WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.439 Next on the drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your 2 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:05.280 NBA daily assists. 3 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:08.199 Van McMahon. 4 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:15.519 Van McMahon added, duding old Land, Texas, flood as tickets, 5 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:34.000 Mud He's and main Van McMahon, Van McMahon the man not. 6 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:34.920 About an hour. 7 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:37.039 From now, we're gonna be joined by Bill Riley, the 8 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:39.759 voice of the Utes, to talk some college football. Dave 9 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.039 Fox joins us later. I'll be on TV with Dave 10 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:46.640 tonight ten thirty five, Cam Yu, we called five questions Suspense. 11 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:50.840 Our next guest was on TV earlier today and Porter, 12 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:52.119 I forgot to tell you when I was at the 13 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.840 Dallas Airport, I had a celebrity sighting. I was getting 14 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:57.840 ready to board my flight. I looked to my left 15 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:00.719 and our guy Van McMahon is standing there away. I 16 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.000 took a selfie after a failed first attempt, but we 17 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.599 got it done. And Tim McMahon joins us now on 18 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:09.400 a Tuesday afternoon, Happy Tuesday, Tim, how are we doing, buddy? 19 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.640 Howdy partners? I have left Las Vegas, which means I'm 20 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:18.319 doing a lot better. That city is not my favorite 21 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:20.959 destination in the world, but Summer League is always a 22 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:23.120 good place to at least see a lot of people, 23 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.159 jitch out with a lot of folks, and like I said, 24 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:31.640 it was good to be there at the gym at 25 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:34.959 Thomas Maxon and all that and everything else about Vegas. 26 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:36.120 You guys keep. 27 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:38.760 I'm with you there. I'm not a Vegas guy. 28 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.680 Did you you did NBA today? Did you just barely 29 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:44.359 land then you must have just barely landed. 30 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:48.400 Yeah, no, No, I took the Actually I barely landed 31 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:51.239 and did it yesterday. And then I'll be here, be 32 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:55.400 here through Thursday show, and then I'll i go on 33 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:57.640 some family vacation type of stuff. 34 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:00.079 Good for you, Tim, Good for you. How was the 35 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:02.000 Live Hoop Collective recording? 36 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:02.439 How'd that go? 37 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:07.719 It was great. We packed Old Brad Garrett's Comedy Club, 38 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:11.719 had some fun. I'll tell you what, man. Folks who 39 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:13.879 came out, they got a whole bunch of swag. They 40 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:18.280 got like these nice like metal cups and there were hats, 41 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:20.439 there were stickers or there's all kinds of swags. So 42 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:23.080 good time. I appreciate it. But it came out. There 43 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:26.039 was actually we had little meet and gree afterwards. There 44 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:27.159 were several jazz fans. 45 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:31.120 As a matter of fact, Well you're you're big around here, 46 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:34.319 and you know, I feel like I might, you know, 47 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:38.039 get a little credit for that, Tim. No, No, okay, 48 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.680 fair enough, all right, moving on, moving on quickly. You 49 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.800 did report today, at least I read it today that 50 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.080 throughout the course of discussions you've had pertaining to the 51 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.919 Jazz at this juncture, there really isn't a lot of 52 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.280 momentum with the market and stuff potentially to move on 53 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:54.199 from lowry marketing. 54 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.479 Can you shed some insight on those conversations. 55 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.080 Yeah, And you know you've asked me, and it's a 56 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:05.159 common question, Jazz. They just unloaded three veterans and clear 57 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:09.360 up playing time for young guys to position themselves, likely 58 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.759 for another high lottery pick, and is literally marketing next. 59 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:15.719 And what I can tell you is that's not the plan. 60 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:21.039 I'm not gonna sit here and declare Lower to be untouchable, 61 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:25.680 nor have anybody that I've discussed with him. But the 62 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:29.759 simple fact of the matter is the Jazz anticipate going 63 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.520 into this season with him on the roster. They certainly 64 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.639 can still picture him as a long term piece of 65 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:40.960 the core. And like, let's just be real, he can 66 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:43.960 play every game and probably play well, and they're still 67 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.240 going to have a real tough time in the Western Conference. 