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Speaker 1: M what's up? I can go fucking live on here.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna try to talk some ship.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Is this the right person?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: This is very convincing, like this is moving stuff here?

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Like what is it? I don't even know what this is?

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Like this stuff on here, seismic cascade alert? What and

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the heck is this? Dudek? No, that's not him. There

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is no O three og profile that comes up. Man,

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I've searched it every possible way and none of you

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can actually just give me the damn link or just

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tell the guy to come debate dude O three OG. Yeah,

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when I type in O three og, that guy's profile

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is what comes up. That's why I can't understand what

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you're like. If you type into the Instagram search you

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get here. We go, let's try this. Maybe this is it. Okay,

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so you guys had it wrong. The last guy that

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sent me the link is the actual correct link, but

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now it doesn't want to come up. Maybe he blocked

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me or something because it's not I found a profile,

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but the profile doesn't want to load. I wonder if

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that means I'm blocked here. Look, I'll show you what

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I mean. Let's see if it works over here. So

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if I type in that profile, here's what you get,

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blank screen. So he must have me blocked because nothing

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comes up when I search this profile. You see that,

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So he has me blocked. Debate the guy who has

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you blocked? Or you're scared? Let's see. Let me try

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another browser to see who this person is or why

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it doesn't show up restricted profile. You must be eighteen

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to view this profile. So he is the true hidden

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e mom Worth under Ismail Salorio. What is the Malachi prophecy?

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I mean a bunch of ra mechellic gibberish. What do

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you mean I've been hearing the Malachi prophecy since two

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thousand and three. Uh, thank you for wasting my time

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for fucking thirty minutes with that stupid shit trying to

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get me to debate some person that you can't even

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access his profile. Where is the ORB chilling by my head?

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By the way, it's not boomer like. The profile is restricted. Dude,

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Jay is ignorant. Ryan, you want to come debate, the

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profile comes up as restricted. I didn't block him. If

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you go to another browser, the profile comes up as restricted.

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Like if you go to another browser where you're not

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like enrolled in Instagram or signed in So the zero

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was him? So you got somebody said it wasn't him.

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I'm not going to debate somebody who's tracking weather patterns

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and like stupid NASA shit, dude, Like what so now

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people are saying that is him? M three to og

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fanboy Jay is running because he can't deadlift and he

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has pencil arms. Yes, that's it. Nothing to do with

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actually debating. It has to do with running from a

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random a random profile. You said he had thirty thousand followers.

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His Instagram has three thousand followers. His Twitter gets one reply. Dude,

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come on, thank you for wasting my time for the

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last thirty minutes. By the way, I think I just won't.

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I'm just gonna refund all of Ian Scott's super chats.

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There's wad wasting my time. Mud five dollars. A guy

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named your mom is fat and gay and ugly was

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in the comments on a video in You two thousand

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and nine. You should find him and debate him, because

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if you don't, you're scared. Exactly, yes, track down every

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single person randomly commenting on Twitter, or you're scared, You're

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totally scared. The quest for the debater is boring the

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pants off everyone. It's rather insulting. Okay, cara o, goodbye,

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see yeah, goodbye. The reason we do that is that

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I do always give the opportunity for people to come debate.

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And there's no fear on my part of like engaging

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in a debate or having a debate. So I always

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like to open it up. And so as you guys

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should know, like for people who have a lower count

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of following, the open debates are for those people. I

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don't give a formal debate to a person with two

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hundred followers. Okay, does Ian Scott want to come in debate,

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He can come debate. How's that make a video bunking Hinduism?

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Maybe one day again. I always tell people to go

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read Father Surfer and Roses book Orthodox in Religion Future.

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We did an entire talk years ago on orthodox in

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Religion in the Future, so people can go find that

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and let's get back to Sargone. Thank you for that

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total waste of time.

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Speaker 2: And this is why the book The Birth of the

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Scientific Endeavor even began in the first place. People like

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Francis Bacon and Descartes were like, no, no, we can

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use our reason to make the world better. Actually, and

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it turned out that they could. But there was a

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consequence of that, and that was essentially the death of God,

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which is what needs you was lamenting. And so now

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we are in a position where it's like, Okay, well,

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maybe the suffering it was bad, but maybe it had

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Speaker 4: It always it always reached a peak though. I found

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like if you look in like the Victorian era where

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England especially was gripped with things such as alcoholism, and

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it wasn't the change wasn't done through political means. It

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was done through a spiritual aspect.

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Speaker 1: Everyone talk about boring this lotus eater. This is like

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a more like a quelude Eater podcast. It's like, oh, dude,

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come on, man. Seems to happen throughout history.

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Speaker 2: So the problem of approaching this with a theological argument

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is that it presupposes that which Sentimes proved right. So

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if that if it is the case that God does this,

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I still have to establish the existence of God before

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I can accept that premise.

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Speaker 1: And if the quo so not aware of what the

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transit argument is, it's not positing God's existence before proving it.

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The argument is a paradigm level argument that without God

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you couldn't ground the categories of knowledge.

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Speaker 2: I like any any religious scholar should have been able

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to dismantle that and say and say, look, you are

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approaching this from the wrong perspective, because the argument about

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God is necessarily transcendental, and so you can't find him

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in the universe because he is necessarily extraneous to it.

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Speaker 1: And yet Sam again, I think that's the part I

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was looking for. He's confusing the transcendental argument with God

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being transcendent. I think he might just be saying that

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God is. He thinks that because God is transcendent, he's

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not found in the universe like he's some sort of

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object or being like some dude. But it's a both

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and God is transcendent and imminent, and so I think

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Sargon is just again, this is just like, it's just

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really just Reddit level stuff. Honestly, I figured Sargona would

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be a little more sophisticated.

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Speaker 2: Paris has gone away with this for decades. This is

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absolutely I mean, it's it's a category error at best,

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and him being just deliberately obtuse at worst. Right, and

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so does he actually know what religious scholars allowed them

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to kind of get away with these things and somehow lose.

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The argument is not.

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Speaker 1: I overheard my elderly neighbor. He talks smack about you, Jay,

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Why are you running from him? Because I'm terrified I

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cannot debate anyone on the internet. The reality is that

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I'm only scared of people with three hundred or three

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thousand followers. That's the If you have a million followers,

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I'm not scared. But secretly, I'm really scared of the

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guys with two or three hundred followers. That's my real fear.

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Speaker 2: It the risk of getting myself in trouble. It kind

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of reveals the pasty of the religious argument based on again,

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assuming what it sets out.

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Speaker 1: Proof, I think a lot of people will just yeah,

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they hear a British accent and they think they must

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be smart. Like, but I think people are kind of

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growing out of this right older sero, Like, if you

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have a Southern accent, you're necessarily stupid. If you have

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a British accent, you're necessarily sophisticated. Uh maybe that was

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the case thirty years ago. People fell for that, But like,

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detect pompous win back pretty quick now.

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Speaker 2: And this not being persuasive to people who do not

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already assume that case. And so this is why I

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was being a little fedorative of that, because as an

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atheist who would like Christianity to succeed.

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny is, as far as I'm aware,

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I'm actually the only person except for Jim, Bob and

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maybe Andrew, that actually consistently gives a place for anyone

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to call in with any number of followers. You've got

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people who have one follower that will call in on

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my Twitter spaces. You've got people who have two hundred,

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three hundred and four hundred thousand followers who call in

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on the Twitter spaces. I give ample opportunity almost multiple

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times a week for anyone who actually wants to debate

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to call in and do so.

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Speaker 2: That argument is not good enough.

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Speaker 4: And I was going to say, do you think modern

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secularism is failing to provide meaning or stability when it

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comes to that? And is is that why people are

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now looking back to faith in that respect?

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Speaker 2: The worst part is it's not providing meaning, but it's

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definitely providing stability. And the stability is worse, right, like

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it would be better to have an unstable world in

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which you had meaning than a stable world in which

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you just want to kill yourself, Like for you know,

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the tomorrow is going to be just like today, and

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today was terrible, but you know tomorrow is going to

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be just as terrible, and there's no reason to think

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that after that would be any better. And so why

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wouldn't you just kill yourself?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the argument that you know, if we're just.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but look at this guy. That beer looks fake by.

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Speaker 4: The way, lack of chemicals, then what is meaning? What

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you, dude, Like

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this is supposed to have the appearance of some high brow,

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sophisticated intellectual conversation, and this is literally the equivalent of

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equivalent of like a conversation that people had in my

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freshman philosophy class. I mean, this is just so solo tier.

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the our boy JBP and his new tussle with Candace.

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There's always a Candace v JBP event going on, and

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I thought this was interesting because Sam Hide chimed in, Actually,

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because I'm sure that most of the people in the

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Piers Morgan audience right are not over here watching what

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me find Sam's comment. Where is it at? Here we go?

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on Joe Rogan immediately went to the part where he's

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Come on, man, hang it up already. I thought this

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was actually the clip. It's not. Let's see Jordan Peterson's psychopaths.

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Speaker 5: Lization has enabled the psychopaths without a doubt. Yeah, well

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without that's a terrible thing because the psychopathic types they're

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always the death of everything. Like I'm seeing this come

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up on the right now, so imagine, imagine this. I've

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and I like it quite a lot.

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 1: I want to be super nuanced here because I think

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there's a lot of different things going on, and I'm

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which you guys this audience, I'm sure you guys already

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know what I think about. I think both Candace and

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Jordan Peterson are wrong, but in different areas and in

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different ways. So Peterson, really he's just constantly, unfortunately in

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the last few years, a huge letdown. But I maintained

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my same critique from the very beginning. I did a

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and if you go back and watch my almost ten

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incoherence February twenty eighteen, so seven and so it's seven

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years and two months. So we're not at a but

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close enough. Right. By the way, you'll notice quite a

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bit less carb bloat in a seven years, right. I

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still have my weird stuff shirt though, or stay weird.

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So what did I say seven years ago? Well, I

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said the problem in Jordan Peterson's philosophy is classical liberalism,

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and most of the things that he talks about will

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be evident and refuted in time. People will begin to

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see the issues. And I remember when I posted this video,

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remember back before YouTube got rid of the thumbs down, right,

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I remember this video had like eighty percent thumbs down, like,

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you know, a few weeks after it being put up.

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like at his like rocket, you know, into first stardom level.

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phases and fads and whatnot. Is I don't think I

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wasn't unfair in this video. I wasn't mean or I

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wasn't I just basically critique the problems in classical liberalism

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because I've been critiquing classical liberalism for a long time.

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I've got specific critiques of it older than this video.

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Back when we were on Tim Kelly's podcast, I was

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all the time doing critiques of libertarianism, classical liberty. My

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first debate is against Kocash, the libertarian. I'm critiquing classical

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liberalism in the very first public debate I did with Cocash. Okay,

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I've got over ten years of critiques online of libertarianism,

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atomistic and individualism and classical liberalism, way way way back

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on and on on okay, and I said in this

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video all the main problems I would still say. And

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but probably eighty percent thumbs up now twenty percent thumbs down.

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I was correct in my assessment and critique seven years ago.

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I'm still correct, and we're still dealing with classical liberal

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Jordan Peterson. And what's unfortunate is that the classical liberal side,

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as everyone can see, has definitely shied away from criticizing

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the Middle East and countries in the Middle East and

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things that begin with the letters Z. The classical liberal

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James Lindsay Peterson right, they will not criticize the secular

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nation state and ideology of Z. Why duh, it's not

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that hard to figure out the daily wire, I mean,

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come on, right. And it's also interesting that none of

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the people from that side will debate it. At least

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a postate profit will debate his position with Andrew and

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with me. So that's one side of it, is the

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classical liberal issues and the mistake that I see on

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that side of things, and that's why they're so reticent

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about admitting Christ is King, even if the phrase itself

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is used by bad actors. So one thing I will

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agree with Peterson on, which is not the majority of

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this issue, but that there are and probably will be

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fake crazed right wing people who will utilize this phrase

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and do bad actor things. And probably are doing that

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already on Twitter. But those might even be feds and bots.

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We don't even know, right. The bot stuff that goes

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crazy on Twitter all intended to do like agid prop stuff, right,

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So I'm not totally conceding to agree with I'm not

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agreeing with Lindsey's thesis overall. I am agreeing to the

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point that you will have and can have bad actors

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who are cut out, fake right wing things that will

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engage in bad actions to make the bad the right

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look bad, and they will use things like Christian nationalism

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christ is King falsely that does exist and has existed.

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I was telling people about Seaville that it looks like

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a sus thing at the time, and people didn't listen,

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and they say the conspiracy. Well, some of those people

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are living their lives in jail the rest of their life.

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So who was right? Ian Johnson five dollars German idealism

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around two or orthodox boogaloo German idealism. Who do you

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think is a proponent of German idealism? It certainly not me.

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Cramasio one gift, Thank you, Inky, five dollars Jay, I

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love your stream. I'd love to hear you talk about

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Paisio's prophecies in the current geopolitical sphere. I don't have

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much to say about that. I am familiar and have

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heard of these prophecies. I just don't have any set

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take or position on it. So I've also heard people debating,

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you know, which ones are authentic. I don't have the

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time or the ability to track down and verify what

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are the real prophetic statements from elders. Now. I know

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that we have a lot of people in the sphere

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of tradcat geopolitically who like what we talk about, and

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that's fine. So I am not agreeing with Jordan Peterson's

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inability and lack of criticism of Middle Eastern countries and

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the Big Z. But people on the right have to

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stop being so stupid to be duped by. I'm not

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talking about Nick, I'm not talking about big name people.

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I'm talking about usually these little fed run groups are smaller.

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They're like you know, discord groups, and they're the ones

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that usually provoke people. That's what I'm talking about. I'm

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not making a judgments or on anybody in the public sphere.

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Don't have time to keep up with everybody's drama. We

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do what we do, right. But when we get to

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Candace's response, what I'd like to know is who is

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Peterson talking about. I haven't watched this whole Joe Rogan interview.

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Somebody said it is a reference to Nick. Somebody said, no,

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it's a reference to Candace. Somebody said, oh, it's referencing everybody.

