Speaker 1: Hi, This is Christina and Carmen and this is a
Spooky Tells, a podcast for all things at Spooky True
Crime Hunts, Polis Smiths Legends in Latin America. And today
is not a normal episode because well, I don't know. Oh,
I think we're a little behind because we did recently
have a vacation together. Yes we did, and it wasn't
a vacation vacation like we did things, but we also
had like events that way right right right, Yeah, The
point being it took time away from time to research,
time to write notes, time to record, and so we
are behind. Yes, So we have a little gift for
you today. I a while back recorded an episode with
Aiden from Susto that was for Patreon only originally, and
we yapped about the movie Weapons and it was a
lot of fun. I almost was like, let's start a
movie podcast. And you know what, I think I said
it in the episode. You'll hear me say that, but RDC,
I didn't. I didn't because I don't need to start
another part. I don't have time for another pod. I
don't know, I don't. But what we do occasionally do
over on Patreon is yap about movies recap them, rehash,
discuss it's so fun. And we just did one for Patreon.
We watched the Mexican horror movie Kilt. You know, it
was a time, very fun time was had. Yes, and
we have plans for other movies. We're gonna do an
episode about Frankenstein with MJ. I'm gonna watch that time recording.
I'm gonna watch it tonight. Sorry, and before we start
this actual episode that you'll be hearing. Have you heard
that you have to watch Frankenstein with your Mexican eyes?
You have to mexicanly watch it to fully enjoy it.
I was there because I honestly think I watch everything
Mexican le. I do everything mexicanly sometimes Salve Doorian Lee, yes, yeah,
next to Salvey Dorian Lye exactly. And I was feeling
the vibes. Okay, the Catholicism. I spotted it immediately. I
am so excited. That reminds me another I think, I
don't know when, but I want to do a series
of episodes on all the not all the Saints, but
like the spooky of Saints, or like Catholic legends in Mexico,
because there's so many of them. Yeah, and that's honestly
about we all love horror so much because that is
the original spookiness, sirvitualness, that gothic look. It is embedded
in Catholicism. Yes, yes, so that's gonna come up for
the actual podcast. And then yeah, over on Patren, we're
gonna be talking about movies a ton. So enjoy this
episode as like a little bonus thing. And if you
like what you hear, there's more of that over on Patreon.
Patreon members, I have to make and send stickers, and
there's a couple of people that I have to send
keychains to because they just joined the highest tier. You're welcome, yes, welcome, welcome,
And I will do that this week, I promise, well
the next week because this is gonna come on Friday.
I'm not doing it on the weekend, right right right, right,
right right right right. So yeah, other than that, enjoy
and you'll catch a normal episode next week. Bye bye, Hi.
This is Christina and Aiden and this is a Patroon episode.
Speaker 2: Your other half, yeah, she's gone.
Speaker 1: And also she hasn't seen the movie, so I was like,
I know who saw it?
Speaker 2: Again, I'm like, listen if I'm not at work, home
or working at Swistol, I'm at the movies.
Speaker 1: Probably I love this. I love this same now that
my husband and I are in the same place then
and like a twenty minute bus ride from the really
nice movie theater, and so I'll just be like, all right,
I'll be back and then I come back. And that's
when how I saw weapons. He dropped me off and
then I rode the bus back because we don't have childcare.
But I'm like, this is nice. Like I love enjoying
a movie BYuT myself, just sitting there with my popcorn.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the last time I went to a
movie by myself was it was A Terror Tuesday here
at Almo draft House. And we live really close to
the theater that we go to, but we do have
to drive there. Like I could walk it, but it
would be really intense because it's really super hilly. Yeah. Oh,
it's like this really steep hill that I'm like, I'm
not gonna do that. But the last time I went alone,
Jeff was out of town for work and it was
A Terror Tuesday and I had seen it before, but
it had been years, and so I was like, yeah,
I'll just god. I had the ticket already. I went
by myself. I was so scared to sleep that night.
It was Lake Mango.
Speaker 1: Oh I really, I have been meaning to watch it.
I've heard so much about it and I just haven't
seen it.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's very creepy. It's kind of like mockumentary slash
found footage.
Speaker 1: I love a mockumentary.
Speaker 2: Me too, me too, And so yeah, I went alone.
And you know, we've been going for like a long
time now, so I was like, yeah, I'll be fine.
Like the movies are never really that. It's hard to
scare me with the movie. And so yeah, I saw
that one and I forgot how creepy it was. So
I got home and I was like, oh my god,
I have to make it through the night by myself.
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, no. Another. My husband is so annoying
about horror movies. He's so logical, too logical. He brew
in The Walking Dead for me for years and then
I'll whatever, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Keep watching it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's just too logical, and so I hate
going to horror movies with him. So I'd really rather
go by myself.
Speaker 2: But that's all like, that's all movies are, is like
any movie plot, it's gonna go against logic. That's how
you can. Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you always hear his ass during Lord of the Rings,
and I'm like, bitch, you're not gonna say anything about.
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings. Really no, literally, just don't put
the ring on. It's that simple and it won't mess
with you. Easy, done, done. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, weapons, that's what we're here to yap about.
The's s knopsis and okay, let me just read this,
and then I have to say, like, okay, okay. When
when all but one child from the same class miss
seriously vanished on the same night at exactly the same time,
a community is left questioning who or what is behind
their disappearance, and I feel like that tells you nothing
but everything at the same.
Speaker 2: Time, which I loved that about this, Like the rollout
for this movie, I feel like a lot of the
advertising and the trailers for it, it didn't give too
much away, if anything, because what I thought I was
going to walk into and what I ended up watching
were very different. And I loved that because it's so
common now that the trailer is you watch it and
you're like, well, like.
Speaker 1: It gives everything away? Yes, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know, maybe like maybe it's
like a trend in like with marketing agencies or PR
or whatever that they're like, we need to let people
know what they're going to experience that they can buy
into it. But I don't know. I like the mystery.
I like walking in not knowing what's going to happen.
Like that's why I also I don't really read movie
reviews before watching a movie because I don't I don't
want any expectation put on it. I just want to
go in like unaware of what's going to happen. And
so I liked that. I don't know if it was intentional,
but to me, that's how I interpreted the promotion for
this movie.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was intentional because once we start
like seeing or once I started reading interviews because I
think you might be the same as me. But after
I watch something, I have to like read everything I
can about it, director interviews, actor interviews, people talking about it.
So I read it interviews, and I feel like the
director lives in vagueness, like he loves the vagueness because
especially with answers that he'll give, which I did write down.
So yeah, I think it was intentional, but the trailer,
like all we saw from the trailer was like footage
that appeared to be reen camera footage with kids like
running anime style.
Speaker 2: Yeah run, yeah, oh my god, and that's it, Like
that's all I Like.
Speaker 1: I went in knowing nothing except really the name of
the movie, and I was like, kids are gonna run
anime style. That's all I knew. And I I it
blew my. I mean, I had no expectations. So I
loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed even like I think it's very obviously like,
oh this is this is a paranormal like supernatural kind
of thing, but I also felt like it could have
very well like based on just that trailer, along with
the kids sneaking out, I was thinking this could also
very easily veer into like true crime or like psychological thriller,
you know, yes, And so that's I liked that it
kind of walked that edge during their during the trailer.
Speaker 1: You know what was surprising to me, I saw people
a lot of people say that they thought it was
going to be about aliens, and I was like, oh,
I never thought that, but I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I didn't think that either, but I mean
I guess yeah, yeah, like just again, like how vague
it was I could have I think it could have
gone in many different directions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I did write down a little trivia
here as of a few days ago. Sorry, I can't
read big numbers, so type out, but let me send
it to you in the chat.
Speaker 2: Put in the chat. I want to I want to
take a whalk at it. I want to see.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we can try and say at the same time,
I'm just kidding. Where's the little chat? I never all here,
we go at the bottomy.
Speaker 2: Wait, not that this one. Okay, this is gonna be fine.
I hope I can read it. I can't. Okay, Oh
one hundred nineteen million, four hundred four thousand, four hundred
ninety eight girl mathematician. But do not ask me to
leave a tip, because all I do is I signed
the receipt and I give it to Jeff and I say, here,
figure it out. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm the worst because if it doesn't say like ten percent,
twenty percent, then I'm guessing. And I always guess five.
Speaker 2: Dollars literally say, I'm like, eh, five dollars sounds all right,
I guess I have. I have no shame. I will
pull out my phone and go to a percentage calculator
dot com, dot net, whatever it is, and I'll go,
what is twenty percent of this? And it tells me,
you know what, Actually, my other calculator, Jeff, is there,
and so I literally I'll just sign it and hand
it to him.
Speaker 1: Yes, my husband is also my calculator. So because yeah,
I don't know, I have. Me and Carman have figured
out that we think we have the dysplexia of math,
where you flip numbers. You can't read a map. I'll
flip it. I will flip the map. I sailed land
navigation so many times I got lost.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is. So it wasn't
the army.
Speaker 1: We had to navigate with the fucking map and a compass.
Speaker 2: I have no sense of direction. I would I would
have felt that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I can't read numbers. So that
number that Aiden just said, one hundred and nineteen million,
four hundred four thousand, Oh my god, four.
Speaker 2: Hundred and eighty eight y math?
Speaker 1: Wow, I would pass algebra when oh my god, dumb. Okay,
that's what it made. Nationally, I wrote this down.
Speaker 2: Wrong.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what it has made in the US since
it opened as of like a few days ago, I
want to say, a couple days ago. These numbers are
from August twenty six and then eighty eight million. Then
this has to be there's six zeros. That's million always
I think. Yeah, yes, okay, eighty eight million internationally and
it's probably going to be in the top five again
this weekend.
