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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to pot Dave America. I'm John Faber, I'm John Lennont,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Toddy Etur. On today's show, we'll talk about Trump

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<v Speaker 1>declaring economic d Day against Iran, but also maybe against

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<v Speaker 1>Canada and the American people. We'll also cover jd Vance

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<v Speaker 1>as a return to the campaign trail, complete with mentions

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<v Speaker 1>of his papaw Sharia law and his friendship with Susan Collins.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a quick midterm update that includes the weird

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<v Speaker 1>meeting between Hakeem Jeffreys and Jared Kushner. The long awaited

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<v Speaker 4>Need someone to watch for Assault Lake comes back, and.

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<v Speaker 1>last big primary contest before the midterms. But first we

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<v Speaker 1>have some big news. The newest podcast joining the Crooked

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<v Speaker 1>media family is called Still Counting, hosted by Nate Silver,

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<v Speaker 1>Claire Malone, and Galen Druk. You might remember this crew

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<v Speaker 1>So each week on the pod, they're going to dig

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<v Speaker 5>Great for the audience, huge get for us, huge kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I look, Dan's Pollarcoaster is fantastic and I will continue

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to it all the time. But I need

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<v Speaker 2>a little more of a polling junkie fix. Wow, is

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<v Speaker 2>still Counting in my life? I just need more.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was going to be, but there it

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<v Speaker 3>was a yes, it was literally exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>This is pod is like is good. It's basically for

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<v Speaker 4>out of school, you know, the first hits free thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me I like keeping Dan on his toes and

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<v Speaker 1>be a little Dan.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, hey, hey, Dan, you know, prove us wrong. Prove

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<v Speaker 1>Dan.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, it's not it's not. It's not a no,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's not a yes.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not we're not We're not a full hard yes

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<v Speaker 4>on Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the yes, we Dan merge that's everywhere. New episodes

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<v Speaker 1>have still kind of drop. September ninth, Uh and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're very excited to have subscribe and Galen subscribe right away,

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<v Speaker 1>joining the fam. All right, let's start here with the news.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump continues to bankrupt America by waging war against

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<v Speaker 1>two of our greatest adversaries, Iran and Canada. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to that in a second, but first we should talk

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<v Speaker 1>about breaking news, but a third war. Trump is losing

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<v Speaker 1>against another longtime adversary he's been personally obsessed with for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's call it the fat drug. The fat drug fat

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<v Speaker 6>for fat people.

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<v Speaker 7>Anybody uses the table, don't ask.

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<v Speaker 1>And a friend of mine who's very fat told.

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<v Speaker 6>Me, and I want to tell you, you know, he

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<v Speaker 6>could be a famous guy. He's begging me not to

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<v Speaker 6>release his day.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a very highly neurotic, very fat sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>fat slab. I would drum.

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<v Speaker 4>I bought the fat drug. I said, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>you used it because.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not working and the governor is a big fat slab. Jesus,

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<v Speaker 5>we can't do that, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't call JB.

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<v Speaker 5>Pritzk or a fat pig. Please.

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<v Speaker 1>You know some people say never use the fat word,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know I would never call anybody fed.

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<v Speaker 7>I have my own problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he sure does, because here's Sunday's headline from the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post. Doctor say Trump's weight post as a significant

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<v Speaker 1>health risk. The president has gained about twenty pounds since

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<v Speaker 1>his campaign, according to his statements and those of AIDS. SO.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in June, the White House had to publicly refute

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<v Speaker 1>speculation that Trump was on an experimental new weight loss

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<v Speaker 1>drug after stat News reported that a seventy nine year

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<v Speaker 1>old man with government connections got early access to the drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the White House was telling the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it turns out that Trump is not like reckless

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<v Speaker 4>gay guys in West Hollywood buying compound versions of this

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<v Speaker 1>Is that happening, I think so?

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say for the record that Favor

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to lead with Canada and Love it

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<v Speaker 2>locked the door of our production meeting until we agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to start with the GLPS.

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<v Speaker 1>I did to start with fat, I said, deserve fat dessert.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey it's August, let's have desert for dinner, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>The cakes for the fun clearly has been.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's well, he's well called.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the moments in those videos where he hesitates

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<v Speaker 4>where he goes and this person they're fat.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to know, I uh put that super

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<v Speaker 1>cuts together myself. There was like ten more clips of

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<v Speaker 1>him just saying fat, fat slob. He tells the story

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<v Speaker 1>about the friend like fifty times.

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<v Speaker 4>One other thing to note too, is this is the

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<v Speaker 4>this is the figures that they're telling us. I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like they've been slowly trying to get the number back

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<v Speaker 4>to a real number, so he may not have gained

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<v Speaker 4>as much as they're saying. On the other hand, based

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<v Speaker 4>on the weight and height they've released, his BMI is

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<v Speaker 4>twenty nine point seven, which means if his weight was

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<v Speaker 4>one pound more, he would be technically obese, which I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sure he would not like. And so for all we know,

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<v Speaker 4>they've kind of brought that number down a pound or two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they may have been telling the truth about him

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<v Speaker 2>not being on this experimental GLP one, or it could

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<v Speaker 2>just be eaten through it.

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<v Speaker 3>It has happened before through it power.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite part of these stories though, is that as

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<v Speaker 2>they track his weight, they cite when he was arrested

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<v Speaker 2>in Georgia. When he was booked, they released that he

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<v Speaker 2>was six three two fifteen, which was John Elway's playing

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<v Speaker 2>weight when he won two super Bowls in NFL MVP.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it amazing by the way, well muscle is heavier.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it amazing by the way that we're just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of you can just say something like, oh, you remember

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<v Speaker 1>when he was arrested in Georgia because of his mugshot

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<v Speaker 1>because the president is a convicted criminal, but also gain

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<v Speaker 1>twenty pounds since twenty twenty four is an eighty year

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<v Speaker 1>old almost obese man. I don't know what even what

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Oh, what's again? He's gonna turn over a

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<v Speaker 1>new leaf right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's one to really he's one to really make

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of resolutions and try to keep them.

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<v Speaker 5>No, well done, Burger today, just the steamed fish.

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<v Speaker 2>It was also their response to this story was to

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<v Speaker 2>attack Joe Biden, who is currently recovering from cancer. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's a classy move as always from the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see the video of Trump's workout that was

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter over the weekend. No, it's actually really good. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>should roll this thing.

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<v Speaker 8>Don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>This is? This is? That is the clip I showed

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<v Speaker 1>my choulders this morning when I was laughing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, it's like, why are you watching that? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's a work thing. And He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it at work? And I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we watch clips of robots falling and then and

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<v Speaker 1>then people laugh at them, and then we laugh at it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then people watch us laugh at the videos. And

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's like, oh, I want to do that job.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good job.

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<v Speaker 9>They can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of just a point of personal privilege about the

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<v Speaker 4>Robot Olympiad that's going on the.

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<v Speaker 1>World Humanoid Robot Games in Beijing.

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<v Speaker 4>So they keep saying things like, oh, this is the

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<v Speaker 4>fastest robot, this is the fastest robot, and it's like okay,

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<v Speaker 4>but like, we have lots of robots that can go

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<v Speaker 4>very fast already. I guess they just don't have human lengths.

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<v Speaker 4>They have to have a human leg to them. Is

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<v Speaker 4>that what makes it different?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you're saying like you're saying, way way most.

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<v Speaker 5>B Yeah, we got lots of fast ship.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think it's a humanoid. The humanoid.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, it's got to be humanoid.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to kill you.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also like weird dogs and ship getting preaded around.

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<v Speaker 4>And also that open eye have every once in a

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<v Speaker 5>Now it's sorry everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna we've realized the air of our ways again

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, there's only so much we can

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<v Speaker 3>The rest of the ones cut the China. You're doing

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<v Speaker 2>They're drop kicking like six years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, so, what do you want us to do if

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<v Speaker 1>there aren't. We do have some more consequential but no

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<v Speaker 1>less absurd Trump stories. Soybean farmer Scott Bessant announced Operation

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<v Speaker 1>Economic Outcast on Monday, a series of new sanctions against

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<v Speaker 1>Iran and the threat of much larger sanctions down the

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<v Speaker 1>road that he likened to the most significant military invasion

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<v Speaker 1>of the twentieth century. But there seemed to be a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a gap between Besant's framing and the reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 10>In the Second World War, D Day mark the historic

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<v Speaker 10>beginning of a campaign with our allies to target and

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<v Speaker 10>drive the enemy from its positions, including those in third countries. Today,

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<v Speaker 10>in that same spirit, we are launching an economic onslaught

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<v Speaker 10>against Iran's financial connections around the globe.

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<v Speaker 3>Around the globe.

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<v Speaker 11>You described this as an economic D Day, but D

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<v Speaker 11>Day wasn't a threat of an invasion in the US

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<v Speaker 11>didn't give a timeline to Germany, So why not impose

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<v Speaker 11>the sanctions today?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, we are giving everyone the opportunity to remedy bad behavior.

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<v Speaker 10>Why would I want to blow up the global financial system?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Extraordinary sentence? Extraordinary sentence? Crazy?

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<v Speaker 4>That is that? I like saw that as like, what

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<v Speaker 4>what an absolute fucking doof?

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<v Speaker 5>Because it's like, what, first.

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<v Speaker 4>Of all, is that what you're threatening? Why are you

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<v Speaker 4>the good you are? We're supposed to be the good guys. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and then also if you're suggesting that the thing you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to impose is basically a global economic crisis, it

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<v Speaker 4>does signal to the people you're threatening that you're deeply

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<v Speaker 4>concerned about the risk you'd be taking, which you've consistently

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<v Speaker 4>shown yourself willing to back off of when you get

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<v Speaker 4>close to the line. Because they know that you can

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<v Speaker 4>back off right before you go through your various threats.

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<v Speaker 1>Those mulas must be terrified. Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five hundred Americans died on D Day, so you

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<v Speaker 2>know some downsides that do. Yeah, the pissy kid ever

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<v Speaker 2>calling That's why cost cup Essen calling this economic D

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<v Speaker 2>Day is so funny because I cannot overstate how mundane

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<v Speaker 2>this sanctions announcement actually was. This is just like stuff

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<v Speaker 2>they roll out all the time. For example, they try

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<v Speaker 2>to make it sound like they're sanctioning all these new sectors.

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<v Speaker 2>So they mentioned gold in the aviation sector. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at US sanctions over the years, we've been

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<v Speaker 2>sanctioning gold the sort of gold industry since twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>and the aviation sectors in two thousand and eight. So

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<v Speaker 2>this announcement today is not going to make the Iranian

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<v Speaker 2>regime the RGC kind of give up.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a lot of bluster, it's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of them trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>they do to get through the midterms. The scary thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that I think the Axios report on the sanctions

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<v Speaker 2>today mentioned that they're considering restarting the war after the

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<v Speaker 2>midterms are over. So you'll love when the wars are

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<v Speaker 2>timed with the midterms.

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<v Speaker 1>That's always well in the blowing up of the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had to dig into this because basically there

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<v Speaker 1>were two things today. There were like sanctions against sixty

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<v Speaker 1>Iran linked people, entities, vessels that, like you said, are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty mundane, very like a typical day all.

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<v Speaker 3>The time, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's the threat of Major's sanctions that would

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<v Speaker 1>blow up the global economic system, which is sanctioning any

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<v Speaker 1>country that does business with Iran China, for example, which

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<v Speaker 1>he would not take off the table, but would also

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<v Speaker 1>not mention the.

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<v Speaker 2>Only thing that would matter is secondary sanctions on China

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<v Speaker 2>to a less India, maybe Russia, maybe Turkey. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way that they're going to do a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>secondary sanctions on Chinese banks, for example, in advance of

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<v Speaker 2>the shijin Ping visit, nor do I think they would

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<v Speaker 2>do them period, because the Chinese will retaliate against us,

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<v Speaker 2>then the Iranians will ittaliate against us, and then it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be a big dust.

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<v Speaker 1>Up again, which leads you back to love It's original point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so it's just bluster, or else if it's

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<v Speaker 1>not bluster, it's blowing up the global economic financial system,

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<v Speaker 1>which I guess they don't want to do until after

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<v Speaker 1>the midterms, or maybe they'll just bomb after the midterms.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the other part of just the threat in Axios

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<v Speaker 4>about how we're going to maybe resume the military campaign

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<v Speaker 4>after the election, which, by the way, as I think

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<v Speaker 4>in part like I hope it's not true. I hope

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<v Speaker 4>they're doing politics with their own neo cons that they're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to keep in line, because this is of they're

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<v Speaker 4>not doing the retaliation that a lot of these people want.

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<v Speaker 4>They're doing sort of mid tier. They're doing sort of

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<v Speaker 4>these sort of threats of future economic sanctions. But if

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<v Speaker 4>it is a real threat, and I assume Urn will

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<v Speaker 4>have to take it as a real threat, then they

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<v Speaker 4>are telling you in advance, hey, we should conflate economic

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<v Speaker 4>activity with military activity. If you're thinking if Iran is

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<v Speaker 4>going to potentially retaliate against economic sanctions with military force,

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<v Speaker 4>one argument against it would be that it would be

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<v Speaker 4>escalating the war.

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<v Speaker 5>But the US is.

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<v Speaker 4>Promising to escalate the war potentially after the election.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>The other part of it too, so did it's just

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<v Speaker 4>in the best in op ed reannounced all this in

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<v Speaker 4>a written like like he asked a large language model

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<v Speaker 4>to write like a Victorian with a head injury. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just like over the top, ridiculous thing. But in any

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<v Speaker 4>set refers to something called Pascal's Wager, and basically he says, uh, people.

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<v Speaker 1>Working that was going to be triggering for you.

