Speaker 1: So let's make this simple.
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and gentlemen, Welcome back to Geek first episode six hundred
and forty one. We got a jam packed newscast for
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We got Sonic, we got other movie reviews that Ring
the Rings, Thank you Craven. Yes, what else do we got? Cooking?
Speaker 1: All right? Question for you guys right off the bat
secret level? Are you guys interested in that show? Are
you watching that? Are we reviewing that? What's the status?
Secret level level? I feel like this is there's a
splunky episode, so I'm at least going to talk about that,
But I don't know what the room is. I know
you guys have a lot of shows this month. They
already jam. I believe it's Amazon, right the Amazon?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm interested. I feel like I did not
know what this was at all until this moment. There's
the very moment. But I've been on a hot streak
with Amazon shows lately, so I am interested to say
the least. And Shane and I just finished all of
the shows we kind of been watching, so it could
be a good opportunity.
Speaker 1: What's this out early December?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: I think December ninth, December tenth. That says, damn it,
I was so close wrong. But I'll be interested.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I don't know if I will have the time,
but there you go. It sounds you got a buddy
for it.
Speaker 1: So we do have a busy December. It's all I
need over over a promise right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is this is kind of like a
crazy first newscast since we had to let Travis go,
you know, creative different seas.
Speaker 1: And there were so many lawsuits and it's you know,
since he's been gone, there's been no lawsuits, no lawyers involved.
I mean it's only been a few days. But records
looking pretty clean right now to say no one's been
challenged to fight each other in a wrestling match. It's
like peace at last in the Kingdom. Uh.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we got we got a good show tonight
for you find folks. But we're gonna start with good
old fashioned what you've been watching. So who wants to
take it away? First? What's what's been on the plate lately?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Well, for me, I just recently finished Arcane season two.
I also watched Arcane season one for the first time.
I thought I was like mostly done the first season,
but I had only really seen like the first two episodes,
so it was it was a nice time to start
because I think we jumped in like right when Act
three of season two was coming out, so like when
season two was just wrapping up and we were able
to just been especially like I've been sick, so it's
it's been like if Shaye's home, We're just like powering
through shows. So yeah, that has anyone else seen that
show here?
Speaker 1: Season one? Yes, and season two. Me and Mud just
want to watch it, but I haven't gotten to it
around to it yet. It's uh thought, it's it's fantastic.
Speaker 4: It's it's probably like the nicest looking animated property I've
ever seen in my life. Like honestly, I think it's
better than Spider Verse, which is crazy to think, like
there's some really interesting things they do with like Spider
Punk and Spider Verse two, but just across the board,
like it's just such an incredibly beautiful show. Like they
do many different like animated styles, whether it's like a
flashback or like a quick cool fight scene. I don't
know if you remember doing like there's a couple in
season one that they do but they kind of carry
out in season two, and just really interesting stuff that
they're doing with the characters. I feel like, I I'm
not like, I don't think it's a perfect show like
story wise, Like I do have some minor issues with
some things in season two, but talking to like some
of my friends, it seems like it's mostly just kind
of me in that camp, like they're completely and like
we talk about it and it's just like okay, yeah, No,
I just don't really agree with that decision or like
don't really love a certain like character decision. I think
it's just especially because I've like played League, like I
have certain like I don't know, preconception ideas of what
lore wise would be happening with characters, and they do
change quite a few things with certain characters in it,
and I was just kind of I don't know cod
and maybe certain characters were like flipping back and forth
that I wasn't loving. But uh no, like it's it's
super fantastic. I will say I think Vox Macina is
still the better show.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: Definitely Arcane looks better, but uh, Vox Macina the newest season.
That's another that's the other show that I just, uh,
Shane and I just powered through, and man, that show
is just so fucking good. Everyone should go watch that show,
even if you're not like a big animated fan like
it is just so and not even like a D
and D fan like I think it's just so entertaining.
And they do such a good job at like spending
time with each member of the group. They really just
get their own like character arcs multiple times throughout the story.
And there's there's sex betrayal in that show, like there's
there's just so much good juice in there and uh
so yeah.
Speaker 1: Sorry, there's sex betrayal, or there's sex comma betrayal.
Speaker 4: There's probably sex betrayal in it. I don't want to
spoil too much, but sex slash betrayal was my that
was my You said it so quick, This show a
rapid of the tongue. But no, it's it's so fantastic.
It's been a nice like a couple of shows Shay
and I have just recently gone through of just like
I don't know, like Arcane's probably a ten out of
ten still, even though I might have some like minor
things because it's just it looks so beautiful, some just
fantastic original music in it, and lots of like fun
easter eggs for anyone that's played League. And then yeah,
Vox Mac and I is just it is so fantastic.
I I just can't get enough of that show. And
they've been renewed for another season arcane like they're making
more shows, but I believe this is like the end
of kind of this story, so to be, and like
there's what they've been doing with the lower and expanding
the universe of like what started the League is really
really interesting to me, and they're just really fleshing out
and there's so much juice to pull from. Like in
this show there's only like a handful of the characters
from the game, but like they and like they're hinting
at things going forward. So it's it's it's an exciting
time to be interested in that universe. And highly highly recommend,
Like it's it's just such a beautiful show. And yeah, no,
definitely recommend both of those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, considering that you kind of, as you said, I
hadn't really watched all the season one until recently kind
of doing the back to back might be hard to
like separate them for in your mind. Yeah, how does
how does season two compare to season one? Just in
terms of yeah, that really high bar set.
Speaker 4: I'm in the minority where I like season one more,
And I think it's just because of like in season one,
you like get them as younger individuals and then you
got to go through some of that just growth of
the characters, and I feel like I was a lot
more interested in that, and then season two, like they're
just you know, adults more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, season one in a really great spot just like
this sets up a ton of really interesting stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So like personally I liked it more because of yeah,
like the story stuff that we got and just some
of the scenes were just super fantastic. But there's still
like some really really just fantastic moments in season two.
It's just the big like threat of what's going on.
I wasn't the biggest fan of so of course it
brings down a little bit. But yeah, no, season one
was was so juicy, so yeah, no, it it was
good stuff. And everyone else I've talked to says season
two is better. So, like I said, I'm kind of
in the minority there I'm curious how you're gonna feel
about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I plan to get to it soon. We'll see.
Me and MUDs just haven't had a lot of time
to watch stuff lately, it feels like, and if we do,
we just like have been putting on Shrinking season two
right now. The episodes are I think there's a couple
more episodes to come out, so we're kind of midway
through season two. That's really the only thing I've been
watching for the most part, other than you know, we
had Gladiator review last week, shout out to that, and
then just watching Survivor every week, which this is a
very fun season. It's just a very interesting, like strategic season.
Last season was very chaotic and messy and everyone was
really bad and like strategically not you know, as human
beings on the show. But this this season has been
really fun. But yeah, Shrinking season two, you know, I
don't want to call it until it's done, but I've
been like pretty disappointed with season two. Season one kind
of came out of nowhere, and Mima just kind of
binge to that pretty quick, really enjoyed it, and I
don't know, I just feel like maybe they have a
bunch of different writers on this season, but it feels
a bit too too silly, and like they are really
just going overboard and making characters really shitty so that
they can have some redemption arc. But it doesn't really
feel earned and like kind of makes everyone hatable. So
I'm just like not into it as much unfortunately. But
who knows, Maybe it'll end season two in a good way.
I don't know if they're planning on doing more, but
I don't even think I'm that excited if they do
it as your third season. After this, it's kind of
like ted Lasso, you know, it's like it flamed out
really quick. You know, like I should have just stopped
after season one or two, so I might do the
same thing here, But yeah, that's kind of it. I
haven't I haven't watched a movie other than Gladiator in
like a couple of weeks here, I don't think, so
nothing too crazy to shout out here.
Speaker 3: Oh goodness me, what have I been indulging in? After Gladiator?
I did The Grinch Stole Christmas, the Jim Carrey one
that It's just that's fantastic. We had some friends come
over and it just it was, Yeah, we set it
up the Christmas Tree that day and everything like that,
so it definitely started to feel pretty cozy. And so yeah,
getting The Grin Show and that was definitely. It's such
a great movie. I loved Jim Carrey in that role.
It's so freaking funny, and it's amazing how adult oriented
that movie really is, like the little things like the
Swingers party that the Who's are having when the Grench
just like arriving as a baby and all these other
crazy things that I can't believe they actually put in
this movie, but it just makes me laugh. For my birthday,
went to Bernie's and saw Back to the Future in
the big screen. That was nice, awesome, not the big
short know. I got to pick the movie this go around,
so that was good. And then Our Little Secret with
Lindsay Lohan that was one of those new Mark ones
it just came out. Yeah, yeah, so I thought it
was good. I thought it was better than Irish Wish,
which she did, which I did not like that one.
But there's a few, and there's a few Hallmark ones
that actually have dropped on Netflix that I would like
to see.
Speaker 1: That Frosty one on there was that good. It was
Travis that was talking about it.
Speaker 4: I I was gonna put it on, and then I'm like,
I don't know, this isn't a Christmas movie I want
to watch right now.
Speaker 3: I think that's in the same because it's in the
same universe as Mean Girls, right, because she breaks she
breaks the wall because there's a they're playing a trailer
irish wish I think is playing on the screen in
the watching it. But the girls like, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about, but like her name
is different, Like it's not the same character. They're doing different. Okay,
there you go. Her name is not Grid. Yeah, the movie,
as far as I know.
Speaker 4: I was interested in, like seeing Ted though from Ship's Creek.
I can't remember actually what his actual actor's name is,
but I really like him in Schis Creek, So I
don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I will throw it on. I'll probably
check it out at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that one, and then I also want to
check out the one where all the guys have to
like do the dancing to save the save the bar
or whatever. I don't know why, it's just I have
I'm kind of curious about that one Footloose.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Chipping Dales. Yeah, but aside from that, no, I will
have a busy weekend because we got Tomana to and
then probably Wicked, probably going around and see that. This
weekend we go to.
Speaker 1: See both of those.
Speaker 3: I think, so, yeah, everyone's talking about it, so I
want to cross it off. Some people talking about it,
some people, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Some people are talking about it a lot and other
people not too much.
Speaker 3: Not to name names, but that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it for four time up too, Taylor, runhom question
for you, Like you know, Golden Geeks. It's not close
by any means. We still got a couple of months
because we do that in January February late January situation.
Do you have like a you have a watch list
things you're looking to knock off the twenty twenty four
list or is it just like new things that have
yet to come out yet or do you stop? Do
you have like a backlog of twenty twenty four things
that you're trying to plan out before we do that.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because I don't I should do
a list for the year of movies that I want
to watch, but usually I do a list for the
year of movies that I've seen that released that year.
So for example, like my twenty twenty four lists, these
are your twenty twenty four sorr.
Speaker 1: Are those are just movies you've seen or is that
a list you made on letterbox?
