WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:05.160 It's time for Coffee and company. 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:09.679 Fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine day, now 3 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:28.199 Here's Nick Coffee. 4 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:32.920 Starting to get a little bit nervous. 5 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.000 Got the official confirmation yesterday afternoon that it is happening 6 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:40.399 next Thursday. I'm gonna be throwing out the first pitch 7 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:44.280 at the Louis of Bats game. And I've let you know, 8 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.159 people I know that I thought might want to be there, 9 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:49.159 meaning like my family, my close friends, and they're nervous 10 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:49.439 for me. 11 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:49.759 John. 12 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:52.679 They don't want you to embarrass yourself. Yeah, but like. 13 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.200 I'm not gonna look like I belong on the baseball field. 14 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:58.119 I don't think that would ever be the expectation, Like 15 00:00:58.159 --> 00:00:59.759 do they think? And I'm like, what do you mean? Like, 16 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:02.679 I think they'd be nervous for me, regardless of like 17 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:04.840 if if they did or did not know that. I 18 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:08.799 am someone that has probably thrown a baseball like legitimately 19 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:11.879 ten times in my life. I mean I've thrown like 20 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:14.519 to my son recently because he loves to play. But 21 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:16.719 I'm you know, I'm underhand tossing him the ball so 22 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:20.480 he can hit it. So I mean, if I don't 23 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.719 get it across the plate, like that's not like, I mean, 24 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:25.959 that's not a good look, but that's not like the 25 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.359 embarrassment that people think of when they think of bad 26 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:29.000 first pitches. 27 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:31.560 Right, Yeah, usually it's something way off target. But I mean, 28 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:33.359 imagine if you didn't make it to the play and 29 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.799 you hear like, oh, hyper fans laughing in the background. 30 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:37.760 John, I'm not gonna be shocked at all if I 31 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:39.719 don't make it to the play and then and and 32 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:41.920 you know, my dad's like, you're gonna be practicing. I'm 33 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:47.719 like no, I mean, like, I mean, I guess I 34 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:49.439 need to figure out how long it actually is in 35 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:52.200 regards to the distance, and you know, get a feel 36 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:54.599 for it. But I mean, I'm not gonna throw a 37 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:56.920 good pitch, and I have a feeling it's gonna be 38 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.920 you know, right in the middle. Not the worst, but sir, 39 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.599 not great, but you know, we'll see it'll get the 40 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:03.159 job done. 41 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:04.239 Yeah, maybe I'll like. 42 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:07.319 Break my arm like Rookie of the Year, that movie 43 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:09.719 that is my favorite baseball movie ever, where the kid 44 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:11.840 breaks his arm and then it leads to some kind 45 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:16.280 of like muscles using together to where like when he 46 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:18.840 moves his arm forward, it it just it's a rocket 47 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:21.319 launcher essentially, and he's throwing gas, gets called up, he 48 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:24.080 ends up getting to play for the Chicago Cubs. Love 49 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:27.840 that movie, Funky Butt Lovin. Good movie there. All right, 50 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:29.919 thank you guys for hanging out with us here on 51 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:33.240 a Friday. It is our last weekend without college football. 52 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.159 You've heard me say that a million times. Why not 53 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:40.280 say it once more. It's exciting. No more weekends without 54 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:43.719 college football after this one, and that's something to be 55 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.280 excited about. So if you have been listening throughout the show, 56 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:49.599 thank you. But if you are just now joining us, 57 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:51.080 we did talk a lot of college football and we'll 58 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:53.479 continue to do that right now as we bring him in. 59 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:56.479 That's right, we've got company. It's mister Zach Barnett of 60 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:59.639 FootballScoop dot Com. Happy Fridays, Zach, how we doing brother? 61 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:01.240 Doing good? 62 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:02.759 Nicholas, how are you doing well? 63 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:05.280 I'm I can be repetitive at times, so why not 64 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.759 do it again. I've told our listeners, and I'm sure 65 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:09.280 you know this, but how about this being our last 66 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:10.400 weekend without college football? 67 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:14.879 Zact Yeah, I mean we are going to be from 68 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:16.919 now till January twentieth. 