Speaker 1: M what's up? I can go fucking live on here.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna try to talk some ship.
Speaker 1: What's up? Is this the right person?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: This is very convincing, like this is moving stuff here?
Like what is it? I don't even know what this is?
Like this stuff on here, seismic cascade alert? What and
the heck is this? Dudek? No, that's not him. There
is no O three og profile that comes up. Man,
I've searched it every possible way and none of you
can actually just give me the damn link or just
tell the guy to come debate dude O three OG. Yeah,
when I type in O three og, that guy's profile
is what comes up. That's why I can't understand what
you're like. If you type into the Instagram search you
get here. We go, let's try this. Maybe this is it. Okay,
so you guys had it wrong. The last guy that
sent me the link is the actual correct link, but
now it doesn't want to come up. Maybe he blocked
me or something because it's not I found a profile,
but the profile doesn't want to load. I wonder if
that means I'm blocked here. Look, I'll show you what
I mean. Let's see if it works over here. So
if I type in that profile, here's what you get,
blank screen. So he must have me blocked because nothing
comes up when I search this profile. You see that,
So he has me blocked. Debate the guy who has
you blocked? Or you're scared? Let's see. Let me try
another browser to see who this person is or why
it doesn't show up restricted profile. You must be eighteen
to view this profile. So he is the true hidden
e mom Worth under Ismail Salorio. What is the Malachi prophecy?
I mean a bunch of ra mechellic gibberish. What do
you mean I've been hearing the Malachi prophecy since two
thousand and three. Uh, thank you for wasting my time
for fucking thirty minutes with that stupid shit trying to
get me to debate some person that you can't even
access his profile. Where is the ORB chilling by my head?
By the way, it's not boomer like. The profile is restricted. Dude,
Jay is ignorant. Ryan, you want to come debate, the
profile comes up as restricted. I didn't block him. If
you go to another browser, the profile comes up as restricted.
Like if you go to another browser where you're not
like enrolled in Instagram or signed in So the zero
was him? So you got somebody said it wasn't him.
I'm not going to debate somebody who's tracking weather patterns
and like stupid NASA shit, dude, Like what so now
people are saying that is him? M three to og
fanboy Jay is running because he can't deadlift and he
has pencil arms. Yes, that's it. Nothing to do with
actually debating. It has to do with running from a
random a random profile. You said he had thirty thousand followers.
His Instagram has three thousand followers. His Twitter gets one reply. Dude,
come on, thank you for wasting my time for the
last thirty minutes. By the way, I think I just won't.
I'm just gonna refund all of Ian Scott's super chats.
There's wad wasting my time. Mud five dollars. A guy
named your mom is fat and gay and ugly was
in the comments on a video in You two thousand
and nine. You should find him and debate him, because
if you don't, you're scared. Exactly, yes, track down every
single person randomly commenting on Twitter, or you're scared, You're
totally scared. The quest for the debater is boring the
pants off everyone. It's rather insulting. Okay, cara o, goodbye,
see yeah, goodbye. The reason we do that is that
I do always give the opportunity for people to come debate.
And there's no fear on my part of like engaging
in a debate or having a debate. So I always
like to open it up. And so as you guys
should know, like for people who have a lower count
of following, the open debates are for those people. I
don't give a formal debate to a person with two
hundred followers. Okay, does Ian Scott want to come in debate,
He can come debate. How's that make a video bunking Hinduism?
Maybe one day again. I always tell people to go
read Father Surfer and Roses book Orthodox in Religion Future.
We did an entire talk years ago on orthodox in
Religion in the Future, so people can go find that
and let's get back to Sargone. Thank you for that
total waste of time.
Speaker 2: And this is why the book The Birth of the
Scientific Endeavor even began in the first place. People like
Francis Bacon and Descartes were like, no, no, we can
use our reason to make the world better. Actually, and
it turned out that they could. But there was a
consequence of that, and that was essentially the death of God,
which is what needs you was lamenting. And so now
we are in a position where it's like, Okay, well,
maybe the suffering it was bad, but maybe it had
a point.
Speaker 4: It always it always reached a peak though. I found
like if you look in like the Victorian era where
England especially was gripped with things such as alcoholism, and
it wasn't the change wasn't done through political means. It
was done through a spiritual aspect.
Speaker 1: Everyone talk about boring this lotus eater. This is like
a more like a quelude Eater podcast. It's like, oh, dude,
come on, man. Seems to happen throughout history.
Speaker 2: So the problem of approaching this with a theological argument
is that it presupposes that which Sentimes proved right. So
if that if it is the case that God does this,
I still have to establish the existence of God before
I can accept that premise.
Speaker 1: And if the quo so not aware of what the
transit argument is, it's not positing God's existence before proving it.
The argument is a paradigm level argument that without God
you couldn't ground the categories of knowledge.
Speaker 2: I like any any religious scholar should have been able
to dismantle that and say and say, look, you are
approaching this from the wrong perspective, because the argument about
God is necessarily transcendental, and so you can't find him
in the universe because he is necessarily extraneous to it.
Speaker 1: And yet Sam again, I think that's the part I
was looking for. He's confusing the transcendental argument with God
being transcendent. I think he might just be saying that
God is. He thinks that because God is transcendent, he's
not found in the universe like he's some sort of
object or being like some dude. But it's a both
and God is transcendent and imminent, and so I think
Sargon is just again, this is just like, it's just
really just Reddit level stuff. Honestly, I figured Sargona would
be a little more sophisticated.
Speaker 2: Paris has gone away with this for decades. This is
absolutely I mean, it's it's a category error at best,
and him being just deliberately obtuse at worst. Right, and
so does he actually know what religious scholars allowed them
to kind of get away with these things and somehow lose.
The argument is not.
Speaker 1: I overheard my elderly neighbor. He talks smack about you, Jay,
Why are you running from him? Because I'm terrified I
cannot debate anyone on the internet. The reality is that
I'm only scared of people with three hundred or three
thousand followers. That's the If you have a million followers,
I'm not scared. But secretly, I'm really scared of the
guys with two or three hundred followers. That's my real fear.
Speaker 2: It the risk of getting myself in trouble. It kind
of reveals the pasty of the religious argument based on again,
assuming what it sets out.
Speaker 1: Proof, I think a lot of people will just yeah,
they hear a British accent and they think they must
be smart. Like, but I think people are kind of
growing out of this right older sero, Like, if you
have a Southern accent, you're necessarily stupid. If you have
a British accent, you're necessarily sophisticated. Uh maybe that was
the case thirty years ago. People fell for that, But like,
I mean, I think we can we can hear and
detect pompous win back pretty quick now.
Speaker 2: And this not being persuasive to people who do not
already assume that case. And so this is why I
was being a little fedorative of that, because as an
atheist who would like Christianity to succeed.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is, as far as I'm aware,
I'm actually the only person except for Jim, Bob and
maybe Andrew, that actually consistently gives a place for anyone
to call in with any number of followers. You've got
people who have one follower that will call in on
my Twitter spaces. You've got people who have two hundred,
three hundred and four hundred thousand followers who call in
on the Twitter spaces. I give ample opportunity almost multiple
times a week for anyone who actually wants to debate
to call in and do so.
Speaker 2: That argument is not good enough.
Speaker 4: And I was going to say, do you think modern
secularism is failing to provide meaning or stability when it
comes to that? And is is that why people are
now looking back to faith in that respect?
Speaker 2: The worst part is it's not providing meaning, but it's
definitely providing stability. And the stability is worse, right, like
it would be better to have an unstable world in
which you had meaning than a stable world in which
you just want to kill yourself, Like for you know,
the tomorrow is going to be just like today, and
today was terrible, but you know tomorrow is going to
be just as terrible, and there's no reason to think
that after that would be any better. And so why
wouldn't you just kill yourself?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the argument that you know, if we're just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but look at this guy. That beer looks fake by.
Speaker 4: The way, lack of chemicals, then what is meaning? What
is We're just bumping into each other and existing.
Speaker 2: And that's the curse of secular modernity is that that's
all it's got to offer.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you, dude, Like
this is supposed to have the appearance of some high brow,
sophisticated intellectual conversation, and this is literally the equivalent of
equivalent of like a conversation that people had in my
freshman philosophy class. I mean, this is just so solo tier.
I don't even think there's much We don't really need
to even go any further. We're gonna move on to
the our boy JBP and his new tussle with Candace.
There's always a Candace v JBP event going on, and
I thought this was interesting because Sam Hide chimed in, Actually,
let me find Sam's tweet, so let me see what Sam.
Sam said. We'll talk about Francis a little bit too,
because I'm sure that most of the people in the
Piers Morgan audience right are not over here watching what
we talk about. So I'll give you guys a foretaste
of what my assessment of Francis is gonna be. Let
me find Sam's comment. Where is it at? Here we go?
So is this just a picture? What is this? I
thought this was a clip. I think there's a so
Sam said, I opened this up with Joe Jordan Peterson
on Joe Rogan immediately went to the part where he's
talking about people saying Crisis King is a narcissistic psychopathic thing.
Come on, man, hang it up already. I thought this
was actually the clip. It's not. Let's see Jordan Peterson's psychopaths.
Let's try this.
Speaker 5: Lization has enabled the psychopaths without a doubt. Yeah, well
without that's a terrible thing because the psychopathic types they're
always the death of everything. Like I'm seeing this come
up on the right now, so imagine, imagine this. I've
been working on a new a new theory of political psychopathology,
and I like it quite a lot.
Speaker 6: Is this.
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 1: I want to be super nuanced here because I think
there's a lot of different things going on, and I'm
going to list all the things I think are going on,
which you guys this audience, I'm sure you guys already
know what I think about. I think both Candace and
Jordan Peterson are wrong, but in different areas and in
different ways. So Peterson, really he's just constantly, unfortunately in
the last few years, a huge letdown. But I maintained
my same critique from the very beginning. I did a
video almost ten years ago critiquing Jordan Peterson's classical liberalism,
and if you go back and watch my almost ten
year old video, you'll notice that all the same things
that I talked about back then have played themselves out.
Although it looked like a year ago when Peterson via
Pago was beginning to say that there's problems in the Enlightenment,
that was exactly what I said in my ten year
old critique of Jordan Peterson and his classical liberalism, and
so I thought, well, maybe Jordan Peterson is moving in
our direction. Let me show you that video from almost
ten years ago. It might be eight or nine years,
I don't know. Eight years Jordan Peterson critiqued classical liberal
incoherence February twenty eighteen, so seven and so it's seven
years and two months. So we're not at a but
close enough. Right. By the way, you'll notice quite a
bit less carb bloat in a seven years, right. I
still have my weird stuff shirt though, or stay weird.