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<v Speaker 4>People working with Ran should be careful because of Pascal's wager,

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<v Speaker 4>which basically says, you can't know for sure if God

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<v Speaker 4>is real, so act as if God is real, because

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<v Speaker 4>if it is, boy, you'll wish you believed, which is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, philosophically confusing, but whatever. And so he seems

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<v Speaker 4>to be suggesting that countries may want to do a

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<v Speaker 4>deal with Iran because in the short term it's quite

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<v Speaker 4>beneficial to them, but they should be careful that even

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<v Speaker 4>though partnering with the US, per Besson's argument, has no

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<v Speaker 4>benefits whatsoever, to the point where you can't even tell

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<v Speaker 4>if the United States exists, we could exist, and if

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<v Speaker 5>That's sort of what he's.

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<v Speaker 4>That's sort of the position he's trying to direct, I guess,

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<v Speaker 4>not just to by the way, also to Korea, to

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<v Speaker 2>Someone who most recently cut a deal seemingly with the

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<v Speaker 2>you guys see that? Barry McCaffrey tweeted quote in my judgment,

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<v Speaker 2>US armed forces have probably permanently lost access.

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<v Speaker 1>To fifteen Persian golf bases.

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<v Speaker 2>Iran now poised to control access to the Gulf States,

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<v Speaker 1>for the far more dangerous adversary, Canada. The President has

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<v Speaker 1>announced fifty percent tariffs on all Canadian cars, trucks, autoparts,

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<v Speaker 1>and deal starting January first, again after the midterms, because

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<v Speaker 1>he believes the country has been quote ripping off the

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<v Speaker 1>United States for years. He also announced that quote Canada

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<v Speaker 1>will be treated like a state no longer, and threatened

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<v Speaker 1>quote someone should get these clowns to fall in line

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<v Speaker 1>or the consequences for Canada will be far worse. This

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<v Speaker 1>all comes after trade negotiations with our once closest ally

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<v Speaker 1>fell apart Friday night, which led to Trump slapping fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent tariffs on twenty billion dollars of Canadian exports. Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister Mark Karney's response was that the US attacked his

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<v Speaker 1>country and is now at war with Canada. He promised

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<v Speaker 1>to retaliate dollar for dollar. On September eighth, Jade Vance

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<v Speaker 1>was asked by a reporter in Maine on Monday what

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<v Speaker 1>he'd say to Americans worried about the new tariffs. And

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<v Speaker 1>here's what Van said.

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<v Speaker 9>We have to remember, Canada is a state, s all right,

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<v Speaker 9>Freudian slid that was actually an accident. Canada is a

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<v Speaker 9>country that has underinvested in its military that quite literally

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<v Speaker 9>would get invaded by a foreign country were it not

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<v Speaker 9>for the umbrella of protection provided by the United States

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<v Speaker 9>of America.

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<v Speaker 1>You think you got that joke from Rubio the big

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<v Speaker 1>the jokes during the administration that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was so canned Freudian slip.

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<v Speaker 5>Canada is a country not it's really suck.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the like politics can be confusing and complicated. The president,

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<v Speaker 4>someone who comes out of a presdential campaign, usually doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>make you uncomfortable every single second you see him on screen,

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<v Speaker 4>just every time he is speaking, you're just like a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit, I'm just uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>Uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Four your weapon unleashed. They finally unleased JD events in

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<v Speaker 1>the campaign trail again.

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<v Speaker 5>Let JDBJD. They wrote on a napkin.

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<v Speaker 1>So for reference, Canada is our second biggest trading partner,

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<v Speaker 1>which means a lot more products are about to become

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more expensive for Americans and Canadians. Anyone care

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<v Speaker 1>to explain why the president may have just blow up

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship with our closest ally and made life more

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<v Speaker 1>expensive for everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>I can try.

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<v Speaker 2>If Trump is mad that Canada has been rivving us

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<v Speaker 2>off for years, he is mad at his own team's

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<v Speaker 2>deal that they cut the USMCA.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what we're operating under.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard a couple of different theories for why the

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<v Speaker 2>talks blew up. The first theory you hear is that

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<v Speaker 2>the US try to insert some eleventh hour provisions to

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<v Speaker 2>the deal that were just a bridge too far for

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Karney, the Prime Minister. Some of the specifically, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like they wanted to exclude medium like trucks from the

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<v Speaker 2>reduction in tariffs the US did, which would have made

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<v Speaker 2>it unprofitable to produce like the four f one fifty

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<v Speaker 2>in Canada. The deal could have weakened some French language

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<v Speaker 2>protections that.

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<v Speaker 3>Are very important in Quebec.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, thing, this is like a third rail, like you

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<v Speaker 2>do not fuck with this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But also why did we ask for that?

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<v Speaker 4>It's not of our fucking business with the by language,

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<v Speaker 4>the bilingual labels.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure like certain companies hate having to print stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in French on the side of a pill bottle. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's stupid.

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<v Speaker 4>It's that if you want to sell in Quebec, you

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<v Speaker 4>got to put in the French.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to And if Carney messes around with this,

496
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<v Speaker 2>Quebec will seceed from Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there were some provisions that would have repeated

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<v Speaker 2>Canada's ability to cut trade deals with other countries. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really understand that one. There's also a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a personnel argument that you hear.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also the big one was also they wanted exclusive access.

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<v Speaker 1>We wanted exclusive access to their critical minerals.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Carney was like, Canada would never give that to anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy talking about never keeping it open.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, open relationship with our critical men.

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<v Speaker 5>With our tungsten.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also reports that the US trade rap Jameson Grier

510
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<v Speaker 2>was like professional and you know, he speaks French like

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<v Speaker 2>he's like a pro to work on.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Nick came in at the end, the Commerce secretary,

513
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<v Speaker 3>you speak gay, what's he saying? And Lutnick got involved

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<v Speaker 3>in negotiations. They went to shit.

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<v Speaker 12>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the politics of it all, which which

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<v Speaker 2>the political reality at this point for Mark Karney is

518
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<v Speaker 2>the politics of fighting Trump are so much better than

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<v Speaker 2>cutting a deal. That requires you to make concessions and

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<v Speaker 2>then going to and having to explain that because voters

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<v Speaker 2>in Canada remember the whole fifty first state thing. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's funny. They haven't forgotten events, and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't trust Trump. They think that he's going to tear

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<v Speaker 2>up any trade deal that they signed in a year,

525
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<v Speaker 2>and the Canadian nationalism has been kicked up in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that's been really durable. Like a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 2>was in Canada the other day watching TV and the

528
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<v Speaker 2>commercials would be like Lay's Potato chips with potatoes grown

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<v Speaker 2>proudly in Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like, you know, it's like an ongoing thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the other thing for Carney is like all

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons Canadians might oppose this deal vary by region.

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<v Speaker 2>So like in Ontario it's the auto industry. In Quebec,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the cultural stuff about the French language. In other

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the country it's like lumber provisions, and like

536
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<v Speaker 2>stitching that all together is a pain in the ass.

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<v Speaker 2>So for him, he's like, you made it easy for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I get just to punch you in the face

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<v Speaker 2>with my sixty percent approval rating you being weak. Donald

540
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<v Speaker 2>Trump and going into your midterms where you're likely to lose,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think Carney thinks it's worth the risk.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean he's not asking to reopen the talks Carney,

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<v Speaker 1>probably for those political reasons.

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<v Speaker 4>Well also because he gave a speech where he said,

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<v Speaker 4>I am outlining a new approach for countries, media, countries

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<v Speaker 4>that are kind of in between these sort of great

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<v Speaker 4>powers that are battling, and it is that we can

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<v Speaker 4>find a way to stitch together these other kinds of

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<v Speaker 4>arrangements without conceding, without giving up. And he can if

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<v Speaker 4>he means that, and I do, I do he means

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<v Speaker 4>it's inin Serreal. I don't think it'sress politics. He has

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<v Speaker 4>to prove it in his own negotiations. He can't signal

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<v Speaker 4>to Europe that they need to stand up to Donald

554
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<v Speaker 4>Trump and then when he's faced with that himself be capitulates.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the Canadian reciprocal tariffs I think going to

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<v Speaker 2>place September eighth, Trump was like, ours will go into

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<v Speaker 2>place in January, which is already him kind of you know, caving.

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<v Speaker 3>Well or at least blinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, we just talked about Iran, right, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that is the axios story right, like they might restart

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<v Speaker 1>the war after the midterms, or you know, the the

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<v Speaker 1>sanctions for the trading partners with Iran or anyone doing

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<v Speaker 1>business with Iran. Is we're threatening that, you know, past

564
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<v Speaker 1>the midterms, right, and now we're doing the Canadian tariffs

565
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<v Speaker 1>past the mid terms, at least on the auto parts.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is going to set an interesting dynamic, which

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<v Speaker 1>is it seems right now like the White House is like, Okay, well,

568
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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to at least some people in the

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<v Speaker 1>White House, we don't want to fuck ourselves for the

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<v Speaker 1>midterms too hard, So maybe we can delay this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>till after the midterms. But if they it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>whether they lose or do better than expected in the midterms,

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<v Speaker 1>they still want to do all this damage after the midterms,

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<v Speaker 1>which will set up an interesting dynamic for the twenty

575
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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight primary in which jd Vance we just heard

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<v Speaker 1>from presumably is going to want to run for president

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe Mark Ruby or whoever else and now have

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with the fucking bigger mess that the administration

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<v Speaker 1>seems like they're planning to cause.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I also, before you even get to twenty twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 4>take Trump at his word, like there are a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people running.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to get to Susan Collins.

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump is saying I am going to put in

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<v Speaker 4>place a giant tax increase on January first on Americans.

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<v Speaker 4>Because Congress will not pull back the authority it has

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<v Speaker 4>vested in Trump to do terrorists without congressional approval. Congress

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<v Speaker 4>has the power to vent those taxes increases from going

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<v Speaker 4>into effect. Like that, you know, seems to me a

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<v Speaker 4>pretty big issue that people could.

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<v Speaker 3>Be talking about about what happens.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, obviously Trump is the ability to veto, but

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<v Speaker 4>it would be nice to get people on record about

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<v Speaker 4>where they stand on him doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think they're all going to run on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, in Michigan, obviously the auto industry is like

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest fight they're going to have. So I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>Abduls I know Abduls all over this. In Iowa, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>impact John Deere, which is an important industry there, but

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<v Speaker 2>also farmers who sell agg products into Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>In Maine, it's all about lumber.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think there's a bigger question of like we

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<v Speaker 2>know Trump loves tariffs, but we don't really know why,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like Jamison Greer seems to want to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of reorder the manufacturing business and bring it all back

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<v Speaker 2>to the US from China, and I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people support that. Scott Beson seems to think that

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs are a way to collect revenue and just make

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<v Speaker 2>money for the government. Then there's another group that just

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<v Speaker 2>seems to think they're a way to bully other countries

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<v Speaker 2>and get them to do whatever you want about whatever issue.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of it seems like where Trump kind

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<v Speaker 2>of lands on this.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume he is more interested in looking tough and

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<v Speaker 2>looking like he beat up Mark Carney than he is

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<v Speaker 2>in getting some extra milk into you know, a Canadian.

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<v Speaker 4>Visaon one more, But there's the other I think, and

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<v Speaker 4>Vance has sometimes slirted with this is that you accept

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<v Speaker 4>lower growth and the cost of tariffs because you reorder

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<v Speaker 4>the economy around old school manufacturing, which where the jobs

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<v Speaker 4>for men. And even though you give up service jobs growth,

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<v Speaker 4>you give up all the benefits of a modern globalized economy.

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<v Speaker 4>It like it creates a It is more about the

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<v Speaker 4>kind of old school values of a kind of work

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<v Speaker 4>we used to vout, we used as a society view is.

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<v Speaker 1>Important but even though that aside, it is hard to

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<v Speaker 1>overestimate what a dumb, fucking political move this is the

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<v Speaker 1>number one issue for voters across the political spectrum is

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of living. Everything's too expensive, and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>just think it's a bad economy. They know they blame

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<v Speaker 1>Trump for it, and specifically the blamed Trump's tariffs for it,

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<v Speaker 1>like it is maybe his one of his most unpopular policies,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly his most unpopular economic policy over the last several years.

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<v Speaker 1>And now he is doubling down on it, if not

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<v Speaker 1>in fact in a threat, at least before the midterms.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are going to be headlines about tariffs before

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<v Speaker 1>the midterms. And of course he's already levied tariffs on

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<v Speaker 1>twenty billion dollars worth of Canadian goods, so that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that'll have an effect on things. So people

642
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>are still pissed at the tariffs that he's slapped on

643
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 1>everything before this. Now there's headlines about more tariffs and

644
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.839
<v Speaker 1>we are sixty something days out from the midterms. It's

645
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>fucking nuts, not smart, Okay, So let's talk midterms. One

646
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>person noticeably absent from Vance's event in Maine was Susan Collins.

647
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<v Speaker 1>This is the second time she skipped out on a

648
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 1>vance event in Maine this year. Though I'm sure she

649
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.359
<v Speaker 1>was thrilled that the Vice President told the crowd in

650
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:56.319
<v Speaker 1>that speech that Susan Collins is a quote dear friend

651
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 1>who has been to his house quote probably a half

652
00:29:58.640 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>dozen times.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not a dear friend. Sorry.

654
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Collins has been trying to convince voters that she hasn't

655
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 1>become a rubber stamp for Trump, despite voting with him

656
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>ninety five percent of the time. The latest move was

657
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a statement asking the President to quote consider the negative

658
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 1>impacts his trade war with Canada would have on maners.

