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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on. Thank
you for telling a friend. That's how we spread the
word about the pirate ship. Oh, the future Billy Buffalo
is in the studio.
Speaker 1: His name is Dan. Do you see they're auditioning for
Billy Buffalo. Oh no, they are, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
they're auditioning for a new Billy Buffalo.
Speaker 4: Why would happened to the old one?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's only thirty two of those jobs to the NFL.
I think should Should I get out of here and
drive the Buffalo?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: I'd be a great Billy Buffalo.
Speaker 1: I know this.
Speaker 4: This Billy Buffalo's been pretty bland and boring. I already
loses like two pounds a day of training camp. I'm
not joking.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 4: When I was a Bill's intern, they said he averaged
losing because it was so hot and that. But back
then training camp was a month long. They had double
sessions and he lost about two pounds a day.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So I mean, if you want to lose weight and
get paid, yeah, Billy Buffalo might be the way to go.
Speaker 1: Getting down for summer baby bus Hbo hard knocks, Doe
shit kevalev Christier.
Speaker 4: Billy Buffalo has been the Buffalo Bill's lexicon since nineteen
ninety nine.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I saw that and I go, oh, Damny,
that would be a cool joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think Matt Reese tagged Mark Killman. Yeah, he'd be a
great he'd be a great Billy Buffalo. I don't know.
I think I think he.
Speaker 4: Beate, like flipping off McDermott in the game. You'd take
off his hell butt start throwing it.
Speaker 1: That's funny, Come on, that's funny. I don't know how
long we'll go tonight. I apologize. I have not been
a feeling well and I normally don't really get run
down or sick, and but I moved.
Speaker 4: It. And so, wow, have you taken the glutamine like
I told you? No, it helps, It builds back your mico.
I believe that, but I've been I've been taking a
lot of it because I've been to so many funerals
now everybody's like, I'm sorry, the coffee breath in your face,
Eventually you're gonna get sick. So I've been taking it.
I've been fine.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know what happened. I got run down.
Place is still a mess. Things are not away. I
went right, you know, I've had other things I needed
to do, and today even I went home and took
a nap. I think I still have BedHead. I was
just like burned out, just like kind of cooked. And
it's one of these things with the move that I
almost feel bad saying this, But my son Jordan came
over to help me, and it was more at that
point just cleaning out, like cleaning the oven, that sort
of thing. And Jordan's like, Dad, you got a lot
of grease on that door. He goes, I'll take care
of it. And he goes. He takes takes out some
baking soda, takes out some vinegar, and he really scrubbed it.
But then he was at, you know, hey, what can
I do? So I said, go over to the new
place and just take the shower curtain and put it
in this in the master bathroom, just put it in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: Well that was part of the thing. I cannot share anymore.
I can't, So I said, just go over there and
and hang this. I go this, I said, you'll be
able to tell just by looking at it. One side's
the outside curtain. One side is the inside shower liner.
It's not a plastic liner. It's one that I can
wash and stuff and I do that once a month.
I wash all that. So I get to my new place,
I walk into the bathroom. The shower liner is on
the outside, is on the outside.
Speaker 4: And I know these guys not accustomed to having shower liners.
Speaker 1: Is that? What? Well? Fuck they of course they are. Well,
I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would just Phil Sherman once when remember that time
that me, Phil and Lumpy went to uh and Pat
went to Toronto for the World Baseball Classic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Phil Sherman had never been accustomed to showering with a
shower lining, so he let the shower lining outside the
tub and all the water flooded the floor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know you could do that. That's what
it was. It was supposed to be out.
Speaker 4: No, it's supposed to catch the water and go drain
into the tub. Right, that's a mistake I made when
I was twelve, so I I not thirty.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so then I go in there and I said, buddy,
he goes, I'll fix it. Fix it. He goes back.
Now on the top, the goats on the rod, the
clips that I have have small ball bearings. Okay, so
it can roll back and forth nice and easily. Right,
they're still upside down and all twists, And I go,
how does this intelligent person?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: I go, how in the FD? I was shocked? I was.
I actually got to know, and I shouldn't say anything,
but I'm like that, just do it.
Speaker 4: Like, so, have you ever heard of the hot crazy
index when it comes to women. Yes, okay, there's the
same thing with it. There's a common sense index when
it comes to smart people. The smarter you are, the
less common sense you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this guy's got common sense. I think it
was just like rushing not caring. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I have no idea because my wife tells me that,
you know, for a smart person, I don't know about
you sometimes and then she'll show the common sense where
I've screwed up, like, oh, oh, that makes more sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I was kind of like like a liner outside the
shower type.
Speaker 1: I was, well, this was the shower curtain on the inside,
lining the tub and the shower liner. And I go, he,
I couldn't tell what was what. I'm like, you can't
tell what's what. It's not plastic, it's a cloth one,
but it it's a whatever, Yeah, just a nicer. And
I'm like, I'm looking at this stuff. And those were
the things that are frustrating me. And then I've been
battling like this summer cold. And I think I earlier
and maybe last night I was running a fever. I
could not get I could not get cool enough. This
morning I took I felt like I was sweating all morning,
took a shower, everything in sweating, a lot of that
going around. I loaded up on vitamin C, garlic, ginger, lemon,
crushed it all up, put it in there to cayenne pepper.
Then I took decongested. Then I took advil, then I
took tail and all and I felt great, and off
I went. And then I started to doze off. So
I took a red Bull dumb and then I wait
and went again. Danny that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I can totally see
like they like we've talked before the show, like moving
is one of the five most stressful moments of your life.
And you said after I went through them that you've
been through all of them.
Speaker 1: Well it's funny because you ever see those lists of
how many points did you score? Like you ever shoplift whatever?
They have this list of things throughout your life, traveled here,
been there? And I usually score fairly low on the.
Speaker 4: Me too, broken a bone?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't think I have broken a bone.
Speaker 4: I've never broken a bone.
Speaker 1: So I might have like a low score. But when
Dan's listening to that's what I was thinking of it. Oh,
I've hit all those. Yeah, I've hit all those divorce.
Speaker 4: Like divorce, moving, switching jobs, or getting fired, death of
a family.
Speaker 1: Member and not really yet what was what was the
other one?
Speaker 4: But I mean those are most of them. I mentioned divorce, right, Yeah,
that's almost like two. So I mean, you know, gar
getting married.
Speaker 1: So I called Danny the other day having a kid.
Did I say that? No, No you didn't, Okay, so
having a kid, yeah I did. I called Danny the
other day and I did not know.
Speaker 4: How did I not know because you've been distracted? Yeah,
but I was at my grandmother's funeral reception.
Speaker 1: I go, I caught your I go.
Speaker 4: This gotta be important. Billies. Billie gotta pretty stressed out.
Speaker 1: What day was this?
Speaker 4: Monday?
Speaker 1: Monday?
Speaker 4: It was poor and at least it wasn't in Silver Creek.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it rained on and off here, but I had
movers come. They were done moving the furniture by eleven.
We were done. It wasn't that dirty, so you were
able to clean it pretty easily and just get everything out.
So I think I was done to.
Speaker 4: Who you talk to, Billy? Okay, what happened?
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know that that was I don't know how. Yeah,
but I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't publicize this stuff.
Speaker 1: I wish you had sent me a text.
Speaker 4: No, that's okay, I did, I'll call you back.
Speaker 1: I no, But then you call me back. Hey, Hey,
we're just cleaning up from my grandmother's funeral, and I'm like, whoa,
what was I calling to see if you could come
in on a Tuesday? Yeah? Yeah, I was going to
not do something I know you'll never like. And then
I bailed. Yeah, but I would not have called you.
That is not an important thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you call me what I'm up there reading like
Paul's Letter to the Corinthians. Not just joking. That was really.
This was at the reception. This was at the reception afterwards.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I felt terrible. But how how was the family?
Everybody all right? Not all right, but I mean as
best you can be.
Speaker 4: I think death took it worse than anybody. And she
only met my grandmother once, I think, because her father
passed away. So now this is the first funeral that
she's at since. So funny story. So we're at the
funeral and my sister and I were asked to do reading.
So she did a reading from the Book of Isaiah.
I did a reading from First Corinthids. So my sister
and I are sitting at the end, and there's my wife.
Then there's my brother in law, my sister's husband, with
the two kids, and one is I think seven or eight,
and the other one is about to turn four. And
the four year old is talking and acting up and
being what a four year not bad? But so after
we get done reading, I look at my sister, Hey
says that you want you want to move down to
your husband, he wants next to it. She looks down
the aisle and sees my nephew with his feet up,
laying on the pew with.
Speaker 1: His feet up on the back the broom.
Speaker 4: No, no, on my brother in law's shoulders. My niece
is literally picking her nose at.
Speaker 1: This point, and my sister leans Backay, no, I'm good.
Speaker 4: I need a break from these kids.
Speaker 1: You know he can handle it for now.
Speaker 4: I have enough stress in my life.
Speaker 1: I saw an article today called Mom's Libido. I guess
this woman has gone viral on TikTok because she does
a how'd she do it? Okay, so many husbands say
their wife has a non existent libido. So take that
story you just told, hold that in your head, and
then this one goes hours of sleep plus number of
real meals eaten while seated, multiply that by partner support,
Divide the number of annoying comments he made. Divide that
by the number one minus the number of times touched
by children equals mom's libido. And I just think your
sister feed up. The other one's picking her nose talking.
It's already a stressed.
Speaker 4: And the kid and her son goes, I'm gonna take
a nap. That's the Catholic Church. You're in the right place.
Speaker 1: That's very, very funny.
Speaker 4: Like they pulled up the things the kneelon. I don't
even know what those are called. I'm a Baptist. I
don't know what those are. But those neil pew those
things your kneel on. Ye bye bye. Nephew goes to
stand on, like, no, check, you can't do that. You
can't stand what it's a matter. He's like, I want
to see.
Speaker 1: I think kids stand there somewhat. Yeah, that's uh, that's funny. Well,
I I know you guys have had a lot, you
and Beth recently, Yeah, she said a lot.
Speaker 4: And then somebody at the funeral, like my father in
law's funeral recently died his memorial services, like, well, you're
gonna be hearing this on the Thursday is today. I mean,
she's just like been just it's one after anoe. It
works been stressful for both of us. I mean, it's
it's been tough. It's been tough. I'm not gonna lie, man,
it's it's been tough, and it takes a lot out
of you and you try to stay exercising and you stay,
you know, you know, spent a lot of time praying
and everything, but it could be stressful.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: It takes and you won't admit it, but it takes
its toll on you. It takes this toll. And I
don't think I've even grieved yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean she lived ninety eight years, but because
of a certain fraction in the family that happened in
the late or the early two thousands, like about a
month before nine to eleven, you know, yeah, we had
our own nine to eleven, she had like lost certain
grandkids that she never saw again, you know. And it's like,
holy cow, and we're coming up on like eighteen years
since we lost my dad.