69 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.039 I mean, I don't have my calendar in front of me. 70 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:20.879 But I think that's like two straight years. 71 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:26.520 Oh that gets me excited as hell, and I can't wait. 72 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:28.680 There's not great games next week in week zero, but hey, 73 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.560 it's there's a couple of games I'm gonna be interested 74 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:32.719 to watch. I'm gonna wager on them, and it's it's 75 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:34.840 gonna be a lot of fun. So earlier this week, 76 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:39.080 the AP pole came out and the Louisville Cardinals came 77 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.800 in at number twenty six. Kentucky received some boats, and 78 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:43.680 you know, I didn't want to get your thoughts necessarily 79 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.280 on those teams, but just even though I would imagine 80 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:47.759 you haven't told me this act, but I feel like 81 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:50.280 you don't put a whole lot into what the preseason 82 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.400 AP pole looks like. However, it is a reference point. 83 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:55.919 I think the playoff rankings, even though they come later, 84 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.039 it's actually made these rankings just not I mean, they 85 00:03:58.039 --> 00:03:59.840 still get talked about, but just doesn't seem to be 86 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:02.159 as significance there now that we actually have a committee 87 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.199 that gives us these weekly rank Because anyways, what I'm 88 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:08.159 getting at what team in the top twenty five caught 89 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.039 your attention the most as far as either being wait 90 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.560 a second, how are they ranked as high? Or maybe 91 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:15.280 wait a second, how are they ranked this low? Is 92 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.279 there one team that stands out that you feel like 93 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.920 was just way off as far as how you view them? 94 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:25.959 Uh, there's two, and they're they're linked together. There's Ole 95 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.360 miss who I think is the biggest paper tiger program. 96 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.680 I guess the second biggest paper tiger program in college football. 97 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:37.279 You know, last year their biggest accomplishments were losing to 98 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:39.000 Alabama and losing. 99 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:42.040 To Georgia, and they've somehow joined that group. Even though 100 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:46.120 they never actually beat any of those teams. They get that. 101 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.959 They did have to win over LSU, over a team 102 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:52.560 that couldn't tackle my eight year old in that LSU team, 103 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:55.279 and that was really all they accomplished in my eyes. 104 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.240 They were blown the heck out by Georgia, not super 105 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.639 competitive against Alabama, and then they beat another paper tiger 106 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.000 program in Penn State that hasn't won a game that's 107 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:07.160 mattered since twenty sixteen. So those two teams do a 108 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:11.519 really good job of beating of winning games are supposed 109 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:13.279 to win, but they never win any of the games 110 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:14.279 they're not supposed to win. 111 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.759 And this day and age. That may very well get 112 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:18.319 you into the college football playoffs, but. 113 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.240 I don't think their actual continues to even make the 114 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:24.040 semi finals. 115 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.480 When it comes to Ole Miss, Let's say the results 116 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:32.399 are exactly the same, but it's not Lane Kiffen coaching them. 117 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.680 Do they generate as much buzz and love you think? 118 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:42.399 No? Definitely not Lane's persona, And I definitely. 119 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:50.040 Think the the retirement of Nick Saban the ascension of 120 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.399 Jim Harbaugh helps him in the fact that, well, we 121 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.399 have to talk about something in college football. We don't 122 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.199 have Jim Harbor, we don't have Nick Saban, so that 123 00:05:58.279 --> 00:05:59.680 elevates Lane by default. 124 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.199 But I've been enough rooms where I'm. 125 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:06.519 The only media member there and coaches are talking to 126 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:09.199 each other, and the amount of time they talk about 127 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.639 culture to the media is. 128 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:13.839 Actually less than the amount of time they talk about. 