Speaker 2: Wow do you do you do you have what the
budget was?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was going to write that down.
It has surpassed by far surpassed its budget because we
like historically horror movies have a low budget anyway, Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I know thirty eight million on here.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it has surpassed that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is Oh my god. Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yes, and especially I mean it released August eighth, and
it's just doing numbers, and it's it's going to keep
doing numbers. Like what is even coming out this weekend?
I don't know, but since it's come out, it's been
in the top five.
Speaker 2: Wow. I literally So I went to get my hair
cut yesterday and my my hairstylist, who is also my friend,
is also a really big horror movie Lover High. Christopher,
we were talking about like move, We're always like have
you seen this? Have you seen this? Have you seen this?
If we don't go to the movies together, we'll like
talk about it, right, And so he brought up Weapons
and I told him, I said, you need to go.
I truly I think it is the horror movie of
the year. I think so me. It's right up there
with Substance. With the Substance, I think those two are
like those are my top two this year, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yes, I still need to see Substance.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: You know what my problem is If I don't watch
it in the movie theater, watching it at home after
it is very hard for me because I keep binging
the same shows again and again. When I have some
time and I'm finally like I'm finally again. I think
I've I told Carmen this a while ago, but like
I finally feel like a person again, Like I'm like
out of the trenches of motherhood. Both my children are
like older now and I can like I feel like
I can do things.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Plus again, my spots and I were in the same
place now because he for like the past six months.
He was in Seattle and I was in Vancouver. But
we're finding the same place. So now I can finally
go and yeah, go watch a movie about myself. But
what if you do that for the longest time and
then at home, I'm just like dead at the end
of the night, and I'm just gonna put on like
fucking the office or Parks and rec or Brooklyn nine nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that doesn't need a lot of attention, or like, yeah, okay,
well now that you have your your spouse in the
same place with you and your kids are a little
bit older, put the substance on the list. I am.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: You know what? Make it? Make it content that always
gets me to do stuff. You know what? This is content.
I'll do it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to come back to talk about it
with me.
Speaker 2: I gladly will do that.
Speaker 1: You know what, I wish I had so much time
for a movie rewatch recap like podcasts like I love
it and I'm like, man, I wish I.
Speaker 2: Had like like I love them, oh my god, and
the way that they do that, like I like, I
love listening to their show. For some reason, you all
do not know what a already. We've both been on it,
so yeah, yeah, and they've been on both of our
shows too, Like I love them. Yes, there's the best,
They're the best. Really.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I was talking about the numbers. It's doing numbers.
Ratings okay, almost unprecedented for a horror movie. Historically, they
have terrible ratings, even though for horror movie fans they
might be good. For everyone else, it's like sixty percent
but ninety four percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Wow, that's that's
that's insane for horror.
Speaker 2: Awesome. That's so awesome, and it makes sense. There's there's
so many horror movies, but like, yeah, you're right, it's
like historically they are like underappreciated for whatever reason. I
think people like put their noses up at horror movies. Yeah,
and again not to be the substance core and to
keep bringing it up. But I feel like that was
a really big turning point for horror movies. Is like
I feel like people were kind of changing their minds
about it, and so that's kind of like allowed weapons
to I don't think it needed the substance for that,
but I think it's kind of like allowed it to
be more appreciated. I agree, like, whoa, this is like
they're like getting it. Now.
Speaker 1: When did the somethings come out?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I said this year by I think
it was twenty twenty four. I feel yeah it was
twenty twenty four. Okay, okay, there you go. The weapons
gets twenty Weapons gets twenty twenty five, gets twenty four.
Speaker 1: I feel like substance though, and then followed like by
Sinners and then weapons.
Speaker 2: Like God, yes, Sinner as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has been like it has been such a
good time for horror movie and that they've been all
these all three of these have had like top of
the run on the like the month they're run on
movie theaters has been like selling out movie theaters consistently,
like they have done I don't know, wonders for the
genre and for like not independent because obviously these are
big names behind them, but like what don't we try
to say that's not part of a franchise, like a
single creative movie, that's not part of oh, part of
an ip That's what I was thinking, Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't have like a universe, you know,
like the Conjuring, right, it has all these other films
to like stand up with Yeah, no, I take it
back what I said earlier, Weapons and Sinners movies of
this year since twenty four? Yeah, how could I forget Sinners?
That one so so good? Okay, Okay, we'll focus on
this movie for now.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I already yeah, like for two or three
hours about Sinners with Carmen.
Speaker 2: It was. It was great.
Speaker 1: Okay. So speaking of let's see, they're oh seven point
eight out of ten on IMDb, which for IMDb that
might as well be a ten out of ten because
like IMDb's the probably one of the harshest when it
comes to like rings.
Speaker 2: Really again, I'm so like removed from looking at the ratings.
I'm hearing these numbers and I'm like, wow, I'm.
Speaker 1: Looking at ratings for no because it doesn't like it
doesn't change how I feel about something. But I just
love seeing like the number for some reason. I don't know,
even books, and I'm like, I like the book. Then
I look at it and it was like a two
out of five, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, what, excuse me?
Speaker 1: Do I have a bad taste?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so I love it. So yeah,
that was Those are like both amazing readings. Also, I
read this later. There was a bidding war for.
Speaker 2: The movie.
Speaker 1: You would get it? Yes, and who a bunch of
like big names. But Jordan Peele was in that group
and he lost the bidding war and apparently he fired
someone from his team first for having it.
Speaker 2: Apparently like he I mean, he knew right. He has
also been making amazing thumbs. I'm so excited for him.
What's his studio is not? Is it? Monkey Pom?
Speaker 1: Is that? I don't know?
Speaker 2: Let me see.
Speaker 1: It has a name, and I feel like monkeys in it,
but maybe not.
Speaker 2: The first thing that comes out is Jordan Peel weapons.
That's so funny. Oh that wow, it's like a new
Oh it is yeah, monkey Pop Productions. Yeah wow? How
do im in twenty twelve? Your brain?
Speaker 1: I can't read numbers, but I can't remember these nonsense theme.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, yeah I did. I heard about that that
he lost the bidding war for it and he was
so like disappointed that he fired I heard like a
whole group of people. You're probably just one person.
Speaker 1: I don't know one of the two for sure.
Speaker 2: We're making no, no occurred. He killed someone. Somebody killed somebody,
you guys, Yeah, no, Yeah, there was a fire ring
for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: I mean after watching the movie, I get it. I
would have done it too. I would have done it
to and then after it came out, I would have
fired another person like you see, I was right in
the movie theater. As soon as the credits roll, You're
fucking fired. Guess what vacation forever for you? Yes? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: And this is director Zach Craiger's second movie following Barbarian.
Did you watch Barbarian?
Speaker 2: I did. I loved Barbarian and I loved it. I
loved all the memes that came out of it. Yes.
My favorite was when they were is it what's the
show with what's her? Uh? Natalie Nunn? The show that
she has it? Baddies made? Yeah, someone made a clip
where they were like the Mama talking and Barbarians and
she was like boo boo boo boop because they were
talking about fighting. Okay, I'm gonna send it to you.
You have to like edit it in here. Why was
I drinking water? Drink boo? That was mama hands down?
Oh wow, yes, that's why. Which Also that movie also
like took me for a loop. I didn't like I
was not expecting anything that happened, and so he's so
good at that at like, yes, pulling the rug out
from under you in a really good way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because man, that was unexpected, like what I thought
was going to happen. No, not at all.
Speaker 2: No, it was like, hey, it's worse, yes, and it
got worse and worse. Yes, from worse and worser. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One scene that straight up traumatized me in that movie,
the Justin Long breastfeeding.
Speaker 2: Monster Jesus moment of silence. It really was truly, Like
I remember watching it. We watched it at home, and
it was like like this, Like I was truly you know,
it's it's hard to make podcasters speechless, right, but yeah, ye,
but yeah, truly I was like, uh, like gagging literally,
oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Justin Long just went through it in that movie.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Side note, this is another comedian turn horror movie director
who puts in elements of comedy.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was so good. I think the funniest part
for me, like I was starting to laugh out loud,
was when what's his name? Is it his name? The
actor's name is Austin. He plays the character the addict.
I hate to say that oh, yes, this is terrible.
But I know him as Ron from The Walking Dead,
and so I kept calling him wrong. Okay, but I
know who.
Speaker 1: You're talking about. Again, I'm obsessed with The Walking Dead,
like everyone knows this. Yeah, but yeah he was wrong.
When I saw him, I was like, okay, Ron, I
didn't know you could do this, but I'm here for it.
But yeah, when he kept is it he kept getting
punched then getting back up and like punching.
Speaker 2: Yes, he kept throwing him. Yeah, you would throw him
and like it was like like it was like that timing,
And that's how you really know it was a comedian
doing this, because that like that comedic timing is it's
a real thing and it is not something something that
everybody understands. And so either I don't know if it
was the actor who also has this really great comedic
timing the way that they choreographed it, or like the
I don't know. I'm sure it was a team effort,
but that timing was so funny because it just like
it kept happening and then it was like, Okay, this
is ridiculous, Like there's no way he's going to do
it again. And he did it again and it was
so good.
Speaker 1: It never got old. It was perfect. It didn't feel
forced like some other like you can tell when it's
being forced. This was so natural even though it just
kept happening. It was so funny that and there was
another Oh the very end with Gladys running. You think
she's gonna stop at some point, and.