So what did I say seven years ago? Well, I
said the problem in Jordan Peterson's philosophy is classical liberalism,
and most of the things that he talks about will
be evident and refuted in time. People will begin to
see the issues. And I remember when I posted this video,
remember back before YouTube got rid of the thumbs down, right,
I remember this video had like eighty percent thumbs down, like,
you know, a few weeks after it being put up.
And this was you know, this was when Peterson was
like at his like rocket, you know, into first stardom level.
And the thing that's really annoying about these kinds of
phases and fads and whatnot. Is I don't think I
wasn't unfair in this video. I wasn't mean or I
wasn't I just basically critique the problems in classical liberalism
because I've been critiquing classical liberalism for a long time.
I've got specific critiques of it older than this video.
Back when we were on Tim Kelly's podcast, I was
all the time doing critiques of libertarianism, classical liberty. My
first debate is against Kocash, the libertarian. I'm critiquing classical
liberalism in the very first public debate I did with Cocash. Okay,
I've got over ten years of critiques online of libertarianism,
atomistic and individualism and classical liberalism, way way way back
on and on on okay, and I said in this
video all the main problems I would still say. And
I remember when this came out, I had an immediate
like hundreds of thumbs down and maybe twenty percent thumbs up.
So this was like a mega hated video. Now I
would say this video has flipped, not that it really matters,
but probably eighty percent thumbs up now twenty percent thumbs down.
I was correct in my assessment and critique seven years ago.
I'm still correct, and we're still dealing with classical liberal
Jordan Peterson. And what's unfortunate is that the classical liberal side,
as everyone can see, has definitely shied away from criticizing
the Middle East and countries in the Middle East and
things that begin with the letters Z. The classical liberal
James Lindsay Peterson right, they will not criticize the secular
nation state and ideology of Z. Why duh, it's not
that hard to figure out the daily wire, I mean,
come on, right. And it's also interesting that none of
the people from that side will debate it. At least
a postate profit will debate his position with Andrew and
with me. So that's one side of it, is the
classical liberal issues and the mistake that I see on
that side of things, and that's why they're so reticent
about admitting Christ is King, even if the phrase itself
is used by bad actors. So one thing I will
agree with Peterson on, which is not the majority of
this issue, but that there are and probably will be
fake crazed right wing people who will utilize this phrase
and do bad actor things. And probably are doing that
already on Twitter. But those might even be feds and bots.
We don't even know, right. The bot stuff that goes
crazy on Twitter all intended to do like agid prop stuff, right,
So that might be improbably is going on as well.
So I'm not totally conceding to agree with I'm not
agreeing with Lindsey's thesis overall. I am agreeing to the
point that you will have and can have bad actors
who are cut out, fake right wing things that will
engage in bad actions to make the bad the right
look bad, and they will use things like Christian nationalism
christ is King falsely that does exist and has existed.
I was telling people about Seaville that it looks like
a sus thing at the time, and people didn't listen,
and they say the conspiracy. Well, some of those people
are living their lives in jail the rest of their life.
So who was right? Ian Johnson five dollars German idealism
around two or orthodox boogaloo German idealism. Who do you
think is a proponent of German idealism? It certainly not me.
Cramasio one gift, Thank you, Inky, five dollars Jay, I
love your stream. I'd love to hear you talk about
Paisio's prophecies in the current geopolitical sphere. I don't have
much to say about that. I am familiar and have
heard of these prophecies. I just don't have any set
take or position on it. So I've also heard people debating,
you know, which ones are authentic. I don't have the
time or the ability to track down and verify what
are the real prophetic statements from elders. Now. I know
that we have a lot of people in the sphere
of tradcat geopolitically who like what we talk about, and
that's fine. So I am not agreeing with Jordan Peterson's
inability and lack of criticism of Middle Eastern countries and
the Big Z. But people on the right have to
stop being so stupid to be duped by. I'm not
talking about Nick, I'm not talking about big name people.
I'm talking about usually these little fed run groups are smaller.
They're like you know, discord groups, and they're the ones
that usually provoke people. That's what I'm talking about. I'm
not making a judgments or on anybody in the public sphere.
Don't have time to keep up with everybody's drama. We
do what we do, right. But when we get to
Candace's response, what I'd like to know is who is
Peterson talking about. I haven't watched this whole Joe Rogan interview.
Somebody said it is a reference to Nick. Somebody said, no,
it's a reference to Candace. Somebody said, oh, it's referencing everybody.
I don't know who he's referring to. So because I
haven't seen the podcast, so maybe in this full podcast
he actually explains, no, I mean Candace. I mean this
because when Candace replies, she says, Jordan Peterson means me, right.
But let's see what Peterson says here. The term the
woke right comes in.
Speaker 5: Yet, Well, Lindsey is pointing at that, but he hasn't
got he hasn't got the diagnosis exactly right.
Speaker 1: So it isn't whoa and James. Lindsay doesn't like Jordan Peterson, right,
Lindsey was going after Peterson and Pageo for like a year,
right like for or she me for for like a
month a year ago, so they I don't know, Like,
is Jordan Peterson wanting to cozy up to James Lindsay.
Now I don't get it. By the way, I've asked
James Lindsay to debate four times, three times, so he
won't debate, so the people in this sphere won't debate.
And that's another interesting tell, right, because I guess Dave
Smith debated Douglas Murray. Have you ever actually been inside
of George Clooney? How can you possibly speak about gelge
Clooney if you've not actually been inside George Clooney. I've
actually been in George Clooney because I'm a pompous, sophisticated
British and gay man. I mean, okay, I guess that
guy debated, and Dave Smith debated, But like no one
else in like, why wouldn't Ben Shapiro just debate Candice
Own with a moderator? Why won't Jordan Peterson just debate
Candison with a moderator? Seems like it would be really easy.
If these people are, you know, narcissistic psychopaths, should be
pretty easy to just refute them. But you notice what
happens is that people then are debating how bad a
person is. And debating how bad a person is is
a classic deflection away from actually debating the topics.
Speaker 8: That's not the issue.
Speaker 5: It's not exactly one level talking about is like similar
types of behavior. He is talking about that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he just lets you clarify in your head.
Speaker 7: Oh it's like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But the problem is absolutely. But the problem is is
that that argument is predicated on the claim that the
ideas are the problem, like the woke ideas for example,
on the right or the left. But that's not the problem.
The problem is that four to five percent of the
population something like that is cluster b that's the DSM
five terms histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic, or they have and
they have dark tetrad traits, they're machiavellian, they're sadistic. That's
about four percent, Okay. So the question is how do
these people maneuver And the answer is they go to
where the power is and they adopt those ideas and
they put themselves even on the forefront of that.
Speaker 1: Right. No, I would say that the Smith Murray conversation
was an informal debate. I mean they were clearly debating
and disagreeing over the topic. You can have an informal
and a formal debate. So I don't know why you
would say it's not. It wasn't a debate, it was
a conversation like whatever cool made up words dark tetrat
see some I thought it was a dark triad, but
I guess there's also a tetrads. What's the fourth characteristic?
So I think Peterson is referring to that paper, which
is actually a really good paper on virtuous victimhood and
the dark triad traits. Everybody should read that paper. It's
really good. Mud five dollars. Jays kryptonite is to run
from scarcely listened. I don't understand this comment. Oh, Jays
kryptonite is quote I've scarcely listened, scarcely listened to online
social media users. Jay's orthobroism will never be able to
contend with nihilism from Underscore three three one seven on YouTube. Yeah,
it's kind of silly, right, I mean, anybody wants to
make and just call in Ian Johnson ten dollars. Carl
Benjamin's questioning of the Enlightenment reminds me of German idealism. Well,
you know the thing about philosophers is that a lot
of philosophers are good at critiquing, but the area that
most philosophers fail is in their solutions. Usually I know
he's joking. I rather read it as a joke after
I read the end. Usually philosophers have just terrible answers
and solutions. That's a ninety percent of the time, because
they just want you to buy into their philosophy. Right,
Philosophers are good at spotting mistakes in the other person's position.
That's really what philosophy is. Go back to Plato's Apology.
Socrates is going around basically doing prese up on everybody
in Athens, and he pisses them off, right.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: Then the solutions that they offer, Oh you see, you
need to believe in my philosophy. Yeah, usually it's some terrible, horrible,
you know, tyrannical, god awful you know, Plato's republic superstate. Right,
we don't want that.
Speaker 5: The ideas are completely irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: All they're doing is they're the Pharisees. They're the modern
version of the Pharisees. They're the people who use God's
name in vain.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Is they proclaim moral virtue, Yes, doesn't matter whether it's
right or left, or Christian or Jewish or Islam. They
invade the ideas.
Speaker 1: So Peterson seems to be saying that the real problem
is the four percent who are completely screwed up psycho
people invading the space of the religious debate sphere or
the religious influence sphere, or religion itself or discourse sphere. Okay,
maybe there is this percentage of people who get into
but the problem. But the thing is, like, that's not
really who's running society and calling the shots. Yeah, you
can say narcissistic, psychopathic traits allow for moving up in
a cacistocracy or an oligarchy. Right, if you have those traits,
you will probably get into greater positions of power, being
a CEO, running an NGO, you know, running a foundation,
a thing tank, right, intelligence agencies. Right, you're probably going
to have those traits if you succeed in getting up
the ladder in this system and in our corrupt society.
But that has nothing really to do with which positions
are right or wrong. So Peterson's point in itself is correct.
But then he says, and this happens on the left
end the right, Well, if it happens on the left
end the right, then it's not a right wing problem.
So what's this thing about right wing narcissism, and that's
the real root of critiquing big Z power. Well, some
of the people who critique big Z power might have
narcissistic traits, but that has nothing to do with big
Z power, you see, that's a different topic space.
Speaker 5: And then they use that those ideas as false weapons
to advance their narcissistic advantage. And so then you have
the problem. And the right's going to face this more
and more, particularly because the Left had to face it
when they were in powers. How do you identify the
psychopathic parasites four percent of the population who are clothed
in your clothing and waving your flags, but who are
only in it for narcissistic benefit.
Speaker 1: I think I will say that a lot of people
are disagreeing with Peterson on this point about antis and
the big Z Right, and I agree that he's not
willing to criticize those things. But I do agree that
a lot of the people going around claiming Christ is
King don't actually live that or believe that that's true.
Uh So that's my take on that. Frankish melk do jay.