Speaker 3: That's a list I've seen? Okay for twenty twenty four
released movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 3: I mean I have a bucket list. These are all
movies that I've added that I want to watch and that.
Speaker 1: From this from this year or any anytime.
Speaker 3: All anytime, all them on here. If that answers your question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like no is the answer, like a
backlog of movies this year. I was just I was just,
how about you, Kirkland? Do you do you do that too?
Because I just feel like I try, and especially in
these last couple of months, I feel the burn of
like I want to try and make sure I'm watching
everything that's gonna be relevant for these categories.
Speaker 4: There's like a handful of like juicy picks like Maxine
I still haven't seen I've seen, like see like movies
like that. I feel like there's just every year it
comes to this point and I realize there's like a
lot of juicy picks I haven't seen, so I do
want to throw those on because like I feel like
like the big ones of course, like we would want
each other to watch. But sometimes it's fun for like
your golden Keey pick to just be like a wild
one that no one else has really seen, to throw
that one into the pitch. But definitely, I like, probably
over the holidays, that's usually when I I go through
a lot of those movies. It's usually when i'm you know,
at the old Man's place and him and I like
to throw on those flicks because him and I watched
Pearl and X like back to back, so we on
that journey together. So we've got to finish the you
know exactly so. But yeah, no, I haven't really been
looking back on them, like right now, I can really
think of Maxine, but I know there's a bunch of
other ones that I haven't seen. Long Legs was was
a big one, and I've seen that one now.
Speaker 1: Right, nice? Cool, I'm sure that will be brought up,
I think, so, yeah, in a couple of other areas.
Speaker 3: Cool. Well, should we jump to our main topic at
the night?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: I love that now we're we're yeah, we're talking Craving predictions,
and I realize in retrospect I probably should have wrote
out some set predictions. But I'm just gonna just kind
of like steer us in like what we think, like
is is Craving gonna die?
Speaker 1: Like you're starting, You're starting with the death right off.
Speaker 4: I feel like as soon as you said Craven predictions,
I'm like, oh, man, I should probably be looking to
get any tickets for that movie. But uh, I'm not
really worried that it's going to be too sold out.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna sell me.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we're getting close to Craven. What's your hype
level on that one, because for me, it's pretty down low.
I still got to see Gladiator, man, that one's you.
Speaker 3: Can see Craven before. Well, what do you think Craven
before Gladiator? Dylan? What would you would you say? What
was the order for that?
Speaker 1: For Gladiator?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Would you say he should see Glad I should
go to.
Speaker 1: The theater this weekend and watch Gladiator for sure. If
he's up for it, I think he should do that.
I would love to do that. I think it's one
you want to tears as well this weekend. But well,
don't worry about that. Just go to Craven or just
go to Glad. Just go to Craven early. I want
to see Molanitude. Maybe I'll try and get multiple viewings
in a little double feature because Craven is it's two
weeks from now, right, it's not next Thursday, it's the
Thursday after so we still got some time. So I
think Kirklan's got a lot of time to to get
to Gladiator. But that could also be a nice Christmas
one with the family over the over the holidays.
Speaker 4: But surely but nostraatu right, that's the that's the real pitch.
Get the whole family out to me.
Speaker 1: Well, that's so late. You know what if you want
to go for something on like the twenty second, you
know what are you gonna do? That's true, Probb is
not out yet, go see Gladiator and said, right, that's true.
You went me over like the Gladiator pitch. Yeah, I
mean I my excitement is I will to answer Taylor's question.
I don't think he's dying. I think he's he's alive.
They want to keep their their head Houn shows alive
so they can play with that Sam box that they
just do so well with all these movies and the interconnectedness,
which they haven't done for a while. Hype level is
very low. Hype level is not even dirt ground level.
It's like beneath much as low as you can get.
I guess I can't think of a movie that I'm
going to see that I'm less excited to see. I
don't know, even like even Venom, there was a tiny
was there, I wasn't even really that much excitement. I
just feel like this one's gonna be very bland compared
to everything. And that's saying something for the Sony Sony
Verse movies, but even like Madame Webb, I don't know.
I was more excited for that than I than I
am for Craven Here.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm hoping that there's at least some
like fun moments. It's not like I I agree with
you that it'll probably be bland, but I'm hoping there's
a little bit more pizazz and some of the action
sequences that I look back on and like, oh, yeah,
there's some cool action in this movie, because yeah, I
think the story is gonna be very basic, and I
don't know, Like I like Aaron Taylor Johnson enough, but
mostly in like more side roles like in Bullet Train
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I hopefully this win's me over was he the
one in kick Ass? Yep?
Speaker 4: Yeah back, oh yeah, so's he's grown a lot since then.
Speaker 1: But the arms and the abs department. But no, it's
it's it is overall pretty damn low.
Speaker 4: I would say it's higher than Venom because I just
really didn't even want to see that movie because of
what happened to me with my Venom two viewing.
Speaker 1: That was just awful. But and Madam web, I was
more so excited for Craven the Hunter, but you got
Russell Crowe in there, so right off the glass, Yeah,
I guess so potentially, well, Taylor, because you uh you
you're choosing Craven over Lord of the Rings. So to
me that means that you're very hyped because there's no
other explanation. I know the Rings dirty like that.
Speaker 3: I know it's Lord of the Rings. But to me,
I see it as the rohim animated film, and like
not exactly of the Rings, Like, I just see it
as it's something different. It's not like this is like
a live action if this is Hunt for Gollm Part one.
I'm there absolutely, but uh yeah, I'm just feeling I'm
I have the A t J A t J. I
love at J and with kidding, I think I think
so uh yeah, just I think it's gonna be it's
gonna be awesome seeing him in this role, just with
that accent and the glowing eyes and fighting rhino. Uh
do I think this move he's gonna do great. No,
it's gonna probably bomb hard, But I'm gonna have fun
with it because I'm going into it. I am knowing
what to expect. I think this is gonna be better
than Venom three and how I enjoyed it, So I'm
looking forward to that. But yeah, I just I'm gonna
see we're here him at some point. I'm gonna get
to it. But with Craven, my hype level is probably
around six and a half to seven out of ten,
so it's up there, and it's just yeah, Madam Webb
didn't do it for me, and I was like, I
already said Venom three is Venom three, But uh yeah,
this is something that I'm I know, I pushed it
at the start, like his death, He's not gonna die
in this I don't think we're gonna get more Sony
Verse movies after this with I'd just be surprised if
we do. I think that this's just gonna be there's
there's not enough money, there's not enough income there, so
why would they just be shoveling their money into the
fire right just it's not generating anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the it's still like even three just
looking at the Great box Office Mojo dot com, four
hundred and fifty eight million it made worldwide, but like
three hundred and twenty of that is from international rather
than domestic. Like I feel like Venom just seems to
rake in money overseas consistently, even if it's less and
less every time. But I almost coldn't feel like they
could put in less budget every time if they wanted
to and get that kind of same return. So I
don't think they're gonna be done with it yet. Like
that's probably still decent profit. But yeah, I really begs
the question of what they're gonna do next for like
a character introduction, because these just seem to be not
doing very well if this one is to follow in
the trajectory of web and uh, what was that morebus
before and like, okay, you know, going up against Lord
of the Rings. I think I don't think that movie
is gonna do great great. I think there's a maybe
it has an equal shot with Lord of the Rings.
But as we've talked about here, like Maana is out now,
people are still hyped on Wicked Gladiator, and then just
a week after is Sonic three, right, so uh, and
then some throw Lion King somewhere in there. I just
feel like there's so there's actually a lot of stuff
coming out this month around the same time, and there's
even things that people maybe want to see because they're
hearing the hype on it, and I just don't I
just don't see a world where if someone wants to
go see a sick action movie, that they go to
this instead of Gladiator unless they've already seen it, I guess, uh,
or Sonic even, you know, if they want, if they're
a superhero fan and they like more kid friendly things,
they'd probably take their kid to that. So I just
I just don't see people going to this. So I'm
curious to see what the future is for sure, Taylor.
To your point, if like, especially if they're calling Venom
truly is the last dance and they're done with that.
I mean money talks. But yeah, if they're not gonna
do Venom, what are they gonna do?
Speaker 4: And Venom's like very much, they're they're they're piggy Bank
there there There there cash money Tree exactly. Like I
feel like it's such a that you can't even compare
something like Venom to these other Sony properties that they're doing,
just because he like, he's just so like like you said,
like most of the money that was made is overseas,
and I feel like he's just such a global icon
because of the image. Yeah, he's a phenomenon. He's a
star baby look at him. Look at him dance in Vegas.
So yeah, no, I don't see this doing well at
all financially. But I guess to answer the first question, No,
I don't think mister Craven's gonna kick the button this
first product, kick the buck in this first project.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no bucket being kicked. What do you guys think
the opening weekend is gonna look like? Oh man, I'll
give you the web number. Web was seventeen million, opening
weekend seventeen A. I'm gonna see and what was Venom
three opening. Let's check that because that's going to the
reference point fifty one. Okay, I'm gonna say eleven. Nice
lower than Web, eh lower lower than Web. I feel
like Web had big stars in there, the fifty grade,
the fifty Shades, Uh fans coming for Dakota Johnson. Of
course Sidney Sweeney was like a big selling point. But
this movie doesn't have any of those individuals. So I
think it's gonna really not do well at all. Is
ATJ or Dakota Johnson a bigger start wo Taylor Is?
That's in your heart? But do you think also in
like the actual charts.
Speaker 4: It's funny because going through Madam Webb, I realize, like
Dakota Johnson maybe isn't as big of a star that
as like I thought she was, just because like Shades
was such a big thing kind of when those movies
came out, and I just kind.
Speaker 1: Of, yeah, I feel like Shades would have been the
same regardless of who was in that role.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, one hundred percent. I feel like they are
very similar.
Speaker 1: Actually, I kind of feel like they are in that
very similar tier bucket. I don't know. I feel like
ATJ I see him more as like the supporting guy
in other movies. I'm trying to think of like the
biggest movie that he's starred in terms of probably success.
We'll see. I guess he was. He was so young
and as you said, yeah, not big and Muscley at
that point in time. That was a long time ago.
I didn't even know if people like I don't. I
don't even associate that as the same guy. You know,
he's evolved. He's like a Pokemon. He's he's evolved into
his third form at this point.
Speaker 4: He's not people's number one pick for Phro these days,
either for Quicksilver, unless your Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that happened too. I guess this guy's career
is an enigma. I don't even know what's going on anymore.
Speaker 3: He was in oh, sunt stuntman. Why can I remember?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 3: Was a Sunman guy fall guy? Thank you? Yeah, he
was in there.
Speaker 1: Not the lead though, No, no, no, another good that's right.
Speaker 3: It's like character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, him and that director are a duo for sure.
