WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:03.040 Welcome to my world, bitch. 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:20.679 Wold good. 3 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:39.520 Welcome to this bonus episode of the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast. 4 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:41.479 So Littlely Paranormal. 5 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.359 My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and 6 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:50.000 with me as always is Oscar Spector producer Extraordinair podcast 7 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.719 co host. Well, Oscar, we had to jump on the 8 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:57.280 mics because there's some hot news in the world of 9 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:00.159 the Long Island serial killer. We have an update, a 10 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.200 very important update. Okay, this is one of those timely 11 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:05.760 episodes where it's being talked about right now. 12 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:07.760 Okay, I mean, if if. 13 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:09.599 You're not hearing it out there, you probably live under 14 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:09.959 a rock. 15 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.280 So you brought me here on the false pretenses. That's 16 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:14.959 not what you told me to come over here. You 17 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:16.560 said you want me to jump on the bike so 18 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:20.079 you can finally confess your deepest, darkest sins. This is 19 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:22.719 you just told me a lie I did. You just 20 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.280 got me into this room. I didn't want to talk 21 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:25.159 about this guy anymore. 22 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:27.040 I tricked you. I know, I don't want to talk 23 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:28.079 about him anymore. 24 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:30.280 Either, but right, but you tricked me, and now we 25 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:31.799 have to talk about this guy again. 26 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:36.280 Yes, yeah, so really, listeners should go back we've covered 27 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.760 him four times already. I had to go back and 28 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.079 get the episode numbers, because if you've been living under 29 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:44.040 a rock and you don't know about the Long Island 30 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:48.560 serial Killer or Rex Huerman or the GILG four, definitely 31 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.280 go back and check out our episodes one fifty two, 32 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:55.280 one fifty three, one fifty four, and one sixty four 33 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.840 to get all caught up on the Long Island serial Killer, 34 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:05.000 all the victims, the possible victims, all the suspects about 35 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:09.280 Rex huremen, and all the crazy theories and conspiracy theories. 36 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:11.560 The only positive thing about this guy, which I never 37 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:13.639 want to hear coming out of this show ever again 38 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.960 Jay after today, yes, is that he has given us 39 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:20.680 a lot of like material tons of materials, so like, 40 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:26.479 you know, like we can, we can take it easy sometimes, 41 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.960 you know, Yeah, oh you can. I mean you're doing 42 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:33.000 the research obviously not so much too, but like you know, 43 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:34.560 it's is an easy go to. 44 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:35.919 Well, it's it's kind of. 45 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:37.560 Fun to worry or rack our brains to what the 46 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:38.680 hell we're gonna do next time? 47 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:41.360 Right right? Because Rex always up to some shit right 48 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:45.039 right now? I think to your point where you say, 49 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:47.520 hopefully we're not going to talk about this guy for 50 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:50.120 a very long time, huh, said, I think that's going 51 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.759 to be true. Based on these latest developments, I don't 52 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.719 think I don't think we're going to get any of 53 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:00.719 those real juicy the details that everyone's looking for. I 54 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:02.840 don't think we're going to see those for a very 55 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:07.439 very long time. Okay, And that kind of pisses me off, Okay, 56 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:09.360 because I'm bought into the story. 57 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:11.000 Yeah, well, at this point we have. 58 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.400 To ask a lot of people are bought into the story, 59 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:19.039 right right? All right? So the ogre in the gray 60 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:24.840 suit with an honest to god Mo Howard haircut, listeners, kids, 61 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:29.199 look up Mo Howard. Three stooges, that's what this guy 62 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.240 is sporting on top of his big dome. So the 63 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:36.560 ogre and the Mo Howard haircut stood so still. He 64 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:39.520 might have been part of the courtroom itself, an old 65 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:44.400 piece of furniture, maybe for nearly three years. Rex Huerman 66 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:49.000 said nothing. But on April eighth, two thousand and six, 67 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.159 So just a few weeks ago, he walked into a 68 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:56.439 packed Suffolk County courtroom and began to unspool a decade 69 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:59.479 of secrets in less time than it takes to cook 70 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:04.960 a Monday night meal. He didn't weep, he didn't rage, 71 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:09.159 he didn't look menacingly at all the families lives that 72 