659
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 1>On the Democratic side, things have been relatively quiet since

660
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Troy Jackson locked up the nomination to replace Graham Plattner

661
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.759
<v Speaker 1>on the November ballot, but Jackson's campaign is beginning to

662
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>heat up, finally getting on TV this weekend with this

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<v Speaker 1>great thirty second spot featuring Jackson's mother.

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<v Speaker 12>Troy was born to two teenage parents, and we struggled

665
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:37.640
<v Speaker 12>a lot.

666
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.119
<v Speaker 7>He didn't use that as an excuse.

667
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 12>He used that as fuel to make things better for

668
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 12>other people. Troy never talks about what he's done, but

669
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.319
<v Speaker 12>somebody will come up to me in the grocery store

670
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.519
<v Speaker 12>or someplace in town, and they'll say, Troy helped me

671
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 12>get a sewer. If Troy helped me, help me get

672
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.319
<v Speaker 12>my mother into a nursing home. If you need help,

673
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:58.759
<v Speaker 12>he's going to be there for you. That is That's

674
00:30:58.799 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 12>who he is.

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00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Troy Jackson. This is my mom, and I approved this message.

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00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>What do you guys make of the Jackson campaign so far?

677
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>And do you think he's doing enough to nationalize the

678
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>race so that it is about a vote for Trump

679
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 1>versus a check on Trump.

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00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 5>So there was this ad.

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<v Speaker 4>There was another ad or video he filmed just sort

682
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.000
<v Speaker 4>of sitting on a stoop talking about Elon Musk jumping

683
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:22.720
<v Speaker 4>money in the state.

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00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.079
<v Speaker 5>There's a there's another.

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00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 3>The crotch mog shot.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it was very it was very im shot

687
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 4>from below for sure. I didn't notice that time he

688
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 4>noticed that, but I.

689
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Thought it was innovative.

690
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:34.519
<v Speaker 5>It was good.

691
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:34.960
<v Speaker 3>It was good.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we've used that technique here at BYASE America,

693
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.640
<v Speaker 4>but the U sometimes against without our consent. Well, look

694
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 4>at the video like that's hey, guys, that's three crotches.

695
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<v Speaker 1>But and then alternate name for the podcast.

696
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then there's others where he'd sort of say, like,

697
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<v Speaker 4>according to our our enemies, but I say, let our

698
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.920
<v Speaker 4>haters be our motivators. But the uh And that's what

699
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:56.960
<v Speaker 4>Troy Jackson said as well on that ad. But but

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<v Speaker 4>he also is doing a lot of like like kind

701
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 4>of he the act the accent is the accent, and

702
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:03.920
<v Speaker 4>he's like, look, I don't care if I don't give

703
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 4>a damn if you're I'm not going to do the accent.

704
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<v Speaker 4>But Democrat or Republican, like I just we just want

705
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 4>to get these good things done for people. So there

706
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 4>is a war right now because he is coming into

707
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.359
<v Speaker 4>the campaign late, kind of introducing himself. And as he's

708
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 4>doing that right like as much as they'd want to

709
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 4>nationalize the race, Republican groups are dumping millions of dollars

710
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 4>into May, calling him like a dirty politician and kind

711
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:22.839
<v Speaker 4>of trying to define him negatively.

712
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 5>So I don't know what the mix should be.

713
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:26.920
<v Speaker 4>I think he's trying to fight a ward to find

714
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.599
<v Speaker 4>himself because he came in so late. Part of it

715
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 4>is all the attention, like the national media should probably

716
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:35.640
<v Speaker 4>help nationalize this race a bit, because people boy, a

717
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.559
<v Speaker 4>lot of people stopped caring about Maine once it stopped

718
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.319
<v Speaker 4>being about Democrat on Democrat and started being about a

719
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 4>Democrat versus Susan Collins.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that ad was good as a good biospot,

722
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 2>but it's definitely an older version of politics, more parochial

723
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:49.799
<v Speaker 2>version of politics. It's like he helped me get a

724
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.039
<v Speaker 2>sewer in my community. That's not nationalizing it. That's not

725
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>making it about rubber stamping the Donald Trump agenda. I'm

726
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 2>nervous about this race. I mean, like shout out to

727
00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.759
<v Speaker 2>the main Democratic Party and Troy Jackson for like turning

728
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:02.799
<v Speaker 2>this think from platnir to his race so quickly. That's

729
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 2>genuinely impressive. I think it was like literally a month

730
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 2>ago right where he accepted the moumination. I do think

731
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.319
<v Speaker 2>that does. I do think, you know, they need to

732
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.519
<v Speaker 2>go on offense every day. I mean, Jadvan's visiting name

733
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 2>is a gift to the Jackson campaign. I saw that

734
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.519
<v Speaker 2>he was highlighting Vance, calling Collins his dear friend on

735
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>his Twitter feed. I hope they're doing more with that.

736
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.160
<v Speaker 2>The Canada trade war is a huge opportunity for Troy Jackson.

737
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Like Troy Jackson's political career started because he led a

738
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>group of loggers to the border of Canada and blockaded

739
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:37.559
<v Speaker 2>the road to protect Maine loggers from getting their jobs

740
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>stolen from them.

741
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<v Speaker 1>Where he's from. He's from Aroosta County, which is like

742
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.759
<v Speaker 1>the border county between Maine and Canada. Like he should,

743
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>he could go there today and speaking of nationalizing the

744
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>race and explain what a fifty percent tariff does to

745
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a logging down right.

746
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Some Canadian premiers, we're talking about blocking electricity to America

747
00:33:57.319 --> 00:33:58.039
<v Speaker 2>from Canada.

748
00:33:58.599 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 3>If that happened to me, and it would hurt them

749
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 3>a lot. They get a lot of electricity from me.

750
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 5>And people love electricity in Maine.

751
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:05.880
<v Speaker 4>I know I've seen a lot of pulling on it,

752
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 4>but my sense of it in Maine is that they're

753
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 4>just stands of electricity.

754
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Data Center's bad, electricity good.

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00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:12.360
<v Speaker 5>You know what you think about hundred.

756
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:13.559
<v Speaker 4>Of zero, but I think its probably ninety five five

757
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 4>because everything is. But yeah, they're pretty pro electricity up there. Yeah.

758
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Uh an ongoing disaster. Collins does not do anything to

759
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.480
<v Speaker 2>stop the war. Ice is hugely controversial. Sudent Collins gave

760
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:24.519
<v Speaker 2>a terrible interview the other day.

761
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:26.519
<v Speaker 3>She was asked. She was asked by someone she got

762
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 3>like doors.

763
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Stopped at the elevator and the Senate and was like,

764
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.559
<v Speaker 2>why did you vote to send seventy billion to Ice?

765
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And she was like it was for body cameras. It's

766
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.079
<v Speaker 2>like that they never turn on when they're killing American.

767
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>So there's there's a lot of opportunity there for Troy

768
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Deaction to make the campaign about Collins as a rubber

769
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 2>stand for Trump. There's also this concerning report that Elon

770
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Musk is preparing to spend one hundred million dollars on

771
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:50.440
<v Speaker 2>the midterms and a lot of that will be focused

772
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>on Maine.

773
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 1>So we don't know where.

774
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<v Speaker 2>That's going to go, but maybe you could jiu jitsu

775
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.920
<v Speaker 2>that back on Collins. We'll see, but you started to

776
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.280
<v Speaker 2>do I'd like to see a little more. You know,

777
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:58.599
<v Speaker 2>we got to be aggressive, We got to make it.

778
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>About her, especially in this rate because like you look

779
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 1>at all the polling, and this has been true since

780
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Plattner is in the race, still true today. Maine does

781
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 1>not like Donald Trump. Maine is not happy with Donald Trump.

782
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Majorities of voters if they were going to go to

783
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.159
<v Speaker 1>the polls, they would vote against Donald Trump, and they

784
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>did in twenty twenty four, they voted for Kamala Harris.

785
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>And so the way Susan Collins gets elected here is

786
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.519
<v Speaker 1>and it's a little different from the other races. They're

787
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.840
<v Speaker 1>going to try to disqualify Troy Jackson. But the real

788
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.280
<v Speaker 1>emphasis in why the White House is going to like

789
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:33.639
<v Speaker 1>let her criticize them is showing that Susan Collins is

790
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>some kind of an independent voice, right, and so she

791
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.079
<v Speaker 1>wins if enough voters are like, I really don't like

792
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>what Trump's doing, but I don't really know him, and

793
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.039
<v Speaker 1>she's actually delivered from Maine and she's kind of like

794
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>an independent voice, and she came out against these tariffs.

795
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I just heard her say that, you know, And so like,

796
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.519
<v Speaker 1>the only way to win this race is to tie

797
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.599
<v Speaker 1>her to Donald Trump as closely as possible and make

798
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.559
<v Speaker 1>and nationalize this race in every way possible. And I

799
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>think Troy Jackson like has to do that. And that

800
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<v Speaker 1>was Look, that was the criticism of Platner, one of

801
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 1>many like after he wrapped up the nomination, as people

802
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 1>were like, Oh, he's going after Susan Collins too hard

803
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.280
<v Speaker 1>on being corrupt and everything else and being part of

804
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>an establishment in Washington, and he's not tying her to

805
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump enough and that was fair criticism. But like

806
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.400
<v Speaker 1>that's now that's what Troy Jackson has to do as well.

807
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>He has to tie her Donald Trump.

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00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:28.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just I'm just, I am you have to

809
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 5>do that.

810
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.920
<v Speaker 4>While part of their strategy is to try to define

811
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.239
<v Speaker 4>Troy Jackson as unacceptable or corrupt or worse in some way,

812
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.599
<v Speaker 4>and he's unknown and part and you know, I'm sure

813
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 4>people have in the back of their minds that Democrats

814
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:42.920
<v Speaker 4>went through this bruising primary with sort of these like

815
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.320
<v Speaker 4>unsavory figure in the end, and like that he's trd

816
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.199
<v Speaker 4>with that. So I'm sure it's like a difficult balance

817
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:48.960
<v Speaker 4>of trying to figure out how to just get people

818
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 4>over the line of like knowing who you are that

819
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.559
<v Speaker 4>you're okay to vote it instead of you know, stable,

820
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:56.559
<v Speaker 4>reliable Susan Collins. So like that's I'm sure that's part

821
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 4>of what we're seeing in the ads. And the question

822
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 4>is how do you make moments when there's a nation,

823
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.880
<v Speaker 4>when jd Vance is there, when there's a tariff thing.

824
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<v Speaker 4>While also understanding probably has to do some work to

825
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 4>counteract what will be a deluge.

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<v Speaker 1>About him, I do think that ninety five percent number.

827
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>She voted with Trump ninety five percent of the time.

828
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<v Speaker 1>It sort of reminds me of what we did to

829
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.800
<v Speaker 1>McCain and O eight. Right, there's a senator who was

830
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.639
<v Speaker 1>seen as more independent, a maverick, and all we did

831
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 1>for the three four months of the general election was

832
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 1>be like, this guy voted for George voted with George

833
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Bush ninety something percent of the time. I can't remember now.

834
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

835
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Jdvans tried to get ahead of that by being like

836
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes she annoys me by being so independent. What

837
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a subtle line, Jack, I know, I know away.

838
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.679
<v Speaker 1>It's very obvious.

839
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:38.079
<v Speaker 5>What's he doing in Maine?

840
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.360
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's like she like he's campaigning for her

841
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 4>again that she can't show up, and she.

842
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:42.679
<v Speaker 5>Can't show up.

843
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 3>It's all a little bit like.

844
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<v Speaker 1>It's only Danage. Only the page showed up the Republican

845
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.639
<v Speaker 1>nominee for the main second district, not even the gubernatorial

846
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.199
<v Speaker 1>nomine showed up right, Republican side for JD. Vance, So

847
00:37:52.480 --> 00:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>he's popular. Positive America is brought to you by Helix.

848
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about you, but sleep is the most

849
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 2>important thing in my life besides my family.

850
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 3>A really good chance that they are very connected.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you John for seeing me I get a good

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00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 2>night's sleep having a great day. If I got a

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00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:18.079
<v Speaker 2>bad night's sleep, I am almost guaranteed to have a

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<v Speaker 1>recently weighed in on the Michigan Senate race during a

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<v Speaker 1>visit to his hometown in Ohio. Here's what he had

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<v Speaker 1>to say about Democratic candidate Abdul l Sayed.

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<v Speaker 9>Now right, el say ed this guy running for Senate

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<v Speaker 9>in Michigan. He once argued not too long ago that

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<v Speaker 9>criticisms of sharia law were rooted in white supremacy. I'd

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<v Speaker 9>love to go back in time and tell my papal

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<v Speaker 9>that there's a man who claims to stand for working

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<v Speaker 9>people who says, not only should we have Sharia law,

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<v Speaker 9>but if you criticize it, you're a white supremacist. That's

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<v Speaker 9>not my Papal's Democrat party, my friends.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not my pap paus Democrat party, my friends, just

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<v Speaker 4>a just a collection of real, authentic people in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Also to notice how he just just kind of got

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Not only does he think we should have

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<v Speaker 1>Sharia law? Like, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>I know?

920
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<v Speaker 2>I was like, he makes Abdul's name sound weird like Elsayed,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like my p pop.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I said pop Plot earlier. Are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different names. Yeah. So Abdul responded on ms NOW

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<v Speaker 1>by pointing out the Advance was cherry picking who gets

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<v Speaker 1>to be defined as American and distracting from the issues.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of that response? And in general, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the best way for Abdul to handle all

928
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<v Speaker 1>of these islamophobic attacks from people like Vance, from people

929
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<v Speaker 1>like Mike Rodgers. I've seen a lot of them are

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<v Speaker 1>just like not even like thinly veiled lies, like very

931
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<v Speaker 1>obvious lies like who he just loves shari a law?