I I Elevin is really really low. I'm gonna I'm
gonna go higher than Web, but not much higher. I'm
gonna go with uh I'm gonna go with twenty twenty
three million. Oh damn, there's got something god Zella, oh
Godzilla right leading that he did lead in that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like just generic like military white guy
role ever, Okay, sounds like it's kind of role.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go twenty I don't know what I just said.
I'm gonna go with twenty twenty million. Okay, yeah, that's
my number, twenty three million opening.
Speaker 4: It's funny that you're like a Scott Eastwood fan too,
because I feel like they're like the exact same in
my mind.
Speaker 1: Like I thought Scott Eastwood was what that's a funny.
Speaker 3: Scott Eastwood is at least like five tiers below eighteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, at least I apologize for words. Five tiers. No,
like two tiers. Maybe that's crazy. He is ATJ pretty high.
He's on nickname basis with them.
Speaker 3: True, that's right, because I think Scott Eastwood he's in
Pacific Rim, isn't he.
Speaker 1: On this podcast?
Speaker 4: Like you could swap out ATJ or Scott Eastwood for
either of those roles and it's like the exact same movie.
Speaker 3: You're not wrong.
Speaker 4: He's in Battleship too, it's probably one of those two.
Oh god, so what it was called Battleship with Rihanna?
Speaker 3: That one had, That one had Jesse Plemons in it.
That one had the guy who plays he's in John
Carter of Mars. That actor is the main and uh
in Battleships John Carter of Mars. Have you never heard
of it?
Speaker 1: I have not, you know, I know you John Carter
from I don't know what, but it's probably of Mars.
Speaker 3: I guess, okay, I'm adding the of Mars part, but uh,
it's John Carter. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He looks exactly like a mixture of adj and Scott Eastwid.
It's like an AI mash up this character. Oh so
there's John Carter and then there's John Carter of Mars.
Or is it the same movie?
Speaker 3: It's the same thing. I don't know why I added
of Mars, just I associate the planet with them.
Speaker 1: What's your opening prediction there, Taylor?
Speaker 3: A weekend Eh, I'm gonna say twenty million?
Speaker 1: Okay, guy, splitting the difference.
Speaker 3: Splitting the difference. Yeah, do you guys think there's gonna
be any hint of a spider man or a mention
of a spider man in this movie at all. It
could be like at the end, I.
Speaker 1: Would say on par No, probably, I was gonna say,
on par with the Misweb references, but we actually had
like Uncle Ben in there, so I feel like it
would actually be even less so than that. So and
by less so than that, probably not at all. Yeah,
I'm gonna say, maybe one cheeky little line of dialogue
that's like a pun of some line. Yeah, yeah, Oh,
your eyes are gonna be rolling on the floor. But yeah,
I don't think so. I feel like I'm looking at
At the same time, I was just gonna compare it
to Web, which had I do feel like, very little,
even though you'd mentioned that Peter Parker's or whatever the
heck's name is Uncle Ben's stuff uncle Ben's name for
some reason. But yeah, I don't know. I don't think
this one's gonna have a lot. I think they just
want to make I want to make this feel like
ATJ going on some cool adventure and it's not really
that connected to Spider Man. So I'm gonna say, I'm
gonna say, yeah, highly hi little very little mount. I
don't know why I said highly little, very small amount.
Speaker 3: Very small, Okay, Yeah, I think it'll be a very
very small thing. I don't think you're gonna see a
Spider Man or a Peter Parker or anything like that.
I think you're gonna get some kind of just a
tie in probably, but yeah, nothing nothing serious. What about
like a secret kind of like surprise like Sinners or
Sixth Affiliation or like Norman Osborne or something like that.
Speaker 1: You think there's any wiggle room there, I think they're
veering away from that stuff right now. That's my perception
on the whole the whole thing, at least with these
last two movies, I feel like we haven't really had
any fun larger universe set up things, Like they're pretty
contained to their own movies, and so I kind of
feel like that's gonna be the case here. Although Craven
does make a bit more sense to be the one
to gang out with more BS and Vulture, but I
just kind of feel like they've dropped that at this point,
Like I don't really think they're gonna follow on that
threat at all, and instead just like get some money
from MCU and give them back Spider Man for a bit,
since that's probably it's an easier way for them to
make money. Because they don't actually have to do anything
at all except give the license away and then they
just make probably more money than this movie would make
or Madam Webb made them. So yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
say I'm gonna say none of that stuff. Honestly, I
maybe you know your post credit's always got room for
something like that, but I don't think we're gonna see
any like fun cameos. I think this is gonna be
a pretty constrained movie in that way, or restrained movie rather. Yeah, no,
I completely agree.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna That's what I want as well,
Like I just I want them to put that in
the hands of if they want to use those those property,
those characters. Sorry, just just let MCU do it. They
can do it so much better and then they'll probably
make more money of just license in them away as
opposed to doing it themselves, because people aren't loving these
projects as of late, and I feel like it would
kind of be along the lines of how like the
first Venom came out, where that one was really isolated,
like it really wasn't pulling from from anything else, like
it just kind of I don't know, like very minimal references.
I guess to other spiky properties, and yeah, I think
this one's gonna be very much the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I think it's it's gonna be pretty isolated,
pretty much its own kind of thing. I think it's
it's interesting that they kind of did throw Rhino in there,
and if I had to say, I think he is
probably gonna die. I don't think this movie's gonna hold
back and they're gonna kill him off because I mean,
it's okay. I mean, I know Rhino is also like
a Spider Man villain, but I don't think you're ever
gonna see that kind of face off with this. He's dead.
I've becapitated dead with what Craven is doing and what
I'm seeing in the trailer, like there's always an ounce
of truth to myths, and then he just stabs this
fucking like saber claw, bowing into the guy's neck in jail.
I think, okay, Rhino's getting the same deal. Get right
into the neck.
Speaker 1: He's gonna tear a hole.
Speaker 4: He's gonna use that Rhino horn tarot hole through the multiverse,
go back into the MCU. That's how we get these
properties combined. Next project.
Speaker 3: Is what does to him say, like, oh, Spider Man
something that Spider Man.
Speaker 1: God. I think Rhyano is gonna survive the uh this movie.
I don't think they would kill off a that's a
pretty big Spider Man villain, so I think they want
to keep him alive. I do think he will be.
It'll it'll be an ambiguous ending to his character. Like
I think what the situation could be. They're probably just
like on some cliffs somewhere and Craven like baits him
to like charge him, and then he just jumps out
of the way and he falls into an abyss like
we've seen save Tooth in the X Men animated series. Like,
I feel like a ton of Marvel characters just fall
off cliffs ambiguously. It's like, yeah, anyone would probably die
from that distance, but like they've got super endurance, so
they're still alive somehow. I feel like that's gonna be
the same situation with with Rhino, where he's gonna just
quote unquote die off screen, but like he's not actually dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like with Rhino, like he's such an iconic
villain in the Spider Man universe because he's just like
very simple, right, you just guy dressed up like a
rhino and he just runs the things with his rhinl
horn and like he's still like a like a goon,
though like in my eyes, like he's really not like a.
Speaker 1: He's like the top tier goon. I guess, yeah, exactly,
very durable, like like like it could be ambiguous because
he's just well you know, he's gonna be back and
he's just gonna be doing the same thing, just running
through this des joying it with his rhinl horn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I don't know, Like I I never would
see I could never foresee a project. Sorry that Rhino
is like the main threat of any movie, but I
mean he is very iconic. I feel like he's appeared
in probably every single animated like show that they've done
for Spider Man. Was probably popped up at some point
in time. I would imagine, I don't know for sure,
but he's just I don't know, it's very memorable, So
I would agree, though I don't think he would be killed.
Speaker 1: But I would also not be.
Speaker 4: Too surprised because what we got of Rhino in Amazing
Spider Man two was very uh I rollian disappointing. I'm
not sure if you saw that one, I believe I have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Russian the Russian Rhino.
Speaker 3: Yes, I guess that's the only other time we've really
we have had him on live action, haven't we interesting?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yep, I think so, unless there's some like weird nineties
Spider Many, Japanese Spider Man whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh that was a wild movie.
Speaker 3: So here's one. Do you think and I don't know
a lot of the backstory. Do you think Craven's abilities
is going to be just through vigorous training? Is he
gonna be like superhero serum, Like.
Speaker 1: How do you want a superhero juice? He's got a
superto juice at some point, right.
Speaker 4: I feel like I could also see it that he
is just this like master hunter. But I feel like
with the like the all the characters that we followed
through the Sony Verse has had some sort of heightened abilities,
And I think just saying that he's just like a
good hunter, like maybe that's the start of it, but
like he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna get some sort of super juice.
Speaker 4: I don't even know, like the comic book lore, if
that is something that he really has or if he
is just a straight up hunter. I just kind of
remember him being a hunter that has a lot of
gadgets and stuff. So, but I don't know for this,
I could definitely imagine him getting juiced up and just
popping off, and we see.
Speaker 1: Him on the I'm on the wiki here he consumes
a mystical serum to give and dramatically slow the aging process.
Speaker 3: Oh is slow to aging, which I do.
Speaker 1: Feel like that does happen in the Spider Man anime.
So I feel like he takes a serumon and like
goes to hunt. Is the is the thing? But I
might be making that up a little bit, but that
just sounds sounds classic. I think what they might do
is maybe switch it up and instead there's like a
like he goes hunting and there's like a mystical saber
tooth or like a well probably probably an extinct species, yeah,
maybe like a tiger that just gets a bite on him,
and you know there's some you know, some green sap
in that tooth that kind of invigorates him with these powers.
I think it could be something like that. He just
dies at the end of the movie from Poison. It's
just right. It's a delayed effect temporarily gives him like
an ecstasy, but then he just crasches and burns at
the end. I'd be into that. That'd be very surprising,
it'd be bold. It'd be the opposite of this typical
dramatically slowed aging process that I guess is normally attributed
to the character.
Speaker 3: I did not know that he had slow aging. That's
kind of that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a random thing, Like would that ever be
relevant in the comics because it's not like twenty years
go by usually, right, Like they're just kind of just like, yeah,
no times really passed, like maybe five years of passed,
but like not, it's not actual time. My guess what.
Speaker 4: It would just be used as like he's been around
for so long, Like it's not so much like he
gets this and then going forward it's relevant like he's
just been hunting since the Conquista doors, you know, and
dated South America. Like I feel like it would be
something like that. Again, like I don't remember all the details.
Speaker 1: I do. I feel like he probably usually gets the
serum like pretty close to whenever he encounters Spider Man,
Like I don't know if he's a Wolverine type where
he's just been around for decades and decades yeah, but
I don't know. I'm sure there's a bunch of different
versions that they've done in the past. Yeah, I don't
think we're getting a flashback to Conquista Door days though,
Unless I missed that, I don't geez.
