Speaker 1: Welcome to my world, bitch.
Speaker 2: Wold good.
Speaker 1: Welcome to this bonus episode of the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast.
Speaker 3: So Littlely Paranormal.
Speaker 1: My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and
Speaker 1: with me as always is Oscar Spector producer Extraordinair podcast
Speaker 1: co host. Well, Oscar, we had to jump on the
Speaker 1: mics because there's some hot news in the world of
Speaker 1: the Long Island serial killer. We have an update, a
Speaker 1: very important update. Okay, this is one of those timely
Speaker 1: episodes where it's being talked about right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, if if.
Speaker 1: You're not hearing it out there, you probably live under
Speaker 1: a rock.
Speaker 3: So you brought me here on the false pretenses. That's
Speaker 3: not what you told me to come over here. You
Speaker 3: said you want me to jump on the bike so
Speaker 3: you can finally confess your deepest, darkest sins. This is
Speaker 3: you just told me a lie I did. You just
Speaker 3: got me into this room. I didn't want to talk
Speaker 3: about this guy anymore.
Speaker 1: I tricked you. I know, I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about him anymore.
Speaker 3: Either, but right, but you tricked me, and now we
Speaker 3: have to talk about this guy again.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so really, listeners should go back we've covered
Speaker 1: him four times already. I had to go back and
Speaker 1: get the episode numbers, because if you've been living under
Speaker 1: a rock and you don't know about the Long Island
Speaker 1: serial Killer or Rex Huerman or the GILG four, definitely
Speaker 1: go back and check out our episodes one fifty two,
Speaker 1: one fifty three, one fifty four, and one sixty four
Speaker 1: to get all caught up on the Long Island serial Killer,
Speaker 1: all the victims, the possible victims, all the suspects about
Speaker 1: Rex huremen, and all the crazy theories and conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3: The only positive thing about this guy, which I never
Speaker 3: want to hear coming out of this show ever again
Speaker 3: Jay after today, yes, is that he has given us
Speaker 3: a lot of like material tons of materials, so like,
Speaker 3: you know, like we can, we can take it easy sometimes,
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, oh you can. I mean you're doing
Speaker 3: the research obviously not so much too, but like you know,
Speaker 3: it's is an easy go to.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's kind of.
Speaker 3: Fun to worry or rack our brains to what the
Speaker 3: hell we're gonna do next time?
Speaker 1: Right right? Because Rex always up to some shit right
Speaker 1: right now? I think to your point where you say,
Speaker 1: hopefully we're not going to talk about this guy for
Speaker 1: a very long time, huh, said, I think that's going
Speaker 1: to be true. Based on these latest developments, I don't
Speaker 1: think I don't think we're going to get any of
Speaker 1: those real juicy the details that everyone's looking for. I
Speaker 1: don't think we're going to see those for a very
Speaker 1: very long time. Okay, And that kind of pisses me off, Okay,
Speaker 1: because I'm bought into the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, at this point we have.
Speaker 1: To ask a lot of people are bought into the story,
Speaker 1: right right? All right? So the ogre in the gray
Speaker 1: suit with an honest to god Mo Howard haircut, listeners, kids,
Speaker 1: look up Mo Howard. Three stooges, that's what this guy
Speaker 1: is sporting on top of his big dome. So the
Speaker 1: ogre and the Mo Howard haircut stood so still. He
Speaker 1: might have been part of the courtroom itself, an old
Speaker 1: piece of furniture, maybe for nearly three years. Rex Huerman
Speaker 1: said nothing. But on April eighth, two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: So just a few weeks ago, he walked into a
Speaker 1: packed Suffolk County courtroom and began to unspool a decade
Speaker 1: of secrets in less time than it takes to cook
Speaker 1: a Monday night meal. He didn't weep, he didn't rage,
Speaker 1: he didn't look menacingly at all the families lives that
Speaker 1: he shattered. He simply answered the judge in a flat,
Speaker 1: almost bored voice, Yes, your honor, Yes, strangulation, as if
Speaker 1: he were confirming some mundane checklist, like a grocery list
Speaker 1: outside families of the dead held hands inside a monster
Speaker 1: clocked out. Do you feel it's in your best interest
Speaker 1: to plead guilty rather than go to trial, asked Judge
Speaker 1: Timothy Matse, Yes, your honor. Do you feel it's in
Speaker 1: your best interest to plead guilty? A curt nod, no hesitation, Yes,
Speaker 1: I do. The judge acts asked if rex Human understood
Speaker 1: he was giving up his right to appeal, his right
Speaker 1: to a trial. Yes, your honor. Then came the names.
Speaker 1: Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney, a fantastic prosecutor who
Speaker 1: launched a dedicated multi agency task force that identified in ares,
Speaker 1: arrested Rex Hureman in July twenty twenty three. Tierney stood
Speaker 1: and began to read the names of the dead aloud.
Speaker 1: Melissa Barthelemy Meghan Waterman, Amber Costello, one by one, He asked, hureman,
Speaker 1: how he killed them? You killed each victim in the
Speaker 1: same manner, namely strangulation, Yes, Melissa strangulation, Megan strangulation, Amber strangulation.
Speaker 1: No elaboration, no apology, no hint of remorse, just that
Speaker 1: same clinical word, over and over, ticking off that list, strangulation.
Speaker 1: Ray Tierney pressed further, Did you bind them in burlap?
Speaker 1: Did you dismember some of them? Yes? Yes. Human never
Speaker 1: raised his voice, he never broke eye contact with the judge.
Speaker 1: When the prosecutor asked about Karen Viergatta, a thirty four
Speaker 1: year old mother of two who vanished on Valentine's Day
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, a death Huworman had never been charged with,
Speaker 1: he gave another flat, emotionless reply, I intentionally caused the
Speaker 1: death of Karen Viergatta and left her remains. Twenty minutes
Speaker 1: after it began, the hearing ended. The man who had
Speaker 1: lived two lives suburban architect by day, deranged serial predator
Speaker 1: by night, was led away in shackles the overflow rooms,
Speaker 1: emptied into the hallways. Heard among the murmurs of conversation
Speaker 1: was he admitted it, almost in disbelief that what they
Speaker 1: just heard outside. Victim's relatives gathered on the courtroom steps.
Speaker 1: Can sister to Marine Brainard Barnes, spoke for many when
Speaker 1: she said, quote, this has been a long journey of hope,
Speaker 1: she said. Now. Huerman's ex wife, Aesa Alorup, who sat
Speaker 1: in the last row of the courtroom with their daughter, Victoria,
Speaker 1: did not immediately speak to reporters, but later released a
Speaker 1: statement asking for privacy and saying her thoughts and prayers
Speaker 1: were with the families. So Rex Huerman, the ogre, who
Speaker 1: he could now confidently call the Long Island serial killer,
Speaker 1: pled guilty to three counts of first degree murder and
Speaker 1: four counts of intentional murder or second degree murder. Under
Speaker 1: New York law, the difference mattered. First degree meant he
Speaker 1: had committed another felony during the killing, like kidnapping or
Speaker 1: sexual abuse. Those three victims, Melissa Barthelemy Megan Waterman and
Speaker 1: Amber Costello, earned him mandatory life without parole. The other four,
Speaker 1: Marine Brainerd Barnes, Jessica Taylor, Sandra Caristia, and Valerie Mack,
Speaker 1: carried fifteen years to life, but the judge tacked on
Speaker 1: an extra hundred years just to be sure. Then there
Speaker 1: was Karen Viergatta, the eighth woman. Human confessed to her
Speaker 1: murder in open court, even though no one had charged
Speaker 1: him with it. It was the distric attorney later said,
Speaker 1: a kind of a house cleaning, a way to close
Speaker 1: the doors of the books on Karen Viergatta, a ghost
Speaker 1: who had haunted the Long Island serial killer case for
Speaker 1: three decades. Now, as part of the deal, Human agreed
Speaker 1: to sit down with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, the
Speaker 1: same squad that once interviewed Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy,
Speaker 1: Richard Speck.