Speaker 1: It's just it's been a lot, Yeah, it has, you know.
Speaker 4: So, I mean it's just been I mean, I'm okay
like my father, you know, I've gotten used to the
fact that he's been gone, But it's just been a
ton you know, Like the month of June, Like there's
three months in the of the year. If we could
avoid these three months, we're good. March, June, in October
that's when everybody dies in our family.
Speaker 1: It's one of those three months.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so, but I mean, it's just you know,
getting over the probably I spoke about my grandmother.
Speaker 1: She didn't want a eulogy. She didn't want a eulogy
at all. She didn't want she wanted she was ninety eight, right,
that's true.
Speaker 4: But she made her funeral plans when she was sixty.
We have a picture of her standing next to her
monument at the cemetery taking a picture, like smiling, like
I got my funeral plot. I'm good.
Speaker 1: She paid for everything ahead of time. But this was
like twenty years ago. She was ready to go a
long time ago. Well, if it was if she was sixty,
it's almost forty years ago. Oh yeah, oh yeah, ninety eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I because well she didn't get the
monument until about two thousand and two thousand and five,
something like that.
Speaker 1: Twenty years.
Speaker 4: But she's like taking a picture next to her monument.
She had a sense of human She was Irish, one
hundred percent Irish.
Speaker 1: So here's something. As you look at all this, right,
you've been to two memorial services pretty much back to back. Yes, right.
If you look at life and the average lifespan is
seventy eight years, you ain't got They're not a lot
of time, no left, I left.
Speaker 4: My father would have been seventy eight this year, yeah,
or seventy s it would have been seventy six. But
the point is is that like he was gone eighteen
years ago, and my grandfather lived to be seventy six.
Speaker 1: Brian Wilson just died at eighty two. Eighty two. I mean,
so you're in that range and that range. So yeah,
and I'm thinking like if I had if I lived
to seventy eight, that means I have twenty four more years, right. Well,
I was thinking that too, and that's as old. That's
how old my oldest son is.
Speaker 4: I have like thirty something years left. Yeah, you know
that's it right, right?
Speaker 1: So what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 4: And I know that are you living your life in
fear or are you doing what you said out to
doing things?
Speaker 1: It's like the only thing I am starting to believe
is you got to put things on the calendar and
make them happen. Yes, make them happen commitment. Then you're
gonna do something and actually go and do it.
Speaker 4: But Tony Robbins calls them outcomes, not goals, because this
is not a to do list. Outcomes I am by
this day going to do this. Yeah, that's how you
live your life.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you man, it's it's uh when you
think of it that way. And I just thought of
it even with Brian Wilson, right some people, Kevin said,
I only know that I thought.
Speaker 4: I have always argued that's the best Beach Boy song.
Speaker 1: No, that that may be one of the most the
most beautiful song ever written.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1: And I say that because or maybe the best song
ever written, because it was always imagined by John Lennon
would get the thing, and I go, I'll argue it'll
be this. I mean that was Brian Wilson.
Speaker 4: That was that was pet Sounds. Pet Sounds influenced Sergeant Pepper. Yes,
it's not the other way around. They started the Beach Boys.
I don't want to get into like musical terms, but
like the Beach Boys started experimenting with chords that the
Beatles never touched, and then started doing like layering of
tracks that the that the Beatles never did and alsodd well,
maybe we should try that.
Speaker 1: Did the Beach Boys play on Sargeant Pepper?
Speaker 4: I don't know, that's a kno question. I don't know
if they did or not.
Speaker 1: But anyway, uh, yeah, Brian Wilson, I think Kevin sent
me something, saying in two thousand and one, Tom Petty
said an argument could be made that Brian Wilson is
as talented or influential on music as Beethoven. Okay, I'm
paraphrasing because that I did. I didn't see that. I
don't know that, Tom Petty, I don't remember that, but
it would make sense. Yeah, I mean he was nuts enough.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean yeah, Beethove was deaf when he
was running symphonies. Yeah, I mean, you know he did
hear me like the store. I've seen the movie where
it was a fictional, fictionalized version of his life where
he would walk around like forget what day of the
week it was, he hear the music bump. People thought
he was a madman the way, but he was hearing
music in his head. And Brian Wilson, you know, I
mean it drove him to like what was he in
bed for years? Didn't you have what you know? I mean, like,
didn't he like I deal with depression before they really
knew what it was. It was. The Bernick Ladies wrote
a song called line in bed like Brian Brian Wilson,
but it talked about how he used to lie in bed, Yeah,
because he.
Speaker 1: Was just so you know, well, here here's the other
part depressed. I don't know if yes, I always had
read those things too, And then I read something today.
I don't even know where I found the time to
read these things. More skim these articles and this one
was about you know, how we talk about human connection
and that's what how people live so long usually is
to you know, you can die of loneliness and stuff,
but the need for stillness, the need to lie in
bed like Brian Wilson, the need to do that. And
I think the I don't know, but I think the
more creative somebody is, the more withdrawn. At times they
become not all the time, but they can become very withdrawn.
And I think Brian Wilson was that way.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, a lot of artists, I'm sorry, musicians are.
I don't like calling them artists, but like I mean,
it's an art form. But I think when you give
the artists type wow, would he take it a little
too seriously?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But there are someone I would argue are artists
because they can play in any genre and have a hit.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like McCartney could do that. A lot of
the guys we just mentioned could do that. But yeah,
I think that like Noel Gallagher from Oasis used to
like go away to a castle and write. Yeah for Oasis,
he had to. He was the sole songwriter, like the
rest of the guys just wanted to party and do
drugs and this was his you know. He joined the
band under the caveat that he wrote all the songs
and his brother Liam's like, yeah, I just want to
make money.
Speaker 1: Okay, great.
Speaker 4: A lot of bands did that. Like anytime you have
a band where like there's like one sole songwriter, usually
that's how it works.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: They are very reclusive, like Chris Cornell. The reason Sougarden
broke up in the nineties because he didn't talk to
the guys in the band. He never talked. Yeah, he
would just go off on his own right sing before
and then he'd go back in his hole and he
didn't talk to anybody.
Speaker 1: But not even trying to be rude or anything. This
just them and and it does make you win.
Speaker 4: After a while. It wears on the other people around you.
Speaker 1: Right, This is where it does make you argue, now
where we have so much awareness of autism and spectrum
disorder and trying to help and socialize people and do
this sort of thing, if there wasn't all of this
all the time, and maybe the evolution really is as
my friend doctor Reich will say that you that the
evolution autism is just evolution, just evolution in humanity. I
don't know, meaning that they're they're higher level thinking, in
higher level sometimes speaking, even the nonverbal. There's those that
believe that nonverbal people communicate telepathically. It could be I
don't know, I'm too dumb to figure that out, but
but it's possible. But my point is that could Beethoven
have been that way? Could Chris Cornell been a little
bit that way? Brian Wilson a little bit that way?
And we just call them weird and creative instead of autistic. Right.
Speaker 4: So my uh, when I was I think was Bridge
my band, our drummer ian who could play any Rush song.
He's like a savant when it comes to music. He
grew up in Hawaii. He moved to Sam Bernardino when
he was like eighteen or something like that, and he
played in cover bands in the LA area, like, the
joke is that he missed to turn somewhere because he
should probably be drumming for a band that we have
a poster of in the nineties. He's that good. And
his wife was a bartender and ran a bar in
sam Bernardino and acts like Soundgarden and food Fighters and
others would come and play there. So you got to
get the Ryan already, right, So they said Dave Grohl
was the type of guy who, after he's done playing,
is out drinking with the fans, talk with the fans.
He's on the bars. Yeah, oh yeah, he's good time.
Charlie right, he's shot Cornell, Hey, right, my kind of guy.
Chris Cornell was the opposite. Chris Cornell is like, as
soon as he's done, okay, where's my where's my bodyguard?
He put his arms on the bodyguard's shoulders, put his
head down, and then the bodyguard there'd be one in
front of him, one behind him, to make sure nobody
interfered with him.
Speaker 1: Nobody.
Speaker 4: He didn't want to be bothered at all. And it
wasn't because he was a jerk. No, he have been shyness,
I don't know. He was just fair And it ended
up believing the sound gardens breakup in a lot of
ways because they couldn't all communicate with him.
Speaker 1: No, I understand, and I'm not saying that the therapeutic
things we do are bad. I I'm at a point
in my life and we'll take a moment here where
I'm starting to think that we all argue for our limitations,
and that had those guys at some point been told, hey,
you're on the autism spectrum, would that have prevented them
from doing things? I don't know the answer to that.
We'll never know, but I do know that there's a
story out there, and I don't know where I read it.
I'm pretty sure I read it that a guy, uh,
not a great student, didn't think he was going to
go to college, did whatever took the SATs reluctantly. Sat
scores come back and he got a thirteen ten, pretty
good score.
Speaker 4: Is this in the air of sixteen.
Speaker 1: Sixteen hundred there? And so he goes so once he
saw that, he's like, I gotta start applying myself. So
he goes to college and college was a little rough
and he gets but he, you know, he struggles through
and does it. It's college level work and he gets
he's getting grades that are in the like low a's
and whatever, and gets through Suckerberg no, finishes everything. And
then I don't know if he went to law school
after that or and then one day it's revealed that
his SAT score was a nine ten. They got mixed
up with somebody else. He did not score to thirteen ten.
He believed it. There it is, and that's where I went, Oh,
my gosh. We argue for our limitations when someone tells
you and they don't mean it badly, but I think, like, yeah,
we see things with kids. Okay, let's get him you
can tell some he has his speech impediment. Let's get
him some speech therapy. Work through that, no problem. But
sometimes they start to think, like you do wonder like, oh,
come on, man, you're autistic and a little crazy. You gotta,
you know, take a take a break, take a walk.
Don't what don't mean you're gonna write a song. You're
not gonna write you know what I'm saying. Right, I
don't know that that's really the message that's being said,
but sometimes it feels like it may be. And I
just wonder if if we go too far with things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's this famous episode of The Cosby Show. I
think in the final season where now, if you know
Bill Cosby's son Ennis, who was killed, he was he
had dyslexia. So Theo's character, Theo Huxtable, his character was
based on Enis and so for years they kept he
kept telling Theo, Doctor Huckball kept telling his son that
you don't apply yourself, you don't apply yourself. Then they
find they get to the last season to find out
they're celebrating the fact that he's dyslexic well being.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not stupid. No, I I uh.
Speaker 4: In the in the world the Daughters comes in, he goes,
you're celebrating this. But the idea was that, like, okay,
there's a reason behind this. At the same time, it
sounds like it's arguing for limitation, doesn't he No.
Speaker 1: It does. But maybe that's an explanation as to what
we're seeing these behaviors where it seems like he's not
applying himself. It's funny. Get bring that up. People go
back and watch Sopranos over again.
Speaker 4: Eighteen years ago today the show ended.
