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Speaker 2: Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with

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you because you get it. You get that there are

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so many mysteries inside the NFL, and now you're putting

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the focus on even a bigger mystery.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they I mean the Eagles. They're a fun group.

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I guys spend a lot of time around them this year.

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Speaker 1: They're always so willing to share the journey. What is

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it about those Philly people? I mean even in baseball,

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it's like, okay, you want to learn more, come on

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in here, let's go for a walk today.

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Speaker 3: I think I mean Philadelphia is it's an eclectic city

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and it's had, you know, like it's had a lot

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of heartbreak. So when it was time to talk about

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something positive, I think everybody was super excited.

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Speaker 1: Well how about that generation that does not understand what

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the Philly special is? And first of all, God bless

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you for bringing this up, because you know, the greatest

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moments in sports should not be forgotten. And that's what

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I love about thirty for thirty. You will not let

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us forget.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this one.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're eight years removed from it, and they

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both have had a lot of recently, so it seemed

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like the right time to celebrate it, coming off of

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their second Super Bowl win last year. And you're right,

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like some of the younger fans, they don't get what

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we've all been through. So I was I think I

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was twenty eight years old. So by the time I

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saw the Phillies win a World Series, I grew up

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in the area, so I'm.

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Speaker 2: A Philadelphia sports fan.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I spent a long time not knowing what

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it felt like to win a championship and then the

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Phillies win one. But like everybody knows, like Philly is

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a football town, so.

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Speaker 2: We'd been there. We just lost them, So it.

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Speaker 3: Was exciting, and this team was like the story is

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just incredible, Like if you scripted it, you wouldn't believe this.

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So it's just the real life underdog story, which goes

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so well with kind of everything the city of Philadelphia represents.

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Speaker 1: See and I love those underdog stories. That's like when

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people say, well, who's your favorite team? All of them?

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Bring them all on it one time. I want to

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know who the underdog is. And I swear to God

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that's the reason why so many people from Oh, you

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come to a football game here in Charlotte, you're going

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to see more Philly fans inside those seats than you

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are Panther fans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's true. This city is They're crazy.

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Speaker 3: I think our two super Bowl teams couldn't be more

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different either. It's like kind of like people say that

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last year's Super Bowl team was the greatest Eagles team

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ever assembled, whereas this team was the number one seed.

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Speaker 2: But I mean it's like our.

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Speaker 3: Film highlights a group of people who were backups. I mean,

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even a guy like Jason Kelsey, who's gonna be a

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Hall of Fame center someday, he was still kind of

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a backup. And afterthought at one point in his career.

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is to just show the underdog story that is the

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city and was this team in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Mister Kelsey warms my soul like Rosie Grier did when

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I was a kid back in the nineteen seventies. He

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is that guy in football that is the gentle giant,

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the man that you know he will go in there

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and do what he has to do. And that's what

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I love about thirty for thirty is the fact that

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you're showing us the human side of the coaches, the players,

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the fans. God just says a lot about thirty for thirty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Jason, I got to do that, and

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but I did get to do Jason's interview for it.

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mean that had to be a top five interview in

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my career. It was just so much fun to be

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like a marketplace that like we all go to everyone's

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shops there.

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Speaker 2: It's like the super iconic spot.

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Speaker 3: So they shut it down just for us, and Jason

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gave us two hours of his time and it was

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just an incredible, incredible night, and he's such a great interview.

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Speaker 1: What you really bring out is that is that fire,

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that fuel, that that energy of a community that's supporting

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their football teams, because how many times in this age,

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Oh man, we lost eight games. I hate my team.

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I hate my team. Ah, Philadelphia Eagles fans are forever

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the Eagles, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They are, but they hate their team a lot.

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Speaker 3: Can be tough, But I think that was another thing

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that was important to us in this film was that

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we wanted to make the city of Philadelphia a character,

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and in order to to do that, we needed to

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like have the fan base be in there. So it

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the Jersey Shore and we did a bunch of the

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different suburbs just to kind of interview people at local businesses,

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maybe local Philly celebrities, just so you get a flavor

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of how diverse their fan base is and kind of

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where everybody's coming from.