Speaker 3: And they were on the cast of the Mine Hunter
Speaker 3: Mine Hunter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. That those are the people that he'll be
Speaker 1: sitting down with. It is going to be forced to
Speaker 1: sit down with. It's kind of an academic exercise, Ray
Speaker 1: Tierney said. They want to understand what created him, what
Speaker 1: drove him, what causes this. Now today Human sits in
Speaker 1: a segregated cell at Suffo County Correctional Facility. He chose
Speaker 1: to be there, voluntary segregation, they call it. He doesn't
Speaker 1: mingle with the general population, not because he fears them,
Speaker 1: though some innates have wanted to kill him or hurt him,
Speaker 1: but because he seems to prefer his own company. Sheriff
Speaker 1: Errow Toulon, who oversees operations and inmate custody within the
Speaker 1: Suffa County Sheriff's department, and who's overseen high profile inmates
Speaker 1: like John Gotti, John Gotti, Teflon Dan. He says, Hureman
Speaker 1: shows none of the despair typical of other notorious prisoners,
Speaker 1: no remorse, no visible distress. Instead, he carries himself with
Speaker 1: what Toulon calls a bit of smugness. He says, Rex
Speaker 1: is emotionless, unfazed by the situation he's in. And he says,
Speaker 1: Rex sizes people up, he studies their gait, their tone,
Speaker 1: how they speak to him, and then he offers short,
Speaker 1: clipped answers in return. And he does not hold lengthy
Speaker 1: conversation with guards. You're not getting a lot out of
Speaker 1: this guy. Now. Once a week, a cleric, either a
Speaker 1: Catholic priest or a nun, visits Hureman in his cell.
Speaker 1: He never claimed to be Catholic, but that's who he
Speaker 1: chooses to speak with. Catholic priests and nuns. These religious
Speaker 1: visits happen in private, and absolutely no one knows what
Speaker 1: they discuss. Now Interestingly, before his arrest, Humeman did architectural
Speaker 1: work for Catholic charities, and the irony has not lost
Speaker 1: on investigators. To keep busy Rex reads. Recently, he checked
Speaker 1: out two books from the correctional Center's library, West Wind,
Speaker 1: a high stakes Cold War era thriller, and Devil's Banker,
Speaker 1: a high stakes financial thriller. He also visits the law
Speaker 1: library regularly by court order. He has a laptop to
Speaker 1: review the mountains of discovery documents in his case, and
Speaker 1: his only exercise is walking laps in a small yard
Speaker 1: and said he's one hundred percent compliant, and the sheriff
Speaker 1: believes the reason is simple. Hueman is surrounded by men.
Speaker 1: He does not challenge men. He's not a fighter. Since
Speaker 1: his incarceration, Human has received roughly one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: visits from his ex wife, Asa Ellerup, who visits about
Speaker 1: once a week, or at least she did, from friends,
Speaker 1: from mental health professionals, and from his attorneys. Now one
Speaker 1: visitor tried to see Hureman but was turned away, and
Speaker 1: that visitor was Christopher Lob. Now, Christopher Lob is not
Speaker 1: a name most people remember, although we did make it
Speaker 1: a point to talk to him. Talk about him, excuse me.
Speaker 1: In our previous Long Island serial Killer episodes. In the
Speaker 1: Twisted History of the Long Island serial Killer case, Christopher
Speaker 1: Lobe plays this strange kind of supporting role. Back in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, Lob, a convicted felon, broke into an unmarked
Speaker 1: Suffolk County police vehicle. Do you remember this?
Speaker 3: No, not Offhan how Man anymore.
Speaker 1: So he broke into this, this unmarked Suffolk County police car, yes,
Speaker 1: I remember, right, and inside he stole this duffel bad
Speaker 1: belonging to then police chief James Burke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fucking guy one with the hookers and should.
Speaker 1: Yes, just the dirt bag. Now. That bad that Lobe
Speaker 1: stole contained Burke's gun belt, ammunition, a cigar box, sex toys,
Speaker 1: adult films, and what Lobe described as a possible snuff film.
Speaker 3: Remember, yes, yeah, it's coming back now.
Speaker 1: That fear that that obviously enraged this psychopath James Burke,
Speaker 1: who later beat Lob beat the ship out of him
Speaker 1: while he was helplessly handcuffed to the floor. Remember, and
Speaker 1: he pressured his officers officers under him to lie about
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and that scandal unraveled. Burke's career, and
Speaker 1: he actually served jail time for that for those civil
Speaker 1: rights violations. The thing is Lobe had long insisted that
Speaker 1: Burke was involved in something something much, much darker, not
Speaker 1: just kinky sex and porn. But Lobe publicly claimed that
Speaker 1: James Burke himself was connected to the Gilgo Beach murders,
Speaker 1: either he was the Long Island serial killer or he
Speaker 1: helped support him in some way. And Loeb says, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't break into Rex's truck. I broke into Burke's truck.
Speaker 1: And Loeb noted that the murders miraculously stopped after his
Speaker 1: burglary of James Burke's truck. Right, So, when Loeb tried
Speaker 1: to visit or contact Hueorman at Suffolk County Jail, Sheriff
Speaker 1: to alone confirmed that the request was made, but it
Speaker 1: was rejected by Human himself. No one knows what Lobe
Speaker 1: wanted to speak to him about what he was going
Speaker 1: to bring up, but Christopher Loeb's attempt to insert himself
Speaker 1: into the story decades after his burglary of Chief Burke's truck,
Speaker 1: it's just a reminder that this case has always had
Speaker 1: these strange currents running beneath it. Burke was never named
Speaker 1: a suspect in the murders, of course, and from what
Speaker 1: I could tell, Christopher Lobe himself is currently incarcerated on
Speaker 1: charges lated to a January twenty twenty four violent assault
Speaker 1: on an eighty nine year old woman. And Rex Human
Speaker 1: has always says nothing.
Speaker 3: It's like everyone in this fucking story, other than the victims,
Speaker 3: are bad guys, just the different levels of that, different
Speaker 3: degrees of bad guys. Like this one's obviously the nicest
Speaker 3: of all the bad guys, the eighty nine year old
Speaker 3: beater upper, which says a lot, because that's a lot, right,
Speaker 3: that's my point, Like, yeah, he's way better than the cop,
Speaker 3: way better than human manicurs, but like still a piece
Speaker 3: of shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, none of these people are really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, for all the bizarre tangents and shadowy figures that
Speaker 1: have circled this case over the decades, the story has
Speaker 1: never been about them. It's always been about the women,
Speaker 1: the ones Human admitted to killing, their names, their lives,
Speaker 1: and the horror of how they died. That's what really matters.
