Speaker 1: It's time for Coffee and company.
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Speaker 3: Starting to get a little bit nervous.
Speaker 4: Got the official confirmation yesterday afternoon that it is happening
Speaker 4: next Thursday. I'm gonna be throwing out the first pitch
Speaker 4: at the Louis of Bats game. And I've let you know,
Speaker 4: people I know that I thought might want to be there,
Speaker 4: meaning like my family, my close friends, and they're nervous
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 5: John.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to embarrass yourself. Yeah, but like.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna look like I belong on the baseball field.
Speaker 4: I don't think that would ever be the expectation, Like
Speaker 4: do they think? And I'm like, what do you mean? Like,
Speaker 4: I think they'd be nervous for me, regardless of like
Speaker 4: if if they did or did not know that. I
Speaker 4: am someone that has probably thrown a baseball like legitimately
Speaker 4: ten times in my life. I mean I've thrown like
Speaker 4: to my son recently because he loves to play. But
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm underhand tossing him the ball so
Speaker 4: he can hit it. So I mean, if I don't
Speaker 4: get it across the plate, like that's not like, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's not a good look, but that's not like the
Speaker 4: embarrassment that people think of when they think of bad
Speaker 4: first pitches.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, usually it's something way off target. But I mean,
Speaker 6: imagine if you didn't make it to the play and
Speaker 6: you hear like, oh, hyper fans laughing in the background.
Speaker 4: John, I'm not gonna be shocked at all if I
Speaker 4: don't make it to the play and then and and
Speaker 4: you know, my dad's like, you're gonna be practicing. I'm
Speaker 4: like no, I mean, like, I mean, I guess I
Speaker 4: need to figure out how long it actually is in
Speaker 4: regards to the distance, and you know, get a feel
Speaker 4: for it. But I mean, I'm not gonna throw a
Speaker 4: good pitch, and I have a feeling it's gonna be
Speaker 4: you know, right in the middle. Not the worst, but sir,
Speaker 4: not great, but you know, we'll see it'll get the
Speaker 4: job done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'll like.
Speaker 4: Break my arm like Rookie of the Year, that movie
Speaker 4: that is my favorite baseball movie ever, where the kid
Speaker 4: breaks his arm and then it leads to some kind
Speaker 4: of like muscles using together to where like when he
Speaker 4: moves his arm forward, it it just it's a rocket
Speaker 4: launcher essentially, and he's throwing gas, gets called up, he
Speaker 4: ends up getting to play for the Chicago Cubs. Love
Speaker 4: that movie, Funky Butt Lovin. Good movie there. All right,
Speaker 4: thank you guys for hanging out with us here on
Speaker 4: a Friday. It is our last weekend without college football.
Speaker 4: You've heard me say that a million times. Why not
Speaker 4: say it once more. It's exciting. No more weekends without
Speaker 4: college football after this one, and that's something to be
Speaker 4: excited about. So if you have been listening throughout the show,
Speaker 4: thank you. But if you are just now joining us,
Speaker 4: we did talk a lot of college football and we'll
Speaker 4: continue to do that right now as we bring him in.
Speaker 4: That's right, we've got company. It's mister Zach Barnett of
Speaker 4: FootballScoop dot Com. Happy Fridays, Zach, how we doing brother?
Speaker 5: Doing good?
Speaker 3: Nicholas, how are you doing well?
Speaker 4: I'm I can be repetitive at times, so why not
Speaker 4: do it again. I've told our listeners, and I'm sure
Speaker 4: you know this, but how about this being our last
Speaker 4: weekend without college football?
Speaker 7: Zact Yeah, I mean we are going to be from
Speaker 7: now till January twentieth.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't have my calendar in front of me.
Speaker 5: But I think that's like two straight years.
Speaker 4: Oh that gets me excited as hell, and I can't wait.
Speaker 4: There's not great games next week in week zero, but hey,
Speaker 4: it's there's a couple of games I'm gonna be interested
Speaker 4: to watch. I'm gonna wager on them, and it's it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a lot of fun. So earlier this week,
Speaker 4: the AP pole came out and the Louisville Cardinals came
Speaker 4: in at number twenty six. Kentucky received some boats, and
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't want to get your thoughts necessarily
Speaker 4: on those teams, but just even though I would imagine
Speaker 4: you haven't told me this act, but I feel like
Speaker 4: you don't put a whole lot into what the preseason
Speaker 4: AP pole looks like. However, it is a reference point.
Speaker 4: I think the playoff rankings, even though they come later,
Speaker 4: it's actually made these rankings just not I mean, they
Speaker 4: still get talked about, but just doesn't seem to be
Speaker 4: as significance there now that we actually have a committee
Speaker 4: that gives us these weekly rank Because anyways, what I'm
Speaker 4: getting at what team in the top twenty five caught
Speaker 4: your attention the most as far as either being wait
Speaker 4: a second, how are they ranked as high? Or maybe
Speaker 4: wait a second, how are they ranked this low? Is
Speaker 4: there one team that stands out that you feel like
Speaker 4: was just way off as far as how you view them?
Speaker 7: Uh, there's two, and they're they're linked together. There's Ole
Speaker 7: miss who I think is the biggest paper tiger program.
Speaker 7: I guess the second biggest paper tiger program in college football.
Speaker 7: You know, last year their biggest accomplishments were losing to
Speaker 7: Alabama and losing.
Speaker 5: To Georgia, and they've somehow joined that group. Even though
Speaker 5: they never actually beat any of those teams. They get that.
Speaker 7: They did have to win over LSU, over a team
Speaker 7: that couldn't tackle my eight year old in that LSU team,
Speaker 7: and that was really all they accomplished in my eyes.