Speaker 3: Do you guys think that his father is going to
you bite the ball here? The legendary Russell Crowe.
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot that was the movie thing occurring
in this movie. I knew he was in I thought
it was his brother because.
Speaker 3: His brother is in it too. I believe his brother
is a family's in here, but yeah, his father is
in here too, But I don't know if his father.
He appears like he's a bad guy in the trailer,
but I'm not too sure.
Speaker 1: Hard knocks School of hard Knocks. It was a rough childhood.
I'm gonna say yes.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say yes because if this randomly makes like
a trillion dollar movie, I don't think Russell Crowe signs
on for a multiple, multiple project deals, so I think
it would be pretty uh definite of an end to him.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say yes.
Speaker 4: He gets he gets mucked muck ducked, and then that's
what what if?
Speaker 1: What if like Sydney Sweeney, though Russell Crowe was tricked
into thinking this is part of the MCU and so
he's like, I want part of that cash machine. I
want to be here. He's like Zeus right in thor
Oh my god is so cruel. I did not remember that. Yeah,
I guess that was pretty recent actually, so never mind. Yeah,
I took that. You forget the Great Love and Thunder,
So I'm with you. I think he's dead for sure,
because that is a that is a classic way for
any movie to make you feel sympathy for especially in
this case when it's a villain type character. But of
course you'll feel sympathy for him when his father passes away.
So I'll say this guy is gone for sure. He
dies to the same tiger that infused Craven with his powers.
Something like that. I like it, father son trip.
Speaker 3: Uh. That is pretty much it that I got for
some miscellaneous predictions, whipped up? Do you guys? Everything else
you want to shut up?
Speaker 1: In credit credits scene, there is one? But what is
going to be Is it confirmed that there is one?
Or you're just there's gotta be one. I mean, name
the last comic movie that hasn't had one, you know
game that's the one there was six years ago. Recent,
wasn't Venom, wasn't there no Bad Path Wakonda forever. I
don't have one. I'm gonna say yes, And I do
think it will be ambiguous, like he's, you know, dimly
lit room trying to find his next, his next, his
next hunt. But it might be like Morbius or something
rather than Spider Man. Maybe that's what it is, Morbius,
Morebius meeting Tombes. I think it's just him on his
own and I think he's finding his next target. I
don't think it'll be a Madame Web character. So I'll
say I'll say Morbius. I'll say he wants to hunt
down the vampire. It's just City Sweeney or going to
the MC. Let's go.
Speaker 3: Morbius would be an interesting one, that would be That'd
be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Would it, Taylor would?
Speaker 3: I think I think that'd be kind of cool because
none of the they're all supposed to be in the
same universe except for Madame Web. That's his own thing.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, but that was like after it had
filmed and released, They're like, ah, it's its own thing, right, wasn't.
Speaker 4: I can't remember did they say that. They're like, yeah,
we're not continuing with Madam Web. It was so financially but.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would say that publicly.
Speaker 4: But right it's like, we're not continuing with another season.
But I guess they're not really saying that. It's just
what's true.
Speaker 1: They do that with seasons, but yeah, I feel like
they don't usually do that with movies. They just don't
talk about it if it was bombed. They don't want
the investors to catch on to their failures.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because like I feel like Madam Web, there is
some potential for an appearance there, but like this is
Dakota Johnson going back to put on the suit. If not,
it was like something that was already filmed before.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no put on the suit. There was no
suit to begin with.
Speaker 4: I mean she's wearing something at the end. I guess
it's just a blindfold and she's like in.
Speaker 3: A wheel shah. We got like five seconds of suit
time on screen.
Speaker 1: Seconds of suit we did. Do you think this post
credit tailor what's your prediction?
Speaker 3: The absolutely absolutely this post credit I don't know if
it's gonna be I don't it's not gonna be humorous.
I think that's kind of like the Venom thing with
this being R rated and just kind of more violent.
I think it's gonna be a very serious one. And yeah,
I think it'll be something like a character coming in
to set it up. People are gonna roll their eyes
if it's a Norman Osborne. Like I'm putting the team together.
People are like, are you fucking kidding me? We don't
need any more of this?
Speaker 1: But uh wait, is Craven R rated? Actually? Yeah, I
thought it was. Oh I'm dropping my I'm dropping my
box office prediction by five million. I'm gonna go back
eighteen million. I did not realize it was R rated. Definitely.
What is the what is it? I guess the overall
box office gotta do that as well. What's your overall
prediction when it's done it's run at the theater?
Speaker 3: Fifty million? Fifty million?
Speaker 1: Holy fifty million?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Mine, King Madam Web. Madam Web cranked out one hundred
million when it was all said and done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say fiftyf of Web.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it is all rated, so there's a
chance I'll say ninety. His numbers feel so low, but
they also feel so realistic. I'll go, I'll go what'd
you say, Kirkland? Okay, Oh, I'll go, I'll go ninety seven,
I'll go higher, but not cracking one hundred million range.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Do you think it's gonna
make more at the box office than roll Hear Them
or less?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man?
Speaker 4: And I really don't know how Roe Hearm's gonna do,
like worldwide, because I feel like there is just a
global audience for a load of the Rings.
Speaker 1: I think row here them would do more international. I
would say it like international numbers will be the Yeah,
I'm putting my heart into this one. I'm gonna go
over hear Them. Do I actually believe it? Unfortunately? Not really,
But I'm just I'm gonna put my faith in Lord
of the Rings in this case for new interesting Lord
of the Rings.
Speaker 3: I hope. I hope it does good for that sake,
just so they can see like, oh, you know what,
we need to put more money and make more Lord
of the Rings projects. I hope it gets that. But well,
that makes me excited that I'm curious to see how
the numbers compare between yahween the two.
Speaker 1: I two, well two anecdotes here. When one is gonna support,
one's gonna not support this argument is that I had
a friend recently who I don't think has seen a
movie in the theaters for years, who's like, Yo, you
want to go see Lord of the Rings with some friends?
Get the little watch party going together. So it's like, okay,
this is bringing people to the theater. Then I had
another a couple of friends who are like, what is
that movie? There's a Lord of Rings animated movie coming out,
and these are you know, these are like nerdy, geeky people,
like they know this kind of stuff, and they didn't
even realize it was a thing. So I feel like
that's the two sides of the coin. Is if people
know about it and they're Lord of the Rings fans
are like, oh hell yeah, I'm into that, especially if
they're like animated stuff and anime and whatnot. But then
a lot of people who just don't even know it exists.
Speaker 3: Probably you didn't have anyone come up and be like, hey,
I should watch party for Craven, you know, get everyone together.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't believe it other than atj he shot
me a text say hey, nice see this picture. This
we worked really hard on it. Please see this have
so much debt. I feel I was gonna say part
of me, I feel like ro herem. I haven't really
been seeing like a lot of marketing for it, but
I also haven't been seeing that at all for Craven.
I you know, I've been in the theater a little
bit just because I've been under the weather. But uh,
I like, did you guys get row hearing trailers for Gladiator?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, probably not? I did get Yeah, I think I
think I did get row hearm for two movies recently.
And Taylor, I can't remember. Did you have Craven for Gladiator?
I forget if I did, I got They're kind of late.
I might have missed the trailer for it or something.
Speaker 3: Not to just sideline this, but so Kevin and the check.
Kevin's been dropping a whole bunch of details here, big
predictions in the chat. Yeah. So I'm only bringing up
this one because I don't think that this movie's gonna
be a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Or more for the audio listeners, what is the comment?
Speaker 3: The comment is Moufasa The Lion King domestic box office
debut at eighty to one hundred million, international audience going
to push this film to one billion or more at
the box office. Kevin, I'm sorry, I don't think this
is I don't think it's a billion dollar movie.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone cares about Move fasta the Lion King.
This is like the ball cash grabs, and I think
it's just a total whiff. We'll see if I'm wrong
about that.
Speaker 3: But well, predictions right now are fifty five million I
think for Sonic three, and then fifty million for Moufasa,
so they're close. But Sonic was leading it.
Speaker 1: I think getting beat by the hog.
Speaker 3: Hey, two hogs and a kidnap and a fox.
Speaker 1: That's right, James Martin and James Cyclops himself.
Speaker 3: Uh was that it? Where we're done the predictions? Uh yeah, okay, Well,
let's jump to our first ad break and sally forth
into some other MCU news and we are back. So
our next wonderful topic of MCU news here is uh oh,
actually the oh the notes are done backwards. Well we're
gonna keep it with Marvel related I know to blame
for that around with you. Uh so there's a rumor
going around. I don't have which tier it is. That
information eludes me. Right now. But Robert Pattison has met
with Figy for an MCU role discussl.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, no, this is this is cool news. I
I hope it's true. I love the patentson man. I
feel like if it is true, it would be not
like a big, big, weird way to say that big
continuing role moving forward, Like I don't think it's gonna
be like a you know, Robert Robert Downey junior level
like contract where he's here for like a decade. But
I would love to see him in there because he's fantastic.
I would really love it to be a villain role.
Speaker 1: I would just want to.
Speaker 4: See more of that side of his acting, because of course,
you know he's he's the bad. He's already a big
hero already over on DC, So I would really really
want him to do like a just like a wild,
wild type of villain as well, like someone that can
really he can really just chew up like almost like
a faux level of just I guess he's already kind
of done that with the faux in Lighthouse, but yeah, no,
I I'd love to see that side of him, and
mostly just because I already have him as the hero
in Batman. So yeah, that's kind of my want and
this is just cool news. I would love for it
to be true.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Yeah, I same boat. I think it'd be
really cool. And yeah, we see this a lot. A
lot of people are either in DC and Marvel or
they're in Marvel and Sony Marvel, as we just discussed.
So yeah, yeah's it seems like if if someone's open
to doing a superhero thing, they're open to doing every
thing and sometimes all at once. I for some reason,
I don't believe this. For some reason, I kind of
feel like Pattison maybe would want to play out his
run as Batman before he jumps over to the Marvel
universe and maybe just do like, okay, do my superhero
stuff and then in between Batman's I can do some
weirder things like a Mickey seventeen or you know, He's
there's also a rumor that he's going to be in
the next Nolan movie, I think, right, so just you know,
mix in the kind of maybe higher prestige working with
these big directors, because he's kind of a big name
right now. In between the superhero stuffs. I don't know
if he'd want to throw another like Marvel thing in
in the bucket. But I think to your point, Carculadi,
if he did do it, I definitely see it being
a kind of a one off villain or like just
a smaller role, you know, a classic case where like
Okay could be a one and done, but you can
always bring him back. I feel like the comparison point
to me would be Jake Jonenhall and him coming in
to do Mysterio and you know spoilers that character does die,
but you know, in a multiverse situation, you could always
bring him back. And if Jake Jonhall wanted to come
back and do it again, or if they had more
material for it, even if you wouldn't be the villain
of the ex spider Man movie, that would be really
odd if they did Mysterio again, especially with the same actor.
