Bobo are together, or any permutation. You know, we try
Speaker 2: to get some video content and put that up, but
Speaker 2: that's kind of rare these days because we all live
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Speaker 1: So it wasn't like YouTube was a great platform for
Speaker 1: us anyway. But I know a lot of people listen
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Speaker 2: But oh well, oh well, yeah, they should subscribe anyway.
Speaker 2: It's not like it costs any money or something. It's
Speaker 2: all free. It's all free. Yeah, And apparently it's simple.
Speaker 2: Not that I've subscribed to any podcasts, but apparently it's
Speaker 2: simple to do. And if you don't know how to
Speaker 2: do it, just find a young person near you and
Speaker 2: ask them. They'll tell you. That's what I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel kind of silly like trying to walk
Speaker 1: people through that, because trying to say, like, well, if
Speaker 1: you don't listen to this podcast, let me tell you
Speaker 1: how on this podcast right now that you're not listening
Speaker 1: to yet, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no one's hearing you, and I'm sure everybody
Speaker 2: who's not hearing you will follow your directions very well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, mostly speaking to the people who used to
Speaker 1: listen on YouTube, because we have gotten a couple of
Speaker 1: emails from people going, hey, what happened to the show?
Speaker 1: Did you guys stop making episodes? And I've had to
Speaker 1: respond to them and say no, no, no, We've kept doing it.
Speaker 1: We just don't publish a YouTube right now, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why. But now we know why,
Speaker 1: So go over to the apps. I would recommend you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: if you're an Apple user, Apple Podcasts will be your
Speaker 1: best bet. For Android users, there's so many different options.
Speaker 1: You know, Spotify is a great option, but you can
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if none of that makes sense, just grab
Speaker 2: the nearest teenager and ask them. They'll explain it to you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well.
Speaker 2: I guess the other big news of this this week,
Speaker 2: especially this coming week, which has everything to do with
Speaker 2: our guest today is that this coming weekend. It is
Speaker 2: this coming weekend, right, Matt, That's what we're doing here.
Speaker 2: It is Okay, Matt Pruett and I are are both
Speaker 2: going to be at one of the best events of
Speaker 2: the year called cryptid Con. It's out in Kentucky and
Speaker 2: today our guest is Jennifer Kirkland. I'm gonna say half
Speaker 2: of the brain's involved, but probably way more than half
Speaker 2: of the brains involved in organizing cryptid Con because we've
Speaker 2: had her husband Lee on the podcast before, and maybe
Speaker 2: Matt Prode here can put that link down in the
Speaker 2: show notes there so you can listen to Lee's version
Speaker 2: of things. But Lee and Jennifer Kirkland are the organizers
Speaker 2: of cryptied Con. It's one of the best events. It's
Speaker 2: certainly one of the largest events on that side of
Speaker 2: the country or anywhere in the country. Really. I think
Speaker 2: some of the best guests are there, and it's partly
Speaker 2: because they also have a management company. They manage most
Speaker 2: of the main quote unquote talent that you can find
Speaker 2: on various television shows and researchers, I mean everybody. I mean,
Speaker 2: they represent me. So if you want to book me
Speaker 2: for an event. You got to go through them, which
Speaker 2: is great because I'm not a good businessman. I'm just
Speaker 2: a good man, so I need some folks to negotiate
Speaker 2: on my behalf. So they have everybody from me and
Speaker 2: doctor Meldrum to Jason Hawes. I think works for them.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but anyway, enough for me, man,
Speaker 2: Let's talk to Jennifer. So this is Jennifer Kirkland, way
Speaker 2: more than half of the brains behind cryptid Con. And
Speaker 2: we're not just talking about an event here either, because
Speaker 2: Jennifer is a legit paranormal investigator. She has all sorts
Speaker 2: of crazy stories and because she's going out on these
Speaker 2: events and trips and expeditions and whatever else. So Jennifer,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for setting aside a little bit
Speaker 2: of time and your busy schedule for us. We're sorry
Speaker 2: Bobo couldn't be here.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: This is exciting and I miss Bobo too, But I'm
Speaker 4: excited to talk cryptic Con and all things weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's not. You're just not just an organizer.
Speaker 2: From what I understand, your first love was the paranormal
Speaker 2: weird side of things, and you eventually decided to start
Speaker 2: running some events or something like that. Is that accurate?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: I was one of the weird kids growing up that
Speaker 4: had a fascination with ghosts and the paranormal, and from
Speaker 4: as long as I can remember, I would love to
Speaker 4: hear my grandma tell ghost stories and that was just
Speaker 4: my that was my thing, and it has kind of
Speaker 4: developed into a side gig now, which is exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems like, God, I joke with you
Speaker 2: that you're a glutton for punishment because you're kind of
Speaker 2: out most weekends at one of these events, whether you're
Speaker 2: an organizer just representing some sort of talent there, you know,
Speaker 2: some guests or whatever, some celebrities or whatever. You're out
Speaker 2: at these things too, at least two or three weekends
Speaker 2: a month between you and Lee, right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it seems like, especially around this time of year,
Speaker 3: we've got either people books somewhere, or we are somewhere.
Speaker 3: We stay busy with it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, far busier than I would want to be,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. You're just a different kind of person
Speaker 2: than me. You do like being out there and then
Speaker 2: hearing the stories and talking to the people and all
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. But you mentioned that your grandmother,
Speaker 2: and I had not heard of about this yet. What
Speaker 2: kind of ghost stories did your grandma tell you.
Speaker 4: It's kind of weird because my grandma was like, super
Speaker 4: very religious. I'm convinced right now she's sitting at the
Speaker 4: right hand of Jesus up there, but so she It's
Speaker 4: like the stories she would tell were things that.
Speaker 3: Would have happened to them growing up.
Speaker 4: I remember one particular story she and what would have
Speaker 4: been my great grandfather. I'm sure this would have been
Speaker 4: like maybe late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. I grew
Speaker 4: up in eastern Kentucky, and you know, things developed kind
Speaker 4: of slow there as far as technology and just you know,
Speaker 4: everything is kind of slow to develop, So you're thinking
Speaker 4: this was backwards Kentucky, early nineteen hundreds. And I remember
Speaker 4: this story in particular, and I don't know why it
Speaker 4: sticks out with me, but my great grandfather had taken
Speaker 4: one of her older sisters out to like a church
Speaker 4: re bival or something like that. They were on a
Speaker 4: horse like horse and carriage coming back after dark, and
Speaker 4: they're on their little road home and the horse starts
Speaker 4: just like going crazy, and she said that her sister
Speaker 4: would talk about how it sounded like they were just
Speaker 4: going through I guess this time of year where they
Speaker 4: were like leaves everywhere here, leaves crunching, sticks snapping, and
Speaker 4: the horse is like reacting to something that they can't
Speaker 4: see out there, so they go ahead and get it
Speaker 4: under control, make it home. My great grandfather goes back
Speaker 4: the next day and it's like it's not fall, there's
Speaker 4: not dried leaves anywhere. But just like the whole incident was,
Speaker 4: I'm assuming paranormal.