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I don't know who he's referring to. So because I

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haven't seen the podcast, so maybe in this full podcast

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he actually explains, no, I mean Candace. I mean this

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because when Candace replies, she says, Jordan Peterson means me, right.

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But let's see what Peterson says here. The term the

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woke right comes in.

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Speaker 5: Yet, Well, Lindsey is pointing at that, but he hasn't

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got he hasn't got the diagnosis exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So it isn't whoa and James. Lindsay doesn't like Jordan Peterson, right,

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Lindsey was going after Peterson and Pageo for like a year,

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right like for or she me for for like a

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month a year ago, so they I don't know, Like,

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is Jordan Peterson wanting to cozy up to James Lindsay.

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James Lindsay to debate four times, three times, so he

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won't debate, so the people in this sphere won't debate.

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And that's another interesting tell, right, because I guess Dave

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Smith debated Douglas Murray. Have you ever actually been inside

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of George Clooney? How can you possibly speak about gelge

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Clooney if you've not actually been inside George Clooney. I've

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actually been in George Clooney because I'm a pompous, sophisticated

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British and gay man. I mean, okay, I guess that

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guy debated, and Dave Smith debated, But like no one

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else in like, why wouldn't Ben Shapiro just debate Candice

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Own with a moderator? Why won't Jordan Peterson just debate

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Candison with a moderator? Seems like it would be really easy.

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If these people are, you know, narcissistic psychopaths, should be

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pretty easy to just refute them. But you notice what

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happens is that people then are debating how bad a

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person is. And debating how bad a person is is

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a classic deflection away from actually debating the topics.

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Speaker 8: That's not the issue.

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Speaker 5: It's not exactly one level talking about is like similar

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types of behavior. He is talking about that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he just lets you clarify in your head.

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Speaker 7: Oh it's like that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But the problem is absolutely. But the problem is is

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that that argument is predicated on the claim that the

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ideas are the problem, like the woke ideas for example,

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on the right or the left. But that's not the problem.

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The problem is that four to five percent of the

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population something like that is cluster b that's the DSM

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five terms histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic, or they have and

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they have dark tetrad traits, they're machiavellian, they're sadistic. That's

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about four percent, Okay. So the question is how do

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these people maneuver And the answer is they go to

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where the power is and they adopt those ideas and

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they put themselves even on the forefront of that.

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Speaker 1: Right. No, I would say that the Smith Murray conversation

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was an informal debate. I mean they were clearly debating

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and disagreeing over the topic. You can have an informal

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and a formal debate. So I don't know why you

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would say it's not. It wasn't a debate, it was

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a conversation like whatever cool made up words dark tetrat

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see some I thought it was a dark triad, but

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I guess there's also a tetrads. What's the fourth characteristic?

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So I think Peterson is referring to that paper, which

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is actually a really good paper on virtuous victimhood and

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the dark triad traits. Everybody should read that paper. It's

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really good. Mud five dollars. Jays kryptonite is to run

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from scarcely listened. I don't understand this comment. Oh, Jays

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kryptonite is quote I've scarcely listened, scarcely listened to online

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social media users. Jay's orthobroism will never be able to

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contend with nihilism from Underscore three three one seven on YouTube. Yeah,

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it's kind of silly, right, I mean, anybody wants to

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make and just call in Ian Johnson ten dollars. Carl

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Benjamin's questioning of the Enlightenment reminds me of German idealism. Well,

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you know the thing about philosophers is that a lot

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of philosophers are good at critiquing, but the area that

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most philosophers fail is in their solutions. Usually I know

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he's joking. I rather read it as a joke after

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I read the end. Usually philosophers have just terrible answers

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and solutions. That's a ninety percent of the time, because

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they just want you to buy into their philosophy. Right,

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Philosophers are good at spotting mistakes in the other person's position.

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That's really what philosophy is. Go back to Plato's Apology.

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Socrates is going around basically doing prese up on everybody

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in Athens, and he pisses them off, right.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 1: Then the solutions that they offer, Oh you see, you

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need to believe in my philosophy. Yeah, usually it's some terrible, horrible,

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you know, tyrannical, god awful you know, Plato's republic superstate. Right,

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we don't want that.

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Speaker 5: The ideas are completely irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: All they're doing is they're the Pharisees. They're the modern

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version of the Pharisees. They're the people who use God's

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name in vain.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: Is they proclaim moral virtue, Yes, doesn't matter whether it's

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right or left, or Christian or Jewish or Islam. They

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invade the ideas.

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Speaker 1: So Peterson seems to be saying that the real problem

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is the four percent who are completely screwed up psycho

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people invading the space of the religious debate sphere or

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the religious influence sphere, or religion itself or discourse sphere. Okay,

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maybe there is this percentage of people who get into

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but the problem. But the thing is, like, that's not

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really who's running society and calling the shots. Yeah, you

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can say narcissistic, psychopathic traits allow for moving up in

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a cacistocracy or an oligarchy. Right, if you have those traits,

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you will probably get into greater positions of power, being

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a CEO, running an NGO, you know, running a foundation,

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a thing tank, right, intelligence agencies. Right, you're probably going

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to have those traits if you succeed in getting up

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the ladder in this system and in our corrupt society.

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But that has nothing really to do with which positions

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are right or wrong. So Peterson's point in itself is correct.

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But then he says, and this happens on the left

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end the right, Well, if it happens on the left

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end the right, then it's not a right wing problem.

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the real root of critiquing big Z power. Well, some

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of the people who critique big Z power might have

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narcissistic traits, but that has nothing to do with big

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Z power, you see, that's a different topic space.

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Speaker 5: And then they use that those ideas as false weapons

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to advance their narcissistic advantage. And so then you have

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the problem. And the right's going to face this more

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and more, particularly because the Left had to face it

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when they were in powers. How do you identify the

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psychopathic parasites four percent of the population who are clothed

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in your clothing and waving your flags, but who are

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only in it for narcissistic benefit.

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Speaker 1: I think I will say that a lot of people

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the big Z Right, and I agree that he's not

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willing to criticize those things. But I do agree that

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a lot of the people going around claiming Christ is

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King don't actually live that or believe that that's true.

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Uh So that's my take on that. Frankish melk do jay.

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If James White finally cracks and just calls in as

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a white beard out of the Blue. Would you what

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would you bring up first with James White? Well, I

471
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:38,039
would probably bring up uh, you know, you guys know

472
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,519
I'm like a no beat around the bush, straight to

473
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,599
the point person right. I'm gonna bring up right away

474
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:50,280
like christology, essence energy. I'm gonna go right to the

475
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,679
I'm gonna go right to the things that I know

476
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,320
James White doesn't want to talk about. That's what I

477
00:34:54,360 --> 00:35:00,360
would do. Weik almost three dollars. Oh my gosh, guys,

478
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,280
I mean, when are you gonna address blah blah blah channel?

479
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,320
What is with everybody? I'm not mad at Yogonomos, but

480
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,719
it's like today was gonna be the day where we

481
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:14,760
chill and we have fun and we joke around, and

482
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,199
then that's the day. Is when everybody sends in the

483
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,480
super chats and their quests. When are you gonna deal

484
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:24,199
with Protestant Channel blah blah blah that said that you're

485
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,320
a dumb dumbon, that you're mean, and that when guys

486
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,000
you don't have and this is gonna sound crazy, but

487
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,559
you don't actually have to address every person? Do you

488
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,000
know that? Did you know that not everybody is even

489
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,920
worth your time and worth addressing. I know this is

490
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,800
gonna sound crazy because a lot of us in our sphere,

491
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,880
myself included as a young man, we are naturally a

492
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,039
spurgy and we think you gotta refute every single person.

493
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,239
You gotta refute every single channel, every single argument, every

494
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:04,840
single dude or else you're scared, you're not doing your job.

495
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,559
You can't address it, dude, Not everybody has to be addressed.

496
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:17,199
In fact, and there was a guy who interestingly has

497
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,679
been bitching for a long time about me and us,

498
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:27,360
an Orthodox rapper, and he sent a message to a

499
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,079
mutual friend of ours who was arguing with him, and

500
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:35,800
he basically said, every time Jay mentions me, I get

501
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:41,639
attention and get I get it feeds me. You see.

502
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,159
So I'm actually doing a favor to the idiots with

503
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:55,480
tiny audiences, right, And they will even recognize people on meds,

504
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,280
people with psychosis who say that I mentioned Jay because

505
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,199
I know he'll talk about me, and I will. I

506
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,199
can get an attention currency out of that. That's, by

507
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,360
the way, part of the dark triad traits. Okay, the

508
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,440
guy admitted to another guy that he gets attention currency

509
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:24,960
out of attacking me cloud chasing exactly. Now, this is

510
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,280
a person admittedly on psychosis meds for his schizo effective disorder.

511
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,039
Why is anyone even listening to this person on the

512
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:38,199
internet at all? Jumanji called you out. He has six

513
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,079
million followers. Oh shit, oh shit, Aristotle THI dog, I'm

514
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,639
done for it, bro, I'm done for Yes, I got

515
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:54,280
I know what Jumanji is. You don't have to address

516
00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,280
every goober dude, And this guy says, when are you

517
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,400
going to address the Ancient Paths channel the failure of Orthodoxy?

518
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,039
Thank you, God bless you. I'm not dissing you, but

519
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,840
it's just like you don't have to address every single video,

520
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,559
by the way, you could never even do it right,

521
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:20,199
Like you could never address every whining, complaining channel about

522
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:22,280
why Orthodoxy is not true and I had a bad

523
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,960
experience and blah blah, lean two dollars skivity toilet skivity

524
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,519
fortnite toilet is exactly That's what I'm talking about. That's

525
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:31,920
what I want to talk about tonight. Storm of the

526
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,440
Cats and dollars. Jordan Peterson sounds like a Bolshevik propagandist,

527
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,199
because anyone who disagrees is a has some psychological illness. No,

528
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,000
I actually agree with Candace's retort, that was her point, right,

529
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,280
her retort to this thing with Jordan, because Candace says,

530
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,840
Jordan's talking about me. Because Candace has been arguing with

531
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,800
Mikaela and Jordan for a good while now. And if

532
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,400
you saw on Peers, I think right. So Peers had

533
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:05,760
Candace and Michaela on and Mikayla says, you went after

534
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,440
us unfairly because my dad had an addiction. Blah blah blah.

535
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,559
Candace replies by saying that what Jordan says doesn't make sense.

536
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,039
You can't literally stay up for twenty eight days in

537
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:22,280
a row. Jordan Peterson double down asserts, no, I actually

538
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,480
stayed up for twenty eight days. Beguinness Book World record

539
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,480
is like eleven days. It doesn't make sense. Jordan Peterson

540
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,960
says that apple cider caused them to have a mental breakdown.

541
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:34,920
I mean it's just weird, right. I'm not saying that

542
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,760
I have the same gut issues as Jordan. So I

543
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,559
understand the gut issues and I did carnivore diet because

544
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:46,239
of them. So yes, eating the wrong thing with bad

545
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,320
gut issues can mess you up for several weeks. I

546
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:57,519
don't know about staying up for twenty eight days. But anyway,

547
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:02,360
that's their dispute. So I don't know what to make

548
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,000
of that. But what do you guys think of Jordan's

549
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:14,039
comment there? And then let's see the response that I

550
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:18,559
saw was it today's show?

551
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 9: Here, don't leave your free up a chance.

552
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: So we'll listen to a little bit of what she

553
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,159
says about what I'm talking about right here. Now. This

554
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,519
is interesting because it's all like, all this stuff is

555
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,800
really coming to a head in the culture. And that's

556
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,039
what's crazy, right, because people are like, like X has

557
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,960
opened the door. Whether you agree with it or not,

558
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,840
or whether you like X or whatever or Elon or whatever,

559
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,519
it doesn't matter. Like the debate has now shifted to

560
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:57,159
these topics, and if you've got Tim Dillon and you've

561
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:00,559
got Joe Rogan, you know, talking about these tops topics,

562
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:05,199
allowing a debate discussion at a mega level, whether you

563
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,519
like Dave Smith or not. By the way, I think

564
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:12,039
Andrew went won the debate with Dave Smith, right. I've

565
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:13,760
been asking, trying to get a debate with with Dave

566
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,639
Smith for a long time, and I don't think that's

567
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,280
I mean, I know he's not a philosophy guy, But

568
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:22,679
like it's important to stress the point of again, classical

569
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,400
liberalism is just not good enough. Man. It doesn't get

570
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,760
us where we want to go. It's just not enough.

571
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:35,320
It's a negative rights, negative liberty negative position. Literally, it's

572
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:41,519
classical libertarian. Leave me alone, dude, Just let me have

573
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,119
my drugs and my combs. Man, Like, that's not enough.

574
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,480
You can't have a functioning, healthy society with that storm

575
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:51,559
the cat ten dollars, Jordan, sounds like you already read

576
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,599
that cool bear coud of three dollars. I bought your

577
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,599
Meta Aeritis book. I thought I knew you were smart. Dang,

578
00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:01,559
I'm definitely going to earn ridges in my smooth brain. Well,

579
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:04,559
that's essays, so you know they're written to be kind

580
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,679
of introductory essays. So I think you're going to enjoy that. Now,

581
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:16,719
let's see, where's the I listened to about half of

582
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,800
this show, so I'm trying to find the good points here.

583
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:27,199
So okay, so here this here is she She argues

584
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:35,079
that Jordan went kooky in the debate with Sam Harris,

585
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,719
and somehow I never saw this part. I don't know

586
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,679
how I missed.

587
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:41,119
Speaker 9: Boozing it on the audience because they applauded.

588
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: Somehow I missed this point. I don't remember this point,

589
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,199
and I thought I watched all the Peterson Harris debate.

590
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,239
Do you guys remember this point?

591
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 10: Something that Sam Harris said back in twenty eighteen when

592
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he pressed him on the topic of his own religion.

593
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Speaker 9: Take a listen.