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:13.520 he shattered. He simply answered the judge in a flat, 73 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:21.680 almost bored voice, Yes, your honor, Yes, strangulation, as if 74 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:26.199 he were confirming some mundane checklist, like a grocery list 75 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:32.759 outside families of the dead held hands inside a monster 76 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.839 clocked out. Do you feel it's in your best interest 77 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:40.279 to plead guilty rather than go to trial, asked Judge 78 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.639 Timothy Matse, Yes, your honor. Do you feel it's in 79 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:50.360 your best interest to plead guilty? A curt nod, no hesitation, Yes, 80 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:54.600 I do. The judge acts asked if rex Human understood 81 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.079 he was giving up his right to appeal, his right 82 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:01.839 to a trial. Yes, your honor. Then came the names. 83 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:08.040 Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney, a fantastic prosecutor who 84 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:12.720 launched a dedicated multi agency task force that identified in ares, 85 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.959 arrested Rex Hureman in July twenty twenty three. Tierney stood 86 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.040 and began to read the names of the dead aloud. 87 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:26.480 Melissa Barthelemy Meghan Waterman, Amber Costello, one by one, He asked, hureman, 88 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:30.040 how he killed them? You killed each victim in the 89 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:41.600 same manner, namely strangulation, Yes, Melissa strangulation, Megan strangulation, Amber strangulation. 90 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:48.639 No elaboration, no apology, no hint of remorse, just that 91 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:53.600 same clinical word, over and over, ticking off that list, strangulation. 92 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:58.839 Ray Tierney pressed further, Did you bind them in burlap? 93 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:06.120 Did you dismember some of them? Yes? Yes. Human never 94 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:10.040 raised his voice, he never broke eye contact with the judge. 95 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:14.120 When the prosecutor asked about Karen Viergatta, a thirty four 96 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.600 year old mother of two who vanished on Valentine's Day 97 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:20.279 nineteen ninety six, a death Huworman had never been charged with, 98 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:25.720 he gave another flat, emotionless reply, I intentionally caused the 99 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:30.680 death of Karen Viergatta and left her remains. Twenty minutes 100 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.639 after it began, the hearing ended. The man who had 101 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:40.240 lived two lives suburban architect by day, deranged serial predator 102 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:45.800 by night, was led away in shackles the overflow rooms, 103 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.720 emptied into the hallways. Heard among the murmurs of conversation 104 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:53.480 was he admitted it, almost in disbelief that what they 105 00:06:53.560 --> 00:07:00.000 just heard outside. Victim's relatives gathered on the courtroom steps. 106 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.920 Can sister to Marine Brainard Barnes, spoke for many when 107 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:06.800 she said, quote, this has been a long journey of hope, 108 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:12.639 she said. Now. Huerman's ex wife, Aesa Alorup, who sat 109 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.240 in the last row of the courtroom with their daughter, Victoria, 110 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.120 did not immediately speak to reporters, but later released a 111 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.360 statement asking for privacy and saying her thoughts and prayers 112 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:28.879 were with the families. So Rex Huerman, the ogre, who 113 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:32.360 he could now confidently call the Long Island serial killer, 114 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.680 pled guilty to three counts of first degree murder and 115 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:39.240 four counts of intentional murder or second degree murder. Under 116 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:43.439 New York law, the difference mattered. First degree meant he 117 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.879 had committed another felony during the killing, like kidnapping or 118 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:52.399 sexual abuse. Those three victims, Melissa Barthelemy Megan Waterman and 119 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:57.639 Amber Costello, earned him mandatory life without parole. The other four, 120 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:02.000 Marine Brainerd Barnes, Jessica Taylor, Sandra Caristia, and Valerie Mack, 121 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:05.560 carried fifteen years to life, but the judge tacked on 122 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.319 an extra hundred years just to be sure. Then there 123 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.079 was Karen Viergatta, the eighth woman. Human confessed to her 124 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.040 murder in open court, even though no one had charged 125 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:20.000 him with it. It was the distric attorney later said, 126 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:22.600 a kind of a house cleaning, a way to close 127 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.720 the doors of the books on Karen Viergatta, a ghost 128 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:28.519 who had haunted the Long Island serial killer case for 129 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:33.279 three decades. Now, as part of the deal, Human agreed 130 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.440 to sit down with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, the 131 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:39.759 same squad that once interviewed Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, 132 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:41.080 Richard Speck. 133 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:42.919 And they were on the cast of the Mine Hunter 134 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:43.480 Mine Hunter. 