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Speaker 9: Hello, folks, welcome to their episode of Bigfoot Beyond with
Speaker 9: Cliff and Bubo on this weekend. It's just with Bobo.
Speaker 9: Cliff couldn't make it, And tonight we got a guest
Speaker 9: we've been wanting to have on for a while, so
Speaker 9: tonight we have Dean Harrison from Australia and Yawe Research.
Speaker 9: A lot of you know who he is. He's uh,
Speaker 9: He's the godfather of Yai Research. The Yahi is the
Speaker 9: big Foot of Australia basically. And I've known Deean for
Speaker 9: almost twenty years now. I've I've been him online. They
Speaker 9: never met in person yet we used to be in contact.
Speaker 9: I hadn't talked to him quite a while, but I've
Speaker 9: always followed his web page Jawi hunters dot com. It's
Speaker 9: definitely one of the best. They got the great follow
Speaker 9: up reports. They have auto reports, they interviewed the witnesses,
Speaker 9: they put up videos with it. You can go on
Speaker 9: YouTube and see what they're talking about and see the countryside.
Speaker 9: It's really great. So Dean, thanks for joining us tonight
Speaker 9: from down Under.
Speaker 10: Nice speaking with you again. Bobo.
Speaker 11: Well, finding Bigfoot Australia twenty twelve, is that right?
Speaker 9: That sounds yeah, probably twenty twenty thirteen, something like that.
Speaker 11: It's like nine years ago already. Yeah, all these broken
Speaker 11: hearted women you left behind, all these little eight year
Speaker 11: old bobos running down in Australia.
Speaker 10: Boy bobos, girl bobos, big mups.
Speaker 9: Of hair, trooling, stumbling around.
Speaker 11: Ducking low and slow. What was the highlight of your
Speaker 11: trip when you came out here.
Speaker 9: Oh, definitely when we were up in up our year
Speaker 9: zone above a surface paradise. We had that interaction that
Speaker 9: night with there's a couple of them there. They are
Speaker 9: clapping and knocking and doing their thing. You know, we're
Speaker 9: really surprised us similar was like just having bigfoots around.
Speaker 11: Right, Yeah, yeah, Well, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 11: a lot of similarities.
Speaker 10: I think we may have a.
Speaker 11: Few more different species here than you do over in America,
Speaker 11: but the big ones in general, I mean they're pretty
Speaker 11: similar in descriptions, what people are explaining, what the witnesses
Speaker 11: are saying, or what we've seen ourselves.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you guys got the brown jacks. On those guys
Speaker 9: then the originals. I was with there, scared of death
Speaker 9: of those things.
Speaker 10: Yeah, the little ones.
Speaker 11: There's a lot of different names for them in the
Speaker 11: Aboriginal dialect, depending on which tribe and where you lived
Speaker 11: in the country. Dingjarti is the main name, or the
Speaker 11: adaptation brown jack, as you correctly said, and they're sort
Speaker 11: of known to be probably the I think one word
Speaker 11: that keeps coming up is trickster. They're the ones that
Speaker 11: get up to all sorts of prey and do funny
Speaker 11: little things, jumping on people's rooms and whatnot. The big
Speaker 11: ones that I seen had that sort of sense of humor.
Speaker 11: Is they're sort of more of the business end, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah. They took me to the spot. We went went
Speaker 9: to a national park behind Kira for the name of it.
Speaker 9: What's that famous with other the statues and all that Ki, Yeah, Killkoy.
Speaker 9: We were out I think north of that. We're at
Speaker 9: a parking and the Aboriginal guys took me out there,
Speaker 9: and they took me to a spot where they had
Speaker 9: been attacked by a group of brown jacks. Well not
Speaker 9: really attacked basically, but they kept swinging over their heads,
Speaker 9: like swinging on vines and stuff and dropping down on branches,
Speaker 9: and stole their sunglasses off there, you know, that had
Speaker 9: around their necks or on top of their heads, stole
Speaker 9: their sunglasses, stole their hats. They're just smacking them on
Speaker 9: the heads and screaming at them. And these guys are
Speaker 9: running full tilt down this riverbed, and these things are
Speaker 9: just coming down swooping them and screaming and cracking them
Speaker 9: on the heads and not hurting them bad, but just
Speaker 9: you drove them out of there pretty good.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 11: Well, that's pretty much along the lines of what I
Speaker 11: said then, being the practice getting up to all sort
Speaker 11: of high jinks, so to speak, doing all that sort
Speaker 11: of all that sort of behavior. I think, you know,
Speaker 11: if you have a run in with one of these,
Speaker 11: you might have.