Speaker 2: She keeps running, and that's that's a lot of like
my favorite comedy is like you you're taking it to
a point where it's uncomfortable, and then you pushed past
that and you keep going and then it's funny all
over again. Oh my god, it's so so funny, I
think even in the parts that were also scary or
like creepy. So the kids running like that, that's kind
of silly because it does bring that image to mine,
but it worked. It was still creepy. The other part
that really creeps me out, but seeing people do it
online is hilarious is when the Alex's mom walks out
of the house when the teacher I forgot her name,
when she's waiting in the car outside and his mom
is walking she's like, yes, It's like, it's so funny
to see people do it online.
Speaker 1: But out of the context of the movie is funny.
Put it in the movie horror fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the physicality itself, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, so yeah. I don't know what
it is. I feel like, yeah, comedians turning into horror
movie directors. It's never going to be a miss because
we have Jordan Peel who's in the same situation and
his movie's the same thing where it's like a little
comedy inserted into something horrible, and it is funny. It
doesn't miss. So more of this, please.
Speaker 2: I think what it is also is people will say
that comedian comedians are like they're bit like they're fucked
up people, like they're messed up, they've been through stuff,
and so that's kind of like they get the humor
of life and they're able to make things funny because
they've been through things. And then on the other side,
people will also say that horror is a good vehicle
for a lot of different things, but especially like really
tragic things, so like grief, loss, And so I think
that combination of like a comedian, who typically is a
person who like gets life in a really dark sense,
a twisted sense, mixing that with horror, which also like
brings those dark things forward. Yeah, it's like a really
good combination.
Speaker 1: Yes, a formula for success sure, truly and for me
to be seated yes, yes. And the director he has
said in interviews that he basically wrote the movie and
when sitting, which is crazy, and then there's not a
lot of changes from his original script to what made
it in the movie.
Speaker 2: Wow. God, imagine just being like.
Speaker 1: That good, right, I can't I wish, I can only wish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm excited. That makes me really excited to
see what he's going to come up with next, because
Barbarian and weapons they are completely different things, like seemingly
not even in the same universe. They might be. They
might find a way to connect them later, who knows,
but you wouldn't be able to tell. So yeah, I'm like,
I'm like, what is what is he going to do next? Like,
I'm excited for that next thing.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious about his next project because it is
Resident Evil and that is part of an idea that's
not its own like story. But I mean I feel
like if he has signed onto it, it has to
be good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be. I think it
could be really good because if he's able to do
these two things like on his own, of his own imagination,
and then now he's given like you said, this ip
and this whole like world, like all of this lore,
Like it's like they're really good building blocks, Like what
is he going to make with them? That's true. I
totally forgot about that. I'm also the hopeful fingers crossed
for a Gladys prequel. Oh yeah, I would love that.
I would love to see more from her and about
her and her she was a queen, yeah, truly truly,
Like so she was a little evil, Like.
Speaker 1: I don't even necessarily want an answer to who she is.
I don't care about that. I just want her to
be doing something.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I was saying also when I was
talking to my friend that I feel like I keep
like comparing to other things, but uh, it kind of
gave me that sense of mystery. But like just enough
that And I'm only bringing it up because I literally
was talking about it yesterday. So when you texted me,
I was like, oh, yeah, I'm ready. Was that? H
Did you see Bring Her Back?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, that's been on my list to
watch and it's finally streaming somewhere. I forgot where I
saw it, and I was like, oh, I got to
watch it.
Speaker 2: I think you should watch. For sure. I enjoyed it.
I'm going to preface it with I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: But what Sammy, I love you go over there, just
not to say that you're like annoying. No, it's it's Sammy.
And he does this to me every time.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, He's like, put me on the pod girl.
Oh Matteo.
Speaker 1: My almost seven year old is like all the time,
like I want a podcast, and I'm like, well, you
write your script and I'll edit it for you.
Speaker 2: But I'm not ready, right, That's so cute, was it
saying oh, yeah, bring her back? So Like, I did
enjoy it, but I feel like there were too many
for me. There were too many unanswered things that I
felt like with weapons like it did a very good
job of leaving mysteries, especially in terms of Gladys and
her story, but still giving us enough so that we
do want more, that we want those answers, and it's
not just like, well like what was this even about? Really? Ye,
it explained I think enough about.
Speaker 1: Her, yes, like there was no plot hole, but we
yet have questions like who wishy And that's I think
that the like true, like art here where he Yeah,
he left us questioning, wanting more, but there was nothing
necessary to the movie that was unanswered, which happens in
a lot of other movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I think I swear I just heard Margaret.
Speaker 1: I heard something, Yes.
Speaker 2: She might, Okay, I hope right.
Speaker 1: Oh another thing. He also wrote it first again like
I said in one sitting, but in full grief, because
I don't know if you know, but he was part
of a group of three called the Whitest Kids, you know,
and I freage it's a terrible but I don't remember
which of the three passed away suddenly. And it was
from that like that happening, he just sat down and
wrote the movie what.
Speaker 2: Yes, I had no idea that one of them had
passed away.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what, let me check because I don't
want to be wrong on who it was.
Speaker 2: Let's see the one Trevor Moore.
Speaker 1: Yes, there we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you passed away in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And that's he. After that happened, he sat
down and wrote.
Speaker 2: The movie, Wow, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And they were like how you.
Speaker 2: Find out right? Like real life besties. Right. Oh yeah, yeah,
I mean yeah, I can only imagine, Oh my god. Yeah,
what did I say again that grief yet touched it
to horror and with the comedian.
Speaker 1: Wow, yes, and like and so many different instances in
your like book, like when you talked about Monstlio or
in other things, and I don't remember what other things
we talked about, but like grief and horror. It's they're
like Hannah and Hanna. Yeah, it really is the best
like vehicle to express so much some of the darkest
things that other other I don't know things can't like
touch in the same way. So, yeah, it makes so
much sense to me that he wrote down and wrote
all of this after that happened. And in the movie,
the movie is like about grief. Yeah, so I'm like, wow,
that makes sense. We can see that message in the movie,
especially in Archer played by Josh Brolin Brolin Berlin Archer. No, No,
the dad oh yes, yeah, the dad of the one
who first is like attacking Justine but then teams up
with her and then they go to the house him
who was supposed to be Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 2: Yeah in the original casting. Yeah, well they they recasted
everybody except for the guy from The Walking Dad. Yes, yes,
and she's also going to be in Resident Evil allegedly.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so I'm so excited. I'm even
more excited for this. He maybe he'll be redeemed in
a zombie universe because his ending.
Speaker 2: And The Walking Dead was, can I tell you something?
Speaker 1: You haven't seen it?
Speaker 2: I know I've never seen The Walking Dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time, like.
Speaker 2: The first episode or not for the first season, or
like half of the first season, and I just I
don't know, I like it. It never stuck for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time someone interrupts me when I'm when I'm
talking about The Walking Dead and like, can I tell
you something? I expect nothing else. That's why I was like,
you haven't seen it?
Speaker 2: The call ins No, no, no.
Speaker 1: The first three four seasons five really amazing, especially the
first season after that, and then I just kind of
and then back up a little bit, and then the
last season with what they had it was not bad.
But yeah, nothing touches those first three seasons.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I'll I'll watch the first three seasons and
then I'll call it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Ron in The Walking Dead, Yeah, if you
see it, You'll see his h his feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, and let's talk about the characters in the movie.
I'm just gonna go through who was what?
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: The movie stars Josh Berlin as Archer Graph, a construction
contractor and the father of Matthew, one of the missing children.
Then we have Julia Garner as Justine Gandhi, the teacher.
And I hadn't seen her in much before this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know she was in Ozarks or oh Ozark,
which I've never seen. Same, but it's on my list
to watch because I know it's supposed to be really good.
I've heard yeah, and I feel like but like and
she's the silver Surfer in the New Fantastic Four movie.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't realize that was right.
Speaker 2: Wow, the range on this woman, like she from that
her very famous line that's everywhere. If you want to
stop me, here are you? I have to fucking gm
which is that's how I feel every morning when I
wake up. That's my mantra to get going. And then that, Yeah,
but to go from that to the I herald your
beginning or his beginning, whatever it is, I'm like, man,
good for her, and to this like she was sorry.
I feel like we glazed over mister Brolin, who was amazing.
Speaker 1: He was, he was, he.
Speaker 2: Was, he was really good again, like you said, you
mentioned yeah section of grief and how he like on
the construction site. Apparently I can't remember if this was
his call as like as an actor or who made
the decision, but originally I heard that. So when he's
at the construction sites and like things keep messing up,
like things are wrong the color of the paint and
things weren't installed that it was supposed to be that
other people were messing up and he was like like
snapping at them and exploding, but that they changed it
to he was the one that was fucking up. Basically,
that is a really really good, I think choice. I
think it's the more accurate choice because and a lot
of depictions and a lot of people that I've seen
go through grief, that's kind of what happens is it's
almost like you're you have no other choice but to
just kind of like keep going through the motions. Some
people feel like and when they do that, like of
course you're going so preoccupied. Yeah, yeah, that's that kind
of grief. It changes your brain and so yeah, you're
gonna mess up, like you're gonna overlook things and it's
at no fault to that person. So I thought that
was a really great choice for them to change that
from that like outward explosion and like hurting other people
to like, no, I am so hurt because of my loss. Wow,
these things are like slipping and I'm the boss right, Yes, yeah,
he again everyone had knockout performances. But yeah, I wanted
to bring that part up because.
Speaker 1: I think that's fascinating. I didn't know that. And you
know what, another thing on that is that how many
times in media have we seen the angry Man, which
is it is a response that happens, that's why it exists.
But to have instead what happened in the movie mm hmm,
that's insane. Wow, I didn't know that. Good to know,
and we know that Bear Bascott would have been amazing
in this world too, But honestly, he Josh Brolin was
I think the right the right choice in the end.