135 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:45.639 Yeah, exactly. That those are the people that he'll be 136 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:47.600 sitting down with. It is going to be forced to 137 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:51.759 sit down with. It's kind of an academic exercise, Ray 138 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.919 Tierney said. They want to understand what created him, what 139 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:59.879 drove him, what causes this. Now today Human sits in 140 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:03.799 a segregated cell at Suffo County Correctional Facility. He chose 141 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.399 to be there, voluntary segregation, they call it. He doesn't 142 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.679 mingle with the general population, not because he fears them, 143 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.320 though some innates have wanted to kill him or hurt him, 144 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:18.960 but because he seems to prefer his own company. Sheriff 145 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:23.200 Errow Toulon, who oversees operations and inmate custody within the 146 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:27.279 Suffa County Sheriff's department, and who's overseen high profile inmates 147 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:32.120 like John Gotti, John Gotti, Teflon Dan. He says, Hureman 148 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:35.679 shows none of the despair typical of other notorious prisoners, 149 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:41.279 no remorse, no visible distress. Instead, he carries himself with 150 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:45.519 what Toulon calls a bit of smugness. He says, Rex 151 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:49.759 is emotionless, unfazed by the situation he's in. And he says, 152 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:53.240 Rex sizes people up, he studies their gait, their tone, 153 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:55.919 how they speak to him, and then he offers short, 154 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.440 clipped answers in return. And he does not hold lengthy 155 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:02.080 conversation with guards. You're not getting a lot out of 156 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:06.639 this guy. Now. Once a week, a cleric, either a 157 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:10.200 Catholic priest or a nun, visits Hureman in his cell. 158 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.039 He never claimed to be Catholic, but that's who he 159 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:18.240 chooses to speak with. Catholic priests and nuns. These religious 160 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.440 visits happen in private, and absolutely no one knows what 161 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:26.960 they discuss. Now Interestingly, before his arrest, Humeman did architectural 162 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.200 work for Catholic charities, and the irony has not lost 163 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:36.440 on investigators. To keep busy Rex reads. Recently, he checked 164 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:40.240 out two books from the correctional Center's library, West Wind, 165 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:44.200 a high stakes Cold War era thriller, and Devil's Banker, 166 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:48.159 a high stakes financial thriller. He also visits the law 167 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:52.320 library regularly by court order. He has a laptop to 168 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.799 review the mountains of discovery documents in his case, and 169 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:58.840 his only exercise is walking laps in a small yard 170 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:03.080 and said he's one hundred percent compliant, and the sheriff 171 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:06.320 believes the reason is simple. Hueman is surrounded by men. 172 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:11.879 He does not challenge men. He's not a fighter. Since 173 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.879 his incarceration, Human has received roughly one hundred and fifty 174 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:18.879 visits from his ex wife, Asa Ellerup, who visits about 175 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.919 once a week, or at least she did, from friends, 176 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:26.200 from mental health professionals, and from his attorneys. Now one 177 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.360 visitor tried to see Hureman but was turned away, and 178 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:33.919 that visitor was Christopher Lob. Now, Christopher Lob is not 179 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.679 a name most people remember, although we did make it 180 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.440 a point to talk to him. Talk about him, excuse me. 181 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.919 In our previous Long Island serial Killer episodes. In the 182 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:46.639 Twisted History of the Long Island serial Killer case, Christopher 183 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.799 Lobe plays this strange kind of supporting role. Back in 184 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:55.720 twenty twelve, Lob, a convicted felon, broke into an unmarked 185 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:57.919 Suffolk County police vehicle. Do you remember this? 186 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.039 No, not Offhan how Man anymore. 187 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.600 So he broke into this, this unmarked Suffolk County police car, yes, 188 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:09.559 I remember, right, and inside he stole this duffel bad 189 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:13.720 belonging to then police chief James Burke. 190 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:17.320 Yeah, the fucking guy one with the hookers and should. 191 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:21.440 Yes, just the dirt bag. Now. That bad that Lobe 192 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:25.919 stole contained Burke's gun belt, ammunition, a cigar box, sex toys, 193 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:30.519 adult films, and what Lobe described as a possible snuff film. 194 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.399 Remember, yes, yeah, it's coming back now. 195 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.039 That fear that that obviously enraged this psychopath James Burke, 196 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.759 who later beat Lob beat the ship out of him 197 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.279 while he was helplessly handcuffed to the floor. Remember, and 198 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.159 he pressured his officers officers under him to lie about 199 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.879 the whole thing, and that scandal unraveled. Burke's career, and 200 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.320 he actually served jail time for that for those civil 201 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:57.000 rights violations. The thing is Lobe had long insisted that 202 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:00.360 Burke was involved in something something much, much darker, not 203 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:05.000 just kinky sex and porn. But Lobe publicly claimed that 204 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:08.039 James Burke himself was connected to the Gilgo Beach murders, 205 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:11.240 either he was the Long Island serial killer or he 206 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:14.720 helped support him in some way. And Loeb says, you know, 207 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.720 I didn't break into Rex's truck. I broke into Burke's truck. 