Speaker 7: They were blown the heck out by Georgia, not super
Speaker 7: competitive against Alabama, and then they beat another paper tiger
Speaker 7: program in Penn State that hasn't won a game that's
Speaker 7: mattered since twenty sixteen. So those two teams do a
Speaker 7: really good job of beating of winning games are supposed
Speaker 7: to win, but they never win any of the games
Speaker 7: they're not supposed to win.
Speaker 5: And this day and age. That may very well get
Speaker 5: you into the college football playoffs, but.
Speaker 7: I don't think their actual continues to even make the
Speaker 7: semi finals.
Speaker 4: When it comes to Ole Miss, Let's say the results
Speaker 4: are exactly the same, but it's not Lane Kiffen coaching them.
Speaker 4: Do they generate as much buzz and love you think?
Speaker 5: No? Definitely not Lane's persona, And I definitely.
Speaker 7: Think the the retirement of Nick Saban the ascension of
Speaker 7: Jim Harbaugh helps him in the fact that, well, we
Speaker 7: have to talk about something in college football. We don't
Speaker 7: have Jim Harbor, we don't have Nick Saban, so that
Speaker 7: elevates Lane by default.
Speaker 5: But I've been enough rooms where I'm.
Speaker 7: The only media member there and coaches are talking to
Speaker 7: each other, and the amount of time they talk about
Speaker 7: culture to the media is.
Speaker 5: Actually less than the amount of time they talk about.
Speaker 7: Culture to each other. So over the years, that's leading me.
Speaker 7: That's led me to believe that this culture stuff is real.
Speaker 7: And so therefore, when when Lane says I don't think
Speaker 7: it's possible to build great, great culture in the poortal era,
Speaker 7: I believe them, and I believe Ole Miss.
Speaker 5: Although very collection of good.
Speaker 7: Individual talent, I don't believe this is going to be
Speaker 7: a great team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think if in fact the it, I mean,
Speaker 4: would you act shall start with this? Sticking with the SEC?
Speaker 4: If if Napier is canned? Does all does Florida turned
Speaker 4: to Lane Kiffin if he's able to have another you know,
Speaker 4: successful Sea season, even if it means that, you know,
Speaker 4: he didn't win any of the big games. But yet
Speaker 4: they're still winning nine maybe ten, which for ole Miss
Speaker 4: is pretty good for their standard.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've always thought Lane's next move is to the NFL.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a guy that obviously got a shot way
Speaker 7: too early and has his eye.
Speaker 5: He's had his.
Speaker 7: Eye on a return to the NFL since the USC days.
Speaker 7: And uh, I mean the portal. He's way raged, I'm
Speaker 7: sure ragged raged on whatever on the portal as much
Speaker 7: as anyone, even though he takes advantage of it as
Speaker 7: much as anyone. So I and I think the Florida
Speaker 7: job has has dropped in stature a little bit.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 7: Uh, they're in their ni L game has kind of
Speaker 7: been all over the place. Uh, you're still gonna play
Speaker 7: Georgia every single year, even though the SEC East is gone. Uh,
Speaker 7: You're still gonna play Florida State every year. Uh, They're
Speaker 7: they're back on the upswing. Losing the SEC East means
Speaker 7: you don't play South Carolina, Kentucky, Van Vanderbilt as often
Speaker 7: as he used to, and that means they're gonna get
Speaker 7: more Alabama, more Auburn, more more Old or Texas A
Speaker 7: and m Oklahoma. So I mean, the right person, it's
Speaker 7: still the University of Florida, the right person can still
Speaker 7: make it work.
Speaker 5: But I mean it's not the nineties. It's not the
Speaker 5: early two thousands anymore. Either.
Speaker 4: One of the things we've talked about many times over
Speaker 4: the years during our conversations is about coaching, hires, fires, contracts,
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. And you guys do a great
Speaker 4: job at football Scoop reporting on a lot of those
Speaker 4: transactions that take place in the college football world. But
Speaker 4: with now there being a twenty two million dollar annual
Speaker 4: bill that these high profile universities are going to have,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not a bill, but if you're not
Speaker 4: willing to pay what the maximum is, there's going to
Speaker 4: be others that are and you're going to be at
Speaker 4: a disadvantage. So these schools are not going to have
Speaker 4: to pay these athletes themselves, and they're still going to
Speaker 4: make anil money too. But my question is this, do
Speaker 4: you think this actually is the the change within college
Speaker 4: athletics where collectively, agents, coaches, universities, administration, all that understands
Speaker 4: that the days of having these insane contracts for these
Speaker 4: coaches where they can suck and not win games at
Speaker 4: all and still be entitled to generational wealth potentially, Like,
Speaker 4: doesn't this just like can't everybody read the room and
Speaker 4: understand that the days of getting contracts like that just
Speaker 4: it's got to be oh right, I don't think so.
Speaker 7: I think the impact of this twenty two million dollar
Speaker 7: figure is a little bit overstated because, first of all,
Speaker 7: it's not all going to the football team, even though
Speaker 7: the lion's share is, it's not all going to go
Speaker 7: to the football team. And my understanding is schools are
Speaker 7: going to be able to count a lot of the
Speaker 7: money that they already pay towards this that let's just
Speaker 7: call it a.
Speaker 5: Fifteen million dollar figure.