Speaker 2: I think so too. I think so too. Yeah he was.
Speaker 1: And then where where we just Slipgarner Justine Candy, Yeah,
I'm fascinating.
Speaker 2: Performance, so good her. Like I saw this clip of
how they did when she's being chased by the principal
and it's in the gas station and that shot where
it's chasing her down the aisle and they turn, so
I saw like the behind the scenes where it's the
camera operator is on skates and skating behind her. Yeah,
and like they're showing the rig and they it's like
a really quick just like a clip, and they show
at the end where she gets to the door and
she's like panicked, and they cut and you can see
she like drops like she's acting and she's like she's like, okay,
we're cut, and she like drops whatever she was doing.
And I was like, god, she's so good that, like
sheer panic, like she just acted her ass.
Speaker 1: Off in this and like so so good that scene
that was crazy. The oh my god, the moment god,
well okay, we're gonna get to that too.
Speaker 2: But the moment.
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, we'll get to that in a bit. Yes, yes, okay, characters,
we're on the characters, okay. Al Din, Aaron Aaron Reich,
Paul Morgan. The corrupt police officer just seems ex boyfriend,
So just a police officer, yeah, just a normal regular.
Speaker 2: Oops.
Speaker 1: No, but yes, absolutely not at all surprised when he
punched Austin Abrams at all, Like I expected nothing else,
but what first with a baby, It's just a needle.
I'm just kidding. It's later, Okay, fine.
Speaker 2: I know I will that that first moment or that
like that that segment of the movie, which also I
loved that, like fragmented storytelling where like all differ.
Speaker 1: O, yes, a non linear storytelling.
Speaker 2: I love it in books and I love it in movies. Same. So,
but that part where where that happens and he punches
him and then it like comes back to it where
he's like cleaning him up after. It was very much
like the like any like I'm sure you and uh
and Carmen have been through it where like this the
one sibling hurts the other and they're like, yeah, don't here,
you want you want something? You want a candy? Yeah no,
it's like don't don't, don't, don't tal mom, don't tell mom.
It was very very It was kind of funny too,
from like obviously in real life, I'm sure this happens
and it's not funny, but in the movie, like it
was just kind of so silly. It was.
Speaker 1: It was speaking of Austin Abrams. He was James, a
homeless drug addict and a thief. I we already talked
about it, but I wrote in my notes side note,
but as many of you know, I'm obsessed with it
walking down and immediately I was like, okay, ron son
of Jesse who almost gets with Rick. Yes, I see you.
Speaker 2: That's what I wrote there. So good. Yeah, no, he yeah,
obviously great. And again that like he did the stunts,
so in that scene that was so funny. Yeah that
apparently I'm saying I keep forgetting his first hand. But
Brolin and I saw an interview where he's talking about
it and he was saying he was like, yeah, he
was a trooper and like he wanted to do it
and I throw him and he'd get back up and like,
oh my god him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also he's just like so skinny, and Josh Brolin is
so strong, so I could just already picture this.
Speaker 2: He's just like throwing him around kind of like you. Yes,
I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Carrie Christopher was Alex Lily, the only child from Justine
class who did not disappear. And my heart for Alex. Also,
I is this his first role?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think he's like a theater kid.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense because wow, he killed it. Let
me look up his Carrie. I later saw a TikTok
of him talking about something and I was like, oh
my god, yes, like he's just so cute.
Speaker 2: Look I him. Oh my god, he's a horrible.
Speaker 1: No, no, he's got let me see, he's got some
stuff and almost Christmas story mister mom like small things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, great like.
Speaker 1: Days of our lives.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, my mom probably knows who he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so's he's been in some things.
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, yeah, no, he it's it's you never you
never know with kids, you know, like how well they're
gonna do, like because they're they're young. You know, it's
like how much experience can they really have? But I mean,
I feel like all the kids were great, no matter
the size of their parts. But this kid who played
Alex was it was so good and yeah, just like
it broke my heart. At the end of the movie.
I was like, oh my god, this kid's gonna be
fucked up forever, like, oh yeah, there's no fixing that. No.
Speaker 1: He had like such a normal, like you know, set
of parents. Things were normal he's getting picked on a
little bit at school, but then Gladys Gladys comes into
his life and just fucking destroys it.
Speaker 2: Jesus, the Gladys, not the thea.
Speaker 1: That you want for sure, and then just like seeing
him go from like already a quiet kid to even quieter,
and then just you know, obviously worried about his parents
having to eat each other because he doesn't follow his
aunt's rules, and then like feeding them, and then this
like dependency, like child parent child dependency flips. He's now
feeding his like I don't know, fucking zombie like parents
or they're just like mindless, so sad.
Speaker 2: He's parentified, Yeah, which I want to say. I saw
an interview with Zach saying that he that that was
kind of like because there were like all these theories
about what it meant, like what the movie meant, And
I saw an interview where he was saying that it
was more like introspective than it was about anybody else
or the world, that it was more about like his
own childhood with alcoholic parents and like having to take
care of them. And you can see that in the movie, yes,
and yeah, like you could feel it, like you could
see it. And then I saw that interview or that
clip of that after watching the movie, and I was like,
oh my god, it broke my heart even more. I
was like, that is oh really really really really really heavy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which then kind of ties into what you were
seeing earlier about comedians, and they're like, having been through
so much that then they're like the best to have
to be the ones putting this into action via a
movie or whatever. So wow, wow, that makes so much sense.
Beneedic Dwong as Marcus Miller, the school principal who is
sympathetic to just seeing really her ally and all this,
and I loved him.
Speaker 2: I loved him. Yeah, he apparently I don't think.
Speaker 1: He had that many horror movie shows or movies in
his past, and so he was like traumatized with the
blood scene, with the chasing just see.
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't want to do this again.
He was like, I was so scary. I was so
bloody for a baby. I mean, it was brilliant. If
you don't have a lot of experience with it and
like this is your big foray into it, I can
imagine that it's overwhelming. Oh yes, that was a really
intense scene. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, since we're talking about him right now. He when
and Gladys goes to his house and he's like, he
doesn't want to let her in, but his very kind
partner is like, no, let her in, help her, she's thirsty.
I'm like, what a mistake. You know what sinners and
weapons is, just not to let people into your house.
Speaker 2: Truly, no ever, I was like, you, stupid little gay man.
Just because she's got a fierce ass bob and some
brighte ass what is it the county Bob, that county
bob her and that bob what's the name bob? So
you're calling her bob? I was like, no, do not
let it. Also, I had half a mind to show
up in full and Gladys caught played tonight, but by
the time I thought of it to order the wig,
I was like, I don't have time and I'm on
a very tight budget right now. I was like, I
cannot spend money to overnight a wig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but just imagin just both show up dress as
her damn would have been hilarious based opportunity, But yeah,
I was like, sir, do not let.
Speaker 2: This random woman into your home? Like, who looks creepy.
She doesn't look like normal. Sit back down, eat your
seven hot dogs and four and watch your show. What
are you doing? Oh my god? No, I told Jeff.
I was like, no, there's no, there's no fucking way
that whatever happened at our house? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Immediately, first I wouldn't have answered the door. No, It's
like phone calls. I don't answer them unless I know
who's calleen. I've had a scheduled call M.
Speaker 2: And also it's work related. No, no, not here, baby,
I'm off the lock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, immediately I would have looked through like, ooh, not home.
Speaker 2: Nobody the Jehovah's witness, don't answer hide. No. Literally the
way my family it is not even so many people
I know. Really, we literally get on the floor.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me tell you really quick. So one time,
because my mom did not believe in to rain on
the ac even though we had one, and so we
would have like in Modestoka's hot as fuck. It's like
the Central Valley, we're you know, mountains here, we're down
here and there's no water near us nothing. So it
was like one hundred degree summers, and so we'd have
the door open, fans going and there you could see
them walking up in their little fucking suits or whatever,
their little tracks, their little outfits, and then you know,
one of us would be like, oh my god, they're coming.
The Jehovah Winses are coming. Yes, and then it'd be like,
oh my god, hide, but like they could see us
saying all this as they were, and then we were
like hide and then we like got up, ran behind
the couch, got on the floor. But they saw all
of this happen and they're ringing the doorbell and we're like,
no one's here.
Speaker 2: No. Literally, same we would have the like the windows open,
so it was the screen and with like the and
they're like the sheer like lace curtains that don't really
hide anything. So they would get up to the like
the front of the house and they couldn't see inside,
and we're swearing that we're.
Speaker 1: Not there, and that is what Marcus should have done,
but no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then his husband, but it just lay
down the floor with their hot dogs.
Speaker 1: And yeah, eat and watch the documentary, but hide. The
whole scene of her going, like the tension is building
and I'm like I'm already like watching the movie, like
you know, you already know that it's a horror movie.
And I wasn't thinking when a thing's going to happen.
I was seated enjoying everything already. And the moment she
brings out the the stick, snaps it and then he starts,
what is it?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: The he starts being his partner?
Speaker 2: Right? Is that what happened?
Speaker 1: First, my jaw hit the floor.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then like everyone silently turned to each other, and
I'm like, is everyone seen this?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like is this really happening right now? It
was so hard to Again, very few movies that elicit
these kinds of reactions for me, but I was literally
like the seats in Alamo, thank god they're so comfortable,
because I literally had my knees to my chest. So
it was like this, like I barely watching and I
was like looking at Jeff, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was so so hard to watch visceral visceral feeling.
I was like the whole time and my pop porm
was gone.