Speaker 1: Really yes, people, uh, look at you. People go back
and watch all kinds of different you know series, they'll
watch him again. I went back and I've been watching
Ballers again. Oh the Rock, Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Rob Codre yep, yeah, yep. And in it they have
a player who's this cocky kid coming out of college,
great linebacker, and they're trying to raise his strap, but
he won't go to the combine. He won't go here,
he won't go there. So then he winds up on
Jake Laser's show and Jay starts writing all this stuff
and the kid walks out on the board. He goes,
come up to the whiteboard, tell me what you do?
Bill Belichick? Your up against him. He's trying to disguise things.
What do you do? And the kid walks out and
he turns around and in the parking lot, the rock goes, what,
what's what's going on? The guy goes dyslexic. He goes,
why did you tell me this? Sooner? He goes, I
don't want anybody to know him dyslexic. I got And
then he's like, all right, well listen, I'll get you
all tuned up. We'll do we'll figure this out. And
then you go in and you'll you'll blow the doors
off it. And the kid goes no, and he goes
back into Jay Glazer and he tells him exactly. He goes,
it just takes me a little bit longer to process.
But when you're not getting it and everybody else around
you is getting it, well, you just feel like, what's
the Fuck's the point?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: And it's it's it's it's an endless psycho.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so I'm not saying again when I say
argue for limitations, I don't mean that there aren't things
that we can do to help someone be better. I
know what you mean, but I think sometimes when you
know too much, like I have depression, Well, everybody goes
through things. It's part of the human condition. Take a walk,
point out I'm not And again, if you think you
need I don't even call a medicine. I called a
tool to feel better. Fine, that's great, but then feel
better and stop focusing on the fact that you have depression.
Stop focusing on that and move forward. I think, all right, Uh,
we're living in a great time, Dan. We will get
to why we were living in such a great time.
Speaker 4: Not in Southern California necessarily, no no.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, not necessarily, but we will get
to Uh, we will get to why. I think we're
living in an interesting possibly a great time, possibly if
I only have twenty four more years, possibly the greatest
quarter century of my life. All right, great, I don't know,
we'll get to that. Break good to come out. I
like to do that.
Speaker 7: At bTB would fire pizza and grill and all the grease.
It was just their Sunday for brunch.
Speaker 1: You went for brunch, yes, son of a good.
Speaker 4: I ate the whole thing.
Speaker 1: What did you what?
Speaker 4: The whole burrito? I had a deep you got them
deep fro the bre Yeah right, that has cinnamon, so
it gave me a migraine. But other than that, it
was fantastic. Does yeah occasionally, so that's not anybody's fault.
But the point is it was excellent.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The food is is unbelievable. My wife had the.
Speaker 4: Bowl with the with the the big bowl with the
barbecue sauce. Yeah yeah, my mother in law had something.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 4: We loved it.
Speaker 1: Okay, go back the how is it? How was the
uh able to get in? Oh? Yeah, they have like
sometimes a line.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well they're doing trivia. I should have played
it because knew every song that they played and the
artist and everything. Oh so you were there for the
music trip was not therefore were there during Yeah yeah yeah,
so what a good time. But they like people get
really like competitive doing that. Yeah, but it was a
great brunch weight after church. Yeah, it's fantastic. They treated
us really well.
Speaker 1: Well. I think we are going to do the brunch
cast over the summer. Oh wow, okay, cool, that was
your idea. Yeah, that was my idea. Your idea, thanks, No, seriously, thanks,
it is a great idea.
Speaker 4: I'm good for one everyone.
Speaker 1: So the food is great, you know my limitations of
the atmosphere is like just perfect, right, Yeah, the one
there is just perfect. And be sure to check out
their summer menu. You can find it on their Facebook
page or bTB roc dot com. They've got great cocktails,
summer cocktails for you, great spear specials, and the food
no matter what you get, I am telling you, it's delicious.
And a lot of people unlike me, maybe I'm like
Dan could bring it home. In other words, eat half
the breeder they're bringing home, then throw it in your
air fryer.
Speaker 4: That yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to eat it all
once taking it home. This isn't like one of those
restaurants where.
Speaker 1: You got to eat it all here, No, so you
can take it home and uh and there you go. Yeah,
very nice. bTB would fire Pizza and grill. Uh yeah,
because what was the one I had? It was so
good and I put it in the air fryer the
next day and then I h was it the Paisano?
I think yeah, I think it was the pisono.
Speaker 4: So I it literally took me twenty minutes to read
the menu because I wasn't sure what I wanted.
Speaker 1: Good. Yeah, isn't that all?
Speaker 4: It just comes back three? All right times up? Bro,
you gotta or so I told my wife and my mother,
like you order this, you order this, I'll order this.
Will nibble off each others.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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just inhale that I'm.
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Speaker 8: I may not always love you, but long is there
are stars love you. You never need you, daddy, Oh,
thank you, said Shid.
Speaker 1: I always thought this is one of the prettiest songs.
I shouldn't have paused there. I should just talk over it.
I alway thought it was some of the pretty songs.
But the lyrics in the beginning is like, I don't
know that I'll always love you, but as long as
there are stars above you. So it's like a contradictory
of I will always love right, he's just being I
don't know how long it would be funny. Yeah, I
don't know how long it'll be, but as long as there's.
Speaker 4: Charge of bumps, it's I wonder the Beach Boys if
they had broken up like the Beatles broke up, if
we would hold them in a higher ESTEEME or higher
with card or if Brian or Mike Love or Al
Jardine had passed away, because Carl and Dennis did die,
but they weren't really the Yeah, they were, but they
weren't like it was Brian Wilson's group. And so I
wonder if we would because there's still touring the Beach Boys,
but it's not the Beach Boys. It's a bunch of
guys really pretending to be the Beach Boys. You know,
a lot of old bands to do that be Like
look at Skinnered. There's no original members in Skinnered. Foreigner,
there's no original members in Foreigner anymore. Like I don't
think that Jones can't play anymore at.
Speaker 1: I think Lou is going out with Yeah for a
couple of dates.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yeah, But Kelly Hanson like acts like he's
been in the band since day one, you know, I
mean he sounds like Lou used to. That's not a
shot at Lou, it's just it's hard, like Freddie Mercury,
Like that's why Robert Plant and Led Zeppel won't go
on tour. Robert can't hit those notes anymore. If Freddy
Murcury was still alive, he wouldn't be able to hit
those notes anymore.
Speaker 9: No, Steve Perry, Steve Perry, Yeah, he had leave journey
because of the song I just heard was Steve Perry
Willie Nelson. We played it on this show and it
was it was awful.
Speaker 4: But I think, I think that we don't hold the
Beach Boys in the same esteem as the Beatles, and
we should, but we don't because one Brian Wilson was
still alive until today, and too, they didn't break up.
The Beatles broke up, and then they all went their
separate ways, and we all wonder what would.
Speaker 1: Have happened out of the band.
Speaker 4: For a while, he was but they still continued on
as the Beach Boys. So it was like it's like
Neil Young said, it's better to burn out and fade away.
I wonder if that's part of it.
Speaker 1: Was it the Beach Boys that did a couple of
songs with Charles Manson, Yes, like he became friends with Brian.
Didn't he let me see.
Speaker 4: Either Brian or Dennis. Uh, maybe he was Brian. Yeah,
he was he was pals with those, Okay.
Speaker 1: Charles Manson and I Charles Manson and the and it
pops up being Beach Boys. Charles Manson.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He collaborated with the Beach Boys in nineteen sixty eight
briefly Uh. The band recorded Manson's song Ceased to Exist,
which they remain renamed Never Learned Not To Love, and
released it as a B side. Manson was uncredited on
the release Okay You're Right. Reign particularly Dennis Wilson took
the song and reworked it significantly, adding instruments and changing leers. Mason.
Manson was reportedly paid cash and a motorcycle in exchange
for dropping his writing credit. According to Dennis Okay, Manson
was admitted from the credit so omitted. Yeah yeah, yeah,
what did I say?
Speaker 4: Admitted?
Speaker 1: Oh? I did?
Speaker 4: He probably admitted afterwards.
Speaker 1: And omitted it right from the credits. But had he
committed the crimes, I don't know when that happened.
Speaker 4: That six before the crimes. This is before the crimes.
He committed the crimes after the Beach when the Beach
Boys things went sideways. That's when he started to really
become the guy that we now know historically as Charles Manson.
Let's see, like the whole Healter.
Speaker 1: Stock, so the summer of nineteen sixty nine, August ninth,
nineteen sixty nine, and okay, the Beach Boys collaborated with
him in nineteen sixty eight. Okay, so they must have
known he was fucking nuts. Yeah, motorcycle a fucking insane Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, well we all know why. It's funny. You know,
Fidel Castro was a Washington Senator and a New York Yankee,
but he couldn't throw a curveball, so ends up going
back to cube becoming dictator.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny like.
Speaker 4: If we if we just let the guy in our band,
maybe he won't become a killer, he won't become a nut,
maybe he won't become a dictator.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so I'd love now, I'd love to hear
like Mike Love, who I always get mad at because
he still wears a hat that says beats boys on it.
You're in the fucking band.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, because he doesn't have any hair, like Edie.
Eddie Veder's been doing the same thing, Like.
Speaker 1: Wear a hat, you don't have to wear one that
says beats boys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or his US Navy.
Speaker 1: So but I'd love to talk to him about the
manson time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that'll be.
Speaker 1: There had to be some creepy shit that went on, so, you.
Speaker 4: Know, like Rochester loved like Klaman to anybody who spent
ten minutes here. Al Jardine is in the Rochester Music
Hall of Fame. I don't think he was here that
love what what when you speak facts, you.
Speaker 1: Could say, what about hey man? Well, it's it's like the.
Speaker 4: Other night there was an episode of Family Guy with
Ryan Lockey at it. Ryan Lockedy was born in Canadiguall.
He has no other ties to Canadaigua or local area,
but Man. When he was in the Olympics, Channel thirteen
would lead off with Ryan Lockney highlights. What are we saying?
We're reaching? We're reaching right now. Have you ever seen
Love and Mercy, the movie it's supposed to be about
Brian Wilson. No, I'd love to see that. No, I
have not seen I don't know if you'd seen that.
Speaker 1: I have not seen that. But God only knows. What
I always thought, I always argued was one of the
best songs ever written. Oh gosh, it's really beautiful.
Speaker 4: And it was the theme song to the show Big
Love on HBO.
Speaker 1: Oh it was. Yeah, I didn't watch Big Love.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was a show about this Mormon family who had
this dude had three wives, the guy from Twister, I
forgot his name, the actor. He ended up dying like
about ten years ago. He had three wives and they
all lived in three houses that he owned.
Speaker 1: Oh, I did see a little bit of that. Yes,
I did see a little bit of that show. I
remember that a little bit. We are living in a time, Dan,
where the age sixty is not what it was when
your grandmother, who passed in ninety eight turned sixty.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like Tom Cruise at sixty.