Speaker 3: I don't know. And of course she's like.
Speaker 4: Oh no, you know, she has some excuse for it,
Speaker 4: but just things like that would stick out to me
Speaker 4: as a kid, and it's just kind of grown from there.
Speaker 2: Just as a general weirdness story, like things that were
Speaker 2: perceived but turned out not to be true later. And
Speaker 2: that's is Is there a word for that kind of phenomenon?
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that. That's weird.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 4: To me, it's almost like a like a time slip
Speaker 4: or something, is what it kind of sounds like to me,
Speaker 4: where they've just kind of either gone back in time
Speaker 4: or like slipped into another dimension. I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 4: just general weirdness.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but but yeah, yet the witnesses are adamant that, yeah,
Speaker 2: that is what happened. And whereas an outsider would say, oh,
Speaker 2: hallucination or something like that to try to explain it away,
Speaker 2: but the people involved in it, that story probably wouldn't
Speaker 2: take I guess interesting. So you heard all these sort
Speaker 2: of stories, Now, do you think that like planted a
Speaker 2: seed of interest? I mean, it obviously planted a set
Speaker 2: of interest with you because you're still here. But did
Speaker 2: you grow up having odd things happen around you or
Speaker 2: to you, or something like like a haunted house sort
Speaker 2: of stuff, or the honest thing.
Speaker 3: That happened to me as a kid.
Speaker 4: I remember, and this is so stupid, but I was
Speaker 4: a Hull Cogan fan, like huge bulk Coging fan, Pokemonia baby,
Speaker 4: and I had like the big eighteen and hard plastic doll.
Speaker 4: I was having a slumber party for my eighth birthday.
Speaker 4: I remember this very vividly, and I had this whole
Speaker 4: Cogon doll. He had set up on my dresser for
Speaker 4: months and months, and I had several girls over for
Speaker 4: a slumber party and we were playing with the wig aboard,
Speaker 4: because what else do you do when you're eight years old?
Speaker 4: And I had gone into the kitchen to get something, Oh,
Speaker 4: I don't want to I was going to get ice
Speaker 4: cream out of the freezer, and the girls were there
Speaker 4: playing with the wage aboard and they say, you know,
Speaker 4: of course the classic.
Speaker 3: If you're here, give us a sign on the wage
Speaker 3: of board.
Speaker 4: And as soon as they did that, the whole Cogain
Speaker 4: doll falls off of my dresser, that gallant half gallon
Speaker 4: of ice cream falls out of the freezers, like simultaneously,
Speaker 4: all of this stuff is happening. So as far as
Speaker 4: like experiences that happened to be as a kid, that's
Speaker 4: what sticks out in my mind. And I'm sure it
Speaker 4: was absolutely nothing, but when you're eight years old with
Speaker 4: a wige aboard and a whole Cogan doll, you know,
Speaker 4: it's got to be very and normal.
Speaker 2: At that time, I could tell see that. I could
Speaker 2: totally see that. Uh. As a as a side question,
Speaker 2: was your whole Cogan doll was his skin like hot
Speaker 2: dog colored like it is in real life?
Speaker 3: Yes, it was. It was kind of the same shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Whenever Melissa sees that guy on TV, says why
Speaker 2: is he the color of a hot dog? Like, what
Speaker 2: is what's wrong with that guy? Yeah, it's just unnatural.
Speaker 2: But okay, So that that. So, where did your current,
Speaker 2: like your presence loved for the paranormal? When did that
Speaker 2: really start taking shape? Where was the moment of the
Speaker 2: momentum that pushed you forward in that realm?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think it was when Lee and I first
Speaker 4: got together. He had he was always afraid of the
Speaker 4: ghost stuff growing up because he lived in a home
Speaker 4: that had a whole lot of activity, whereas I was
Speaker 4: the kid that was like wanting the activity. So when
Speaker 4: we got together, we started discussing, you know, like his
Speaker 4: background and my interest. And about that same time, the
Speaker 4: show ghost Hunters just started on TV, and it just
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, it's like, hey, there's other people
Speaker 4: that are interested in this and they're actually going out
Speaker 4: and looking for this stuff. And we just kind of
Speaker 4: did some research from there and got hooked up with
Speaker 4: a local ghost hunter and went on a few of
Speaker 4: her ghost walks, and it escalated.
Speaker 2: And and so you went on the ghost walk, you
Speaker 2: started looking into things a little bit more and more.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, and you know me, well,
Speaker 2: enough that you know that Bigfoot has kind of taken
Speaker 2: over my life. And I think in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: this whole umbrella of a weird subject matter thing has
Speaker 2: kind of done that something similar to you At what
Speaker 2: point in your life maybe what year or maybe this
Speaker 2: or something that happened when do you think that actually
Speaker 2: happened right where you found yourself swimming in the deep end?
Speaker 4: Lee and I started out with Scarefest here in Kentucky,
Speaker 4: Horror in Paranormal convention.
Speaker 3: At that time.
Speaker 4: It was the first kind of convention that combined both
Speaker 4: a horror convention plus a paranormal convention.
Speaker 3: We were on with the ground in with the ground floor.
Speaker 4: On that and through that event just meeting and networking
Speaker 4: with people and you know, talking to the attendees that
Speaker 4: were coming out wanted to tell their stories. That was
Speaker 4: really what as far as like the event side, the
Speaker 4: entertainment side and all that. That's where we got our
Speaker 4: start with that and the networking that we did with
Speaker 4: that event, I think is really kind of catapultist to
Speaker 4: where we are.
Speaker 2: Had you ever organized anything before?
Speaker 3: No, no, that was the first one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, thank God for ignorance, right, Like you can
Speaker 2: just step into something, not knowing what you're up against
Speaker 2: and somehow making it happen and learning from it.
Speaker 4: Exactly we were with that event I think six or
Speaker 4: first six or seven years, just some differences and opinions
Speaker 4: and the way the event should grow. So we left
Speaker 4: and from there we started working with Nick Groff, whom
Speaker 4: we had met through Scarefest, and that was about the
Speaker 4: same time that he was leaving Ghost Adventures, and he
Speaker 4: still wanted to. Because of contract obligations, whatever, he couldn't
Speaker 4: do anymore filming for a little while until his protract
Speaker 4: was out, but he still wanted to meet with fans
Speaker 4: and do you know the paranormal stuff.
Speaker 3: That's when we organized the Nick Croft Tour.
Speaker 4: And if you've never been on a like a ghost hunt,
Speaker 4: I recomain getting started with something like that. People say,
Speaker 4: you know, it's hard to have experiences with a large group.