Speaker 10: A couple of tales to tell afterwards.
Speaker 11: If you run into one of the big ones on
Speaker 11: a bad day, you might not pee around it to
Speaker 11: tell that tale.
Speaker 9: They seemed to be a more aggressive done it. I mean,
Speaker 9: I remember talking to you a long TIMEO. There was
Speaker 9: that one about the there was a snaper team out
Speaker 9: there or something like that, and didn't two of the guys,
Speaker 9: two of the guys go, they survive it. A couple
Speaker 9: of construction workers were missing off the road that was
Speaker 9: right near there, the training grounds right well.
Speaker 11: That that was getting back into my second, my second encounter,
Speaker 11: which was is life changing really, I mean, my first
Speaker 11: one was back twenty six years ago, that long ago.
Speaker 10: I was just thinking about that this morning. I thinking, wow, wow,
Speaker 10: I have been around for a while.
Speaker 11: Back in the days when John Green, Reneeda Hinden, Bobby Short,
Speaker 11: Art Bellot been on his show, Lloyd Pye, my dear friend,
Speaker 11: Bill Ribble, the Pest from the West, Eric Betjeorde, he
Speaker 11: was still my god. To have some stories about that man,
Speaker 11: don't we all? Gc He got up to no good,
Speaker 11: didn't he. These days we've got Joe b Lart from
Speaker 11: Friend Zone, Henry my dear friend, Henry, Bobby Hamilton, Moneymaker yourselves.
Speaker 11: But back then, it was like twenty six years ago
Speaker 11: and I had one in my backyard and that was
Speaker 11: a real eye opener. It's eleven o'clock at night and bipedle,
Speaker 11: which rules out most of the native Australian animal's massive
Speaker 11: vocal capacity far beyond ours and co while as yeah,
Speaker 11: they can make you some pretty savage.
Speaker 10: Noises, but not like this.
Speaker 11: This was different, and it had hands. It was picking up, well,
Speaker 11: pulling out foliage from the ground in the swamp behind
Speaker 11: my head us at the time, and.
Speaker 10: Throwing it through through the forest.
Speaker 11: It was displaying emotion and anger and all that sort
Speaker 11: of things, you know, Era four h four file I'm
Speaker 11: not found. That was no native Australian animal, but Almo,
Speaker 11: which is one you were referring to just earlier. That
Speaker 11: was the really bad one that had caused all sorts
Speaker 11: of strife around the area. And we ended up having
Speaker 11: to get the SAS guys out there, the.
Speaker 10: Military guys, a couple of military guys.
Speaker 11: Because I knew that it was only by fortune that
Speaker 11: night that I survived. It was only because I changed
Speaker 11: my plans at the last minute that I survived. This
Speaker 11: thing meant business, there's no question about that, and it
Speaker 11: had bad, bad intentions. So we ended up sending these
Speaker 11: guys well, I mean, there's quite a long story to
Speaker 11: get to this point.
Speaker 10: To two thousand and three.
Speaker 11: I mean it started for me in nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 11: when I had my run in with him again about
Speaker 11: eleven o'clock at night. I was going for a jog
Speaker 11: trying to listen. Wait, I'd stopped on the edge of
Speaker 11: this bush track instead of running down it, thank god,
Speaker 11: and I made a phone call instead on the phone
Speaker 11: bush to the back the bush was behind me. To
Speaker 11: the front of me was a moon paddock, so to speak.
Speaker 11: It was with high voltage power lines up to a
Speaker 11: road with a street light. To my left is bush
Speaker 11: verging around heading up towards that road. At one stage,
Speaker 11: just cutting a long story short, I was aware that
Speaker 11: I was being stalked by something person's unknown.
Speaker 10: I was fit, I was boxing at the time. I
Speaker 10: had no reason to fear.
Speaker 11: Anybody in my mind, and I thought I'd let this
Speaker 11: person get as close to me as they wanted, and
Speaker 11: I just thought they were listening in on the conversation.