But that's kind of the tier I feel like it
is they get a big, prestigious actor who hasn't done
Marvel before, bring him in here to like chew up
the scenery with a fun villain who can be kind
of disconnected just being a one off thing. It could
even be a bigger movie, like one of my the
things that came to mind and I think because I
think someone put this in our discord chat might have
been Travis even is is maybe Patterson is like the
Beyonder and like the Secret Wars kind of situation, so
kind of just being more or less the guy who
sets the scene. Not't even know if you'd really call
him a villain. He's more he's like the ends, you know,
he chooses no side. He's kind of just there setting
up the events of things. Uh, And could be just
a fun like we saw in in X Men, right,
it's kind of some wacky, a wacky version of the Bonner.
It would be interesting to see just other versions you
could get there. So I don't know that's that that
kind of tear though, where it's a smaller role, smaller character.
You could just see him being on Secret Wars. We
could always bring him back five years later if you
wanted to. Uh, That's that's kind of the the role
I would expect him to do. And that's not necessarily
what I would hope most for him. I think Beyonder
would be interesting one. But yeah, how about you, Taylor,
do you think do you think this is likely?
Speaker 3: This rumor?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Well, I have a weird kind of scenario in my mind,
and this is not true. So take this with a
grain of salt and don't believe what I'm about to say.
But it's just one thing that I've kind of painted
in my mind. So we have Rob who has become
a great Batman and his movie just taken off.
Speaker 1: That's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like that's he's taken off and his
Batman movie is fantastic. And you have James Gunn who's
just taken over DC and he's trying to implement his
own regime and his own thing, and he just sees
that there's this Batman movie that's not his and it's
not involved with his universe he's trying to create. He's
trying to do new things. So yeah, this Batman movie
that's just lingering and loitering on his table, and he's like,
I don't want this here. So what does he do?
It's like, you know what, how do we slowly get
rid of this Batman so I can do my own thing? Well,
the movie is doing great financially, so what if we
just try and like put better, bigger, brighter things in
front of us face. So maybe he's like, hey, James
Gunn not James or James Gunn is like, hey, fig
can you hook up Rob with a job here at
the MCU. So he's just trying to like get him
out of the DC world and put him in the MCU.
And uh yeah, maybe so maybe that's what's going on,
And maybe it's just a stepping stone, you know, in
James Gunn's way of just kicking this this franchise out
from his dinner plate. But again, don't believe everything you hear.
I'm just making that up for the most part, at least,
I hope I am. I think though the possibility of
there being actual truth here, I think that there could
be like a ten percent chance that Figi has actually
reached out and showed interest because you have Rob in
a very successful superhero movie. He's a famous actor that's
not been casted yet in the MCU, and god knows,
we're running out of actors in the MCU at this point,
the big name ones, and you know that Figi loves
to land a big name for a role and some
smaller unknown ones too, but still looking for those names.
I think you're right, Kirklan, the villain would be a great,
great idea for the for for him to portray. But
he's he's definitely got his hands full, that's for sure
right now with a lot of projects, especially if you
said Ylan, he's going going maybe another Nolan film too,
Like that's a that's a lot of work, Holy smokes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we've heard so many people in in this
Nolan film potentially or even some crazyformations, and so you know,
it always could be like he was a pretty pretty
big role in Tenant and obviously be fun for him
to come back and work with Nolan again. But I
could also see that being just him being a smaller role.
Like I feel like there's so many people in Alpenheim
where it's like that's a huge actor who's in this
movie for one or two scenes or something like that,
just because they just want to be around Nolan. They
just want to see him work and that kind of thing,
especially if he has that passer relationship already through the
Tenant through Tenant, right, So, I don't know, it could
be a smaller thing, you know, maybe that's not indicative
of him being busy film in this movie for a
full year, but that'd be cool. I'd love to see
him in another major role in a Nolan film as well.
He's gonna be in the Pew role, just completely naked,
just writing sex on screen. And that's good with Killy
Murphy Murphy. Yeah, I mean, I'd be down for that.
Speaker 4: Killy Murphy is confirmed, I think for that film as well.
I can't remember, he I I can't remember.
Speaker 1: There were so many names I remember there, Tom Hollins
in there. There's some juicy ones for sure. Yeah, anyone
from Marvel. A lot of Marvel cross over there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So we got a lovely question, beautiful question. Affiliation with this, Yes,
the legendary he.
Speaker 4: Just reminded me Aaron Taylor Johnson was intended as well.
He pops in and around all these films.
Speaker 1: He does a starmaker right there. He is a star maker.
Speaker 3: Sorry, no no, no, no, no, no no no. Sorries, Mattie Seggs,
you legendary son of a gun. Question? Top three characters
you'd like to see Batsonson play in the mc U.
Speaker 4: But he's the top three, And I'm like struggling to
get too really. Yeah, I feel like just trying to
picture kind of what's coming ahead. I mean, I mean,
I guess there is very there's many different potential like
side characters.
Speaker 1: I as I was saying.
Speaker 4: I definitely would want him to be more a villain
role when I was just like looking online of of
some things that could be coming up. And of course
we've always kind of been bounced around like the Midnight
Suns thing, and I actually and ironically think he would
be a fantastic Dracula. And it's hilarious because of course
the Twilight you know, he's already playing a vampire, but
I would love him to like take that role and
play actually like a very different type of vampire. Obviously,
the Marvel Dracula is a little bit different.
Speaker 3: Like the Blade Trinity Dracula.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I feel like a prison break guy that
like played as a person break guy. Yeah, but I
put him in that role very different aesthetic though. I
would want, like, you know, shouts out to Marvel Snap.
I would like, I would want like the Marvel Snap
version when he's got like his hair in the in
the bun with with the sword and everything.
Speaker 1: Did you ever get to that part of Midnight Suns
the Dracula, No, I never did. It's a good boss.
Speaker 4: One day, one day I'll get there. But no, I
love him in that role. And then I also another
Marvel snap card. I just randomly saw Swarm on my list.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, what a wild character, very pile of bee.
Speaker 4: But I feel like they could do it in a
very interesting way that would cost a lot of money
to try and see gi the bees just surrounding him.
Speaker 1: But there you go.
Speaker 4: In a early happy Friday boy shouts up to you, Maddie,
thank you very much. And then yet the third one
that I had that I came up with was a
good old multiple man, just a good reason to have
another Mickey seventeen situation.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, a ton of different.
Speaker 4: Robert Pattinson's on screen, very nice. Well we'll see how
it goes with Mickey seventeen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I had a few pitches here, So definitely
in that villain train of thought, thing about okay, what's
up coming? We know X Men's around the corner. I
think he'd be a really interesting Magneto, although once again
kind of going against that concept of like, I don't know,
is he gonna really stick around? Magneto is gonna be
a character they want to squeeze the juice out of
for years and years to come? But what about in
mister sinister. You know, he was a big part of
X Men ninety seven, bringing that character back the darkness
of that. He's very kind of vampire like going with
your theory there, Kirkland, I think he would be super
fun in a role like that, and that is a
character that could be one that sticks around, but who knows,
maybe in the MCU proper or like X Men ninety
seventy kind of is a character that sticks around, but
perhaps in the movies kind of just a one and
done er, like you know, comes here and then like
maybe a few years it comes back something like that,
which he'd maybe more be more open for. So that's
gonna be in my top three, mister sinister. I also thought,
on the hero side of things, what about Gambit, because
we've talked about this like dead poorl Wolverine, you have
Channing Tatum, But is that gonna be our gambit in
the MCU, or is like at the tone they're gonna
go for, It's like, nah, they probably want to go
for something that's not so much of like a caricature
and like so dumb and silly and leave that stuff
for Deadpool. I feel like he could be a really
fun Gambit where he still has like the comedic chops,
the charisma chops, but also I feel like him doing
like a voice, but not like as silly of a
voice as Channing. I don't know, I think that could
be really cool. I think he kind of looks the
part because I don't I don't picture Gambit is like
a super buff dude, and to have Channing, who's just
like this beast of a man play it like I
don't know, I kind of feel like Robert Pattison's physique
is maybe like a bit more fitting for a Gambit type.
I could just I could see him slinging cards. I'm
sure he's thrown a card in a movie in his lifetime.
I can't picture it, but I'm sure he's done it.
I think he's got the face, the bone structure potentially
to fit that mask really well. What do you guys
think about that one? I like it. I think it
could work. I feel like there would be.
Speaker 4: There'd be people that would, like, I don't know, be
disappointed though we don't have the I I personally don't
want to have the Channing tatum going forward. If like
we're getting like a serious version of the Gambit I
would want it to.
Speaker 1: Definitely not forgetting a serious version. Yeah that would stay
in that Deadpool universe. But yeah, no, I could definitely
see it done. I mean, he's a very talented actor,
and I definitely got like the square jaw to fit
that whatever it's called, the head rap thing that he wears,
the head rap m.
Speaker 3: Yeah, put him in the Gambit suit. I want to
see him sling cards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be good. And then my last one here,
so yeah, I'm gonna go Gambit, mister senisor for my
number three, I'm going with that defot connection. I'm gonna
say that he can be the MCU green Goblin. I
think that would be really fun to see him riff
on that character. I think you could do a really
fun job with it. I do think of Norman as
like a bit of an older, older character, but I
don't know. I mean the MCU in general like went
for a younger and may even like Tom Holland kind
of a younger vibe than Andrew or Toby. So just
a little like the more high school setting that kind
of thing, right, I don't know. I feel like there
is perhaps more room to go for like a bit
of a younger Norman in this uh in this type
universe thing, so or he could be a multiverse version
pops up for secret ars something like that. I guess
if you're gonna do multiverse, you'd probably just bring to
Faue back. But you know what, give me de Faue
and and Pattison both playing green Goblin in the same movie,
or make them Hobgoblin. Maybe that's how you do it,
as well as like a similar character but like a different,
different version than you can have both of them on
screen at the same time. Little Lighthouse connection light is mine,
so that would be that would be cool. I'm gonna
go with yeah, a Goblin, mister Sinister, and Gambit from
my top three. Maddie, if you're sill in the chat,
let us know what your your top three are. By
the way, I want you to answer your own question
the UNO reverse card.
Speaker 3: Uh. Yes, So I was not thinking future unused characters.
I was thinking who I would want to see him
as in like uh, just reboot scenario or like multiversal whatnot?
Just characters that I think he would have or would
be perfect as. I'm just gonna say a Tony Stark.
I think he would make a great Tony Stark, I
really really dare. I like Robert Robert Tony Junior is
definitely like peak Tony Stark for sure, But I think
in a multiversal setting, I think you could definitely see
him at least I could see him playing that character
as well in another universe. And along with the the
vampire trend, I'm gonna say MCU morbus not whatever, the sonymore.