68 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:49.560 It's not like they're going to find their way into 69 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.439 playing mix just because he plays well. The other thing 70 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.840 is he probably would have to play well to restore 71 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:57.800 his value to the point where any sort of trade 72 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:02.919 discussions would even make sense for the Jazz because they 73 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.639 didn't see clearly Clarkson and Collins and Sex and Ast 74 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:09.840 parts of the future. You know, they do still think 75 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.319 marketing can be So those guys they moved out to 76 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:17.399 make room for younger guys. If marketing gets moved, it 77 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.879 would have to be because the return would be of 78 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.120 such value that they felt like it was a move 79 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:25.319 that they had to make. And again, I think he 80 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.639 would have to play very well, you know, as well 81 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.199 as he has in the past to make that even 82 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:36.279 a remote possibility. Now, the contract's interesting because for teams 83 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:40.240 trading for him, it's a hindrance, it's a deterrent. For 84 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:42.839 the Jazz, it's fine because, let's be honest, you've got 85 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:47.560 to pay somebody. There's a minimum salary floor. It's basically 86 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.560 him Nurgats and a whole bunch of rookie deals, and 87 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:54.199 so carrying that contract on the Jazz books is no 88 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:55.120 problem whatsoever. 89 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.199 Yeah, and he's also awesome. I wonder though, so he's 90 00:04:59.240 --> 00:04:59.759 twenty eight. 91 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:02.560 Is his birthdays in May, so he'll be twenty eight 92 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.480 throughout the majority of next season, turn twenty nine as 93 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:08.920 we turn our calendars to spring. So if we do 94 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.639 a little matthe or tim based off of what the typical, 95 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.920 you know, the best portion the prime of an NBA 96 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:17.000 player's career, Lowry is right in the middle of it 97 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:19.759 and actually maybe a couple of years left, and what 98 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:23.199 would be considered a prime portion of Lowry Marketing's career. 99 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:26.519 Is it realistic to expect the Jazz could actually build 100 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.480 something that looks very competitive while Lowry is still very good? 101 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:37.800 I would say it is optimistic to expect that, And 102 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.600 I think that they've got to play this year out 103 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:44.000 to get a better feel for whether that kind of 104 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:46.959 optimism is merited. And that's going to be based in 105 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:51.800 large part on, hey, do these young guys show something 106 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:54.079 this year? You know, are there signs that you've got 107 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:57.759 at the foundation pieces already on the roster aside from 108 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.399 market and Walker? Yeah, so, and then obviously the other 109 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.680 thing is what kind of lottery luck do they get? 110 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:08.519 But Again, I'm not sitting here declaring that Larry Markinen 111 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:11.759 is in Utah to stay. I'm just saying there's not 112 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:18.160 any sort of movement or desire to you know, ship 113 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:21.800 him out right now to continue what's obviously been a 114 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:22.439 youth movement. 115 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:26.519 I wonder based off of conversations you've had, I mean, 116 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:28.519 I mean, ultimately, of course you're the guy to asked 117 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:31.000 this because you have good relationships with this front office. 118 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:36.000 And I'm not saying that Austin Inge views marketing differently 119 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.680 than his dad, Danny or Justin Xanik, but it felt 120 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.920 like for a minute there was maybe some momentum in 121 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.079 the direction of, you know, trying to maybe move this 122 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.560 thing forward in a way that they're no longer trying 123 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.240 to do under Austin Inge as the primary decision maker. 124 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:53.279 Have you been able to ascertain whether or not there 125 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:57.240 is a different directional ethos with Austin in charge juxtaposed 126 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:59.399 to his dad and Justin Zanik before the hiring. 