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<v Speaker 4>He loves like this is where advance to. It's he

933
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<v Speaker 4>kind of performs as like the sophisticated version of Trump,

934
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<v Speaker 4>And there's.

935
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<v Speaker 5>Like a way in which you take his rhetoric and you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can find some shred that they can call it the

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<v Speaker 4>truth somehow. But then it'll go back to the eating

938
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<v Speaker 4>the cats and they're eating the.

939
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<v Speaker 5>Dogs, or I'll go there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like he wants shari a law, which is just

941
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<v Speaker 4>just just a lie, just just lying to people. I

942
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<v Speaker 4>think he's doing, like I don't know what a more

943
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<v Speaker 4>defiant or direct version of what he's already been saying

944
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<v Speaker 4>sounds like, but like you can just say what this is. Uh,

945
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<v Speaker 4>if this election is a referendum on Trump's policies and

946
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<v Speaker 4>whether people want in the Senate he rubber stamp for

947
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<v Speaker 4>what Trump will do, then Mike Rodgers will lose. And

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<v Speaker 4>everything about what Republicans are doing is going to be

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<v Speaker 4>to try to hide that or or muddy that or

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<v Speaker 4>make noise around that. And if this is an election

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<v Speaker 4>about about healthcare, about jobs, about someone looking out for

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<v Speaker 4>the middle class in Michigan, about someone who will actually

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<v Speaker 4>kind of go to the Senate to advocate on behalf

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<v Speaker 4>of people in Michigan as opposed to for Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever that or or or kind of siding with

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<v Speaker 4>the corporations that are trying to kind of cut their

957
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<v Speaker 4>taxes even more deregulate. Uh, that's what the race is about.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the obdoable when they know.

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<v Speaker 1>That Popov versus Sharia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his his response to JD was like Calden boring,

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<v Speaker 2>which I like, just not equivocally true. He made a

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<v Speaker 2>line about Peter Teele, which I don't know that most

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<v Speaker 2>people get. Like MS NOW viewers probably get it because

964
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<v Speaker 2>we're all political junkies, but most folks don't. And then

965
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<v Speaker 2>you want to do this thing about how well you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think Jade Vance looks his wife's parents in

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<v Speaker 2>the eye and tells them that they are not real

968
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<v Speaker 2>Americans referencing Usha Vance.

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<v Speaker 3>And again it's like, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A good point that I'm not totally sure everyone would understand.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also a point you could make about Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and Milania, by the way, because her parents are not

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<v Speaker 2>born in the United States. I did like, there's the

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<v Speaker 2>this is a distraction thing. I think that is true

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<v Speaker 2>and it's valuable. I did wonder if it's missing a

976
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<v Speaker 2>beat that just kind of like undercuts the suggestion that

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<v Speaker 2>he's an extremist. It's like JD, I played fucking college lacrosse.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the most like Sharia compliant activity or something

979
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<v Speaker 2>like something that just get that, like, I love America,

980
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<v Speaker 2>I'm an American, I grew up playing high school football.

981
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<v Speaker 2>I'm from Michigan. My name is of Duel, I'm a doctor,

982
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<v Speaker 2>I'm a union member. Like enough of this fear mongering crap.

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<v Speaker 5>And he does that.

984
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<v Speaker 4>He says like I'm a dual from I've always been

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<v Speaker 4>Abdul from Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also, yeah, distraction is sort of the right ballpark,

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<v Speaker 1>but you got to kind of put a finer point

988
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<v Speaker 1>on it by being like, like every answer has to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to Mike Rogers at this point, and like

990
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<v Speaker 1>Mike Rogers and Jade Vans and all these people, they're

991
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<v Speaker 1>saying all the shit because they have nothing to say

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<v Speaker 1>about why everything's so expensive in Michigan. They have nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to say about what a disaster Donald Trump has been

994
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<v Speaker 1>from Michigan over the last four years. And like they

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<v Speaker 1>so they're just gonna make this entire race about Sharia

996
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<v Speaker 1>law and Hassan Piker and all this other bullshit because

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<v Speaker 1>they have nothing else to say about anything that you

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<v Speaker 1>care about, you know, and I think that like he's

999
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<v Speaker 1>and Mike and they may know that it's a pretty

1000
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<v Speaker 1>weak argument that Mike Rodgers is just going to go

1001
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<v Speaker 1>to the fucking Senate and have another another two years

1002
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<v Speaker 1>of doing whatever Donald Trump tells him to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the thing about the usha point is like, so

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<v Speaker 4>he's a hypocrite, right, right, And like it's like it's

1005
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<v Speaker 4>just this is sometimes it's just like hey, like stop,

1006
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<v Speaker 4>you're not gonna win on points.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like like that's a logical.

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<v Speaker 4>Argument about how you should like what he's racist towards you,

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<v Speaker 4>but not towards his wife. Like I don't like, it's

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<v Speaker 4>sort it's it is beside the point and just sort

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<v Speaker 4>of done with sort of hypocrisy arguments are kind of

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<v Speaker 4>well what about this?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Well it's luring and their their goal is

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of lure you into an argument about identity

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<v Speaker 1>and culture and race. Right. This is like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie tweeted today too, like well, you know you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about us on Piker, but you know, Jake Laying is

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<v Speaker 1>in Michigan the January sixth Rioter, and he's got a

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<v Speaker 1>connection to Mike Rodgers, which is is true, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Mike Rodgers is like, well, I'll disavow him.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll disavow Jake Lane, but also will Abdul disavowed Piker.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're like in a back and forth about you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, disavow off.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's a classic disavow off.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Lamer is like a mayor's bet on a

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<v Speaker 2>sports game.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's there is something about that, like.

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<v Speaker 3>The other side of it, right, Oh, were this these

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<v Speaker 3>steaks from Chicago, Philly whatever?

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't listening.

1031
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<v Speaker 3>I was waiting for my turn to talk.

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<v Speaker 4>What I was trying to What I was gonna say

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<v Speaker 4>is yes, there's like the tit for tat for how

1034
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<v Speaker 4>you respond to these things, right, and and then there's

1035
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<v Speaker 4>sort of the proactive rhetoric, whether it's in responding to

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<v Speaker 4>the song Piker thing, which he did, right, he's not

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<v Speaker 4>just ignoring it, he is responding to it. And then

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<v Speaker 4>what you were doing proactively to address those kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 4>And I will say, like I read the statement he

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<v Speaker 4>put out in response to the backlash to a comment

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<v Speaker 4>from Hassan Piker from his fucking stream because we've all

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<v Speaker 4>decided that Hassan Piker is the main character in American politics.

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<v Speaker 4>You have Fox News on He's there's every third figure.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just it's Hassan Trump and then just a socialist

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<v Speaker 4>that choice in at random basically maybe a trans swimmer.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll get in there, but that's it. That's what's on

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<v Speaker 4>Fox News.

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<v Speaker 1>And so like his respite well is also in the

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<v Speaker 1>third way, and some other Democrats and and DSA people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of people are invested in making his

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<v Speaker 1>on the main character of the binterms.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you look at that statement, it like, I

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<v Speaker 4>think all the sentiment inside of the statement is good,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's very like it's very careful, right, it's very

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<v Speaker 4>careful statement and not like that there needs to be

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<v Speaker 4>if he's going like if he's trying to prove to

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<v Speaker 4>the Jewish voters in Michigan that he would like to

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<v Speaker 4>come home despite having had thirty or sixty million, sixty

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<v Speaker 4>million dollars with ads dumped on his head, then like

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<v Speaker 4>the same language that he would use the defiant language

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<v Speaker 4>about saying this is why we need medicare for all,

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<v Speaker 4>or like this is why we need to take on

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<v Speaker 4>the corporations. Like that level of defiance is certainly welcome

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<v Speaker 4>in describing anti Semitism, right, It like like it's a

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<v Speaker 4>very it's a very kind of careful language as opposed

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<v Speaker 4>to something that's just like this is more more in

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00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:57.800
<v Speaker 4>the style that he's using on every other issue.

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<v Speaker 5>That's all.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also some interesting news about Roger. Over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>ACTS reported that allies of Rogers asked APAC to rethink

1071
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 1>their involvement in the Michigan general election, urging the group

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<v Speaker 1>to quote get involved without putting the group's name front

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<v Speaker 1>and center. The New York Times followed up with reporting

1074
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<v Speaker 1>of their own, noting that quote, a PAC leaders have

1075
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.639
<v Speaker 1>privately voiced unease with a plan that makes APACK a peer,

1076
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:21.960
<v Speaker 1>as if it is hiding. None of this has stopped

1077
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Rogers from fundraising with APAK. He attended three APAC fund

1078
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.000
<v Speaker 1>raisers in LA over the weekend and a fourth on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you guys make of the request from the

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers camp?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it tells you a lot about

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00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.679
<v Speaker 2>how toxic the APAC brand has become politically. I think

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00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.559
<v Speaker 2>ultimately what they're doing there is saying just don't spend

1084
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.280
<v Speaker 2>on your own behalf, funnel your money to some other

1085
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.400
<v Speaker 2>superpack and have them spend it for you, which is

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00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.800
<v Speaker 2>what APAC will probably do, although it does make APAC

1087
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:49.360
<v Speaker 2>look incredibly weak if they can't even run ads, although

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00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:51.119
<v Speaker 2>they normally don't run ads in.

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00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:51.760
<v Speaker 3>A general election.

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<v Speaker 2>They usually just screw around in Democratic primaries taking out progressives,

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00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>so this is new for them, but it's a punch

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<v Speaker 2>in the gut.

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00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 4>But also a Pack has run tons of ads under

1094
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 4>the names of other organizations and not Their ads during

1095
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:08.679
<v Speaker 4>this primary had nothing to do with Israel at all.

1096
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:11.559
<v Speaker 4>They were about sort of acchoosing him, of being anti

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00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 4>women and other things like that. So like they already

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<v Speaker 4>are running a campaign which at least for most people

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00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.639
<v Speaker 4>that are trying to kind of make it about other

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<v Speaker 4>issues and not about a PAC.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like they wanted the headline the Rogers campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted a headline out there to say that they

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<v Speaker 1>are resisting a pack because they know that it's toxic.

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<v Speaker 1>Right like that, I think that, I'm sure the ones

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00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:32.079
<v Speaker 1>that leaked it.

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<v Speaker 5>That that is good.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess like the politics are a little simpler for

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00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.519
<v Speaker 4>a Republican and a Democrat, right Like, I don't totally

1109
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:39.920
<v Speaker 4>understand why he wouldn't want.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because I think that it has become so

1111
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>toxic that it is not just toxic in a Democratic

1112
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.039
<v Speaker 1>primary now, but APAC is toxic in a general election.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, right, I guess I guess I want to understand

1114
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.239
<v Speaker 4>is who are the voters. I guess there are there

1115
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.679
<v Speaker 4>are some Republican voters might just stay home, right because

1116
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.039
<v Speaker 4>any right that are.

1117
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Like independents, spe voters, a pack is extremely unpopular with

1118
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 1>independent butvoters. So, but I think it's I think, you know,

1119
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<v Speaker 1>the important thing is he's still doing fundraisers with them,

1120
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:08.199
<v Speaker 1>like he's talking. It's it's a double hit because he

1121
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>is he's still allied with APAC and doing fundraisers, but

1122
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>he's and he's also talking out both sides of his mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>He just wants them to hide the spending.

1124
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.840
<v Speaker 5>I mean, he wants the wants.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants UDP to cut a thirty million dollar check

1126
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<v Speaker 2>to name your fake you know, like the cryptic fair

1127
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Shake I'm crypto fund or whatever it is, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Have them run the ads.

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<v Speaker 1>The Times had another piece this weekend uh with the

1130
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<v Speaker 1>with the headline Angry Ohio voters could turn their state

1131
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Purple Again, which details how Ohio's frustrations over data centers,

1132
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 1>rising prices, the war and around could put not just

1133
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<v Speaker 1>the Senate seat, but the governor's race and a series

1134
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 1>of house races in play for Democrats. Nan Whaley, a

1135
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<v Speaker 1>former Dayton mayor who ran for governor in twenty two,

1136
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<v Speaker 1>told The Times, I've just not seen people this pissed.

1137
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<v Speaker 1>What do you guys think too good to be true?

1138
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 1>We turn in Ohio Blue. I mean, I'm surprised at

1139
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.320
<v Speaker 1>how bullish Nate Silver was on Ohio.

1140
00:50:58.599 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 3>We talked about this the last episode.

1141
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, Jim Arnacci, the former congressman, posted something

1142
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:05.559
<v Speaker 2>on the social media where he said, you can get

1143
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.159
<v Speaker 2>mad at me for posting this, but I'm just delivering

1144
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the message. The biggest issues for independence are Iran war,

1145
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:12.719
<v Speaker 2>gas prices, food prices, utility bills.

1146
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Rent.

1147
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So today Trump is further dragging out the Irn war,

1148
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe indefinitely. That keeps gas prices up, That impacts food

1149
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.119
<v Speaker 2>prices because of fertilizer costs. He started a trade war

1150
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 2>with Canada, which is going to jack up food and

1151
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:28.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe utility costs. And then Trump threatened to veto his

1152
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 2>only accomplishment on housing. So that wasn't that wasn't his

1153
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:32.480
<v Speaker 2>finest moment.