Speaker 11: So it started off with crashing and smashing coming through
Speaker 11: the bush at a distance, and then when this thing
Speaker 11: had heard me, then it turned into stealth mode and
Speaker 11: you could hear a tweet every so often cracking underneath
Speaker 11: the foot, but it was getting closer, and every time
Speaker 11: it made a noise, it would stop, deliberately stop. So
Speaker 11: it was a thinker, and you would just let the
Speaker 11: air go by. No time passed, and then the next step,
Speaker 11: and then you could hear the foliage slowly being parted
Speaker 11: and something pushing its way through, and then the next
Speaker 11: crackle it would stop again, And so then I was
Speaker 11: aware that it was right up behind me and out
Speaker 11: of nowhere, which is so hard to explain but explained
Speaker 11: to me regularly from witnesses the interview, I just got
Speaker 11: that nameless dread that comes over you for no apparent reason.
Speaker 11: This is where you feel like a rabbit in the spotlight,
Speaker 11: in the headlights, and you were frozen, stiff, you just
Speaker 11: cannot move, your body's locked. And at the time I
Speaker 11: was trying to rationalize in my mind what was going on,
Speaker 11: Why I was feeling like this, why my body was
Speaker 11: reacting in such a way, And I knew something was wrong.
Speaker 11: It was just that sixth sense. You just knew something
Speaker 11: was right. So suddenly this person verb commas by me.
Speaker 11: Is it a person?
Speaker 10: What is it?
Speaker 11: And i'd I did want to make eye contact for
Speaker 11: some reason. I said this knowingness that if I made
Speaker 11: eye contact direct eye contact, things are going to get
Speaker 11: exponentially worse. So the best I could do, the best
Speaker 11: I could do was to turn my head a little
Speaker 11: bit and turn my eyes just to see this massive
Speaker 11: silhouette standing there in the bush, probably about eight feet
Speaker 11: or so tall. I just knew I was I just
Speaker 11: knew I was in trouble. I knew exactly what it
Speaker 11: was at that stage. I wasn't into the whole yow
Speaker 11: we thing, far from it. But this thing came to me,
Speaker 11: and so I knew I had to move. So I
Speaker 11: counted into my head to three. I said one, two, three,
Speaker 11: move your foot. So I basically had to movement. I
Speaker 11: had to move my shoulders, to move my hip, to
Speaker 11: move my leg, to move my but at the moment
Speaker 11: my foot left the ground came out. This thing roared
Speaker 11: like a lion, like a lion, and it was very,
Speaker 11: very similar to the one two years prior when I
Speaker 11: was living up by the mountain and all the dogs
Speaker 11: and all the acreages are all going wild, and this
Speaker 11: thing takes off after me. Eye was running and anyway
Speaker 11: a big long chase, and was yelling and screening and
Speaker 11: repelling itself through the trees, so you're grasping onto them.
Speaker 11: You hear the trees and you're smashing through the trees,
Speaker 11: and you hear them jump over the logs, and when
Speaker 11: you landed, the diaphragm would bounce on each steper bill.
Speaker 11: On top of that would be the yelling and screening,
Speaker 11: and it was just so angry, emotion, anger, and it
Speaker 11: wanted me. The only thing that saved me was that
Speaker 11: I was on an open field heading up towards a
Speaker 11: street light. And as you and I both know, they
Speaker 11: won't go out, they won't bench it out into that
Speaker 11: to expose themselves. So he just took the bush line
Speaker 11: pretty much to my left, and before I knew it,
Speaker 11: I mean, he's running three times my speed through thick,
Speaker 11: dense scrub and I was on a mown field not
Speaker 11: too far away from him, and he's running right next
Speaker 11: to me. It was at that point I've gone, that's it.
Speaker 11: This is it, this is the end of my life.
Speaker 11: It's all over. There was nothing I could possibly do
Speaker 11: to save defend. It wouldn't have mattered what sort of weapon,
Speaker 11: hand hold weapon other than a gun that I had.
Speaker 11: It would have been futile against something that was just
Speaker 11: so powerful.
Speaker 10: And I've basically just given up. This is it. I
Speaker 10: may as well just throw my hands in the air,
Speaker 10: so they.
Speaker 9: Just take me.
Speaker 11: There's no escape. And then it starts to run ahead
Speaker 11: of me, and what's it doing now? And then I
Speaker 11: realized he's going to cut me off. He's getting up
Speaker 11: a head so he can get out, and so I've
Speaker 11: realized this. I turned to my right. He's lunged out.