129 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.839 Culture to each other. So over the years, that's leading me. 130 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.959 That's led me to believe that this culture stuff is real. 131 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.079 And so therefore, when when Lane says I don't think 132 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:26.439 it's possible to build great, great culture in the poortal era, 133 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:28.480 I believe them, and I believe Ole Miss. 134 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:30.879 Although very collection of good. 135 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.560 Individual talent, I don't believe this is going to be 136 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:35.040 a great team. 137 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.399 Yeah, do you think if in fact the it, I mean, 138 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:42.639 would you act shall start with this? Sticking with the SEC? 139 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:47.560 If if Napier is canned? Does all does Florida turned 140 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:49.759 to Lane Kiffin if he's able to have another you know, 141 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.879 successful Sea season, even if it means that, you know, 142 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:55.439 he didn't win any of the big games. But yet 143 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:57.800 they're still winning nine maybe ten, which for ole Miss 144 00:06:57.879 --> 00:06:59.040 is pretty good for their standard. 145 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.439 Yeah, I've always thought Lane's next move is to the NFL. 146 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:03.879 Really. 147 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:09.279 Yeah, he's a guy that obviously got a shot way 148 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.639 too early and has his eye. 149 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:12.399 He's had his. 150 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.920 Eye on a return to the NFL since the USC days. 151 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:22.399 And uh, I mean the portal. He's way raged, I'm 152 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.480 sure ragged raged on whatever on the portal as much 153 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.519 as anyone, even though he takes advantage of it as 154 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:30.920 much as anyone. So I and I think the Florida 155 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.160 job has has dropped in stature a little bit. 156 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:33.600 Really. 157 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.120 Uh, they're in their ni L game has kind of 158 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:39.040 been all over the place. Uh, you're still gonna play 159 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.560 Georgia every single year, even though the SEC East is gone. Uh, 160 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.519 You're still gonna play Florida State every year. Uh, They're 161 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:49.560 they're back on the upswing. Losing the SEC East means 162 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:53.480 you don't play South Carolina, Kentucky, Van Vanderbilt as often 163 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:56.319 as he used to, and that means they're gonna get 164 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.680 more Alabama, more Auburn, more more Old or Texas A 165 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:04.079 and m Oklahoma. So I mean, the right person, it's 166 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.000 still the University of Florida, the right person can still 167 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:07.560 make it work. 168 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:09.319 But I mean it's not the nineties. It's not the 169 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:10.759 early two thousands anymore. Either. 170 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.319 One of the things we've talked about many times over 171 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:17.560 the years during our conversations is about coaching, hires, fires, contracts, 172 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:18.920 that kind of stuff. And you guys do a great 173 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:20.879 job at football Scoop reporting on a lot of those 174 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.319 transactions that take place in the college football world. But 175 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:28.040 with now there being a twenty two million dollar annual 176 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.720 bill that these high profile universities are going to have, 177 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:32.360 I mean, it's not a bill, but if you're not 178 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.279 willing to pay what the maximum is, there's going to 179 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:36.440 be others that are and you're going to be at 180 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:38.639 a disadvantage. So these schools are not going to have 181 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.879 to pay these athletes themselves, and they're still going to 182 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:43.240 make anil money too. But my question is this, do 183 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:47.559 you think this actually is the the change within college 184 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:56.679 athletics where collectively, agents, coaches, universities, administration, all that understands 185 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.519 that the days of having these insane contracts for these 186 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:02.480 coaches where they can suck and not win games at 187 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:06.480 all and still be entitled to generational wealth potentially, Like, 188 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:09.279 doesn't this just like can't everybody read the room and 189 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:11.879 understand that the days of getting contracts like that just 190 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:15.240 it's got to be oh right, I don't think so. 191 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:19.799 I think the impact of this twenty two million dollar 192 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.279 figure is a little bit overstated because, first of all, 193 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:24.759 it's not all going to the football team, even though 194 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:26.679 the lion's share is, it's not all going to go 195 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.279 to the football team. And my understanding is schools are 196 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:32.120 going to be able to count a lot of the 197 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:35.639 money that they already pay towards this that let's just 198 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:36.080 call it a. 199 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:37.320 Fifteen million dollar figure. 