208 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:22.600 And Loeb noted that the murders miraculously stopped after his 209 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.679 burglary of James Burke's truck. Right, So, when Loeb tried 210 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.240 to visit or contact Hueorman at Suffolk County Jail, Sheriff 211 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.080 to alone confirmed that the request was made, but it 212 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:37.080 was rejected by Human himself. No one knows what Lobe 213 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:39.080 wanted to speak to him about what he was going 214 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:42.559 to bring up, but Christopher Loeb's attempt to insert himself 215 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:46.159 into the story decades after his burglary of Chief Burke's truck, 216 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:48.679 it's just a reminder that this case has always had 217 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:53.799 these strange currents running beneath it. Burke was never named 218 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:56.120 a suspect in the murders, of course, and from what 219 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:59.200 I could tell, Christopher Lobe himself is currently incarcerated on 220 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:03.720 charges lated to a January twenty twenty four violent assault 221 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.759 on an eighty nine year old woman. And Rex Human 222 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:09.200 has always says nothing. 223 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:11.879 It's like everyone in this fucking story, other than the victims, 224 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.000 are bad guys, just the different levels of that, different 225 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.320 degrees of bad guys. Like this one's obviously the nicest 226 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.399 of all the bad guys, the eighty nine year old 227 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.679 beater upper, which says a lot, because that's a lot, right, 228 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.039 that's my point, Like, yeah, he's way better than the cop, 229 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.519 way better than human manicurs, but like still a piece 230 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:31.879 of shit. 231 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:34.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, none of these people are really good. 232 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:36.279 Yeah. 233 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:39.639 Now, for all the bizarre tangents and shadowy figures that 234 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.600 have circled this case over the decades, the story has 235 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.120 never been about them. It's always been about the women, 236 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:50.039 the ones Human admitted to killing, their names, their lives, 237 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:53.000 and the horror of how they died. That's what really matters. 238 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:58.240 Hureman's Please brought the total number of victim confirmed to eight. 239 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.480 The authorities have not ruled out that there may be more. 240 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:05.080 As a reminder, the women he killed when he admitted 241 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.840 in open court to killing were Sandra Cristilla, aged twenty eight, 242 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:12.919 found in north Sea, Long Island, with DNA matching rex Huerman. 243 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.360 There was Karen Vigata thirty four, a mother of two 244 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.159 whose nineteen ninety six murder Rex admitted to on his 245 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.000 own in court. It was Valerie mack age twenty four, 246 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:27.639 Justsica Taylor, aged twenty, both dismembered and scattered between Manerville 247 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:32.240 and Gilgil Beach. There was Marine Brainerd Barnes twenty five, 248 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:36.039 bound with leather belts remember that with the w H 249 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:38.120 or the HM on the belts. 250 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:41.600 Yep, And he leads to his house too murber Yeah. 251 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.159 Right, that they thought might have been his grandfather's initials M. 252 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.360 And that belt also held his wife's DNA. If you remember, 253 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.600 There was Melissa Barthonomy that he admitted to, age twenty four, 254 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:58.159 whose teenage sister received those horrible racist calls from the 255 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:01.480 killer from her sister's own phone. Yeah, after she disappeared. 256 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:05.279 There was Megan Waterman age twenty two, who we now 257 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:09.320 know had that oh excuse me, yeah, new revelation Megan 258 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.759 Waterman twenty two, who we now know had a very 259 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.320 specific bounty paper towel stuffed in her mouth when she 260 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.759 was found. That matched a square of bounty paper towel 261 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:23.799 found in one of rex Huerman's desks. Again, this is 262 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:29.759 brand new information, and that was a specific, unique type 263 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:31.840 of bounty paper towel that was only sold in certain 264 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:34.600 stores believe it or not. Really, so they're linking him 265 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:38.120 to Waterman because of this this bounty paper towel. 