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Speaker 2: So I hope everybody feels like we did a good

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job of that.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Shannon Furman coming

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up next ESPN thirty for thirty the Philly Special. We

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are back with Shannon Furman. Don't you guys at thirty

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for thirty really do play the game of there's more

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to this than what you think. Let me show you

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who the person is for real and make your determination

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on why they are who they are and how they

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got there, because I mean, before we'd have everything in print.

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Oh my god. With thirty for thirty, I mean, you

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give us the physical story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this story's been told a lot.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, it's one of the most iconic plays in NFL history.

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a story that's been told alone. So it was important

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for us to highlight the guys who actually touched the

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ball on the play and their head coach, so that

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that's the focal point of this and those guys the stories.

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guys in their backstories. Like I mean again, like so

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improbable that you have like the backup quarterback in there,

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the third string tight end is passing to the backup quarterback.

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The coach was the backup quarterback his whole entire career.

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Corey Clement was the rookie who wasn't even supposed to

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make the team and ends up he not only was

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he like instrumental in that play, but he was also

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the leading receiver that day in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: So just a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Crazy stories all coming together to make this all happen.

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Speaker 1: God, I just love the way that you've got that

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energy because you're right about that, because it's like, sure,

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you know they took on Tom Brady and and you

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know and the Patriots, But do you want to talk

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to Tom? Not really, I want to talk to that

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player that's on the sideline that says, just give me

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thirty seconds, man, just give me thirty seconds on that field.

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I swear to God, I'm gonna I'm gonna make a difference.

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That's the one I want to talk to that fire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom gets plenty of attention. Yeah he doesn't mean more. Yeah,

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that was important to us. We wanted this to be

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a Philadelphia story. So still snuck some Tom moments in there, obviously,

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because who doesn't like seeing Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's the greatest quarterback ever.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, this was about the city of Philadelphia, so

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it was important to us to highlight those people.

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Speaker 1: So in doing a story like this for ESPN, Now,

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is this something where you walked away knowing more about

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the Eagles or are they still the great mystery like

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kiss was with that makeup on.

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Speaker 3: Uh No, I think you learned more about them. I

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think that's one of the things. Like the Philly Special

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is like I think twenty I don't know the exact minutes,

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but I want to say, like twenty minutes is spent

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like really diving into like that play and kind of

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how it all came about, Like you learn the whole

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backstory of like when it was installed, when they knew

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they were running it, Nick.

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Speaker 2: Calling the wrong play.

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Speaker 3: It was actually like he calls Philly Philly, it was

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called Philly Special. So we take a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: Not just to play here to play the season. I mean,

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you clearly planted that in my soul. So now as

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a fan of the game, it's like, oh my god,

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I'm going to be moved here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's one of the most iconic plays

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in NFL history. Even I mean, they just they debated

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on that day, but like when you go back into

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NFL history, it's I mean, people remember it from every

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fan base and also like it kind of set the

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league up for everyone going for it on fourth.

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Speaker 2: Down the way they do now. That team did that

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Speaker 3: They would and that wasn't just that night thing in

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Minnesota at the Super Bowl. They Doug was a fairly

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risky play caller, and he went for it a lot

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and was successful on fourth.

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Speaker 2: Down that year, and that kind of started a trend

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Speaker 1: Well, I gotta tell you something. I was screaming the

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Philly Special this a couple of weeks ago when Drake

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do to get that first down, and I went, ah,

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Philly Special. They were the first to do it. They're

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the ones that did something that they didn't expect. And

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I swear to God, this is coming out at the

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best time, because that right there was the moment that inspired,

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like you said, all these other people to do things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as.

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Speaker 3: A Philly fan, it'd be nice if the Eagles were

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playing in the game this weekend and it was kind

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of a tea off for that, but it still definitely works.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, Where can people go to find out more

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about what you're doing? Because what you do is you

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bring the authentic story and that is so important to

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the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: My handle on social media is firm biz. If you

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are Mbi z So, I post some of my work

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on there every now and again. But and you can

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find my work on ESPN, Netflix, HBO.

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Speaker 2: Those are the main main projects I do.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got to come back to this show anytime

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in the future. The door is always going to be

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Speaker 2: Awesome, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. Have a great day.