127 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:05.120 I would say that the clear thing here is that 128 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:10.800 they decided that there are lottery odds were going to 129 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:14.879 be based on young players being put in real situations 130 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:17.240 where they had a chance to develop as opposed to 131 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:22.759 tinkering with the injury report and the rotation and those 132 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.639 sort of things. As far outside of that, as far 133 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:31.600 as like massive shits in the philosophy the front office, 134 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:34.600 I don't know about that, but you know, as far 135 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:37.040 as I think there's a very clear eyed view of 136 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.519 just how much work there is to be done here. 137 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.360 You know, somebody said to me kind of telling a 138 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:45.439 lot of truth and jest, they said, hey, we're just 139 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.000 a couple of pieces away. It's just a number one 140 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.399 and the number two, you know, and you know, obviously 141 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.240 it was a joke. But the point, like, I don't 142 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.120 think anybody there says, hey, Lowry's is a superstar, you know, 143 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.399 this is an MVP. Can't but they think he's a 144 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:03.519 very good player who could be a major piece of 145 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:05.839 a good team. There's just a ton of work to 146 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:07.639 be done for the Jazz to be in a position 147 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:09.839 to be a good team. Yeah. 148 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.240 And one of the reasons I asked the question is 149 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:17.800 Jordan Clarkson, John Collins, Colin Sexton all traded. And I 150 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:21.079 wonder if and I'm just thinking out loud here, I 151 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:22.839 wonder if Austin was just like, look, we are just 152 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:24.759 going to move them even if we can't get what 153 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.800 we perceive to be fair value, because you know, ultimately 154 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.560 I have no idea what was offered for any of 155 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.519 these three when it was Xanak and Danny Ainge as 156 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.639 opposed to Austin Inge. But there's an argument to be 157 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.120 made that they just kind of went all right, like 158 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.919 obviously it was a byoul of Clarkson and they didn't 159 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.399 get a ton of value for either Collins or Sexton 160 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:47.159 or do you think as a group they were just like, 161 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:48.960 we just got to move them no matter what the 162 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:49.519 return is. 163 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.840 Yeah, No, it was clear that that was clear. They 164 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.679 went from, hey, you know, we've got to get value 165 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:58.360 for these guys if we're going to trade them too, 166 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.120 We've got to just you know, clear these guys off 167 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:07.080 the roster, play the young guys. And you know, I 168 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.960 mean nobody has used this term, but I will say 169 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:14.600 tank organically, right, tank because you're just not good enough 170 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.440 to compete playing a bunch of guys who are in 171 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:20.600 their first, second, or third years in the league. But 172 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:23.480 they know they didn't get value. I mean, they came 173 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.200 out even on second round picks, right. They gave one 174 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.360 up in the Sex and deal which honestly, I'm still 175 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:32.000 kind of scratching my head about. And then they got 176 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:35.080 one of the comsy I think the most valuable thing 177 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:38.159 that they've gotten in all that roster or something, aside 178 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:41.600 from clearing the deck minutes wise, is the trade exception, 179 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.120 which we'll see, you know, they've got they've got a 180 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:45.799 year to use that. Obviously, you can use it in 181 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:49.200 a lot of different ways, that trade exception. You know, 182 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:53.639 maybe that is something that eventually is used to bring 183 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:56.759 a you know, core type of player on board. But 184 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.159 aside from that, no, they you know, these guys as 185 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.279 we'll just moved off the roster, they weren't traded for 186 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.679 like major returns obviously. 187 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:09.720 So when it comes to the summer league stuff, what 188 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.039 is the buzz or maybe that's the wrong way to 189 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:17.759 put it, the conversation surrounding the load management being moved 190 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:21.120 from the regular season to summer league, Like it's you know, 191 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:23.120 every night you get home and you're like, arond'am gonna 192 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:25.039 check out some summer league and then boom, there's no 193 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.720 Cooper Flag, there's no Ace Bailey. Dylan Harper played last night, 194 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.000 but he didn't play to start, Like, what are what 195 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.960 are the conversations around the league concerning the decision making 196 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.320 of teams to sit the players that everybody wants to 197 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:36.840 watch play. 198 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:41.759 Yeah, and look, the shitting like the top overall pickoff 199 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.960 for a couple of games has become a pretty common thing. 