If James White finally cracks and just calls in as
a white beard out of the Blue. Would you what
would you bring up first with James White? Well, I
would probably bring up uh, you know, you guys know
I'm like a no beat around the bush, straight to
the point person right. I'm gonna bring up right away
like christology, essence energy. I'm gonna go right to the
I'm gonna go right to the things that I know
James White doesn't want to talk about. That's what I
would do. Weik almost three dollars. Oh my gosh, guys,
I mean, when are you gonna address blah blah blah channel?
What is with everybody? I'm not mad at Yogonomos, but
it's like today was gonna be the day where we
chill and we have fun and we joke around, and
then that's the day. Is when everybody sends in the
super chats and their quests. When are you gonna deal
with Protestant Channel blah blah blah that said that you're
a dumb dumbon, that you're mean, and that when guys
you don't have and this is gonna sound crazy, but
you don't actually have to address every person? Do you
know that? Did you know that not everybody is even
worth your time and worth addressing. I know this is
gonna sound crazy because a lot of us in our sphere,
myself included as a young man, we are naturally a
spurgy and we think you gotta refute every single person.
You gotta refute every single channel, every single argument, every
single dude or else you're scared, you're not doing your job.
You can't address it, dude, Not everybody has to be addressed.
In fact, and there was a guy who interestingly has
been bitching for a long time about me and us,
an Orthodox rapper, and he sent a message to a
mutual friend of ours who was arguing with him, and
he basically said, every time Jay mentions me, I get
attention and get I get it feeds me. You see.
So I'm actually doing a favor to the idiots with
tiny audiences, right, And they will even recognize people on meds,
people with psychosis who say that I mentioned Jay because
I know he'll talk about me, and I will. I
can get an attention currency out of that. That's, by
the way, part of the dark triad traits. Okay, the
guy admitted to another guy that he gets attention currency
out of attacking me cloud chasing exactly. Now, this is
a person admittedly on psychosis meds for his schizo effective disorder.
Why is anyone even listening to this person on the
internet at all? Jumanji called you out. He has six
million followers. Oh shit, oh shit, Aristotle THI dog, I'm
done for it, bro, I'm done for Yes, I got
I know what Jumanji is. You don't have to address
every goober dude, And this guy says, when are you
going to address the Ancient Paths channel the failure of Orthodoxy?
Thank you, God bless you. I'm not dissing you, but
it's just like you don't have to address every single video,
by the way, you could never even do it right,
Like you could never address every whining, complaining channel about
why Orthodoxy is not true and I had a bad
experience and blah blah, lean two dollars skivity toilet skivity
fortnite toilet is exactly That's what I'm talking about. That's
what I want to talk about tonight. Storm of the
Cats and dollars. Jordan Peterson sounds like a Bolshevik propagandist,
because anyone who disagrees is a has some psychological illness. No,
I actually agree with Candace's retort, that was her point, right,
her retort to this thing with Jordan, because Candace says,
Jordan's talking about me. Because Candace has been arguing with
Mikaela and Jordan for a good while now. And if
you saw on Peers, I think right. So Peers had
Candace and Michaela on and Mikayla says, you went after
us unfairly because my dad had an addiction. Blah blah blah.
Candace replies by saying that what Jordan says doesn't make sense.
You can't literally stay up for twenty eight days in
a row. Jordan Peterson double down asserts, no, I actually
stayed up for twenty eight days. Beguinness Book World record
is like eleven days. It doesn't make sense. Jordan Peterson
says that apple cider caused them to have a mental breakdown.
I mean it's just weird, right. I'm not saying that
I have the same gut issues as Jordan. So I
understand the gut issues and I did carnivore diet because
of them. So yes, eating the wrong thing with bad
gut issues can mess you up for several weeks. I
don't know about staying up for twenty eight days. But anyway,
that's their dispute. So I don't know what to make
of that. But what do you guys think of Jordan's
comment there? And then let's see the response that I
saw was it today's show?
Speaker 9: Here, don't leave your free up a chance.
Speaker 1: So we'll listen to a little bit of what she
says about what I'm talking about right here. Now. This
is interesting because it's all like, all this stuff is
really coming to a head in the culture. And that's
what's crazy, right, because people are like, like X has
opened the door. Whether you agree with it or not,
or whether you like X or whatever or Elon or whatever,
it doesn't matter. Like the debate has now shifted to
these topics, and if you've got Tim Dillon and you've
got Joe Rogan, you know, talking about these tops topics,
allowing a debate discussion at a mega level, whether you
like Dave Smith or not. By the way, I think
Andrew went won the debate with Dave Smith, right. I've
been asking, trying to get a debate with with Dave
Smith for a long time, and I don't think that's
I mean, I know he's not a philosophy guy, But
like it's important to stress the point of again, classical
liberalism is just not good enough. Man. It doesn't get
us where we want to go. It's just not enough.
It's a negative rights, negative liberty negative position. Literally, it's
classical libertarian. Leave me alone, dude, Just let me have
my drugs and my combs. Man, Like, that's not enough.
You can't have a functioning, healthy society with that storm
the cat ten dollars, Jordan, sounds like you already read
that cool bear coud of three dollars. I bought your
Meta Aeritis book. I thought I knew you were smart. Dang,
I'm definitely going to earn ridges in my smooth brain. Well,
that's essays, so you know they're written to be kind
of introductory essays. So I think you're going to enjoy that. Now,
let's see, where's the I listened to about half of
this show, so I'm trying to find the good points here.
So okay, so here this here is she She argues
that Jordan went kooky in the debate with Sam Harris,
and somehow I never saw this part. I don't know
how I missed.
Speaker 9: Boozing it on the audience because they applauded.
Speaker 1: Somehow I missed this point. I don't remember this point,
and I thought I watched all the Peterson Harris debate.
Do you guys remember this point?
Speaker 10: Something that Sam Harris said back in twenty eighteen when
he pressed him on the topic of his own religion.
Speaker 9: Take a listen.
Speaker 11: What I fear about the way you talk about religion
is that at the end of all these conversations, I'm
still not sure what you believe on that point, frankly,
and if I'm not sure, no one out there is.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember that? I mean, maybe it's probably
been four years since I went through. I thought we
watched all the Peterson Harris debates, so maybe we did.
Maybe I did hear that? Now. This is interesting because
Jordan later says that the reason that he got so
upset at that point was because of this apple cider
meltdown gut issue. Right, He claims, Uh, I mean.
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know why.
Speaker 5: I don't know why you would expect to be sure
about what someone believes. How do you think that any
one of you are capable of fully articulating what you believe?
Speaker 7: You certainly aren't.
Speaker 1: Now this is a rare fair question via Sam Harris.
I'm not a Sam Harris fan, but this was actually
a decent fair question for Sam Harris to ask Jordan Peterson.
There was nothing unfair here. He just asked, I'm not
sure what Jordan Peterson believes about God or theism. And
then Jordan Peterson said, who among you is really sure
about what you believe?
Speaker 12: What?
Speaker 1: Like? That's not even what Harris asked. And I'm definitely
no Harris fan. In fact, when we reviewed the Peterson
Harris debates, I typically thought that Jordan Peterson pretty much
demolished Harris.
Speaker 7: It's completely ridiculous.
Speaker 5: You're not transparent to yourself by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 7: You act out all sorts of things that you can't articulate.
Speaker 11: But how about a best guest.
Speaker 1: Actually that I mean, this was a fair question from
Sam Harris. Well, give me your best guess as to
what you actually mean about God or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, if you look, let's go all cognitive
neuroscience on this shell.
Speaker 7: What's we ninety nine percent of your process and he's
unconscious you're not.
Speaker 1: It's almost like he got mad and sort of like
turned to the audience to say.
Speaker 8: You know how superior I am to you. Let's go
cordinative neuroscience of about ninety nine thousand IQ better than
all of you.
Speaker 1: It's like he's getting mad, right because they clapped at
a fair question.
Speaker 7: Capable of articulating yourselves?
Speaker 8: You're not even capable of talking? Were you duping monkey people?
Speaker 7: But don't give me any nonsense about that?
Speaker 10: But nonsense, all right, Okay, don't give him any nonsense
about that. Don't ask him to clarify what he believes
in the topic of religion while he's debating the topic
at any rate.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think this was a fair point. And then
she goes on to say that when Peterson went on
Joe Rogan, he explained that he had the gut issues,
and the gut issues will mess you up for many days.
Speaker 13: But this is what he says, and I noticed was
that when we restricted our diet and then ate something
we weren't supposed to, the reaction to eating what we
weren't supposed to was absolutely catastrophic.
Speaker 1: Did what did you switch to? Or what did you eat?
Speaker 14: Rather?
Speaker 5: Well, the worst response, I think we're allergic to or
allergic whatever the hell this is having an inflammatory response
to something called sul fights. And we had some apple
cider that had sull fights in it, and that was
really not good. Like, I was done for a month.
That was the first time I talked to Sam.
Speaker 1: Here again, I just apple cider for a month. I mean,
I have pretty bad gut issues, and if I eat
something really wrong or about from my gut, it will
mess me up for maybe a week, maybe ten days,
I could see, you know, but a month. You were
done for a month.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it took me out for a month.
Speaker 7: It was awful, really yeah, yeah, so I would.
Speaker 1: Say, and so this is right before, by the way,
not apple cider vinegar. Don't misunderstand apple cider, not apple
cider vinegar.
Speaker 5: This whole truth conversation with Sam Harrison got struck in
the mud during I think the day I talked to
Sam was like the worst day of my life. Not
because of talking to Sam, but it was just physics.
Oh Jesus, I was so dead, but I didn't want
to not do it.
Speaker 7: That's whole cider, Like, what was it doing?
Speaker 1: What was it doing to you?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 5: It produced an overwhelming sense of impending doom. And I've
seriously been overwhelming, Like, there's no way I could have
lived like that if that would have lasted for see
Mikaela k Newman.
Speaker 1: Now, it's true that when you mess up your gut,
that will definitely affect your psychology and your mood, right,
because the gut is another brain, right, there's the gut brain,
you know, nexus and all that. The guts like your
second brain, and it can definitely you know, a bad die.
Bad food can absolutely mess you up, you know, emotionally,
it can make you totally screwed up. That's why my view, like,
I've never been pro pill, pro pharma, totally against all
pharma stuff, which is ironic because what a JBP say
in his book, right, be sure to take your mids right.
Speaker 5: By that point that it would probably only last a month,
And I was.
Speaker 8: Like a month, ye a month, cider.
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't sleep that month. I didn't sleep for
twenty five days. I didn't sleep at all. I didn't
sleep at all for twenty five days.