Speaker 7: So it's going to increase costs certainly, but I don't
Speaker 7: think it's going to be as drastic as a twenty
Speaker 7: two million dollar increase. And kind of like the sports
Speaker 7: rights bubble. I have been waiting for a bubble in coaching,
Speaker 7: in the coaching market for a long long time. It's
Speaker 7: never come, and the money continues to It may level
Speaker 7: off at a certain point, but it's not going down in
Speaker 7: a competitive environment. If let's just say Florida does make
Speaker 7: a change, they're not going to go out and say,
Speaker 7: all right, Billy, it's or not Billy obviously, but all right, Lane,
Speaker 7: let's just say it's time for us to get realistic. Here,
Speaker 7: how's four million dollars over three years, So no one's
Speaker 7: taking that job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just even if we didn't have a big
Speaker 4: shifting change within the sport, that is in il the
Speaker 4: portal and again now school's having to pay. It is
Speaker 4: still crazy that the coaches have these contracts in place
Speaker 4: to where you know they can be terrible, and yet
Speaker 4: they're still gonna be entitled to every single penny. You know,
Speaker 4: you said something to me many years ago, I think
Speaker 4: on the show. That always stuck with me because I
Speaker 4: had never thought about it. But it's true. Most coaches
Speaker 4: in college football are replaceable. There's very few that if
Speaker 4: you have a good program, good resources. You know, that's
Speaker 4: not to say coaches. Good coaches grow on trees. But
Speaker 4: if you have good infrastructure to where you've got resources
Speaker 4: where a pretty good coach could have, you know, high
Speaker 4: levels of success like you can be replaced, Which is
Speaker 4: why I don't understand why so many athletic directors they
Speaker 4: just they crumble.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: I don't know if these agents walk in there with
Speaker 4: a gun and a ski mask, but they put fear
Speaker 4: into the ads that these guys are gonna leave and
Speaker 4: somebody's gonna hire them, when in reality, more often than
Speaker 4: not that's not the case. I don't know, I just
Speaker 4: I guess I'm jealous that people can be so bad
Speaker 4: at their job and still know that they're gonna end
Speaker 4: up having a great life not working and having millions
Speaker 4: and millions of dollars.
Speaker 7: Well, I think it boils down to, in a lot
Speaker 7: of ways, just a simple truth that these agents, this
Speaker 7: is all they do is negotiate on behalf of their clients,
Speaker 7: and they're the ads.
Speaker 5: It's one of a hundred things that they do, and.
Speaker 4: It's never enough. Your job is to continuously try to
Speaker 4: get more, no matter how much they give you.
Speaker 5: Right, right, And.
Speaker 7: I think Jamie Sexton has done much better for himself
Speaker 7: than any ad has over the course of his career.
Speaker 7: So the incentives are all on the A D side,
Speaker 7: are all on the agent side, excuse me, not on
Speaker 7: the not on the side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I this This is probably not a great example,
Speaker 4: just because in the grand scheme of things, it wasn't
Speaker 4: a huge transaction you know that shocked and rocked college football.
Speaker 4: But Scott Saderfield when he was at Louisville that last year,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he can kind of read the
Speaker 4: room here too, but he they louill was not going
Speaker 4: to give him another extend, give him an extension in general,
Speaker 4: which is unheard of. Most guys don't go into the
Speaker 4: final year of their contract in college football.
Speaker 3: They just don't.
Speaker 4: So Louisville held held firm and just said, you know,
Speaker 4: we you know, we're good, but we still kind of
Speaker 4: want to see a little more before we make another
Speaker 4: investment in another commitment. He had coaches on his staff
Speaker 4: that you know, didn't want to leave, but hey, if
Speaker 4: they if they think you only have one year, they're
Speaker 4: going to go find a staff that has a little
Speaker 4: more security. And it led to him, you know, via
Speaker 4: Jimmy Sexton somehow getting the Cincinnati job one that you know,
Speaker 4: Chip Kelly wanted and it led to, you know, Jeff
Speaker 4: Brohm coming home. So I don't know Josh heard. Louise
Speaker 4: was atlet the director is still relatively new in his
Speaker 4: in his role here. But if all the things I
Speaker 4: think of that, I'm like, yeah, I'm glad he did
Speaker 4: that is because I could be wrong, and maybe you
Speaker 4: wouldn't know, but you know better than I. I feel
Speaker 4: like in that situation cet Off, it hadn't been bad
Speaker 4: at Louisville. I feel like a lot of athletic directors
Speaker 4: would have said, Okay, well we've got to extend him now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you could certainly make that case, but Louisville's.
Speaker 7: Louisville's case was so different in that you had your
Speaker 7: your dream candidate up the road that was receptive to
Speaker 7: coming home.
Speaker 5: So if Jeff Brohm so true in another world where Jeff.
Speaker 7: Brohm's not available, who knows how that situation turned.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff brom doesn't exist, he may still be here.
Speaker 4: I mean, in fact, he probably would be, to be
Speaker 4: honest with you, because he didn't give you a fireable season.
Speaker 4: It just you know, yeah, you're right, there was circumstances
Speaker 4: there that did make it make it a little bit different.
Speaker 4: But Zack Barnett is our guest joining us here talking
Speaker 4: some college football. You guys can read his work at
Speaker 4: FootballScoop dot com. You can follow him on Twitter at
Speaker 4: Zach Underscore Barnett. You know, also listen to him. He's
Speaker 4: the co host of the College Football Tailgate Show and
Speaker 4: he's now joined the Radio world for ninety six to
Speaker 4: seven the Ticket down there in Dallas. So I mean,
Speaker 4: and and he doesn't even know it or he doesn't
Speaker 4: brag about it, I'm sure. But he's also the official
Speaker 4: college football correspondent for US here on Coffee and Companies,
Speaker 4: So I mean, an impressive resume for our man, Zach,
Speaker 4: who is joining us here on a Friday afternoon. So
Speaker 4: quick question for you on and we'll move back into
Speaker 4: some college football stuff.
Speaker 3: Are you are you.