200 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.360 It's certainly the trend. Ace Bailey's got a banged up hit. 201 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.039 I don't think you're gonna, like, you're not gonna push 202 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:54.440 guys to play through injuries during Summer League. I don't 203 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.360 think it was like some sort of plan and he 204 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:59.720 just played a couple of games and then gets shut down. 205 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:02.840 You know, they would love to see him get some 206 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.360 more action, but you know you're not going to ask 207 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:10.759 the guy to play hurt during the summer league situation. 208 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:14.399 So you know, yeah, I just wouldn't. I wouldn't look 209 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:16.600 at as Bailey sitting at as any sort of like 210 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:18.639 indication of a load management plan. 211 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.879 What During your conversations with Jazz Brass, can you share 212 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.360 their thoughts on the early experience with Ace, both on 213 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.360 the ground here and now in Vegas with the Summer 214 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:28.960 League team. 215 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:34.159 I mean, since Ace reported to Utah, they have been 216 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:38.679 pleased with his approach, They've been pleased with his work ethic. 217 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:42.080 You know, they've found him to be a coachable kid. 218 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:45.440 You know, somebody who is willing to listen, who is 219 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:51.080 eager to work, who has been a good teammate. Look 220 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:54.360 to forty eight hours from the time he was drafted 221 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.000 until you know, the time he agreed to come to Utah. 222 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.799 I don't think we're great. I think it was a 223 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:02.960 shame that the kid kind of entered the league with 224 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:08.720 that sort of situation that at least temporarily smudged his reputation. 225 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.600 But ultimately he got to Utah, he's gotten to work, 226 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:19.039 and he's an eighteen year old kid who you know, 227 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:20.840 if you want to put a positive spin on it, 228 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:22.759 he's an eighteen year old kid who has a track 229 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:25.919 record of listening to the adults who were in his ear, 230 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:28.919 the adults that are in his ear moving forward and 231 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:30.960 be guys like Will Hardy. You hope those are the 232 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.759 people that he's listening to for sure. 233 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.360 Now over to Walt wal Clayton Junior, and you know, look, 234 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:39.919 I think there are some things to like about Isaiah, 235 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.840 but his summer league experience so far looks very much 236 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.720 like his regular season experience here in Salt Lake last year. 237 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.120 He had twelve dimes last night. He just cannot hit 238 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:50.320 the broadside of a barn. 239 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:51.840 Yeah me, give me your thought. 240 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:55.639 And Walt's older than Isaiah, and he feels him just 241 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.879 more well rounded to me, even though he's going to 242 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:00.360 be a rookie. How do you think the point guard 243 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:01.399 battle is going to play out? 244 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:05.240 I think it's an open battle. I mean, you nailed 245 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:08.960 it with Callier. The point guard is a hard position 246 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.200 to play in the NBA. If you can't shoot, and 247 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:17.000 in the year twenty twenty five, if they can go 248 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:19.080 under every screen, if they don't have to respect your 249 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:22.480 jump shot man as as well as you can do 250 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:27.080 other things, that's it's really tough. It's a glaring weakness. 251 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.919 I think wall Clayton's going to have an opportunity, uh, 252 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.559 you know, to compete for not just minutes, but maybe 253 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.559 even a starting role immediately. I mean there's a reason 254 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.919 that they, you know, they gave up what they did 255 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:41.679 just to move up a few spots and get him. 256 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:43.720 They really liked him, they like her. They they've seen 257 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:47.080 from him. You know, as you said, he's a guy 258 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.679 with experience. He's a guy with championship experience in college. 259 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:52.440 It wouldn't shock me at all if he ends up 260 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:54.519 being the Jazz starting point guard next season. 261 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.320 Any any insight on and I've got a little here 262 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:00.919 just talking to some people down to the organization, and 263 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:05.639 I feel like they're very split on Kyante and his 264 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:09.159 future not just with the Jazz but in the NBA. 265 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.200 And there are certainly things about his individual offensive game 266 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:12.960 that stand. 