Speaker 1: Hureman's Please brought the total number of victim confirmed to eight.
Speaker 1: The authorities have not ruled out that there may be more.
Speaker 1: As a reminder, the women he killed when he admitted
Speaker 1: in open court to killing were Sandra Cristilla, aged twenty eight,
Speaker 1: found in north Sea, Long Island, with DNA matching rex Huerman.
Speaker 1: There was Karen Vigata thirty four, a mother of two
Speaker 1: whose nineteen ninety six murder Rex admitted to on his
Speaker 1: own in court. It was Valerie mack age twenty four,
Speaker 1: Justsica Taylor, aged twenty, both dismembered and scattered between Manerville
Speaker 1: and Gilgil Beach. There was Marine Brainerd Barnes twenty five,
Speaker 1: bound with leather belts remember that with the w H
Speaker 1: or the HM on the belts.
Speaker 3: Yep, And he leads to his house too murber Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, that they thought might have been his grandfather's initials M.
Speaker 1: And that belt also held his wife's DNA. If you remember,
Speaker 1: There was Melissa Barthonomy that he admitted to, age twenty four,
Speaker 1: whose teenage sister received those horrible racist calls from the
Speaker 1: killer from her sister's own phone. Yeah, after she disappeared.
Speaker 1: There was Megan Waterman age twenty two, who we now
Speaker 1: know had that oh excuse me, yeah, new revelation Megan
Speaker 1: Waterman twenty two, who we now know had a very
Speaker 1: specific bounty paper towel stuffed in her mouth when she
Speaker 1: was found. That matched a square of bounty paper towel
Speaker 1: found in one of rex Huerman's desks. Again, this is
Speaker 1: brand new information, and that was a specific, unique type
Speaker 1: of bounty paper towel that was only sold in certain
Speaker 1: stores believe it or not. Really, so they're linking him
Speaker 1: to Waterman because of this this bounty paper towel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy research on the topside for that one.
Speaker 1: And then of course he admitted to killing Amberlin Costello
Speaker 1: from West Babylon, New York, age twenty seven, last seen
Speaker 1: meeting a stranger in a Chevy Avalanche, a description that
Speaker 1: led police straight to rex Hureman. Human killed all these
Speaker 1: women between nineteen ninety three and twenty ten, wrangled each one,
Speaker 1: and some he admitted he dismembered. But here's where the
Speaker 1: story once again twists. Hereman's confession closed eight cases, but
Speaker 1: it didn't close Gilgo Beach, remember along that same stretch
Speaker 1: of Ocean Parkway. I believe there are five more victims
Speaker 1: that are still lying in evidence lockers and cold case files.
Speaker 1: They don't have names and no one has claimed them.
Speaker 1: There are four Jane Does. One is Asian between eighteen
Speaker 1: and thirty five years old, who died between two thousand
Speaker 1: and two thousand and five. There's another another Jane Doe,
Speaker 1: same age range and same window of death as the
Speaker 1: previous one, the Asian. A third Jane Doe was discovered
Speaker 1: in Nassau County in nineteen ninety three, stuffed in a
Speaker 1: plastic container. And then there's the Fire Island Jane Doe
Speaker 1: found in nineteen ninety six. And then there's the other
Speaker 1: what we call the outlier. Remember the Asian male who
Speaker 1: was found dressed in women's clothing Giggle Beachman the other
Speaker 1: victims near the other victims, so that by count makes
Speaker 1: five left to still identify. And if you remember from
Speaker 1: our previous episodes, there was yet again another story running
Speaker 1: parallel to the Long Island serial killer case, one that
Speaker 1: wound up having nothing to do with Rex at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, but it was just as kind
Speaker 1: of gripping for years. The case of Peaches and her
Speaker 1: toddler daughter haunted investigators. Remember Peaches I do In June
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, the dismembered torso of a young woman
Speaker 1: later nicknamed Peaches for a distinctive heart shaped peach tattoo
Speaker 1: found on her body, was found inside a plastic container
Speaker 1: in a wooded area of Hempstead Lake Park Hempstead State
Speaker 1: Park in West Hempstead, New York. More than a decade later,
Speaker 1: during the height of the search for Giggle Beach victims,
Speaker 1: additional remains of Peaches and the skeletal remains of her
Speaker 1: young daughter were found along Ocean Parkway, not far from
Speaker 1: the other victims. Now the child, initially known as Baby Dough,
Speaker 1: have been wrapped in a blanket and was wearing gold
Speaker 1: jewelry when she was found, and she was linked to
Speaker 1: Peaches through DNA. For nearly three decades, the identities of
Speaker 1: mother and daughter remained a mystery, thought to be victims
Speaker 1: of the Long Island serial killer, but a major breakthrough
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five advances in forensic genealogy allowed investigators
Speaker 1: to finally put names to these bodies. Peaches. The mother
Speaker 1: was identified as Tanya Denise Jackson, a twenty six year
Speaker 1: old US Army veteran and single mother originally from Alabama.
Speaker 1: Her daughter was identified as Tatiana Marie Diykes just two
Speaker 1: years old when she was killed. For years, investigators linked
Speaker 1: Tanya Jackson and her daughter Tatiana to the Gilgo Beach killings,
Speaker 1: but as evidence mounted, that theory crumbled. In December of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Florida resident Andrew Dykes, aged sixty six,
Speaker 1: Tatiana's fire, was arrested and charged with Tanya's murder with
Speaker 1: Peach's murder, He's not been charged with the killing of
Speaker 1: his two year old daughter Nasa County da and Donnelly
Speaker 1: says prosecutors lack sufficient evidence to connect him on that
Speaker 1: count right now now. Dikes was married to another woman
Speaker 1: when he met Tanya Peaches. The two had an affair,
Speaker 1: and Tatiana was their love child. Prosecutors alleged Dikes killed
Speaker 1: Tanya to end that affair and save his marriage, and
Speaker 1: it's likely he killed his daughter for that same reason,
Speaker 1: though again it hasn't been proven yet. But where there's smoke,
Speaker 1: there's fire, I think well. Al Tanya and Tatiana's case
Speaker 1: is basically solved for the most part. Heureman's plea is
Speaker 1: cracked open a much wider hunt opening this Pandora's box
Speaker 1: of cold cases across the country. Law enforcement agencies from
Speaker 1: New Jersey to Nevada are reviewing unsolved murders for potential
Speaker 1: links to Huerman, whose property holdings and travel records have
Speaker 1: placed them in a number of states. D A. Tierney
Speaker 1: has made it clear that his offices is not stopped,
Speaker 1: and he stated, quote, we're not going to stop. We
Speaker 1: can't stop. We owe that to the victims. That's the
Speaker 1: least we could do. End quote.
Speaker 3: Hmmm. I want to say, based on his testimony in
Speaker 3: court and the way he said it and that way
Speaker 3: that offhand that one person said about Rex Hureman that
Speaker 3: not being surrounded by any women at all kind of
Speaker 3: like took his power away, so to speak.
Speaker 1: In prison. Yeah, Oh, I think so definitely.
Speaker 3: In a sense that like he is much more maybe
Speaker 3: submissive to us, to all these like authorities. They're all
Speaker 3: manly authorities.
Speaker 1: It looks that way.