Speaker 4: It is, but also you know, it's what you make
Speaker 4: of it. I think you and Melissa came out when
Speaker 4: we were at the Queen Mary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Melissa and I were just talking about the
Speaker 2: other night. Actually, you know, Bobo had somehow met you guys,
Speaker 2: I don't know how, and he was down in Long Beach.
Speaker 2: Melissa and I were down in Long Beach. It happened
Speaker 2: to be the same time my mother was dying, so
Speaker 2: I was down there a lot at that time. And
Speaker 2: and Bobo says, yeah, I'm going to go Queen Mary
Speaker 2: ghost Tour stuff. And you know, you know me like
Speaker 2: I'm mister pooh pooh guy, you know, like I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't know all that stuff. But Melissa loves ghost stuff.
Speaker 2: So I said, sweet, we got invite over here. Bobo said,
Speaker 2: this is going to go on. There's some guy named
Speaker 2: Nick Groff. Never heard of him, and who's now my friend,
Speaker 2: you know to some degree, Like you know, he's been
Speaker 2: on the podcast. Matt will probably put the link down
Speaker 2: to that episode in the show notes as well. Super
Speaker 2: nice guy. So that's the first time I met him.
Speaker 2: First time I met you and Lee my first ghost
Speaker 2: thing trip or whatever on the Queen Mary, which I've
Speaker 2: always loved the Queen Mary. I used to fish around
Speaker 2: that area quite a bit. And it's funny because Molssa
Speaker 2: was excited to go on the ghost tour. I was
Speaker 2: excited to go look over the rails of the boat
Speaker 2: at the very very large calico bass that are stuck
Speaker 2: inside the no fishing zone around the Queen Mary. But
Speaker 2: we all had our reasons. But yeah, that was a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I'm not sure I bought any of it,
Speaker 2: but like, that was a lot of fun, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I would recommend people going on one of these trips
Speaker 2: just because it is kind of fun in some ways,
Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe something would happen at some point.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages. Are you guys
Speaker 2: still running to the neck rof stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still doing.
Speaker 4: We've got one coming up in January in Tombstone, Arizona.
Speaker 4: That'll be our first one back, I guess in a
Speaker 4: couple of years. But Tombstone is such a fun town,
Speaker 4: like it is true Old westtown, and it's the first
Speaker 4: time that the Neckgrof Tour will be in Tombstone. I
Speaker 4: think we've got five different locations that we're gonna have
Speaker 4: some different investigations going on. We've got some of the
Speaker 4: local ghost tending tour guys that are there that are
Speaker 4: going to help us with those and just hang out
Speaker 4: in Tombstone for a weekend.
Speaker 2: Oh, that sounds like fun. How cool is it? So
Speaker 2: I wasn't wrong because I don't think I had heard
Speaker 2: about any of the Nickrof tour going on lately, but
Speaker 2: you said this is the first one in a couple
Speaker 2: of years.
Speaker 3: Yep. Nick has had he and Tessa got married.
Speaker 4: They've got a couple of new babies, so they've been
Speaker 4: doing the family thing and ready to get back out
Speaker 4: on the road with the tour.
Speaker 3: So we're excited for Tombstone.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good. That makes me feel a little bit
Speaker 2: better too, because sometimes like, no, we've been doingever every
Speaker 2: month and you just don't know about a cliff and
Speaker 2: it's like, I just feel like a bad friend when
Speaker 2: I don't know things sometimes. Okay, it's back back to
Speaker 2: the line of thought here. So then you organize You
Speaker 2: helped to organize scare Fest for you did it for
Speaker 2: a number of years, and what was the next big
Speaker 2: event that you decided to undertake.
Speaker 4: The next big one would be crypted On and that's
Speaker 4: been going since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: And most of these people are people that you're now
Speaker 2: not only good friends with, but also you represent some
Speaker 2: degree like me for example, you know, like represent our
Speaker 2: interests when we negotiate for live appearances and all that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Let me ask you about a couple
Speaker 2: of these people, one in particular, one of my favorite
Speaker 2: people on the planet. And I want to know a
Speaker 2: little bit about the backstory between you and this gentleman
Speaker 2: Tom Shay, like it is legit, in my opinion, legit
Speaker 2: one of the best bigfoot investigators to ever walk the
Speaker 2: planet period. And very few people can hold a candle
Speaker 2: even close to this guy in my opinion. Tom's not
Speaker 2: on a podcast, he's not on a TV show. He's
Speaker 2: not he has a website maybe you know. And but
Speaker 2: that's about it. How did you get tangled up in
Speaker 2: Tom Shay's world?
Speaker 4: So, Jeff Waldridge, who is our other business partner and
Speaker 4: co organizer for Cryptic Con, he was already he was
Speaker 4: friends with Tom. So whenever we started doing Cryptic Cons, like,
Speaker 4: I got a local guy here that's going to make
Speaker 4: a great guess and he is, you know, Tom is amazing.
Speaker 4: Just it seems like he is out all the time
Speaker 4: in the field. He is so impressive. If you've never
Speaker 4: got to sit in on any of his talks for
Speaker 4: seingny of his past, he is the real deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah to just today. Like I'm not kidding when I
Speaker 2: say an hour and a half ago, two hours ago.
Speaker 2: I received three photographs, actually two photographs and a three
Speaker 2: D scan from Tom Shay of footprints that he recorded today,
Speaker 2: you know, and that happened last week too. Like he's
Speaker 2: out all the time. He takes notes every time he
Speaker 2: goes out, He documents, he casts footprints. He's one of
Speaker 2: the most active people around. And what a treasure, What
Speaker 2: a treasure of a person that guy is too. Did
Speaker 2: I tell you that he's a gamer that I tell
Speaker 2: this conversation with you. Yeah, his wife, Like he plays
Speaker 2: video games with his wife because that's what they'd like
Speaker 2: to do as a family. You know. They get like
Speaker 2: the little headsets on and they played some video game
Speaker 2: against each other. And this probably won't make the air
Speaker 2: or something. Matt prude, of course. And I was talking
Speaker 2: to Crystal and Tom last year about it, and Christal says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll stay up till three in the morning or sometime
Speaker 2: if I'm in a good game, and Tom goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't make it that far. I'm just too old,
Speaker 2: you know. I you should go to bed around eleven
Speaker 2: and Crystal looks at him, he goes, that's because you're
Speaker 2: a Crystal rules. I love her. Yeah, so you probably
Speaker 2: want to take that out prode of course.
Speaker 1: But listeners will have heard my patented chimp cry, which
Speaker 1: is not my patented cry. I stole that from my
Speaker 1: good friend Darryl Callier, who uses that in his edit
Speaker 1: so the podcast we used to do together. So instead
Speaker 1: of bleeping words, I just put in a chimp screaming.