Speaker 2: Ing it in the bag.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. And that was like the first real
violent moment in the movie. Yeah, and it just kind
of it fucking hit you in the face like true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt, oh my god, that's terrible. Oh yeah,
you know it was like you said. The way that
the tension was built in that scene I think was
so effective because you knew, oh my god, some ship
is about to go. You didn't know what Yeah, oh
my god.
Speaker 1: I was not expecting that.
Speaker 2: She asked for the bowl and I was like, oh,
this bitch is a witch. Yeah, and then she pulled
out the twig and I was like, yes, we gotta go.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes immediately, And I think we know from just
our background in both podcasts that like we know, water, nature,
trees very witchy. So immediately I'm like, something is bad
is going to happen. Did I think she was going
to like start drinking the water like a dog?
Speaker 2: Yes. As soon as she said bowl, I was like, no,
she's doing something. Yes. I was like she's going to
drink in And I was like, no, that doesn't make
sense imagines that's what I thought, right, No, No.
Speaker 1: And speaking of Gladys, uh, Amy Madigan was Gladys and
I had not seen her in anything, and I was like, okay, Amy,
I see I see you, Now, I see you.
Speaker 2: I was like, where is this going? Yes, yes, standing ovation.
Speaker 1: For her, like I can't even I can't, like, oh
my god, no, what the what a performance?
Speaker 2: What a performance? Break out star? Truly like yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And then randomly just in long note him, I.
Speaker 2: Know, literally he showed up and I felt like everybody
in the theater was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, because he's not listed in the cast. He no,
he's just there, and of course he is because barbarian,
you know, scream king. Really truly, yeah, he's the father
of Bailey, one of the missing children, and so yeah,
that's pretty much all the people.
Speaker 2: That was also a really good comedy moment. Is that
at first the the Alex's or now Alex Josh, Yeah,
Matthew Matthews, Matthew's dad, Yeah, Josh Brolin. He asked the
mother first, can I see the ring footage? And she's
like no, I'm not comfortable with that. He's like okay,
and then cut to him sitting with just He's showing
him the footage and she's like me, I guess. Truly,
I was like that that was a good also really
good comedy moment. Now yeah, he'd be like okay, are
But honestly, though, when they were on the screen together,
I was like, what if they just gave a little
smooch really quick?
Speaker 1: Oh, I would like to see that right right?
Speaker 2: And they were boys. I love it, I would love it.
Speaker 1: I mentioned this earlier, but I apparently people wanted the
movie thinking it had to do with aliens, And at
first I was like, that's so why, But then I
was you know what, it makes sense a bunch of
kids go missing and you don't know, nothing's explained. I
guess you could think alien abduction, but my mind went
to true crime, like you mentioned, I thought it was
going to be like some crazy deranged serial killer. I know,
we get to range Grandma insteady.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean in a sense, it was kind
of all those things, like these these kids were in
a sense abducted, like they were taken from their homes
against their wills. And it was a true crime sort
of thing because the things that Goddess were doing were
definitely not within the confines of the law. She broke
a couple of laws. Feel yeah, and aliens, I don't know.
You know a lot of times people say that, I
mean a lot of what's it called, like paranormal stuff
is also like it's supernatural, it's interdimensional, it's connected, right, alien.
Speaker 1: Right, so yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, all right, and
the platform Wikipedia. A child narrator explains that on a
Wednesday two years prior, in the town of Maybrook, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. Yes,
not Pennsylvania. Okay, I never say that.
Speaker 2: That state, so it doesn't exist. It was made up
for the movie.
Speaker 1: Only California, Washington, and Texas.
Speaker 2: Really that's for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Anyway, seventeen children from elementary school teacher Justine
Gandhi's third grade class suddenly ran out from their homes
at two seventeen am and disappeared. Only one student, Alex Lilly,
remained almost a month after the incident. Principal Marcus Miller
places just Seen on leave a mid community suspicion of
her involvement in the children's disappearance. Depressed and ostracized, she
relapses into alcoholism and seeks comfort in her ex boyfriend,
Piece of Ship Paul, police officer.
Speaker 2: Paul Morgan, Piece of Ship Paul Ye.
Speaker 1: Concerned about Alex's well being, Justine follows him home, where
she observes the windows covered with newspaper and Alex's parents
sitting motionless in the dark. She urges Marcus to perform
a wellness check. Just seen, revisits Alex's house, but follows
Leep in her car, and this is where we see
Alex's mom stagger out of the house, get inside, cut
the lock of hair.
Speaker 2: Yes, just like that. You know what? It was? Sorry,
really quick. I wanted I'm gonna post maybe I'll post
it on TI talk.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: When I saw her doing that, it reminded me of
the courage the Cowardly Dog the music.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, what a moment though. I thought something
worse was gonna happen. I thought she was gonna kill her,
and then she cuts a piece of her her and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, when the car door opened, it was There's
I can name on one hand the number of times
this has happened in movies. But when the car door
opened and everybody in the theater did the pure panic,
Oh my god, that happened, and I was like, what's
gonna happen, It's gonna have what's gonna what'snna happen? It
was terrifying. Something as simple as just a little a
car door opening was yeah, your terror.
Speaker 1: The tension built in that scene where it's like the house,
the car, the house, walking the.
Speaker 2: Door, and then she got a haircut. Yeah great clips.
No no, Also, I'm reading it in this order.
Speaker 1: But like all of these scenes, we don't see the
full picture until the end of the movie because we're
getting bits and pieces of everyone. Until you connect everything,
everything comes together. And again my favorite style of like storytelling.
Don't give me that linear bullshit, give it to me pieces. Yeah, next,
let me let me figure it out.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So then archer Graph, father of missing child Matthew, begins
his own investigation out of frustration with the police slow progress.
At the reviewing security camera footage of Matthew and another child.
This is justin Long's Child where he forces them to show,
not even forces them, but just alongs like sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they may or may not have kissed who knows.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows, and they probably did. Yeah, that's how we
thanked him.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, just like that.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, was there tongue? I don't know,
and then I was like, no, I shouldn't say that,
and I said it.
Speaker 2: A full on affair is happening somewhere in the background
of this storyline.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And you know, when he gets the footage,
he sees both of them. He notices that the kids
are running first the same with their hands like behind them,
but in the same path, because he's already got a map,
he's already mapped out in what direction his son went.
Then he sees this, they map it out and he's like,
all right, well it's isn't It's in this general area,
but they don't know where yet. And then separately, Justine
and Archer have creepy ass dreams with a woman in
clown like makeup gladys.
Speaker 2: Yes, so creepy. That shot of hers is that? Yeah? No,
that's what Jeff sees when he wakes up every morning,
and it's me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Then while on patrol, Paul Piece of ship Paul arrest James,
who we love a vagrant drug addict. That's what we
could to call them, Not me, I would have called
him the qutie with a little bit of problems, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to edit a picture of James with
like the little like anime blush and like sparkles and hearts, yes,
and then.
Speaker 1: Put yourself in the corner like that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he's arrested for attempted burglary. I can't say
that word is I have to say it like that.
I'm like that cam. Okay, So he releases him because
then he punches him and he assaults him. When he's
accidentally poked, he reaches into his pocket, and you know what, like,
I understand that you have to search it, but if
you're afraid that you're going, if you're so dearely afraid
that you're going to get poked, make him empty out
his pockets. Yeah, tell him, give him the order to
empty them out, or go back to the station, book him,
process him, empty his shit out when he's at the station.
And then you don't risk poking yourself. And who hasn't
gotten a little poke from a mysterious vaccine, who has
not been there?
Speaker 2: It's not that they're about to be not free, Okay, grateful, right,
I say it as a healthcare worker.
Speaker 1: I haven't poked, and I've had to do all the
labs like it happens. But police, they are so scared
of everything, and so of course he reacted this way.
Speaker 2: But that's why there's post exposure profil access. You can Yeah,
you just got on that PEP within twenty four hours,
forty eight hours, and you're good yeah.
Speaker 1: So to me, as a healthcare worker, I was like,
he's just being a little bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a process for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we're good, you're good, Paul, but no, Paul
beats the shit out of No. He punches James once
in the head and James falls over, and then that
was caught on camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he's like shit, shit.
Speaker 1: Because he's stupid, and so yeah, that happens. Later, James
is like looking for cash because he needs it right
for you know, as good ease. Yeah, it's just as
good ease. The little tree, little tree, Yeah, just his
little tree.
Speaker 2: He really want diet coke. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so he breaks into Alex Lily's house and
the craziest thing to me is like he's walking around
right and he's like putting things in the pow case.
He sees Alex's parents sitting there and he's like freaked
the fuck out. He falls over, but then he turns
and there's like that gaming system and he's like, oh sweet,
and he just gives He's like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: That's right. I was breaking and entering and ceiling was
a shit. Okay, back on track, focus.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, get focus, focus And then he goes down
to the basement and he sees all the kids, and
he's like, what the fuck. And it's so funny because, like,
you know, as a person like who's not in the
midst of an addiction, I don't like, dude, get out
of there and call the police.
Speaker 2: But no, he needs the money so he can get
more of, you know whatever. He was doing a heroine
maybe math. I don't know which one it was. I'm
assuming something that could be shot. The one with the spoon.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess when I saw him with the
spoon and the lighter though, or did I imagine that,
you know what?
Speaker 2: Probably? Yeah, because he had needles too, more than once. Yeah,
could be more than one thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm done. So you have the spoon, you
melt the things, you put that into the needle.
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody take notes, yeah, and that's what you're ingesting
into yourself.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's why he had the needles. Okay, anyway,
I hope he took your notes.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Edorial later clip this and put it up
up without.
Speaker 1: Context and kids, that's how you do drugs. No, No,
I've never done them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me either, not those kinds. I don't know where to.