266 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.679 Yeah, crazy research on the topside for that one. 267 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.159 And then of course he admitted to killing Amberlin Costello 268 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.480 from West Babylon, New York, age twenty seven, last seen 269 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.120 meeting a stranger in a Chevy Avalanche, a description that 270 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.559 led police straight to rex Hureman. Human killed all these 271 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.919 women between nineteen ninety three and twenty ten, wrangled each one, 272 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:06.640 and some he admitted he dismembered. But here's where the 273 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:12.079 story once again twists. Hereman's confession closed eight cases, but 274 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.480 it didn't close Gilgo Beach, remember along that same stretch 275 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:19.359 of Ocean Parkway. I believe there are five more victims 276 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:22.200 that are still lying in evidence lockers and cold case files. 277 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.839 They don't have names and no one has claimed them. 278 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.960 There are four Jane Does. One is Asian between eighteen 279 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:32.759 and thirty five years old, who died between two thousand 280 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:36.680 and two thousand and five. There's another another Jane Doe, 281 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:39.720 same age range and same window of death as the 282 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:43.440 previous one, the Asian. A third Jane Doe was discovered 283 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.839 in Nassau County in nineteen ninety three, stuffed in a 284 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:49.359 plastic container. And then there's the Fire Island Jane Doe 285 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:53.480 found in nineteen ninety six. And then there's the other 286 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.720 what we call the outlier. Remember the Asian male who 287 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.799 was found dressed in women's clothing Giggle Beachman the other 288 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.160 victims near the other victims, so that by count makes 289 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.240 five left to still identify. And if you remember from 290 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.519 our previous episodes, there was yet again another story running 291 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:14.640 parallel to the Long Island serial killer case, one that 292 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:16.640 wound up having nothing to do with Rex at the 293 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:18.640 end of the day, but it was just as kind 294 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.720 of gripping for years. The case of Peaches and her 295 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:27.720 toddler daughter haunted investigators. Remember Peaches I do In June 296 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.480 nineteen ninety seven, the dismembered torso of a young woman 297 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:34.640 later nicknamed Peaches for a distinctive heart shaped peach tattoo 298 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:38.000 found on her body, was found inside a plastic container 299 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:41.319 in a wooded area of Hempstead Lake Park Hempstead State 300 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.359 Park in West Hempstead, New York. More than a decade later, 301 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:47.759 during the height of the search for Giggle Beach victims, 302 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.640 additional remains of Peaches and the skeletal remains of her 303 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.200 young daughter were found along Ocean Parkway, not far from 304 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.400 the other victims. Now the child, initially known as Baby Dough, 305 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:02.000 have been wrapped in a blanket and was wearing gold 306 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:04.559 jewelry when she was found, and she was linked to 307 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:09.480 Peaches through DNA. For nearly three decades, the identities of 308 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:12.960 mother and daughter remained a mystery, thought to be victims 309 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:16.200 of the Long Island serial killer, but a major breakthrough 310 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:22.880 in twenty twenty five advances in forensic genealogy allowed investigators 311 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:27.279 to finally put names to these bodies. Peaches. The mother 312 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:31.559 was identified as Tanya Denise Jackson, a twenty six year 313 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:35.519 old US Army veteran and single mother originally from Alabama. 314 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:40.680 Her daughter was identified as Tatiana Marie Diykes just two 315 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:45.200 years old when she was killed. For years, investigators linked 316 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.960 Tanya Jackson and her daughter Tatiana to the Gilgo Beach killings, 317 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:53.960 but as evidence mounted, that theory crumbled. In December of 318 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:58.599 twenty twenty five, Florida resident Andrew Dykes, aged sixty six, 319 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.720 Tatiana's fire, was arrested and charged with Tanya's murder with 320 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.079 Peach's murder, He's not been charged with the killing of 321 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.960 his two year old daughter Nasa County da and Donnelly 322 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:14.359 says prosecutors lack sufficient evidence to connect him on that 323 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:18.759 count right now now. Dikes was married to another woman 324 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.880 when he met Tanya Peaches. The two had an affair, 325 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.960 and Tatiana was their love child. Prosecutors alleged Dikes killed 326 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.119 Tanya to end that affair and save his marriage, and 327 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:32.599 it's likely he killed his daughter for that same reason, 328 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:36.319 though again it hasn't been proven yet. But where there's smoke, 329 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:40.920 there's fire, I think well. Al Tanya and Tatiana's case 330 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.240 is basically solved for the most part. Heureman's plea is 331 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:47.839 cracked open a much wider hunt opening this Pandora's box 332 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:52.119 of cold cases across the country. Law enforcement agencies from 333 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:55.680 New Jersey to Nevada are reviewing unsolved murders for potential 334 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:59.440 links to Huerman, whose property holdings and travel records have 335 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:03.440 placed them in a number of states. D A. Tierney 336 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.440 has made it clear that his offices is not stopped, 337 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:09.559 and he stated, quote, we're not going to stop. We 338 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:12.440 can't stop. We owe that to the victims. That's the 339 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:14.160 least we could do. End quote. 