Speaker 4: Expecting to get some real tea? As the kids say
Speaker 4: when we hear from Connor Stallions in this Netflix documentary, Like,
Speaker 4: I kind of feel as if he wouldn't they wouldn't
Speaker 4: even put this together if he didn't share some things.
Speaker 4: But then again, I was very underwhelmed with the Florida
Speaker 4: documentary they did last year on the era that was
Speaker 4: Tebow and and Urban Meyer. It was well done, interesting
Speaker 4: because if that was just a legendary era for Florida football.
Speaker 4: But like of all the things that went on there,
Speaker 4: they didn't talk really much about any of that. I'm
Speaker 4: just curious what you kind of if you have any
Speaker 4: expectation for what we hear when Connor Stallions talks for
Speaker 4: the first time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't watch the Florida one, just because my
Speaker 7: entire timeline that night the next morning was just crapping
Speaker 7: on the thing and how.
Speaker 5: Everybody had the same reaction you did.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I watched the Johnny Man's one and it was
Speaker 7: it was largely the same, So I expect this one.
Speaker 5: It seems to me like they are going.
Speaker 7: To make Connor Stallions look like this. I'm using air
Speaker 7: quotes here, evil genius and the detail how he built
Speaker 7: the system and all the links he went to, and
Speaker 7: severely downplay anyone who's not Connor Stallion's. And I think
Speaker 7: they're gonna leave. My anticipation is they're going to leave
Speaker 7: a lot of the questions that we all have unasked
Speaker 7: and unanswered, and they're going to paint it off like
Speaker 7: this lone Wolf thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I'm I kind of. I do really enjoy
Speaker 3: the Untold.
Speaker 4: That's the I guess that's their Netflix version of the
Speaker 4: of the thirty for thirty. Essentially, they've done some good
Speaker 4: ones and they're all really well done, but I do
Speaker 4: think some of them have kind of more so seemed
Speaker 4: like pr pieces, like and that's not why they're doing it,
Speaker 4: but like the Johnny Manzill I thought was well done,
Speaker 4: but it really was sort of like to make him
Speaker 4: look like, you know, not only a great player that
Speaker 4: people might have forgot about, but kind of I don't
Speaker 4: pay him as a victim in a way, which I
Speaker 4: thought was kind of odd.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems like the Untold, it seems like on
Speaker 7: the Netflix side they approached these people like, hey, let
Speaker 7: us tell your story. Yeah, we will tell your version
Speaker 7: of the truth. And so I think it's going to
Speaker 7: be a largely frustrating exercise, but I'll still watch it
Speaker 7: and write about it.
Speaker 5: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think even if you're not because you're if
Speaker 4: it's a documentary rather be for an episode of a
Speaker 4: series or an actual documentary film, you know, you can
Speaker 4: never be the featured person and be someone who's like,
Speaker 4: you know, executive producer, because again, like that's complete of interest.
Speaker 3: But then again, I.
Speaker 4: Feel like, you know, they probably wouldn't do this if
Speaker 4: it was not something they were somewhat creatively, and like
Speaker 4: there's no way urban Meyer's doing that without him having
Speaker 4: a little bit of you know, say so in the
Speaker 4: overall you know direction they're going because you know what
Speaker 4: you said that one. I mean, it was again, it
Speaker 4: was interesting just because that was such a phenomenal era
Speaker 4: in such a dominant era for Florida. But like just
Speaker 4: knowing all the guys on that roster and knowing like
Speaker 4: all the things that took place during their time in
Speaker 4: Gainesville and then to never be brought up in a
Speaker 4: three episode. I mean, they got three episodes on Florida.
Speaker 4: That just to me that was a little bit of
Speaker 4: a it's got me to where are now with this
Speaker 4: new batch of the ones they're rolling out. I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not as interested in Hey, let me ask you this,
Speaker 4: what is your favorite sports documentary?
Speaker 3: Is there one?
Speaker 5: Hmmm?
Speaker 7: My favorite sports documentary?
Speaker 3: Were you a Last Chance?
Speaker 5: Of you?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 7: I watched some of them, I wasn't by the channel
Speaker 7: for for every single one. That's a good question, and
Speaker 7: I'm disappointed in myself that I.
Speaker 3: Don't mean you watch Hard Knocks.
Speaker 5: Again, I've watched some I.
Speaker 4: Don't watch Hard Knocks, and and I feel like hard
Speaker 4: Knocks is like for what for what I consume? Like
Speaker 4: I love documentaries in general. Obviously I love sports, but
Speaker 4: to me, I'm not interested in like behind the scenes
Speaker 4: and fl like no no offense to these guys, but
Speaker 4: like I don't find they're behind the scene stuff to
Speaker 4: be that interesting and compelling. Like that's why I did
Speaker 4: like last jin Chu, because you're truly seeing guys, Like
Speaker 4: it's interesting to me see what it's like for a
Speaker 4: guy that's at the Juco level, maybe a guy who's
Speaker 4: just trying to make it or a guy who got
Speaker 4: arrested had to go down to Juco. Like I'm more
Speaker 4: fascinated about the real live situations. And it's not that
Speaker 4: it's not real life with Hard Knocks, but like the
Speaker 4: Quarterback Show on Netflix and now there's Receiver, I'm sure
Speaker 4: those are great, but I'm not really interested in like
Speaker 4: behind the scenes stuff of super famous athletes.
Speaker 5: Okay, here's this is my dream.
Speaker 7: Maybe one day I'll pivot and get this thing done
Speaker 7: my dream documentary, and I know HBO has done something
Speaker 7: similar to this, but I think it.
Speaker 5: Would work great for football. Is let's say it's a
Speaker 5: Louisville Kentucky.