594
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 11: What I fear about the way you talk about religion

595
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,280
is that at the end of all these conversations, I'm

596
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,119
still not sure what you believe on that point, frankly,

597
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:10,599
and if I'm not sure, no one out there is.

598
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 7: Uh.

599
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Speaker 1: Do you guys remember that? I mean, maybe it's probably

600
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,320
been four years since I went through. I thought we

601
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:23,719
watched all the Peterson Harris debates, so maybe we did.

602
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,840
Maybe I did hear that? Now. This is interesting because

603
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,039
Jordan later says that the reason that he got so

604
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,079
upset at that point was because of this apple cider

605
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:44,400
meltdown gut issue. Right, He claims, Uh, I mean.

606
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know why.

607
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,639
Speaker 5: I don't know why you would expect to be sure

608
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,519
about what someone believes. How do you think that any

609
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,480
one of you are capable of fully articulating what you believe?

610
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 7: You certainly aren't.

611
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: Now this is a rare fair question via Sam Harris.

612
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,599
I'm not a Sam Harris fan, but this was actually

613
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:10,239
a decent fair question for Sam Harris to ask Jordan Peterson.

614
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,039
There was nothing unfair here. He just asked, I'm not

615
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:18,679
sure what Jordan Peterson believes about God or theism. And

616
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:21,920
then Jordan Peterson said, who among you is really sure

617
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,840
about what you believe?

618
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 12: What?

619
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,159
Speaker 1: Like? That's not even what Harris asked. And I'm definitely

620
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,960
no Harris fan. In fact, when we reviewed the Peterson

621
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,320
Harris debates, I typically thought that Jordan Peterson pretty much

622
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,280
demolished Harris.

623
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Speaker 7: It's completely ridiculous.

624
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 5: You're not transparent to yourself by any stretch of the imagination.

625
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 7: You act out all sorts of things that you can't articulate.

626
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 11: But how about a best guest.

627
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: Actually that I mean, this was a fair question from

628
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,320
Sam Harris. Well, give me your best guess as to

629
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,960
what you actually mean about God or whatever.

630
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, if you look, let's go all cognitive

631
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,800
neuroscience on this shell.

632
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,119
Speaker 7: What's we ninety nine percent of your process and he's

633
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:09,400
unconscious you're not.

634
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: It's almost like he got mad and sort of like

635
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,199
turned to the audience to say.

636
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 8: You know how superior I am to you. Let's go

637
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:23,800
cordinative neuroscience of about ninety nine thousand IQ better than

638
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,320
all of you.

639
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,119
Speaker 1: It's like he's getting mad, right because they clapped at

640
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:27,800
a fair question.

641
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 7: Capable of articulating yourselves?

642
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 8: You're not even capable of talking? Were you duping monkey people?

643
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,119
Speaker 7: But don't give me any nonsense about that?

644
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 10: But nonsense, all right, Okay, don't give him any nonsense

645
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,679
about that. Don't ask him to clarify what he believes

646
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:47,800
in the topic of religion while he's debating the topic

647
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,400
at any rate.

648
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I think this was a fair point. And then

649
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:56,880
she goes on to say that when Peterson went on

650
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,360
Joe Rogan, he explained that he had the gut issues,

651
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:06,159
and the gut issues will mess you up for many days.

652
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 13: But this is what he says, and I noticed was

653
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that when we restricted our diet and then ate something

654
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:15,840
we weren't supposed to, the reaction to eating what we

655
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,400
weren't supposed to was absolutely catastrophic.

656
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,519
Speaker 1: Did what did you switch to? Or what did you eat?

657
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 14: Rather?

658
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Speaker 5: Well, the worst response, I think we're allergic to or

659
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,480
allergic whatever the hell this is having an inflammatory response

660
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:31,840
to something called sul fights. And we had some apple

661
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,800
cider that had sull fights in it, and that was

662
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,960
really not good. Like, I was done for a month.

663
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,679
That was the first time I talked to Sam.

664
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Speaker 1: Here again, I just apple cider for a month. I mean,

665
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,320
I have pretty bad gut issues, and if I eat

666
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,000
something really wrong or about from my gut, it will

667
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,119
mess me up for maybe a week, maybe ten days,

668
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,719
I could see, you know, but a month. You were

669
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:00,639
done for a month.

670
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,119
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it took me out for a month.

671
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:04,519
Speaker 7: It was awful, really yeah, yeah, so I would.

672
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Speaker 1: Say, and so this is right before, by the way,

673
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,599
not apple cider vinegar. Don't misunderstand apple cider, not apple

674
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cider vinegar.

675
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 5: This whole truth conversation with Sam Harrison got struck in

676
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the mud during I think the day I talked to

677
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,679
Sam was like the worst day of my life. Not

678
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,679
because of talking to Sam, but it was just physics.

679
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,000
Oh Jesus, I was so dead, but I didn't want

680
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:27,599
to not do it.

681
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 7: That's whole cider, Like, what was it doing?

682
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: What was it doing to you?

683
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 7: Oh?

684
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Speaker 5: It produced an overwhelming sense of impending doom. And I've

685
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,599
seriously been overwhelming, Like, there's no way I could have

686
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:42,480
lived like that if that would have lasted for see

687
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:43,320
Mikaela k Newman.

688
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,599
Speaker 1: Now, it's true that when you mess up your gut,

689
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,239
that will definitely affect your psychology and your mood, right,

690
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,000
because the gut is another brain, right, there's the gut brain,

691
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,639
you know, nexus and all that. The guts like your

692
00:47:56,679 --> 00:48:00,199
second brain, and it can definitely you know, a bad die.

693
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,480
Bad food can absolutely mess you up, you know, emotionally,

694
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:09,079
it can make you totally screwed up. That's why my view, like,

695
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:13,880
I've never been pro pill, pro pharma, totally against all

696
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,440
pharma stuff, which is ironic because what a JBP say

697
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,360
in his book, right, be sure to take your mids right.

698
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 5: By that point that it would probably only last a month,

699
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And I was.

700
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 8: Like a month, ye a month, cider.

701
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,159
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't sleep that month. I didn't sleep for

702
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:37,000
twenty five days. I didn't sleep at all. I didn't

703
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,320
sleep at all for twenty five days.

704
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Speaker 8: How is that possible? I'll tell you how.

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Speaker 1: It's So wait, if it's a month, and that would

706
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be twenty eight to thirty days, So wait, he said,

707
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,559
you say twenty eight days, So that would be twenty

708
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:57,480
eight days, but or twenty five days of no sleep

709
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:02,360
three days of sleep within that span, so one day

710
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,719
of sleep a month, I mean possible.

711
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 5: You lay in bed, frozen in something approximating terror for

712
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,800
eight hours and then you get up.

713
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,119
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh yeah, and this is from cider.

714
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:15,440
That's what we thought.

715
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:20,079
Speaker 10: Yeah, oh, I mean, I'm not an expert. I just

716
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,440
know that apple cider is just an apple. It's just

717
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,119
an apple being juiced, and they don't add anything to it.

718
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:28,920
It's just an apple. And I have never prior to

719
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,320
that discussion heard of that sort of a reaction. Now,

720
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,960
this conversation, I'm not an expert, but it's just an

721
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:41,039
apple station, to be clear, took place in twenty eighteen, okay,

722
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,159
and then shortly thereafter, the official storyline got even more confusing.

723
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,880
Or people that were fans of Jordan Peterson I counted

724
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,800
myself among them. Officially, the public was told that Jordan

725
00:49:53,880 --> 00:50:00,480
had entered various rehabs from Toronto to New York to Russia.

726
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: And then I think it came out that it was meds,

727
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,440
that he'd been prescribed or whatever. I'm not making a judgment,

728
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,800
I don't I'm not saying anything about anybody's personal medical

729
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,360
I don't get into like personal drama stuff. It's not

730
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,480
my thing. But it reminds me too. Then of this

731
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:27,559
is what led to the drama between Candace and Mikayla

732
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:34,239
on Pierce This, did you guys see this?

733
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 8: I'm gonna bring these two together. Candace owns host of

734
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,639
the Candace Punk Cut, So.

735
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Speaker 1: Those were a couple of months ago, and this is

736
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:57,599
the ongoing drama over this issue of the spat. Candace

737
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:01,559
calls out Mikayla on immigration wise knowledge.

738
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 10: But to be clear, the program has been around since

739
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,039
nineteen ninety.

740
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 9: So the results aren't up for debate.

741
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: We were just simply by the way I have to say.

742
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:12,480
I mean, I think in the topic, like on the topics,

743
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,440
I think I don't think Mikhaela is going to win

744
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:17,800
on the topics.

745
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 10: Lied to about what we were told it was going

746
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,760
to do, which was to source the top one percent

747
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,800
of talent globally. Instead they're using the program to source cashiers, teachers, janitors,

748
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,840
pr people. So I'm going to have to believe that

749
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,480
the American people are very much capable and willing to

750
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,440
fulfill those positions and that instead this program has been

751
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,360
completely abused to get foreign workers here who then have

752
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,159
a pathway to citizenship, and it lowers worker wages.

753
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 8: And don't know what you're talking about.

754
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,159
Speaker 1: It's pedetle Cliff. Now this is the drama part from that.

755
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't sleep that month. I didn't sleep for

756
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,079
twenty five days. I didn't sleep at all. I didn't

757
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:57,440
sleep at all for twenty five days.

758
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 8: How is that possible? I'll tell you how it's possible.

759
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,639
Speaker 5: You lay in bed, frozen in something approximating terror for

760
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:06,039
eight hours and then you get up.

761
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh yeah, this is some cider.

762
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 9: I feel like Joe Rogan is all of us.

763
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,119
Speaker 10: I'm listening to that and it doesn't pass the sniff test.

764
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:19,719
I'm just going, wait, apple cider, you didn't sleep for

765
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,239
how long? What are you talking about? He brings up Mikaela,

766
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,559
by the way, that's his daughter. Were going to get

767
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:28,199
into it. That explanation does not make sense to me whatsoever. Again,

768
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,079
I'm not a doctor. I'm not claiming to know how

769
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:34,639
everybody's body reacts to apple cider. But I just don't

770
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,960
think that you wouldn't sleep for that long because of it.

771
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 8: Okay, did an attack.

772
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 4: Well, I'll come to you a moment, Candace, because of

773
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,559
how did you feel when you when you heard about that?

774
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:52,519
Speaker 15: Well, I think it's funny because like we're connected online, Candice.

775
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:56,079
Speaker 1: So it doesn't sound like an ad hominem attack. I mean,

776
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:59,079
maybe she threw in a joke or something, but that

777
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:04,239
isn't calling into question someone's account of this event, isn't

778
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:07,199
That's not really an ad hominem attage.

779
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 15: It's an issue with my family. She could literally just

780
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,599
message me. Her husband has my husband's phone number, you know.

781
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,519
So it's just like a weird thing to do. I

782
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:18,119
don't know where it came from. As for the apple

783
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,079
cider reaction, I've gone over this so many times, but

784
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,960
I can like it's fair if Candace didn't know this,

785
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,920
Although I don't know why you would make a twenty

786
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,760
six minute video without doing some research. It wasn't apple cider.

787
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,079
It was a sodium meta by sulfide allergy and it

788
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:36,719
was near anaphull axis and people don't sleep in that state.

789
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jordan Peterson said that it was apple cider.

790
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:44,559
Speaker 15: So and when we went through that, which was horrible,

791
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,960
it was horrible. We had a hard time with medical system.

792
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:49,440
We didn't know.

793
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,679
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think Candace's point, as you guys

794
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,519
are saying in the chat, right, is that Jordan went

795
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:59,599
into rehab after this, so it seems like that might

796
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,239
have been was really going on and not apple cider.

797
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 15: How to treat it. It took us like years to

798
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,480
figure out what the allergy was. If you talk to

799
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:09,360
a doctor and say you have that allergy, they go,

800
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,960
what's that Like? It's not a common allergy, but it's

801
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,559
not uncommon. You can google it.

802
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not accusing. I don't think

803
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,440
Jordan Peterson has done anything morally wrong. If he had

804
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,239
an addiction or if he was prescribed something and the

805
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:28,400
you know, the the pharma stuff, you know, messed him up.

806
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:30,760
I have never been a fan of pharma stuff, So

807
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,719
I'm not even saying that I think Peterson did something

808
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,360
immoral or whatever. It's just it's just a weird series

809
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,400
of events. It's bizarre, that's all I'm saying.

810
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,679
Speaker 15: It just seems a little bit cruel to like pull

811
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,639
that up. You also started that video by saying, you

812
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:50,320
know why is Jordan Peterson's audience male audience like diminishing.

813
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,519
Let's get into it, which is just it's manipulative, right,

814
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:56,519
It's not true.

815
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,079
Speaker 1: Well, it is true that when he makes certain comments

816
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:09,480
he does get ratio nowadays, and majority replies are the

817
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,719
opposite of what he's saying, and I don't recall that

818
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,199
happening back in the day.

819
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 15: Right, you have this giant audience, Candace, and you say

820
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,280
these things as if they're true, which confuses people when

821
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,280
they're not. So like, I don't know what to say

822
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,559
about it. It's aggravating, and I think it's a mean

823
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:30,760
girl high school tactic.

824
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: Okay. One thing I will say is like some of

825
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,800
the topics that Candace covers and focuses on I don't

826
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,960
really care about, like Blake Lively. I mean, I know,

827
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:46,199
I understand she's covering it because it's media and it's

828
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:54,599
popular stuff like and I mean the Macron stuff. It's like, okay, yeah,

829
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,599
probably that's could happen. But I just like, to me,

830
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:01,039
those things aren't big deals. I mean, they're they're not

831
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:07,079
like lead stories. Maybe they get a lot of clicks

832
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:13,159
and attention, which that's just how media works. But but

833
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,199
I don't think she's so far. I've seen her be

834
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,039
pretty well researched and when she does these debates, Candace,

835
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:23,480
you're amano or should I say, when she does these

836
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,119
topics again? By the way, this is going to be

837
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,840
funny too. Like, I don't know what to expect Monday.