1154
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Also, Dan Wyley had another quote in that piece said,

1155
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you know it comes down to you hate everything. You

1156
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.199
<v Speaker 1>can't be mad at the Democrats because they don't control anything. Yeah,

1157
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like, honestly, that is that's what might get us

1158
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.559
<v Speaker 1>over the line. It's like at some point, you know,

1159
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.000
<v Speaker 1>there's there's no one left to blame but the Republicans

1160
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.519
<v Speaker 1>that have had complete control over most of Ohio, yep

1161
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and and now the country. So last, but not least

1162
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.519
<v Speaker 1>on the House side. The Times had another story that

1163
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<v Speaker 1>raised eye brows, the private meeting between House Minority Leader

1164
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Hakem Jeffries and Jared Kushner, where the two discussed quote,

1165
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:10.840
<v Speaker 1>potential areas of common ground. This comes as Democrats reportedly

1166
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.880
<v Speaker 1>prepared to launch numerous investigations into the Trump administration should

1167
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.119
<v Speaker 1>they win back the House in November. What'd you guys

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<v Speaker 1>think about Jared and Hakem meeting? What kind of common ground?

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<v Speaker 5>I think maybe in the West Bank.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, look, this triggered me deeply because I

1171
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.280
<v Speaker 2>obviously I am not a big Jared Kushner family. My fear,

1172
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 2>big picture is that. And this is not really about

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00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Hakim Jeffries, but he's a part of this. The Democrats will,

1174
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<v Speaker 2>once they get the gavel and have oversight authorities, waste

1175
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<v Speaker 2>time with like sternly worded letters and requests for things

1176
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.920
<v Speaker 2>instead of just subpoenas right out of the gate. And

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<v Speaker 2>those demands for documents and oversight have to include the

1178
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Trump family and the Kushner family and Jared's firm, and

1179
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Kushner is going to have very powerful allies calling around

1180
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.800
<v Speaker 2>to Democrats. Maybe they're a peace well that he's friends with,

1181
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:02.679
<v Speaker 2>who are rich people in New York or Miami who

1182
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 2>are also donors to Democrats and saying go easy on Jared.

1183
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 2>He's a moderating force. He's one of the good guys.

1184
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Look at what he did with the Abraham Accords, which

1185
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 2>we all have seen have brought peace to the Middle

1186
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.760
<v Speaker 2>East ever since they were put into place. And remember

1187
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.599
<v Speaker 2>Corey Booker voted to confirm Charles Kushner, Jared's dad, as

1188
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.920
<v Speaker 2>ambassador to France because of their pre existing relationship. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's why those reports were triggering on a

1190
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.239
<v Speaker 2>substantive level and on just a political level, It's like,

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00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 2>why would you take this meeting now, it just doesn't

1192
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 2>make any sense. There's nothing you're going to work on,

1193
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:38.039
<v Speaker 2>absolutely nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my reaction was like, what is the common ground

1195
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.679
<v Speaker 1>with Jared Kushner. He's not a housing policy expert, he

1196
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:46.639
<v Speaker 1>has no government job. Here's no government job.

1197
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:49.119
<v Speaker 5>He's just a private, private citizen with a lot of interests.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to talk with the White House about

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00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:54.280
<v Speaker 1>finding common ground on cost of living, go talk to

1200
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Speaker 1>someone in the Domestic Policy Council, talk to the President,

1201
00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the speaker that we talk to the president, right, and

1202
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:01.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe Jeffrey you know, and the White House, I guess

1203
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.440
<v Speaker 1>through Jared is pricing in that you know, Democrats are

1204
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 1>going to take the House, and Jefferies wants a channel

1205
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:09.320
<v Speaker 1>to the White House that isn't Trump, which is like,

1206
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that's fine, but again, that's not Jared Kushner. He doesn't

1207
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.880
<v Speaker 1>have a government job. And you can't you can't take

1208
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.559
<v Speaker 1>a meeting like that quietly and then be surprised when

1209
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the reaction is, you know, a signal about how confrontational

1210
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:27.480
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to be over the next two years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's just like, it's what do you think

1212
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:30.719
<v Speaker 1>you're going to do that in quiet meet with Jared,

1213
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and then everyone's going to just assume the best intentions.

1214
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<v Speaker 4>Well, this is this is I think the deeper problem,

1215
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:39.320
<v Speaker 4>which is and Dan wrote a good message box about

1216
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:43.119
<v Speaker 4>why there's so much consternation around this, and it is

1217
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<v Speaker 4>to Tommy's point that people are afraid that as speaker,

1218
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:49.440
<v Speaker 4>he won't be standing up to Trump enough, that he'll

1219
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:54.039
<v Speaker 4>be too conciliatory. But like, I don't under what is

1220
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:56.760
<v Speaker 4>your theory of power? In a second, in a in

1221
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:58.880
<v Speaker 4>the if you're the Speaker of the House, you have

1222
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.639
<v Speaker 4>the Senate, you don't have the Senate. Is it about

1223
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:06.320
<v Speaker 4>launching investigations? Is it about a publicly defiant posture. But

1224
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.400
<v Speaker 4>you're back channeling with the administration. Are you going to

1225
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:13.519
<v Speaker 4>be drawing lines? Like if you do what I think

1226
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:17.360
<v Speaker 4>certainly democratic voters want to see from a democratic House majority,

1227
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.199
<v Speaker 4>there will be no successful working relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>With the Trump administration.

1229
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.519
<v Speaker 4>You will be doing subpoenas, you will be doing investigations.

1230
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:25.239
<v Speaker 4>You will be trying every day to get to the

1231
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 4>bottom of deeply embarrassing stories about corruption, ties to the

1232
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:30.960
<v Speaker 4>Epstein files, failures, chaos.

1233
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:33.159
<v Speaker 3>Abuses of power like that is what every day will

1234
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:33.800
<v Speaker 3>be about.

1235
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:35.920
<v Speaker 4>Trump will hate you. Trump will want to destroy you.

1236
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:37.719
<v Speaker 4>Trump will be saying you should be in jail. He

1237
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.480
<v Speaker 4>will be putting the DOJ on you. So what exactly

1238
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.440
<v Speaker 4>is Jared, who we already did a version of this

1239
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Speaker 4>in the first term, ineffective, ineffective, effeckless, careless Jared going

1240
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:49.960
<v Speaker 4>to do for you? What is your back channel with

1241
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.480
<v Speaker 4>this guy who didn't preserve the Paris Accords, really didn't

1242
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.880
<v Speaker 4>do much of anything going to get you, certainly before

1243
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:56.960
<v Speaker 4>the election, let alone after.

1244
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:01.039
<v Speaker 2>And now he spends his time spending billions of Saudi

1245
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:04.119
<v Speaker 2>dollars on god knows what. He's trying to colonize an

1246
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 2>island off of the coast of Albania that's not going

1247
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:10.840
<v Speaker 2>very well. He's constantly meeting with a Russian oligarch. Who

1248
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.880
<v Speaker 2>is this economic sort of channel to putin, Like, everything

1249
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Jared's doing in Trump two point zero is really really

1250
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:18.679
<v Speaker 2>sketchy and not something you want to be affiliated with

1251
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:20.719
<v Speaker 2>in any way, shape or form, in something that.

1252
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 3>Demands a lot of scrutiny, a lot of scrutiny.

1253
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Truck Shream is probably pretty happy about the media because

1254
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:27.239
<v Speaker 1>he's not him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I.

1256
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<v Speaker 1>Didn't do this.

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<v Speaker 2>One's tiptoe run, all right, the other kushioners buying the

1258
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Lakers probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right, yeah, with Bob Bob Aker. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>one last thing before my interview with Seth Moulton. After

1261
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:45.320
<v Speaker 1>months of delays, the Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy, finally

1262
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:49.519
<v Speaker 1>released his YouTube series The Great American Road Trip. All

1263
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.519
<v Speaker 1>six episodes are out now. Each opens with a disclaimer

1264
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.639
<v Speaker 1>that no tax dollars were used to fund the show. Instead,

1265
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:58.840
<v Speaker 1>there are several corporate sponsors, many of which share a

1266
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:02.599
<v Speaker 1>theme if you can, if you can pick up on it, Boeing, Toyota, Shell,

1267
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.519
<v Speaker 1>United Airlines, Royal Caribbean Enterprise, rent a Car Lift, and

1268
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 1>the US Travel Association. The team put together some low

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<v Speaker 1>lights for you to enjoy so you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>watch the rest.

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<v Speaker 13>Here they are And as I say, I've been carrying

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<v Speaker 13>them luggage ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>I carry your babies and you carry my luggage.

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<v Speaker 8>If I do get it, I feel like you can't

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<v Speaker 8>say no to Harvard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well me and mom can say no.

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<v Speaker 13>They have professionalized figuring out how they can take good

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<v Speaker 13>young girls like you and I think corrupt their minds.

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<v Speaker 8>I went to an extremely conservative school in high school,

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<v Speaker 8>and I'm part of an extremely conservative family. And then

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<v Speaker 8>if I go to a liberal setting, that's a way

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<v Speaker 8>more rounded education than if I go to a conservative

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<v Speaker 8>high school and then go to a conservative college, that's

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<v Speaker 8>just being kind of one sided anyway.

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<v Speaker 13>Like they're so good at it. You'll see young people

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<v Speaker 13>go to a conservative school with a conservative family, and

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<v Speaker 13>they get perverted and controlled.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I controlled the trains lot, not me. The

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<v Speaker 1>house was set up for the two of us room together,

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<v Speaker 1>real wing will. Though it was fun, it was good.

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<v Speaker 3>We called her bitch I did. I did.

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<v Speaker 13>Not dancing even poorly is really introyable.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we'll have a little dance in our human horror.

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<v Speaker 1>Here a rockstart for doing the show trip thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh boy, oh boy, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>I had not watched that yet. That was troubling, I

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<v Speaker 3>really am.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so funny this idea that like there's a kind

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<v Speaker 4>of this idea in the kind of whatever the conservative

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<v Speaker 4>gen x boom er mine that the reason their kids

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<v Speaker 4>turned against them is because they went to colleges where

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<v Speaker 4>they were as if like.

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<v Speaker 1>Young girls had their minds perverted.

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<v Speaker 4>Meanwhile, meanwhile, you you look at the discourse around college,

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<v Speaker 4>you're like, hey, we got this problem. Our professors don't

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<v Speaker 4>seem to be reading anything that's submitted to them anymore. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>the kids are using chat gybt in the classroom. No

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<v Speaker 4>one seems to be doing any of the work anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>It just seems like I don't know that they're very

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<v Speaker 4>good at indoctrinating us to believe in anything, let alone

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<v Speaker 4>specific liberal ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>Its like Alex Jones, they turned the frogs gay, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the water kind of stuff. That poor First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>this poor kid like doesn't want to you having this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation on camera for it to be released to She's

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<v Speaker 2>totally liked her a total of sixteen thousand viewers so

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<v Speaker 2>far and YouTube going great for Sean Duffy.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh what what a weird Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, it's like it's not even like she's saying I

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<v Speaker 1>want to rebel against my conservative upbringing. She's basically just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love sort of a well rounded point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've got the conservative point of view, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had high school and now i'd like to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a well rounded liberal point of view. Study's like no,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely not me, and mom will say no, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>like this, I'm like a slap mom on the ass.

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<v Speaker 4>Is infantilization, Like there's like there's like, oh, would you

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<v Speaker 4>like you you will be like why do you think

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<v Speaker 4>your kids don't have the ability to hear an opposing idea?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what what do you?

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<v Speaker 1>What? What did this?

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<v Speaker 4>Like? She'ld be an adult, you know, young adult person

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<v Speaker 4>going to college a time where people, by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>time you are able to serve in the military, you're

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<v Speaker 4>allowed to do all kinds of things in a vote,

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<v Speaker 4>and you don't believe they can handle a college professor

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<v Speaker 4>telling you something liberal.

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<v Speaker 3>Like what how little respect do you have for people?

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<v Speaker 2>Dude?

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<v Speaker 1>You did road rules?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what are you lecturing your child about there? Like

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<v Speaker 3>their learning environment? You went real world road rules? The

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<v Speaker 3>challenge like how you and mom met?

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay to go out and live your life and

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<v Speaker 2>be around people who are different than you. Maybe you'll

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<v Speaker 2>learn something.

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<v Speaker 1>What a potential next White House pre Secretary Rachel Campo stuffy?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, is Scott Jennings coming on a little too strong?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Trump said something nice about him last

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<v Speaker 1>week when he was asked about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it was very like cursoris He's good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because there was the there was the Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Jennings is in the running, he had a dinner with

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<v Speaker 2>Susie Wiles sort of news cycle, which was immediately followed

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<v Speaker 2>by the Scott Jennings is overdoing it. He's terrible, The

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<v Speaker 2>White House hates him news cycles. So you can see

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of posturing and the mediates not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Clear to me where Trump is heading.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see up next my interview with Congressman Seth Moulton,

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<v Speaker 1>and also we are currently out to Ed Market's team

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<v Speaker 1>as well, hoping to get him on ahead of the

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<v Speaker 1>primary that's up next.

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<v Speaker 1>Seth Moulton, welcome back to Plaise America.

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<v Speaker 7>It's always an honor to be on the pods, So

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<v Speaker 7>thank you very much for having me back.

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<v Speaker 1>John, of course, So your primary against Senator ed Marky

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<v Speaker 1>is in a week. The only three polls taken in

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<v Speaker 1>August have you down twenty eight fifteen thirty three in

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<v Speaker 1>the most recent poll. Do you think the public polling

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<v Speaker 1>is all wrong or do you think you can make

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<v Speaker 1>up a lot of ground by next Tuesday? What does

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<v Speaker 1>your internal polling show? Internal polls have this very very close.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the polling has been wildly off in just

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<v Speaker 7>about every primary across the country, and the energy that

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<v Speaker 7>we're hearing on the ground the numbers that we're seeing

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<v Speaker 7>on the doors is incredibly positive.