Speaker 1: Oh no, don't you dare put that evil on him.
I don't like it. I would hate that. I'd probably
love it, but I would also hate it.
Speaker 3: And my last pick would be uh, I would say Moonnight.
I really like oscar Is as Moonnight, but whenever I
see him, I just see Apocalypse and I see Podammer
and I don't see Moonnight. So I feel like if
I were to look at Rob, I would just be like, yeah,
there he is. There's there's that's fucking moon Night. There's
an inspector. So yeah, those are my three. Anything else
you guys want to add to this topic before we
eat mosey.
Speaker 1: On, I hope it happens. That's about it.
Speaker 3: I do too. All Right, We're gonna take one more
ad break here and can sue on to our next
topic and we are back. So this is a topic
I am super super stoked to talk about. But we've
got a lot of bad Lands news. Predator bad Lands news.
Speaker 4: Lay it on me when you I'm assuming it was
you that put it in the note on the predator
bad Land connection. No, it is Travis, Okay, Like it
was like, what even was the note predator is the
villain of bad Lands or something. I thought it was
like a crossover property as as in the bad Lands
with something else, and we're getting some interesting predator inclusion.
Speaker 3: But it's from the predator's point of view.
Speaker 4: Ooh, that's interesting. That that tingles my fancy a little bit.
Speaker 1: Has that never been done before? Maybe? No, probably be
the closest.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Like there's some sequences and kind of all
the predators have moments of like from the predator's view
right of them, like seeing their prey with the.
Speaker 1: More like a horror element. Yeah, I guess so, But
that's interesting bad Lands later on me, Taylor, give me
some beats.
Speaker 3: Uh, that's all I got that. Yeah, it's just I mean,
there was some other information that I sourced where it
looks like we're gonna be visiting like an alien world
too for a part of it, a part of the movie,
which is very exciting. So I think that on top
of visiting.
Speaker 1: And sorry by alien world like alien the.
Speaker 3: Friends, not alien like that, just another alien planet, which
is I think that's great on.
Speaker 1: My planet where my planet or a driver Adam Driver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think though that you just dealing with a
predator where it's basically there. Yeah, it's their their adventure,
their journey, that they're the main protagonists. That's just such
a different concept and it's a brilliant idea on how
to keep this franchise fresh and going, especially because you
have that success of Prey, which Prey was piggybacking off
of the the classic and the the the general theme
of Predator where you have someone who is severely in
over their head and they're able to use their smarts
and not just their muscles or technology to overcome a
sophistically technologically more advanced, hyper intelligent predator like creature. So
I think that being the most reoccurring thing with this franchise,
being able to turn it on its feet. Now, just
give us that kind of like this character, like I
don't know if we're going to have human characters in
this show, in this movie, I don't know what the
deal is going to be, Like if it's actual just
a prey's going Oh, there definitely will be, but not
in like a mainline sense. Like if this movie starts
off where we're following this predator and building a relationship
and a connection with this predator, like on their first
hunt on an alien planet, hunting aliens we've never seen before,
that's gonna be the coolest thing ever. And then they're
gonna like they're gonna beam back up to their main
Predator mothership, but we're gonna see a bunch of predators
like and they're communicating and talking and they're like, oh,
we're gonna send you to Earth for a hunt. It's like, Oh,
this is gonna be so cool just getting this kind
of like perspective and just being able to explore the
more the origin. And like I said in the discord,
like AVP two, that was the only Predator movie that
we've ever gotten to see live action in the Predator
wome world. And so if we get to see a
little bit more of that kind of home world vibe,
that's just gonna be great. There's so many blanks with
this this ip and this the species that could be
filled by doing a project on this type of aesthetic
and this type of direction and narrative. And so it
really has me excited just to see and learn so
much more about their culture and how do things because
at its base and at its core, the only thing
I could really speak to with predators is, Okay, they
won't kill you if you're armed. They won't kill you
if you're a kid, I guess, but there's weird kind
of convolusion convolusions. It's a little convoluted on how they
can kind of operate while how young do you have
to be for them to not kill you?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: I don't know, because like even if you even being
a kid, if you were to pull a gun out,
I don't know. Because you see in Predator two, you
have this kid in the graveyard with a toy gun
and he's like benda banga bang, baby bang, and the
predator sees that and like locks it on the gun,
but doesn't kill the kid because the kid lowers his
toy guns. I don't know. I'm not exactly sure what
they where they would draw the.
Speaker 1: Line ev P one, you know, he finds Whalen heart
problems too old. Yeah, right, there's a middle area, a
little golden goldiewalk zone for the best age to kill someone.
Do we know if this one's going theatrical? Unlike Praise, Okay.
Speaker 3: This one is.
Speaker 4: It was pretty theatrical because it was around COVID. I
can't remember when that.
Speaker 3: No, this was them just trying to get their toes
wet in cheaper but franchise exactly, and because of its success.
I think that is one of the big kickers for
Why Alien Romulus because that was gonna be straight to
streaming as well. But then they were like, Okay, we'll
give it some more money. Pray did great, Let's throw
it on the big screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do wonder did they re release Pray at all?
Speaker 3: Like did they have they did a physical They did
a physical release, but they did not.
Speaker 1: Do it's never been in the Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, I
guess I wonder them what the budget of this movie is.
I mean, I don't know if we have that information,
we probably when is it coming out? Is it coming
out next year?
Speaker 3: Taylor?
Speaker 1: Let me get a date because it done filming at
this point. What's the status of this film right now?
Speaker 3: Because they have an official release date of November seventh,
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Oh so it's it's got some work left to be done.
I would imagine maybe a reshoot three and then edded
that baby up and send her out the door. I guess, yeah,
humans in this movie, just based on what you're saying,
it to me seems like almost taking the wrong lessons
of why Pray was his success. And Pray was a
different kind of success because it wasn't a box office success.
It was just a streaming thing and reception was really good.
But I kind of feel like, and I'm not an
expert on Prey. We did the Alien retro and I
watch those AVP movies, but I'm not an expert on
these movies at all. I kind of what I really
loved about Pray is is that it was kind of
a pretty simple story with easy, kind of relatable characters,
and it seemed like a more simplistic thing. They weren't
going to over the top with it, of like seql itis,
of just making the stakes and things bigger and grander
and crazier, and based on what you're pitching there, Taylor
of like going to different planets, going back to the
Alien Home World, having all these different predators communicating, fan
dangling each other. It just sounds like that just sounds
like budget. It sounds like a really expensive movie, and
I feel like, Okay, if you're gonna put it on
the big screen, yeah, maybe give it a little more
juice on the on the money front. But also like,
you don't want this to be you don't want to
balloon the budget to the point where you have to
make it be a huge success at the box office
for it to get its return right. And I don't know,
I kind of I kind of hope it is more
on this scale or vibe of what Prey was, But
just like I don't think you need to make make
any changes of that movie and released on the big screen.
I think it was perfectly cinematic and bombastic enough and
enough of like a kind of a blockbuster type thing.
So I don't know, we'll see. I guess I maybe
am worried for them if they go to Ham with this.
In terms of some of those pitches you had, it
just seems like maybe taking the wrong lesson like that
just sounds very AVP to me, and like AVP was
not a success at the that we have the numbers
for that right, not a success, So I don't know,
we'll see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just getting to kind of what you were talking about, Taylor,
with like the setup of I guess the idea what
the movie is it?
Speaker 1: Actually, you reminded me too. I actually just recently watched Predators,
which is pretty simil to kind of what you're pitching,
where like, right, like, the Predators are on an alien planet.
Speaker 4: The only difference is it's not from the Predator point
of view, so it would seem like this would kind
of be from the Predator point of view. I can't
really see this not having humans in it, even though
I think I would prefer actually not having humans in there.
I just feel especially since we went through the retro
you know, AVPs Near and Dear to my Heart, But
in those like in the AVP movies, I feel like
the worst parts are around the humans and those characters,
and I would just be so much more interested in
focusing on the Predators and kind of just that side
of it, because I'm right there with you. I feel
like the most interesting stuff is kind of their their
traditions and like what their their code of conduct has
to be, you know, the Assassin's creed of the predators,
because I'm sure they have their own tenants and rules
and whatnot to follow. So I like what I'm hearing
for sure, and I agree with Dylan and some of
like the maybe potential I don't even want to call
them red flags, maybe gray flags of of of what
maybe they're they're getting away from what they learned of
like why Pray was as a success. I feel like
I wasn't really thinking about it until you mentioned that
they're Dylan, so definitely something to you know, to be
note full of.
Speaker 1: But no, I like this pitch for sure.
Speaker 4: And I I'm I don't know how humans would work
in this situation, but I still feel like there are going.
Speaker 1: To be humans, like ninety nine percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I met.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're just like someone crash lands on this planet
and that's kind of how they get thrown on the mix.
But I hope nonetheless, it is pretty minor, And yeah,
it is kind of with what you're pitching their tailor
just from the predator point of view.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that idea. I struggling to picture how
that works, but I think that's kind of a good
thing in a sense that it's something different and fresh
and new and that could be really cool. I just yeah,
I don't know if I need generic, boring human means,
but maybe I do. Like maybe I think I don't
because I want to think I'm cool and interesting, unique,
but then maybe I'm in theater. I'm like, I'm not
feeling connected to this guy because he doesn't speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's like Transformers, right. I think you have
several Transformers movies where the Transformers are having relationships with
the humans and like the humans are like the with
the not sexual relation, not sexual, but they have these uh,
these friendships and the humans are the main characters, and
so I think that if you were, but.
Speaker 1: The movies are never from the Transformers point of view?
Are they who? Who's who? Is the point of view
of the.
Speaker 3: Shia definitely is like the main characters in those movies,
but you do get like I feel like Optimist is
like the main Transformer character, like where you get his
his perspective and he's definitely like the main that you're
following after Shia. But that might be up to interpretation.
So I feel like if people do pitch that idea
of that concept, like hey, let's just have if you've
seen Bumblebee that first opening sequence on Cybertron. Let's just
get a movie of that with no humans, just the
Transformers doing doing their stuff. They're they're battling and everything
like that. And I know we got that Prime movie,
that animated one which I've not seen yet and i'd
like to because I heard good things like that one
that might be it. I can't remember what it was called. Yeah,
that's that's kind of like what I'm thinking, like we
would need but more like than a live action CGI
kind of style, just without the humans. But I mean
in the concept like for Predator, like do something like
that with Predator but with no humans. I'm okay to
do a Predator movie to avoid of humans. Maybe at
the end you have any stragg of like like oh
he's done his hunt now he's going to Earth and
we can all be all giddy like oh Earth humans.
Speaker 1: Fuck. So yeah, I can't what is the what is
predator speech? Like? Can they make grunts and things like that?
Or can they speak English? They can speak English, they
can speak Oh yeah, fuck, you're gonna pull up the
Predator video I'll get laughing. And how do they do that?