200 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:42.399 So it's going to increase costs certainly, but I don't 201 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:45.759 think it's going to be as drastic as a twenty 202 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:50.720 two million dollar increase. And kind of like the sports 203 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.360 rights bubble. I have been waiting for a bubble in coaching, 204 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:56.519 in the coaching market for a long long time. It's 205 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.080 never come, and the money continues to It may level 206 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:04.080 off at a certain point, but it's not going down in 207 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:09.559 a competitive environment. If let's just say Florida does make 208 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.440 a change, they're not going to go out and say, 209 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:15.799 all right, Billy, it's or not Billy obviously, but all right, Lane, 210 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:18.360 let's just say it's time for us to get realistic. Here, 211 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:22.080 how's four million dollars over three years, So no one's 212 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:22.799 taking that job. 213 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.679 Yeah, I just even if we didn't have a big 214 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.000 shifting change within the sport, that is in il the 215 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.720 portal and again now school's having to pay. It is 216 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:36.879 still crazy that the coaches have these contracts in place 217 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:40.000 to where you know they can be terrible, and yet 218 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.679 they're still gonna be entitled to every single penny. You know, 219 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:45.360 you said something to me many years ago, I think 220 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:46.919 on the show. That always stuck with me because I 221 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.000 had never thought about it. But it's true. Most coaches 222 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.360 in college football are replaceable. There's very few that if 223 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.000 you have a good program, good resources. You know, that's 224 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:57.759 not to say coaches. Good coaches grow on trees. But 225 00:10:57.799 --> 00:10:59.960 if you have good infrastructure to where you've got resources 226 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.360 where a pretty good coach could have, you know, high 227 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.039 levels of success like you can be replaced, Which is 228 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.960 why I don't understand why so many athletic directors they 229 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:09.080 just they crumble. 230 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:09.279 Right. 231 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:10.759 I don't know if these agents walk in there with 232 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:12.759 a gun and a ski mask, but they put fear 233 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:14.600 into the ads that these guys are gonna leave and 234 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.960 somebody's gonna hire them, when in reality, more often than 235 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.720 not that's not the case. I don't know, I just 236 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:21.639 I guess I'm jealous that people can be so bad 237 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:23.279 at their job and still know that they're gonna end 238 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.039 up having a great life not working and having millions 239 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:27.320 and millions of dollars. 240 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:30.879 Well, I think it boils down to, in a lot 241 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.480 of ways, just a simple truth that these agents, this 242 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.000 is all they do is negotiate on behalf of their clients, 243 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:36.960 and they're the ads. 244 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.480 It's one of a hundred things that they do, and. 245 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:41.440 It's never enough. Your job is to continuously try to 246 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:42.840 get more, no matter how much they give you. 247 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.200 Right, right, And. 248 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.320 I think Jamie Sexton has done much better for himself 249 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.519 than any ad has over the course of his career. 250 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.159 So the incentives are all on the A D side, 251 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:00.360 are all on the agent side, excuse me, not on 252 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:01.840 the not on the side. 253 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:06.519 Yeah, I I this This is probably not a great example, 254 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:08.159 just because in the grand scheme of things, it wasn't 255 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:12.679 a huge transaction you know that shocked and rocked college football. 256 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:16.200 But Scott Saderfield when he was at Louisville that last year, 257 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:17.399 I mean, I think he can kind of read the 258 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:19.759 room here too, but he they louill was not going 259 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:23.360 to give him another extend, give him an extension in general, 260 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:25.440 which is unheard of. Most guys don't go into the 261 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:27.159 final year of their contract in college football. 