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<v Speaker 6>People want change.

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<v Speaker 7>But at the end of the day, this will be

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<v Speaker 7>about who turns out for this election, and we have

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<v Speaker 7>a great turnout operation that will help the win.

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<v Speaker 1>Your central argument is about the need for generational change,

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<v Speaker 1>which has already worked in several Democratic primaries the cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>though usually it's been a young progressive defeating an old

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<v Speaker 1>or older moderate. I know you called yourself progressive in

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<v Speaker 1>the last debate, but do you think it's fair to say,

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<v Speaker 1>would you call yourself more moderate than Ed Markey? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 7>I think there are two progressives in this race. And

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<v Speaker 7>if you look at our policies, I mean, first of all,

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<v Speaker 7>the center market and I pretty much agree on policies.

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<v Speaker 7>There's really very little where we disagree fundamentally. Some of

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<v Speaker 7>my policies are actually more aggressive and progressive than his,

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<v Speaker 7>like my affordability agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>For example.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know, there's no policy change that I've made

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<v Speaker 7>in this race. This is always who I've been it.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, takes some time for people to get to

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<v Speaker 7>know you. And as I've been doing town halls all

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<v Speaker 7>across the state, I mean, I think people have seen

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<v Speaker 7>how committed I am to change, because it's not progressive

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<v Speaker 7>without progress. And at the end of the day, Senator

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<v Speaker 7>Markie has been advocating for a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 7>he's advocated for a very long time, and yet fundamentally

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<v Speaker 7>there are a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>Of problems that are just getting worse.

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<v Speaker 7>Housing costs keep going up, energy bills are twice a

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<v Speaker 7>national average here in Massachusetts. And it's just people admit

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<v Speaker 7>that the status quo approach is not working. And so

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<v Speaker 7>I've proposed some transformative ideas to address these things, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's what voters want right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to look at one policy difference, like Marki's for

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<v Speaker 1>a Medicare for all, single payer version of Medicare for all,

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<v Speaker 1>You're for a public option that lets people keep employer coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a good amount of evidence out there that even

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<v Speaker 1>a robust public option is the more popular, more achievable option,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's more moderate. Why isn't your argument that

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<v Speaker 1>your positions, some of your positions may be more moderate,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're also more likely to win and pass and

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<v Speaker 1>easily achieved.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, I think that achievable is absolutely part of the argument.

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<v Speaker 7>In fact, there is a not bed in the Boston

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<v Speaker 7>Globe today that said that Molten's policies are achievable and

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<v Speaker 7>Marquees are not. I mean, he was re elected in

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<v Speaker 7>twenty twenty on a promise to pass Medicare for all

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<v Speaker 7>in six years. He also promised to pass the Green

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<v Speaker 7>New Deal, and you have voted President on it himself

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<v Speaker 7>when it came before the Senate. It's got fewer co

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<v Speaker 7>sponsors today than it did when he first introduced it.

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<v Speaker 7>So again, it's not it's not progressive without actual progress.

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<v Speaker 7>And on this, you know, the question of healthcare for all,

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<v Speaker 7>we both support universal healthcare. In fact, I've gone so

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<v Speaker 7>far as to say it should be a human right,

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<v Speaker 7>not even debatable, whether you're a citizen and an immigrant,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, homeless on the street. It absolutely is a

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<v Speaker 7>human right. I think that's good for everybody in America.

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<v Speaker 7>But I actually want to get it done. And that's

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<v Speaker 7>why I stand with President Obama, which just says, yes,

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<v Speaker 7>you can have Medicare if you want it. Literally, everybody

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<v Speaker 7>can have Medicare if they want. But if you're a

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<v Speaker 7>union that's fought for years to get a great healthcare

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<v Speaker 7>plan that you really enjoy, you can keep it and

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<v Speaker 7>I made a commitment to keep going to the VA

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<v Speaker 7>from a healthcare when I was elected, because we know

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<v Speaker 7>the VA has got problems and I wanted to see

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<v Speaker 7>them firsthand. There are a lot of vets who want

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<v Speaker 7>to continue being able to go to the VA as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your specific argument as to why Marky's age matters.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it that he specifically isn't up to the job

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<v Speaker 1>because of his age, or that fifty years is just

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<v Speaker 1>too long for anyone regardless of age.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's I think it's three things. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>first of all, it's not personal, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>it's kind of against the idea, this establishment idea that

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<v Speaker 7>one person ought to be able to hang on to

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<v Speaker 7>a seat in Congress for fifty years, even if the

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<v Speaker 7>world is you know, passing him by. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 7>of this like establishment idea that the personal power is

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<v Speaker 7>more important than public service that as a VET I

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<v Speaker 7>really resent. The second point, though, is that if we

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<v Speaker 7>win the Senate, John, it will almost certainly be by

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<v Speaker 7>just one vote, and we cannot afford to have someone

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01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:09.880
<v Speaker 7>miss a vote due to a medical issue or anything

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01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:13.599
<v Speaker 7>else and potentially have that turn into another conservative Trump

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01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:17.599
<v Speaker 7>appointed Supreme Court Justice. The stakes are just too high,

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01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.360
<v Speaker 7>and we should learn the lessons of Diane Feinstein and

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01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:25.119
<v Speaker 7>Joe Biden and Ruth Bader Ginsburg and of course on

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01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 7>the other side of the aisle, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham,

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01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.760
<v Speaker 7>and recognize that there's just simply a risk when you

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<v Speaker 7>re elect someonet at eighty he'd be closer to ninety

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01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:36.159
<v Speaker 7>at the end of his next term than eighty. But

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<v Speaker 7>the third reason, which I think is really resonating right now,

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01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.039
<v Speaker 7>is that you've got to have a new generation of

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<v Speaker 7>leaders to take on a new generation of challenges and opportunities.

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<v Speaker 7>And in the last debate, we were asked about AI

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01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:53.239
<v Speaker 7>and Senator Marky explained to Massachusetts that he can't tell

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01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:56.119
<v Speaker 7>the apps on his phone or iPad a part. He

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01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.519
<v Speaker 7>doesn't know which ones use AI and which ones don't.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's tough.

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<v Speaker 7>After the debate, he tried to clean it up by

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01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:08.719
<v Speaker 7>comparing AI to an automobile and saying we ought to

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<v Speaker 7>regulate it the way we regulate seat belts. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>how are we going to make this technology safe if

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01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:18.199
<v Speaker 7>the senators don't even understand what it does?

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<v Speaker 1>What specific regulations do you favor for AI.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, first of all, we ought to learn from all

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01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.079
<v Speaker 7>the lessons of messing up the regulations for social media

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01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.239
<v Speaker 7>and actually, Senator market he talked about how he's been

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01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:35.319
<v Speaker 7>the architect of some of those regulations. His nineteen ninety

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01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:39.640
<v Speaker 7>six Telecom deregulation bill opened the door for big tech

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01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:42.600
<v Speaker 7>to come in make billions and billions of dollars but

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01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.560
<v Speaker 7>have absolutely no accountability for things on the Internet. Now

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01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.319
<v Speaker 7>he's tried to walk back some of that, but we

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01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:50.159
<v Speaker 7>all know the internet is unsafe. I mean, I've got

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01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:51.760
<v Speaker 7>a five year old and seven year old at home.

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01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:55.279
<v Speaker 7>I dread the time when they get on social media

1514
01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:57.960
<v Speaker 7>and we know that their suicide risk goes up. That

1515
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:00.840
<v Speaker 7>the harm that can have and just from being on

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01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:04.399
<v Speaker 7>social media, it's very real, and Congress has totally failed

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01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:06.800
<v Speaker 7>to regulate it. So Number one, we've got to make

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01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:10.960
<v Speaker 7>AI safe, and that means holding the AI companies actually accountable.

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01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:14.079
<v Speaker 7>Number Two, we do have to win the AI race

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01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:17.760
<v Speaker 7>against China because we don't want to have zero accountability

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01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 7>here in the United States because everyone starts using models

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01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:24.119
<v Speaker 7>from overseas. And then the third thing I'd say is

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01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:26.600
<v Speaker 7>that there will be job displacement. Now we don't know

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01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:29.199
<v Speaker 7>exactly when it will happen or what will it will be,

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01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:32.439
<v Speaker 7>So rather than try to anticipate where that's going, Like

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01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:35.399
<v Speaker 7>remember a few years ago and Democrats said, oh, we'll

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01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.319
<v Speaker 7>just retrain the coal miners to be computer programmers and

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01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:41.199
<v Speaker 7>then they'll be fine. I mean, even if that was

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01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:43.279
<v Speaker 7>realistic back then, these are like the first jobs that

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01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:45.520
<v Speaker 7>are getting automated out of existence by AI. So I

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01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:48.079
<v Speaker 7>think we have to have almost a FEMA like disaster

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01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:52.119
<v Speaker 7>fund approach to dealing with job loss, a federal fund

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01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:54.520
<v Speaker 7>to say, look, if every paralegal in their country loses

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01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:56.399
<v Speaker 7>their job within a month, we're going to help. We're

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01:09:56.439 --> 01:09:59.159
<v Speaker 7>going to bail them out until they can find new jobs.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that going to be critical as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned China. I feel like this constant tension with

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01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the development of AI is someone proposes regulation, someone proposes

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01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:16.159
<v Speaker 1>slowing it down. The counter argument is, well, yes, we

1540
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:19.199
<v Speaker 1>want safeguards and we want regulations, but we can't let

1541
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:22.960
<v Speaker 1>China beat us. So it's used as an argument to

1542
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:26.520
<v Speaker 1>just keep pushing ahead, Like what is the balance between

1543
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:30.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, making sure that we're not all using you know,

1544
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Chinese AI models, or even if we do nothing about it.

1545
01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Even if we stopped day tomorrow here for some reason

1546
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:40.279
<v Speaker 1>in the US, obviously it's still going to be with us.

1547
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.439
<v Speaker 1>It's the rest of the world is going to move ahead. So, like,

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01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:50.279
<v Speaker 1>how do you regulate AI without, you know, letting China

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01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:51.359
<v Speaker 1>win this race.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's a great question, John, And this really

1551
01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:58.159
<v Speaker 7>is the administration's argument, right They basically say we shouldn't

1552
01:10:58.159 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Speaker 7>have any rules. In fact, we should just do it

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01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.279
<v Speaker 7>exactly what all the AI executives tell us to do,

1554
01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:04.159
<v Speaker 7>because they're the experts and they're going to win this

1555
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:07.399
<v Speaker 7>race against China. I do not think these two things

1556
01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:09.479
<v Speaker 7>are mutually exclusive at all. I mean, no one wants

1557
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:11.600
<v Speaker 7>to fundamentally use a model at the end of the

1558
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:14.359
<v Speaker 7>day that is unsafe. In fact, there's a good chance

1559
01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:17.600
<v Speaker 7>that governments will just shut things down that are unsafe.

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01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:20.359
<v Speaker 7>So there's no reason why the winning model shouldn't also

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01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:24.479
<v Speaker 7>be the safe model. I also think that the wrong

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01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:27.000
<v Speaker 7>way to do it is for the federal government to say, Okay,

1563
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:28.880
<v Speaker 7>we're going to just make all the rules, because we

1564
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.079
<v Speaker 7>all know we're not going to keep up, like we're

1565
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:33.560
<v Speaker 7>not going to keep up with the technology. That's why

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01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:36.000
<v Speaker 7>I talk about accountability. I think the big problem with

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01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:38.600
<v Speaker 7>social media and big tech companies is that there's just

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01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:42.119
<v Speaker 7>no accountability whatsoever. If I were just starting to see

1569
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:45.439
<v Speaker 7>big tech care because there have been successful lawsuits for

1570
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:48.479
<v Speaker 7>the first time against them for the things that show

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01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.760
<v Speaker 7>up on their platforms. We've got to make it clear

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01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:54.159
<v Speaker 7>from the very beginning that these AAI companies are actually liable,

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01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:58.239
<v Speaker 7>and that will force the kind of self regulation that

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01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:02.199
<v Speaker 7>we've never seen appropriately with social media, but also importantly

1575
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.640
<v Speaker 7>will be able to keep up and therefore stay competitive

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01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:07.840
<v Speaker 7>with China and other countries around the world.

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01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Bernie Sanders recently wrote a letter to AI leaders like

1578
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Sam Altman, Dario Amiday, and Mark Zuckerberg following the news

1579
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:20.439
<v Speaker 1>that their companies lost control of their AI models. First

1580
01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:24.319
<v Speaker 1>it was Open Ai, and then Claude and then Anthropic

1581
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and Meta said the same thing. So the letter said, quote,

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01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.680
<v Speaker 1>in the interest of humanity, stand by your words, pause

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01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:34.560
<v Speaker 1>AI development. It is not too late to avoid disaster.

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01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Stop building machines that humans cannot control. Do you agree

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01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:42.079
<v Speaker 1>with Bernie that these companies should pause AI development?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean no, John, As you said, like the world

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01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:47.039
<v Speaker 7>is going to continue developing AI, I mean China may

1588
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:49.479
<v Speaker 7>only be a few months behind us, depending on who

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01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:53.600
<v Speaker 7>you talk to. So just pausing it is not smart

1590
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:56.439
<v Speaker 7>for the United States, for I mean, look, do you trust,

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01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:58.840
<v Speaker 7>at the end of the day, the United States of

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01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:02.199
<v Speaker 7>America or Communist China to make AI safe? I certainly

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01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:04.520
<v Speaker 7>trust the United States of America as many as many

1594
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:07.880
<v Speaker 7>problems as we have back here. But again, we have

1595
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:10.640
<v Speaker 7>to make big tech accountable, and so fundamentally I agree

1596
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:13.239
<v Speaker 7>with Bernie that they are not doing enough to make

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01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:16.399
<v Speaker 7>models safe and to show accountability for their behavior right now.