267 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:14.039 Out in a very positive way. 268 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:17.639 But any insight on how the Jazz view this year 269 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:20.039 for Kiante and then the future of him both with 270 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.799 the organization and as a pro I. 271 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:25.000 Mean, clearly it's a critical year for him, especially when 272 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:27.240 it comes to the future of the organization. I mean, 273 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:29.440 after this year, they're going to have a decision to 274 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:31.919 make in terms of whether they want to try to 275 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.080 get an extension done with him. You know, he's got 276 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:42.120 to show that there is a consistent commitment to competing 277 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:45.519 on the defensive end. If he doesn't do that, he's 278 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.039 going to end up probably the dog outs. It's just 279 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.039 the simple fact of the matter. You know, Will Hardy, 280 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.200 while they're rebuilding, is trying to make sure that there 281 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:57.840 are you know, basic minimum requirements and competing on the 282 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:02.519 defensive end is obviously one of those. That's an area 283 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:06.639 that he is not, you know, meant the standard way 284 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.600 too often during during his career, and then you know, offensly, 285 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.480 there's no question he is talented. I don't think that 286 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.559 he is given indications that he is a point guard 287 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.159 in the league. I think he's probably more of a 288 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.600 bench bucketgetner type of guy. You know, optimistically had Jordan 289 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.000 Clarkson type, a Lou Williams type, you know, one of 290 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:31.120 those type of guys you know, but again, there's been 291 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:34.360 flashes there, but there's not been consistency at that end either. 292 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:36.360 So critically your form. 293 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.879 Any insight on the progress of Taylor Taylor Hendrix, who 294 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.200 continues to be kind of this unknown commodity based off 295 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.879 the injury last year and a lot of hope because 296 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.399 a lot of the young players have not popped the 297 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:51.000 way we were hoping, but Taylor is just kind of 298 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:52.919 the guy that people are waiting to see. Do you 299 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:54.960 have any insight on his recovery process. 300 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.879 I don't want to put out an act information, not 301 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.919 one hundred percent certain, but I believe that all all 302 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:07.120 signs are that he's going to be cleared for training 303 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.720 camp again, though I want to I want to be 304 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:13.759 careful with what I say there. You know you're asking 305 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:17.039 me obviously live, and I'd like to double check that 306 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:22.000 before declaring anything that you know is firm fair enough. 307 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:24.879 Let's move over to Cody, who had a couple of 308 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.919 decent games, did not look good last night. You know, 309 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.279 the body still needs to come along, he still needs 310 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:33.919 to get stronger. He had a couple of free throws 311 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:35.320 to basically win the game last night. 312 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:36.240 He missed both of them. 313 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.600 And you know, one of the top ten picks on 314 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.000 the roster along with Taylor and obviously Ace. 315 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:41.639 Is a top ten pick. 316 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.799 Now, uh, I'll ask you the same question I asked 317 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:45.440 about Keante. 318 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.799 What's the organizational belief in what Cody could be here? Two? 319 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.240 So I've actually talked a lot more to like scouts 320 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.080 from other teams about Cody Williams, and I have people 321 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:59.360 with the Jazz. So I will answer your question indirectly 322 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:00.960 by saying, you know, telling you what I think the 323 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:03.679 perception is around the league is, and the way I 324 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.119 would put it is, he's a concept of a player 325 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:11.839 right now. You know you see the potential. You see Okay, hey, 326 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:18.799 six foot nine, great link, fluid, athleticism, like what has 327 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:23.920 he actually shown you other the measurables and athleticism, you know, 328 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:27.599 the handles, the struggle, the shots not quite there. He's 329 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.960 not as impactful defensively as you would want to be. 330 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:33.319 And you're kind of you know, this is as a 331 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.079 lottery pick playing Summer League after his rookie year. You 332 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:42.440 want those guys to be pretty consistently, if not dominant, 333 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:47.559 at least forces in that environment. And it's you know, 334 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:52.319 we're kind of waiting for the signs to appear that 335 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:54.240 that he's on the right path. It doesn't mean if 336 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:57.400 not going to happen. But I'm not going to sit 337 00:17:57.440 --> 00:17:59.480 here and tell you that people around the league who 338 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:01.559 are looking at him him as a guy who is 339 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.880 uh declaring that he's going to be an impact player 340 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:06.599 anytime soon. 341 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.319 There is one bright spot for the Summer League team. 342 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:13.400 It's been Philipowski, who was awesome last night and really 343 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:16.799 has been awesome all Summer League long year two. 344 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:17.920 Kyle Philipowski. 