Speaker 2: Very cool, very good. So so, going on on all
Speaker 2: these ghost tours and either the neck Croft thing, which
Speaker 2: of course you you help organize and run and everything,
Speaker 2: you're out in the ghost field, so to speak, kind
Speaker 2: of a lot. What are some of have you run
Speaker 2: across anything that's the truly inexplainable that you think is
Speaker 2: of the realm of ghost y paranormal stuff?
Speaker 4: So, Yeah, the longer that I have been doing this,
Speaker 4: the more skeptical I get. Do I believe that there
Speaker 4: are things that can't be explained there, that there are
Speaker 4: paranormal things, ghost things? I do, But do I believe
Speaker 4: everything that moves out of the corner of your eye,
Speaker 4: or any sound you here, or any lack of dust
Speaker 4: that you see on camera as a ghost.
Speaker 3: No, not at all. With that being said, though, I
Speaker 3: have had a couple of.
Speaker 4: Memorable experiences that I can't explain any other way, and
Speaker 4: the most I guess, the most profound one for me
Speaker 4: happened at Penhurst State School or Penhurst Asylum in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: And if you're not familiar with this location, it was
Speaker 4: there was a documentary done on it. It's called Suffer
Speaker 4: the Little Children, and this location just horrible, horrible things happened.
Speaker 3: To these people that were sent here to this place.
Speaker 4: When we first got there, just like doing the pre
Speaker 4: tour where the tour guys were showing us the different
Speaker 4: areas where we would be the next day, I walked
Speaker 4: into one building, one room, without any prompting, without any backstory.
Speaker 4: I had this overwhelming, just emotion that hit me and
Speaker 4: just pure sadness, Like I started bawling right there for
Speaker 4: no reason but other than the energy of the place
Speaker 4: was so intense. And in this one particular room, we
Speaker 4: found out that they had basically adult sized cribs that
Speaker 4: were stacked side by side by side, and these people
Speaker 4: would lay in these cribs with just enough room for
Speaker 4: a nurse to come in and administer medication or you know,
Speaker 4: feed the patients whatever. It was just a very emotional
Speaker 4: spot for me. But the next day we were in
Speaker 4: the actual event. We were the room for the building
Speaker 4: that we were in. There were different wards, so you
Speaker 4: went out of the area where we were doing our
Speaker 4: meet and greet, and I was in like the back room.
Speaker 3: If you're in this room, there's like four open they
Speaker 3: called a ward. So four open rooms.
Speaker 4: There's just doorways from one to the other, kind of
Speaker 4: like they're laid out like four corners. So I was
Speaker 4: facing the window. It's still daylight outside. I had my
Speaker 4: selfie camera up. I was fixing my makeup or something
Speaker 4: I can't remember, and so I'm looking in my camera
Speaker 4: and I see in my phone in my camera, I
Speaker 4: watch in the door way of the ward. Behind me,
Speaker 4: I see a girl pass across that open doorway.
Speaker 3: She was wearing a hospital gown.
Speaker 4: She had like dirty blonde hair, shrill, greasy stringing looking
Speaker 4: it was about elbow link.
Speaker 3: She did not look at me.
Speaker 4: She just passed like she was walking across that open
Speaker 4: doorway behind me. And so when I see this, it's,
Speaker 4: you know, it startles me, So I go I kind
Speaker 4: of gasped and when I did that, I heard a
Speaker 4: giggle coming from what would be the next word over.
Speaker 4: So immediately my first thought was somebody's back here screwing
Speaker 4: with me. And I walked over to the doorway where
Speaker 4: she had passed, and there was nobody there. I was
Speaker 4: in this room by myself, and it was like I
Speaker 4: always just I was dumbstrick. I didn't know how to
Speaker 4: explain it. All I know was that I was back
Speaker 4: there by myself. There was nobody else there, but I
Speaker 4: watched a girl walk across the doorway behind me. You're saying, well,
Speaker 4: why didn't you get your selfie camera? Why didn't you
Speaker 4: take a picture? I don't know, Jennifer, Why when you
Speaker 4: see that, that's not the first thing that comes to
Speaker 4: your mind, Like you're the first thing comes around.
Speaker 3: You're trying to figure out what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and so that that would scare the hell
Speaker 2: out of me, honestly. Okay, And now you showed me pictures.
Speaker 2: I think it was you or lead, but you, guys,
Speaker 2: I think we're there together. What's the story behind these
Speaker 2: pictures of like a cannon? I remember that's right, Maybe
Speaker 2: a Gettysburg or it's a.
Speaker 4: Pair of Al Battlefield, which is about fifteen minutes from
Speaker 4: where we live. It was the side of the largest
Speaker 4: Civil War battle in the state of Kentucky, and we
Speaker 4: used to we worked with the battlefield for several years
Speaker 4: and we would lead ghost walks down there, and then
Speaker 4: whenever they would do their re enactments every year, we
Speaker 4: would do like a ghostwok, huge ghostwalk with that. So
Speaker 4: the pictures that we had were from people that had
Speaker 4: been on one of our ghost walks, and one of
Speaker 4: them like, it looks like a Civil War soldier that
Speaker 4: is standing there. You can see he's got his hand
Speaker 4: either on the hilt of his sword or like grabbing
Speaker 4: a hold of the pail of his jacket.
Speaker 3: It's the craziest picture that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really bizarre. When you guys showed me that.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe like what I was looking at,
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm very very skeptical of everything, especially
Speaker 2: in that kind of realm or whatever, even though I've
Speaker 2: had weird experiences that I can't explain either, and it
Speaker 2: sure looked like it was legit. But again, who knows,
Speaker 2: who knows? Have you been to Gettysburg. I've heard that's
Speaker 2: a pretty spooky place.
Speaker 4: We have been to Gettysburg as just to visit Gettysburg.
Speaker 4: We've not done any events up there or anything, but again,
Speaker 4: that's one of those places like when you're out there
Speaker 4: on that battlefield, the energy is weird, like it's very
Speaker 4: it's somber. It's just I don't know, the energy feels different.
Speaker 4: And I talk about injury. I'm not a psychic, I'm
Speaker 4: not a medium. I think ninety nine point nine percent of.
Speaker 3: Them are full of shit. But I am a believer
Speaker 3: in energy. Like you can feel just when a place
Speaker 3: feels bad.
Speaker 4: Or whenever you walk into a room and you know
Speaker 4: everybody's been laughing or something, and you know you can
Speaker 4: just build a mood. The energy there is, you know,
Speaker 4: is different that the energy at Gettysburg is weird.
Speaker 2: M hmm. Is it similar to other battlefields that you've
Speaker 2: done this, these sort of things that.