Speaker 3: It's very strange, which makes me feel like he definitely
Speaker 3: did that Asian guy. Oh but we talked about that
Speaker 3: then too, and they called him an Asian twink, right, yes, correct? Anyway,
Speaker 3: is that based on that it feels like, is it not?
Speaker 3: Is it difficult to try to get him to admit
Speaker 3: to the rest if there are.
Speaker 1: More, we don't know. I don't know, I will.
Speaker 3: I think it would be easy. I mean, he's there
Speaker 3: for life. Even if they invented mortality, they attacked on
Speaker 3: an additional hundred years to that.
Speaker 1: So he's got he's got over three hundred years total.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it and I'll talk about
Speaker 1: this more at the end. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it has to do with him wanting to protect his family,
Speaker 1: his wife and step son and his daughter.
Speaker 3: As to who he might have colluded with or no,
Speaker 3: it could be that like this person that killed Peaches
Speaker 3: already forgot her name. I apologize this guy who just
Speaker 3: like did a quote unquote regular murder, like killed by
Speaker 3: one person, probably with his kid, does he like know
Speaker 3: someone even maybe Rex or knew someone else that it,
Speaker 3: you know, took bodies to that beach, to that area,
Speaker 3: to that coastline, to to bury his own body after
Speaker 3: knowing how how great of a spot it is, so
Speaker 3: to speak.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's certainly possible. We've always kind of thrown
Speaker 1: it around ourselves that he had accomplices he worked with.
Speaker 3: I mean from ninety three to twenty twenty five, that's
Speaker 3: when he found out her name. So that's getting away
Speaker 3: with murder for a long time.
Speaker 1: You mean peaches his name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know. It's it's how good is this
Speaker 1: FBI Behavioral analysis unit going to be with extracting information?
Speaker 1: How much does he want to save his family from
Speaker 1: if there are other people involved, how much he wants
Speaker 1: to save those people? You know, there's so many factors,
Speaker 1: or he just might want you he cares about his family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Okay, I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: At the end, only because of how how remorseless he is.
Speaker 3: But I've seen people legit justify a lot of things
Speaker 3: and if they care about and I see them care
Speaker 3: about other things too, and now in very weird ways.
Speaker 3: So like I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have some kind of late breaking news that
Speaker 1: I couldn't work into here because i'd literally watched this
Speaker 1: documentary last night. So okay, and we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: I'll definitely talk about that, Okay. So on Long Island,
Speaker 1: that investigation into the remaining unidentified victims it continues. Police
Speaker 1: have confirmed that human's DNA has been entered into a
Speaker 1: statewide database to see match if it matches any other
Speaker 1: unsolved crimes. Authorities are also re examining the other victims
Speaker 1: found on Gilgo Beach, like I mentioned, whose deaths have
Speaker 1: yet to be solved. Investigators in New Jersey began re
Speaker 1: examining the two thousand and six murders of six sex
Speaker 1: work four sex workers in Atlantic City by a killer
Speaker 1: dubbed the Eastbound Strangler. Remember these guys, these victims, The
Speaker 1: victims Kim Raffo, age thirty five, Tracy N Roberts, age
Speaker 1: twenty three, Barbara Briador age forty two, and Molly Dilts,
Speaker 1: age twenty. They're all found line face down with their
Speaker 1: heads pointed east towards the city's casino high rises, towards
Speaker 1: the downtown area. The women were all working as sex workers,
Speaker 1: and they all suffered severe addictions. They were all strangled,
Speaker 1: and the bodies were all discovered in a ditch, kind
Speaker 1: of in a row behind these the shitty ass motels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so striking, remember this so striking to Diego Beach. Former
Speaker 1: Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison initially initially told WABC
Speaker 1: that authorities were weighing an investigation into human's possible connection
Speaker 1: to that Eastbound Strangler case. However, in a later statement
Speaker 1: to the New York Post, Harrison world out a link,
Speaker 1: stating quote, we don't believe that sex the sex workers
Speaker 1: killed in Atlantic City are connected to Rex Hereman end quote.
Speaker 1: But despite this, the Atlantic County Presecutor's office say it's
Speaker 1: continued to continuing to investigate those two thousand and six
Speaker 1: Eastbound strangler homicides to see if they cooberate with Rex Hereman.
Speaker 1: So we'll see then we have Las Vegas. Hereroman's tides
Speaker 1: to Las Vegas has also drawn significant scrutiny. Public records
Speaker 1: showed he owned a timeshare on Tropicava Avenue Chopicana Avenue
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, purchased in April two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: and he sold another Vegas property in twenty twelve. He
Speaker 1: was known to spend time in Nevada, including at a
Speaker 1: convention in twenty seventeen, and following his arrest, the Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Metropolitan Police Department confirmed they were reviewing their unsolved
Speaker 1: cases to see if Rex has any involvement. One case
Speaker 1: in particular has captured the attention of investigators. In two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, nineteen year old sex worker Jody Marie
Speaker 1: Brewer went missing from the Harbor Island Club apartments, located
Speaker 1: just over four miles from Huroman's Las Vegas condominium. Her
Speaker 1: torso was discovered wrapped in plastic in cloth two weeks
Speaker 1: later near the California Nevada border. And this case is
Speaker 1: still unsolved. And I believe we did speak about Jody
Speaker 1: Brewer in one of our Long Island Serial Killer episodes.
Speaker 3: The names all Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, let's jet over to the South Carolina, where Human's
Speaker 1: goofball brother lives in Chester, South Carolina, where Human owns property,
Speaker 1: and where a first generation Chevy Avalanche he once used
Speaker 1: was impounded pursuant to a search warrant. Local police are
Speaker 1: looking into the twenty fourteen disappearance of eighteen year old
Speaker 1: Aliah Bell, who vanished days before Thanksgiving after leaving her
Speaker 1: uncle's home in rock Hill, South Carolina, about twenty miles
Speaker 1: from Huroman's property. Law enforcement agencies in Connecticut and Virginia
Speaker 1: have also noted possible links between Humorman and their cold cases.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's possibly this guy's got bodies everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's a very strong possibility, and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see what comes next for this case. On June seventeenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, Judge Matse will hand down those life
Speaker 1: sentences and human will die in prison. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of the latest on rex Hureman. You know, who knows
Speaker 1: when we'll get another update. You know, we might have
Speaker 1: to wait for an author to write a book on
Speaker 1: human before we get the next the next updates, the
Speaker 1: FBI is not going to put out information. That's all
Speaker 1: going to be secret ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how they work.
Speaker 1: Now, something worth mentioning. Remember Shannon Gilbert, She's she's still
Speaker 1: she's still, she's still a victim, and no one really
Speaker 1: knows what happened to her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the one with the with the weird walking
Speaker 3: around and trying to get the cops with the neighbor
Speaker 3: right wa and that other guy that was probably a
Speaker 3: drug dealer or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe Brewer. She went to go to his house and.
Speaker 3: I remember her.
Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, she's the one who literally cracked up
Speaker 1: in the whole case.
Speaker 3: Yes, she started, she's.
Speaker 1: Yes, right now her death is ruled kind of like misadventure.
Speaker 1: Drugs expired and drowned. I think we talked about that, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but that's who the investigators were out searching for when
Speaker 1: they stubbled across the GUILDO for yes. And the question
Speaker 1: has always been, what happened to Shannon? Who killed her?