Speaker 7: Game, and you have two camera crews spending all week
Speaker 7: with the Louisville staff and the Kentucky staff, And so
Speaker 7: when Louisville's in their third down offense meeting, we see that.
Speaker 7: And then when we see Kentucky and their third down
Speaker 7: defense meeting, and we see the nooks and creanies of
Speaker 7: how they prepare for each other.
Speaker 4: And they get no creative control at all, No, and
Speaker 4: the cameras are like flies.
Speaker 2: On the wall.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we get to go inside and see how
Speaker 7: these teams prepare and then see how the game turns out,
Speaker 7: and we can see, you know, the insane hours these
Speaker 7: guys put in. We can see how much of it is. Oh,
Speaker 7: at ten fifteen on Tuesday night they cracked it open,
Speaker 7: or hey, they had the great game plan, but the
Speaker 7: snap was bad and that threw everything off and the
Speaker 7: game winning third down touchdown pass was on a total
Speaker 7: broken play that no one could possibly prepare for.
Speaker 5: That would be magic to.
Speaker 4: Me, streaming networks. If you're listening. I think my man's
Speaker 4: made a pretty compelling pitch. I think Zach maybe maybe
Speaker 4: onto something. Hey, random as hell, but I'm gonna throw
Speaker 4: it at you. You know who I think would be
Speaker 4: a I shouldn't say one person, but are you familiar
Speaker 4: with what a carnie.
Speaker 5: Is someone who works at a carnival.
Speaker 4: Yes, So, like the Kentucky State Fair is going on
Speaker 4: right now here in Louisville, and you know, I'm sure
Speaker 4: there's festivals. There's state Fair obviously in Texas, but like
Speaker 4: even your county fair. Like when you got a crew
Speaker 4: that comes in with rides and they look as if
Speaker 4: like they've been bandaged together with duct tape, you know,
Speaker 4: you kind of question the guy who picks up your
Speaker 4: kid to maybe help them get on the ride, and
Speaker 4: they travel the country, you know, they're drifters. I think
Speaker 4: a documentary on the lifestyle of this in the stories
Speaker 4: of those people would be fascinating, as Helle, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not noneing the new with sports, but like I'm
Speaker 4: going to the fair tomorrow and we're talking documentaries, wouldn't
Speaker 4: you think that people would want to tune in to
Speaker 4: hear like, who this guy?
Speaker 3: What a story?
Speaker 4: How to end up working the working the ferris wheel
Speaker 4: at the at the something County Fair, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I just feel like there's like those people and I
Speaker 4: hate to act as if like they're you know, they're
Speaker 4: criminals or they're bad people. But I feel like when
Speaker 4: I'm waiting for my kid to get off that ride
Speaker 4: and I'm looking at the guy smoking a cigarette looking
Speaker 4: like you're just ready for the day to end, I
Speaker 4: can just sense that that guy's got stories, that's that
Speaker 4: guy's been through something.
Speaker 5: Then yeah, I would watch that.
Speaker 7: It seems to me like all the people that all
Speaker 7: every carneye is like the people who works for Joe Exotic.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Joe Exotic is not.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Joe Exotic is is maybe one
Speaker 4: of the most interesting documentary characters of all time. Like
Speaker 4: Joe Like, that's a great point we think alike here
Speaker 4: creatively because that like that's kind of what I'm going for,
Speaker 4: Like the people, because the awesome characters that were in
Speaker 4: Tiger King that weren't Joe Exotic, Like those are the
Speaker 4: exact kind of people I'm thinking of that work these
Speaker 4: as Carney. So yeah, we're uh, we're on the same page.
Speaker 4: All right, last question for you, and then I'll let
Speaker 4: you go. Who wins the Husband Trophy this year? Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 7: I think Caleb Downs is the best player in college football,
Speaker 7: but he has no shot at winning it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go, I'm a believer in this team and
Speaker 5: this guy. Uh, I'll make a boring pick and say,
Speaker 5: Jalon Milroe.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, is he getting I feel like he's getting
Speaker 4: more love than he was at the end of last year.
Speaker 4: And maybe it's just because people realize, oh, by the way,
Speaker 4: he was pretty good. A lot of guys get better.
Speaker 4: But is there any is there any chance act that,
Speaker 4: like people have seen how dominant and unstoppable he is
Speaker 4: in NAA football for you A sports that they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: this guy, nobody can stop him. I've not played the game,
Speaker 4: but I've heard he's like one of the toughest guys
Speaker 4: to defend in that game.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I'm actually planning on purchasing a PS five today.
Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah, hell ya on a Friday, baby.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But I think in a way, obviously you're you're never
Speaker 7: gonna say you're gonna upgrade when you move on from
Speaker 7: Nick Saban. Sure, but I mean Caylen de Boor is
Speaker 7: as bona fide as anybody on the offense side of
Speaker 7: the ball. So with how much he improved last year,
Speaker 7: having getting to have a whole season under Klen, de
Speaker 7: Boor has has made his stock go up.
Speaker 3: Zach, you're the man.
Speaker 4: Enjoyed that PS five, Enjoy your last weekend without college football.
Speaker 4: It's here, man, We're getting closer and closer. Talk to
Speaker 4: you sooner, brother, can't wait.
Speaker 5: Right, take care of that.
Speaker 4: Zach Barnett, fooballscoop dot Com. I always appreciate the conversation.
Speaker 4: They're good stuff as always, and it is funny, you know.
Speaker 4: I always I've never met Zach in person. I've had
Speaker 4: him on my show for going on ten years probably,
Speaker 4: and I feel like I'm having a conversation with somebody
Speaker 4: I've known forever, and I'm referencing things he said over
Speaker 4: the years, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that was back
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen when I was on in middays. So
Speaker 4: always good to talk to my man, Zach. All right,
Speaker 4: quick break, we'll keep it rolling along. It's a Friday.