Speaker 3: I would say it's similar to parable, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Now you've had a lot of some ghost experience. We've
Speaker 2: had a lot. It sounds like you've a handful of
Speaker 2: them at least on some of the tours that you've
Speaker 2: been associated with. Have you ever had something happen that
Speaker 2: would that would seem like, for lack of a better term, evil,
Speaker 2: because every once in a while on on here, because
Speaker 2: really I'm not exposed to a whole lot of paranormal
Speaker 2: things except for the podcast and when I'm on a
Speaker 2: particular gig or something like that, some speaking event where
Speaker 2: there's some some some folks out there doing stuff that
Speaker 2: I would never dream of. And and I we keep
Speaker 2: running across people that say, oh, yeah, I'm a demonologist,
Speaker 2: and I just think, like, what the hell are you
Speaker 2: doing unintended? Like like what why? Like why in the
Speaker 2: world would why would you dance with something like that?
Speaker 2: I just don't get it personally, but I guess teach
Speaker 2: their own right. I prefer giant apes, but Bo's not
Speaker 2: here right now. But have you ever run across anything
Speaker 2: like that, It's like something you just went like, holy smokes,
Speaker 2: I really ought not to be doing this.
Speaker 3: No, but again, that's not what you know.
Speaker 4: I think there's people that they go out looking for
Speaker 4: the negative, they go out looking for the evil or
Speaker 4: you know, whatever they want to call a demon.
Speaker 3: That's not That's not what I'm looking you know, that's
Speaker 3: not what my intent is. Whenever I go out.
Speaker 4: It's more, you know, like, yeah, you're gonna have You're
Speaker 4: gonna have me, you know, like grumpy spirits. I guess
Speaker 4: because people are you have grumpy people. So wouldn't it
Speaker 4: makes sense that whenever you pass on, you're still an asshole.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 4: But as far as like anything that would consider debonic, now,
Speaker 4: I've never come across any of that. But again, I'm
Speaker 4: not going out you know, saying hey, demon, come get me,
Speaker 4: which some people do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't understand that. Stay tuned for more
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
Speaker 2: back after these messages. Now, I also know that you've
Speaker 2: been out big footing a handful of times. Can you
Speaker 2: tell us about some of those stories?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So we Actually the first time I ever went bigfooting
Speaker 4: was with Tom Shay and Charlie Raymond. We were up
Speaker 4: at somewhere that Tom had taken us to and we
Speaker 4: had it sounded like a limb or a stick or
Speaker 4: a branch, like something was being like coming through the
Speaker 4: woods at us, like being grown at us. And then
Speaker 4: you know, Jeff was with us and he sprained his ankle,
Speaker 4: so that trip got cut short. But just the fact
Speaker 4: that it sounds like there's some enormous creature coming through
Speaker 4: the trees toward you was to me that's scarier and
Speaker 4: a ghost could ever be Really Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 4: a physical creature is going to do me more harm
Speaker 4: than a ghost.
Speaker 2: Maybe just physical harm, but I think it's the other
Speaker 2: kind of harm that's scarier. I think. So you didn't
Speaker 2: see this. You just heard something coming through the woods
Speaker 2: and it sounded like something that was thrown at you.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah, either thrown or just like rushing. Maybe did they rush?
Speaker 4: I think that kind of sound like it was Russians.
Speaker 2: Well, there's bigfoots in Russia.
Speaker 3: I missed your dad jokes.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll be together again next weekend, so that'll be
Speaker 2: kind of fun. That'll be good to touch base with
Speaker 2: you guys again. It's been too long. But is that
Speaker 2: the only time you've been bigfooting?
Speaker 4: So that's the only time we've you know, like been
Speaker 4: out on an actual, you know, a bigfoot hunt. The
Speaker 4: house that we used to live in, we had owned
Speaker 4: twenty five acres of woods, and I heard.
Speaker 3: Some stuff down there that I cannot explain.
Speaker 4: I think I sent you the link to it because
Speaker 4: I'm not a YouTuber, I used it as a means
Speaker 4: to upload that.
Speaker 1: I will put the link to that YouTube video and
Speaker 1: the show notes there for the listeners. So just head
Speaker 1: to the show notes of the episode and click that
Speaker 1: to hear the.
Speaker 2: How Yeah, I remember, I liked it. There's coyotes and
Speaker 2: then something else is in there? Is that the only
Speaker 2: time you ever heard anything at your property? Because I
Speaker 2: know you lived in rural Kentucky for a long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that was That was actually the second or
Speaker 4: third time the first time that I ever heard anything.
Speaker 3: It was I think mid to late fall.
Speaker 4: And we have a cat that she comes out of
Speaker 4: hiding maybe once a day to eat.
Speaker 3: But for some reason the cat got outside.
Speaker 4: She's an inside cat, so she had gotten outside and
Speaker 4: she was out there for like two or three days,
Speaker 4: and I would catch her on our security camera at
Speaker 4: not like she would.
Speaker 3: Come up for the porch.
Speaker 4: Of course, we were in bed, so wouldn't know until
Speaker 4: go next morning. So one evening it was right around
Speaker 4: dust Mason and I were on the back porch and
Speaker 4: I was calling for I was actually meowing. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to recreate that like I could meow and I
Speaker 4: could hear her in the woods like me, yowing back
Speaker 4: at me, and then Mason and I both heard. He
Speaker 4: said he heard a either like a knock or a
Speaker 4: branch break or something.
Speaker 3: First I didn't hear that, but I.
Speaker 4: Heard a very loud, very agitated browl.
Speaker 3: That's what it sounded like.
Speaker 4: And we had lived there long enough, like I knew
Speaker 4: every donkey or cow because it was farm land around us,
Speaker 4: so I was very familiar with any other animal that
Speaker 4: was out there, and this was not any animal that
Speaker 4: I had ever heard. It sounded like a mixture of
Speaker 4: a lion and a maybe a monkey.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That was scary.
Speaker 2: Well, you're safe now, right. You moved a little bit
Speaker 2: closer to town.
Speaker 3: I'm a city girl now, very good.
Speaker 2: So I know you have the Tombstone event coming up
Speaker 2: and obviously Cryptid CONC. What can you tell us about
Speaker 2: the Cryptied con What can we look forward to next weekend?
Speaker 3: Oh, we have a full lineup.
Speaker 4: We're going to have presentations all day both Saturday and
Speaker 4: starting at the doors open at ten am, and we've
Speaker 4: got lectures going all day both days, and we've got
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of people from the Bigfoot community
Speaker 4: as well. As a couple of the paranormal people too.
Speaker 3: We have Brian Murray and Rachelle Stratton.
Speaker 4: They're from the Anti ghost Hunters, great people, they are
Speaker 4: so much fun to be around.
Speaker 3: So we incorporate a little bit of true dedicated.
Speaker 4: Boots on the ground researchers as well as, you know,
Speaker 4: some of the more fun entertainment side of the paranormal
Speaker 4: and big putting, because we want our event to be
Speaker 4: something for everybody there. So whether you are you know,
Speaker 4: if you want to truly learn about the field and
Speaker 4: about what research is going on.
Speaker 3: We have that.