Speaker 8: How is that possible? I'll tell you how.
Speaker 1: It's So wait, if it's a month, and that would
be twenty eight to thirty days, So wait, he said,
you say twenty eight days, So that would be twenty
eight days, but or twenty five days of no sleep
three days of sleep within that span, so one day
of sleep a month, I mean possible.
Speaker 5: You lay in bed, frozen in something approximating terror for
eight hours and then you get up.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh yeah, and this is from cider.
That's what we thought.
Speaker 10: Yeah, oh, I mean, I'm not an expert. I just
know that apple cider is just an apple. It's just
an apple being juiced, and they don't add anything to it.
It's just an apple. And I have never prior to
that discussion heard of that sort of a reaction. Now,
this conversation, I'm not an expert, but it's just an
apple station, to be clear, took place in twenty eighteen, okay,
and then shortly thereafter, the official storyline got even more confusing.
Or people that were fans of Jordan Peterson I counted
myself among them. Officially, the public was told that Jordan
had entered various rehabs from Toronto to New York to Russia.
Speaker 1: And then I think it came out that it was meds,
that he'd been prescribed or whatever. I'm not making a judgment,
I don't I'm not saying anything about anybody's personal medical
I don't get into like personal drama stuff. It's not
my thing. But it reminds me too. Then of this
is what led to the drama between Candace and Mikayla
on Pierce This, did you guys see this?
Speaker 8: I'm gonna bring these two together. Candace owns host of
the Candace Punk Cut, So.
Speaker 1: Those were a couple of months ago, and this is
the ongoing drama over this issue of the spat. Candace
calls out Mikayla on immigration wise knowledge.
Speaker 10: But to be clear, the program has been around since
nineteen ninety.
Speaker 9: So the results aren't up for debate.
Speaker 1: We were just simply by the way I have to say.
I mean, I think in the topic, like on the topics,
I think I don't think Mikhaela is going to win
on the topics.
Speaker 10: Lied to about what we were told it was going
to do, which was to source the top one percent
of talent globally. Instead they're using the program to source cashiers, teachers, janitors,
pr people. So I'm going to have to believe that
the American people are very much capable and willing to
fulfill those positions and that instead this program has been
completely abused to get foreign workers here who then have
a pathway to citizenship, and it lowers worker wages.
Speaker 8: And don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It's pedetle Cliff. Now this is the drama part from that.
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't sleep that month. I didn't sleep for
twenty five days. I didn't sleep at all. I didn't
sleep at all for twenty five days.
Speaker 8: How is that possible? I'll tell you how it's possible.
Speaker 5: You lay in bed, frozen in something approximating terror for
eight hours and then you get up.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh yeah, this is some cider.
Speaker 9: I feel like Joe Rogan is all of us.
Speaker 10: I'm listening to that and it doesn't pass the sniff test.
I'm just going, wait, apple cider, you didn't sleep for
how long? What are you talking about? He brings up Mikaela,
by the way, that's his daughter. Were going to get
into it. That explanation does not make sense to me whatsoever. Again,
I'm not a doctor. I'm not claiming to know how
everybody's body reacts to apple cider. But I just don't
think that you wouldn't sleep for that long because of it.
Speaker 8: Okay, did an attack.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll come to you a moment, Candace, because of
how did you feel when you when you heard about that?
Speaker 15: Well, I think it's funny because like we're connected online, Candice.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't sound like an ad hominem attack. I mean,
maybe she threw in a joke or something, but that
isn't calling into question someone's account of this event, isn't
That's not really an ad hominem attage.
Speaker 15: It's an issue with my family. She could literally just
message me. Her husband has my husband's phone number, you know.
So it's just like a weird thing to do. I
don't know where it came from. As for the apple
cider reaction, I've gone over this so many times, but
I can like it's fair if Candace didn't know this,
Although I don't know why you would make a twenty
six minute video without doing some research. It wasn't apple cider.
It was a sodium meta by sulfide allergy and it
was near anaphull axis and people don't sleep in that state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jordan Peterson said that it was apple cider.
Speaker 15: So and when we went through that, which was horrible,
it was horrible. We had a hard time with medical system.
We didn't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think Candace's point, as you guys
are saying in the chat, right, is that Jordan went
into rehab after this, so it seems like that might
have been was really going on and not apple cider.
Speaker 15: How to treat it. It took us like years to
figure out what the allergy was. If you talk to
a doctor and say you have that allergy, they go,
what's that Like? It's not a common allergy, but it's
not uncommon. You can google it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not accusing. I don't think
Jordan Peterson has done anything morally wrong. If he had
an addiction or if he was prescribed something and the
you know, the the pharma stuff, you know, messed him up.
I have never been a fan of pharma stuff, So
I'm not even saying that I think Peterson did something
immoral or whatever. It's just it's just a weird series
of events. It's bizarre, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 15: It just seems a little bit cruel to like pull
that up. You also started that video by saying, you
know why is Jordan Peterson's audience male audience like diminishing.
Let's get into it, which is just it's manipulative, right,
It's not true.
Speaker 1: Well, it is true that when he makes certain comments
he does get ratio nowadays, and majority replies are the
opposite of what he's saying, and I don't recall that
happening back in the day.
Speaker 15: Right, you have this giant audience, Candace, and you say
these things as if they're true, which confuses people when
they're not. So like, I don't know what to say
about it. It's aggravating, and I think it's a mean
girl high school tactic.
Speaker 1: Okay. One thing I will say is like some of
the topics that Candace covers and focuses on I don't
really care about, like Blake Lively. I mean, I know,
I understand she's covering it because it's media and it's
popular stuff like and I mean the Macron stuff. It's like, okay, yeah,
probably that's could happen. But I just like, to me,
those things aren't big deals. I mean, they're they're not
like lead stories. Maybe they get a lot of clicks
and attention, which that's just how media works. But but
I don't think she's so far. I've seen her be
pretty well researched and when she does these debates, Candace,
you're amano or should I say, when she does these
topics again? By the way, this is going to be
funny too. Like, I don't know what to expect Monday.
I have no idea. I mean, we can thank our
great Lord Yakoub right because he's created us white people
to serve Queen Candace right. But it'll be funny if
if Monday, uh, you know, we get a panel, and
I mean I just can't wait to see who the
panel's going to be. It's going to be exciting. I mean,
I have no idea. You know, they don't tell you.
So it's going to be exciting if we've got like
I mean, it's supposed to be about Papa Frank, right,
and if we get Papa Frank, I mean, if we
get that, if we get Papa Frank defenders, I mean,
it's gonna be a blast, right. I mean it could
be like who knows, they might be like me, uh,
somebody liberal criticizing Francis and then like a Francis champion,
you know what I mean. Like, I have no idea
who it'll be. It's gonna be wild, though, So I
don't know if it's a segment or like a full
you know, episode, panel episode of Sassin in each Other
And y'all know I can go a full forty five
minutes a sass, right, y'all know that? Right? Y'all ready
for a forty five minute sas fest on Piers Morgan,
that's gonna be wild.
Speaker 10: Accusing me about homine attacks when I feel like she's
engaging in them. Just to be clear and to contextualize
this clip, Jordan Peterson was trending, I cover trends, I
cover the news, and I think it's fair to cover
topics when they come to the surface. He was essentially
tweeting ad homin attacks that were written like sonnets.
Speaker 9: It was very bizarre and people.
Speaker 1: Were going, that is an odd thing. Right. Peterson does
these poems where he goes after people critiquing the insuls
in their mom's basement or what. It's just it's kind
of weird, like if you disagree, you know, if you're following,
if you follow a fuenttest, you're you know, living in
your mom's basement or whatever. Like he does these in
a day. He writes it like a poem. It is weird, and.
Speaker 10: What's going on with doctor Jordan Peterson, and it became
a Twitter trend and so I covered it. Is there
something wrong with covering a trending topic? I certainly don't
think there is, or I wouldn't have a podcast for
things to speak about. Regarding the hit your Father's audience,
there were a lot of people who app oh, man.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if it was scam scam shamou William
Albrecht and then me and somebody else on the panel.
That's a little too whild. I don't think that would
be I don't think that's the I mean it would
be funny. I'll let this, I'll let the.
Speaker 7: Poop.
Speaker 1: The monkey poop will be flying if that happened, right,
roll Stakes became a member for thirteen months. What did
you already cover Doves flying at the Vatican? No? I
did not. Doves flying at the Trackcats are going full
soyface with doves flying at the Vatican. Man, Rob mcallacs man,
you guys love like this. The goofiest just damn omens
and shit, which means absolutely nothing. It's so supid, like
doves flying at them. Now, I gotta see what it is.
Let's let's go to X doves flying. So what is
that supposed to mean? Like, oh, Francis is flapping his
way into heaven. But why would uh trad cats like that?
Trad cats would should hate Francis doves? Vatican? Here we go.
What is this supposed to mean? By the way, you'll
notice like when, uh, when when lightning struck the Vatican
a few years ago? Right, all the tradcats, it's a
sign from God. The lightning struck the Vatican. Oh wow,
A bunch of birds fly over the Vatican. Oh, it's
a sign. It's a sign that Francis is what in heaven?
What the heck is that supposed to mean? Hundreds of
it doesn't even say doves. Hundreds of white birds fly
over Saint Peters Square. Wow, it's there. You go, a
proof that you know, because alicism is true, There you go.
I mean, imagine basing your religion on the stupid shit
like this. This is no wonder. People are struggling after.
Speaker 10: His addiction and feeling like he was not honest about
his addiction. A lot of men who sort of switched
off from Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 9: I mean that is just a fact.
Speaker 1: Now this is an interesting I mean, Candice went right
for the jugular here right with like, oh, well, you know,
it turns out seems like Jordan was actually struggling with
addiction and covered it with an irritable bowel syndrome apple
diarrhea story.
Speaker 10: Understand and respect that it is your father, and so
you're naturally going to be defensive of him, and if
it was a found member of mine, I would naturally
be defensive of him.
Speaker 1: It looked like seagulls, so now seagulls are doves.
Speaker 10: But to pretend like I plucked the topic out of cure,
out of pure air simply to be a mean girl,
and not because it was trending, literally saying that people
are wondering what's going on with Jordan Peterson. I think
that's you not being very genuine about why I was
discussing it. And I think that I was tremendously respectful.
I also paid him a huge.
Speaker 1: I would have to say that out of debating. You know,
I have again, I have some critiques of Candace. I
think that probably for female debaters, there's not many of those.
She might be the best debater for female debaters, but
there's not even that many female debaters. But she's a
pretty good debater. She kind of seems like a law girl,
you know, like a lawyer chick, you know what I mean.