Speaker 1: Now Tom Cruise at sixty.
Speaker 4: Now, imagine Archie Bunker at sixty. That's the difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so funny that you bring that, because I'm
really excited to see the f one movie with Brad Pitt.
Have you seen this? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I see the commercials for it. I thought of you immediately.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I want to see that so badly because
it looks insane to me.
Speaker 4: Is he eating through the whole movie? I wonder what
do you mean? Because Brad Pitt like eats through every movie.
You ever noticed that. No, he like eats at every scene.
He's always eating something, or at least in every movie
he makes a point to eat.
Speaker 1: So it was done by the same people who did
Top Gun Maverick Maverick. Yeah, and they didn't want Tom
oh really, because he's too intense. Oh yes, they think
he would have gone Like I think Brad did a
lot of the driving and stuff in there. I think
that probably also, But I mean this, I am hearing
that the Mission Impossible movie is his opus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his gooddy.
Speaker 1: Well, the greatest thing that. I don't think Tom Cruise
is going anywhere. I think he's going to continue to act,
but it is like the greatest thing he's ever done.
With the stunts, where they went where they went, and
they refilmed different things, like they would shut down production
for two or three days. Everybody begann that everybody come
back to the set and they had reshot stuff with
Tom hanging off the side of the like he.
Speaker 4: Did all the stuts like like here's a story about
like like nobody want to do the helicopter stunt right
in the previous Mission Impossible, So he just learned how
to fly a helicopter.
Speaker 1: In him himself. Yeah, and and like he's I mean,
he's slightly goofy himself, I guess to a certain degree.
But he kept the movie industry going during COVID because
I don't know who he works for. He would call
two different he said, hey, you guys, you guys doing movies.
You're over there because we're doing movies.
Speaker 4: And then so they start doing Then he calls his
own coupan because hey, they're doing movies. And it got
it both like in a race, though, we got to
figure out way to do this. We're Hollywood, damn it.
We could do whatever we want.
Speaker 1: But is it funny? But he did that, that shit
still goes on.
Speaker 4: And then Steven Spielberg's like, congratually, you saved Hollywood, man,
you saved Hollywood.
Speaker 1: But the F One movie, I really want to see this,
but it was Uh. They said that Tom Cruise would
have pushed it too hard. I believe though, and and
maybe possibly died. I don't know. I don't know, because
you're if I mean F one, we know that there
you're traveling around two hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 4: But maybe he would have tried to do it all.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think so, But going back to sixty. Elizabeth Hurley, Oh, yeah,
turned sixty. She looks fantastic, and she did a nude
photo shoot and she did yes, and she's like, uh, well,
you know, very tastefully done, but naked. But that woman
does not. I mean, sixty isn't sixty. And I guess
on some people it is still sixty. I mean, look around,
let's be honest. But there's more of that than there is.
I don't know what that is. And I'm finding more
and more people are are going like twenty twenty five
years in a marriage and then out, and it's almost
like they reinvent themselves and now they hear they come, yeah,
you know what I mean, And sixty is not. It's
not the same mentality. Maybe no, maybe that's it. They
don't feel old. I don't think they. I can't imagine
you ever felt old. Like everybody always locks in at
a certain age, so that had to be for past
generations as well.
Speaker 4: I don't think you and I look at ourselves as
old in the mirror. I still think like there's a
certain age in your mind that you settle line. For me,
I think it's like twenty two. I still think I'm
like twenty two years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always think I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm double that. Somebody posted a picture because AI now
you can do this. Somebody posted a picture. It's a
viral picture and some of you listening to this podcast
have probably seen it. It's a picture of what Jennifer
Aniston and Brad Pitt would have looked like if they
weren't in Hollywood by now, at their current ages, and
they would look like you know, any other couple that
from Mondoid, right or Wayne County. That's what they look
I gotta pull it up.
Speaker 1: You gotta pull it up.
Speaker 4: I gotta pull it up.
Speaker 7: But here's it without all the advancements. But I know
people and so do you, Yes, that are of this age, and.
Speaker 4: They know they look Molly Flaherty yes, perfect, Yes, looks
like she's twenty yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Clothes yeah, yeah, No, that's true. I don't know. I
in the move I found my sister or somebody had
made something for my twenty first birthday with a bunch
of pictures on it. They must have mailed it to me.
I wasn't living at home, and so it's one of
the few pictures or one of the few things that
has pictures of me growing up, like there are baby
pictures on there and toddler and elementary school and all
this stuff. And because my parents' house burned down years later,
but my sister has sent that to me for my
twenty first birthday. I'm pretty sure, and I'm showing it
to Jamison, and Jameson's like, dude, you always look like
you were about forty. I go, I'm your age in
this picture. He goes, I know, but your face hasn't
really changed. So I'm like, oh, I don't know if
that's good or bad. But sticking with that sixty isn't
the same thing. Teachers are. I think. I gotta think
teachers and student relationships that are inappropriate of an inappropriate nature.
I have probably been around for many, many, many years,
but I haven't heard of one where the teacher, the
person in authority, says, you know what, I fucked up?
I did this, I did do it?
Speaker 4: Did Mary kill eturnal admit it?
Speaker 1: I think she had to because she was pregnant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I forget.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times it's like, what are you
talking about? What are you talking about? And but listen
to this story out of Xavier Jesuit school in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Not the college, but a prestigious boys school. This will start.
I picked up the news at this. Let me give
you a little background. The woman's name is Emily Nutley. Okay,
great last name, forty two years old. She was hired
as a supervisor for struggling students. And this is academically
struggling sites. Not kids that are struggling, but hards. So
this should be like a McQuaid.
Speaker 4: Are like a little help.
Speaker 1: They probably get you in there and go, hey, listen,
your grades are slipping a little bit. Go see missus
mcnutley or Nutley.
Speaker 4: And she used motivational tactics again. Oh you get an
a you see a T.
Speaker 1: This extra credit. This extra credit comes with the court date.
She uh yeah, So this woman is forty two, Emily Nutley.
If you told me Emily Nutley was fifty two, I
could believe that. Hard to pin an age on her.
Not an unattractive woman, not an unattractive one. But I
am speaking as a fifty something year old man. Uh,
she's fake. She Now what we're going to hear is
her sentence because this has been going on for over
a year. But she had an alleged sexual relationship with
a seventeen year old. They call him an at risk student.
I don't know that he was at risk other than academically.
A lot of times, if you're going If Xavier or
Saint Xavier High School or Saint Xavier High School is
like a McQuaid, it's you're paying money. So yeah, you know,
I remember expect results. Well, I remember when my son
went there. They would always be reminded, how just know
how much your parents love you that they want to
invest this in you. Oh yeah, which was an interesting
thing to hear.
Speaker 4: Well, did you ever hear the story about the Emmanuel brothers,
Ari and Ron Emmanuel. Their parents used to send them
to private school and then when they got their report cards,
they would post them on the refrigerator, no matter what
grades they got, so anybody who came in the house
and see how they did as a motivational tactic.
Speaker 1: Okay, Authordy saying the inappropriate relationship relationship began in the
fall of twenty twenty three and included multiple sexual encounters
on and off campus, even after the student tried to
end it.
Speaker 4: Not Lee, he tried to missus Nutlee. I don't think
this is working.
Speaker 1: Out well, wait to hear I spread my wings not
allegedly continued contacting him via text. The school discovered the
situation during an internal investigation, learned police she was fired
in October.
Speaker 4: Hey, you up.
Speaker 1: Prosecutors are calling her actions reprehensible and if convicted, Nutley
could serve up to fifteen years and must register as
a sex offender. Okay, here is the Nutley story. This
is her getting sentenced by the judge. You will hear
the judge sla.
Speaker 6: I believe the proper sense is three years in prison
on how one? Three years on how five to be
served at the same time for an aggregated sentence of
three years in prison.
Speaker 1: So she gets three years in prison for this. Here's
the rest of the story, just to give you a
little background.
Speaker 6: And Emily Nutley seemed a bit surprised by that sentenced.
She was immediately placing handcuffs and escorted out of the courtroom.
In April, she pleaded guilty to two counts of sexual battery.
She admitted while she was the director of academic services
at Sinex High School, she had a sexual relationship with
a seventeen year old student. Prosecutors say she was the
aggressor all along, sent him nude photos, paid for his
Pick a Ball membership.
Speaker 4: Geek, you want to play pick a Ball sometimes? That's
her way of confession.
Speaker 6: Gave him her Netflix passport and one hundred dollars a
month allowance.
Speaker 1: He was a pill. I was just gonna say, I
know he was a kep. He was a kept boy. Right,
you're seventeen, get one hundred dollars allowance, pick a ball? Netflix,
the fucking seventeen year olds to sign up for that,
and he gets your dick sucked. Hey, hey, this is amazing.
Speaker 6: Before learning her sentence, Nutley spoke in court. Assistant prosecutor
Elised Eaters also read a letter from the victim who
was sitting in the courtroom gallery today with his parents.
Speaker 1: Okay, now that is right where I went the most
uncomfortable moment, And I don't know. I would love to
check in with this kid in twenty years, if I'm
still here, I'd love to do meaning alive. I'd like
to check in because I want to go. Do you
relive that much? You're sitting with your mom and your dad,
who are furious and mad at you and probably had
sex themselves with people who were their peers at about
the same age, maybe a little bit older, maybe a
little bit younger as possible, but probably did. You're of
the age where these things can happen. I get it,
but not with a forty two year old woman, unless
although I told you my buddy did it fell in
love with that chick. Forty two year old woman from
New York City hooked up with her at a graduation party.
We're at a graduation party for kids. We were juniors.
We went to this graduation party. We all got high,
and then she yeah, she took advantage of them. Yeah wow, Yeah, how.
Speaker 4: Much money she put in the card?
Speaker 1: One hundred dollars a month for what I did, and
I won just the one.
Speaker 6: I crossed a boundary that never should have been crossed,
and I violated the trust of someone who needed to
be protected and respected.
Speaker 4: She sounds fifty.
Speaker 6: I live her every day with the heavy burden of
knowing them.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, the stress of this shit
has rumed. Because she says in another article, and I
was thinking about this today, this woman must almost feel
relieved that she's going to prison. And I know that
that sounds bad. But she lost her husband, she lost
her house, she lost many of her friends. I can't
tell you the number of people. Like when you talk
to people and somebody finds out someone's having an affair,
especially if it's the woman that's having the affair in
a Mayerica, the comments that people say and other women.
So I am sure she lost everything. That almost going
to prison gives you a chance to just you're not
gonna think about surviving. I'm sure that's a scary experience.
I'm going to deny that. But out here, what do
you have? You lost your job, you lost your friends,
you lost your house, you lost your husband, you lost
family members, his family, who knows you could have been
close with his sister in law who I have no idea.
The dog gone all gone because you had to be
a duty hot teacher.