Speaker 1: Was it Rex Hureman, James Burke, the cop, Peter Hackett,
Speaker 1: that crazy doctor, her driver, right, her driver, Michael Pack?
Speaker 1: Was it someone else? Was she even murdered? Well? In
Speaker 1: the early days after Human's arrest back in July twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, his defense attorney Michael J. Brown adopted this
Speaker 1: kind of familiar strategy, point the figure somewhere else right,
Speaker 1: not my client, while maintaining his client's innocence, Rex's innocence,
Speaker 1: Brown repeatedly suggested to investigators that they were ignoring this
Speaker 1: more significant and these more significant and stronger leads in
Speaker 1: the Shannon Gilbert case. We don't know who those leads
Speaker 1: were and have they never mentioned it, But one thing
Speaker 1: he did say often was that there was a strong
Speaker 1: possibility that the real Long Island serial killer, not his
Speaker 1: not his client Rex, but the real Long Island serial
Speaker 1: killer also murdered Shannon Gilbert. Right, So it was really
Speaker 1: convenient argument at the time if the killer was still
Speaker 1: out there, if Shannon was proof that the murders hadn't
Speaker 1: stopped with Ewerman, then perhaps prosecutors had the wrong guy.
Speaker 1: But then came April eighth, when Hreman stood before a
Speaker 1: judge in a at courtroom and confessed to eight murders.
Speaker 1: The quote unquote other leads Brown had mentioned evaporated instantly.
Speaker 1: The man who had once suggested Shannon Gilbert was another
Speaker 1: victim of the same killer now represented that very same
Speaker 1: killer himself. And now Brown he's abruptly stopped mentioning Shannon altogether,
Speaker 1: and he's eaten his words. So it's still unsolved what
Speaker 1: happened to Shannon.
Speaker 3: Again, just like last time. It does milo bizarre that
Speaker 3: Wax is not admitted to Shannon's death if he was
Speaker 3: the one that did it.
Speaker 1: No, he hasn't, And that's.
Speaker 3: Even stranger than the other case when I mentioned this
Speaker 3: up earlier, because it's from that area, it's from the
Speaker 3: murders that he's in court for, right, even if he
Speaker 3: did more across very very close, super close, So like
Speaker 3: it seems out of pocket for him not to admit
Speaker 3: that when he gave up that other one unprompted uh
Speaker 3: and admitted to everyone else of course, So it does
Speaker 3: seem to me like, I'm thinking, my mone, isn't that cop?
Speaker 3: But maybe somebody else did that murder, not misadventure, but
Speaker 3: it was a coincidental, different murder that landed the other shark,
Speaker 3: the bigger fish, which is Hureman.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, here's something interesting. So I read a few articles.
Speaker 1: Now if you, if you remember Shannon, the initial autopsy, uh,
Speaker 1: given by the county was kind of like death by misadventure,
Speaker 1: right drugs. She freaked out, she landed in this Marshy
Speaker 1: Marshy area, and she drowned, which I think is complete bullshit.
Speaker 1: But then the family got the famous medical examiner, doctor
Speaker 1: Michael Badden from HBO, that HBO show autopsy back in
Speaker 1: the day, this very very famous guy. He found evidence
Speaker 1: of strangulation, namely a damaged hyoid bone. Remember this, so
Speaker 1: now I've read that Shannon's hyoid bone and her larynx
Speaker 1: were missing. This was found during the second autopsy perfund
Speaker 1: performed by Michael Badden, and that scene in severe strangulation.
Speaker 1: In severe strangulation cases, that hyoid bone and the larynx
Speaker 1: are damaged and crushed so badly that it looks as
Speaker 1: if they're missing. Even more evidence towards a very violent strangulation.
Speaker 3: And is a big guy, a huge, huge guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like a torring menace.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Now the larynx part was new
Speaker 1: that that wasn't out when we first started talking about
Speaker 1: this back in those other episodes.
Speaker 3: Which is why again to get this this case gives
Speaker 3: us a lot of ground to cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does, so that I thought that was
Speaker 1: really interesting. I wanted to bring that up. It seems
Speaker 1: like even more evidence of strangulation now, So that's what
Speaker 1: I that's what I scripted based on the newest updates.
Speaker 1: There is a new documentary out, God it was it
Speaker 1: interesting hour and a half. In it, you talk to
Speaker 1: Victoria the daughter, You talk to Asa, the wife. The
Speaker 1: psychologists kind of assigned to Asa to help her through things.
Speaker 1: And you asked if Rex truly feels he wants to
Speaker 1: protect his family or if he loves his family however
Speaker 1: you say it, and I said, I believe he does,
Speaker 1: and I'll talk about it. So before he was, before
Speaker 1: he admitted an open court to these eight murders, these
Speaker 1: these eight heinous crimes, he was allowed to talk to
Speaker 1: his wife and daughter individually and admit to them face
Speaker 1: to face what he did and allow them to ask
Speaker 1: of him any questions they had, and they did.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: In the documentary that that's exactly what happens as of
Speaker 1: the wife goes in with this psychologist, this person, I
Speaker 1: want to call it her handler almost They go in
Speaker 1: and they sit with Rex. He admits that he did this.
Speaker 1: She asks, uh, she never. She says she never got
Speaker 1: a why, but that all but one were in the
Speaker 1: house in the basement, and we.
Speaker 3: Talked about that he might have done that in his
Speaker 3: house and proven because of some evidence. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also the sex party is a swinging thing that
Speaker 3: they were trying to or doing.
Speaker 1: Supposedly, yes, supposedly that that has not been proven. That
Speaker 1: has not been talked about again frankly because that would
Speaker 1: also involve his wife, right, and supposedly ASA knows nothing
Speaker 1: nothing of any of this, Okay, he admitted, like, uh, gow,
Speaker 1: what else did he say? He admitted, like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: when you guys would go on vacation, that's.
Speaker 3: Right, definitely you do it vacation things like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The biggest though, why she said, she said she
Speaker 1: didn't get she didn't get a why. Yet you could
Speaker 1: tell she still loves him. You could tell she still
Speaker 1: wants to have a relationship with him, no doubt. I
Speaker 1: think this is a woman who has been.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe brainwashed, is too harsh, conditioned, but definitely conditioned
Speaker 4: and controlled since they met, since their marriage. For I
Speaker 4: can see that with this thirty years whatever it is.
Speaker 4: I can see that with this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And he actually said, he's like, well, I divorced
Speaker 1: my first first wife because she was crazy. I couldn't
Speaker 1: control her thing. I couldn't control her. Yeah, he could.
Speaker 1: She was She came from abusive background, growing up, abusive relationships.
Speaker 1: She didn't have anything.
Speaker 3: It's just the amount of milk toast that he needed
Speaker 3: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I think, so okay, Yeah, and she had a kid
Speaker 1: whose special needs though, so he was one that the
Speaker 1: olger came in, swooped in, picked her up, and gave
Speaker 1: her a life. And I think she's very dedicated with it.
Speaker 1: Was big muscly arms. I think she's very dedicated to that.
Speaker 1: On one hand, she feels horrible for the victims and
Speaker 1: the families.
Speaker 3: How she's alone now or not alone, but you know,
Speaker 3: I mean like a lot more alone.