But I will say that in this discussion, and Mikayla
actually held up pretty good under this sort of interrogation.
Here you'll see what.
Speaker 9: I mean, compliment.
Speaker 10: I think his book and what it did for men
worldwide at a time when men were being completely stomped
on and masculinity was being questioned, And I said, I
would never remove that and would never take the credit
away from him. But there have been some things that
have just registered to the public as odd. I didn't
make your father trend that day, so I think he's
able to deal with a little bit of criticism.
Speaker 15: You want to respond, mckenneth, I guess I'm just confused
because Candace said she wasn't into celebrity culture. So then
I thought maybe it was just a personal thing if
it's not about a celebrity. But maybe I just got
that wrong.
Speaker 1: That is interesting because if you're not into celebrity culture,
you wouldn't be covering celebrities. But then so I think
that's actually a fair point. But Candace is arguing, well,
I'm not covering celebrities I'm covering whatever's trending that day.
Speaker 15: I don't know what else I can respond about that.
People can listen to can I can I finish? Thank you?
People can listen to the twenty six minute like you
can say, oh, I said something nice at the end.
It's the same thing. When you say these things and
your tone is off, you can be like, oh, tone
doesn't matter, but you.
Speaker 1: I mean, MICHAELA was actually making a good point there
and then going into tone as just such weak sauce, like,
come on, let's not everybody knows. And when you start
debating the tone, it's because you don't really want to
address the issues.
Speaker 15: Say things sometimes in a bit of a manipulative fashion
to get people to think a certain way, and then
when people bring them up, you go, well, those aren't
the words I said. But tone matters too. Anyway. People
can go on YouTube and listen to the twenty sixth
minute section of your video on Dad and see what
they think. I think it's high school mean girl tactics.
I don't care if you think that's ad hominem either.
Speaker 1: That was a pretty u I mean, it was a
little weak sauce with the tone, but like and then
she's sitting like this, right, So if we do this
like that low tier body language shit, right, Like Michalo
seems pretty sand offish, and Candas just seems like a
ferocious lawyer in this situation, right, Like it's almost like
a I don't know, like a politician staring you down
or something.
Speaker 10: Well, I would just say that when I was referring
to celebrity culture, I meant worshiping people because they're celebrities.
So I think that would make me ideologically consistent. And
like I said, he was trending that day. I covered
it as a trending topic. It's not a mean girl thing,
but it might feel that way to you because it's
your father and you have a personal relationship. You know,
if you are hurt from me covering the news. But
like I said, we have to develop a thicker skin
when we're in the public.
Speaker 9: How many things, I mean, the.
Speaker 1: Canvas isn't just covering the news, right, She clearly had
a position that is not just an objective covering of
the news. This actually a position that you know, your
dad is not probably not being honest about the situation,
So it's more than just covering the news.
Speaker 10: Are said about me routinely on a daily basis. If
people want to cover after I have, you know, an addiction,
and and people say, hey, after this, I think people
lost faith in Candice Owens and that becomes a trending topic.
I think that's fair game. It may not feel good
to me, but I think that it would be fair
game and it would be newsworthy.
Speaker 15: Okay, you do know that one fifth of Americans are
on psych mads, right are you?
Speaker 1: By the way, again, totally off topic, but to my
point earlier about psychotic people in America, Yeah, like what
almost a fourth of the country is on insane psychomeds.
I mean, we're living in a damn dystopian, brave New
World nightmare where a fourth of the country almost is
like literally on psycho meeds. So remember this. When you're
dealing with people in public, you're actually dealing with pretty uh.
I mean one and four of the people you're dealing
with is insane David five dollars or they're insane from
the meds David five dollars. Imagine peers in his underwear.
If you get nervous, I'll be honest with you, like,
I'm not that nervous about Peers himself. I want I'd liked,
I want to navigate soul and charybdis because Peers is
I think some kind of Catholic or he professes to
be Catholic, So I don't. I can't go like super
you know, insane on on Francis. I gotta I gotta
be careful or they just will never have me back, right,
But I also want to be you know, sassy and
spicy in order to give a good you know, a
bunch of retorts to the retorts that I'm going to
be arguing with. I have no idea who's coming on.
It could be it could be a Catholic priest, could
be bishop, but what if it's Bishop Baron? Dude? Oh
what if I get the debate Bishop Baron? I mean,
I have no idea who'll be on there. So it
could be Tim Gordon, it could be Michael Knowles, who knows.
There's no telling.
Speaker 15: Right where of the statistics, yes, are those all people
with attection?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 15: Is that your is that your view of people on
psych meds? Just in general?
Speaker 1: That was an interesting technique, so it sounded like MICHAELA
was trying to turn the audience against Candice because michaela
is saying almost a fourth of population is on meds?
Are you saying that everyone on meds is like some
kind of attic? Is that where she's going to say,
he's trying to turn the audience.
Speaker 9: Against her fair game?
Speaker 10: It may not feel good to me, but I think
that it would be fair game and it would be newsworthy.
Speaker 8: Okay, you do know that.
Speaker 15: One fifth of Americans are on psych meds, right? Are
you aware of the statistics?
Speaker 14: Yes?
Speaker 15: Are those all people with at action?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 15: Is that your is that your m That was a little.
Speaker 1: Bit of a So I'm gonna say Mikayla's point here
was actually manipulative. She's trying to manipulate the audience to
be against what Candace is saying because she said, you
understand that a large portion of the audience is on meds?
Are they all addicts? In other words, hey, in the audience,
you should be mad at her for this is an
emotional appeal.
Speaker 15: View of people on psychmds, just in general.
Speaker 1: Emotional appeals of fallacy.
Speaker 10: By the way, No, your your father spoke out about
his Benzo addiction, So I don't understand why you're asking
you Nobo Benzo attendance.
Speaker 1: Uh, what's so there's now some psycho term difference between
addiction and dependence. I mean, this is getting we're playing word.
Speaker 15: Games, Benzo dependence. Maybe you don't know anything about this.
If you're on a psych med long term, you form
a dependence on it and it's very difficult to get
off of. They're starting to teach this in medical school.
It's a disaster because so many Americans are on psych meds. So, yeah,
he suffered from psych med withdrawal because they, like, they
make you form a dependence on it, especially long term. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, now wait a minute. I mean Peterson in his
book originally was saying take your meds. So has he
reversed his position.
Speaker 15: On this, calling it an addiction as if he was
on heroin or something is manipulative.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not manipulative. If that's most people's understanding and
usage of the term addiction, right. A lot of people,
for example, are prescribed painkillers after an accident, and then
they form an addiction to the painkiller and they're not
it's a there's no moral fault on the part of
the person because they ended up having this negative effect
that they didn't intend to have. From taking the prescribed
pain relievers, right, So it's kind of unfair to say
that it's necessarily negative. We do oftentimes think of addiction
as negative, but it's not necessarily that, right, as if
there's some moral flaw. So this is kind of getting
a little more manipulative on the part of Michaela.
Speaker 15: I think, you know, so when we talked about it
and we were very honest about what was going on,
part of it was to spread awareness that fifth of
Americans are on medications that cause dependence and don't know it.
It's horrible people die because of it.
Speaker 1: So this is I think Mikaela's this is actually kind
of clever from a from an optics standpoint. I don't
agree with the approach that Mikhaela has, but she's actually
being pretty clever or to try to get an emotional
connection with the audience against Candace, I think that's what
she's doing here.
Speaker 15: I think laughing about it is.
Speaker 1: Like it's, yeah, these are emotional appeals, right, and emotional
apeals are very effective, but they're fallacies.
Speaker 15: Just it's not cool.
Speaker 10: I certainly don't think I laughed at it. I think
Benzo dependence is pretty much a euphemism for an addiction,
and if you know anything about my work, that's being
super crunchy and speaking.
Speaker 1: About I mean Mikaela fussing over the word dependency versus addiction.
This comes off as weak.
Speaker 10: Why I think medicines are bad because they do create dependencies,
which then yields people going onto the streets for something stronger.
I mean, the benzo addiction becomes a heroin addiction because
the doctor won't write you the prescription anymore, so you
turn the streets for something stronger because you're.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you guys think? This is looking
like a little a little rough here, chargey five dollars.
I don't like listening to women in polemics. It's like
when women are trying to be boss babes.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it'd be nice if we had, you know, guys
being guys in running society. What are you going to do?
It is what it is. Look, I'll take, you know,
somebody at least making good arguments, whether it's male or female.
Although I'd like to be the you know, guy making
the arguments with the audience. But maybe one day we'll
get to that. We'll see NB. Five dollars. Anyone remember
the part of Maps of Meaning where Peterson says that
he had a wet dream about his grandmother. I've heard this.
I've not read this book, but I've heard this. See
fy eight five dollars. I've finished reading Reflections of Russian Statement.
I recommend the book by the way. I'm reading through
Liberty or Quality by Leaden, but I'm needing more book
recommendations on monarchism. Thank you. I don't know that many
books on that, so I'm not sure what to tell you.
Storm the Cat three dollars. Their voices are annoying. I'm
actually having a good time, like analyzing kind of the
tactics here, because debates at this level of media and
you know, for us, for our audience, we are more
advanced in terms of debate proper. But for Normies and
for the rest of the world, this is what debate is, right.
It's like them watching optics and performance, not listening to
and analyzing the arguments being made. And I would venture
to say probably for ninety percent of the public and
people that are out there, I mean, just think about
how politics works. Politics has nothing to do with logic
and reasoning. It's all performance looks it's all pizazz, smoking
mirrors and like two percent actual policies. And so we
can watch an exchange like this, which is actually kind
of interesting from the standpoint of like who is using
what technique here? You know, I mean, we've analyzed tons
of debates. This one is really no different because it
looked to me like Mikayla started out by saying, Candace,
you're really manipulative, But as this discussion progressed, the actual
manipulation technique was much more on the side of Mikayla
than it was Candace. In this discussion.
Speaker 9: Body is dependent on it.
Speaker 10: I'm sorry that again, you are offended by this conversation
simply because it is your father.
Speaker 9: I don't think I've been offensive in my language.
Speaker 10: And if you find it to be manipulative, that I
think that it impacted the way that By.
Speaker 1: The way, somebody said, it's all theater, I mean in
that sense. Yeah, like like media politics, it's a lot
of theatrics, right if you remember. But they were saying,
remember when Obama got elected and they were doing these
studies and they'd written all these analyzes that when they
talked to you know, the average woman, why they voted
for Obama, and it was like, because he talked and
looked so smooth, Like, we what do they have to
do with whether he's a good presidential candidate? Right, So
like it has nothing to do with you know, what's
really the case?