Speaker 4: We're feeling good. Coffee and company fueled by thorns. WI
Speaker 4: you hit me with that saxophone on a Friday joke.
Speaker 4: Come on, now, we got about twenty five minutes left
Speaker 4: here before we get out here for the weekend. Maybe
Speaker 4: some of you have already started your weekend. If that's
Speaker 4: the case, then you know, shout out to you. We'll
Speaker 4: be doing the same thing before before too long. So
Speaker 4: I talked a little earlier about my fantasy football draft
Speaker 4: on Saturday, and two different people have responded, sort of
Speaker 4: sharing I guess somewhat similar thoughts as far as fantasy
Speaker 4: football just doesn't seem to be as big of a
Speaker 4: priority because you can now bet on sports and that
Speaker 4: gives you like a direct, like it gives you a direct,
Speaker 4: just think the right way to describe it, like when
Speaker 4: you bet on a sport, bet on a game, like
Speaker 4: you know right away, hey that's a payday or it's not.
Speaker 4: And in fantasy football it's more of like a grind.
Speaker 4: And they really to me, it just seems I don't
Speaker 4: want to say it's a lot of work because it's not.
Speaker 4: I mean, setting your drafting and then setting your roster
Speaker 4: is not like, oh man, it just takes so much
Speaker 4: time it's a lot of work because it's not. But
Speaker 4: I think people kind of view it as a chore
Speaker 4: because you know, they're just more interested in doing parlays
Speaker 4: on a s.
Speaker 1: The instant gratification.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think even like fantasy, like daily fantasy,
Speaker 4: has sort of replaced.
Speaker 5: The the.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't want to act like nobody
Speaker 4: plays fantasy football, but it just to me doesn't seem
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 3: You know it here's what it was to need like
Speaker 3: it used to.
Speaker 6: As somebody who's never done it myself, I've had a
Speaker 6: couple of people reach out to me about doing it
Speaker 6: this year, and I think it's harder to bring in
Speaker 6: new people to fantasy football. You have people who were
Speaker 6: like Schafers, if that makes sense, But I think bringing
Speaker 6: in a new audience to fantasy football is a lot
Speaker 6: harder than it used to be.
Speaker 4: So they do have the daily fantasy that you can do,
Speaker 4: which has been around for a while, and one person
Speaker 4: wrote in and said that that collectively their group realized
Speaker 4: they weren't into it as much, so now they just
Speaker 4: do a weekly league where they all join in to do.
Speaker 4: You know, you get a certain bank and you can
Speaker 4: buy players players costs a certain amount of money, and
Speaker 4: you know they're still doing fantasy football, just not in
Speaker 4: a way that you typically would do it with a
Speaker 4: each week you play a different person and that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff. And then one person wrote in early on
Speaker 4: the text line and said, I felt for years I
Speaker 4: needed to quit my team, but I couldn't do it,
Speaker 4: always getting grilled by my boys for not setting my roster,
Speaker 4: and finally I just told them I'm out. Thought it
Speaker 4: would make me sad and I would regret it. Never
Speaker 4: regretted it.
Speaker 3: So good for you. I mean, maybe that's the thing,
Speaker 3: just you know, once you that's the thing.
Speaker 4: If we lost a few players in our league, I
Speaker 4: do think it would be really hard to like not
Speaker 4: but we wouldn't want to add randos, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? Like this is our league to where for
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I think for the first time,
Speaker 4: we're all kind of on the same page as far
Speaker 4: as what this league is meaning. We know many don't
Speaker 4: prioritize it and betting has become a bigger focal point
Speaker 4: for people on Sunday afternoons rather than monitoring their fantasy
Speaker 4: football team. But it's our league. It's been going on
Speaker 4: for close to fourteen years now. I think it is
Speaker 4: and it's you go, it's all about the draft. It's
Speaker 4: all about the draft, I'm telling you, because we get
Speaker 4: one day a year where ten of us who have
Speaker 4: known each other. And I did think about it during
Speaker 4: the break, like, did I fib a little bit? No,
Speaker 4: everybody in this league has known one another for at
Speaker 4: least twenty years.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: So you know, we've been doing this for a long
Speaker 4: time and we get that one day where all of
Speaker 4: us are together. And maybe it's only been this way
Speaker 4: for the last couple of years, but I'm quite sure
Speaker 4: that the ten of us that are in this league,
Speaker 4: the only time we were all together at one point
Speaker 4: in the last couple of years when we have this draft. So,
Speaker 4: you know, looking forward to it on Sunday, I don't
Speaker 4: know if my team's going.
Speaker 3: To be any good.
Speaker 4: Don't even remember my log in to get into the
Speaker 4: league that we have. I don't have to reset the password,
Speaker 4: I'm sure, But you know, the draft is what gets
Speaker 4: me excited about it. Still, all right, let's talk football
Speaker 4: betting here. So this is just something interesting to keep
Speaker 4: in mind. I have never been real big on trends
Speaker 4: because I don't think trends happen because like when if
Speaker 4: a coach is really good at covering that's that's not
Speaker 4: really a trend. That just means the coach is good
Speaker 4: at it, keeping a game closer than people would have expected,
Speaker 4: or making it a bigger blowout of people people would
Speaker 4: have expected. So like to me, I don't think of
Speaker 4: that as a trend. But like if a team has
Speaker 4: had like for example, this is college football's best teams
Speaker 4: against the spread in the last ten seasons. So again
Speaker 4: when I say, I don't put a lot in like
Speaker 4: what happened for the last ten years really won't have
Speaker 4: a big impact in this upcoming season, especially if you've
Speaker 4: got like a new era of different coaches and all that.