Speaker 1: Right with nothing. They're not hirable. They're living in the
Speaker 1: same home. They don't have money. Well, that's debated. I
Speaker 1: guess now with these documentaries that came out in things,
Speaker 1: there's talks of millions of Doctua.
Speaker 3: That's true to tell right now, everything's happening right now.
Speaker 1: Everything's happening right now. Like I was going to.
Speaker 3: Ask you, what do you think of podcast in fifty
Speaker 3: years from now, if podcasts are still a thing like that,
Speaker 3: this whole story would be one episode, probably on twenty
Speaker 3: maybe seventeen pages long.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think it'll ever be.
Speaker 3: Well because Max, I mean even Max, because like everything
Speaker 3: will be I have been out by then. Most likely
Speaker 3: everyone's that involved because it's been fifty years, and like
Speaker 3: you're just trying to think back on how we do
Speaker 3: stories from before our time or when you or right
Speaker 3: in your time because you're sold and and like you know,
Speaker 3: looking is like we're in the middle now, we're in
Speaker 3: the trenches. It's like the war, no post war yet,
Speaker 3: but the post were people how will they look at
Speaker 3: this Rex room and guy in the whole case in general?
Speaker 3: Will there have been more attacked on? You know? Would
Speaker 3: he have died in prison by them? Most likely?
Speaker 1: Most likely right in fifty years, I think they'll be
Speaker 1: more taped on.
Speaker 3: You know, that's when that's why people do retrospect usually too,
Speaker 3: when they're like, oh yeah, when that crazeous heial killer
Speaker 3: from fifty years ago dies, like oh yeah, this is
Speaker 3: the time I released that episode or whatever. I wonder
Speaker 3: what those will look like and how much short of
Speaker 3: it will be. I don't know, but I can't wait,
Speaker 3: and what they'll skip too fifty Like we're talking about
Speaker 3: all these all these potential other factors that could have
Speaker 3: killed other people or helped them out or something. Will
Speaker 3: I even be a thing at all in fifty years,
Speaker 3: like just like just Rex or I don't know whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm curious.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to think what that sounds like.
Speaker 3: Curious as to what we'll get dropped, because I wonder.
Speaker 3: I wonder a lot about our shows. You know, we
Speaker 3: do cover a lot of murders, a lot of serial killers.
Speaker 3: So you know, how many things are we missing that
Speaker 3: we were just not privy to when it was on
Speaker 3: the news fresh.
Speaker 1: Oh, probably tons of information.
Speaker 3: So much stuff that they were just like bouncing around.
Speaker 3: Most likely none of that mattered anymore, but some of
Speaker 3: it must have.
Speaker 1: Well, we know for a fact that that police and
Speaker 1: investigators they hide information, They keep information close to the chest.
Speaker 1: You know, we know that for a fact. How much
Speaker 1: in this case, I don't know. I feel there's a
Speaker 1: lot more, I really do. Yeah, And it just might
Speaker 1: take fucking fifty years to find out, which makes me
Speaker 1: crazy because I'm so invested in this story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not making it that far, but no.
Speaker 1: I'll be surprised if I make it to sixty. So
Speaker 1: the wife definitely haunted. You can see the daughter too.
Speaker 1: They were haunted and completely understandable. Asa and the daughter
Speaker 1: and the son. Although you don't hear from the son
Speaker 1: at all, it's like they did. They don't know that person.
Speaker 1: He kept it so separate, He kept the serial killer
Speaker 1: so compartmentalized. They literally don't know what that person is,
Speaker 1: who that is, what they look like. They they only
Speaker 1: know the father and the husband. So it's such a
Speaker 1: such a weird dynamic. Now, the daughter, Victoria, who we
Speaker 1: talked about. We made kind of a big fuss about
Speaker 1: the daughter and drawing. She's made statement she's made Did
Speaker 1: she see things in that basement? Did she help? You know?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so. I just
Speaker 1: think she's kind of an odd ball. She's an odd cat.
Speaker 1: When when the camera catches humans from Harry Potter, Yeah
Speaker 1: very good. Yeah, kind of when the camera first catches
Speaker 1: her in the house, she's downstairs or this all happened
Speaker 1: with sage and she's saging the basement and the documentary
Speaker 1: person is like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: I remember documentary are all stage two. Okay, a lot
Speaker 3: of them maybe, but that's all they're doing. They all
Speaker 3: are okay, And that saying is not real. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that didn't happen. I'm not even saying that name Victoria.
Speaker 3: Victoria didn't want to do that at that time, which
Speaker 3: I did. But the order was you get seen the first.
Speaker 3: The fact is the first one is the documentary's decision.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, maybe she had a few speaking moments, but then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying, it's all stage You look exactly in
Speaker 3: the right order that you want them they want you
Speaker 3: to look at.
Speaker 1: But I could also see her being that kind of person,
Speaker 1: that kind of spiritual.
Speaker 3: That makes sense with them, that makes sense with this
Speaker 3: kind of behavior, like you tend to really go on
Speaker 3: one aden and from what you grew up with totally
Speaker 3: or have seen so far. But I don't think I'm
Speaker 3: convinced about that means that cares about I don't think
Speaker 3: he cares. I think he thinks he cares. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's a ship. I think he cares about controlling
Speaker 3: the people. I mean, being able to control person. And
Speaker 3: we're stipulating at this point as to how much control
Speaker 3: he had over Asia.
Speaker 1: Asa or some people say Asa Asa is.
Speaker 3: That Uh yeah, he just misses the control. He doesn't
Speaker 3: care about her. I don't think that means that he
Speaker 3: cares about it.
Speaker 1: He might not have the capability, right.
Speaker 3: Right, That's what I'm saying. I don't think based on
Speaker 3: his courtroom well, based on everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then too, they're in the courtroom scenes that
Speaker 1: we that that you can look at it on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Now when he's he's announcing, confessing, confessing, it's almost like
Speaker 1: he's got a fucking smirk on the entire time. It's
Speaker 1: so bizarre, shit, I think. But there's more. There's more
Speaker 1: with this documentary, all right, Right, So you got the daughter,
Speaker 1: she's she's staging the basement where all this happened. She
Speaker 1: goes in speaks to her father. You get a little
Speaker 1: insight into what that conversation looked like, and it was
Speaker 1: much the same as the questions the wife asked. You know,
Speaker 1: she didn't get a why, but she but he confessed,
Speaker 1: and then he was allowed to confess publicly at the
Speaker 1: very end of the dock. ASA, it's in the basement.
Speaker 1: Basement's now been remodeled, right, It's not a creepy looking
Speaker 1: dungeon kind of place anymore. And she moved her bedroom
Speaker 1: into the kill room. She now fucking sleeps in the
Speaker 1: kill room, in the dismemberment room. What the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And her thing is like, well, I want to make
Speaker 1: it a positive space.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that I want it.
Speaker 1: It's almost like communing with the dead there.
Speaker 3: If you had asked me, like, why do you think?
Speaker 3: I was said, that's that's probably what she thinks.
Speaker 1: Could you do it?
Speaker 3: Could I?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You could move your bedroom down there? Not yeah, where
Speaker 1: seven women's lives were snuffed and dismembered and not all.
Speaker 3: I I didn't do it. There's no video.
Speaker 1: Oh no, dude, I couldn't do it. I couldn't not
Speaker 1: in a million years.
Speaker 3: Yeah I could do it, But would I want what
Speaker 3: I prefer? No? I mean if there's other options, I would.