Speaker 1: Get them, Okay, like I just don't anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he he this.
Speaker 1: Sure, it scares him a little bit, but it doesn't
at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. He
needs to steal so he can get more money. But
when he sees the poster of the kids all missing
and that reward of money later, he's like, wait, I
saw those kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait a minute, minute, I can get that money.
Speaker 1: And so he tries to call and be like, hey,
can I knock go to the police station, like how
do I get my money?
Speaker 2: I know where they are?
Speaker 1: But then like he has to go there, and that's
when Paul sees him, piece of shit Paul, and he
chases him. James flees into the woods where he sees
something lurking. It's it looks like a clown woman right
Lea is Oh my god, Ronald McDonald. Yeah, scary Ronald
scarier Ronald McDonald. And he gets in his tent because
it's like a jump scary you straight up see her.
And so naturally he's scared. Something is chasing him in
the woods. That's not Paul, something else is out there.
But then Paul comes chasing him, zips open that tent
and James and I don't blame him. I would have
done the same thing. Thinks he's being chased. He's defended
himself with the bunch of needles and bam stabs Paul,
who did deserve it. And it's just funny because he
was so freaked out about the one tiny prick in
his hand and now he's just bam.
Speaker 2: Just full of needles. Yeah, oh my god, did this No?
Speaker 1: I think before this he had already like cheated on
his girlfriend and his father is the her father is
the chief police, and he already had to tell him
about the camera incident on the first needle prick, and
now he's got a full bunch of needles.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. He's not sometimes no, nor does he
deserve a good time. Of course.
Speaker 1: I think this is where he tries to grab James
to take him, I don't know, arrest him or something,
and James is like, no, no, no, I know where
those kids are. So together they drive to Alex Lilly's house.
He leaves James handcuffed in the car while he investigates,
and he's gone for hours. James is like, what the fuck,
I need to get out of here. Then he re emerges,
drags James back in the house. We don't know what
happens to them until later. At the same time, glad
or Justine, Justine has been like bothering Alex Lilly like
and I understand she's grieving too, She's being attacked by
her community. She wants answers to but she's been total
time and time again to leave Alex Lily alone. Girl,
And oh my girl, just leave him alone. Just keep drinking,
just keep go, get into the bottle and mind your business. Yeah,
but no, she doesn't do that. That's why her her
hair gets cut.
Speaker 2: She gets a free superclip. Yes, so, and you know she.
Speaker 1: Tells Marcus about all of this, and she that poor
man is like, please, Justine, stay home.
Speaker 2: Fuck no truly, He's like, girl, I am tired of
your ship. Leave it alone.
Speaker 1: Yes so, No, she doesn't leave it alone. If she
had not done this, like, none of this would have
happened to him. But because of her insistence, Marcus is
visited the school by Gladys because he needs to check
on her, a wellness check on Alex and so, but
because his parents are all fucked up, she's the one
who goes Gladys and he insists on beating his parents
because he has to. He has to to make sure
that Alex Lily is okay. And later Gladys shows up
at their house with Marcus and Terry and this is
where we were talking about earlier, where they shouldn't have
let her in, but they do, and this is where
she does her little witchy ritual. She has a ribbon
she took from Marcus, hair from Terry and Justine. This
enchance Marcus, he fucking attacks Terry, insane. After he brutally
attacks Terry, It's so horrifying, and it just keeps going
until his his head is like.
Speaker 2: Not there, Hamburger Helper, Yes, it was. It was.
Speaker 1: Then he was after Justine and we see him running
across town with his hands you know. Then there you
have my room. I'm in a tiny apartment now, so
I can't even put my hands behind me.
Speaker 2: The wall is right there.
Speaker 1: This is the Seattle life for you.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I love it, the Seattle live
we're in. Everything's bigger in Texas, you know what. No,
I's to hear, no truly speaking of weapons. Uh. Also
the sorry the detail in when they were under Gladyses
spell for some reason. They like their eyes were all yes,
messed up, and his were like bulging out of his head.
They looked so wild.
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot. He also like vomits onto Terry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that part I was like a.
Speaker 1: Disgust.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Again, I had no more popcorn and that was great
because I would have no That was insane. Yeah. He
runs across town or Ruto style and attacks Justine at
the gas station where she happens to be fucking arguing
with Archer because he he wants answers to he's grieving.
He's barking up the wrong tree, though, and so he's
like they're arguing. She's like, I don't I don't know
what happened either, and he's like, no, you have to
know something.
Speaker 2: She really doesn't. Yeah, She's like, please tell me what
you know.
Speaker 1: Yes, And so that's where Marcus arrives and starts running
after her and our fers.
Speaker 2: I was like, who's gonna help someone? Help her?
Speaker 1: Like she runs in the gas station, she's like the please.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, god, what does she say? What
was that? She was like? Didn't she say? She's like yes,
She's like, fucking help me. And the guys like the store.
Oh my god, nobody got help. Help nobody, yeah except Archer.
Speaker 1: Archer helps and so he's like fighting for his life
trying to get Marcus to calm down, and he doesn't.
And then eventually Marcus runs in the street and is
hit by a car and also dies. Yeah, insane. Later
in the hospital, Archer's like, okay, I first they thank
each other. She thinks him for helping her because nobody
else was coming to her rescue at all. And then
he's like, but you know what I noticed is that
he's running just like the kids were running. And he says, like,
if their weapons, and I was like, they said it,
they said the title.
Speaker 2: There's a title, yes, and.
Speaker 1: Then he brings out the map. He shows her like
they're running in this direction, but I don't know what's there.
And she's like, oh my god, Alex Lily, his house
is there and bam. And so this is where we
learn a little bit more about Gladys because then we
cut to her Glattice and we learn she's a witch.
She can enchant victim during their energy so that she
looks better. I mean, she was looking like death when
she first showed up. And then she's Yeah, she's looking
better and better as.
Speaker 2: She got for a girl have a skincare regimen. You
know what? Right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know which I did see somebody. Oh no,
Jeff was telling me actually that he there, she is there.
Speaker 1: We heard Margaret get well, get in here if you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Make no noise anyway. That allegedly, so I'm sorry. What
is her name again? The actress who played Gladys.
Speaker 1: Oh, Adam, no one, Adam, Amy something Madigan, Yes, Madigan.
Speaker 2: Amy, Madigan, Adam. It's close as cluss, but so apparently.
I think it was Zach Craigor that gave her the
options for playing this. Okay, I'll wait wait, yes, we're
going to talk about that. Yes, yes, circle back to
it later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, put a pen in, it'll come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put a theigned branch with hair and ribbons on it. Yes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, where was I let's see during their victims rejuvenate,
Yes for juvening. Okay. So after enchanting Alex's parents and
threatening their lives and poor Alex has to feed them,
she orders Alex to keep her secret and then to
bring personal items from his classmates because she needs more
for her skincare routine. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And these
items that he takes, he uses she uses to make
the spell that draws them all to their house at
two seventeen am, all on the same day and time.
They all run out and that's why because of her spell.
And then they are kept in the basement and poor
Alex has to carry more and more soups.
Speaker 2: It was like a Chef Boyard commercial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, propaganda for soup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big soup. Soup paid for this, they really did.
They sponsored this movie and they wanted to go out
and buy Campbell's. Speaking of this, patron episode is brought
to you by.
Speaker 1: Campbell's Let Me Go get my can I hate can't suit?
I mean, especially after this movie Jesus, Yeah, especially I
will make a quick while the.
Speaker 2: No I won't. I won't put my mom to me
and she'll make it but I can't.
Speaker 1: I should, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm the worst. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then Justine and Archer together enter Alex Silly's house
and they're immediately attacked by Paul and James, and of
course Justine's like, what the fuck Paul, Like, what are
you doing here?
Speaker 2: Paul? Why are you attacking me?
Speaker 1: Paul?
Speaker 2: You know She's like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: She's like Paul, Paul, Why my god, Yeah, Paul, Yeah,
he's there in this enchantment. So they you know, this
is where we get the hilarious scene of archer James
again and again. That was amazing. And then I mean
they eventually just seen has to take Paul's gun and
shoot him. That's the only way I'm devastating for her really,
because that was her boo, even though he was in
another relationship, that.
Speaker 2: Was her boo. Yeah, that was her stinky link. Yes,
well it was. And when she tried to kill him,
she shot his neck first, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, and he kept going again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, that is before all that though.
Speaker 1: The peeler to the face, Oh my god, I forgot
about that part.
Speaker 2: Oh that was crazy. That was another part where I
was like, yeah, and I knew it was coming as
soon as I saw them. Oh yeah, show it, I said,
I'm out. So what you want to do is you
you you peel your garnish, you twist it over the
rim of your martini and then you lay it on
top and it's a beautiful garnish for your Campbell's human
soup martini. Yes, skin from this guy's face.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's the Paul Campbell soup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Paul tiny yes, beef jerky flavored yeah, And.
Speaker 1: Then I forget why Justine also, I mean James also
won't stop attacking Archer, and she does end up shooting
or James too, I think, right. Yeah, then she stays
up there like grieving because she literally just killed Paul.
While that's happening, Archer goes down into the basement and
he finds I think he sees Matt like his son too.
But then Gladys is down there and she's.
Speaker 2: Like she's in the corners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was scary, and so then Gladys enchants him
and he attacks Justine. She he's not expecting it at first,
like they don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: We do, but they don't. Yeah, they really don't. No. No.
Speaker 1: At the same time that this is happening, Alex was
warned not to cross this boundary of salt that is
in front of his parents, and then Gladys disappears into
the basement, but Alex is already like, now something is up,
and so he does he breaks that boundary and then
his parents attack him. But he I was like, why
is he doing this, but he had a plan. He
had this plan all along. He runs into Gladys's room, grabs,
you know, a hairstrand from her wig the stick.