Speaker 4: If you just want to get out and meet people
Speaker 4: that you've seen on TV, we've got people for that.
Speaker 3: Plus we have so many amazing vendors.
Speaker 4: I think I'm as proud of our vendors as I
Speaker 4: am of our lineup. We've got some of the best
Speaker 4: artists that their main focus is cryptid art.
Speaker 1: If I could brag on you guys for a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, I've done a lot of events over the years,
Speaker 1: even before I got into sasquatchry, playing music all over
Speaker 1: the place, and so I know how awkward and weird
Speaker 1: things can be sometimes. You know, we've all had the
Speaker 1: experiences that run the gamut. I'm sure Cliff has two
Speaker 1: playing music and doing events. But Crypti Con is so
Speaker 1: much fun every year. This will be the fourth year
Speaker 1: that I've done it. And I think that starts with
Speaker 1: you and Lee and Jeff, is that there's very much
Speaker 1: a friendly family vibe. And because you're so close with
Speaker 1: all the talent, you know so many of the speakers
Speaker 1: you work with, everyone feels like familiar friends. I love
Speaker 1: the fact that it's all under the same roof, and
Speaker 1: so it's like we're all kind of collectively hanging out
Speaker 1: for a number of days. You know, not just the speakers,
Speaker 1: but also the patrons. You know the attendees as well,
Speaker 1: and so it's such a positive experience. Everyone's super friendly.
Speaker 1: You guys run such a great show. It's always the
Speaker 1: most positive of time. I get so much great catch
Speaker 1: up and social time hanging out with friends there. The
Speaker 1: crowd's always super attentive, but I will say you have
Speaker 1: the best vendors, Like I always love walking around and
Speaker 1: just the raw talent in that room. So many of
Speaker 1: those artists are unbelievable and it's always super cool to see.
Speaker 1: And so you do an excellent job of putting so
Speaker 1: much under one roof, and I think there's very few
Speaker 1: events where people could come in and just get so
Speaker 1: much out of it, from the expertise of the speakers
Speaker 1: or getting the chance to meet and speak with people
Speaker 1: that they want to talk to, to the camaraderie and
Speaker 1: the friendship and the exposure to all that great art.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a super positive event.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. That's what we try to do.
Speaker 4: We want it to feel almost like it's a family
Speaker 4: reunion where everybody's getting together once a year to you know.
Speaker 3: Chit chat, just hang out.
Speaker 4: We do like to keep people busy, but we also
Speaker 4: we don't want to just cram it so full of back, back,
Speaker 4: back back stuff that you don't get a chance to
Speaker 4: hang out.
Speaker 3: So that's feed back to here. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Oh it's absolutely well deserved. I mean I mean it
Speaker 1: because I've traveled all over and done a lot of
Speaker 1: events of all different sorts and this is one of
Speaker 1: the most positive ones. And I will say on a
Speaker 1: selfish level, you always have the best green room catering,
Speaker 1: which I greatly appreciate.
Speaker 3: I'm taking request. I'm booking catering right now, so you
Speaker 3: let me know, if there's anything.
Speaker 1: You want, Cliff will tell you. I'm highly food motivated,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't take much to make me super happy.
Speaker 2: He's like a labrador in some ways, So I understand that.
Speaker 2: Did they finish the renovation of the hotel?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the well, it's finished for now. We're hoping
Speaker 4: that they will be adding on in the future. I
Speaker 4: don't know if that's going to be, you know, soon
Speaker 4: enough for our liking, but Jeff, for now it's done.
Speaker 3: We've just outgrown the Clarion.
Speaker 4: I mean they are It's the Clarion Hotel and Conference
Speaker 4: Center in Lexington is where the event is held, and
Speaker 4: their staff is wonderful to work with.
Speaker 3: But we are busting at the scenes. I think I
Speaker 3: had forty two vendors on a waiting list this year, Like,
Speaker 3: that's forty two more people that I could give a
Speaker 3: table to if I had the space. But we just
Speaker 3: don't have the room there.
Speaker 4: So at some point we're going to have to, you know,
Speaker 4: figure out do we want to take this up to
Speaker 4: the next level and go bigger with it or are
Speaker 4: we kind of happy where we're at. I just hate
Speaker 4: turning people away, like hate turning vendors away.
Speaker 3: That's my biggest my biggest regrant.
Speaker 2: Is it the same venue as the last couple of years? Yeah, okay, good. Well.
Speaker 2: The reason I ask is because there's that very very
Speaker 2: long tile hallway, you know, that kind of connects the
Speaker 2: two rooms.
Speaker 3: And the groundhog lives out there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, the ground I was. I kicked myself
Speaker 2: in the butt pretty hard last year because I'm going
Speaker 2: to do it this year. That hallway, to me just
Speaker 2: screams super Bowls. I got to throw super balls down
Speaker 2: that thing, because it's like one hundred feet long at least,
Speaker 2: it's tile on all sides. And I can think of
Speaker 2: very much that I would probably enjoy more than like
Speaker 2: three or four or five, six, seven, twenty Super Bawls
Speaker 2: being thrown up and down that hallway.
Speaker 3: Bring them all, Bring all the super Bowls.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do that. I'm totally going to do that.
Speaker 2: And if super Bowls aren't enough fun, someone we didn't
Speaker 2: even mention is going to be there. We haven't really
Speaker 2: gone over the guests at all, and I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the guest list now and I gotta admit I don't
Speaker 2: know who most these people are, which probably means we're
Speaker 2: on TV. You know, I don't really know who any
Speaker 2: of these people are because I'm blessed with with no
Speaker 2: desire to watch television whatsoever. But Renee's going to be
Speaker 2: there this year. Bright Renee Holland from Finding Bigfoot. I
Speaker 2: do know her. She's going to be there. But and
Speaker 2: besides Matt Prude of course, and Tom Shay, there's actually
Speaker 2: we've had a lot of these people on his guests
Speaker 2: on the on the podcast here. I mean, we've had
Speaker 2: Charlie Raymond, he's going to be there. We've had Joe Purdue,
Speaker 2: he's going to be there from Weird and Wild West Virginia.
Speaker 2: And of course Tom Shay's been on as well. Matt
Speaker 2: Prut's on every time. He's going to be there. Mark Murcell,
Speaker 2: Mark Murcell, what what a treasure? The human species is
Speaker 2: better because Mark Mercell is a member of it. God,
Speaker 2: I love that guy.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see him again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Mark Marcel is legit the guy who
Speaker 2: rediscovered the Ape Canyon site, the Ape Canyon Cabin site.
Speaker 2: Of course, he spearheaded that whole thing all along. He
Speaker 2: discovered it back in twenty thirteen. Fantastic fantastic researcher. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've got the Mountain Monster dudes on there. They're gonna
Speaker 2: be fantastic. I love all those guys. Do you have
Speaker 2: a favorite Mountain Monster. I mean, I certainly don't. As
Speaker 2: hard to kneel it down, I can't.