262 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:27.960 They just don't. 263 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:30.639 So Louisville held held firm and just said, you know, 264 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:32.200 we you know, we're good, but we still kind of 265 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:33.879 want to see a little more before we make another 266 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.559 investment in another commitment. He had coaches on his staff 267 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:38.159 that you know, didn't want to leave, but hey, if 268 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:39.960 they if they think you only have one year, they're 269 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.600 going to go find a staff that has a little 270 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:45.279 more security. And it led to him, you know, via 271 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.879 Jimmy Sexton somehow getting the Cincinnati job one that you know, 272 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:51.840 Chip Kelly wanted and it led to, you know, Jeff 273 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:54.559 Brohm coming home. So I don't know Josh heard. Louise 274 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:56.919 was atlet the director is still relatively new in his 275 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:58.840 in his role here. But if all the things I 276 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:00.240 think of that, I'm like, yeah, I'm glad he did 277 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.600 that is because I could be wrong, and maybe you 278 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:04.679 wouldn't know, but you know better than I. I feel 279 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:06.799 like in that situation cet Off, it hadn't been bad 280 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:08.440 at Louisville. I feel like a lot of athletic directors 281 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:10.480 would have said, Okay, well we've got to extend him now. 282 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:15.440 Yeah, I mean, you could certainly make that case, but Louisville's. 283 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.840 Louisville's case was so different in that you had your 284 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:23.320 your dream candidate up the road that was receptive to 285 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:23.840 coming home. 286 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.200 So if Jeff Brohm so true in another world where Jeff. 287 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.360 Brohm's not available, who knows how that situation turned. 288 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.519 Yeah, Jeff brom doesn't exist, he may still be here. 289 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:35.200 I mean, in fact, he probably would be, to be 290 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.080 honest with you, because he didn't give you a fireable season. 291 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.360 It just you know, yeah, you're right, there was circumstances 292 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.559 there that did make it make it a little bit different. 293 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:43.200 But Zack Barnett is our guest joining us here talking 294 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.080 some college football. You guys can read his work at 295 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:49.080 FootballScoop dot com. You can follow him on Twitter at 296 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.240 Zach Underscore Barnett. You know, also listen to him. He's 297 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.320 the co host of the College Football Tailgate Show and 298 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.279 he's now joined the Radio world for ninety six to 299 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.679 seven the Ticket down there in Dallas. So I mean, 300 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:01.799 and and he doesn't even know it or he doesn't 301 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:03.480 brag about it, I'm sure. But he's also the official 302 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.879 college football correspondent for US here on Coffee and Companies, 303 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.519 So I mean, an impressive resume for our man, Zach, 304 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:11.679 who is joining us here on a Friday afternoon. So 305 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:14.080 quick question for you on and we'll move back into 306 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:15.200 some college football stuff. 307 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:15.879 Are you are you. 308 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.879 Expecting to get some real tea? As the kids say 309 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.399 when we hear from Connor Stallions in this Netflix documentary, Like, 310 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.399 I kind of feel as if he wouldn't they wouldn't 311 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:27.559 even put this together if he didn't share some things. 312 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:31.200 But then again, I was very underwhelmed with the Florida 313 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.320 documentary they did last year on the era that was 314 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:36.799 Tebow and and Urban Meyer. It was well done, interesting 315 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:40.120 because if that was just a legendary era for Florida football. 316 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:42.200 But like of all the things that went on there, 317 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:43.759 they didn't talk really much about any of that. I'm 318 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:45.039 just curious what you kind of if you have any 319 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.960 expectation for what we hear when Connor Stallions talks for 320 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:48.519 the first time. 321 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:51.879 Yeah, I didn't watch the Florida one, just because my 322 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:55.399 entire timeline that night the next morning was just crapping 323 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:56.279 on the thing and how. 324 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:58.399 Everybody had the same reaction you did. 325 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.200 Yeah, I watched the Johnny Man's one and it was 326 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.279 it was largely the same, So I expect this one. 327 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.200 It seems to me like they are going. 328 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:13.159 To make Connor Stallions look like this. I'm using air 329 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.600 quotes here, evil genius and the detail how he built 330 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.000 the system and all the links he went to, and 331 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.600 severely downplay anyone who's not Connor Stallion's. And I think 332 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.000 they're gonna leave. My anticipation is they're going to leave 333 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.279 a lot of the questions that we all have unasked 334 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.279 and unanswered, and they're going to paint it off like 335 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:35.440 this lone Wolf thing. 