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<v Speaker 7>But the answer is not pretending that this is not

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01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:21.479
<v Speaker 7>going to happen. Bernie is also got to build on

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<v Speaker 7>for a moratorium on data centers.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about that? Would you support a

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01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:31.600
<v Speaker 1>moratorium on building data centers for a year until or

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01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:35.319
<v Speaker 1>longer until you know, we can figure this out and

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01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:39.079
<v Speaker 1>people in more local communities and states can have more

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01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:41.640
<v Speaker 1>of a say in where these data centers are going.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it should be up to local control. Like

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01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:46.560
<v Speaker 7>I think that you know, people in communities that are

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01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:51.039
<v Speaker 7>going to be impacted by data centers, both negatively and positively,

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01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:54.079
<v Speaker 7>you know, should make these decisions. And there are some

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01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:56.800
<v Speaker 7>communities that want data centers because of the tax revenue.

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01:13:57.079 --> 01:13:59.319
<v Speaker 7>There are a lot of communities right here in Massachusetts

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01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:03.960
<v Speaker 7>that are really nervous about them jacking up electricity prices

1613
01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:07.840
<v Speaker 7>when electric bills are already way too high here in Massachusetts.

1614
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:10.479
<v Speaker 7>There are a lot of people who are worried about pollution,

1615
01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:14.119
<v Speaker 7>you know, for good reason. So my view is that

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01:14:14.199 --> 01:14:16.520
<v Speaker 7>this should be this should be local control. These should

1617
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:19.880
<v Speaker 7>be local communities making decisions. The federal government should not

1618
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:24.319
<v Speaker 7>be forcing data centers down everybody that anybody's throat. But

1619
01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:26.000
<v Speaker 7>at the end of the day, when when there are

1620
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.640
<v Speaker 7>local communities that say, no, we want this business, we

1621
01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:30.960
<v Speaker 7>want this here, we want the construction jobs, a lot

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01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:34.439
<v Speaker 7>of unions are very in favor of these data centers

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01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:37.680
<v Speaker 7>because all the jobs that they bring. Then it's a

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01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:40.520
<v Speaker 7>good thing for our data to sit in data centers

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01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:44.039
<v Speaker 7>in the United States and not in data centers overseas

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01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.840
<v Speaker 7>in China, where we know that they do not respect privacy,

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01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:51.640
<v Speaker 7>they don't have proper controls over intellectual property. I think

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01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:54.279
<v Speaker 7>it's already a problem that big tech companies and AI

1629
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:59.399
<v Speaker 7>companies use our data without our permission or any any

1630
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:02.239
<v Speaker 7>benefit back to us. But it could get even worse

1631
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:04.800
<v Speaker 7>if there's absolutely no control over our data because it

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01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:05.600
<v Speaker 7>sits overseas.

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01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:08.840
<v Speaker 1>There was another odd moment in an earlier August debate

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01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:10.760
<v Speaker 1>that I wanted to ask you about. At one point,

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01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.720
<v Speaker 1>you asked Marky why he'd take a meeting with a

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01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:16.800
<v Speaker 1>lobbyist on behalf of Jeffrey Epstein. This was based on

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01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:19.600
<v Speaker 1>a twenty fifteen email in the Epstein files where colleague

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01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:22.640
<v Speaker 1>of a lobbyist named Bob Crowe said he'd had an

1639
01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:25.680
<v Speaker 1>initial briefing with Marky about getting the son of a

1640
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:29.960
<v Speaker 1>former Senegalese president out of prison. Epstein paid for that lobbying,

1641
01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:32.760
<v Speaker 1>but both Markey and Crowe say the meeting never happened.

1642
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Three independent fact checks found the claim mostly false or unsupported.

1643
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:40.159
<v Speaker 1>There's no evidence that the briefing with Markey took place,

1644
01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:43.079
<v Speaker 1>or that Marky had any idea Epstein was involved. You

1645
01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:45.479
<v Speaker 1>also took two thousand dollars from Bob crow which you

1646
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:49.239
<v Speaker 1>later returned. But considering all that, do you still think

1647
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:51.840
<v Speaker 1>it was fair to suggest that Marky took the meeting

1648
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.199
<v Speaker 1>and did a favor for one of Epstein's pals.

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01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:56.560
<v Speaker 7>Well, look, I mean, if you look at the the email,

1650
01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:01.680
<v Speaker 7>the meeting happened, and it's not a prize that Senator

1651
01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:05.319
<v Speaker 7>Market would sadly not tell the truth about this, because

1652
01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:07.319
<v Speaker 7>he's been lying a lot in this campaign. I mean,

1653
01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:09.840
<v Speaker 7>he said that he does not take corporate pack money,

1654
01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:12.359
<v Speaker 7>and he does. He said that he does not take

1655
01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:16.079
<v Speaker 7>fossil fuel lobbyist money, and he does. The Boston Globe

1656
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:19.279
<v Speaker 7>and the Boston Herald have documented these things. So unfortunately,

1657
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.760
<v Speaker 7>he's been lying to his supporters throughout this campaign, and

1658
01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:25.560
<v Speaker 7>it's not a surprise that he would be dishonest about

1659
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:29.920
<v Speaker 7>a meeting that emails clearly documented occurred. But my question

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01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.199
<v Speaker 7>was actually very simple. It was simply just why would

1661
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:35.880
<v Speaker 7>you take a meeting? Because this actually does go to

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01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:39.000
<v Speaker 7>the heart of an issue that I'm hearing all across Massachusetts,

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01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:41.920
<v Speaker 7>which is that they don't people don't see the Senator.

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01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:46.439
<v Speaker 7>I've done over fifty town halls across the state where

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01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:50.199
<v Speaker 7>anyone can come. It was like hundreds of individual events,

1666
01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:53.600
<v Speaker 7>but anyone can come to over fifty public town halls

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01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:56.800
<v Speaker 7>and ask me any question that they want, and I

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01:16:57.079 --> 01:17:00.119
<v Speaker 7>often hear we never see the Senator. I've never been

1669
01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:02.520
<v Speaker 7>able to get a meeting with him. I've never been able.

1670
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:03.079
<v Speaker 6>To ask a question.

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<v Speaker 7>So this simple question I asked is why would you

1672
01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:09.760
<v Speaker 7>take this meeting on behalf of a lobbyist working for

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01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:14.279
<v Speaker 7>Epstein and not and not take meetings with constituents? And

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01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:17.920
<v Speaker 7>that is representative of things that I'm hearing on the trail.

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01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:22.039
<v Speaker 1>But it's possible that it was just a you know,

1676
01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:26.560
<v Speaker 1>a call between this lobbyist or a colleague of the

1677
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:29.760
<v Speaker 1>lobbyists and Marque's staff, and Markey had nothing to do

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01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:31.680
<v Speaker 1>with it or had no knowledge of them.

1679
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:34.079
<v Speaker 7>And the email didn't say it brief to staff. I mean,

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01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:35.960
<v Speaker 7>I've worked in the congressional office for ten years. A

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01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:38.399
<v Speaker 7>big difference between Oh, we brief Molten's staff or we

1682
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:41.840
<v Speaker 7>brief Moulton, right, I mean, it's pretty it's it's pretty clear.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know, look, he could at least return the money.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 7>The point is a lot of voters ask like, why

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01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:51.800
<v Speaker 7>can't we get access to our senator? And this just

1687
01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:54.199
<v Speaker 7>goes to the heart of that question, Like the wealthy

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01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:56.640
<v Speaker 7>and the well connected, even if they're connected to a

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01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:59.520
<v Speaker 7>convicted felon, seemed to be able to get meetings or

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01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.359
<v Speaker 7>briefings or whatever you want to call it with senators,

1691
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:06.479
<v Speaker 7>and yet ordinary people in Massachusetts can't, and that's a

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01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:09.279
<v Speaker 7>change that I would like to bring if I'm elected Centator.

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01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:13.439
<v Speaker 7>We've actually won as many Democracy Wards awards from the

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01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:16.319
<v Speaker 7>Congressional Management Foundation as I think any other office on

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01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:21.199
<v Speaker 7>Capitol Hill, and including ones for transparency and constituent services.

1696
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:23.479
<v Speaker 7>I mean, literally the best office in the country for

1697
01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:27.119
<v Speaker 7>constituent services, and that means people can come to us

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01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:30.039
<v Speaker 7>at all times for anything. In fact, we do get

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01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.840
<v Speaker 7>a lot of constituent services requests from other congressional districts

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01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:35.960
<v Speaker 7>aince they say I can't get an answer from that

1701
01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:39.119
<v Speaker 7>Congressman or that Senator, so we're coming to you. And

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01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:41.880
<v Speaker 7>I think that's the kind of service and the kind

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01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.359
<v Speaker 7>of access that people in Massachusetts want and deserve.

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01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was going to ask because obviously, like corruption

1705
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:52.960
<v Speaker 1>is a huge issue thanks to the administration and Donald Trump,

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01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:55.199
<v Speaker 1>but also it's just you can tell people are sort

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01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:57.039
<v Speaker 1>of fed up with some of the things that you're

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01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:59.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about, just broadly with Congress and Washington in general.

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01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Sort of reminds me of two thousand and six and

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01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:06.479
<v Speaker 1>when Democrats took the House and it was an anti

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01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:09.439
<v Speaker 1>corruption message. You know, back then there was sort of

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01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:13.279
<v Speaker 1>a series of proposed reforms if Democrats took back Congress,

1713
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:15.560
<v Speaker 1>what they could do on ethics and lobbying. I remember

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01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.640
<v Speaker 1>when I first started working for then Senator Obama, you know,

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01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:23.920
<v Speaker 1>spearheaded some of those as well. Have you thought about legislation,

1716
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:29.359
<v Speaker 1>ethics reforms, lobbying reforms, anti corruption legislation that you'd like

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01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:32.960
<v Speaker 1>to pass if you're senator. And additionally, even if there

1718
01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:35.840
<v Speaker 1>are things that you can't pass legislation you can't pass,

1719
01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:39.399
<v Speaker 1>just sort of rules for your own office that you

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01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:41.560
<v Speaker 1>want to put into places as senator.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, absolutely so.

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01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:45.520
<v Speaker 7>First of all, I was the first office on Capitol Hill,

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01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:49.239
<v Speaker 7>House or Senate to ban prediction market trading for me

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01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:52.479
<v Speaker 7>or my staff, and that's set an example that other

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01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:56.600
<v Speaker 7>offices have followed. But that's a great example of something

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01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:59.680
<v Speaker 7>that we've already done internally, and those bands should of

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01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:03.880
<v Speaker 7>course be passed into law. I also think that we

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01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:06.640
<v Speaker 7>need campaign finance reform, and we've tried for years to

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01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:08.800
<v Speaker 7>get it. As you said, people have proposed this for

1730
01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:11.640
<v Speaker 7>a long time, it's been difficult with the Supreme Court.

1731
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.119
<v Speaker 7>A novel approach that I've been pursuing is to tie

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01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:18.479
<v Speaker 7>campaign finance reform to term limits and The reason why

1733
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:22.399
<v Speaker 7>this is an interesting combination is that campaign finance reform

1734
01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:25.560
<v Speaker 7>tends to be more popular with Democrats, term limits tend

1735
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:28.720
<v Speaker 7>to be more popular with Republicans in Congress, and yet

1736
01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:31.119
<v Speaker 7>both are widely popular with the American public.

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01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:33.079
<v Speaker 6>So we could make a compromise.

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01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:35.560
<v Speaker 7>Each side could eat a little crow, and we could

1739
01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:37.960
<v Speaker 7>do something that would I think be fundamentally good for

1740
01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:41.479
<v Speaker 7>Congress and raise our esteem in the minds of the

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01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:46.000
<v Speaker 7>general public. But it has been proven difficult to pass

1742
01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:48.920
<v Speaker 7>without some sort of grand bargain like that. I've also

1743
01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:53.439
<v Speaker 7>co sponsored three Congressional stock trading bands, and I think

1744
01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:56.680
<v Speaker 7>that I've also disclosed my whole family's taxes in this race,

1745
01:20:56.720 --> 01:20:59.159
<v Speaker 7>which Center Marquee has not. I think that kind of

1746
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:01.840
<v Speaker 7>transparence is just helpful. And of course some of these

1747
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:04.840
<v Speaker 7>were unwritten rules, like we had disclosure of taxes amongst

1748
01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:08.079
<v Speaker 7>all presidential candidates until Trump came along and just refused

1749
01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:10.880
<v Speaker 7>to do it. I think one of the biggest lessons

1750
01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:15.000
<v Speaker 7>that Democrats have to learn after the second Trump administration.

1751
01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:18.479
<v Speaker 7>We clearly didn't learn well enough after the first. Is

1752
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:20.199
<v Speaker 7>it just pretending we can go back to normal?

1753
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:20.760
<v Speaker 6>Isn't enough?

1754
01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:24.319
<v Speaker 7>We need these kinds of fundamental reforms so that the

1755
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:27.159
<v Speaker 7>next person like Donald Trump doesn't come and just completely

1756
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:28.479
<v Speaker 7>abuse the system once again.

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01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:30.720
<v Speaker 1>You hit a line in one of the last debates

1758
01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:33.159
<v Speaker 1>that said, if you're happy with your electricity built tonight,

1759
01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:36.079
<v Speaker 1>vote for the Senator expand on that argument a little

1760
01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:39.920
<v Speaker 1>bit for me, like, what is the thing Massachusetts doesn't

1761
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.279
<v Speaker 1>have because Ed Markey has held this seat.