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Like what power that you're penis has? Yeah? Well sex,
sex has, yes? And I also don't you want to
see this seventeen year old ago? This has got to
be some rico suave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like you know if he looks like Napoleon Dynamite,
That's what I was thinking, the same thing, Like how funny.
Speaker 1: Would he lost that harm.
Speaker 4: Lafonda is the best thing.
Speaker 1: This is the uh the reading the letter, and it
started out with I really didn't want to have sex
with her. This is what the kid says in his letter,
read by somebody else in the courtroom while he's sitting
next to his parents. Now, whatever statement I keep calling
her mc Nutley Nutley read, I think is written by
her lawyer. This I think was written by the kid's mom.
Speaker 4: But she insisted she.
Speaker 1: Would not let me alone. She told me she would
kill herself. When I tried to end, I didn't know
how to get out of the situation.
Speaker 4: I finally decided that I didn't want her to do
this to anyone else.
Speaker 6: I told the truth, and the victim said this changed
his entire high school experience, has left him depressed and
lacking self worth. Now, in addition to the three years
in prison, Nutley will have to register as a sex
offender every ninety days for the rest of her life.
Speaker 1: Every ninety days.
Speaker 4: It's like, like, you can't just do that once.
Speaker 1: Well, this is Ohio, so I don't know what Ohio's
rules are.
Speaker 4: It's a lot right, everything stated that puts the O
in ow I were like, what was it like?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's not dww I it's operating while in
toxic Yeah, to make sure the oh in Ohio. Yeah,
I mean this is weird. And then you think, on
top of that betrayal under the cross in a way,
this is a jesuit school. Yeah, you know that that
would not fly. I mean, and I'm this this is.
Speaker 4: The kind of like the subject of every eighties rock video.
The teacher comes in, she's got plaid skirts. It's a
Catholic school. Kids are dressed up. It's very suggestive, billy.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, I just this is a uh what.
Speaker 4: The teacher's gonna look like this year?
Speaker 1: You got a video? You gotta look up Nutley, Emily
Nutley and tell me what you think of her. Emily Nutley,
Emily Nutley, because I'm telling you like Emily Nutley does
not look bad. Oh wow, there's like already like sixty
like pictures. Yeah. Of course, because she admitted it. She's
one of the few I've ever heard that admitted it
and said yes, I did it.
Speaker 4: It's got one of those first day of school pictures.
Speaker 1: Let me see. Oh yeah, can I see that? Wow?
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if it's a first day
like like you know, someone took the picture for her,
like you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Emily Nutley. I mean this would probably be
a term that maybe bothersome to some women. She's cute.
She is, she's a cute.
Speaker 4: She's an attractive woman there here, Okay, yes, all like yeah,
oh my gosh. So like the picture from where she's taking,
like you know, for first day of school pictures or whatever,
and the very next picture that you scroll is her
like like being read her sentence, and she looks like
she's aged twenty freaking years.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's what I'm saying, Like, and I'm sure
the stress of this and just not.
Speaker 4: Look at somebody my age.
Speaker 1: By the way, nobody is gonna feel bad for this woman,
No nobody, and you and you shouldn't. But all I'm
saying is everybody, at some point in their life has
done something that would be deemed socially not acceptable, socially
not acceptable, and but they haven't had to go through this.
This is the scarlet letter. Yeah, in a way.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: In a way, I mean, she should fucking know better.
And I think it's somewhere argued about either neglect from
her husband or something. But I mean, clearly you're not
doing that. If you're happy at home, you're just not right.
So she wasn't getting the attention that she wanted or whatever.
Here's a nice way to get laid, get feel like
you got some self worth. Yourself made me feel like
I mattered well. And I'll tell you what. You and
I just talked about it. You said you think of
yourself at what age?
Speaker 4: Twenty two? She probably did too. Yeah, and she's forty. Yeah,
I got'ta remember about my generation. You're a gen xer. Yes,
I'm not a millennial. Like so we're called senils anyone
more from seventy seven to eighty three. They're called senils, right,
they're not quite millennials, but they're not a generation either.
I call it the Toys r us MTV generation. Okay,
I don't want to grow up. I'm a toys rsqu
You had that drained into your brain every afternoon you
came home from school and every Saturday morning when you're
watching those damn cartoons, when you were like with a
big bowl of cereal. Ever, righty talking about remember the
good old days? And we I don't even think it
show cartoons on Saturday mornings anymore. But the point is
that we were told we were never gonna have to
grow up, and I think that that has played into
our psyche. And when we got to college, I was like,
whoa parties, Like college was just a given. It was
just a rite of passage that we were just gonna
go through life and it was gonna be awesome once
you got your degree, because like our parents grew up
in the Cold War era, like hey man, we gotta
fight the comedies and then before you know it, hey,
you go to college, get a degree, and you'll be
set for life. There were never any real consequences. Nobody
ever foresaw consequences. We just saw pleasure and joy. And
then came this woman who wrote a book called Adulting,
and she regrets writing the books. She's a psychologist, look
it up. Regrets writing the book because it became a
label and an excuse for kids, for millennials and Xaniels
to not grow up, to not take responsibility, to say,
oh man, this sucks, I gotta go to work today.
Speaker 1: You know, it's weird.
Speaker 4: And I wonder if we just were indoctrinated in the
idea that we don't have to grow up. Yeah, Mommy
and Daddy will take care of us. I mean there's
people my age who still live with their parents.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I'm not familiar with adulting
or anything, but I I feel like there's a lot
of people who in every generation, Like I don't know,
I think it's just proportionally worse. And you know how
we hear about no work ethic know this, know that
at least say that about every generation. Yeah, but I'm like,
when I look the kids that my older boys were with,
they all work. Like Jordan didn't like a job he had,
but he's working on his masters, okay, and he so
he quit, but immediately is working for a friend of
his mom who a second maybe no, no, no, but
who does organic farming. And he was helping her hang
drywall and do some mudding and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And you're not helping the description.
Speaker 1: No, I understand that, but do you see it? But
like that guy's always working. Yes, Jackson is in New
York City. He's trying to become a nine one one dispatcher.
It's probably gonna happen, but right now he's working three jobs.
I talked to him the other day He's like, I'm
dragging ass, I go why, he said, I was bar
backing till three am and then I had to go
be at the banquet hall by seven thirty in the morning.
Speaker 4: So he took a nap and then went to work
and then went to work.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, good, I go good Because I always
said and argued when my boys were little, because college,
to your point of college, college was an absolute given
you were going. It was never a question in my
house growing up. It was just it.
Speaker 4: If you were white growing up, college was a given.
Speaker 1: Well for the most part, yes, but I mean my
parents went to college, yeah, and so the education was
a big deal and they were educators. My dad was
working on his doctorate, and so there was all the
It was always there, and it was talked about like, ah,
that's a dorm room style belt you let out there,
bunny boy, They're gonna love you in the dorm. You
know that kind of shit. So it was always an expectation.
And then I knew with some like Jackson, I wasn't
sure because he was uh, you know, on the autisive spectrum,
a little bit uh or lower end. I think they
called it Asperger's They don't identify that anymore. But I
always said, as long as he had a motor to
do something, I didn't really care. I wasn't going to
force you to to do something that wasn't gonna make
your life beneficial. And he's pushed himself hard, hard, and
then Jordan just as Jordan just he's always gonna be
doing something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ian jameson Scott it, I mean, I see it.
I see it in him too. He'll be fine. But yeah, yeah,
you're you're right. I just I mean, I I see it,
though more more each generation there's more and more of
a I guess still a college hangover or a rested
a state of arrested development that could be sure, that
could because it was always allowed.
Speaker 1: Well I think that.
Speaker 4: Think about it. You're you're insured on your parents' insurance
until you're twenty six years old.
Speaker 1: Does that not seem old? You can be?
Speaker 4: You can be, but you mean you can be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I hear you. But I often think, like.
Speaker 4: My father, you graduate from high school eighteen, you get
married at nineteen, you have a kid, you get a house. Yeah,
you know, that's that's your life, right, that's my father's generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, graduating and here's the thing that Okay, so now
this is interesting that you say this. We're going a
little long good.
Speaker 4: I think we're all that a segment two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: I like to talk Bill.
Speaker 1: No, I well, I have been pushing, not pushing, but
I would say where you're going the delay of what
do you call it, not the delay of adulthood necessary,
the rest of development, or I would say this, there's
a window in life where you get to explore and
do as much different things as you can with no
real responsibilities other than taking care of yourself. And that's
called your twenties. In my opinion. Yes, doesn't mean I'm right,
but I look at certain things, and I have been
trying to encourage Jordan, who is twenty three. I'm like, buddy,
I don't care what you do. You know, you're bitching
and complaining about a job that's paying it eighteen seventeen
to fifty an hour, and they're going to give you
a dollar more to be the general manager. So now
it's eighteen fifty an hour.
Speaker 4: Really, I had thirty seven thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1: That's nice, that's fine, I got it. Hey, look you're young.
You're starting out, I go, But for all this frustration,
why not, why not go? You're in phenomenal shape. You're
never going to look as good as you look today.
Right ever, again, kids in great shape, handsome guy, go,
I said, go, go, go live in Martha's vineyard for
the summer and go out to Park City for the winter,
and do that for two years and who cares? And
then you're twenty five and then go get a job,
because to tie yourself to the corporate grind, like I don't,
I worry that college used to be and it was
college was the college to me was like, you know,
knowledge for the sake of knowledge. It really can't be anymore.
It's so gosh, aren't expensive that you can't You've got
to go and get the job immediately. It's almost become
a luxury. Yes it is, it is. But everybody's going
and they're getting trained, they're getting specialized or whatever, and
then they got to go and work immediately. And my
thing is, go live, go explore. My brother did it
right where he was, you know, overseas and backpacked through
Europe and then had a job and quit the job
and bought a bike and bicycled from Seattle to Virginia
and read all these books and oh yeah, yeah, he
did all all that shit. Kevin. He wound up being
a labor negotiator. Kevin was in flight school. He had
been flying planes my brother since he was fourteen, and
my father used suiting to me, I love these flying
planes because if he gets one mark on his driver's license,
he loses his pilot's license. And he had been flying
it prior to having his driver's license. Because the reason
that was said to me was I had many, many,
many many tickets as a young man, lots of feeding tickets.
So but then he went out to flight school in Indiana,
hit a wind sheer, had an engine stall goes this
isn't for me. Came back, wasn't sure what he was
going to do, so he was substitute teaching and going
to the community college. Hated living with my parents. Then
through the community college, found out that he could study abroad,
so he for the second semester of community college went
to England and studied in Cambridge and then backpacked through
Europe that summer, came back and then went to Cornell,
finished up, transferred into Cornell, finished there and got a
job being a labor negotiator living down in Manhattan. I
think there was like the Upper East Side of Manhattan,
but there was like six or seven guys in an apartment,
but they all weren't there once. They all had weird hours,
so some guys would be sleeping some guys. Yeah, and
a hostel partied, partied, had a great time. But he
worked as a labor negotiator where he had to do
the contracts between the city and the fire department, sitting
in the police department. And he goes, it was a
cubical job basically, And he walked in one day and
I think they were having somebody celebrating thirty years. And
my brother goes, I can't do this. I can't do this.