340 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:20.720 Hmmm. I want to say, based on his testimony in 341 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:23.599 court and the way he said it and that way 342 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.160 that offhand that one person said about Rex Hureman that 343 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:32.039 not being surrounded by any women at all kind of 344 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:35.000 like took his power away, so to speak. 345 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.680 In prison. Yeah, Oh, I think so definitely. 346 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:40.920 In a sense that like he is much more maybe 347 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:45.519 submissive to us, to all these like authorities. They're all 348 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:47.079 manly authorities. 349 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:47.960 It looks that way. 350 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.000 It's very strange, which makes me feel like he definitely 351 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:54.920 did that Asian guy. Oh but we talked about that 352 00:21:54.960 --> 00:22:00.720 then too, and they called him an Asian twink, right, yes, correct? Anyway, 353 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:06.000 is that based on that it feels like, is it not? 354 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:08.799 Is it difficult to try to get him to admit 355 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:10.200 to the rest if there are. 356 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:14.119 More, we don't know. I don't know, I will. 357 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.200 I think it would be easy. I mean, he's there 358 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.880 for life. Even if they invented mortality, they attacked on 359 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:21.200 an additional hundred years to that. 360 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:23.799 So he's got he's got over three hundred years total. 361 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:24.160 Right. 362 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:27.440 I think a lot of it and I'll talk about 363 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:29.039 this more at the end. I think a lot of 364 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.640 it has to do with him wanting to protect his family, 365 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.359 his wife and step son and his daughter. 366 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.599 As to who he might have colluded with or no, 367 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.000 it could be that like this person that killed Peaches 368 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.440 already forgot her name. I apologize this guy who just 369 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.680 like did a quote unquote regular murder, like killed by 370 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:56.519 one person, probably with his kid, does he like know 371 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:00.200 someone even maybe Rex or knew someone else that it, 372 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:02.559 you know, took bodies to that beach, to that area, 373 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:06.599 to that coastline, to to bury his own body after 374 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.119 knowing how how great of a spot it is, so 375 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:09.680 to speak. 376 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:13.599 It's it's it's certainly possible. We've always kind of thrown 377 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:16.160 it around ourselves that he had accomplices he worked with. 378 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.480 I mean from ninety three to twenty twenty five, that's 379 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:21.200 when he found out her name. So that's getting away 380 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:22.240 with murder for a long time. 381 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.880 You mean peaches his name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, 382 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:31.720 I think you know. It's it's how good is this 383 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:36.400 FBI Behavioral analysis unit going to be with extracting information? 384 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:39.119 How much does he want to save his family from 385 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:41.519 if there are other people involved, how much he wants 386 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:43.920 to save those people? You know, there's so many factors, 387 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.559 or he just might want you he cares about his family. Yeah, 388 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:49.960 I'll tell you why. Okay, I'll tell you why. 389 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:53.960 At the end, only because of how how remorseless he is. 390 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.839 But I've seen people legit justify a lot of things 391 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:01.480 and if they care about and I see them care 392 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:03.799 about other things too, and now in very weird ways. 393 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:04.759 So like I get it. 394 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.559 Yeah, I have some kind of late breaking news that 395 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:09.880 I couldn't work into here because i'd literally watched this 396 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:12.599 documentary last night. So okay, and we'll talk about that. 397 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:16.319 I'll definitely talk about that, Okay. So on Long Island, 398 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:21.000 that investigation into the remaining unidentified victims it continues. Police 399 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:23.559 have confirmed that human's DNA has been entered into a 400 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.799 statewide database to see match if it matches any other 401 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.640