336 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:40.480 Yeah, I I'm I kind of. I do really enjoy 337 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:41.840 the Untold. 338 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:44.240 That's the I guess that's their Netflix version of the 339 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:46.519 of the thirty for thirty. Essentially, they've done some good 340 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:48.279 ones and they're all really well done, but I do 341 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.480 think some of them have kind of more so seemed 342 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:54.080 like pr pieces, like and that's not why they're doing it, 343 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:55.799 but like the Johnny Manzill I thought was well done, 344 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:58.039 but it really was sort of like to make him 345 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.399 look like, you know, not only a great player that 346 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:01.960 people might have forgot about, but kind of I don't 347 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.360 pay him as a victim in a way, which I 348 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:04.200 thought was kind of odd. 349 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:09.039 Yeah, it seems like the Untold, it seems like on 350 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.879 the Netflix side they approached these people like, hey, let 351 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.840 us tell your story. Yeah, we will tell your version 352 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.519 of the truth. And so I think it's going to 353 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.440 be a largely frustrating exercise, but I'll still watch it 354 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:21.000 and write about it. 355 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:21.519 I'm sure. 356 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.799 Yeah, I think even if you're not because you're if 357 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:27.320 it's a documentary rather be for an episode of a 358 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.279 series or an actual documentary film, you know, you can 359 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:32.720 never be the featured person and be someone who's like, 360 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:35.919 you know, executive producer, because again, like that's complete of interest. 361 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:36.559 But then again, I. 362 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:40.159 Feel like, you know, they probably wouldn't do this if 363 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.159 it was not something they were somewhat creatively, and like 364 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:46.080 there's no way urban Meyer's doing that without him having 365 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:48.440 a little bit of you know, say so in the 366 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.600 overall you know direction they're going because you know what 367 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:54.840 you said that one. I mean, it was again, it 368 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.200 was interesting just because that was such a phenomenal era 369 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.559 in such a dominant era for Florida. But like just 370 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.519 knowing all the guys on that roster and knowing like 371 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.279 all the things that took place during their time in 372 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:07.119 Gainesville and then to never be brought up in a 373 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.200 three episode. I mean, they got three episodes on Florida. 374 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:11.400 That just to me that was a little bit of 375 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.599 a it's got me to where are now with this 376 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:15.440 new batch of the ones they're rolling out. I'm not 377 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:18.200 I'm not as interested in Hey, let me ask you this, 378 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:20.000 what is your favorite sports documentary? 379 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:20.519 Is there one? 380 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:22.519 Hmmm? 381 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.160 My favorite sports documentary? 382 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:28.200 Were you a Last Chance? 383 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:28.359 Of you? 384 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:28.599 Guys? 385 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.440 I watched some of them, I wasn't by the channel 386 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:38.119 for for every single one. That's a good question, and 387 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:39.759 I'm disappointed in myself that I. 388 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:41.119 Don't mean you watch Hard Knocks. 389 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:44.559 Again, I've watched some I. 390 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:46.799 Don't watch Hard Knocks, and and I feel like hard 391 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.279 Knocks is like for what for what I consume? Like 392 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.559 I love documentaries in general. Obviously I love sports, but 393 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.680 to me, I'm not interested in like behind the scenes 394 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:58.759 and fl like no no offense to these guys, but 395 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.680 like I don't find they're behind the scene stuff to 396 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.119 be that interesting and compelling. Like that's why I did 397 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:05.400 like last jin Chu, because you're truly seeing guys, Like 398 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:07.160 it's interesting to me see what it's like for a 399 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.240 guy that's at the Juco level, maybe a guy who's 400 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:11.119 just trying to make it or a guy who got 401 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.279