Is it like a voice box? Situation that is beyond
imagine their lungs and or their vocal chords. They're looking
awfully different than a human zone.
Speaker 4: They look pretty yeah, pretty abnormal. It's yeah. No, I
don't remember them speaking English at all. All I remember
is after the first Predator, when you have the predator laughing.
It sounds very very interesting. See if I can find
see Taylor's he's finding there. It's interesting because like just
the topic of like having humans in these in these films,
and like, has there ever been a live action movie
without like just regular humans and in the movie, like
if it is just a CGI character even though it
is like in a live action world, is that there's
got to be something out there? But like it's hard
for me to to really picture that, Like if if
they were going to do a project that is not
an animated project, but there's also not like humans involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is it?
Speaker 3: Let me know if you can hear this? Can you
hear it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know share my audio.
Speaker 1: Moral of the story though the Predator.
Speaker 3: Can speak English, Yes, I definitely can.
Speaker 1: Is that what you want though, Taylor? When you're talking,
how like the predators can talk to each other? Like,
are you wanting like subtitle like gurgly noises or because
it wouldn't really make sense for them to speak English
back on their home base. Right.
Speaker 3: You actually make a very good point because I don't
know if I'll be able to find it in here.
It's here, so you have I have seen you have
seen this one, so right here, this is what you get.
You get predators talking to each other. That was horrible
because it didn't actually Stradley to ingle. That's all we get.
Speaker 1: You kind of assume what they're saying to each other.
But they're not speaking English here right, just noises.
Speaker 3: No, they're they're talking like predder language.
Speaker 4: You do the Avatar two thing where it starts off
and them speaking their their alien language, and then it
just like morphs into English just for the sake of
the the film. You know, we we we we take
it as they're speaking their own language, but for the
sake of the film, we can understand them. I don't
know how they would do it, because they wouldn't do
the whole thing subtitled.
Speaker 1: It would work for me. No, that's not what they would.
Speaker 3: I don't know why that's that should be changed in English.
I don't know what they're.
Speaker 4: Doing here with that, but maybe you just you know,
you self translated it when you saw it the first
saw it.
Speaker 3: I knew exactly learned the language. It's I'm like, I'm
big on the subtitles now these days, and so I
think that I think that would be more fitting because
when a predator is talking in their own language, they're
clicking and they're making crow sounds. I don't know if
you've heard like a crow like that.
Speaker 1: Those are two very different goodbye both, okay in between
the two. Yeah, well, there's no way though they're gonna, Okay,
pray with success, let's go to the big screen with
not a single word spoken in English and just subtitles
the whole time. There's no way they do that. There's
no way. There's absolutely no way. When they speak like
the you know, the Predator version, like they did that
with Pray, right, they released the two versions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Like when thet.
Speaker 3: When when the prenator does speak English, it's much more
like like you have Arnold, like what the hell are you?
And then the preyer is like a like kind of
like the parakeet or something something like that. They repeat
what people they repeat what people.
Speaker 1: Say like like a baby, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of that in the second Predator
movie because like you have the kid I was talking
about the gun, and he's like, want some candy, and
then the mom calls the kid away, and so when
the Predator is dealing with our main like protagonist movie,
the Predator is like, want some candy.
Speaker 1: Like any the Predator won't kill someone if they have
a weapon earlier, he will.
Speaker 3: But it really depends on the situation. Like there's you
have this female cop chase and Predator and she's got
a gun and the Preadtor picks her up and sees
that she's pregnant, so the Predator's like, Okay, I'm gonna
leave you. But then you have a VP where Whalen
is like, don't turn your back on me and fucking
blast him with fire and the Predator's just the Predator
just like ices him with his blade. So it's situational
interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, depends on the Klan. I'm struggling to understand
this world of Predator, but maybe.
Speaker 3: That's why we need this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. From his perspective. Finally we can see
how he.
Speaker 3: Thinks anything else on the preader topic.
Speaker 1: No, take me home. I hope it's a banger. I
hope it's a banger. I I hope it's not bad.
Preferentru Uh.
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna take our last ad break before we
get into some trailers, so we'll be right back and
we are back, So what who wants to take it away?
Speaker 1: You can?
Speaker 3: We can just the classic like round off sound off
on trailers.
Speaker 1: Round off and the sound off? Can I round it
and sound it with? I just got some questions about
Sonic and what the hell is going on here is
I've not seen either of these movies. I don't play
these games. I don't know what the heck is going on.
But I watched this trailer and I was so just
shocked at everything I was seeing here. Uh it's talking
about egg Man, Like is Eggman in the first two movies?
Is he trying to destroy the Earth? Because I was
kind of surprised at the scale of this where he's
at the point now where he's looking to just blow
up earth. It seems like I thought he was just
like a hooligan, you know, who kind of like pranks
people and stuff. But I guess I'm surprised to see
him this wrong. Is this what he's doing in the
first two movies? What's going on?
Speaker 4: I I've seen both these movies. I'm having a hard
time remembering exactly what his motivation is. I feel like
he's just obsessed with like the power of like what
Sonic is, so like he wants the rings. I can't
even remember if the Chaos Emerald is in this property.
Speaker 3: It was in the second movie that's came in.
Speaker 4: Okay, there you go, and then there's Knuckles in there,
which is just a fever t show. Yeah, I do
not remember that at all, other than some bowling sequences.
Speaker 1: Robert, Oh, I remember the bowling stuff in the show. Yeah,
I I honestly forgot. We even did a review of that,
Taylor that was that was definitely a few great listen,
Great listen, thanks for listening. But uh, yeah, no, I
I definitely, especially like in the Games, I kind of
always saw him as almost like a doctor evil type
villain where he just like, I'm going to destroy the
world unless you give me all the money and like
power and stuff like that. So I just kind of
put him in that box like that's kind of just
who he is. He's just the guy who's trying to
destroy the world. So yeah, but I can't really give
you a nice sulliat I mean, clearly, I'm having a
hard time remembering these other movies. I haven't seen them
in a little bit. Now, how about like his brother
Eggman's got a brother in this? Is that cannon? Is
that always a thing?
Speaker 3: Grandfather? No, I believe it's his grandfather. And I'm only
saying that because this how and this is kind of
like some backstory here, some lore. His grandfather was involved
with Shadow the Hedgehog, and Shadow of the Hedgehog was manufactured
by some very dark energy that exists, and the government
got afraid of that and wanted to then ax Shadow.
But Shadow had befriended this young girl, which I believe
was egg Man, like Grandpa Eggman's daughter, and and she
got killed. The government ended up killing her. That's why
Shadow is such a villain. That's why you've seen the trailer.
Shadow is like befriending with this little girl, and then
it flashes to the tank being like shattered, of the
glass being destroyed, and he's kind of upset and pissed.
So technically, in the Lord the Grandfather egg Man was
supposed to have died, and it's I'm not one hundred
percent sure on the rest of it, but the baseline is, Okay,
Shadow had a relationship with this girl, and this girl
was in some affiliation or relation with the Eggmen family
or Robotic family, and then she was killed. Shadow became bad.
Hated this, and so that's why he is so evil.
If I had to pick, I feel like the Robotanik
that we know, the young one is not necessarily on
the like destroyed the world kind of a train. I
think he's more like the conquert And I bet you
might be I'd be inclined to say you could see
the two Eggmen kind of going against each other. And
then maybe the Granda Eggman is the one who's trying
to like destroy everything and ruin everything and Young egg
Men doesn't really really want that.
Speaker 1: But juicy, that's wild. These guys read all the novels. Yeah,
I feel like all my knowledge.
Speaker 4: On the Shadow storyline is what I've gotten from Sonic
of Venture to Battle, because you kind of like you
kind of follow that story and all of the Shadow
stuff is kind of through flashbacks and like you see
the sequences between him and the little girl and definitely
remember an older gentleman. So yeah, good good memory there,
Taylor on it being robot Nick's grandfather, Like I I
couldn't remember what if it was his uncle or something,
because Eggman like goes to that secret base, which I
don't know I would say too much because I don't
know how much it is like pulled from the game
for this story spoiler wise, But yeah, no, I'm I
and I feel like it is a lot to unpack.
Like Taylor just gave a good explanation. But I hope
that's something that's really digestible when the movie comes out,
because there's gonna be many people that have no idea
what's going on with with with this stuff. I mean, clearly,
even I was lost. I thought that was just a
clone of egg Man or something.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, let's not forget the legendary quote by
Jim Carrey in twenty twenty two, you'd only act in
another movie if it was and I quote a script
that's written in gold ink and here he is Sonic three,
So they probably wrote it in gold ink and served
it up to him. So there you go.
Speaker 1: And he had to do it because it couldn't double back.
It's a Christmas miracle. There's a there's a scene with
Santa in this what's going on there? I have no
is that the actual Santa? Is that like a flashback?
Is that like a dream sequence? Is that just a
funny little gag they put in there to get.
Speaker 4: Feel like Santa is like a real thing. I don't know,
like for sure. I'm just like, that's my prediction.
Speaker 1: Is Eggman like a human from Earth in this world?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I don't know why Grandpa egg Man is Santa.
I can't figure that one out.
Speaker 1: It's just the Yeah, hopefully we get that explained. I
personally really like this trailer. I feel like I've.
Speaker 4: I've been digging all of these trailers just because Shadows
in it. And I'm just such a sucker for Shadow.
I already mentioned Shadow or Sonic Adventure to Battle. I
love that game and like following shadow storyline in that,
And then of course I love the game Shadow the Hedgehog,
which is kind of a very different storyline. I don't
remember the little girl being in that movie or sorry,
in that game at all, but Shadow is just such
a badass character. I feel like I because I just
love the character of Sonic. I just naturally fell in
love with like the dark version of him. It was
just a lot more emo, I guess, and just just
more powerful, especially seeing him pop off with the Emeralds
and in here seeing him showcase with the I don't know,
the little orb thing that he had, which was like
a black hole that he was popping off with, And
I'm just really hoping that there's some good, juicy clash
in between him and Sonic. I think it's guaranteed to happen,
and then I imagine how it goes. As you know,
he ends up being kind of a not necessarily a
good guy at the end, just like an anti hero
because it's kind of what he is in the Sonic universe,
and just kind of a neutral guy. So I imagine
he'll be driving off on his motorcycle at the end.
I don't think he'll die, just because he is a
very popular character, and I imagine they'd want to really
juice that lemon as much as they can. But yeah, no, overall,
and Keanu, of course, count is fantastic. So yeah, very
much looking forward to this movie.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I'm excited for this movie so I mean
you see Shadow with like his gun from the game too,
that's pretty crazy and just yeah, there's a whole bunch
of fun little things in here, and I can't wait
to see just how it's gonna kind of cap off
our story unless we get a Sonic four, I don't know,
but we'll see. We'll see if any other character is
actually appearing here too on top of Shadow, I'd be
stoked if we see some other familiar familiar creatures coming in.