Speaker 4: But the college football team that has the best percentage
Speaker 4: at covering the spread in the last season is Liberty.
Speaker 4: They are fifty three I'm sorry, fifty thirty one and
Speaker 4: two to pushes in the last ten seasons. And what
Speaker 4: does that tell you that Liberty has I mean, they've
Speaker 4: been pretty good. I mean, let me look up there.
Speaker 4: Not that anybody cares about Liberty football, but I just
Speaker 4: want to make sure I'm not losing my mind, because
Speaker 4: I feel like they've been pretty good for who they are. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like in the last ten years Liberty, I mean we're
Speaker 4: talking thirteen wins, eight wins, eight wins, ten wins, eight wins,
Speaker 4: and then a bunch of six win seasons. So like
Speaker 4: they have. What they've done is they have probably been
Speaker 4: favorites in games and they've probably just obliterated that and
Speaker 4: won by a lot more, which by the way, by
Speaker 4: the way, I totally had forgot that Jamie Chadwell was
Speaker 4: their coach now at Liberty. All Right, some other teams
Speaker 4: here that might surprise you as far as again, these
Speaker 4: are the teams with the best percentage rate of covering
Speaker 4: the spread in the last ten years. Kansas State is
Speaker 4: at number two, Notre Dame number three, Virginia number four,
Speaker 4: and then there's a tie with it looks like four
Speaker 4: teams that have covered fifty seven point three percent of
Speaker 4: the time. That's Utah, Penn State, LSUU and Miami of Ohio.
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State is at nine, and then tied for tenth
Speaker 4: is Ohio. Not Ohio State, but Ohio the Bobcats and UAB.
Speaker 4: So what are those teams have in common? Not really anything,
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, right, Like, of those teams,
Speaker 4: who's can like LSU's been the best of those, I
Speaker 4: would say, and Notre Dame in there as well. But
Speaker 4: it really comes down to like, okay, like, for example,
Speaker 4: I would be willing to bet that Virginia is there
Speaker 4: because they have sucked a lot, right, They've been terrible
Speaker 4: Virginia football. When was the last time they were like
Speaker 4: legitimately like a team you had to worry about?
Speaker 3: Ever?
Speaker 4: Probably, but they probably have big spreads and don't end
Speaker 4: up getting blown out by quite as much like Louisll
Speaker 4: last year Louisville, if you remember they had to sweat
Speaker 4: that out that might have been that could be wrong here.
Speaker 4: I think Louisville that home game on a was it
Speaker 4: a Thursday night when they played Virginia and nearly lost.
Speaker 4: That might have been the biggest spread Louisville had in
Speaker 4: the ACC last year. And yet they nearly lost that game.
Speaker 4: I mean they did kind of in the fourth quarter
Speaker 4: really just you know, take over, but it was still
Speaker 4: a close game that it felt like for a good
Speaker 4: chunk of it that you may end up losing. All right,
Speaker 4: Since we're talking sports wagering, this is something I briefly
Speaker 4: brought up yesterday and I actually kind of talked about
Speaker 4: it also at the beginning of the show today. But
Speaker 4: when you start cashing out at some point, these sportsbooks
Speaker 4: are going to start taking a cut due to taxes.
Speaker 4: And let me get the specifics here, because it's actually
Speaker 4: a pretty good ride up by USA today as far
Speaker 4: as what's going on here. So yeah, it says here
Speaker 4: that betters will will still end up paying a price
Speaker 4: in the fallout of the FanDuel Draft Kings not adding
Speaker 4: a surch charge. Here's what it says here that better's
Speaker 4: in high tax states like Illinois, New York, Vermont in
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania were able to breathe a sigh of relief. Earlier
Speaker 4: this week after the parent company of FanDuel announced it
Speaker 4: would be adding a surch charge or I'm sorry, it
Speaker 4: would not be adding a surd charge to winning bets.
Speaker 4: This decision prompted draft Kings to reverse course on its
Speaker 4: previously announced plan to add a SURD charge, which would
Speaker 4: have cost betters a percentage of their winning So Fandel says, nope,
Speaker 4: we're not doing it, and DraftKings has has decided to
Speaker 4: reverse course. Because it's a highly competitive, highly competitive in
Speaker 4: the sports gambling space, especially between those two. So if
Speaker 4: Fandel's going to say no, we're not going to take
Speaker 4: any taxes out, DraftKings has a tough time claiming that
Speaker 4: they're going to do that and not expect to lose,
Speaker 4: because again, the average bet better is not taking away
Speaker 4: whole taking away whole lot of money when they cash out,
Speaker 4: I would assume if they even do. And if one
Speaker 4: one sport and by the way, they're all kind of
Speaker 4: the same, but one, if one sports book is going
Speaker 4: to take a tax out on the others, not like
Speaker 4: it's a no brainer you would go to the one
Speaker 4: that doesn't tax you. So it's really just a no
Speaker 4: brainer decision for DraftKings to reverse course. But it sounds
Speaker 4: like there's still going to be eventually a day where
Speaker 4: you end up not being able to just take completely
Speaker 4: the the money that's in your account after you win
Speaker 4: and you cash out like that, that number eventually is
Speaker 4: going to look a little bit smaller.
Speaker 3: So it says here that.