838
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,639
I have no idea. I mean, we can thank our

839
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:40,360
great Lord Yakoub right because he's created us white people

840
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:48,719
to serve Queen Candace right. But it'll be funny if

841
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,679
if Monday, uh, you know, we get a panel, and

842
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,880
I mean I just can't wait to see who the

843
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,400
panel's going to be. It's going to be exciting. I mean,

844
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:02,719
I have no idea. You know, they don't tell you.

845
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,159
So it's going to be exciting if we've got like

846
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:12,800
I mean, it's supposed to be about Papa Frank, right,

847
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:23,840
and if we get Papa Frank, I mean, if we

848
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,000
get that, if we get Papa Frank defenders, I mean,

849
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:32,440
it's gonna be a blast, right. I mean it could

850
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:38,519
be like who knows, they might be like me, uh,

851
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:45,960
somebody liberal criticizing Francis and then like a Francis champion,

852
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,920
you know what I mean. Like, I have no idea

853
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:53,079
who it'll be. It's gonna be wild, though, So I

854
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:55,199
don't know if it's a segment or like a full

855
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:00,599
you know, episode, panel episode of Sassin in each Other

856
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:03,599
And y'all know I can go a full forty five

857
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:08,880
minutes a sass, right, y'all know that? Right? Y'all ready

858
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,239
for a forty five minute sas fest on Piers Morgan,

859
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:14,719
that's gonna be wild.

860
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:18,599
Speaker 10: Accusing me about homine attacks when I feel like she's

861
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:21,320
engaging in them. Just to be clear and to contextualize

862
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,199
this clip, Jordan Peterson was trending, I cover trends, I

863
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:26,320
cover the news, and I think it's fair to cover

864
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,039
topics when they come to the surface. He was essentially

865
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,440
tweeting ad homin attacks that were written like sonnets.

866
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 9: It was very bizarre and people.

867
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,639
Speaker 1: Were going, that is an odd thing. Right. Peterson does

868
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:42,079
these poems where he goes after people critiquing the insuls

869
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:43,920
in their mom's basement or what. It's just it's kind

870
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,239
of weird, like if you disagree, you know, if you're following,

871
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:50,920
if you follow a fuenttest, you're you know, living in

872
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,039
your mom's basement or whatever. Like he does these in

873
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:55,679
a day. He writes it like a poem. It is weird, and.

874
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 10: What's going on with doctor Jordan Peterson, and it became

875
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,440
a Twitter trend and so I covered it. Is there

876
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,639
something wrong with covering a trending topic? I certainly don't

877
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:05,320
think there is, or I wouldn't have a podcast for

878
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,159
things to speak about. Regarding the hit your Father's audience,

879
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,760
there were a lot of people who app oh, man.

880
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if it was scam scam shamou William

881
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,920
Albrecht and then me and somebody else on the panel.

882
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,719
That's a little too whild. I don't think that would

883
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,960
be I don't think that's the I mean it would

884
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,719
be funny. I'll let this, I'll let the.

885
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:32,599
Speaker 7: Poop.

886
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: The monkey poop will be flying if that happened, right,

887
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:41,639
roll Stakes became a member for thirteen months. What did

888
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:44,639
you already cover Doves flying at the Vatican? No? I

889
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:47,440
did not. Doves flying at the Trackcats are going full

890
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:52,519
soyface with doves flying at the Vatican. Man, Rob mcallacs man,

891
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:56,519
you guys love like this. The goofiest just damn omens

892
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:00,559
and shit, which means absolutely nothing. It's so supid, like

893
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:02,719
doves flying at them. Now, I gotta see what it is.

894
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:07,159
Let's let's go to X doves flying. So what is

895
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:10,159
that supposed to mean? Like, oh, Francis is flapping his

896
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:14,840
way into heaven. But why would uh trad cats like that?

897
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,920
Trad cats would should hate Francis doves? Vatican? Here we go.

898
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,480
What is this supposed to mean? By the way, you'll

899
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:29,760
notice like when, uh, when when lightning struck the Vatican

900
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,039
a few years ago? Right, all the tradcats, it's a

901
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:39,840
sign from God. The lightning struck the Vatican. Oh wow,

902
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:43,079
A bunch of birds fly over the Vatican. Oh, it's

903
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:46,079
a sign. It's a sign that Francis is what in heaven?

904
01:00:46,239 --> 01:01:02,960
What the heck is that supposed to mean? Hundreds of

905
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:05,639
it doesn't even say doves. Hundreds of white birds fly

906
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:11,400
over Saint Peters Square. Wow, it's there. You go, a

907
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:14,119
proof that you know, because alicism is true, There you go.

908
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:18,480
I mean, imagine basing your religion on the stupid shit

909
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:23,440
like this. This is no wonder. People are struggling after.

910
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,599
Speaker 10: His addiction and feeling like he was not honest about

911
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:28,360
his addiction. A lot of men who sort of switched

912
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,639
off from Jordan Peterson.

913
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 9: I mean that is just a fact.

914
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: Now this is an interesting I mean, Candice went right

915
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,119
for the jugular here right with like, oh, well, you know,

916
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,920
it turns out seems like Jordan was actually struggling with

917
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:46,840
addiction and covered it with an irritable bowel syndrome apple

918
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:47,880
diarrhea story.

919
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 10: Understand and respect that it is your father, and so

920
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,719
you're naturally going to be defensive of him, and if

921
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:55,639
it was a found member of mine, I would naturally

922
01:01:55,639 --> 01:01:56,840
be defensive of him.

923
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:02,079
Speaker 1: It looked like seagulls, so now seagulls are doves.

924
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 10: But to pretend like I plucked the topic out of cure,

925
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:10,480
out of pure air simply to be a mean girl,

926
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,239
and not because it was trending, literally saying that people

927
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,239
are wondering what's going on with Jordan Peterson. I think

928
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,719
that's you not being very genuine about why I was

929
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,159
discussing it. And I think that I was tremendously respectful.

930
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,079
I also paid him a huge.

931
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,239
Speaker 1: I would have to say that out of debating. You know,

932
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,000
I have again, I have some critiques of Candace. I

933
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:41,000
think that probably for female debaters, there's not many of those.

934
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,039
She might be the best debater for female debaters, but

935
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,760
there's not even that many female debaters. But she's a

936
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,119
pretty good debater. She kind of seems like a law girl,

937
01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:53,079
you know, like a lawyer chick, you know what I mean.

938
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,800
But I will say that in this discussion, and Mikayla

939
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,480
actually held up pretty good under this sort of interrogation.

940
01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:06,400
Here you'll see what.

941
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:07,119
Speaker 9: I mean, compliment.

942
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 10: I think his book and what it did for men

943
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,280
worldwide at a time when men were being completely stomped

944
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,800
on and masculinity was being questioned, And I said, I

945
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,119
would never remove that and would never take the credit

946
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:20,280
away from him. But there have been some things that

947
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,800
have just registered to the public as odd. I didn't

948
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,079
make your father trend that day, so I think he's

949
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:28,679
able to deal with a little bit of criticism.

950
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 15: You want to respond, mckenneth, I guess I'm just confused

951
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,079
because Candace said she wasn't into celebrity culture. So then

952
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:39,280
I thought maybe it was just a personal thing if

953
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,880
it's not about a celebrity. But maybe I just got

954
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:43,480
that wrong.

955
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: That is interesting because if you're not into celebrity culture,

956
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:52,840
you wouldn't be covering celebrities. But then so I think

957
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,760
that's actually a fair point. But Candace is arguing, well,

958
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,559
I'm not covering celebrities I'm covering whatever's trending that day.

959
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 15: I don't know what else I can respond about that.

960
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,880
People can listen to can I can I finish? Thank you?

961
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,960
People can listen to the twenty six minute like you

962
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,320
can say, oh, I said something nice at the end.

963
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,719
It's the same thing. When you say these things and

964
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,639
your tone is off, you can be like, oh, tone

965
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:18,519
doesn't matter, but you.

966
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:23,159
Speaker 1: I mean, MICHAELA was actually making a good point there

967
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:26,280
and then going into tone as just such weak sauce, like,

968
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:29,519
come on, let's not everybody knows. And when you start

969
01:04:29,519 --> 01:04:31,800
debating the tone, it's because you don't really want to

970
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:32,679
address the issues.

971
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:37,079
Speaker 15: Say things sometimes in a bit of a manipulative fashion

972
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:39,239
to get people to think a certain way, and then

973
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,119
when people bring them up, you go, well, those aren't

974
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:45,119
the words I said. But tone matters too. Anyway. People

975
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:47,039
can go on YouTube and listen to the twenty sixth

976
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,000
minute section of your video on Dad and see what

977
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:53,000
they think. I think it's high school mean girl tactics.

978
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,360
I don't care if you think that's ad hominem either.

979
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: That was a pretty u I mean, it was a

980
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,119
little weak sauce with the tone, but like and then

981
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:07,039
she's sitting like this, right, So if we do this

982
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:10,599
like that low tier body language shit, right, Like Michalo

983
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:14,920
seems pretty sand offish, and Candas just seems like a

984
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:19,400
ferocious lawyer in this situation, right, Like it's almost like

985
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,559
a I don't know, like a politician staring you down

986
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:22,039
or something.

987
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,719
Speaker 10: Well, I would just say that when I was referring

988
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:28,679
to celebrity culture, I meant worshiping people because they're celebrities.

989
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:31,679
So I think that would make me ideologically consistent. And

990
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:34,000
like I said, he was trending that day. I covered

991
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:36,320
it as a trending topic. It's not a mean girl thing,

992
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:37,960
but it might feel that way to you because it's

993
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,400
your father and you have a personal relationship. You know,

994
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:47,119
if you are hurt from me covering the news. But

995
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,159
like I said, we have to develop a thicker skin

996
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:49,920
when we're in the public.

997
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 9: How many things, I mean, the.

998
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,119
Speaker 1: Canvas isn't just covering the news, right, She clearly had

999
01:05:57,239 --> 01:06:02,719
a position that is not just an objective covering of

1000
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,800
the news. This actually a position that you know, your

1001
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,840
dad is not probably not being honest about the situation,

1002
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,519
So it's more than just covering the news.

1003
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:14,119
Speaker 10: Are said about me routinely on a daily basis. If

1004
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:17,480
people want to cover after I have, you know, an addiction,

1005
01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:19,599
and and people say, hey, after this, I think people

1006
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:22,320
lost faith in Candice Owens and that becomes a trending topic.

1007
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,400
I think that's fair game. It may not feel good

1008
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,679
to me, but I think that it would be fair

1009
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:26,920
game and it would be newsworthy.

1010
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,599
Speaker 15: Okay, you do know that one fifth of Americans are

1011
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,039
on psych mads, right are you?

1012
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:38,159
Speaker 1: By the way, again, totally off topic, but to my

1013
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:44,159
point earlier about psychotic people in America, Yeah, like what

1014
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,639
almost a fourth of the country is on insane psychomeds.

1015
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:51,840
I mean, we're living in a damn dystopian, brave New

1016
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,639
World nightmare where a fourth of the country almost is

1017
01:06:55,679 --> 01:06:59,639
like literally on psycho meeds. So remember this. When you're

1018
01:06:59,679 --> 01:07:03,719
dealing with people in public, you're actually dealing with pretty uh.

1019
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,920
I mean one and four of the people you're dealing

1020
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,960
with is insane David five dollars or they're insane from

1021
01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:14,360
the meds David five dollars. Imagine peers in his underwear.

1022
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,840
If you get nervous, I'll be honest with you, like,

1023
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:22,400
I'm not that nervous about Peers himself. I want I'd liked,

1024
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,760
I want to navigate soul and charybdis because Peers is

1025
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:30,199
I think some kind of Catholic or he professes to

1026
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:35,039
be Catholic, So I don't. I can't go like super

1027
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,360
you know, insane on on Francis. I gotta I gotta

1028
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,920
be careful or they just will never have me back, right,

1029
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,719
But I also want to be you know, sassy and

1030
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,760
spicy in order to give a good you know, a

1031
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,079
bunch of retorts to the retorts that I'm going to

1032
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:55,800
be arguing with. I have no idea who's coming on.

1033
01:07:56,119 --> 01:08:00,199
It could be it could be a Catholic priest, could

1034
01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:02,559
be bishop, but what if it's Bishop Baron? Dude? Oh

1035
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:09,400
what if I get the debate Bishop Baron? I mean,

1036
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,800
I have no idea who'll be on there. So it

1037
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,440
could be Tim Gordon, it could be Michael Knowles, who knows.

1038
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:16,800
There's no telling.

1039
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 15: Right where of the statistics, yes, are those all people

1040
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:20,720
with attection?

1041
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:21,079
Speaker 5: Like?

1042
01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 15: Is that your is that your view of people on

1043
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,000
psych meds? Just in general?

1044
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,039
Speaker 1: That was an interesting technique, so it sounded like MICHAELA

1045
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:40,039
was trying to turn the audience against Candice because michaela

1046
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:43,279
is saying almost a fourth of population is on meds?

1047
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,760
Are you saying that everyone on meds is like some

1048
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,199
kind of attic? Is that where she's going to say,

1049
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:50,399
he's trying to turn the audience.

1050
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:51,279
Speaker 9: Against her fair game?

1051
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 10: It may not feel good to me, but I think

1052
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,640
that it would be fair game and it would be newsworthy.

1053
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 8: Okay, you do know that.

1054
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 15: One fifth of Americans are on psych meds, right? Are

1055
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:00,880
you aware of the statistics?

1056
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:01,159
Speaker 14: Yes?

1057
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,119
Speaker 15: Are those all people with at action?

1058
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 4: Like?

1059
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 15: Is that your is that your m That was a little.

1060
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: Bit of a So I'm gonna say Mikayla's point here

1061
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,960
was actually manipulative. She's trying to manipulate the audience to

1062
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,840
be against what Candace is saying because she said, you

1063
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,680
understand that a large portion of the audience is on meds?

1064
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,319
Are they all addicts? In other words, hey, in the audience,

1065
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,119
you should be mad at her for this is an

1066
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:30,279
emotional appeal.