Speaker 10: Ben saw him When they publicly were saying that on Twitter,
we covered the tweets that people were writing on that
day about how you know they used to idolize him.
They're so grateful ally his book, but this is not
the person that they knew. Again, I'm sorry you're offended
by that, but it's just the reality of what happened.
And I can tell this is a sensitive topic for you,
but it is what it is. Michael, I don't know
what to say. I don't think anybody's anybody's laughed at it.
I think it's a good conversation to be had. And
no one is more anti big Pharma than me. I mean,
I have an entire series against big Pharma.
Speaker 15: So I don't even know where to start with that.
You know, Benzo addicts will go.
Speaker 1: By the way. I'm not saying that Candace can't engage
in the same types of techniques, right, I'm just saying
in this discussion. So you can disagree with me on
this assessment if you want, It's fine. H Brosey ten
dollars on your next space. I want to call in
and detail the insane interaction I have with a bunch
of men who literally told me that they don't care
about logic in the argument and they used an ad
popular on me. Well yeah, man, like, if you're in
the normy world, they're not going to listen. They don't
care about logic. Melan Kisner five dollars. If Candace is
playing the role of a shark, Mikayla is the fox.
Mikayla is actually more manipulative. I'm just talking about in
this discussion.
Speaker 15: To the street for a heroine. There's just we were
trying to spread awareness about psych med withdrawal, and we
were very honest about what everybody was going through. I
went through psych med withdraw myself. It was one of
the worst ex my life. It kills people, causes acathesia,
which gets makes people suicidal. It's a terrible side effect.
So that's what we were talking about.
Speaker 1: Now, if you want, okay, well, but I mean then
Jordan Peterson needs to say that you know he was
wrong when he said in his first book.
Speaker 10: Take your marriage to treat Benzo addiction. That's what we
were told by the press, the New York Post and
New York Times, his twelve rules at tour.
Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to get to the point about the
psychopaths or whatever.
Speaker 10: And he called the a pharosyacal pretender. This is a
real tweet because I said, Crisis King. This is the
one that Crisis King has broken so many people.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I didn't see this tweet, so this actually
was about her. So so Peterson is saying that she's
the phariseical pretender. She proclaims her devotion for no other
reason than to elevate elevate her perceived status. Her outrage
is a design not to shout the truth, but build bridges,
not to shout to the roots about rivers or make peace.
But it's a burt Christianity with the new force her
own purposes. She uses God's name in vain. There are
few more unforgivable sins. So let's hear her reaction to
That's a pretty pretty spicy comment there.
Speaker 15: It was brains.
Speaker 9: It's amazing, it's incredible.
Speaker 10: Why the declaration that Crisis King has broken tony people's brains.
Speaker 9: I wasn't even speaking to him. I was speaking of
somebody else, and I.
Speaker 10: Said, thank you for re upping this most crucial conversation
about christ Is King. Almost exactly a year later, and
once again during the season of Lent, after a year
of thoughtfulness. I want you to know, but I will
never stop declaring it now.
Speaker 1: One thing I have to say about Candace is that,
wait a minute, didn't you choose roma Catholicism you become
a trad cat. That's the huge mistake that you made,
because the very people that you're criticizing, all the big
Z pretty sure Francis and the Vatican to Papacy are
one percent bowing down and worshiping those people. Why would
you choose to become a trad cat if you have
a committed opposition to big Z?
Speaker 9: Here hmmm interesting if I think about that tweet, keep
that back up.
Speaker 10: Anything about me saying that make you think that someone
should be jumping in and calling you a pharisyacal portender, Well,
that's what doctor Jordan Peterson does on X is how
he behaves on X. Okay, there's this long threads of
him writing these like poetry, like literally, it reads like poetry,
but he's calling people names.
Speaker 1: Debate Elijah. Uh. We tried to tell Elijah to come
and debate at the Vegas debate that UBI is doing.
I don't think he has any interest in that. And
then I asked. I told Elijah he's welcome to hop
on a open space at any time. He doesn't want
to do that. He says that he must have a
formal debate with a moderator, so he wasn't interested in
the in person debate that presumably would have a moderator
because it's moderated between UBI and Voice of Reason, which
I'll might be at in person. And then Elijah says
he's too good for an open space call in, and
he demands a moderator. I don't owe him a moderator
if he doesn't want to call in. My policy has
always been, if you've got a low number, low subscriber count,
we don't know who you are, you barely have an audience.
I don't owe you a formal debate. And if you
think that's running, then call in on the open space. No,
I'm not going to do that because I need a moderator.
I mean, I can give you a timed response. No,
I deserve a moderator because I'm actually really.
Speaker 10: Important at how many attacks? He writes Candice Owens a
true farcycle pretender.
Speaker 1: By the way, the day that I was sending the
x space or talking to Elijah Yassi and another dude
about an open space debate, they literally sat there for
like twenty minutes debating me in the DMS about debates
and how debates should work. And I'm like, I'm not
going to debate you on debates. You can call in
on my space or UBI can set up something right,
which UBI was talking to Yasi about coming and debating
at the live event. That's it, man, don't I'm not
gonna sit. I don't owe everyone with three thousand followers
of debate.
Speaker 10: Again, this is a guy who is not asserted that
crisis anything in his life. He is not baptized, and
he gets angry and people push him on what his
religion is. She vociferously proclaims sort of votion to Christ
for no other reason than to elevate her perceived status.
Her outrage is design not to shout the truth from
the rooftops, but to build bridges or make peace. But
to subvert Christianity itself with its new force to her
own purposes. She's literally using gods.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, the problem with these kinds of things
is that this just always turns into people arguing about motives,
and that's like the most weak ass way to totally
leave and deflect from a debate. I mean, we saw
leather Daddy Albrecht and scam Shamou do the exact same
thing two weeks ago. They'll go notts crazy, all this stuff,
anything but actually agreeing to come to do a debate, right,
throw a fit, poison the well, throw a poo poo
bomb in the middle of everything so that there will
not be a debate, and then spend the rest of
the time bitching about how everyone has bad motives, everyone's
so evil. Oh, they're just the worst person ever. Why
don't you just go confront the person and have a formal,
moderated debate. I'm talking about when it's a big name person, right,
how come you won't give lud y'ausity a formal debate.
I don't owe a three thousand follower person a formal debate.
And UBI even said come to the Vegas thing when
I'm debating Voice of Reason, and we'll try to set
up something with you and Jakin debate or something. Well, no,
Ubi says he doesn't want to do that. I don't know.
I don't talk to Elijah Gyassi, but Ubi said something
to the effect of he wasn't interested in that. Okay,
well whatever, I'm not gonna sit here. I mean, I
think everybody over here knows, like, if you really want
to debate me, it is possible to set that up.
And I don't know why some of y'all can't understand
that a lot of these people don't actually want to debate, right.
I know you can't figure that out. That's hard for
you to figure it out. But was it hard for
us to set up on my side a debate with
stuff on Malnu, Matt Dila, Monkey Shaike, Azra Rashid, Paul Williams,
doctor Shamira Lee, Jake the Muslim at a physician Daniel Hikikachu.
Was it hard to set up a debate with any
of those people? No, it was easy. How come the
Muslims like it's easy to set up a debate with
a Muslim?
Speaker 8: Not?
Speaker 1: The only one who was hard was Jake. Jake the
Muslim at a physician was a nightmare to try to
set the debate up with because he kept bitching and
whining and I don't want this, I want this, I
don't want this. Right, how come we've had no problems
setting up a debate with all of these other people
and then these whining, bitching idiots and losers with two
thousand followers or whatever like Yasi. It's just like they'll
they'll debate with you in DMS for thirty minutes about debating,
and I finally just told y'as like I do, I'll
have time for this. I'm not wasting my time. Dude,
are you lonely? Get over yourself? You just try to
be cool. Yes, I am trying to be cool and
argue with everyone. That's my life's mission is to be
cool and argue with everyone. I open up for open
form debate and have done that for seven years now
on Twitter. And I've been debating since two the year
two thousand, so I've been debating for twenty five years. Yeah,
I mean that in the case of all break, that's
what it is. It's like you offer all of these
different options, then they won't agree. They'll have some minor
disagreement and then say that you're running. That's what happened
with Jake, right. Jake said for many years that there
will be no cross examinations. Jake the musle metaphysician for
many years would not agree to cross examination, and then
finally he caved on that, and that's how we had
the debate. So that's why Jake would never do it.
And I was like, I'm not going to debate you
if you don't allow that, because I want to pin
you down. Lamina twenty dollars, you're the best in the business. Well,
thank you so much. Let me appreciate that, Ah Brosey,
ten dollars. What pissed me off is that the big
name profiles like Sarah Stock. I don't even know who
that is. She sees you reply, ask her to come debate,
she ignores it. But some Protestant goobert will she will
probably instantly. Well, I mean, I don't know who Sarah
Stock is, but I think it just a lot of
people don't want to have a real debate. I mean,
the reason that we do pretty good over here. Who
cares about cross examinations? People that don't want to lose,
That's who because if you're not good at debate, that's
where you're going to crash and burn. That's why it's
not ever.
Speaker 9: Stave in vain. There are a few more unforgivable sins.
Speaker 10: Oh, okay, or I just said christ is king because
there was a renewed attack on the phrase, which is
being sponsored by doctor Peterson.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that there is any There are
no upcoming female debates. The dash of debate was like
not that serious as a tongue in cheek debate. I
mean it was halfway serious because she said she wanted
to debate somebody orthodox, and she apparently wouldn't debate Luigi
for whatever reason. So I'm all right, I'll debate. I'm
not I'll debate a UNI eight yea, let's do it. Fine.
I don't care.
Speaker 10: Doctor Peterson teamed up with the ADL and the NCRI
to try to label any political dissidence of theirs mentally ill.
Speaker 9: Okay. I think it's the thing that he's done that's
been the most beyond the pale for me. For me,
it's hanging up.
Speaker 10: I am not a fan of doctor Jordan Peterson anymore
because I see right through this. You'll recall, like I
said during that lens to him in twelve non Christians.
Speaker 9: It was like ten Jews and and I think.
Speaker 10: It was two other people who were we didn't know
what their background was. To state that Christ is king
is a form of political extremism.
Speaker 1: I'm not, by the way, I don't fault people who
have bigger channels for not wanting to debate a smaller person.
I mean, I know what that's like now, right. There's
not really any advantage or benefit to doing it. So
people that have, you know, a million, two million followers,
I don't I don't expect them to actually debate me.