Speaker 11: I was far away enough for him to give up,
Speaker 11: turn around, walk back to the foliage. I was under
Speaker 11: the street light by this stage. He's squats and he's
Speaker 11: watching me. Got that one out of the way, So
Speaker 11: then we can go on to all the other stories. Well,
Speaker 11: I won't get into all of them. But it came
Speaker 11: to a point where this thing was causing so much
Speaker 11: trouble for so many people, and we believe that he
Speaker 11: may have taken a worker. It was in the same
Speaker 11: month that I was nearly attacked. This guy went missing,
Speaker 11: only a stone throwaway, right on dusk, and no one
Speaker 11: can explain what happened to him. He got dropped off
Speaker 11: by workmates on side of this dirt road. The bush
Speaker 11: was all very thick back then, and someone was going
Speaker 11: to come and pick him up. Friends, and someone was
Speaker 11: going to pick him up sometime later, and they turned up.
Speaker 11: His gear was there, but he was gone, and they
Speaker 11: never found him since. So then all these other things happened.
Speaker 11: I don't want to buoy you and your audience with
Speaker 11: the rest of the history of this particular bad guy,
Speaker 11: but it came to the point where the SAS guys
Speaker 11: I had to bring them in. I had contacts with
Speaker 11: them because at the time I was trading information with
Speaker 11: the military. They were running into them during military operations,
Speaker 11: as I'm sure they would go over in your country
Speaker 11: as well. And so I got in pretty well with
Speaker 11: these guys, and they said, well, what would you like
Speaker 11: us to do.
Speaker 10: I said, well, I'd like you to go and have
Speaker 10: a word with it, so to speak.
Speaker 11: I really believe that if he hasn't taken anyone's life
Speaker 11: by now, he will, And you know, for a lot
Speaker 11: of the missing people in the area could be contributed
Speaker 11: to him, and I was nearly one. So they went
Speaker 11: out there and they set up a sniping situation.
Speaker 10: They had they played the loan camper.
Speaker 11: I don't know whether you guys play that over there,
Speaker 11: you have the loan camper pretending. So they did that scenario.
Speaker 11: Up above the loan camper was a sniping position, and
Speaker 11: these guys had throat mics, they had side arms, long arms,
Speaker 11: they had rattle traps and flashbangs. Then they're all they
Speaker 11: like they're triggered by trip wires. First night, nothing to report.
Speaker 11: Second night, I think it began at about nine o'clock
Speaker 11: hearing some noises down in the valley, and it escalated
Speaker 11: by eleven o'clock. And in the night vision, the sniping
Speaker 11: guy radio is down below and says, hey, I've got
Speaker 11: something here.
Speaker 10: He's seen you.
Speaker 11: He's moving towards you, and I think that was it.
Speaker 10: It's about one hundred yards or so. And when it
Speaker 10: got to about the sixty yard.
Speaker 11: Mark, the guy below he was getting really nervous and.
Speaker 10: He said, well, I want you to do something about this.
Speaker 11: But this and he says it's okay. He's coming right
Speaker 11: up to the flashbank now. So as he goes up
Speaker 11: to the flash bang, this is pitch darkness, tread canopy,
Speaker 11: no light, and a black thin wire. This thing goes
Speaker 11: right up beside the tree and what was to do?
Speaker 11: It looks down and see the wire. My military contact said,
Speaker 11: that is impossible, physically impossible. You cannot see that in
Speaker 11: that sort of light. You'd be struggling to see that
Speaker 11: during the day, he said, he said, but it stopped.
Speaker 11: It looked down and it examined the wire and then
Speaker 11: walked around the other side of the tree. And then
Speaker 11: as it's getting up close, the guy blow said enough's enough, go,
Speaker 11: go go. So this guy has opened up with one
Speaker 11: round and it just misses his left shoulder.
Speaker 10: It impacts the tree beside him, and this thing rose.
Speaker 11: It turns round and it runs straight through the flashbag
Speaker 11: lights up the whole area, which shut the night vision down,
Speaker 11: of course, and they're they're blind, and he's run back down,
Speaker 11: but he stopped and he's come back round again. And
Speaker 11: this said that. These guys both said he was relentless.
Speaker 11: He just kept going at it. So they ended up
Speaker 11: emptying the entire magazine. The long arm at him, and
Speaker 11: this thing rushed down into the valley and they chased
Speaker 11: him the side arms, and I got the full report
Speaker 11: one week later. A colleague of mine, Nigel Francis, he
Speaker 11: went to the area unbeknown that this has gone on
Speaker 11: because all this is top secret.
Speaker 10: At the time, I wasn't allowing to tell anybody about
Speaker 10: any of this.
Speaker 11: And he knew of the area because I had told
Speaker 11: him about the previous experience, so.