1067
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,079
Speaker 15: View of people on psychmds, just in general.

1068
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,039
Speaker 1: Emotional appeals of fallacy.

1069
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:39,039
Speaker 10: By the way, No, your your father spoke out about

1070
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,800
his Benzo addiction, So I don't understand why you're asking

1071
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,159
you Nobo Benzo attendance.

1072
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: Uh, what's so there's now some psycho term difference between

1073
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:58,079
addiction and dependence. I mean, this is getting we're playing word.

1074
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 15: Games, Benzo dependence. Maybe you don't know anything about this.

1075
01:10:02,079 --> 01:10:06,560
If you're on a psych med long term, you form

1076
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,760
a dependence on it and it's very difficult to get

1077
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,560
off of. They're starting to teach this in medical school.

1078
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,960
It's a disaster because so many Americans are on psych meds. So, yeah,

1079
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,680
he suffered from psych med withdrawal because they, like, they

1080
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,359
make you form a dependence on it, especially long term. Yeah.

1081
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:25,520
Speaker 1: Well, now wait a minute. I mean Peterson in his

1082
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:30,359
book originally was saying take your meds. So has he

1083
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:31,680
reversed his position.

1084
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:34,079
Speaker 15: On this, calling it an addiction as if he was

1085
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:36,800
on heroin or something is manipulative.

1086
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,520
Speaker 1: Well, it's not manipulative. If that's most people's understanding and

1087
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,239
usage of the term addiction, right. A lot of people,

1088
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:52,880
for example, are prescribed painkillers after an accident, and then

1089
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,760
they form an addiction to the painkiller and they're not

1090
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,920
it's a there's no moral fault on the part of

1091
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,159
the person because they ended up having this negative effect

1092
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,600
that they didn't intend to have. From taking the prescribed

1093
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,319
pain relievers, right, So it's kind of unfair to say

1094
01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:17,800
that it's necessarily negative. We do oftentimes think of addiction

1095
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,920
as negative, but it's not necessarily that, right, as if

1096
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,159
there's some moral flaw. So this is kind of getting

1097
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:27,079
a little more manipulative on the part of Michaela.

1098
01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 15: I think, you know, so when we talked about it

1099
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,319
and we were very honest about what was going on,

1100
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,119
part of it was to spread awareness that fifth of

1101
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:38,680
Americans are on medications that cause dependence and don't know it.

1102
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,359
It's horrible people die because of it.

1103
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: So this is I think Mikaela's this is actually kind

1104
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:55,359
of clever from a from an optics standpoint. I don't

1105
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:59,079
agree with the approach that Mikhaela has, but she's actually

1106
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:03,439
being pretty clever or to try to get an emotional

1107
01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:07,680
connection with the audience against Candace, I think that's what

1108
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:08,399
she's doing here.

1109
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,520
Speaker 15: I think laughing about it is.

1110
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: Like it's, yeah, these are emotional appeals, right, and emotional

1111
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,039
apeals are very effective, but they're fallacies.

1112
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 15: Just it's not cool.

1113
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 10: I certainly don't think I laughed at it. I think

1114
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,560
Benzo dependence is pretty much a euphemism for an addiction,

1115
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,479
and if you know anything about my work, that's being

1116
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,800
super crunchy and speaking.

1117
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:38,199
Speaker 1: About I mean Mikaela fussing over the word dependency versus addiction.

1118
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:39,840
This comes off as weak.

1119
01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 10: Why I think medicines are bad because they do create dependencies,

1120
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,399
which then yields people going onto the streets for something stronger.

1121
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,479
I mean, the benzo addiction becomes a heroin addiction because

1122
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,439
the doctor won't write you the prescription anymore, so you

1123
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,560
turn the streets for something stronger because you're.

1124
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you guys think? This is looking

1125
01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:02,880
like a little a little rough here, chargey five dollars.

1126
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,880
I don't like listening to women in polemics. It's like

1127
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,439
when women are trying to be boss babes.

1128
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 9: You know.

1129
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: It's it'd be nice if we had, you know, guys

1130
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,239
being guys in running society. What are you going to do?

1131
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,319
It is what it is. Look, I'll take, you know,

1132
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,039
somebody at least making good arguments, whether it's male or female.

1133
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:27,640
Although I'd like to be the you know, guy making

1134
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,359
the arguments with the audience. But maybe one day we'll

1135
01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:34,399
get to that. We'll see NB. Five dollars. Anyone remember

1136
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,359
the part of Maps of Meaning where Peterson says that

1137
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,560
he had a wet dream about his grandmother. I've heard this.

1138
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,560
I've not read this book, but I've heard this. See

1139
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,479
fy eight five dollars. I've finished reading Reflections of Russian Statement.

1140
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,680
I recommend the book by the way. I'm reading through

1141
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:55,039
Liberty or Quality by Leaden, but I'm needing more book

1142
01:13:55,079 --> 01:13:59,520
recommendations on monarchism. Thank you. I don't know that many

1143
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,880
books on that, so I'm not sure what to tell you.

1144
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,760
Storm the Cat three dollars. Their voices are annoying. I'm

1145
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,960
actually having a good time, like analyzing kind of the

1146
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:16,279
tactics here, because debates at this level of media and

1147
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,439
you know, for us, for our audience, we are more

1148
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:25,399
advanced in terms of debate proper. But for Normies and

1149
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:29,079
for the rest of the world, this is what debate is, right.

1150
01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:34,840
It's like them watching optics and performance, not listening to

1151
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:39,279
and analyzing the arguments being made. And I would venture

1152
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:42,119
to say probably for ninety percent of the public and

1153
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:43,760
people that are out there, I mean, just think about

1154
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,520
how politics works. Politics has nothing to do with logic

1155
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:53,359
and reasoning. It's all performance looks it's all pizazz, smoking

1156
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:58,560
mirrors and like two percent actual policies. And so we

1157
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,239
can watch an exchange like this, which is actually kind

1158
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:06,680
of interesting from the standpoint of like who is using

1159
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,239
what technique here? You know, I mean, we've analyzed tons

1160
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:14,680
of debates. This one is really no different because it

1161
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:19,239
looked to me like Mikayla started out by saying, Candace,

1162
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:23,600
you're really manipulative, But as this discussion progressed, the actual

1163
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,880
manipulation technique was much more on the side of Mikayla

1164
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:30,279
than it was Candace. In this discussion.

1165
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 9: Body is dependent on it.

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Speaker 10: I'm sorry that again, you are offended by this conversation

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simply because it is your father.

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Speaker 9: I don't think I've been offensive in my language.

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Speaker 10: And if you find it to be manipulative, that I

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think that it impacted the way that By.

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Speaker 1: The way, somebody said, it's all theater, I mean in

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that sense. Yeah, like like media politics, it's a lot

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,079
of theatrics, right if you remember. But they were saying,

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remember when Obama got elected and they were doing these

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studies and they'd written all these analyzes that when they

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talked to you know, the average woman, why they voted

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for Obama, and it was like, because he talked and

1178
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:14,680
looked so smooth, Like, we what do they have to

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do with whether he's a good presidential candidate? Right, So

1180
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like it has nothing to do with you know, what's

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really the case?

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Speaker 10: Ben saw him When they publicly were saying that on Twitter,

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we covered the tweets that people were writing on that

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day about how you know they used to idolize him.

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They're so grateful ally his book, but this is not

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01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:33,079
the person that they knew. Again, I'm sorry you're offended

1187
01:16:33,079 --> 01:16:35,119
by that, but it's just the reality of what happened.

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And I can tell this is a sensitive topic for you,

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but it is what it is. Michael, I don't know

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what to say. I don't think anybody's anybody's laughed at it.

1191
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,079
I think it's a good conversation to be had. And

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no one is more anti big Pharma than me. I mean,

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01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,920
I have an entire series against big Pharma.

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Speaker 15: So I don't even know where to start with that.

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You know, Benzo addicts will go.

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Speaker 1: By the way. I'm not saying that Candace can't engage

1197
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in the same types of techniques, right, I'm just saying

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in this discussion. So you can disagree with me on

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this assessment if you want, It's fine. H Brosey ten

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dollars on your next space. I want to call in

1201
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and detail the insane interaction I have with a bunch

1202
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,520
of men who literally told me that they don't care

1203
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,479
about logic in the argument and they used an ad

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popular on me. Well yeah, man, like, if you're in

1205
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,000
the normy world, they're not going to listen. They don't

1206
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,680
care about logic. Melan Kisner five dollars. If Candace is

1207
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,079
playing the role of a shark, Mikayla is the fox.

1208
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Mikayla is actually more manipulative. I'm just talking about in

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this discussion.

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Speaker 15: To the street for a heroine. There's just we were

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trying to spread awareness about psych med withdrawal, and we

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were very honest about what everybody was going through. I

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went through psych med withdraw myself. It was one of

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the worst ex my life. It kills people, causes acathesia,

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which gets makes people suicidal. It's a terrible side effect.

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So that's what we were talking about.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you want, okay, well, but I mean then

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Jordan Peterson needs to say that you know he was

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wrong when he said in his first book.

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Speaker 10: Take your marriage to treat Benzo addiction. That's what we

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01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,359
were told by the press, the New York Post and

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New York Times, his twelve rules at tour.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to get to the point about the

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psychopaths or whatever.

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Speaker 10: And he called the a pharosyacal pretender. This is a

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real tweet because I said, Crisis King. This is the

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one that Crisis King has broken so many people.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I didn't see this tweet, so this actually

1229
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was about her. So so Peterson is saying that she's

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the phariseical pretender. She proclaims her devotion for no other

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reason than to elevate elevate her perceived status. Her outrage

1232
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is a design not to shout the truth, but build bridges,

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not to shout to the roots about rivers or make peace.

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But it's a burt Christianity with the new force her

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own purposes. She uses God's name in vain. There are

1236
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few more unforgivable sins. So let's hear her reaction to

1237
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That's a pretty pretty spicy comment there.

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Speaker 15: It was brains.

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Speaker 9: It's amazing, it's incredible.

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Speaker 10: Why the declaration that Crisis King has broken tony people's brains.

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Speaker 9: I wasn't even speaking to him. I was speaking of

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somebody else, and I.

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Speaker 10: Said, thank you for re upping this most crucial conversation

1244
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,840
about christ Is King. Almost exactly a year later, and

1245
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once again during the season of Lent, after a year

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of thoughtfulness. I want you to know, but I will

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never stop declaring it now.

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Speaker 1: One thing I have to say about Candace is that,

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wait a minute, didn't you choose roma Catholicism you become

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a trad cat. That's the huge mistake that you made,

1251
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because the very people that you're criticizing, all the big

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Z pretty sure Francis and the Vatican to Papacy are

1253
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one percent bowing down and worshiping those people. Why would

1254
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,199
you choose to become a trad cat if you have

1255
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a committed opposition to big Z?

1256
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Speaker 9: Here hmmm interesting if I think about that tweet, keep

1257
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that back up.

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Speaker 10: Anything about me saying that make you think that someone

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should be jumping in and calling you a pharisyacal portender, Well,

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that's what doctor Jordan Peterson does on X is how

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he behaves on X. Okay, there's this long threads of

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him writing these like poetry, like literally, it reads like poetry,

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but he's calling people names.

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Speaker 1: Debate Elijah. Uh. We tried to tell Elijah to come

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and debate at the Vegas debate that UBI is doing.

1266
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I don't think he has any interest in that. And

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then I asked. I told Elijah he's welcome to hop

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01:20:43,239 --> 01:20:46,079
on a open space at any time. He doesn't want

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to do that. He says that he must have a

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formal debate with a moderator, so he wasn't interested in

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the in person debate that presumably would have a moderator

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because it's moderated between UBI and Voice of Reason, which

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I'll might be at in person. And then Elijah says

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he's too good for an open space call in, and

1275
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he demands a moderator. I don't owe him a moderator

1276
01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:16,560
if he doesn't want to call in. My policy has

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always been, if you've got a low number, low subscriber count,

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we don't know who you are, you barely have an audience.

1279
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I don't owe you a formal debate. And if you

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think that's running, then call in on the open space. No,

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I'm not going to do that because I need a moderator.

1282
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I mean, I can give you a timed response. No,

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I deserve a moderator because I'm actually really.

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Speaker 10: Important at how many attacks? He writes Candice Owens a

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true farcycle pretender.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the day that I was sending the

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x space or talking to Elijah Yassi and another dude

1288
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:57,760
about an open space debate, they literally sat there for

1289
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like twenty minutes debating me in the DMS about debates

1290
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and how debates should work. And I'm like, I'm not

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01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:10,119
going to debate you on debates. You can call in

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01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:13,960
on my space or UBI can set up something right,

1293
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,479
which UBI was talking to Yasi about coming and debating

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at the live event. That's it, man, don't I'm not

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gonna sit. I don't owe everyone with three thousand followers

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of debate.

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Speaker 10: Again, this is a guy who is not asserted that

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crisis anything in his life. He is not baptized, and

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he gets angry and people push him on what his

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religion is. She vociferously proclaims sort of votion to Christ

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01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:39,680
for no other reason than to elevate her perceived status.

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Her outrage is design not to shout the truth from

1303
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,039
the rooftops, but to build bridges or make peace. But

1304
01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:48,000
to subvert Christianity itself with its new force to her

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own purposes. She's literally using gods.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, the problem with these kinds of things

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is that this just always turns into people arguing about motives,

1308
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:05,039
and that's like the most weak ass way to totally

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01:23:05,239 --> 01:23:07,840
leave and deflect from a debate. I mean, we saw

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01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,880
leather Daddy Albrecht and scam Shamou do the exact same

1311
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:17,119
thing two weeks ago. They'll go notts crazy, all this stuff,

1312
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:22,199
anything but actually agreeing to come to do a debate, right,

1313
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throw a fit, poison the well, throw a poo poo

1314
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bomb in the middle of everything so that there will

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01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:33,079
not be a debate, and then spend the rest of

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01:23:33,119 --> 01:23:36,960
the time bitching about how everyone has bad motives, everyone's

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01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,479
so evil. Oh, they're just the worst person ever. Why

1318
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:43,760
don't you just go confront the person and have a formal,

1319
01:23:44,079 --> 01:23:48,039
moderated debate. I'm talking about when it's a big name person, right,

1320
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,439
how come you won't give lud y'ausity a formal debate.