Speaker 1: There's always been there, she always lept upstairs.
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying, like I could do it if I
Speaker 3: have to, but I don't want to. No, I don't
Speaker 3: want to. In general, I don't like living in a basement.
Speaker 3: I know your son loves here, but like, period, like
Speaker 3: I just don't like basements necessarily. I grew up in basement.
Speaker 3: That's probably why, because I grew up living in a basement.
Speaker 1: That's my parents house. But like I thought that was mad, bizarre,
Speaker 1: that's just very creepy, very strange. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are look at that the complete wrong way.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because we're a society that demands a lot
Speaker 3: of things are stupid. But like, but you can't, you can't,
Speaker 3: you can't argue with that. That persons you know what
Speaker 3: they are feeling. It's just a very strange thing that
Speaker 3: you haven't gone through, and you don't know how you'll
Speaker 3: react with what I'm saying. There's just no way to
Speaker 3: I I don't alter for that. Well, it's it's weird, yes,
Speaker 3: but it's normal behavior. It's and human behavior, human condition.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 3: You know, you definitely should still keep seeing a therapist.
Speaker 3: Everyone should be doing that need.
Speaker 1: Yes, they needed bead.
Speaker 3: Everyone needs that, for sure. They should continue to do
Speaker 3: that and then hopefully the rest falls.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, So I mean that's that's the latest and greatest,
Speaker 1: and I think that's the last we're gonna hear besides
Speaker 1: the sentencing, right until I think some some author and
Speaker 1: some distant time in the future gets a book together,
Speaker 1: the unauthorized biography of Rex he in the long you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and forty seven years when Rex dies in prison
Speaker 3: and then a big XOS comes out, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: Then it's right, yeah, god willing. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: one more thing something. Oh and I think also him
Speaker 1: choosing to plead guilty eliminate the court, the trial in court.
Speaker 1: I also think that's a way for him to hold
Speaker 1: leverage in this whole thing because he knows people are
Speaker 1: waiting on baited breath for the latest and greatest details
Speaker 1: and now they're not going to get it. And I
Speaker 1: think he loves.
Speaker 3: It, okay, kind of like like nagging or something or
Speaker 3: what do you mean, Oh man, that a fuck you?
Speaker 1: I like a mm hmma for sure. So I think
Speaker 1: it's a little protective family. I think it's a little
Speaker 1: bit to say fuck you to the public to remain control,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's it, and if
Speaker 1: we have something else I want to think about this guy,
Speaker 1: we will update you. But we wanted to get this out,
Speaker 1: so Oscar take us home. Yes, m.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 1: M.
Speaker 3: I was gonna get you to do it.
Speaker 1: I just want to commit. I like the cracking idea.
Speaker 1: I like nautical themed tattoos.
Speaker 3: He had an instantly good idea that I never would
Speaker 3: have thought of without a professional because I told him
Speaker 3: about then know this and he was like his first
Speaker 3: thought was like, Okay, the first problem is that the
Speaker 3: hip is like a dividing line that's hard to bypass
Speaker 3: with one piece, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
Speaker 3: guess it's very difficult with certain things, especially if it's
Speaker 3: like one in this case of creature, right, with several tentacles, right.
Speaker 3: And he's like, but one thing we could do is
Speaker 3: that we can make the hip like the water line
Speaker 3: that the thing is coming out of, Like that could
Speaker 3: bypass that feat that look that will look like stilted
Speaker 3: or weird.
Speaker 1: That'll hide it. Yeah, like a lot of blacks and blues,
Speaker 1: like black fading.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I wanted realism or not.
Speaker 3: I don't know how I want to. I will discuss
Speaker 3: that about the Yeah, a lot of potential there, and
Speaker 3: I would want full color.
Speaker 1: I would definitely want.
Speaker 3: I mean you have to. I like purple deep purple life.
Speaker 3: I wanted like.
Speaker 1: Nice, very good man. I'm jelly. I want to get one.
Speaker 3: You should get one.
Speaker 1: I know. That's why I kind of want to do
Speaker 1: like some kind of a crack or an octopus. I
Speaker 1: really kind of want tentacles coming down onto my hand.
Speaker 3: That is cool. I mean I thought of that too.
Speaker 3: I'm afraid like the hand than you don't work with
Speaker 3: their hands anymore. I mean, oh, I see likes I
Speaker 3: go in front of people. I mean these day and age.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how your market. I don't
Speaker 3: know your thing, but I can't taught you imagine that nowadays?
Speaker 3: You know it should be way more accepted by now.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I would hate to screw.
Speaker 3: Is there anyone that you can think of and you're
Speaker 3: in not your department.
Speaker 1: But tattoos on their hands.
Speaker 3: Or anything that shows tattoos?
Speaker 1: No, No, okay, I can't think most of the guys
Speaker 1: except for me and Square. They're in my boss where
Speaker 1: they're all older, older men, older women.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, well that could Now that probably
Speaker 3: means even less likely, right that they'd be cool with it.
Speaker 3: I mean they're so old school. I hate I want
Speaker 3: all old people.
Speaker 1: I could always try to be like, but it's my
Speaker 1: right hand, Like if I'm writing.
Speaker 3: Like, enough with that, Jen, can we just get came?
Speaker 3: They stop being in charge for once. It's been too long.
Speaker 3: I know they're fucking old. Week go to hospice, man,
Speaker 3: what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I hate? I can't suck up this job.
Speaker 3: No, no, I know I'm not. But it's still cool.
Speaker 1: I think it would be.
Speaker 3: But like if you get a chance, something happens or
Speaker 3: they all die off, fucking do it.
Speaker 1: Like they're all coming down like some of the technacles.
Speaker 3: It's really cool. I can already imagine it. But like,
Speaker 3: havn't want to wrap around you're so cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, they're very.
Speaker 3: Because they have that ability.
Speaker 1: They do that. Imagine wrapping it actually around your finger.
Speaker 1: It's very rare that you see tattoos here. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know entirely. Now you know Katie and Tyl you're talking
Speaker 1: about get a matching tattoo.
Speaker 3: Like mother's daughter tattoo, Like, what's happening? What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: It's my little girl?
Speaker 3: Like tatoos, they're not for heathens anymore. For everybody used
Speaker 3: to be this big. Oh yeah, that's my point, you know. Okay,
Speaker 3: Well that's you can't say that. You can't stop the
Speaker 3: rush of time there. But I understand that feeling, like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't really understand. I don't have no kids,
Speaker 3: but I get where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday we just picked out her college classes. Like
Speaker 1: what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 3: Criminal stuff?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? For now?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I mean she could Yeah totally.
Speaker 1: I mean I did. I'm sure you did. Change.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I wanted to minor in philosophy. Yeah, fucking
Speaker 3: thought match it almost did.
Speaker 1: I think every I think everybody, I think, every person
Speaker 1: I know changed. Well.
Speaker 3: I always wanted to do films. I just want to.
Speaker 3: I wanted to have philosophy to you know, gain perspective
Speaker 3: and stuff, and unfortunately it led me to.
Speaker 1: Hate the world. Well that backfired.
Speaker 3: I mean, when I was very depressing times, I've been
Speaker 3: recommending CAMU to people like CAMU will help you with
Speaker 3: the shift perspective. He's really good when it comes to
Speaker 3: bad times.