Speaker 4: That's like picking my favorite kid. I do, but I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna say it out loud.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose I'm partial to Wild Bill. I'll say it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all super nice guys. But you know, I've done
Speaker 1: the most events with Bill, and then this last event
Speaker 1: that we did with him in Ohio, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we got deep on some subjects and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: and we're we're more kindred spirits. You know that, I thought,
Speaker 1: So I'd love that dude. Just so much positivity.
Speaker 3: I can take Bill in small doses.
Speaker 1: But he's so positive and so enthusiastic. And you know
Speaker 1: what really impresses me more than anything, because I've never
Speaker 1: watched Mountain Monsters. I'm kind of like Cliff, I don't
Speaker 1: watch a lot of that television, but watching those guys
Speaker 1: interact with fans is so overwhelmingly positive and pretty inspiring
Speaker 1: to see because I could just tell from the first
Speaker 1: events I did with him, Like people really love them.
Speaker 1: They love that show and the amount of time and
Speaker 1: energy that they put into making sure that like every
Speaker 1: person sort of gets what they want out of the interactions,
Speaker 1: and I can just see the effect it has on
Speaker 1: those people. And again, just doing events for as many
Speaker 1: years as I have around the country in different forms,
Speaker 1: like that's an exceedingly rare quality which is very sad
Speaker 1: and frustrating to see. And so I make a point
Speaker 1: to tell Bill, like, man, you are so good to people,
Speaker 1: and that really makes my heart warm because and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we'd be nothing without them, we'd have nothing.
Speaker 1: And so I want to make sure everyone, you know,
Speaker 1: gets time and gets what they want out of the interaction.
Speaker 1: And that's just such a positive thing to see. So
Speaker 1: I was won over very quickly by the Mountain Monster
Speaker 1: guys they have.
Speaker 4: They've got the most insane fan base, Like they are
Speaker 4: so popular with their fans, and that's why. It's because
Speaker 4: what you see on their show, I mean that's exactly.
Speaker 4: It's like you feel like there's somebody that you could
Speaker 4: go hang out with because when you're in their presence,
Speaker 4: like you're just it's like you're part of the show.
Speaker 3: And they are. They're so good with their fans.
Speaker 4: Like you said, you know, it is rare, it's rare
Speaker 4: to see and ed I've done so many events with them,
Speaker 4: and it's like that every single time, like they are,
Speaker 4: they are, their fans are their one and only main focus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I first heard of the heard, caught a
Speaker 2: little bit of their show, and number I've seen a
Speaker 2: couple episodes, now only after I had met them, of course.
Speaker 2: But at the beginning, I'm thinking, what are these guys,
Speaker 2: these are bs ors, these actors doing this this nonsense,
Speaker 2: you know, tearing down the subject that I love so much.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the hell you know? But and then
Speaker 2: I did a gig out. I did Eric Altman's gig
Speaker 2: out in Pennsylvania, another great event by the way, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be going on next year, his camp bigfoot camp
Speaker 2: out thing that he does. And they were at the
Speaker 2: booth next to me. I had Meldrum on one side
Speaker 2: of me and then the Mountain Monsters on the other side, right,
Speaker 2: So it was very interesting contrasts there in lots of ways.
Speaker 2: But when I saw those guys interacting with their fans
Speaker 2: and singing Happy Birthday to every single person that was
Speaker 2: appropriate to sing it to and maybe some people that
Speaker 2: it wasn't. And then like when like little boys and
Speaker 2: girls would come up and they would just treat them
Speaker 2: like kings and queens, you know, and then thinking they
Speaker 2: won me over very quickly, and then I met him.
Speaker 2: Then I met him and one of them, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to tell you who happened to have cooked up
Speaker 2: some moonshine just recently. So I shared a little bit
Speaker 2: of that with them, and they were just and I realized,
Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god, the most surprising thing
Speaker 2: in the world has just happened. They're not actors. Unbelievable,
Speaker 2: and that's actually them, you know. And like every good
Speaker 2: TV show hosts, they just basically turn it up to
Speaker 2: eleven when the camera's on. You know, I do the
Speaker 2: same thing. That's what TV's fo right, Teacher Cliff is
Speaker 2: what I always call that, you know, because it's the
Speaker 2: same thing I did with my students when I was
Speaker 2: teaching fifth grade. You just turn it up, You just
Speaker 2: turn up your enthusiasm and you love what you're doing.
Speaker 2: And that's what they do. And the ironic part, to me,
Speaker 2: the ironic part yes, because they're they're chasing the you know,
Speaker 2: the West VIRGINI you know what is it a snaggle
Speaker 2: grass or whatever on sense that they're out there looking
Speaker 2: at looking for you know, whatever there where the wild
Speaker 2: things are monster that they think is in the woods
Speaker 2: in their particular area. But they every single one of them,
Speaker 2: except for Jeff I think, has actually put eyes on
Speaker 2: a sasquatch before. If I remember right, Huckleberry has seen
Speaker 2: him twice. Yeah, like they're they're really interested in the subject.
Speaker 2: I don't know if actually think about it. I don't
Speaker 2: know if Bucket's seen one. I know that he had
Speaker 2: found really big footprints while he's turkey hunting at one point.
Speaker 2: So like they've all and of course Jeff is also
Speaker 2: wet experiences as well. I just don't think he's put
Speaker 2: his eyes on one. But they've all had experiences. So yeah,
Speaker 2: they're actually out there doing it in some of the
Speaker 2: best habitat in the country, you know that that little
Speaker 2: corner there with you know, Southeast Ohio, West Virginia and
Speaker 2: all that sort of jazz with them.
Speaker 4: I know they get a lot of flack for that,
Speaker 4: but in mind, I have said this from day one,
Speaker 4: like kids love them.
Speaker 3: They love their show.
Speaker 4: What if a kid that grows up watching Mountain Monsters
Speaker 4: and develops his interests in sasquatch research because of that show,
Speaker 4: and that's the kid that goes on to provide irrefutable
Speaker 4: grouit like what because they watch Mountain.
Speaker 2: Monsters exactly exactly? And that that's kind of where I
Speaker 2: did a full circleum came around to that. You know,
Speaker 2: as much as some of the shows make me cringe
Speaker 2: a bit or whatever, at least it's inspiring the next generation.