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01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,079
I don't owe a three thousand follower person a formal debate.

1322
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And UBI even said come to the Vegas thing when

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I'm debating Voice of Reason, and we'll try to set

1324
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,600
up something with you and Jakin debate or something. Well, no,

1325
01:24:14,279 --> 01:24:16,279
Ubi says he doesn't want to do that. I don't know.

1326
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I don't talk to Elijah Gyassi, but Ubi said something

1327
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,279
to the effect of he wasn't interested in that. Okay,

1328
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well whatever, I'm not gonna sit here. I mean, I

1329
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,640
think everybody over here knows, like, if you really want

1330
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,680
to debate me, it is possible to set that up.

1331
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,079
And I don't know why some of y'all can't understand

1332
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,840
that a lot of these people don't actually want to debate, right.

1333
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I know you can't figure that out. That's hard for

1334
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:48,560
you to figure it out. But was it hard for

1335
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,279
us to set up on my side a debate with

1336
01:24:52,119 --> 01:24:57,680
stuff on Malnu, Matt Dila, Monkey Shaike, Azra Rashid, Paul Williams,

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doctor Shamira Lee, Jake the Muslim at a physician Daniel Hikikachu.

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Was it hard to set up a debate with any

1339
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of those people? No, it was easy. How come the

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Muslims like it's easy to set up a debate with

1341
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a Muslim?

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Speaker 8: Not?

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Speaker 1: The only one who was hard was Jake. Jake the

1344
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Muslim at a physician was a nightmare to try to

1345
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,239
set the debate up with because he kept bitching and

1346
01:25:21,279 --> 01:25:23,039
whining and I don't want this, I want this, I

1347
01:25:23,079 --> 01:25:34,000
don't want this. Right, how come we've had no problems

1348
01:25:34,039 --> 01:25:36,279
setting up a debate with all of these other people

1349
01:25:37,279 --> 01:25:41,399
and then these whining, bitching idiots and losers with two

1350
01:25:41,399 --> 01:25:49,399
thousand followers or whatever like Yasi. It's just like they'll

1351
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they'll debate with you in DMS for thirty minutes about debating,

1352
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and I finally just told y'as like I do, I'll

1353
01:25:55,680 --> 01:26:02,359
have time for this. I'm not wasting my time. Dude,

1354
01:26:02,399 --> 01:26:05,359
are you lonely? Get over yourself? You just try to

1355
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,720
be cool. Yes, I am trying to be cool and

1356
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,159
argue with everyone. That's my life's mission is to be

1357
01:26:11,319 --> 01:26:16,439
cool and argue with everyone. I open up for open

1358
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,800
form debate and have done that for seven years now

1359
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,880
on Twitter. And I've been debating since two the year

1360
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two thousand, so I've been debating for twenty five years. Yeah,

1361
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I mean that in the case of all break, that's

1362
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what it is. It's like you offer all of these

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different options, then they won't agree. They'll have some minor

1364
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,920
disagreement and then say that you're running. That's what happened

1365
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,560
with Jake, right. Jake said for many years that there

1366
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will be no cross examinations. Jake the musle metaphysician for

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many years would not agree to cross examination, and then

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finally he caved on that, and that's how we had

1369
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the debate. So that's why Jake would never do it.

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And I was like, I'm not going to debate you

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if you don't allow that, because I want to pin

1372
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you down. Lamina twenty dollars, you're the best in the business. Well,

1373
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thank you so much. Let me appreciate that, Ah Brosey,

1374
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:20,680
ten dollars. What pissed me off is that the big

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name profiles like Sarah Stock. I don't even know who

1376
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,439
that is. She sees you reply, ask her to come debate,

1377
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:32,319
she ignores it. But some Protestant goobert will she will

1378
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:34,399
probably instantly. Well, I mean, I don't know who Sarah

1379
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Stock is, but I think it just a lot of

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01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,079
people don't want to have a real debate. I mean,

1381
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the reason that we do pretty good over here. Who

1382
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,760
cares about cross examinations? People that don't want to lose,

1383
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,920
That's who because if you're not good at debate, that's

1384
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,520
where you're going to crash and burn. That's why it's

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not ever.

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Speaker 9: Stave in vain. There are a few more unforgivable sins.

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Speaker 10: Oh, okay, or I just said christ is king because

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there was a renewed attack on the phrase, which is

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being sponsored by doctor Peterson.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that there is any There are

1391
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no upcoming female debates. The dash of debate was like

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not that serious as a tongue in cheek debate. I

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mean it was halfway serious because she said she wanted

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to debate somebody orthodox, and she apparently wouldn't debate Luigi

1395
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:32,960
for whatever reason. So I'm all right, I'll debate. I'm

1396
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,079
not I'll debate a UNI eight yea, let's do it. Fine.

1397
01:28:36,079 --> 01:28:36,520
I don't care.

1398
01:28:37,119 --> 01:28:40,119
Speaker 10: Doctor Peterson teamed up with the ADL and the NCRI

1399
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:45,159
to try to label any political dissidence of theirs mentally ill.

1400
01:28:45,319 --> 01:28:47,279
Speaker 9: Okay. I think it's the thing that he's done that's

1401
01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:48,920
been the most beyond the pale for me. For me,

1402
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:49,680
it's hanging up.

1403
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 10: I am not a fan of doctor Jordan Peterson anymore

1404
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,880
because I see right through this. You'll recall, like I

1405
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,960
said during that lens to him in twelve non Christians.

1406
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,079
Speaker 9: It was like ten Jews and and I think.

1407
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,560
Speaker 10: It was two other people who were we didn't know

1408
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,439
what their background was. To state that Christ is king

1409
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,159
is a form of political extremism.

1410
01:29:09,159 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm not, by the way, I don't fault people who

1411
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,880
have bigger channels for not wanting to debate a smaller person.

1412
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:17,359
I mean, I know what that's like now, right. There's

1413
01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:21,039
not really any advantage or benefit to doing it. So

1414
01:29:21,279 --> 01:29:23,800
people that have, you know, a million, two million followers,

1415
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,439
I don't I don't expect them to actually debate me.

1416
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,439
It would be cool if they did, but I don't

1417
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,800
usually expect it. Uh. And it's in the same way

1418
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,600
like people who have two hundred followers, like they shouldn't

1419
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,960
expect that I have to debate them or whatever. Uh.

1420
01:29:39,039 --> 01:29:41,600
The only really the way that this I think happens

1421
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,960
is when enough people in the comments and in the

1422
01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:48,680
audience kind of bugs them enough that they think, all right,

1423
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,840
you know, I need some content I've been seeing for

1424
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,239
the last six months, this person's name in the chat.

1425
01:29:54,279 --> 01:29:56,479
That's how we got on timcast. That's how we got

1426
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,479
the debate with Stefan. That's how we got the debate

1427
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,520
with Matt Dilla hunting right. It took it took a

1428
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,560
good few years for those things to come about. When

1429
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:09,920
they saw the repeated references in the chat.

1430
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:12,199
Speaker 9: It ain't take a look.

1431
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 10: This was the if you forgot thy name in vein,

1432
01:30:15,039 --> 01:30:18,760
how online extremists hijacked christ is King utterly absurd to say,

1433
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:25,840
completely ridiculous. And you will note the NCRI actually is

1434
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,239
known for and by the way, to be clear.

1435
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: Like and by the way, this is like this Johnny

1436
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,960
Moore guy, he's like some mega Christian Zionist. It's like

1437
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:41,680
this probably was not the wise choice for Jordan Peterson

1438
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,479
to link up with this, to go after the term

1439
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:48,039
christ is King. I mean, I mean, unless you want

1440
01:30:48,039 --> 01:30:53,720
to alienate you know, a giant portion of your Christian audience,

1441
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,720
which I assume Jordan Peterson has a large Christian audience.

1442
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:01,239
But this really just kind of goes back to my

1443
01:31:01,319 --> 01:31:06,239
criticism seven years ago that classical liberalism is not compatible

1444
01:31:06,279 --> 01:31:09,520
with traditional Christianity. It's only going to be compatible with

1445
01:31:10,319 --> 01:31:17,880
these completely cocked versions of like Kukianity and evangelical nonsense. Right,

1446
01:31:18,279 --> 01:31:23,000
So you come to a certain crossroads where you gotta

1447
01:31:23,039 --> 01:31:26,319
part ways with it and if you don't, then well

1448
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,640
you're not in the domain of Christianity anymore.

1449
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,119
Speaker 10: Berten Peterson has now gone on tour, which is why

1450
01:31:31,119 --> 01:31:34,079
he's trending again today because he's trying to justify this

1451
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:38,880
report saying that like we can't say, no, Kanye.

1452
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 1: Was not correct. In fact, Kanye today said that all

1453
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,159
the Christians who believed in him were idiots and he

1454
01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:48,840
trolled you all. And did I ever promote Kanye? I

1455
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:52,079
did not, So I didn't fall for that many of

1456
01:31:52,079 --> 01:31:54,720
you fell for the Kanye syop. I did not. Now

1457
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,279
I did report on the Harley Pasternac thing because I

1458
01:31:57,279 --> 01:32:01,000
thought that was interesting, But a lot of trusted and

1459
01:32:01,039 --> 01:32:06,960
thought that Kanye was gonna, Oh he's so baze, And

1460
01:32:07,079 --> 01:32:09,720
everybody saw what Kanye has said in the last week

1461
01:32:10,079 --> 01:32:13,880
multiple like just totally ridiculous that which dude, Kanye is

1462
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,960
mentally ill, Like that was obvious and I don't know

1463
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:21,399
why people couldn't see that. But again, it's like a

1464
01:32:21,399 --> 01:32:24,159
lot of y'all don't have discernment. You didn't have discernment

1465
01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:27,079
for Jordan Peterson, you didn't have discernment on Kanye you

1466
01:32:27,119 --> 01:32:29,840
didn't have discernment at the time of Ceville. You didn't

1467
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:37,199
have discernment about name any other host of idiotic media

1468
01:32:37,279 --> 01:32:40,880
figures who many of you, many of you in general

1469
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,720
not talking about my audience. Many of you in general,

1470
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:48,720
you just fall for the latest talking head, yapper. And

1471
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,439
what about some discernment here? Are there? Is there discernment

1472
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,800
on Tate. Do a lot of y'all have Tate discernments.

1473
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,680
Some of y'all don't have any Tate discernment, which is

1474
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:02,399
kind of surprising. Did you you have Kanye discernment? I'm

1475
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,680
not even talking about the Cousins thing. I'm talking about

1476
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:11,199
what he said. What yesterday or today? Let's see Tristan

1477
01:33:11,279 --> 01:33:17,239
sent me this. Let's see what he said. Kanye admits

1478
01:33:17,319 --> 01:33:20,920
that he does not believe that it's a big Z

1479
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:26,159
Middle Eastern problem. Rather, the problem is Catholic people and

1480
01:33:26,199 --> 01:33:30,520
white people. Kanye says that his skin, the black skin,

1481
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:35,239
that black skin is what God is. In fact, that

1482
01:33:35,319 --> 01:33:39,439
he's been trolling this whole time, some shit ran.

1483
01:33:39,279 --> 01:33:42,319
Speaker 14: By the lower middle management, which is the Jews. Because

1484
01:33:42,319 --> 01:33:44,039
the Jews really worked for the whites to work for

1485
01:33:44,079 --> 01:33:46,159
the Catholic Church.

1486
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:48,359
Speaker 1: You understand what God runs the.

1487
01:33:48,279 --> 01:33:51,079
Speaker 8: World, and this is God. You know, you know this color,

1488
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:51,800
you know what it is.

1489
01:33:52,119 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: So that's why all the nas he's pointing at his skin.

1490
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,000
And by the way, is he still on laughing gas

1491
01:34:01,079 --> 01:34:02,560
or what like? He did he Actually he looks like

1492
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:10,520
he's high in this in this video. H I'd love

1493
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,520
to go on Theovon. Uh. Theovon is one of my favorites.

1494
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,359
I met Theovonne in Nashville when we went to see

1495
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:18,279
him do stand up.

1496
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:21,239
Speaker 15: Uh.

1497
01:34:21,319 --> 01:34:24,119
Speaker 1: And I I emailed the THEO a couple of times.

1498
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:28,199
And I don't know if it was him or his

1499
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:31,239
manager or whoever books. This was like three years ago,

1500
01:34:31,319 --> 01:34:33,119
so he was not as big as he is now,

1501
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:38,439
even three years ago. And somebody was replying, and I

1502
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:41,039
don't know, but I was like, hey, you know, I'd

1503
01:34:41,039 --> 01:34:44,159
love to come on and blah blah blah, but I

1504
01:34:44,399 --> 01:34:48,399
think that I'm not at that big of a level.

1505
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:56,239
You know. It looks like it's Theo's email. It's got

1506
01:34:56,239 --> 01:35:02,439
his picture that comes up. It was I told THEO, Hey,

1507
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,079
blah blah blah, I like to come on and saw

1508
01:35:04,119 --> 01:35:06,279
your set in Nashville. THEO said, hey, thanks, Jay, I'll

1509
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:09,600
keep this in mind. Add my producer to this email thread,

1510
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,800
blah blah blah. So maybe I need to re email

1511
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,399
them and remind them. But I think, look, the way

1512
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,359
a lot of this media stuff works is that like

1513
01:35:21,399 --> 01:35:24,800
when I was talking to the PbD guy, the producer

1514
01:35:25,279 --> 01:35:29,600
scheduler for PbD, and then what Scooter said about Tucker

1515
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:31,880
was like a lot of times, like the schedulers for

1516
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,279
the big channels, like they'll just go look at your

1517
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:36,399
profile and be like, Okay, he's got one hundred and

1518
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,279
sixty on YouTube, he's got a hundred on Twitter. That's

1519
01:35:39,279 --> 01:35:42,279
not big enough. They don't even see your content or

1520
01:35:42,279 --> 01:35:44,560
what you talk about is literally they just look at

1521
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,760
the number and then okay, he's not even at you know,

1522
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,800
two hundred thousand on either Twitter or YouTube. So I

1523
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:55,399
think what happens is that a lot of the producers

1524
01:35:55,399 --> 01:35:58,119
and schedulers just do that and then they just move on.