So he quit, bought a bicycle, flew out, had trained
a little bit, decided he was going to bike from
the West coast to the East coast. And there are
books written about it and paths you can take and
people who open up their home to cyclists to come through.
And he flew out to Seattle, stayed with a friend
for a week and then bike back. Yeah.
Speaker 7: No, right, and you go that's what you need to
be doing. I'm not saying that's adulting in a different way.
You're taking responsibility, but you're living your life. You've got
great life experience. You got an education on that fucking
bicycle that I'll never have.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You met, you know how
to survive. You were probably scared out of your mind
for a while, lonely as shit for days, whatever weather, sucky,
whatever's happened, and you made it. You made it through.
That had to be probably, I think one of the
great and he's gonna do it with his kid someday.
That's what I'm saying when I say that. So I
say that to young people all the time. This girl
the other day was saying something to me, I go
to go right into a career. It's gonna be there. Yes,
you're gonna have a time where you're gonna be married
and have the mortgage and then go do this now,
go to France, live there for a while, bank Pierre,
and then come back. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But I say that as a no I get that
I and I would looking back, I wish I had
the same type of gumption and ambition has said. I decided,
like right out of college to get you know, my
radio career started right me too. I was nineteen doing
it and without a real like roadmap of how to
even do that. H it don't work out eventually, but
from now, just to give you the counter argue, which
is not even nearly as romantic or as sexy. All
it's not, I just feel obligated to as a software
sales recruiter. They software companies frown on people who do
stuff like that. It sucks. I mean like it sucks
that they frown on it. The reason is because they
want you to hit the ground running before your senior
year at college, ready to train and sell and go.
They don't want that romantic story. They hate stories of
taking time off or whatever. No, I need you to
sell now. So it really depends on what type of
career path you wanted to do that. And I think
the fact that your brother like was able to make
those quick decisions enabled him to live that type of life.
Speaker 1: I also think that people who are in tell legend
are and self aware and realize most of their self
worth comes from withinside is not going to be persuaded
one way.
Speaker 4: Or the other.
Speaker 1: And they can see these things. And I said to
somebody the other day, I'm like, look, there are certain
jobs that AIRE is never.
Speaker 4: Going to be able to take over, right, And they're
just not and they're not gonna be able to argue
in a court of law.
Speaker 1: And they're not gonna be able to argue in corner law.
They're not gonna be able to teach a class necessarily,
So you're gonna need human right so that job will
be there, and it'll be there today, it'll be there
five years from now when you're ready whatever. So if
you get the opportunity, because I will tell you you
go to these really ritzy places where people to be rich.
He had to be successful, somebody had a work ethic.
You wi'll mean interesting people. That's how my brother got
into find My brother had a job lined up with
FedEx as a pilot before he graduated because he was
working in a fancy restaurant in Millbrook, New York, and
the head of FEDS would come in, the guy who
was the president of FedEx, and he started talking to
my brother, like because that's my brother. It starts talking
and finds out that he's a pilot and going to
flight school and the guy's like, hey man, here's my card.
When you're done, call me. We're always looking for pilots.
We'll get you in if you need to do an
internship flight whatever, let me know. So the connections were,
you know what I'm saying, Like, but my point is
it's always gonna be there. But if you went and
you went to park City, where there's lots of money,
you may meet somebody who changes your life and not
necessarily negatively, may impact. May have just given you a
sentence that when you were like, holy shit, okay, yeah, man,
I get that or whatever it is. Or you see
somebody and go, that's the life I want. That's the
motivation I want. That's all I'm saying. Instead of this,
you know, tunnel vision, we got to you gotta do
it this way, you gotta watch this way. You gonna
you know, have a ticki techy little house and move on.
And yeah, all right, we've gone too long. One last segment, Danning,
We'll do this back to Ohio. They want to bring
back city was gone. They want to bring back something.
They want to bring something back to Ohio. Well, yeah,
and I think if it goes to Ohio, I wonder
if it'll all come back for us. I think you
and I were not far from I think I had
to do this. I'm not sure if you did. Well, No,
you probably did too, because I don't think I don't
think this changed until twenty twelve under Obama. But I
don't think the way Obama envisioned it is the way
it came out. I don't think his intention was fully
carried out. Nope, Okay, nope, we will get to that
right after this. You know what's coming up, his graduation.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a moment. Do we get into
a little bit of Bill's talk or do you want
to talk about people putting their hands on sports casters?
Speaker 4: Huh?
Speaker 1: Putting their hands on sportscasters. That might be more interesting. Okay,
do you want to do that.
Speaker 4: Let's do that one.
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Speaker 9: You get that.
Speaker 1: Brian Wilson passed at eighty two. I think this is
from sixty six. Is that when pet sounds going on?
I don't know it.
Speaker 4: Mand it had to be because it came out before
Sergeant Pepper Beatles broke up in sixty eight or sixty nine.
I think the Beatles broke up around the time that
the Apollo thirteen got lost again. I didn't live through this.
Speaker 1: This is just what I sixty six.
Speaker 4: It sounds influenced so many other records.
Speaker 1: When you hear this, it's like the lament of young people.
We can't live together. We you know, we can't have
sex when we want, we can't make out, we get whatever.
Now it's w a P. Why come on, that's a
moment empowerment song. Yeah. I always argue that it is
only in that they're talking about their wet ass puts
that they're gonna throw around. I mean it's a little graphic.
I'll give you that, but I kind of like it.
It's okay, I know, until you get knocked up a
hundred percent, I will give you that. Yes you're or
you get the herbs. I don't know, but this is
like it wouldn't it be nice? Like they're wishing for
the future and hoping, and my god, what a beautiful
way he players this.
Speaker 4: There's no band like the Beach Boys. Yeah, Jan and
Deane were like the closest, but man, the harmonies just fit.
I mean, just wonderful and it's always happy, like everybody
says like that. The joking ways were was like lud
Zippeltin' right tunes. Everybody like they lifted to the beaches.
But before that it was the Beach Boys. The Beach Boys, like,
can you find a Beach Boys song that you hate?
You don't have to like them all, but is there
a Beach Boy song that he actually hates?
Speaker 1: Beach Boys song that I hate?
Speaker 4: Is there anybody who hates a Beach Boys song?
Speaker 1: No? I don't. I don't think there is.
Speaker 4: My first exposure to the Beach Boys was nineteen eighty eight.
They were on an episode of Full House and Cocomo
was a big hit. The movie Cocktail had come out.
Speaker 1: That's the song I hate. That's the Beach Boy song
I Hate Pokemon. But that was like twenty years after
their fucking map it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, but it inspired our song Limo Joe
Yes that we did on the Breakthrough It. So yeah,
So the Beach Boys influenced me in our show. But
I mean I remember like a surfing Safari or something,
or like Summer Sounds of Summer. It was like a
record they had. My father bought that for me, and
my mother bought that for me for my ninth birthday.
I played the crap out of that cassette. I loved
it just I just loved the Beach Boys songs. They
were just fantastic. There wasn't one song that I didn't like. Yeah,
I can see that and Cocomo sounds like a song
it could have been produced yesterday. It was so well produced.
I know you don't like it, but man johnst playing
the drums.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play it now. I'm gonna find it.
Speaker 4: Of the Florida Keeper, there's a place called There's a
guy named Joke. I'm about all over Florida, Miami, Las Vegas,
Kansas City, apples and all over the carina.
Speaker 1: I gotta go find those this summer. A thumb drive
that Dave gave us this summer. I'm not gonna be
around much. Okay, I'm gonna be working. Okay, I'm telling
you that right now. All right. See, it's like like
a fucking they took a dark dude, but.
Speaker 4: Man, they got a huge shit, like twenty years after
their prime.
Speaker 1: They did just like a piece of piles thing ship
that people like. This isn't pet sounds. This is not
pet sounds.
Speaker 4: No, it's not no.
Speaker 1: But when you're like nine and they're whole house, it's
pretty cool.
Speaker 4: That's This is probably Wilson's. Is al Jardine singing lead.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know. I think it's al Jardine actually, but
I don't know.
Speaker 4: Because I don't know fullest closure. I never know who's
singing with the Beach Boys lead.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's Brian mostly, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: I thought Mike Love singing.
Speaker 4: Maybe what I think this is Mike Love now you
think about him. I think it's Michael isn't either, cousin,
I don't know, let.
Speaker 1: Me see you. But this is real quick. This is
Brian Wilson coming out on a Letterman and he's sitting
down at the piano. Listen to people scream for him. Yeah,
we'll see who plays here. This is from the old
Letterman show.
Speaker 4: This NBC or CBS version.
Speaker 1: See now I'd like this.
Speaker 4: He sounds like Jimmy Buffett.
Speaker 1: Well that's why. By the way, okay, Cocomo is is
all right, I'm gonna give you him one.
Speaker 4: Okay, South America Jimmy Buffett and uh and.
Speaker 1: And hang on, this is Cocomo.
Speaker 4: Brian Wilson collaborated once a song called South America. I
think they did.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love Jimmy.
Speaker 4: I heard it on the way here.
Speaker 1: That's how I know that I love Jimmy Buffett. Uh.
Now this is so This to me is what Cocomo is.
And I like this song so much better because it
was Jimmy and it was sort of underground in its
own little weird way. I see, you're gonna get through
whatever this ad is, and then we will play this
for you. See if you agree with me, and we
can even go back to Cocomo just for the same thing.
But this one was a more fun song. It was
a little more.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, I can see that.
Speaker 5: Now, don't know, don't right, I don't know, but I'm
going to go in the ballad tell the start of
the map.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was more fun. I don't know. Yeah,
you're right, Cokemo is well produced.
Speaker 4: Round season mean sum must look in God.
Speaker 8: We learned to.
Speaker 4: Let me now?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: Wait is this girl? Quick?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I know it is you. Now? Where's the songs? Left them? Where?
I not where? There's another song where he sings like
I won't go to wherever? I thought it was volcano
and he names all these cities and things, and I go,
that's like cocoe to me. I screwed up my own analogy.
Speaker 4: You think about it, and is SA volcanoes anywhere? Really?
Mount Helen's was a was a mountain until it became
a volcano.
Speaker 1: Did you have to take the Presidential Physical Fitness Test?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: In fact, when I saw it in an episode of
Wonder Years, I'm like, you guys used to have to
do this?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: My mother's like, oh, yeah, you had the President's Challenge?
Speaker 1: Did you have to You didn't have to do that? No,
we didn't have to climb. We had to do the
New York State Fitness Test. Okay, but we didn't have
to do the physical physical Eisenhower came up with this, Yes,
but did you have to climb the ropes in the gym?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was terrible at it. Right, How did it
make you feel?