It would be cool if they did, but I don't
usually expect it. Uh. And it's in the same way
like people who have two hundred followers, like they shouldn't
expect that I have to debate them or whatever. Uh.
The only really the way that this I think happens
is when enough people in the comments and in the
audience kind of bugs them enough that they think, all right,
you know, I need some content I've been seeing for
the last six months, this person's name in the chat.
That's how we got on timcast. That's how we got
the debate with Stefan. That's how we got the debate
with Matt Dilla hunting right. It took it took a
good few years for those things to come about. When
they saw the repeated references in the chat.
Speaker 9: It ain't take a look.
Speaker 10: This was the if you forgot thy name in vein,
how online extremists hijacked christ is King utterly absurd to say,
completely ridiculous. And you will note the NCRI actually is
known for and by the way, to be clear.
Speaker 1: Like and by the way, this is like this Johnny
Moore guy, he's like some mega Christian Zionist. It's like
this probably was not the wise choice for Jordan Peterson
to link up with this, to go after the term
christ is King. I mean, I mean, unless you want
to alienate you know, a giant portion of your Christian audience,
which I assume Jordan Peterson has a large Christian audience.
But this really just kind of goes back to my
criticism seven years ago that classical liberalism is not compatible
with traditional Christianity. It's only going to be compatible with
these completely cocked versions of like Kukianity and evangelical nonsense. Right,
So you come to a certain crossroads where you gotta
part ways with it and if you don't, then well
you're not in the domain of Christianity anymore.
Speaker 10: Berten Peterson has now gone on tour, which is why
he's trending again today because he's trying to justify this
report saying that like we can't say, no, Kanye.
Speaker 1: Was not correct. In fact, Kanye today said that all
the Christians who believed in him were idiots and he
trolled you all. And did I ever promote Kanye? I
did not, So I didn't fall for that many of
you fell for the Kanye syop. I did not. Now
I did report on the Harley Pasternac thing because I
thought that was interesting, But a lot of trusted and
thought that Kanye was gonna, Oh he's so baze, And
everybody saw what Kanye has said in the last week
multiple like just totally ridiculous that which dude, Kanye is
mentally ill, Like that was obvious and I don't know
why people couldn't see that. But again, it's like a
lot of y'all don't have discernment. You didn't have discernment
for Jordan Peterson, you didn't have discernment on Kanye you
didn't have discernment at the time of Ceville. You didn't
have discernment about name any other host of idiotic media
figures who many of you, many of you in general
not talking about my audience. Many of you in general,
you just fall for the latest talking head, yapper. And
what about some discernment here? Are there? Is there discernment
on Tate. Do a lot of y'all have Tate discernments.
Some of y'all don't have any Tate discernment, which is
kind of surprising. Did you you have Kanye discernment? I'm
not even talking about the Cousins thing. I'm talking about
what he said. What yesterday or today? Let's see Tristan
sent me this. Let's see what he said. Kanye admits
that he does not believe that it's a big Z
Middle Eastern problem. Rather, the problem is Catholic people and
white people. Kanye says that his skin, the black skin,
that black skin is what God is. In fact, that
he's been trolling this whole time, some shit ran.
Speaker 14: By the lower middle management, which is the Jews. Because
the Jews really worked for the whites to work for
the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1: You understand what God runs the.
Speaker 8: World, and this is God. You know, you know this color,
you know what it is.
Speaker 1: So that's why all the nas he's pointing at his skin.
And by the way, is he still on laughing gas
or what like? He did he Actually he looks like
he's high in this in this video. H I'd love
to go on Theovon. Uh. Theovon is one of my favorites.
I met Theovonne in Nashville when we went to see
him do stand up.
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I I emailed the THEO a couple of times.
And I don't know if it was him or his
manager or whoever books. This was like three years ago,
so he was not as big as he is now,
even three years ago. And somebody was replying, and I
don't know, but I was like, hey, you know, I'd
love to come on and blah blah blah, but I
think that I'm not at that big of a level.
You know. It looks like it's Theo's email. It's got
his picture that comes up. It was I told THEO, Hey,
blah blah blah, I like to come on and saw
your set in Nashville. THEO said, hey, thanks, Jay, I'll
keep this in mind. Add my producer to this email thread,
blah blah blah. So maybe I need to re email
them and remind them. But I think, look, the way
a lot of this media stuff works is that like
when I was talking to the PbD guy, the producer
scheduler for PbD, and then what Scooter said about Tucker
was like a lot of times, like the schedulers for
the big channels, like they'll just go look at your
profile and be like, Okay, he's got one hundred and
sixty on YouTube, he's got a hundred on Twitter. That's
not big enough. They don't even see your content or
what you talk about is literally they just look at
the number and then okay, he's not even at you know,
two hundred thousand on either Twitter or YouTube. So I
think what happens is that a lot of the producers
and schedulers just do that and then they just move on.
Unless the one caveat is like wrote like TRIPLEI has
been friends with you know, Rogan forever, right, because TRIPLEY
doesn't have you know, massive numbers. I think that you know,
Joe's just like, hey, yeah, come on, you're you know,
my old buddy, unless you like our old buddies or something.
I think the schedulers just don't even pay attention to
anybody who's not that high on numbers. Hey, j THEO
gives nobody a place on his channel. You're the shit.
Well maybe maybe I have a chance with with THEO.
The The thing is, uh, even when I sent that
email like that was like two or three years ago.
I mean, his podcast is probably twice as big or
three times as big as it was back then, you
know what I mean. Go in the comments and tell
the old bone at me on that'd be a bit
good way, dude. Uh h, Brosey ten dars. Oh that
girl I did tweet at her, the one that said
told all of her followers to become Catholic. You replied,
saying Orthodoxy is the ancient church. I forgot about her.
She ignored it, but she responded to some other guy
with twenty five followers. That's because they don't want to actually,
you know, they don't want to deal with the real
anybody who could actually sort of flesh it out. You know,
I forgot about that chick. Let's see, we did we
get to everything that I wanted to talk about. We
didn't even get to bitcoin. I don't know why I
had bitcoin bitcoin. By the way, he is going back up.
Did y'all not notice did I not tell you that
you should have been on the bitcoin train and you
had a what two weeks? No? A month? You had
a month? I'll look at them two it to again.
Speaker 9: You connect a lot of dots between like Israel and me,
right or.
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I knew THEO was based so you
can check that one out. And interestingly, who funds KOOFI?
This is John jos John Hoogy in Times of Isrel.
KOFY is financed by the Shillman Foundation, the Adelson family,
and a bunch of other interesting foundations. Now that is
John Hagey's specific operation that promotes Christian Zionism. And I
didn't know that. Whitney Webb has written a history of this,
which I know all about the history of Christian Zionism,
so I'm not gonna repeat all of that. I didn't
want to get to a little bit about this because
James pearl Off, who became Orthodox, has also written on this,
and he has a really good history of Samuel Untermeyer and.
Speaker 4: C. I.
Speaker 1: Schofield himself, So you can check that out there. Yeah,
I mean I think that THEO vonn would probably have
Sam Hyde on before he'd ad me on. And that
makes sense because Sam has a much bigger audience, and
that makes sense, right. But I mean, of course I
would love to go on as well. But I mean, guys,
remember one of the biggest comedy videos of the entire year.
I co wrote that, so episode one of Sam Hide Show,
which has with all the clips and everything together, probably
twenty million views. But bum bum check out Pearloff's article.
And the reason I'm bringing that up is I just
did two podcasts on this topic. I forgot. I did two,
not just one. I did bucks podcast. So go check
out Counterflow right here. Oh, I remember what I was
gonna play Counterflow Questioning Hare season looking for the Truth
with Jay right here and the Australian guy who has
the channel what's it called Postmodern? I forget that He's
got a decent sized Instagram and we did an interview
that he said got him questioning solo scriptura. We just
did another interview on dispensationalism and John Hagee in this
kind of nonsense, So look for that in the next
couple days. And I also want to mention that I
actually appreciate the black dude over here at simply Bitcoin.
He did a really good video and I wasn't expecting it.
He actually got into some of the biblical ideas here,
which I didn't know that he had, Like a I
don't know this black dude. I'm not familiar with his
other than this channel, right, I've seen many clips and
videos from this channel before. And if you die, If
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on it. I'm in bitcoin.
Speaker 14: You'll know that there's a huge variety of opinions on
whether or not bitcoin will succeed or not. Michael Saylor
believes that bitcoin is inevitable. In a recent interview, Michael
Sailor said that he'll be buying bitcoin and a million
dollars a coin, ten million, a coin fifty million dollars
a coin. And then there's people out there like Jamie
Diamond who still believe that bitcoin's a fraud and a
Ponzi scheme.
Speaker 16: Crypto if you mean crypto like bitcoin, I've always said
it's a fraud.
Speaker 7: There are no hope for it.
Speaker 16: Well if it's if they think they're a currency, there's
no hope for it. It's a Ponzi scheme. There's a public,
decentralized fight.
Speaker 6: Hey, Jamie, even Jack Dorsey, that's my short dude, except
my as pink see, who some believe could be satoci
even believes that there's a chance that bitcoin will fail.
Speaker 15: So let's fast forward to the I.
Speaker 1: Don't think Jack Dorsey is stosi.
Speaker 15: Future and bitcoin has failed.
Speaker 9: How did it fail?
Speaker 17: I think it fails through irreverance, Like.
Speaker 1: It just it fails irre irrelevance is.
Speaker 17: To be relevant to people on a daily basis. If
it just ends up being so value and nothing more,
don't I don't think it gains relevance at all. Like
I think it has to be payments for it to
be relevant on the every day Otherwise it's just something
you kind of buy and forget and only use in
emergency situations or when you want to get liquid again.
So I think if it doesn't transition to payments and
find that everyday use case, it just gets increasingly irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Now one of the reasons I'm playing this is because
we just saw a huge rebound when it came to
in the last few days. Last week, I guess bitcoin
went from eighty five, So we went from actually eighty
ish to ninety five, So we're back up in the
bullish territory. What'll we get down to eighty Well, a
few weeks ago we actually went down to seventy five. Wow,
So in the past couple weeks we've gone from seventy
five to ninety five, which has made people think that
we are bullish again. That the reason for the depth,
of course had to do with just Trump's tearoff stuff, right,
So I guess now that people are not really talking
about that. Plus there's now a new contender with Michael Saylor,
which is going to be headed up by Jack Malers
from Strike another challenger to buying the same amount of
bitcoin that he has bought, which means again supply shock.