1525
01:35:59,279 --> 01:36:05,960
Unless the one caveat is like wrote like TRIPLEI has

1526
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,600
been friends with you know, Rogan forever, right, because TRIPLEY

1527
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:14,880
doesn't have you know, massive numbers. I think that you know,

1528
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,680
Joe's just like, hey, yeah, come on, you're you know,

1529
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,399
my old buddy, unless you like our old buddies or something.

1530
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:24,119
I think the schedulers just don't even pay attention to

1531
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:30,800
anybody who's not that high on numbers. Hey, j THEO

1532
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,359
gives nobody a place on his channel. You're the shit.

1533
01:36:35,119 --> 01:36:40,079
Well maybe maybe I have a chance with with THEO.

1534
01:36:40,279 --> 01:36:43,960
The The thing is, uh, even when I sent that

1535
01:36:44,039 --> 01:36:46,039
email like that was like two or three years ago.

1536
01:36:46,279 --> 01:36:49,239
I mean, his podcast is probably twice as big or

1537
01:36:49,239 --> 01:36:52,319
three times as big as it was back then, you

1538
01:36:52,359 --> 01:36:54,920
know what I mean. Go in the comments and tell

1539
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,159
the old bone at me on that'd be a bit

1540
01:36:56,199 --> 01:37:00,520
good way, dude. Uh h, Brosey ten dars. Oh that

1541
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,560
girl I did tweet at her, the one that said

1542
01:37:04,079 --> 01:37:07,560
told all of her followers to become Catholic. You replied,

1543
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,840
saying Orthodoxy is the ancient church. I forgot about her.

1544
01:37:10,199 --> 01:37:12,560
She ignored it, but she responded to some other guy

1545
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,880
with twenty five followers. That's because they don't want to actually,

1546
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,319
you know, they don't want to deal with the real

1547
01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:20,000
anybody who could actually sort of flesh it out. You know,

1548
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:30,720
I forgot about that chick. Let's see, we did we

1549
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:36,039
get to everything that I wanted to talk about. We

1550
01:37:36,079 --> 01:37:38,039
didn't even get to bitcoin. I don't know why I

1551
01:37:38,039 --> 01:37:40,000
had bitcoin bitcoin. By the way, he is going back up.

1552
01:37:40,039 --> 01:37:43,000
Did y'all not notice did I not tell you that

1553
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:45,880
you should have been on the bitcoin train and you

1554
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:54,199
had a what two weeks? No? A month? You had

1555
01:37:54,199 --> 01:37:55,840
a month? I'll look at them two it to again.

1556
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 9: You connect a lot of dots between like Israel and me,

1557
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:01,079
right or.

1558
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:02,600
Speaker 8: So?

1559
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I knew THEO was based so you

1560
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:17,800
can check that one out. And interestingly, who funds KOOFI?

1561
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:23,319
This is John jos John Hoogy in Times of Isrel.

1562
01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:33,119
KOFY is financed by the Shillman Foundation, the Adelson family,

1563
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:37,000
and a bunch of other interesting foundations. Now that is

1564
01:38:37,159 --> 01:38:47,520
John Hagey's specific operation that promotes Christian Zionism. And I

1565
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:53,399
didn't know that. Whitney Webb has written a history of this,

1566
01:38:53,680 --> 01:39:00,560
which I know all about the history of Christian Zionism,

1567
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,760
so I'm not gonna repeat all of that. I didn't

1568
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,399
want to get to a little bit about this because

1569
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,920
James pearl Off, who became Orthodox, has also written on this,

1570
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:20,319
and he has a really good history of Samuel Untermeyer and.

1571
01:39:22,079 --> 01:39:22,359
Speaker 4: C. I.

1572
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 1: Schofield himself, So you can check that out there. Yeah,

1573
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:33,239
I mean I think that THEO vonn would probably have

1574
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,359
Sam Hyde on before he'd ad me on. And that

1575
01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:37,479
makes sense because Sam has a much bigger audience, and

1576
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:39,039
that makes sense, right. But I mean, of course I

1577
01:39:39,079 --> 01:39:43,840
would love to go on as well. But I mean, guys,

1578
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:50,159
remember one of the biggest comedy videos of the entire year.

1579
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:56,720
I co wrote that, so episode one of Sam Hide Show,

1580
01:39:57,039 --> 01:40:01,000
which has with all the clips and everything together, probably

1581
01:40:01,039 --> 01:40:12,239
twenty million views. But bum bum check out Pearloff's article.

1582
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:16,479
And the reason I'm bringing that up is I just

1583
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:20,000
did two podcasts on this topic. I forgot. I did two,

1584
01:40:20,079 --> 01:40:23,199
not just one. I did bucks podcast. So go check

1585
01:40:23,239 --> 01:40:27,479
out Counterflow right here. Oh, I remember what I was

1586
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:32,560
gonna play Counterflow Questioning Hare season looking for the Truth

1587
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:40,439
with Jay right here and the Australian guy who has

1588
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,840
the channel what's it called Postmodern? I forget that He's

1589
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,840
got a decent sized Instagram and we did an interview

1590
01:40:48,079 --> 01:40:51,520
that he said got him questioning solo scriptura. We just

1591
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:56,239
did another interview on dispensationalism and John Hagee in this

1592
01:40:56,399 --> 01:40:59,800
kind of nonsense, So look for that in the next

1593
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:05,399
couple days. And I also want to mention that I

1594
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,640
actually appreciate the black dude over here at simply Bitcoin.

1595
01:41:09,359 --> 01:41:11,800
He did a really good video and I wasn't expecting it.

1596
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:17,720
He actually got into some of the biblical ideas here,

1597
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:19,800
which I didn't know that he had, Like a I

1598
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,079
don't know this black dude. I'm not familiar with his

1599
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,760
other than this channel, right, I've seen many clips and

1600
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,800
videos from this channel before. And if you die, If

1601
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:32,720
you guys do want to get started in bitcoin, you

1602
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:35,079
could do it right here at swan Bitcoin. This is

1603
01:41:35,159 --> 01:41:39,359
my referral code. They're an only bitcoin only company, so

1604
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:44,319
you buy there and you can send it after about

1605
01:41:44,319 --> 01:41:49,720
a month off site to your private bitcoin wallet, whether

1606
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:56,439
your Ledger or your blockstream, Jade or whatever. But I

1607
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:58,640
do want to play some of this guy's video because

1608
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:01,119
this was a really good video over and we'll comment

1609
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:02,399
on it. I'm in bitcoin.

1610
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 14: You'll know that there's a huge variety of opinions on

1611
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,680
whether or not bitcoin will succeed or not. Michael Saylor

1612
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:12,359
believes that bitcoin is inevitable. In a recent interview, Michael

1613
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:14,439
Sailor said that he'll be buying bitcoin and a million

1614
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:17,279
dollars a coin, ten million, a coin fifty million dollars

1615
01:42:17,319 --> 01:42:19,439
a coin. And then there's people out there like Jamie

1616
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:21,479
Diamond who still believe that bitcoin's a fraud and a

1617
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:22,479
Ponzi scheme.

1618
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 16: Crypto if you mean crypto like bitcoin, I've always said

1619
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:27,800
it's a fraud.

1620
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 7: There are no hope for it.

1621
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,359
Speaker 16: Well if it's if they think they're a currency, there's

1622
01:42:32,399 --> 01:42:34,920
no hope for it. It's a Ponzi scheme. There's a public,

1623
01:42:35,039 --> 01:42:35,800
decentralized fight.

1624
01:42:36,079 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 6: Hey, Jamie, even Jack Dorsey, that's my short dude, except

1625
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:47,720
my as pink see, who some believe could be satoci

1626
01:42:48,039 --> 01:42:50,479
even believes that there's a chance that bitcoin will fail.

1627
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,159
Speaker 15: So let's fast forward to the I.

1628
01:42:53,079 --> 01:42:55,520
Speaker 1: Don't think Jack Dorsey is stosi.

1629
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 15: Future and bitcoin has failed.

1630
01:42:58,159 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 9: How did it fail?

1631
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:04,399
Speaker 17: I think it fails through irreverance, Like.

1632
01:43:04,399 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 1: It just it fails irre irrelevance is.

1633
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 17: To be relevant to people on a daily basis. If

1634
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:14,920
it just ends up being so value and nothing more,

1635
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:19,039
don't I don't think it gains relevance at all. Like

1636
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,000
I think it has to be payments for it to

1637
01:43:22,039 --> 01:43:25,439
be relevant on the every day Otherwise it's just something

1638
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:28,279
you kind of buy and forget and only use in

1639
01:43:28,319 --> 01:43:32,680
emergency situations or when you want to get liquid again.

1640
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:38,520
So I think if it doesn't transition to payments and

1641
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:42,199
find that everyday use case, it just gets increasingly irrelevant.

1642
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,359
Speaker 1: Now one of the reasons I'm playing this is because

1643
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:51,760
we just saw a huge rebound when it came to

1644
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:55,119
in the last few days. Last week, I guess bitcoin

1645
01:43:55,159 --> 01:44:00,640
went from eighty five, So we went from actually eighty

1646
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,520
ish to ninety five, So we're back up in the

1647
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:11,600
bullish territory. What'll we get down to eighty Well, a

1648
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,960
few weeks ago we actually went down to seventy five. Wow,

1649
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,359
So in the past couple weeks we've gone from seventy

1650
01:44:19,399 --> 01:44:22,760
five to ninety five, which has made people think that

1651
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:27,000
we are bullish again. That the reason for the depth,

1652
01:44:27,079 --> 01:44:31,000
of course had to do with just Trump's tearoff stuff, right,

1653
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:33,399
So I guess now that people are not really talking

1654
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:46,239
about that. Plus there's now a new contender with Michael Saylor,

1655
01:44:46,359 --> 01:44:48,880
which is going to be headed up by Jack Malers

1656
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:54,159
from Strike another challenger to buying the same amount of

1657
01:44:54,199 --> 01:45:00,479
bitcoin that he has bought, which means again supply shock.

1658
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:02,640
So again I guess you know you guys, don't listen

1659
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:04,640
to me. Want to tell you this stuff. But that

1660
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:09,800
means that eventually, when this filters out, like, there will

1661
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:13,720
be less and less bitcoin available. When I'm not talking

1662
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,800
about us for humans and US normies, US plubs. I'm

1663
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,319
talking about at the nation state level, when the other

1664
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:25,960
countries and entities begin to seek out buying up the bitcoin,

1665
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:31,199
there will be a supply shock because not that much

1666
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:35,039
bitcoin is available, not at I'm not talking about for

1667
01:45:35,159 --> 01:45:38,319
us right at the plub level, there's always going to

1668
01:45:38,359 --> 01:45:42,760
be exchanges selling, you know, smaller amounts of bitcoin. But

1669
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,680
I'm talking about when you know, the nation state of

1670
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,319
whatever wants to start buying bitcoin and they want to

1671
01:45:49,319 --> 01:45:52,239
buy you know, a billion dollars worth, right, there's not

1672
01:45:52,399 --> 01:45:56,960
going to be a lot of bitcoin available at the

1673
01:45:57,039 --> 01:46:00,159
price that it is. It's going to be like shooting up,

1674
01:46:00,319 --> 01:46:03,479
you see. So a billion dollars with a bitcoin will

1675
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:06,880
be probably three four five dollars billion dollars, you see.

1676
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:09,319
Speaker 17: And that's fair, that's fair to me.

1677
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 14: As a guy who runs a bitcoin show, you are

1678
01:46:12,039 --> 01:46:14,319
going to be shocked to hear what I actually believe.

1679
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,119
I ultimately believe that bitcoin will fail in the end.

1680
01:46:17,239 --> 01:46:21,159
Stick around, I'll give you my real, raw, uncut, honest

1681
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:23,439
thoughts about why I believe that bitcoin will fail you

1682
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,479
in the end. No clickbait, just me being real. This

1683
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,119
is downte coca with bitcoin simply.

1684
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,399
Speaker 1: And I appreciate Dante's point here because it's pretty funny.

1685
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:35,479
It's not what you expect he's going to say.

1686
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 8: You know, is it kind of unlimited and really depends

1687
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,359
on what is happening in the market.

1688
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:43,079
Speaker 17: No, we'll just keep buying.

1689
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 18: But the debt to GDP ratio right now, is is it,

1690
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:52,039
you know, ten times at least higher h So that's

1691
01:46:52,079 --> 01:46:56,880
actually not going to work. There is no solution. That's

1692
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:01,159
why people are running into bitcoin. That's why bitcoin's worth

1693
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:03,239
over a trillion dollars down, why it's going to ten

1694
01:47:03,279 --> 01:47:05,600
trillion dollars downs. That people are running for the hills.

1695
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:09,199
They're getting out of dodge, they're dumping their US Treasury bonds,

1696
01:47:09,239 --> 01:47:12,760
they're dumping whatever they can and they're putting it into bitcoin.

1697
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,319
And so bitcoin, we're going to see bitcoin be the

1698
01:47:15,319 --> 01:47:19,079
major winner in this sovereign debt collapse globally. That's how

1699
01:47:19,079 --> 01:47:21,920
you get to two three, four hundred thousand dollars per bitcoin.

1700
01:47:22,119 --> 01:47:26,840
Everybody knows it now, Paul Tudor Jones, Stan Druckenmeller, Michael

1701
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,840
Saylor over at micro Strategy, they're all openly talking about

1702
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,840
a speculative attack against the central banks. Borrow at that

1703
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:35,479
cheap rate, buy bitcoin and let them die.