Speaker 10: He'd gone there for himself.
Speaker 11: And he phones me from locations do you know anything
Speaker 11: that has happened here in the last few days? And
Speaker 11: I had to keep quiet. I couldn't say anything. He said, why,
Speaker 11: He said, because there's bullet holes in the trees, and
Speaker 11: he said the whole area has been raped. It's been sanitized.
Speaker 11: And that's exactly what was written in my report, how
Speaker 11: they sanitized the area before they left. So that was
Speaker 11: my confirmation.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I actually saw your spot or you had your uh,
Speaker 9: your encounter in nineteen ninety seven, that one where you
Speaker 9: were running my buddy when I was up there, tick me,
Speaker 9: he goes, this is where Dean had a spot. Took
Speaker 9: me right to that. I saw the street light and everything,
Speaker 9: and that's where the sas guys and for those listening
Speaker 9: home essays is basically your guys's Navy seals or Green berets.
Speaker 9: That's correct, Yeah, that was that was that was hear
Speaker 9: that spot hunts where the sas set up.
Speaker 10: That's right. Yes, So I wasn't aware that you actually
Speaker 10: went to the location.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, we were going to meet up with you,
Speaker 9: and then we ended up switching our whole filming schedule
Speaker 9: around and they're going up to Fingle and up not
Speaker 9: all zone were originally we started off down south, but
Speaker 9: we were meeting up with the Rex Gilroy, but he
Speaker 9: was in pretty bad shape. Yeah, that's that's interesting that
Speaker 9: you had all that stuff going down, and that's okay,
Speaker 9: you know it. But you guys, this year, you guys
Speaker 9: had that thermal video. That's just awesome. I mean I
Speaker 9: posted that, I was comment with people on my page
Speaker 9: and they got a lot of good feedback. I mean,
Speaker 9: I think, you guys, that's probably the best thermal clip
Speaker 9: ever gotten.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I'll tell you it is an absolute game
Speaker 11: changer having this new technology back in the day. As
Speaker 11: you know, you hear a noise, and this is like,
Speaker 11: if you can consider yourself a researcher, as.
Speaker 10: Many of these people do, a lot of these kids,
Speaker 10: they all go out of the bush.
Speaker 11: And if you're in that situation, with that mindset that
Speaker 11: you're a researcher and you're going out for this specific
Speaker 11: reason to look for bigfoot and have an encounter, there's
Speaker 11: a pretty good chance your mind will be clouded or
Speaker 11: your reality would be clouded, and every noise you hear
Speaker 11: you'll attribute to a bigfoot. As you know, but now
Speaker 11: this just takes in all the guesswork out out of
Speaker 11: each noise that you hear. Nothing can hide really from
Speaker 11: a thermal camera. You can be behind a lot of
Speaker 11: thick foliage it'll still pick you up, or you can
Speaker 11: be in a tent for that and it'll still see you.
Speaker 9: So this was just there.
Speaker 10: I mean, we've had a lot of success over the
Speaker 10: last nine months with these cameras, but that that was
Speaker 10: the kicker. That was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 9: Which models you're new and I saw you guys have
Speaker 9: like an old scout.
Speaker 10: Well, originally I had a Flur.
Speaker 11: It was a hate series Flur and in Australian dollars
Speaker 11: that cost me nearly ten grand, and that's back when
Speaker 11: our doll was pretty much parody the same the same
Speaker 11: dollars and cents. This is a new model. It's out
Speaker 11: of China, which most things are these days. It's a guide,
Speaker 11: so that's the brand name as a guide. It's a
Speaker 11: guide IR fifty and in Australian dollars you're looking at
Speaker 11: about three and a half grand each and I bought five.
Speaker 11: And yeah, So the backstory of this was Springbrook. It's
Speaker 11: on the Gold Coast hinterland and it's renowned for Yawi activity,
Speaker 11: Yawi sightings, and the first reports came out in the
Speaker 11: seventies in the newspapers and.
Speaker 10: Since then it's really really escalated.
Speaker 11: So i'd spent a lot of time there since the
Speaker 11: late nineties, and you get to recognize a lot of
Speaker 11: the different signs, and we believe different clans they have
Speaker 11: different signs in different areas, different things, little things that
Speaker 11: they do. And this particular group they use sticks and
Speaker 11: they'll do symbols, all types of symbols, whether the symbol
Speaker 11: be a TP or something up against a tree, the
Speaker 11: X markers, all the usuals, but they also do they'll
Speaker 11: do symbols on the ground, so you might find a
Speaker 11: stick broken into a triangle, you might have breaken different
Speaker 11: other sorts of shapes and or crossed over each other,
Speaker 11: and now all this sort of thing, so you get
Speaker 11: to know what to look for in certain areas. And
Speaker 11: being active in this area myself for so long, a
Speaker 11: bit of an expert. And this one particular day, we'd
Speaker 11: hyped up the hill, myself and Gary Lynn and Jacob
Speaker 11: Fellows and.