Speaker 1: So yeah, cool, nice Other trailers exist. I could not
find this Mickey seventeen trailer. Gonna be honest with me,
neither me neither false. Okay, we're good. Oh that one
from two months ago? Uh, where are you guys at
with we Elio or ele EO? This Pixar yeah picture.
I thought it looked cute like nothing that like just
made my jaw drop, Like, I think it will be
a nice cute adventure, Like the animational lot reminded me
of Luca. I think it is like the just the
character design reminded me of it, and I really like Luca.
I thought it was a really cute film and I
don't know, like Pixar is a pretty safe bet I
I've liked pretty much all of all their movies, so
I assume this one will be a funny adventure. But yeah, yeah,
it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It didn't have that like special sum GENI st qua
about it where I'm like, oh, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Have to see this radit theater release. I'll probably see
this at home, but nonetheless I'll look cute. I'm excited
to see just the different creatures and stuff that he
interacts with. It almost it's weirdly feels like very small
scale for Pixar. I feel like every Pixar trailers like
all this crazy bombastic things and characters going into imaginary
worlds with all sorts of wild stuff happening, and obviously
gets sucked up by these aliens and he's hanging out
with them. But I kind of feel like that's the
extent of it so far, and like this is being
the second trailer. I was kind of expecting a bit
more juice than the first one, but it kind of
felt like a bit of a rehash of that first one.
So I don't know. Maybe they'll start dishing out some
more closer to its actual release, because it's still quite
a far time way away, but Yeah, it's just not
it's not grabbing me for some reason, so I don't
I don't know what it is about it, but something
something's missing right now. It really reminded me of Over
the Moon if if you guys, I don't think you've
seen that one. It's it's on Netflix. It's uh, I
don't know, just similar type of idea of like going
into space and different creatures and stuff, but recommend it.
It's really good. Nice.
Speaker 3: I'm actually really looking forward to this. I watched the
trailer and I was actually really cut off guard and
thought like, this actually seems like a really cute movie.
Or you have this kid who's just kind of feels
out of place, and then finally like Alien's answer. It
just it gave me like an ET phone home kind
of vibe, and I'm digging it. So this is something
I'm definitely gonna be keeping keeping my eyes and ears
open for when it rolls around in June.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: How to Change Your Dragon. I'm I really really like
this trailer. A big fan of the series How to
Train Your Dragons probably Shay's favorite movie of all time.
She rewatches that movie so many times in a year,
and this looks pretty much like dead comparison to the
to the first film, especially like even trailer wise, it's
funny we even have like Gerard Butler back playing the
character that he plays in the animated show, like it
does the voice of the King.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 4: Like it watching the animated show, it's like this, this
animated character looks like Gerard Butler, so it's funny that
he's back here for the live action film. And the
little Kid, I think he's gonna I say, he's.
Speaker 1: A little kid. He's a little bit older than a
little kid. He's maybe just a kid. He's a young man,
but old enough for the predator to kill him. Yeah,
especially if he's carrying that axe. You know, the predator's
gonna scan him put him out of his misery.
Speaker 4: But no, I think this actually looks really good. However,
I will say I feel like seeing this trailer, and
the trailer looks really good. Toothless looks really really good.
I feel like all the shots look really good. I
feel like, at best this movie just won't be as
good as the original. And I kinda feel that for
like all of these live action remakes, obviously for like
a classic like Nostalgic remake. It's it's tough to recapture
that magic and just top what the original would have had.
But I feel like I'm gonna see this and it's
gonna be like a really good version, but I'll still
probably like the animated version more and I'd love to be,
you know, fooled by that and uh turned around. But
I just like I thought that with the Last Avatar,
like the Netflix series, Like I thought the trailers looked
really great and like the show was good, but it's
just nowhere near the levels of what the original is
because you're just able to spend so much more time.
That's different because it's a TV show versus a movie.
So maybe this one will be that much better. But
I mean, it's it's tough to really say for me personally,
like negative things about this trailer, Like everything looks good.
The dragons look really good. So yeah, I'm very much
looking forward to this and this will probably be a
nice early movie theater watch for for Shane and I.
We we saw the last one in theaters together, So yeah.
Speaker 1: Is she excited for this live? Actually?
Speaker 4: Yea, she really is. She really liked all the shots
of it. I really like the casting and everything. So yeah,
she's as a big How to Train a Dragon fan,
She's that's good.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the best praise I can get.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Oh man, I am ecstatic for this this.
Seeing the trailer, it it felt like there was just
so much passion that was really invested into this and
I really really like that. And it's funny to think
how we went through this time when okay, books were
the spotlight to be adapted into films, and now it's like, oh,
are we hitting the thing. We're animated films are now
being adapted into live action. I mean we're getting that
with Frozen, we're getting with Muana and so all these
other films too. So it's just kind of funny to
be seeing how things are going. But this just it
looks great. It really really looks great, and I can't wait.
And I'm assuming, well, this movie could stand on its
own as a stand alone. I'm assuming we were going
to get a trilogy of live action films for this,
because I mean there are three How to Train Your
Dragon movies.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, We'll see how it does financially. I guess
it's all about that money.
Speaker 3: What have we gotten next for trailers. We got Dexter
original sin How do you feel.
Speaker 1: I was gonna I felt weird watching this trailer. I'm
not gonna lie. It just it feels it feels I
don't want to.
Speaker 4: Say fan made or something, but it just feels like
like some sort made Yeah, okay, it feels fan made.
It feels like someone made a recreation of like their
version of Dexter as like a fun trailer. Uh. And
then you have like Michael C. Hall's voice in there
as like a narrator at parts, which just feels like
which is taken from the original Dexter show. And watching
this trailer, it didn't really make me want to watch this.
It just made me want to rewatch Dexter like it
was reminded me of like the early seasons of Dexter.
And I I don't know, like I I don't want
to shit talk all the casting or whatnot, but it's
just like, man, like I've seen this already, like like
with Michael C. Hall, So I I don't think that's
really this trailer was a good trailer, like selling me
on the show, because I I don't know, it just
seems like it's in the exact same era of like
when Dexter was going on, like especially like from the
first season, so I know it's a.
Speaker 1: Little bit earlier than that.
Speaker 4: But like Christian Slater, we've already talked about, like he's
this show, like he's older then, like the original Harry
was at the time of that show. I don't think
he really looks like he's older, but you know, he's
a little bit less ringkly.
Speaker 1: It's hard to see him as Harry though. Yeah, no,
I agree, he's like a lot of the other casting
they picked people that's like, Okay, I can believe this,
but that one.
Speaker 4: Batista is like he looks like a young Batista for sure.
But yeah, I know, it was a weird trailer to
watch because it really just didn't sell me on the show.
It mostly just sold me on I wanted to rewatch Dexter,
and I don't know hopefully, like I can't. Oh my gosh,
what's the actress's name, the blonde lady, like the new
character that's in there. I guess that's like the one
thing that stood out which seemed different from what the
original was. But for the most part, it just kind
of seems like the same show again.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I like Dexter enough, but yeah
for a trailer, not really selling me on.
Speaker 3: It, Sarah Michelle Geller, is that what you're thinking of?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Dexter's mentor kind of that character.
Speaker 1: Maybe not hold on me.
Speaker 3: She was like the blood and Forensics lady, I think,
and she was like showing like Dexter, like, oh, the
splatter and stuff like that splatter matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Daphne from Scooby Doo or not Daphne. Yeah, no, Daphne.
Speaker 1: Big crossover, that would be a fitting ish crossover. Yeah.
I I echo everything that Kirkland says. It just feels
my skin crawls a little bit watching this. It just
feels uncanny. I don't like it. And then I the
one thing that really threw me off, And maybe it
was just one line, one delivery, one weird edit, but
it's like when the detective guy you like, pointing up
to the board and he says, starting to look like
a serial killer or project up in here, and just
like the way that line was delivered was so cheesy
and silly. I'm like, what is that gonna be the
tone of this show? It's gonna be like a goofy,
silly Dexter thing. Like the music too like kind of
backs that up, Like, I you know, see like the
seed Dexter with long hair again, but it's like it's
slightly different long hair than before, which is hilarious to
see given how much the Four of Us meme about
that particular thing. But it just it's just odd and
just I don't like it. Yeah, I don't know where
the Detective. I thought it would be the they scrubbed
it on the internet, the.
Speaker 4: Old the detective when he's pointing, like that scene that
you mentioned that was just really cheesy. It actually reminded
me of Michael Keaton's like cop character from the Other Guys,
which is again, like a very comedic role and not
really what I would be wanting.
Speaker 1: For this type of show.
Speaker 4: I think Dexter has its moments of being kind of comedic,
but that's definitely not the main you know, like it
is still a very serious show for the most part.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been apprehensive about this, but to be honest,
this trailer made me kind of want to start actually
watching the show. I feel like, no, no, no, this
this new one. Part of me feels like this is
going to be a show that I'm I'm thinking too
much of like Penguin, But I feel like, Okay, this
show is gonna come out and I'm gonna watch it,
and I'm thinking, oh man, this is actually a lot
better than my thought, and I think there's gonna be
just with the narrations of Dexter and everything like that,
it's just gonna really kind of pull pull me in
a little bit. So I'm apprehensive, and I just I
need I think I need to see like the first
or second episode and really get my feelers in there
for what this show is going to be. Like, I
think the way that this trailer started off and Travis
was raving about it in the discord go check out
our discords. Uh, but he was talking about how he
like he knew this is gonna segue into that resurrection
series that they've announced as well, where Okay, Dexter lives,
and that's how the trailer starts, where he's in the
snow and they're trying they get him to the hospital,
they're trying to bring him back, and it's like, oh,
your life flashes before your eyes, and so we get
this this young Dexter original Sin show. So there just
seems like there's a lot of things in here. And
even that young Masuka where he laughed that, oh my god,
that Masuka is just he's a character that really just
cracks me up in the original show, so seeing him
here is just that's that's something else. And yeah, young
Batista and LaGuerta like all these different like characters that
are like young and they're starting off in these different
narratives for their their characters.
Speaker 1: Like what's that no Doak saying No.
Speaker 3: I didn't remember seeing him in the trailer, but I
bet there was he I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's like a powerful presence on screen,
and I didn't feel that through the tree. I think
it was just Doakes, but the actors like not as.
Speaker 3: I think he was wearing glasses or something at one
quick scene actually before he.
Speaker 1: Got old jacked. He's like a little little nerdy I
tea surprise.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. I I'm definitely getting excited. I'm apprehensive, but
I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I wish I could be there with the optimism. I
like that, but not there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I I think that does it. If it's
unless there's anything else. You guys, have you want to
slide in there, but I think we can close this
episode out.
Speaker 1: No, I'm I'm already slither out of here.
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