345 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.519 And you know, to be fair to the front office, 346 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:22.920 if we're going to talk about Taylor as an incomplete 347 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:25.839 and coding not popping, they may have hit the jackpod. 348 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:28.039 As far as the value goes with where they with 349 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:31.240 where they drafted Kyle Philipowski. You got market In, you 350 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:33.599 got Kessler, you got Ace, you know you have Taylor. 351 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:36.160 But based off of what you've seen from Kyle, where 352 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:37.920 do you think he fits here two with the Jazz? 353 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.119 Yeah? And Philipowski is absolutely having the kind of summer 354 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:43.920 that you want a guy to have going into his 355 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:47.359 second season in the NBA. I mean, he has been 356 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.839 dominant and look, man, one reason it made sense to 357 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.000 move John Collins and not get much in return is 358 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:58.279 because you want to see Philipowski play and you want 359 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.799 Philipowski to have minutes in a role that are his 360 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.519 And you know, I think the big question on him 361 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:07.640 is he a four? Is he a five? He's going 362 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:09.160 to get the chance to prove this year that he's 363 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:12.160 an NBA power forward. You know, you've seen the face 364 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:15.160 of games. You know, you've seen him shoot the ball 365 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:16.319 a little bit. He seem to be able to put 366 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:20.200 it on the floor, you know, and then finally can'ty 367 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:23.440 anchor a defense that obviously there's a lot of doubts there. 368 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:27.440 But he's going to play significant minutes for the Jazz 369 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:29.519 this season at power forward and have a chance to 370 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:32.519 prove that that's his home in the NBA. 371 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:35.559 I hesitate to even ask this because it feels like, hey, 372 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:38.160 it's July and we need to force our way to 373 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.240 talk about Lebron all the time. But is any of 374 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.160 this trade stuff real? Like I've seen odds that the 375 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:45.160 MAVs are like in on it, is any of this 376 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:46.599 real with Lebron the Lakers. 377 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:53.400 My anticipation, and I've been wrong before, My anticipation is 378 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:57.160 Lebron will be at the Lakers training camp. You know. 379 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:01.240 I so like, just like you you asked about the Mavericks, 380 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:04.480 just look at that Sally, look at that fifty two 381 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.640 point six million dollars salary, and then start punching in 382 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.799 trades that would work just from a math perspective for 383 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.039 the Mavericks. And let's talk about how much of their 384 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:20.200 rotation they're gutting for a potential retirement tour. So never 385 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:25.200 say never in the NBA. But I think it's awfully 386 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:27.720 difficult to execute a trade for Lebron, and it's going 387 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:29.839 to make sense for all the parties involved. And I'm 388 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.880 talking about the Lakers, the team that's trading for him, 389 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:35.680 and then for Lebron, who obviously has no trade clause, 390 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:37.599 woudn't have to approve any deal. But like you know, 391 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.400 for the Mavericks, are you giving up Daniel Gafford and TJ. 392 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:47.039 Washington and you know, another rotation player or two to 393 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:51.200 bring Lebron in for maybe a year? Ronnie is certainly 394 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:56.200 with a one year guaranteed. I don't think I would. 395 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:57.480 I wouldn't either. 396 00:20:57.559 --> 00:20:59.359 But since we're in the space, let me ask you 397 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:01.599 about his kid. But are you seeing things from Brownny 398 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:03.880 in summer League that indicate maybe he's playing his way 399 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.160 into being like a legitimate rotational guy. 400 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.400 I think rotational guy is strong, you know, I think 401 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.920