Speaker 10: We've gone up this really steep incline.
Speaker 11: It was unhospitable, it's almost like climbing a ladder for
Speaker 11: about two hours to get to the top of this mountain.
Speaker 11: And the moment we got to the top, we found
Speaker 11: a track which was totally unexpected and within seconds here
Speaker 11: with the signs, we worked walked further and there was
Speaker 11: more and more and more, and they were basically screaming out,
Speaker 11: we are here. That's what they were saying, we are here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you guys had a bunch of in front of
Speaker 9: those little sticks stuck in the ground. You know, I
Speaker 9: just assumed they only do that when the ground's real muddy.
Speaker 9: They're just sticking it when it's wet and then let
Speaker 9: it try like that.
Speaker 11: The climate here varies the I mean, you can walk
Speaker 11: one hundred yards on one of the tracks in Springbrook.
Speaker 11: This is natural forest. There's rainforest in the areas. It's
Speaker 11: Australiano type gum tree in others. But you can walk
Speaker 11: one hundred yards and you can go from muddy to
Speaker 11: medium to completely dry and then back again. So that
Speaker 11: sort of terrain and it didn't matter how hard. And
Speaker 11: some of our guys are pretty big. Gary Lind's a
Speaker 11: big man. And if he tries to spear one of
Speaker 11: these into the ground using all these force and he
Speaker 11: can't do it, then that says something you didn't Well,
Speaker 11: what it says basically is it didn't fall from a
Speaker 11: tree and do it itself. Yeah, so I mean that
Speaker 11: does happen, Yes, but this is different. This is different,
Speaker 11: and they were all situated in away a position that
Speaker 11: it was peculiar. So with that, I've said they are here.
Speaker 11: They're saying they're here. We need this is where we
Speaker 11: need to be. We need to be here now. So
Speaker 11: we had to find another way in because it's not
Speaker 11: like we've got a haul all our gear all the
Speaker 11: way up that mountain like we did. I mean that
Speaker 11: was that was soul destroying getting up that mountain. So
Speaker 11: you can imagine, you know, a couple hundred pounds worth
Speaker 11: of equipment. So we ended up finding another way on
Speaker 11: another day. About two days later we returned. We found
Speaker 11: another way in, and in that weekend we set up Buckingham.
Speaker 11: He had never used one of the new thermals before
Speaker 11: and it was about eleven o'clock at night and there
Speaker 11: was one sitting on our table. We had our camp
Speaker 11: set up, We had hammocks. We had to have hammocks
Speaker 11: because of the leeches. The leeches were everywhere wherever you look,
Speaker 11: those leeches, those leeches, and there's ticks and all sorts
Speaker 11: of things. So we had to get off the ground.
Speaker 11: And it's literally a swarm of leeches is incredible. So
Speaker 11: Buckingham had picked up one of the thermals. He got
Speaker 11: a quick lesson from Gary Lynn and he said, I'm
Speaker 11: just going to walk off and have a play. So
Speaker 11: off he went. He probably went about one hundred yards
Speaker 11: one hundred and fifty yards away, SAIDs pitch darkness again,
Speaker 11: tread canopy, mountainous terrain, and I think about twenty minutes
Speaker 11: later we get a radio fee. We're all wearing your
Speaker 11: ear mics because we've got radio silence. We don't use
Speaker 11: white light out there either, Bobo, which you think that's wrong.
Speaker 11: We used red light because it doesn't carry through the
Speaker 11: bush and it's not impacting and it's not intimidating. So
Speaker 11: we had redhead torches, we had ear ear mics, and
Speaker 11: Buck Radio back and said, hey, I've got something here
Speaker 11: and it's looking at me now. Me being around for
Speaker 11: a long time, you get a little bit skeptical. You
Speaker 11: hear a lot of things, and a lot of people say,
Speaker 11: oh I've got something in years.
Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, I'll believe when I say it.