Speaker 2: And you know what, like cartoons are expired inspiring as
Speaker 2: well in some ways, so like there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: that at all. And these guys they know what, they
Speaker 2: know what they're doing. They are they are entertainers, and
Speaker 2: they supply a fantastic product to a lot of people
Speaker 2: who absolutely love them. And honestly, I'm one of them now.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love these guys. And now that I met
Speaker 2: them and have hung out with them, I watched their
Speaker 2: show and I'll tell you I love their show. Now.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't watch it because I don't watch
Speaker 2: any TV, but I've seen like four or five of
Speaker 2: them now, which is for me. I mean, that's great.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's a lot of episodes for me
Speaker 2: to have watched of anything. And you know when Melissa,
Speaker 2: Melissa and I sat down, I forget it must have
Speaker 2: been probably about two years ago, three years ago. Melissa
Speaker 2: I finally, yeah, let let wild Bill talk to Melissa
Speaker 2: and then so she fall in love as well with
Speaker 2: these guys. And when we got home, we watched it
Speaker 2: and like everything they do is like, all right, guys,
Speaker 2: let's try that. Hell yeah, hell yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 2: go get it done or whatever they're all yelling about.
Speaker 2: And Melissa's big takeaway, He's like, oh, are so encouraging
Speaker 2: to one another. It's like, yeah, how sweet? How sweet?
Speaker 2: And they are a bunch of sweethearts. Man. I just
Speaker 2: love them all. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
Speaker 2: with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Okay.
Speaker 2: Then there's other people of course, Mariah and Russ from
Speaker 2: the Expedition Bigfoot Show, they're going to come out. They're
Speaker 2: going to be there as well. It looks like we
Speaker 2: have a representative from Expedition.
Speaker 3: X Jessica Showbot.
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. That's one of those
Speaker 2: Josh Gates spin off shows I think, isn't it it is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, she also did. She is big with gamers, like
Speaker 4: she was. That's what she kind of got started out
Speaker 4: was with the gaming community. So she's got a pretty
Speaker 4: good following as well, just from different you know, not
Speaker 4: necessarily just the Expedition X type stuff, but.
Speaker 3: Other things as well. She's going to be there.
Speaker 4: And then Thomas Winterton from Skinwalker Ranch Secrets of Skinwaller
Speaker 4: Skinker Ranch.
Speaker 2: A lot of people love that show man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's popular. And then personally, uh, Georgio Suklos
Speaker 3: from Ancient Aliens. I'm not saying his Aliens but oh.
Speaker 2: Right, right, yeah, the guy and all the memes. I
Speaker 2: didn't know who that was. I didn't know who the
Speaker 2: guy and all the memes was until this event.
Speaker 4: Actually I met him at an event in Tennessee a
Speaker 4: year or so ago. He is a super nice guy, like,
Speaker 4: he's another one that takes time with his fans.
Speaker 3: So we're excited to have him out as well.
Speaker 2: And that his show was The Aliens one, right, the
Speaker 2: Ancient Ancient Aliens Is that still running? Is that on still?
Speaker 2: I'm want to ask you that, Okay, I I don't
Speaker 2: know either so yes it is or no it's not.
Speaker 2: That's up to you now, editor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just say yes and no that I'll pick whatood.
Speaker 2: You'll never know.
Speaker 1: It's always on in people's hearts. We'll leave it at that.
Speaker 4: Number of episodes, one hundred and sixty four episodes. First
Speaker 4: episode was March eight, the two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: Golly wow, that's a long time. And we did one
Speaker 2: hundred episodes and I thought that was a long time.
Speaker 2: That's insane, unbelievable. So yeah, quite the lineup. Anyway. There's
Speaker 2: something here for everybody, from absolutely everybody. You got aliens,
Speaker 2: you have bigfoot stuff. I know that Joe Purdues and
Speaker 2: all sorts of wacky things down there in West Virginia.
Speaker 2: You know, there's something here for everybody. For the serious
Speaker 2: die hard I'm going to document this sort of research
Speaker 2: to the entertainment industry and everywhere in between. Fantastic man,
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to this. So tell everybody, I guess, well,
Speaker 2: before we leave the cryptid con things I do, I
Speaker 2: want to give you an opportunity to tell us some
Speaker 2: things that are coming up in the not so near
Speaker 2: future maybe, but so where and when and how much
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff, and where can people
Speaker 2: learn a little bit more about it? I know you
Speaker 2: mentioned it, but let's we'll give it to him now.
Speaker 4: So cryptid Con is going to be November twenty third
Speaker 4: and twenty fourth. It's the week before Thanksgiving at the
Speaker 4: Clarion Hotel and Conference Center in Lexington, Kentucky. Pre sale
Speaker 4: tickets are still available online and at scryptedpn dot com,
Speaker 4: but we will be selling them at the door as well,
Speaker 4: but prices do go up, So if you're listening to
Speaker 4: this before November twenty third, get your tickets online and
Speaker 4: save some cash.
Speaker 2: Very good. And what about in the not like in
Speaker 2: the not so immediate future, because that's just this coming
Speaker 2: weekend here. Do you have anything else plan that we
Speaker 2: should know about?
Speaker 3: I think it probably just.
Speaker 4: The next thing that we have coming up will be
Speaker 4: the Nick Croft Tour or the Groft Tour event with
Speaker 4: Nick and Tessa and Tombstone in January, and you can
Speaker 4: find that at Creepy Talent dot com. That's our creepy
Speaker 4: people management website. But other than that, I think we
Speaker 4: might have a few weeks off, just some downtime.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2: Actually, Oh my god, what are you gonna do with that?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna enjoy Christmas.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Christmas is kind of a big deal
Speaker 2: in the the Kirkland household, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: It is fantastic, all right, Jennifer, Well, thank you very
Speaker 2: much for coming on Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: usually Bobo and very often Matt sitting in. We really
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Any of our podcast is getting longer every time.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I missed you. I'm really looking forward
Speaker 2: to seeing you next weekend. Thank you very much for
Speaker 2: everything you've done for me and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: and not the least of which is turning me on
Speaker 2: to my favorite bourbon basil Hayden. Yeah. If it wasn't
Speaker 2: for you, I'd still be drinking you know, snot water.
Speaker 3: I'll we'll have a fresh bottle for.
Speaker 2: Very good. And I'm always looking for recommendations too, So
Speaker 2: if you have another one for me, I completely trust
Speaker 2: your taste. You can send me in the right direction
Speaker 2: on that one. All right, everybody? That was it? That
Speaker 2: was Jennifer Kirkland from Creepy People Management. She's the brains
Speaker 2: behind cryptid Con and a variety of other events, including
Speaker 2: the The Groft Tour, previously known as a Nick Groft Tour.
Speaker 2: Nick Groff, of course, is a friend of ours. He's
Speaker 2: been on the podcast before. So if you're into anything
Speaker 2: ghosty or paranormal or bigfooty or anything like that, keep
Speaker 2: your eyes on creepy people, because there's always something coming
Speaker 2: down the pipe. So perhaps I'll see some of you
Speaker 2: listeners out there at cryptocon and maybe Matt will as well. Matt,
Speaker 2: you want to do the honors of getting us out
Speaker 2: of here since we're missing a bogo right now.
Speaker 1: Alrighty folks, until next time, you know what to do.
Speaker 1: Keep it squatchy.
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