So again I guess you know you guys, don't listen
to me. Want to tell you this stuff. But that
means that eventually, when this filters out, like, there will
be less and less bitcoin available. When I'm not talking
about us for humans and US normies, US plubs. I'm
talking about at the nation state level, when the other
countries and entities begin to seek out buying up the bitcoin,
there will be a supply shock because not that much
bitcoin is available, not at I'm not talking about for
us right at the plub level, there's always going to
be exchanges selling, you know, smaller amounts of bitcoin. But
I'm talking about when you know, the nation state of
whatever wants to start buying bitcoin and they want to
buy you know, a billion dollars worth, right, there's not
going to be a lot of bitcoin available at the
price that it is. It's going to be like shooting up,
you see. So a billion dollars with a bitcoin will
be probably three four five dollars billion dollars, you see.
Speaker 17: And that's fair, that's fair to me.
Speaker 14: As a guy who runs a bitcoin show, you are
going to be shocked to hear what I actually believe.
I ultimately believe that bitcoin will fail in the end.
Stick around, I'll give you my real, raw, uncut, honest
thoughts about why I believe that bitcoin will fail you
in the end. No clickbait, just me being real. This
is downte coca with bitcoin simply.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate Dante's point here because it's pretty funny.
It's not what you expect he's going to say.
Speaker 8: You know, is it kind of unlimited and really depends
on what is happening in the market.
Speaker 17: No, we'll just keep buying.
Speaker 18: But the debt to GDP ratio right now, is is it,
you know, ten times at least higher h So that's
actually not going to work. There is no solution. That's
why people are running into bitcoin. That's why bitcoin's worth
over a trillion dollars down, why it's going to ten
trillion dollars downs. That people are running for the hills.
They're getting out of dodge, they're dumping their US Treasury bonds,
they're dumping whatever they can and they're putting it into bitcoin.
And so bitcoin, we're going to see bitcoin be the
major winner in this sovereign debt collapse globally. That's how
you get to two three, four hundred thousand dollars per bitcoin.
Everybody knows it now, Paul Tudor Jones, Stan Druckenmeller, Michael
Saylor over at micro Strategy, they're all openly talking about
a speculative attack against the central banks. Borrow at that
cheap rate, buy bitcoin and let them die.
Speaker 1: That's what's going on.
Speaker 4: And Jenet Gillen for one, expects these interest all these
inflation levels, rather to persist until mid twenty twenty two.
Speaker 18: Now we're buying bitcoin, haha, and it's we're in a
completely new era, a new world, a new global standard,
as Rand Paul, a senator in America has called on bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Max your eyser was liking and retweeting me the other day.
I forgot what tweet it was. But he's really difficult
to get to do an interview.
Speaker 14: Of Wall Street in New York City wearing a hoodie
and saying stuff like this, and this is.
Speaker 12: Why bitcoin will decouple because bitcoin isn't priced on earnings.
Speaker 1: So Mahler's is gonna be running a what's it called
a twenty two, a twenty one whatever, and they're gonna
try to buy the same amount of bitcoin as Michael Saylor.
That's crazy. Forget the name of it.
Speaker 12: And if countries are looking for something to own. You're
gonna want scarce reserve assets, long gold, long bitcoin, easy easy.
So people don't understand what we're living through. And I'm
looking on the internet and everyone's freaking out. And my
message to my audience into the bitcoiners is just relaxed.
You gotta breathe, calm down, understand what you own, Understand
what we're living through right now. Let the stock market
puke and figure itself out. And by the way, is
it over? No, what are we living through right now?
We're trying. I'm literally on Wall Street having meetings with
Wall Street people. This city is a full of a
bunch of over levered, pompous hedge fun assholes. These guys,
I mean, the stock market's down like four percent. These
guys are begging and pleading and screaming for a bailout,
give me a break. Everyone wants a relief rally. We're
now at the phase where everyone's like, oh you hear.
Speaker 1: That, Oh my god.
Speaker 8: Trump.
Speaker 12: Trump said that he's open negotiations.
Speaker 8: Trump said he might walk back what he said.
Speaker 12: And no one's actually pricing in the fact that Trump
means business, whether you like it or not. Trump wants
to help the poor American Trump wants to create factory jobs.
Trump wants to produce stuff here. Trump wants to fix
the deficit problem. That's until I see otherwise. Trump is
about business. Trump is keeping his promises. What do you
need it?
Speaker 1: One way?
Speaker 19: You can just print money.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 19: That's how you do it.
Speaker 1: Now. The point here is that they're still going to
just go forward with money printing, right even if Trump
is you know, pro jobs, pro business, pro economy, like,
they're still going to just go forward with Probably I
don't know how they would not do it, Like we're
not immediately on a gold standard or a Bitcoin standard.
So the only option is to do money printing. And
that also uh signifies bigcoin as a you know, hedge
asset to also go up.
Speaker 19: If you look back on the past history of our
country and other countries, you see that every time they
get in a situation where they need to have a conflict,
it's always printing money. So my goal, my hope, was
that bitcoin would.
Speaker 1: Provide a way out.
Speaker 19: Once I began to study bitcoin, and you know, I
didn't get it right away. You probably are smarter than
I am. You know, I got it and I was
trading shit coins and I was I bought some bitcoin,
it went way up, and I sold it like an idiot.
And but you know, I, when you realize that you
don't understand what you hold, the best thing to do
is just get right back in the books. Just get
in the books and start studying and reading and understanding
watching podcasts like this. And I did that. Once I
understood it, once I really got it, I just started
going back in and bigger and bigger. You know how
that is. You start small, next thing, you know, you've
got more and more of your wealth in there. And
then today, sitting here today, I mean I've got all
my wealth and bitcoin or a proxy. I've got some
micro strategy stock too, But basically, you know, everything I
have is in bitcoin. And I'm pretty damn happy too.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you big.
Speaker 14: First true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure,
whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there's any excellence,
if there's anything worse or the appraise, think on these things.
I believe that bitcoin is the only monetary system in
the world right now that represents truth. I believe that
it is actually a just and fair system. As Larry
points out in his book, and others have talked about
equal weights and measures in our money. Again, I believe
that allows us to do things honorably, to be paid
for honest work, something that you've built, created, or acquired
through honest means exactly. I believe that the code is lovely.
I believe that the work that people are doing in
this industry is commendable. I believe that there are excellent
people working day and night on bitcoin products and solutions
to bring fairness and access to financial markets to people
all around the world. This is worthy of praise, but
I want to share a message with all of my followers.
Bitcoin will ultimately fail you in the end. On your deathbed,
you will not be worried about your seed plate or
your private keys. You're going to be thinking about whether
you were just famous online or whether you were actually
famous in.
Speaker 1: Your own home.
Speaker 14: You're going to be thinking about whether you spent too
much time worshiping a created thing or the creator themselves.
You're gonna think about whether you use your bitcoin to
give you more time to have more memories, experiences, and
unforgettable moments with people that you loved and cared about,
or whether you use your bitcoin to feed the poor,
the needy, or the hungry, or whether you just held
it to increase your treasure. You've never seen a U
haul attached to a hearst because there's nothing on this
earth that you can take with you when you die,
not even your bitcoin. Your bitcoin will never fully fulfill you.
And I've gone further down the rabbit hole than most
I do this show. I read all about bitcoin all
the time, I talk about it all the time. When
you get down to the bottom of the rabbit hole,
it'll be just like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz
rolling back the curtain and understanding that FIAT was all fake.
You're gonna get to the end of your bitcoin journey
and realize that bitcoin can never fill a hole that
it ultimately wasn't designed to. It's a tool. Use it
to grow your wealth, use it to MAXIMU.
Speaker 1: What are you guys even talking about? He's not an
AI character. What it's a go watch the channel. It's
not fake.
Speaker 14: Miis your time and your ability to have moments with
your loved ones and people that you care about so
that you're thinking about them around your deathbed and not
about your private keys. Your dollar cost average will not
come to your benefit to save you when you're coming
to think about whether you live the life of meaning
or of purpose. All of these things are independent of bitcoin,
and bitcoin cannot solve that problem for you. But let
me be clear, I'm in bitcoin not just for the money,
but because I actually believe that bitcoin will make the
world a better place. And for that reason, I say,
let's continue to press on into the mission. Let's continue
to liberate people from the shackles of FIAT slavery. Education
is power, and I believe that one of the things
that our world is sorely missing.
Speaker 1: Oh do you guys mean that he's reading something that
he printed out on AIS? That's what you mean? He
has an AI boys, you mean he's reading it? The
video is not AI. Like, what are you even talking
about here? You can go watch the channel. It's not
an Alida. This is so stupid.
Speaker 14: Is education that comes from financial literacy. Knowing that life
is getting harder is one thing. Knowing where, why and
how you're being robbed is another thing entirely. And it's
our job to educate people on why the system is broken.
And with that, I want to leave you with probably
one of my favorite clips from one of my favorite
people in bitcoin, and that's Natalie Burnell on Charles Pain
Show about the mission of why we actually do bitcoin?
Speaker 15: Well, what is the total addressable market for person?
Speaker 1: Are you guys trolling? I don't understand. This is really
different like this guy has been anytime in multiple interviews.
Speaker 14: Man, I think the thing that was super interesting is
you know that so we're gonna charge.
Speaker 1: Half of that to that. I mean there's some real
well political salesmanship I should say, involved in that, and
you know, so be it. That's the way the game
is played, right dude? Who Boomer Jay Boomer? All right, cool,
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cool I'm curious, I'm a dumb dumb. Is Bitcoin tied
to how much money and energy is used up for
miners and data? Well, bitcoin mining is what uses energy
to keep the network up, but mining and nodes are decentralized,
so they're everywhere. So I'm not sure what you mean.
Do you mean is the price tied to the mining indirectly?
It is, and the bitcoin network is tied to mining,
and mining uses energy, But I don't think we're in
some kind of like scenario where all the bitcoin mining
and energy in the world goes away or something. If
you're asking a fear based question, Bobby C five dollars,
they're saying he's AI because the video is lagging and
the audio is lagging on our end. Okay, I can't
see or tell that there's a lag, so that was
not perceptible on my end of things. So you know,
you know, no matter where I live or what I
do with connection, I've had at both places. I've had
the services out probably ten times at both places, literally
ten times at both places, and there's just no They
will never fix the peaks and the drops of the feed.
I've paid, all amounts of money I've done, I've gotten
them to do everything, and it will never ever stop
doing peaks and drops. So I don't know what to
tell you. Everybody, have a good night. Thank you for
joining me. A lot of fun.