Speaker 4: It gave you a boner? What you're rubbing against the
rope leber Wayne's world. I hate the references twice. It
makes me feel kind of funny, like we used to
climb the ropes gym class garth.
Speaker 1: No, I mean no.
Speaker 4: They said, don't when you climb, when you go, when
you when you let go, don't let the rope fall
because it'll burn your hands. You got slippers, yes, but
I never even got like two inches off the ground.
Speaker 1: I was so bad. And then people make funny or anything.
Speaker 4: Gosh, yeah, okay, they're only like a handful of guys
that could actually climb.
Speaker 1: So apparently they're trying to bring back the Presidential Physical
Physical Fitness Test, and we're.
Speaker 4: Gonna have the fittest, we're gonna have the best athletes
under my presidency.
Speaker 1: The original program was under Eisenhower. It retired in twenty twelve.
That's why I thought maybe you did it. I'm pretty
sure I had to do the Presidential Physical Fitness.
Speaker 4: We live in a blue state, Billy, so maybe like
our rules supersede the president's rules.
Speaker 1: We had to do the New York State Physical Fitness Test. Yeah,
but I thought I had to do it at some point,
the Presidential Physical Fit. Maybe I'm wrong, But in twenty twelve,
Obama changed it and ranked students by percentage was I
think Obama? I don't think he there was something else
he tried to do that that would make it more equal,
so kids wouldn't be dannaed.
Speaker 4: But that defeats the entire purpose, not to kill our president.
I'm just saying, no, the Americans at this time, we're
going to have almost athletic country on the planet. But
if you're not as athletic, if I say you're like Nanny,
well we have a special scoring system just for you.
Speaker 1: This is where equity started. Yeah, the new proposal. Okay,
students below the fifteen percent, I'll get a participation award.
This is a problem, hang on, while those above fifty
or eighty five percent get performance recognition. The goal is
to fight sedentary lifestyle. I'll say this, I.
Speaker 4: Think you don't want to end up like jam McCain
in a prison.
Speaker 1: I think even in my son's lives and and there's
a decade close to a decade between Jordan and Jameson,
I think that there is a much more sedentary, sedentary
sident have iary sedentary lifestyle because I think the new
smoking well, I think there's a lot of a lot
of on my phone on my phone, looking, watching, seeing
and not doing, yes and not out and doing, and
then seeing people who are doing and going I want
to do that? What do I really? Because it's more fun.
It's easier to sit here and not do anything. But
they had like I mean, you had a sixty year
old gym teacher yelling at yours your ham strings set right, streets,
it's sit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sucked. Yeah, I remember by the way they
say that psychological what is the hamstring stretch? That like
if if you if Peter Atia, doctor Peter Atia was
saying this that if they if they put you out
in a hospital bed for surgery, right, they can literally
take your leg and move it all the way back
to your head. It's psychologically you're afraid you're gonna tear
something in your head when you're when you're reaching down, like, oh,
I can only go so far. You're afraid you're gonna
hurt yourself. You're gonna yeah, you're gonna put but if
you knock somebody out, they can stretch your your legs
all the way back to your ears.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, it's psycho psychosomatic or psychic. To go home
and tell that to Beth. Seriously, we can get the
back there, am I not? Yeah? What Danny didn't think
I was gonna go there?
Speaker 4: No, I just had a you know, boom, next thing,
I know, I woke up on the floor.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not sure how I feel about this thing,
because there wasn't a gym class Shane.
Speaker 4: You know trial look behind, Well, here's the here's the problem.
Speaker 1: Like and I'll say in two ways, when you like
the example earlier of dyslexia, you don't want to participate
because it's frustrating and you don't want to look stupid.
And it's the same thing in gym class. What what
are you laughing at?
Speaker 4: You know, I was the only kid in the history
of my school who couldn't swim. What missus Glenn, God
bless her. She would put like floaties on me, life jacket,
whatever she could to try to get me to That
poor woman did everything she could to try to get
me to swim. I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Can you still not swim?
Speaker 4: I can kind of swim, but like I like, if
I had to, if I had to, Yeah, but I
was awful.
Speaker 1: I was awful.
Speaker 4: I'm the only I'm the only student in the history
of the school where the actual gym teacher got into
the water with me. That's how bad a swimmer I was.
That's how awful I was okay at it when all
my other kids, all my other friends were taking swim
lessons in school. My father, you don't need that crap. Oh,
and so I never learned to swim. And besides, he
has tubes in his ears. You can't get water his ears.
We can't have take him swimming if I just don't
want to pay for it. And I never learned to
swim ever, live by a lake my entire life. Never
learned to swim.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, Nike and foil math and a push up
test in the same week. I I my thing is
to that, yes, right you. What I think the whole
goal should be is to not have a sedentary lifestyle,
and we should encourage people at whatever level you are
is good enough. Try If you're at the I can't
swim level and I need swimmings, let's go for Let's
get you to where you don't need swimmings, right, and
that that sort of thing, instead of the humiliation where
you got to climb the rope and you can't and
fuck it.
Speaker 4: And here's president can't even get off the ground. Yeah,
class president clearly didn't bother you.
Speaker 1: It didn't until we got done with class. But like,
it didn't ruin your confidence in yourself because you had
to have confidence to run for class presidents.
Speaker 4: Now my dad made me do that, but I won.
I won, and the reason I was because nobody wanted
to organize the class reunion. But but yeah, no, I
didn't really ruin the cop But as an athletic, it
really did bother me that I was always in the
shallow end and that I didn't swim.
Speaker 1: Well, well, yes, and you always wanted to participate. Like
I think there was a time in my life as
an adult, maybe not that long ago, where I may
may or may not have had a gummy and recounted
a dodgeball game from Jim when he used to be
able to really whip dodgeballs, and how it was me
and this kid one year ahead of me. And I'm
telling this story until it sort of hit me and go,
oh my god, I'm trying to brag about a dodgeball
game from thirty forty years ago. But yeah, like that
was like my crowning achievement in school that day that
that year, tenth grade, Like I beat the eleventh grade class.
It was just me and this one other kid and
he I remember him being so confident that he was
going to get me, and he threw this ball. I
caught it and he was out and I won.
Speaker 4: Maasing where your mind will go.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just stupid because like those games could become humiliating, yes, right,
And I'm not sure if we should do away with
it or not if it's really but see, I'm I
don't I guess. I I hate to save the word
abuse because it sounds like you were you know, but
you had so many people yelling at and saying things
that were like I'll tell you what, I speak a
certain way. At times. I think I've gotten a little
better at it, but I can be very quick, and
I've been told I can be cold, I can be this.
And I said something to Jamison about Jordan and the
other day, like I probably the shower curtain thing, right,
And he says to me, he goes, you didn't say
that that way to him because he could be a
little nicer. And I'm like, Oh, that didn't happen in
the world I grew up in. No, it just was said,
and I didn't take it as anything. Yeah, it was
just like that was it. And I don't know if
I think we're better, but I don't know. I still
talk the way I talk. I can't help it.
Speaker 8: So well.
Speaker 4: My father used to yell a lot, like a Jurassic
Park I used to We used to joke there was
like a Jurassic Park dinosaur.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I mean but he had a.
Speaker 4: Soft side too, Like when he was coaching, he did
not yell at the kids. He didn't like that at all.
He would just yell at us because as we were
his kids and he wanted the best for us, and
that's the only way he knew how to parent. But
when he saw coaches act like Mike Ditko or Bob Knight,
he wanted to strangle him because he didn't think at
that age group that you should talk to kids like that.
You're trying to be constructive, you're not like winning.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so that's that's my point. And that's my
point even with the gym clash, Like I don't know
that Obama's idea was to take away the present but
more to go. You know, fat Bobby in the corner,
who can't climb the rope. We want him to not
be fat Bobby his entire life. We don't want to
see him on diabetic medicine. Yeah, we don't want to
see him to pay for it slowly. You know, first
it's the big toe, then it's half the foot, and
now it's up to his knee. We don't need that.
If we could get Bobby, but have Bob. And I'm
not saying that this will change it, but maybe maybe
Bobby will go, Hey Bobby, you know you can really
start to see self improvement. Hey man, I want you
to go out and run three laps machine. Next time,
we'll do four, next time we'll do And it's if
you could do that, and it's happens.
Speaker 4: Trump trying to put this back into play. Is that
is that the idea is No, this is.
Speaker 1: Ohio, the state Ohio is doing this, just the state
of all I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: It's the home of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
It's the home of maybe some of the best football players, yes,
in America. And by the way, it's a northern state
where they can't play football year round like in the South,
like California and Florida and all those states. Texas, they're
playing football year round, not like you know, like for scores,
but I mean like they're they're working on. Ohio man
is its own little identity. Football is their sport. And
I mean, I don't blame them for trying to do
this because we need to. We we our testosterone as
a country has dropped through the floor.
Speaker 1: Well, it'd be good if you could just get out
and exercise more. You know. There. We used to ride.
I rode my bike everywhere as a kid, right, But
I lived in a very rural area and that was
the thing. I'd be on my bike and you were
just gone, gone, god. And but I didn't live like
in a suburban area where because my grandma is saying
you need to put some meat on your bound I'm like, yeah,
but I wasn't. I was wiry, and you run in
and doing stuff and buying and doing, and I just
don't think that that's our lifestyle anymore. So, yeah, I
could climb the ropes and get to the rafter because
I remember there was so much dust up there. I
left my fingerprints and I was very proud of that.
Speaker 4: I'm still there.
Speaker 1: It could be. I don't know, because I don't think
anbody's climbing the ropes anymore. I don't even know if
they have the rope.
Speaker 4: So when I got the high school, theydn't even use
the ropes. They even pulled the ropes down. They've been
left up tied and they never moved them. Elementary school
we did the ropes, but in high school now we're
not even gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but here's one I always told you this humiliation,
and I will never forget it. I think we were
in seventh or eighth grade and they were doing they
were doing the calipers for your uh fat body mask.
And I remember the girl her family owned the ice
cream parlor were used to all go to after baseball
games and stuff, and she got on the scale and
we had a gym teacher in Pine Plains, New York.
If anybody remembers, I don't know if he's still alive
or not, mister Stevenson. Mister Stevenson was from Dallas, Texas.
How he ended up in Pine Plaines, I don't know.
I'm pretty sure what his wife was, but he had
a bit of a Southern accent, and he would always say,
you know, be things like maryan and he would yell
it out your weight. So we'd call it out to
the woman who I think was missus Kennedy who was
taking the she's writing it down, and I remember Danielle
Campanella Campanella one fifty eight, and I think, oh god,
and she was crying. Right, do you see what I'm saying?
Like this is what when we talk about, like, wow,
it's the pusification of America. We should put that back,
should we? Because you just took a girl, but they
gave her an eating disorders?
Speaker 4: Does it have to be nothing proposition.
Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent. Yes, there's gotta do it with
There's gotta be a middle ground one hundred percent, like
we don't need the same harshness. But I mean, he
he was the gym teacher that what They always had
those nihil They were like, I don't even know, polyester shorts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the coaches shorts, the tights in the front.
Speaker 1: And he was bull legged and he walked around with.
Speaker 4: The with the knee leg socks. Yeah, tube socks.
Speaker 1: And he would walk around and he'd be like and
he was like the girls softball coach and stuff.
Speaker 4: He was it's stuffed their pants.
Speaker 1: Seems, man, get over here, stop playing grab ass over
in the corner and get over here. Compression shorts, No,
they weren't even compression shorts. They're the tight tight short. Yeah,
but they were tight. They looked like they were compressing something.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Grab Ass was always a term they use.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, you can do cry over a hangnail. Yeah, I
used to get that all the time.
Speaker 4: I come back in two thirty two. You could play
grab ass.
Speaker 1: Then I don't want to hear about your hangnails. I
didn't even know what a fucking hangnail was. Yeah, like,
what's the hangnail? Sounds painful? Right, yes? And these were
that was all the ship. But I will I am
now fifty three years old, and I remember, and I'm
going to say her name and I'm maybe it's humiliating.
Maybe someone will tell me Danielle Campanella. I don't know
where Danielle Campanella is on the planet anymore. Watchers her family.
Her family had Campies ice cream.
Speaker 4: You had a Campies ice cream.
Speaker 1: They were Campanella's. They were Campies. So they owned it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Duck or Newark they have a Campy's ice cream
and Campy's pizza.
Speaker 1: And so Campies was Campanella. And we used to go
there after or after games and stuff, and we could
get ice cream. And Danielle's family owned it, and she
liked ice cream. I didn't even think of her as fat.
I didn't she was taller. She was tall. She was
probably I mean we were seventh or eight, seventh or
eighth grade, boned, about one hundred and fifty eight pounds,
pretty good size at that age, but very bone. And
by the way, the guy had fucking daughters himself, like
you go, where are your brains? Yells it out across
the gym. Camp Ella one fifty eight.
Speaker 4: At what point did we as men in America get
in touch with our feelings? I don't care about this stuff. Well,
it had to be like maybe Tony soprano going to
the shrink.
Speaker 1: No, I I hear what you're saying. I mean that
was a turning point. People say a lot culturally, but
I I wonder if if it wasn't. Well, I don't
know because I.
Speaker 4: Was a Clinton in the in the in the women
that came forward, I think it.
Speaker 1: Was somewhere along the line some woman went, you're beating
an asshole. Stop. Oh, it was Clarence Thomas with the coke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because like sexual harassment or harassment, yeah, was a
term that we never heard before. And all of a sudden,
Anita Anita Hill testified that that Clarence Thomas left a
pubic hair on her coke.
Speaker 1: He or she left? Who left? He let?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Who left this pubic hair my coke? He asked her.
Speaker 1: That was the question.
Speaker 4: That was the It was nineteen ninety one. I remember
this because the Cowboys and the Redskins were gonna play
that weekend, and it was a Friday when they had
the hearing, and like November of ninety one. That's how
I remember stuff because of sports and everything. Well, anyway,
I don't know, and we'll then Fresh Prints made a
joke about it afterward.
Speaker 1: I think everybody when you had I think there were
people who were just a little more i'm gonna say
emotionally intelligent. That kind of went, well, this made me
feel like shit, So why am I going to make
you feel like shit? We used to point it out,
but then things sometimes go too far.
Speaker 4: The other way, and may those after school specials in
the eyes, maybe those like those John Hughes films like
The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Breakfast Club is great. It is. I sat
down and watched it again on the AMC a little
pieces of it that were running, and my boy, that
was a really great because it broke down the stereotypes. Yes,
the point where we're all one was kind of the thing.
And when Ali sheety goes on about how she's an
informaniac and she even banged her shrink and like, and
you're and you're watching what's your name? Get all uncomfortable? Yeah,
all uncomfortable in it. It was Molly Ringwall. It was
Molly Ringwald. It's getting all uncomfortable and she's like, I'm
not an informaniac. I'm not that at all. I just
made it all up because it got me attention. And
you realize that everybody was going through the same thing,
or like I was gonna say, sheen, but that wasn't
huge as Yeah, he saysh and he goes, you know,
I gave somebody a wedgie so badly, or I duct
taped them to the bench, or maybe that was me
the duck taped somebody to the bench in the locker room.
But there, Yeah, but you got to see everybody was
one and I and maybe that is maybe those were
the points where we went. Oh, because as I was
thinking about it, I go, well, hang on a second.
My parents generation, my parents were of Vietnam War. It
was cold and ugly. It was a cold and ugly thing.
And even there we started to see people were dying
for no reason. People started speaking out going what the
fuck are we doing over there? Why are we there?
What is the point to stop the spread of communism? Well,
why are we doing this? We tried to get the
French to do it. They failed, and then we decided
we had to go in.
Speaker 4: Yeah for what DuPont? Yeah, so that's why.
Speaker 1: But but the thing was that I think then people
started to say.
Speaker 4: They started waking up. Yeah, when when Walter Kronkite's flying
in over it, when the helicopter.
Speaker 1: Our government lied to us.
Speaker 4: Then people are like, what, yeah, our government, Yeah, the
same one that killed our president a few years ago. No,
and then people started paying attention. It's been a gradual shift.
I believe that we've learned a lot about ourselves, like significantly,
like eons in the last fifty years that we did
in the previous Oh yeah, oh gosh yeah before christ Probably,
I really think that probably now they I who knows
what's he's going to aerate, So.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll wrap it up. Then. It's always fun.
We always get off on these tangents.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm here. Tangent Dan No, I like it.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's thinking and I know I
can bring these things up. We'll go.
Speaker 4: So, can you say one thing real quick? No, Stitch
Metcalf ship, I'm sorry, do you want to go?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: So, I I didn't get to watch Scott Metcalf play
hockey for the Amorks. I I I didn't grow up
around here. I do remember when he played for the Sabers. Briefly.
I got to meet him with the late Tony d
when I was doing sports trivia back when I was
my first radio career at w H a m at
a bar and he was for I didn't know that
he was a hockey player. He was just a dude
from who sold for La Bat and he and Tony goes,
you know, we start telling stories and I go, wait
a minute, did you play hockey? He goes, yeah, I
don't have to talk about it, and Tony goes, bro
tell him. He goes, used to play for the Amborks.
Get out here, really And then I put two and
two together realized who he was. He And the thing
about Scott Metcalf, he never talked about his hockey career
ever ever, Like toes, there's a story about how he's
walking down the tunnel at Blue Cross Arena and his
little boy was with him at the time, and people
are going, that's got Metcalf, that's got Metcalf, and his
little son goes, he dad, how do they know? Your
name was? Oh?
Speaker 1: I used to play hockey in this town.
Speaker 4: And that's all he told him. He never bragged about
his career ever, never talked about unless there people were
like egging amount to tell stories, but he never. He
was very humble and he never talked about it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just thought that was awesome.
Speaker 1: I loved hanging out with better and he was a
lot of funny. He was fun to have on the radio.
He had a huge personality. Somewhere, I have lost tapes
of metcalf on different radio shows. Probably moved in a
box this past weekend. Yeah, no, I enjoyed all that.
I was around for the Calder Cup when they won.
It was nice six he was on that team. I
remember the party after party after party. That was when
I was on the radio and they were playing a
team called the Pirates. And I had Kevin dressed up
as a pirate, and I got a tow truck to
come down and we suspended Kevin. He and we made
him a human pinana. He had to beat a CD
off him. Like they were taped. They were taped to
his uh his pants or something. Yeah, they were like
taped all.
Speaker 4: Kevin the Pirates, Kevin the Pirate.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, yeah, But the thing.
Speaker 4: About it, we're talking about like your brother earlier and
like in like going out experiencing life. He reached the height.
He played in the NHL briefly for the Sabers. He
reached the height of of anybody's dreams. He played professional
hockey at the highest level and he never talked about it.
Speaker 1: We had a uh he never bragged nothing. Coached youth
hockey too. When we talked to coach Fisher earlier this week,
who he was his assistant, not coach Fisher wasn't Metcalf's assistant. Metcalf,
who played professional hockey, was his assistant. And he goes,
it was great. He's like, he, I said, that would
be intimidating to me, and he goes, yeah, it would be,
he goes, But Meta was like, man, that's not what
I want to do. And he just wanted to be
around his kids and show him the love of the
game that he loved, and that's what he did. And
Scott Metcalf was a huge personality, a lot of fun,
loved to party, you know, and uh it was, and
a big family guy like you know, because I remember
we were talking about our kids and different things. I
hadn't seen him in two years, two or three years,
so very sad, and it sounds like it was sudden.
I only saw a post on his page by his son,
so I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just found out about it this week, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was last Friday, was a week go Friday.
He just broke on the news.
Speaker 4: The humility that he had, you know, I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just always saw him as a I said
this the other night, so I'm repeating myself. All we
have all our memories and things are based on feelings,
and you remember how a person made you feel. And
he always made you feel like I mean, I said, well,
like you were the only person in the room that
he was talking to. And he had just a huge
personality and was just a fun guy and I mean
played hard, was a brawler with getting fights to do
all this stuff, you know, big part of that ninety
six Calder Cup team, and uh yeah, but made you
feel good. You knew when Meta was around it was exciting,
Like when he was coming on a show, it was
gonna be a good show, you know what I mean.
It just was azz and she kind of knew that.
And it was how he made you feel. And I
often think that's you know, when you're no longer here,
when people think of you, all the thinking about is
how you made them feel. No one's gonna say it
that way, but that's really what it is. And you know,
why do we like certain songs, what Brian Wilson's songs.
It reminds us of a time in our life and
how we felt. Right, that's what it is. And I
think that when you're when you look at that, you know,
Scott Metcalf was was great at making you feel.
Speaker 4: Good, yeah, and having fun. Like when I finally figured
love that who he was.
Speaker 1: I love that that Canadian accent.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. We were watching a Sabers game once in
one of those nights and he's pointing and I'm a
big hockey guy and he's pointing to the to Ryan
Miller on the screen and he goes, you know what
his problem is. I go, No, his blocker side. There's
a hole there. He's gonna let up goals. He's got
to close that blocker side. Like he's like educating me,
and like it was just just a good dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very good and very interesting guy and a whole
lot of fun. For Dan Brillo, Physical Fitness Champion of
dun S.
Speaker 4: That's the opposite of a champion, belief.
Speaker 1: B only ran for president of this class because his
dad made him. That's awesome. I Bill Moran will see
you tomorrow. Hotel didn't know what to do.
Speaker 4: I turn a TV on to rule.
Speaker 1: A letter to you and you stop in by the
dagnant upon the unter state see. They were looking for
a kind of light with Tenni see.
Speaker 5: Please