Speaker 2: He snaps it.
Speaker 1: When he snaps it, immediately she's like fuck.
Speaker 2: She senses it. She knows. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then the children run out of the basement chase Gladys
around the neighborhood. They keep chasing her. That she's going.
They're going through houses, the people inside the houses. That's
so funny.
Speaker 2: They're like, honey, very like Fairest Mueller's day off when
he's right through the neighborhoods. It was very that he was.
Speaker 1: It was. Then they catch up to her and tear
her apart.
Speaker 2: And they grab her by her three little.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they just fucking pool and pool.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. They pull her apart like a string cheese.
Speaker 1: It's insane. And then her death freeze her more recent
victims but not those who have been in like under
her spell the longest yeah, and it ends with like, okay,
Archer is reunited with Matthew. He carries his son home.
Then a narrator, the little kid narrator, which makes it
all creepier because kids just make things creepier is like
Alex moved out of the town to live with a
different aunt who is so much nicer, but his parents
were institutionalized and he's not feeding them soups someone else is.
So they never recovered.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: Some of the kids spoke again.
Speaker 2: Yes, some that made me think. I was I was like, okay,
so is it that the longer they were under the spell,
the longer it's going to take them to get back
to normal.
Speaker 1: Maybe, I feel I hope, because it would suffer Alex
for his parents to just like, not I recondiz.
Speaker 2: That's it, That's how they are forever. I was like,
I really think that there's like a rehabilitation aspect that
like the spell is going to wear off. And because
like Archer, you know, he kind of like came to
immediately and he was only under it for not even
like a minute, right, Yeah, So I was like, I
think and if he's saying that some of the kids
started talking, I'm like, okay, So it was an immediate
back to normal for Archer. The kids, it took a while,
but they later some of them are talking. Yeah. Yeah.
The parents. Alex's parents were the ones that were under it.
The longest. So I was like, it's probably going to
take them longer than anybody else to start to get
back to normal a little bit. So I was like,
I'm hopeful for Alex that his parents will make it back.
Speaker 1: He deserves it. He does. He does the hero of
the movie that moment when his dad isn't there to
pick him up and you immediately know something is wrong.
And then he gets home and he's trying to talk
to them and they're not answering back. I was crying
for that little kid.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, oh my god. It was. Yeah,
it was really rough. It was so so sad, so
sad it was.
Speaker 1: It was And Okay, Gladys. I wanted to talk about
Gladys a little bit, played by Amy Madigan again, like
I said earlier, Okay, Amy, I was not familiar with
your game, but wow, killed Amy eight. Yes, she did so.
Apparently Zach Kreeger told her to pick two different ideas
for Gladys' origin story and then she could pick either
one and he no one knows which one she picked, Yeah,
he said quote. I presented Amy with two options of
her origin story. I was like, you can pick one
of those two they're very different options. You don't have
to tell me, but it's either this or that. I
don't know which she put. One is that she was
once a regular person. For her spells and corrosive actions
are our last ditch effort to heal herself of a
life threatening illness. She had to adopt this methodology that
she uses out of a place of emergency to keep
herself alive. I won't say any more than that. The
other was that maybe she's not a person at all.
The off killed her red wigs and outlundish makeup suggests
Gladys is some other kind of creature trying to stimulate
what she thinks a normal human being looks like. But
she's doing it badly. He is framed, No, she is
framed in the context of Javier Bardem's character from No
Country for Old Men. I haven't seen it. But again,
he doesn't know the answer end quote. He doesn't know
the answer, and he loves that, he said, quote, I
don't need to know the answer. He doesn't need to
know it, which is why earlier I was like, I
think he loves the vagueness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Costume top notch.
Speaker 2: Listen this Halloween it's going to be a night of
a thousand gladyses. There's gonna be so many, and I
kind of want to be her too, even though I
know there's going to be one hundred of us out there,
but I'm like, I cannot wait to see. I mean,
already people are doing her costume and costplaying as her
online and I'm loving all of them. Yes, and I
also especially love drag queens performing as her. It's so good, amazing.
But yeah, the Halloween costumes are about to pop off.
Speaker 1: Yes, apparently the costume designer was like deranged grandma when
designing her.
Speaker 2: Look who's way Who's.
Speaker 1: The costume designer was thinking deranged grandma.
Speaker 2: When range GRAMA, Oh my god, yeah no, it really
really is that.
Speaker 1: Like, but before I go on with this part of
the notes, what do you think which one of those
do you think she pitched?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so hard to choose, Like ever
since so Jeff had told me about this, that that
that that quote, and I really like I cannot make
my mind up about it. I really don't know, I
I don't know. I'm I'm going to take the easy answer,
and I'm going to say it's a mix. I'm going
to say that she was maybe like faced with this
like life threatening thing, and she started doing these rituals
or this magic whatever it is, and it did become
corroser to her, and it opened her up to something else.
And so now she's a mix of something. Okay, maybe
she like drew in something. She made a deal, you know,
with a demon or something, and it's like now co
inhabiting her body. So in order to keep away this illness,
she needs to let that demon possess her so that
her body stays alive. I don't know. I'm like, yes,
I love that.
Speaker 1: I think she's a witch, but like an old ass,
ancient ass, which has been alive for so long. That's
why she doesn't know how to act because things keep change.
So she's like, I don't even know what the fuck
people are up to anymore. I'm going to be this
fucking weirdo. And I love that she needs people. You
know what she's doing. She needs to do that to
keep staying alive, because like there's so many legends where
we just had to eat babies to stay looking young,
and to me, this could be another iteration of that
where she has to do all this and so. But
the reason she acts so weird and doesn't act like
a normal person, like a creature trying to be a person,
is because she's so old. She like doesn't know how
to act.
Speaker 2: I love that option.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm going with here.
Speaker 2: I like that a lot. Yeah, she's like this ancient
thing maybe human, but yeah, like she's losing her humanity. Yeah,
because she's so alive.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I love that. Also, she's been compared to
the like thing from Long Legs. I haven't seen it either, though. Again,
these are all coming out when I was into my
movie going phase, and I can't I don't know. I
need to like treat movies as shows where I pause
them and then revisit them because I don't have a
lot of time to watch things. Accept the same shows
again and again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really liked Long Legs too. I can kind
of see that comparison.
Speaker 1: And then other people have compared her to the clown
from it, Pennywise. But I'm like, what if you combine
Pennywise and Long Legs, I think then that's what she
looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like I said earlier, like a
really freaky Ronald McDonald. Yeah, yeah, so maybe like a
demonic rotal McDonald.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and oh yeah, I re said this. She's just
like a super old Asian witch that doesn't want to die. Also,
what was like she's like obviously she's evil, Like there's
no questioning that. I still love her, you know, I
support her wrongs and her rights. But what was like
wild to me is that we see her get so
like a touch of emotion like sadness. When Alex is like,
if you get better, are you going to leave my house?
It's like she wanted to be welcome there, but first how.
Speaker 2: Like how yeah? Yeah, yeah, there's that little like shred
of again, that humanity where she feels that sting of
like I'm not wanted.
Speaker 1: Yes again, after all she's done to Alex, I don't
know why she would expect or want that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like miss thing parents' faces like, oh crazy,
that was crazy. I'm getting rid of all of our
civil war. We're only gonna have plastic cutlery from now on,
so we're eating with our hands. We're eating with our
hands honestly, because the plastic will hurt more, it won't
even go in.
Speaker 1: But the reason I think she's a very old ancient
witch is because of her rituals that she does. Because
her stick looks like it's from a blackthorn tree, which
is huge in Ireland, the British Isles, like Europe, it's
like connected to witchcraft there and it has been since
like the age of time, like fucking the I don't know,
witch trials of like the fifteen hundreds, like medieval times.
And this tree look up a blackthorn tree. It's like rough,
scaly looking, it looks scary, and the branch she has
very much looks like it. And to witches, this tree
represents the dark side of witchcraft.
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, this makes sense.
Speaker 1: And then even in like European Christian folklore, this tree
is associated with witches and apparently it was back then
believed to be used for binding whatever that means. At first,
I was like what does that mean? But then I
was like, you know what, it makes sense when you
think about how she's like when she uses her stick
and snaps it, that person belongs to her now basically
like you know, so she's like, I guess binding them.
You could say they're like attached to her now. So
I was like, wow, yeah, no, this doesn't make so
much sense. And in medieval times it was said that
the devil poked his followers fingers. I don't know why
their fingers, but then I was like, wait, she's poking
her finger. Oh my god, my brain is making connections. Anyway,
he would poke the finger of his followers with the
thorn of a blackthorn tree. And then I was like, wow, okay,
yeah she's a witch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm googling it now and I'm seeing all
of these results for this tree. I was like, oh
my god, it was like this magical bond zee and
I kind of want one, right, I'm like, where do
I where can they plan on? What nursery do I
go to to buy one? Right?
Speaker 1: Wow? So yeah that's the After reading all that, I
was like, no, this she's for sure, which to me now,
after all, taking all this and these practices are like
old as fuck, so like like Celtic times, I was like, well, well, yeah,
she's probably from that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She has such like a mastery of the craft
in the movie, like she's just like it's like second
nature to her. It's very she's like super casual with
it too, like especially when she's well for all of them.
She's just kind of talking to her and she's like, yeah,
you know, I'm like trying to She's like yeah, just
like you know, hot dog that's cute. Snap yeah yeah,
Like she's barely even trying. Yeah, she's no baby witch,
truly experienced, experienced for sure.