Speaker 1: Is a person.
Speaker 3: Camu is a philosopher. Oh French, I think.
Speaker 1: Like Engin d Prottin, you didn't like it.
Speaker 3: Uh no, it wasn't my it wasn't my thing really,
Speaker 3: but I can I can see the addiction. I can
Speaker 3: see how you it would gravitate you like a moth
Speaker 3: to a flame. I do think it's gonna spoil your
Speaker 3: doom the more you watch. I really thought it's literally
Speaker 3: meant not for everyone. It's like literally meant for like
Speaker 3: a key amount of people, like a subset of of population.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking some of the stuff you turn,
Speaker 1: like key Line.
Speaker 3: Pie or something. I also like it, but I was
Speaker 3: trying to think of a fine pumpkin pie.
Speaker 1: Like Nightwish or like this's just the weird music I've
Speaker 1: heard you listen to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like I love I Wish still my number
Speaker 3: one by product. This would be like you're right, but
Speaker 3: they're not similar. They're just both niche Yeah, differently, these.
Speaker 1: Were like experimental or something, you know. That's but anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm totally into Katie's and I.
Speaker 3: Could see, you know, it's just so expected every time
Speaker 3: I come over that fucking band with the polka dots everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's wild. It's so wild. Yeah, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: people are really into it because it's what they're saying.
Speaker 1: It's like a huge like fuck you to AI and
Speaker 1: AI slop and like, this is purely human. This is
Speaker 1: this will this will always be human. They won't be AI.
Speaker 1: This could be a creativity.
Speaker 3: I mean, they could be. I wonder if five hundred
Speaker 3: years from while, they'll write this time period as a
Speaker 3: sort of a whatever renaissance there is that they would
Speaker 3: be like a snapping stone in that, like they helped,
Speaker 3: you know, because be that at the right time, at
Speaker 3: the right place, right in history, you could make it right.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's them and AI.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, because I that's how I started
Speaker 1: talking to Jokes. I forwarded to him. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you gotta check this out. And he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard of this stuff. He's like, dude, that because
Speaker 1: it's called monotonal mathrock is what it's called monotonal mathrock.
Speaker 1: And he's like, dude, that shit's been around forever. I
Speaker 1: don't know why it's getting big all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's like tool of Perfect Circle like all these bands.
Speaker 1: He's so apparently this type of music has been around
Speaker 1: before that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been Yeah, I'm not saying every sound is
Speaker 3: you know, been copy pasted throughout history. We can make
Speaker 3: new sound, but like this type of percent I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure I have heard already here and there randomly math rock. Yeah.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, you know what first got
Speaker 3: me into it was an episode of House. Remember that show? Yeah,
Speaker 3: he there's an episode. I don't know why I remember
Speaker 3: this so vividly. Whatever, shut up, don't shut up. There's
Speaker 3: an episode where Jeremy Renner when he was younger and
Speaker 3: before Avengures, he was a guest star and he was
Speaker 3: a rocker, a punk rocker, and he you know, every
Speaker 3: cold open of episode is with it's with the victim
Speaker 3: or whatever and they fall ill or whatever, and he's
Speaker 3: in the bank, you know whatever, and it shows throughout
Speaker 3: the episode like House listening to his music, and they
Speaker 3: show some of that music in the in the episode
Speaker 3: and it makes no sense. It's a total nonsense. It's
Speaker 3: it sounds like a nightmare, right, It's sounds insane, and
Speaker 3: he and then his house like first hates it and
Speaker 3: he's listening to it, like a few episodes scenes later,
Speaker 3: like this is crazy. There isn't a single repetitive, petitive
Speaker 3: chord in here. He has unique chords every step of
Speaker 3: the way in the song. How does he do that?
Speaker 3: Like he becomes like enamored by the mathematical genius of
Speaker 3: his of his and that's just a shitty show. That's
Speaker 3: someone wrote, you know.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you know, and this was Jeremy Renner
Speaker 1: playing the person. So that's weird that it was not
Speaker 1: a total stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's what he called it, but
Speaker 3: he said something like something weird, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. The other strange part is that the other
Speaker 1: day Katie, last weekend or the weekend before we went out,
Speaker 1: and we were driving home, She's like, I want you
Speaker 1: to hear something. I was listening to like whatever on Spotify.
Speaker 1: She's like, I want you to hear something. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, Jeremy Renner. He's a singer, he has a band,
Speaker 1: and she let me listen to House of the Rising Sun.
Speaker 1: I hated it, of course.
Speaker 3: I mean she can't beat the animals, man, right, I
Speaker 3: don't know if they're the original, but they're the best.
Speaker 1: I think they are. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: But he's got a whole bunch of he's got a band,
Speaker 1: but it's like southern rock kind of.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, very few actors can transition. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 3: like it's easier for a music artist to transition to
Speaker 3: film than it is for a.
Speaker 1: I can see that. The other person I was surprised
Speaker 1: too was oh and she was fucking awful too.
Speaker 3: Oh god, who is m Maggie Jones.
Speaker 1: She's like late nineties or even maybe even mid early
Speaker 1: mid two thousand. Who was it? It's on the tip
Speaker 1: of my tongue. Man, and she was awful. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: should have stucked being an actress. But anyway, that.
Speaker 3: Reminds Zoey Deschanel is my one of my favorite examples
Speaker 3: because she's singing she started off that way. Oh really,
Speaker 3: her band is great. I mean, it's probably not your flavor.
Speaker 3: It's very like Sacharan, kind of sympathetic, kind of love
Speaker 3: story stuff. But I listened to the first three albums.
Speaker 3: I haven't caught up to anything new. Shit they did
Speaker 3: Christmas Ravel. It's called Her and Him or she and
Speaker 3: Him something like that. It's called like that because there's
Speaker 3: only two people in the band. And then she started
Speaker 3: that way and she blew it up big and everyone
Speaker 3: sees her only as an actress, but she started as
Speaker 3: a singer.
Speaker 1: No idea, that's great.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she did start it that way and
Speaker 3: I listened to her. Yeah, it's really brilliant. I mean
Speaker 3: she has a melancholic too nice not like crazy, but
Speaker 3: like it's good. Wow.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the one that everyone says is a huge bitch?
Speaker 1: Is that Zoey Deschanel.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think everyone who's fucking bitch?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Bryce, Bryce Dallas Howard.
Speaker 3: I heard she's I heard about that, but I haven't
Speaker 3: heard anything about I don't know abut Zoey, though she's
Speaker 3: been out of the limelight too lately, so maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I think it was the other one.
Speaker 3: But well, I said, Howard's like a, it's like a.
Speaker 3: It's like the Taylor Park version of Jessica Chestain.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, she is, and I'm not sorry.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the one hundred and seventy sixth episode of
Speaker 1: the Supernatural Current Studies podcast.
Speaker 3: So so you know, paranormal.
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Speaker 3: No, it was a joke. I did that time.
Speaker 1: Let's just say, first time in ten years. You didn't
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Speaker 3: It was a joke. That was a thing stuttering the choice.
Speaker 1: Uh. That is Oscar Spector Producer extraordinaire. I'm Jason Knight,
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Speaker 3: I don't know how I guess.
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Speaker 3: To should have a vamp until I come back.
Speaker 1: We should just start over. No, how have you been
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