1704
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 1: That's what's going on.

1705
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 4: And Jenet Gillen for one, expects these interest all these

1706
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:44,760
inflation levels, rather to persist until mid twenty twenty two.

1707
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 18: Now we're buying bitcoin, haha, and it's we're in a

1708
01:47:50,079 --> 01:47:53,359
completely new era, a new world, a new global standard,

1709
01:47:53,359 --> 01:47:59,600
as Rand Paul, a senator in America has called on bitcoin.

1710
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 1: Max your eyser was liking and retweeting me the other day.

1711
01:48:03,239 --> 01:48:07,760
I forgot what tweet it was. But he's really difficult

1712
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,239
to get to do an interview.

1713
01:48:10,119 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 14: Of Wall Street in New York City wearing a hoodie

1714
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,399
and saying stuff like this, and this is.

1715
01:48:16,359 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 12: Why bitcoin will decouple because bitcoin isn't priced on earnings.

1716
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: So Mahler's is gonna be running a what's it called

1717
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,760
a twenty two, a twenty one whatever, and they're gonna

1718
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:33,520
try to buy the same amount of bitcoin as Michael Saylor.

1719
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,239
That's crazy. Forget the name of it.

1720
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:40,239
Speaker 12: And if countries are looking for something to own. You're

1721
01:48:40,279 --> 01:48:46,399
gonna want scarce reserve assets, long gold, long bitcoin, easy easy.

1722
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,800
So people don't understand what we're living through. And I'm

1723
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:52,079
looking on the internet and everyone's freaking out. And my

1724
01:48:52,199 --> 01:48:55,199
message to my audience into the bitcoiners is just relaxed.

1725
01:48:55,479 --> 01:49:00,279
You gotta breathe, calm down, understand what you own, Understand

1726
01:49:00,279 --> 01:49:02,800
what we're living through right now. Let the stock market

1727
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:05,359
puke and figure itself out. And by the way, is

1728
01:49:05,399 --> 01:49:08,279
it over? No, what are we living through right now?

1729
01:49:08,319 --> 01:49:12,000
We're trying. I'm literally on Wall Street having meetings with

1730
01:49:12,039 --> 01:49:15,039
Wall Street people. This city is a full of a

1731
01:49:15,079 --> 01:49:20,399
bunch of over levered, pompous hedge fun assholes. These guys,

1732
01:49:20,399 --> 01:49:22,600
I mean, the stock market's down like four percent. These

1733
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,640
guys are begging and pleading and screaming for a bailout,

1734
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:30,279
give me a break. Everyone wants a relief rally. We're

1735
01:49:30,319 --> 01:49:32,680
now at the phase where everyone's like, oh you hear.

1736
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:34,079
Speaker 1: That, Oh my god.

1737
01:49:34,399 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 8: Trump.

1738
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:37,079
Speaker 12: Trump said that he's open negotiations.

1739
01:49:37,319 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 8: Trump said he might walk back what he said.

1740
01:49:40,039 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 12: And no one's actually pricing in the fact that Trump

1741
01:49:44,399 --> 01:49:48,520
means business, whether you like it or not. Trump wants

1742
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:52,640
to help the poor American Trump wants to create factory jobs.

1743
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:55,800
Trump wants to produce stuff here. Trump wants to fix

1744
01:49:55,880 --> 01:50:01,520
the deficit problem. That's until I see otherwise. Trump is

1745
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:05,439
about business. Trump is keeping his promises. What do you

1746
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:05,880
need it?

1747
01:50:06,079 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 1: One way?

1748
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 19: You can just print money.

1749
01:50:08,079 --> 01:50:08,520
Speaker 1: That's it.

1750
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:09,560
Speaker 19: That's how you do it.

1751
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:13,560
Speaker 1: Now. The point here is that they're still going to

1752
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:17,920
just go forward with money printing, right even if Trump

1753
01:50:18,079 --> 01:50:22,279
is you know, pro jobs, pro business, pro economy, like,

1754
01:50:22,359 --> 01:50:25,279
they're still going to just go forward with Probably I

1755
01:50:25,279 --> 01:50:27,520
don't know how they would not do it, Like we're

1756
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:31,640
not immediately on a gold standard or a Bitcoin standard.

1757
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:36,199
So the only option is to do money printing. And

1758
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:43,359
that also uh signifies bigcoin as a you know, hedge

1759
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:45,560
asset to also go up.

1760
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 19: If you look back on the past history of our

1761
01:50:48,079 --> 01:50:50,680
country and other countries, you see that every time they

1762
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:54,359
get in a situation where they need to have a conflict,

1763
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:58,039
it's always printing money. So my goal, my hope, was

1764
01:50:58,039 --> 01:50:59,039
that bitcoin would.

1765
01:50:58,800 --> 01:50:59,600
Speaker 1: Provide a way out.

1766
01:51:00,359 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 19: Once I began to study bitcoin, and you know, I

1767
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,640
didn't get it right away. You probably are smarter than

1768
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:07,840
I am. You know, I got it and I was

1769
01:51:08,119 --> 01:51:11,159
trading shit coins and I was I bought some bitcoin,

1770
01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:13,800
it went way up, and I sold it like an idiot.

1771
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:18,199
And but you know, I, when you realize that you

1772
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:20,279
don't understand what you hold, the best thing to do

1773
01:51:20,359 --> 01:51:21,800
is just get right back in the books. Just get

1774
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:24,359
in the books and start studying and reading and understanding

1775
01:51:24,399 --> 01:51:27,239
watching podcasts like this. And I did that. Once I

1776
01:51:27,319 --> 01:51:29,880
understood it, once I really got it, I just started

1777
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,479
going back in and bigger and bigger. You know how

1778
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,680
that is. You start small, next thing, you know, you've

1779
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:37,680
got more and more of your wealth in there. And

1780
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:39,880
then today, sitting here today, I mean I've got all

1781
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:42,600
my wealth and bitcoin or a proxy. I've got some

1782
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:46,960
micro strategy stock too, But basically, you know, everything I

1783
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,159
have is in bitcoin. And I'm pretty damn happy too.

1784
01:51:49,159 --> 01:51:50,279
Speaker 1: I'll tell you big.

1785
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:54,800
Speaker 14: First true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure,

1786
01:51:55,079 --> 01:51:58,880
whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there's any excellence,

1787
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:02,159
if there's anything worse or the appraise, think on these things.

1788
01:52:02,359 --> 01:52:05,399
I believe that bitcoin is the only monetary system in

1789
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:08,159
the world right now that represents truth. I believe that

1790
01:52:08,279 --> 01:52:11,600
it is actually a just and fair system. As Larry

1791
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:13,680
points out in his book, and others have talked about

1792
01:52:14,079 --> 01:52:16,640
equal weights and measures in our money. Again, I believe

1793
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:19,399
that allows us to do things honorably, to be paid

1794
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:22,840
for honest work, something that you've built, created, or acquired

1795
01:52:23,159 --> 01:52:26,479
through honest means exactly. I believe that the code is lovely.

1796
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,239
I believe that the work that people are doing in

1797
01:52:28,279 --> 01:52:31,119
this industry is commendable. I believe that there are excellent

1798
01:52:31,159 --> 01:52:33,880
people working day and night on bitcoin products and solutions

1799
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:36,680
to bring fairness and access to financial markets to people

1800
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,439
all around the world. This is worthy of praise, but

1801
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:42,039
I want to share a message with all of my followers.

1802
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:46,119
Bitcoin will ultimately fail you in the end. On your deathbed,

1803
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:48,720
you will not be worried about your seed plate or

1804
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:51,399
your private keys. You're going to be thinking about whether

1805
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:54,199
you were just famous online or whether you were actually

1806
01:52:54,199 --> 01:52:54,880
famous in.

1807
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 1: Your own home.

1808
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:57,520
Speaker 14: You're going to be thinking about whether you spent too

1809
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:00,920
much time worshiping a created thing or the creator themselves.

1810
01:53:01,039 --> 01:53:03,199
You're gonna think about whether you use your bitcoin to

1811
01:53:03,239 --> 01:53:07,119
give you more time to have more memories, experiences, and

1812
01:53:07,279 --> 01:53:10,239
unforgettable moments with people that you loved and cared about,

1813
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:13,000
or whether you use your bitcoin to feed the poor,

1814
01:53:13,399 --> 01:53:16,840
the needy, or the hungry, or whether you just held

1815
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:19,520
it to increase your treasure. You've never seen a U

1816
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,800
haul attached to a hearst because there's nothing on this

1817
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:24,079
earth that you can take with you when you die,

1818
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,840
not even your bitcoin. Your bitcoin will never fully fulfill you.

1819
01:53:28,119 --> 01:53:30,479
And I've gone further down the rabbit hole than most

1820
01:53:31,079 --> 01:53:33,840
I do this show. I read all about bitcoin all

1821
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:36,000
the time, I talk about it all the time. When

1822
01:53:36,039 --> 01:53:38,000
you get down to the bottom of the rabbit hole,

1823
01:53:38,079 --> 01:53:40,720
it'll be just like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz

1824
01:53:41,039 --> 01:53:44,039
rolling back the curtain and understanding that FIAT was all fake.

1825
01:53:44,199 --> 01:53:46,079
You're gonna get to the end of your bitcoin journey

1826
01:53:46,119 --> 01:53:49,079
and realize that bitcoin can never fill a hole that

1827
01:53:49,159 --> 01:53:52,960
it ultimately wasn't designed to. It's a tool. Use it

1828
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,359
to grow your wealth, use it to MAXIMU.

1829
01:53:55,239 --> 01:53:57,640
Speaker 1: What are you guys even talking about? He's not an

1830
01:53:57,680 --> 01:54:03,359
AI character. What it's a go watch the channel. It's

1831
01:54:03,399 --> 01:54:03,840
not fake.

1832
01:54:04,279 --> 01:54:07,399
Speaker 14: Miis your time and your ability to have moments with

1833
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:09,279
your loved ones and people that you care about so

1834
01:54:09,319 --> 01:54:11,880
that you're thinking about them around your deathbed and not

1835
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:15,000
about your private keys. Your dollar cost average will not

1836
01:54:15,079 --> 01:54:17,960
come to your benefit to save you when you're coming

1837
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:20,239
to think about whether you live the life of meaning

1838
01:54:20,399 --> 01:54:23,279
or of purpose. All of these things are independent of bitcoin,

1839
01:54:23,319 --> 01:54:26,760
and bitcoin cannot solve that problem for you. But let

1840
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,760
me be clear, I'm in bitcoin not just for the money,

1841
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,199
but because I actually believe that bitcoin will make the

1842
01:54:32,199 --> 01:54:34,800
world a better place. And for that reason, I say,

1843
01:54:35,279 --> 01:54:38,840
let's continue to press on into the mission. Let's continue

1844
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:42,159
to liberate people from the shackles of FIAT slavery. Education

1845
01:54:42,319 --> 01:54:44,840
is power, and I believe that one of the things

1846
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:46,880
that our world is sorely missing.

1847
01:54:47,439 --> 01:54:49,840
Speaker 1: Oh do you guys mean that he's reading something that

1848
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:55,359
he printed out on AIS? That's what you mean? He

1849
01:54:55,399 --> 01:54:57,279
has an AI boys, you mean he's reading it? The

1850
01:54:57,399 --> 01:54:59,359
video is not AI. Like, what are you even talking

1851
01:54:59,359 --> 01:55:05,520
about here? You can go watch the channel. It's not

1852
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:07,159
an Alida. This is so stupid.

1853
01:55:11,319 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 14: Is education that comes from financial literacy. Knowing that life

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is getting harder is one thing. Knowing where, why and

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how you're being robbed is another thing entirely. And it's

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our job to educate people on why the system is broken.

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And with that, I want to leave you with probably

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one of my favorite clips from one of my favorite

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people in bitcoin, and that's Natalie Burnell on Charles Pain

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Show about the mission of why we actually do bitcoin?

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Speaker 15: Well, what is the total addressable market for person?

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Speaker 1: Are you guys trolling? I don't understand. This is really

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different like this guy has been anytime in multiple interviews.

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Speaker 14: Man, I think the thing that was super interesting is

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you know that so we're gonna charge.

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Speaker 1: Half of that to that. I mean there's some real

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well political salesmanship I should say, involved in that, and

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you know, so be it. That's the way the game

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is played, right dude? Who Boomer Jay Boomer? All right, cool,

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let's just you're getting on my nerves now. If you

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would like to get into bitcoin, which I recommend, or

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print copies. So don't message me saying where's my book?

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You stole my money. No, it's three months out. I

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can't control when it comes from the printer. This is

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not me. It's not self published. I have a publisher,

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so it's different when I have a publisher. Coolbert coulda

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cool I'm curious, I'm a dumb dumb. Is Bitcoin tied

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to how much money and energy is used up for

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miners and data? Well, bitcoin mining is what uses energy

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01:58:54,039 --> 01:58:58,960
to keep the network up, but mining and nodes are decentralized,

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so they're everywhere. So I'm not sure what you mean.

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Do you mean is the price tied to the mining indirectly?

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It is, and the bitcoin network is tied to mining,

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and mining uses energy, But I don't think we're in

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some kind of like scenario where all the bitcoin mining

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and energy in the world goes away or something. If

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you're asking a fear based question, Bobby C five dollars,

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they're saying he's AI because the video is lagging and

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the audio is lagging on our end. Okay, I can't

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see or tell that there's a lag, so that was

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not perceptible on my end of things. So you know,

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you know, no matter where I live or what I

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do with connection, I've had at both places. I've had

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the services out probably ten times at both places, literally

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01:59:59,279 --> 02:00:04,560
ten times at both places, and there's just no They

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02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:09,560
will never fix the peaks and the drops of the feed.

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I've paid, all amounts of money I've done, I've gotten

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them to do everything, and it will never ever stop

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doing peaks and drops. So I don't know what to

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tell you. Everybody, have a good night. Thank you for

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joining me. A lot of fun.