Speaker 11: Then we didn't hear anything for another twenty minutes, and
Speaker 11: then Buck Radio is back again and says I have
Speaker 11: two of them in front of me right now. And
Speaker 11: Gary got on the radio and said, would you light
Speaker 11: some backup? Do you want me to come over? And
Speaker 11: Buck said yes please, So Gary heads off all lights off,
Speaker 11: of course, and he's making his way through the dark,
Speaker 11: closer and closer to Buck, and Buck's obviously also in
Speaker 11: total darkness stealth. And as Buck is getting as Gary
Speaker 11: is getting closer to Buck, these two look up, they
Speaker 11: see him, and they turn and they leave. Now, when
Speaker 11: they got back to camp, Buck told us the entire story,
Speaker 11: and Gary threw it over onto his iPhone so we
Speaker 11: could watch it. I mean, this is how good these
Speaker 11: at these cameras are. You can just wi fi it
Speaker 11: straight over to it like the largest screen so everyone
Speaker 11: could watch. And I was staggered, absolutely amazed at this footage.
Speaker 11: I mean, you know, it took a long time to
Speaker 11: get there, but we got there.
Speaker 10: Here's the footage.
Speaker 11: Here it is, And yes, absolutely the fascinating thing is that,
Speaker 11: I mean, Buck was reasonably close.
Speaker 10: But he said they made.
Speaker 11: No noise as they entered, and they made no noise
Speaker 11: as they left. And this is pretty dry foliage underneath.
Speaker 9: All the times I've got glimpses. I never heard him first.
Speaker 9: It was always like surprised, you know, oh there it is.
Speaker 9: I never you know, I heard something and looked and
Speaker 9: there it was. There was always just looked up and
Speaker 9: there it was.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Well you've seen the footage, and the people who listen
Speaker 11: to your program will maybe they'll go and have a
Speaker 11: look as well. We have it on a homepage, So
Speaker 11: if you go to the year We hunters dot com homepage,
Speaker 11: we've got a few videos there, me talking in a
Speaker 11: couple of interviews, but the one the very top is
Speaker 11: the footage where we go back and we analyze it
Speaker 11: all and figure out how tall it is, et cetera.
Speaker 11: And some of the some of the images that Buck
Speaker 11: got that night.
Speaker 10: I mean, okay, those the two. I mean there's the two.
Speaker 10: There's there's the two.
Speaker 11: There's the one walks out and these things are like
Speaker 11: eight nine feet.
Speaker 10: Tall, right and built huge things.
Speaker 11: The first one he walks out, he bends over and
Speaker 11: he puts his long arm out, really long arm. It
Speaker 11: stretches all the way out as he's bent over and
Speaker 11: he picks something up.
Speaker 10: Now, the one.
Speaker 11: Behind him, he's watching his back. Now at this stage,
Speaker 11: I'm playing classical music on the speaker at base camp.
Speaker 11: So the one that's that's reached out, they both come
Speaker 11: out from behind a tree. The ones reached out, he's
Speaker 11: facing base camp, but the other one behind him.
Speaker 10: He's got that. They've got their backs to each other.
Speaker 11: The other one's watching his back while he's bending over
Speaker 11: picking things up. They had to have known, hum we're
Speaker 11: in the area because of the noise we were deliberately making.
Speaker 11: So he's picked something up and he turns around and
Speaker 11: he hands.
Speaker 10: It over the shoulder of the one behind him.
Speaker 11: Now you can't see the hand of the one behind
Speaker 11: him taking whatever it was. But then he turns around
Speaker 11: and he goes down again and he picks something else up,
Speaker 11: and he turns in and but because he's never used
Speaker 11: this camera before, and he's devastated to this day that
Speaker 11: he was going through all these settings trying to zoom
Speaker 11: in and out, but that's not how the camera works.
Speaker 11: So he's going to all different color settings and things.
Speaker 11: But not only that, he got footage of one hugging
Speaker 11: a tree and you can see that it's got arm
Speaker 11: around the tree. And this is what they do, particularly
Speaker 11: during the daytime. They'll pretend to be a tree. They'll blend.
Speaker 11: That's how they blend. So they'll put both arms around
Speaker 11: a tree between they're a part of a tree, or
Speaker 11: they'll have one arm around a tree, another hand out
Speaker 11: being a branch. And this is stuff that's been reported
Speaker 11: to us all the time, and even tightly autonomous standing
Speaker 11: out in the forest with both arms out. So we
Speaker 11: had some of that there, but then those some really
Speaker 11: speaky stuff there as well.