Speaker 1: Professional, She's been around and I mean that's what I
had on Gladys. Is there anything else you want to
add about her?
Speaker 2: She is the mother I never had, the sister I
always want. Okay, yeah, Like I'm obsessed with her and
the like the like for like, I don't know, I'm like,
I know she's evil. I know she's evil. I know
what she was doing was wrong, but she's kind of fierce.
Like you said earlier that County Bob, like she's giving
giving me life and she's and she's also taking life,
you know, so she's giving him taking. It's recipious. Yeah.
It was like just I don't know. Everything about her
was like such good character design and so well performed,
like and the the lore is so good, especially because
it's like, what exactly is the lore that ay Amy
Madigan was given this prompt of like you choose her
background and don't tell anybody I think that's so cool. Yeah,
she's one of my favorite characters. I think. Ever, like
she's yes, yes, so so cool.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. And then the title weapons. Obviously,
I think one direct tied to the title is Gladys
turning her victim into literal weapons to do her bidding
when she is snapping them to her will or snapping
them into her will. But there's something else, And I
was like, you know what, though, you could also say
that grief can be weaponized for nefarious purposes, which we
have seen in real irl sadly, like when the whole
this is terrible because I don't remember her name, Blake
and Riley act happened and unfortunately the family of her
went on like a media press run demonizing immigrants when
like one person did this, and I was like, she's
essentially become a weapon for them to push their narrative
and with the whole movie, so you're not grief, I
was like, oh, there it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh my god, that is such a good
way of looking at that, Like that's like a there's
got to be a better word than good, but that
is like such I don't know, like yeah, that is
it's just yeah, That is a really interesting, like I
think accurate way to look at that is that, yeah,
people will weaponize their grief and their trauma. Although it's hard,
it's hard right to be like, you don't want to
tell somebody how to grieve, but this is obviously like
you're like, yeah, you're using this person's tragedy to harm
entire communities, to harm an entire group of people, and
so yeah, you're essentially you're turning their their their legacy
now is that they're a weapon against those people. Yeah.
So wow, I didn't even I hadn't thought of that.
Speaker 1: And that is this is what happens when you overanalyze things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you really be thinking you yeah, yeah, god, yeah, yeah, no, definitely,
and it happens a lot. Yeah yeah, oh yeah wow.
Speaker 1: I mean even within the movie Josh Berlin, I keep
going from using his name in the movie and his
actor name because I keeps getting one or the other.
Speaker 2: But he is.
Speaker 1: Essentially attacking just seeing the most in that initial scene
during the conference that they're doing in the school, he's
the most outspoken. He's the one riding Witch on her car.
He's the one attacking her verbally, not like Marcus who
physically attracted her in the gas station, and because he
has turned his grief into a weapon because he's grieving.
Now there's a witch hunt for Justine who literally doesn't
know what's happening. Yeah, and she's become the scapegoat. But
it looks bad, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think one not even a criticism,
but just like something I was curious about is everybody
was so like like, yeah, the witch hunt was on her.
But I feel like if I was someone in that community,
I would have also been like why was he spared? Alex? Right?
Like where nobody asking Yeah, suddenly his parents are sick
after these kids go missing, like no, I want to
see them, Like what do you mean? Why was why
was he taken? And why was he left? And my
kid was taken? Yes, yeah, I would have been asking
that as much as I was like why why did
it happen? In her class? Like yes, his parents I
think were also should have been as much of a
suspects as as she was, right, because it's like, you know,
like why was he spared? Like that doesn't so yeah,
I was like why is nobody questioning except her? Except
for true? True? True? Yeah, But again like it's it's
a movie, right, so people are not going to go
to the most obvious things.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, another thing that came to mind for me,
and the director has come out and said, no, this
was not my intention at all, but in this climate,
there's no avoiding it. School shootings because kids, like all
these kids in a school go missing. At the same time,
the parents reaction to yelling at Justine could be very
much mirror a reaction of like, well, why did he
have access to this like gun? Why was nothing done
before to stop this? Like that's immediately my mind went
to there. And like literally at the time we were
recording this morning or was it yesterday, I see there
was a school shooting.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh my god. This fucking country is like
a shill truly, like put it in the garbage bin,
start all over. But yeah, it's kind of I think
that is like at like the surface level like before
I heard also like the interviews with Zach Wher, he
was like, no, this is more about like my childhood
versus anything else. I think it's very easy for people
to make that assumption, like Budge, it's about that, and
I think it is again for lack of a better word.
I think it's a good analogy. It's I think it's
like a poignant kind of way to have that conversation,
because yeah, it's like suddenly these kids go missing all
at once and it's in a school, and it's like,
this is something that unfortunately happens often in this fuck
ass country. So yeah, I'm like, yeah, I can see
how people made that connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Another big theme alcoholism addiction. The ramifications of
both of those things. We see with Justine whose alcoholism
gets worse and worse and then thus her descend back
into alcoholism affects Paul, who again is a piece of
shit already anyway, Yeah, but he makes the wrong choices
at the same time, and also what's it called, like
breaks his sobriety with her, and together they're terrible.
Speaker 2: Combination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they bring out the word in each other,
but they were meant to be, Yeah, truly, But like
we see her get worse and worse as the movie
goes on with her, like that's how she's coping with alcohol,
and then of course James James and his addiction on
how that plays out, and like through those characters, I
think it makes so much sense that it was an
introspective movie for the director when he talks about like
his parents and how this is like him putting that
into a movie, and I was like, oh, that makes
so much sense when you look at these three characters
and their addictions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, addiction was very prevalent in this movie. And yeah,
I don't think it's something that I've seen and maybe
I'm just not seeing a lot, but it's not I
think a conversation, the conversation that I've seen happening a
lot or maybe enough about this movie because I'm like
three of the main characters, like three of like the
characters that we follow in the movie, they're dealing with this,
So how is that not more of a focus? And
I'm talking about like in the rest of the world,
like people that are talking about the movie online and stuff.
But again, I could just be missing those conversations.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I haven't seen them, which is why
I brought it up. Why is no one talking about this?
Another thing that was like crazy to me because it's
like it happens again and again. But boundaries being crossed,
Oh my god, yeah, again and again, like obviously the biggest,
like you know, one Alex crossing the salt boundary that
Gladys has placed. But even like smaller examples of this
is like the initial when when uh, Justine, Justine and
Paul meet at the bar after that crazy meeting at
the school, where she's like, can I give you a
hug because that has to be like some boundary that
him and his girlfriend have and he breaks it immediately
He's like, sure of course you can.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah. That seem was kind of funny
to me too, because she was giving very like I'm
not like a regular girl. She's not She's not like
the other girl. Ye. Yeah. I was like, Okay, this
is a problem I already I can already tell like
I've seen this happen before. Yeah, that was yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And her continuous pushing boundaries with Marcus and Alex, Yes,
that was another big one where if she hadn't been
pushing so much, Marcus would have been alive watching documentaries
with Terry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, truly eating their seven hot dogs. But when
she was like parked outside of Alex's house on the
street and he's walking back and then now we know
that he's trying to get soup to all of his
classmates to keep and his parents to keep them alive. Yes,
and his fucking teacher is like, albeit, you know it's
it's probably it's coming from a good place. She's like
also scared and like this kid should be checked on.
Speaker 1: But she was told she's repeatedly to leave him alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point she's stalking him. Yeah, And I'm like,
this poor kid is already dealing with a lot, and
now he has this teacher that won't leave him the
fuck alone. And he like and he's also like, Gladys
has threatened him, I will kill your parents if anybody
finds out. So he's like just pleased, like I need
to just survive. Leave me alone. Yes, I'm like, oh
my girl, get away from him, get a job, get
away from him, get a job. The Demi Levado tweets yes,
get a job, stay away from him truly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just a lot of boundary pushing crossing in the movie,
Like it has to be like a purposeful theme.
Speaker 2: In you know when this was being made.
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are those are my notes.
Speaker 2: Ten out of ten movie.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what's your rating and then you
said it ten.
Speaker 2: Out of ten? Yeah, top again, just like all the
bangers that have been coming out lately, so so good. Yeah, everybody,
I think if you haven't seen it, you need to
go watch it. Yes, I would. I might go watch
it again.
Speaker 1: Even if I thought about it. Is I think this
weekend might be its last run?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because what is it a month that they're usually there
or is it a month a half? I think so No,
I don't know either.
Speaker 1: It's there this weekend for sure, though.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it again somehow. If I have to
wait for it to stream at home, I will. Oh yeah,
I'm waiting.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for it to be streaming somewhere so I
can watch it. I've already watched Sinners another two more times.
So good, so good, and yeah, I can't wait for
this to be streaming. I will probably look for it
to own the DVD as well, like it's it was
so good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's one that I want to own
like physical.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and yeah, Aiden, Thank you so much for
yapping with me about this movie.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me. This was so fun,
truly truly.
Speaker 1: Again, my dream is to have a movie recap podcast,
but I simply don't have the time.
Speaker 2: So this will do. This will do for now for now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, once a month or so, we should like
pick a movie together and just yeah about it. We'll
have it for our own Patreon members, so so we
can both post it. It'll be a blast. So let's
do the Substance next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to watch it. Yes, I'm so down. Okay,
you know what you all you let us know. And
one of my lights went out. Glads here Yeah, anyway,
I know I haven't here you go, I have it. Hey,
always have a backup. I love repaired bam. But anyway,
before glad Us interrupted me, I was gonna say, you
all let us know in the comments if you want
us to keep doing this together, if you want to
see us review the Substance, because yeah, this is so
much fun.
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everyone already knows where to find you. But like at
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