Speaker 4: Let's see, yeah, yeah, let me make sure I've got
Speaker 4: the right part of the article. It's there's However, while
Speaker 4: it may be welcome news for betters and short term
Speaker 4: customers in these states, shouldn't get too excited. Yet sportsbooks
Speaker 4: will still find ways to make their customers pay a
Speaker 4: part of those high tax bills. So one confirmed way
Speaker 4: that betters will be impacted is they're going to receive
Speaker 4: fewer promotions. So Fanjil did say on Tuesday's earnings call
Speaker 4: that they planned to mitigate fifty percent of the increased
Speaker 4: gaming tax in Illinois through quote locally optimized promotional and
Speaker 4: marketing spend. So, in other words, betters in these high
Speaker 4: tax areas can probably expect to see fewer or less
Speaker 4: enticing sign up bonuses or a drop off in those
Speaker 4: profit boosts that you see no sweat bets. You guys
Speaker 4: have seen those, right, those types of bonuses out there,
Speaker 4: So that'll give better as a chance to place wagers.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just gonna basically make it where you
Speaker 4: can't place wagers on their dime. So this isn't like
Speaker 4: some dramatic shift in you know, in sports wagering. But
Speaker 4: again it's still relatively new. It's a baby in all honesty,
Speaker 4: and they still can capitalize right now because there's a
Speaker 4: lot I mean, it's something that I consume a lot
Speaker 4: of sports wagering during football and basketball season. It doesn't
Speaker 4: you know, run my life. But you know, when you're
Speaker 4: so wrapped up into it and you love it and
Speaker 4: you enjoy doing it and it's fun, you know, it
Speaker 4: makes you not realize that there's so many people that
Speaker 4: probably watch just as much football as you, but they've
Speaker 4: never had the itch to just you know, download an
Speaker 4: app and sign up. So there still is going to
Speaker 4: be a whole lot of like, you know, sign up.
Speaker 4: Because again for me, when I hear people like when
Speaker 4: I when I'm when I start giving out promo codes
Speaker 4: for the sports book that I'm going to be working
Speaker 4: with this season, you know, here I am thinking like,
Speaker 4: who hadn't signed up yet? Like you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 4: how could you not have signed up? This is great,
Speaker 4: I've been doing it, you know, this is awesome. But
Speaker 4: there's so many people that, like, you know, that's just
Speaker 4: not their thing. Like some of my close friends that
Speaker 4: you know are are probably more knowledgeable of college football
Speaker 4: than me, Like they just have never had the urge
Speaker 4: to do it. I don't know if it's because they're
Speaker 4: worried they're going to get addicted or what it is, but.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Some people just know their tendencies and personalities.
Speaker 3: Were you worried when you started doing it at all?
Speaker 6: No, I think I was aware of it. You're pretty
Speaker 6: measured as a person. And plus I'm also very like
Speaker 6: tight with my money in general. I'm very responsible with it,
Speaker 6: so I know that I can't just go out and
Speaker 6: you know, blow it on everything.
Speaker 4: I really do think you became very a good case
Speaker 4: study because you are somebody who likes college football, college
Speaker 4: basketball occasionally NFL. I'm sure you've bet on that before too.
Speaker 4: You've never done it before, but it became legal, you
Speaker 4: decided to give it a shot. You've really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: But it's not because you're filling your pockets. It's because
Speaker 4: it's fun. It's entertainment. Yeah, and that's I think that's
Speaker 4: the majority of what people use these sports betting apps for.
Speaker 4: But you know, you know clearly there are gonna be
Speaker 4: people that get hooked on it and get addicted. But
Speaker 4: you know that that one they're going to do it
Speaker 4: even it wasn't legal here. And also you know that
Speaker 4: shouldn't make it to where people who do it responsibly,
Speaker 4: the vast majority shouldn't be able to have fun with it.
Speaker 4: All right, we'll come back, have some fun here and
Speaker 4: then tell you goodbye. Not a lot of time left
Speaker 4: here as we wrap it up here on a Friday
Speaker 4: afternoon on Sports Talk seven ninety. That's right, we're wrapping
Speaker 4: things up here on a Friday afternoon, getting out of
Speaker 4: here for the weekend. You got to be weekend plans, man.
Speaker 6: I think my wife and I are going to the
Speaker 6: Low City game to mow fill. It's a big game,
Speaker 6: trying to sell out the stadium, I believe for the
Speaker 6: first time. Sure, I think they've already sold twelve thousand tickets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big game.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: I've seen more promotion for this, for this match, what
Speaker 4: they call it match.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, this match, this.
Speaker 4: Match than I have any game for them. And they're
Speaker 4: how are they so consistently good?
Speaker 6: And it is crazy. This is their tenth year and
Speaker 6: they've never had a bad season. They've had years where
Speaker 6: they aren't as good as they're better seasons, but they've
Speaker 6: always been consistently competitive.
Speaker 4: I mean, it really is crazy to look at how
Speaker 4: consistently they've been good.
Speaker 1: And they've had different gratches too. It's not all one guy, it's.
Speaker 4: Not all one It's not like an era of a player.
Speaker 4: It's not like it. Again, you've mentioned they've had multiple
Speaker 4: different coaches that have had success like and it's it's
Speaker 4: not uncommon like it's not as if you look at
Speaker 4: their record in the you know, since existence, and say, wow,
Speaker 4: nobody's ever done that. But you have to keep in
Speaker 4: mind this was a team started out of nowhere. Like
Speaker 4: we've just been lucky. Right, there's no I mean I'm
Speaker 4: looking at their wins.
Speaker 1: I mean I believe they at the top of the
Speaker 1: standings and.
Speaker 4: They're having another really really good year, no doubt. So
Speaker 4: shout out to to lou CITYFC. A little footy action
Speaker 4: here this weekend for John. Have fun, man, have fun.
Speaker 4: I know, uh that place is going to be rocking.
Speaker 4: All Right, we're out of here, you guys, enjoy your weekend,
Speaker 4: have fun. Next week it's here college football and I'm
Speaker 4: excited again having a weekend.
Speaker 3: Everybody, take care