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01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:47.279
<v Speaker 7>It's just innovation and change and an urgency to get

1763
01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:50.720
<v Speaker 7>these problems fixed. Because electric electric bills are not a

1764
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:53.840
<v Speaker 7>new problem, and we've had a high electricity rates, high

1765
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:57.800
<v Speaker 7>high gas prices for a long time in Massachusetts and

1766
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:00.960
<v Speaker 7>they haven't been addressed. And in the last debate, Senator

1767
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:04.760
<v Speaker 7>Marquee was he thought, rather indignant, and he trotted out

1768
01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:07.319
<v Speaker 7>a list of things that he's done on this issue,

1769
01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:10.600
<v Speaker 7>and I said, look, Senator, I respect your work on this.

1770
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I really do.

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<v Speaker 7>In fact, I've supported many of those measures myself. But

1772
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:17.600
<v Speaker 7>we've just got to admit that it's not enough. When

1773
01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:21.000
<v Speaker 7>our electric bills are twice the national average. It clearly

1774
01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:24.279
<v Speaker 7>hasn't gotten that done. On housing, for example, there are

1775
01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:26.000
<v Speaker 7>a lot of tweaks in the system that have been

1776
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:29.199
<v Speaker 7>proposed and worked on for a while, but housing prices

1777
01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:32.399
<v Speaker 7>are skyrocketing in Massachusetts, and one out of three people

1778
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:36.159
<v Speaker 7>here in this state thought about leaving just last year

1779
01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:40.720
<v Speaker 7>because it's unaffordable to live here. So I've proposed a

1780
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:45.159
<v Speaker 7>totally transformative initiative to make it faster than driving to

1781
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:48.479
<v Speaker 7>get around Massachusetts by turning our commuter rail system into

1782
01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:51.439
<v Speaker 7>a fast regional rail system like they have throughout Europe.

1783
01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:53.760
<v Speaker 7>It would finally connect north and south Stasian, so every

1784
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:55.640
<v Speaker 7>train from the north would flow through to the South

1785
01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:57.600
<v Speaker 7>and west. I mean, I'm down in the Cape right now.

1786
01:22:57.920 --> 01:22:59.840
<v Speaker 7>It took like two and a half hours to get

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01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:02.119
<v Speaker 7>down here. That trips to be from Salem in like

1788
01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:04.960
<v Speaker 7>forty five minutes right now. This has been shown by

1789
01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:06.880
<v Speaker 7>our recent Harvard study to take one hundred and fifty

1790
01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:09.800
<v Speaker 7>five million cars off the road and spur hundreds of

1791
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:12.439
<v Speaker 7>thousands of units of new housing. In fact, this is

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01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:14.800
<v Speaker 7>one of the things that the Globe recently cited as

1793
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:18.479
<v Speaker 7>a really achievable project that we just need next generation

1794
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:22.920
<v Speaker 7>leadership to get done. And Centatra Markie has proposed improving

1795
01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:26.279
<v Speaker 7>rail service to western Massachusetts. His proposal would have rail

1796
01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:28.279
<v Speaker 7>service in two and a half hours, which is actually

1797
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:31.920
<v Speaker 7>slower than the same trains applied the route in nineteen fifty.

1798
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:35.039
<v Speaker 7>That's just not the change that we need to address

1799
01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:35.680
<v Speaker 7>these problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, like, I mean, you know, you've said that

1801
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:44.479
<v Speaker 1>a lot of your policy views and an ideology are

1802
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:51.199
<v Speaker 1>similar to Markey. There's obviously a generational argument there, but like, specifically,

1803
01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:54.840
<v Speaker 1>what do you think a Senator Moulton actually delivers in

1804
01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:58.079
<v Speaker 1>the next six years that a Senator Marquee does not

1805
01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:02.319
<v Speaker 1>or would not. Where would you guys differ in terms

1806
01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:05.079
<v Speaker 1>of Okay, a vote comes in the Senate and you'd

1807
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:07.319
<v Speaker 1>vote one way and market would vote another way.

1808
01:24:07.399 --> 01:24:10.359
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, great question, because we really do agree on most policies. Like,

1809
01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:12.199
<v Speaker 7>for example, we were just talking about housing. I mean,

1810
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:14.560
<v Speaker 7>we obviously both agree that we need to bring housing

1811
01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:18.119
<v Speaker 7>costs down. I just admit that what we've been trying

1812
01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:20.359
<v Speaker 7>hasn't worked and we need to do something much more

1813
01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:24.039
<v Speaker 7>transformative like this regional rail initiative. I don't think that

1814
01:24:24.119 --> 01:24:26.960
<v Speaker 7>really translates into a different vote in the United States Senate.

1815
01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:29.840
<v Speaker 7>But I'll tell you something that does, and that is

1816
01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:33.119
<v Speaker 7>voting for Chuck Schumer. When I started this campaign, I

1817
01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:34.760
<v Speaker 7>said from day one, I'm not going to vote for

1818
01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:36.640
<v Speaker 7>Chuck Schumer. I'm not going to run on a platform

1819
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:39.520
<v Speaker 7>of next generation leadership here in Massachusetts and then go

1820
01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:44.800
<v Speaker 7>to Washington and support Senator Schumer. Senator Marquee not only

1821
01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:48.800
<v Speaker 7>supports Senator Schumer, but just took sixty two thousand dollars

1822
01:24:49.359 --> 01:24:51.520
<v Speaker 7>from the Senator out of the Senate Victory Fund, the

1823
01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:54.359
<v Speaker 7>fund that's supposed to flip seats from red to blue

1824
01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:57.960
<v Speaker 7>in Michigan, in Ohio and Alaska and Maine and other

1825
01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:01.039
<v Speaker 7>states across the country where we to flip seats to

1826
01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:03.520
<v Speaker 7>win back the majority. Senator Mark he took that money

1827
01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:06.199
<v Speaker 7>out of the Victory Fund. The Democrats of the across

1828
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:08.520
<v Speaker 7>the country have contributed to it to bail out his

1829
01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:10.560
<v Speaker 7>own campaign, and so that's.

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01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:12.119
<v Speaker 6>A huge difference in approach.

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01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:14.960
<v Speaker 7>I think, you know, John, I've been working for years

1832
01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:18.279
<v Speaker 7>to do the opposite, to actually use my platform in

1833
01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:22.199
<v Speaker 7>Massachusetts to raise millions of dollars for candidates across the

1834
01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:25.560
<v Speaker 7>country through my Serve America initiative that's recruited, mentored, and

1835
01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:29.680
<v Speaker 7>supported amazing leaders like Mikey Cheryl, who the governor of

1836
01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:34.239
<v Speaker 7>New Jersey, who just endorsed my campaign, Andy Kim, Melissa Slockin,

1837
01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:38.279
<v Speaker 7>in the Senate, Governor Spamberger, and real leaders in the

1838
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:43.079
<v Speaker 7>House like Laura Underwood, Johnna Hayes, Chrissy Holahan, Pat Ryan.

1839
01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:46.520
<v Speaker 7>You know, these are people who all flipped seats, and

1840
01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:50.479
<v Speaker 7>I think that a Senator in a safe blue seat

1841
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:55.399
<v Speaker 7>like Massachusetts should really be invested in winning majorities across

1842
01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:58.239
<v Speaker 7>the country, not taking money out of the fund to

1843
01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:01.640
<v Speaker 7>win majorities across the country to cling to power for

1844
01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:02.720
<v Speaker 7>another six years.

1845
01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Last question for you, set marque Aside. You spent a

1846
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:10.640
<v Speaker 1>couple of years arguing that this party is broken. Democrats

1847
01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:13.880
<v Speaker 1>are heading into a mid term environment that's very good

1848
01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:16.560
<v Speaker 1>for the party, but the brand is still underwater. If

1849
01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:19.880
<v Speaker 1>you had to name the single thing that Democrats are

1850
01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>getting wrong right now that has nothing to do with

1851
01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:24.720
<v Speaker 1>anyone's age, what is it?

1852
01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:27.720
<v Speaker 7>Is that people know one thing about the Democratic Party

1853
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:30.399
<v Speaker 7>and it's that we're opposed to Trump, and that's it.

1854
01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:35.119
<v Speaker 7>They don't know what we actually stand for, and that's opposition,

1855
01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:38.119
<v Speaker 7>but it's not leadership. And I think when people are

1856
01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:42.239
<v Speaker 7>scared and hurting, as so many are across the country today,

1857
01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:47.720
<v Speaker 7>with cost skyrocketing and MAGA controlling everything in Washington and

1858
01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:55.119
<v Speaker 7>Trump just completely reckless and disgusting, frankly, as this racist president.

1859
01:26:55.960 --> 01:27:00.239
<v Speaker 7>People don't want just opposition, they want leadership. It's an

1860
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:02.840
<v Speaker 7>interesting way that I've sort of illustrated this in my

1861
01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:07.119
<v Speaker 7>town halls where I'll say, okay, ask everyone here, several

1862
01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:10.640
<v Speaker 7>hundred people, whatever it is, how many of you are

1863
01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:14.520
<v Speaker 7>opposed to Trump's immigration enforcement? And of course every hand

1864
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:17.399
<v Speaker 7>in the room goes up. Right then I say, how

1865
01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:21.119
<v Speaker 7>many of you can tell me what Democrats immigration policy is.

1866
01:27:22.279 --> 01:27:24.680
<v Speaker 7>I've asked this question of thousands of people and you

1867
01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:27.239
<v Speaker 7>don't get a single hand. And this isn't some idle

1868
01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:29.239
<v Speaker 7>or esoteric issue. I mean, this is the number one

1869
01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:34.000
<v Speaker 7>issue today with Ice terrorizing blue communities all across the country.

1870
01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:36.960
<v Speaker 7>It was one of the top two issues in the

1871
01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:40.079
<v Speaker 7>twenty four election that we lost across the board. And

1872
01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:42.000
<v Speaker 7>yet for Democrats not be able to say what our

1873
01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:44.359
<v Speaker 7>immigration policy is. Now people are going to ask, okay, seth,

1874
01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:48.159
<v Speaker 7>what's your immigration policy? Three quick points? Prosecute Ice. Yes,

1875
01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:52.880
<v Speaker 7>it should be abolish. The institution is completely broken. Immigration

1876
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:55.159
<v Speaker 7>enforcement should go back into the Department of Justice. But

1877
01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:57.680
<v Speaker 7>it's not enough just to say poof you go away.

1878
01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:00.560
<v Speaker 7>We need to hold these people accountable again. That's a

1879
01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:03.640
<v Speaker 7>big mistake we made not doing enough of that accountability

1880
01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:07.239
<v Speaker 7>after the first Trump administration. Number two, create an immigration

1881
01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:11.640
<v Speaker 7>system that actually incentivizes people to come here legally, not illegally,

1882
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:14.479
<v Speaker 7>because for many people they find it just easier to

1883
01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:17.079
<v Speaker 7>walk across the border than actually go through the bureaucracy

1884
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:19.399
<v Speaker 7>to become a citizen. And then number three, we need

1885
01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:22.000
<v Speaker 7>a pathway to citizenship for families and kids who are

1886
01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.479
<v Speaker 7>already here and part of our communities. Now, those are

1887
01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:26.920
<v Speaker 7>three broad points. We could spend you know, forty five

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<v Speaker 7>minutes debating the details, but the point is there. You

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<v Speaker 7>go like, that's my immigration policy and you know my experiences.

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<v Speaker 7>You get a lot of nodding heads. But when most

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<v Speaker 7>Democrats can't even articulate how we're going to fix this problem,

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<v Speaker 7>it leaves a lot of people feeling that the party

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<v Speaker 7>is out of touch.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think we just got to get back in touch.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>Last thing I'll say is I ran for Congress because

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<v Speaker 7>I saw the consequences of failed leadership in Washington serving

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<v Speaker 7>in the war on the ground in Iraq, a war

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<v Speaker 7>that Center Marquee voted for. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>people making decisions in Washington that we're totally out of

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<v Speaker 7>touch with those of us who were fighting in the

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<v Speaker 7>sand and the mud in that.

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<v Speaker 6>War of choice.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think there are a lot of people across

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<v Speaker 7>America who feel the same way today that Washington and

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<v Speaker 7>these establishment people who've been there forever are really out

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<v Speaker 7>of touch with the everyday struggles of America, and the

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<v Speaker 7>party that can better demonstrate that we're listening, we are hearing,

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<v Speaker 7>we are responding with real leadership to fix those problems

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<v Speaker 7>on the ground. That's the party that's going to win.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm confident that Democrats can get there, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>sure we're there completely. And that's why I've been willing

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<v Speaker 7>to challenge the party establishment, as I'm doing in this race.

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<v Speaker 1>Seth Moulton, thank you as always for joining Pizave America.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy the cape. If you pass through North Reading, tell

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<v Speaker 1>people I said hi, Thanks, It's.

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<v Speaker 7>Been an honor to work for your family and friends

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<v Speaker 7>in North Redding.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very much my district. Yes, all right, take care,

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<v Speaker 1>take care. Thanks again. Thanks to Congressman Moulten for joining

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<v Speaker 1>Dan and I will be back on Friday. Positive America

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<v Speaker 1>is a Crooked Media production. Our show is produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Austin Fisher, Saul Ruben, McKenna, Roberts, and Ferris Safari with

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<v Speaker 1>Ree Jerlin, Elijah Cone and Adrian Hill. Our team includes

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<v Speaker 1>Matt de Groat, Ben Hefcote, Jordan Cantor, Charlotte Landis Krol,

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<v Speaker 1>pel Avive, David Toles, Mia Kelman, Ryan Young and Naomi Single.

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<v Speaker 1>Our staff is probably unionized with the Writers Guild of

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<v Speaker 1>America East