Speaker 8: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 8: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
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Speaker 9: That first in thege you're talking about, we had two
Speaker 9: eyes on it.
Speaker 10: That one that's the one. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's
Speaker 10: what I said.
Speaker 11: This is why natives of most countries, so you don't
Speaker 11: walk the bush alone at night.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I can sympathize with a black messing up,
Speaker 9: you know, hitting the wrong butt when you're oh my god,
Speaker 9: there it is. You know, you're trying to zoom oaer,
Speaker 9: zoom out. You're in color Parlotte. I mean, it's it's understandable,
Speaker 9: especially if you're new to it.
Speaker 11: And this was this is one that we're referring to.
Speaker 11: It was like a cloaked thing with these two big guys. Interestingly,
Speaker 11: about two weeks later, same location. All the dynamics of
Speaker 11: this location have totally changed. By the way, no stick,
Speaker 11: no sis, I haven't got back to my other point yet.
Speaker 11: Two weeks later everything had changed, and it was midnight ish.
Speaker 11: We walked from base down to this area that we
Speaker 11: call the crossroads, just a track. As we got to
Speaker 11: the crossroads, myself and Gary Lynn decided would walk back
Speaker 11: to base and grab a couple of fold up stools,
Speaker 11: just like little camping things. And so we'd walked off
Speaker 11: and we're about three quarters the way back and it's
Speaker 11: in a straight line line of sight and Buck was
Speaker 11: watching us on the thermal.
Speaker 10: I was in front of Gary, so you couldn't see me.
Speaker 10: All you could see was Gary.
Speaker 11: And suddenly we get a radio feed saying, has one
Speaker 11: of you walked into the bush?
Speaker 10: Negative? Are you sure neither of you have walked into
Speaker 10: the forest?
Speaker 9: Negative?
Speaker 10: Did you follow the path all the way back to base? Yes,
Speaker 10: we did. We're both here. Now you're sure you didn't know?
Speaker 10: We didn't.
Speaker 11: So what had happened is as we're walking and getting
Speaker 11: closer to base, from the left of us, behind us,
Speaker 11: something has walked out across the track, bipedally and into
Speaker 11: the bush on the other side. Now we didn't hear
Speaker 11: this happening behind us. Buck is absolutely one hundred percent
Speaker 11: and still talking about it two months later that he's
Speaker 11: kicking himself. He didn't hit the record button. He was
Speaker 11: just complacent because, I mean, he didn't think anything was
Speaker 11: going to happen.
Speaker 10: He was just simply watching us.
Speaker 11: But out comes this thing and the description of it
Speaker 11: exactly the same as that freaky thing in the start
Speaker 11: of our video. The other thing I just wanted to
Speaker 11: just quickly go back onto regarding the footage is the
Speaker 11: next morning after we'd Buck had taken this footage, I
Speaker 11: think we went.
Speaker 10: To bed at about two or three.
Speaker 11: We got up at five point thirty left by six
Speaker 11: as we're leaving.
Speaker 10: So there's a window of probably about three hours or so.
Speaker 11: I don't know something in that vicinity from where Buck
Speaker 11: was standing to the time we got up.
Speaker 10: We got up and here's all these markers across.
Speaker 11: The track where we were where he had taken that
Speaker 11: footage and we'd walked it. They were not there before.
Speaker 11: There was an ex marker. There's some crazy looking egyps thing.
Speaker 11: There's a big stick right in the in the center.
Speaker 11: There's oh, it's use saw the footage.
Speaker 9: Well, they've documented chimpanzees in Africa. They'll use sticks over
Speaker 9: that crosses and like deltas and like the top laying
Speaker 9: stick will indicate like which direction they went, and the
Speaker 9: other stick will be like which direction they came from.
Speaker 9: Like they've kind of deciphered what the meanings are. You know,
Speaker 9: it's real rudimentary. It's not like they're not writing novels.
Speaker 9: Whether they can I forget how many different directions they
Speaker 9: could identify or what they like. It meant there was
Speaker 9: no food this way, or there was food this way.
Speaker 9: They came from that way and there was food, And
Speaker 9: have you guys talk to me chimpanzee experts to see
Speaker 9: what they think about those stick structures.
Speaker 11: No, but that's really interesting that you say that, and
Speaker 11: I'll definitely be looking into that. That's fascinating. As you say,
Speaker 11: rudimentary and that's what you'd expect, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we see that here and a lot of people
Speaker 9: are not convinced, you know, that that's they're related to
Speaker 9: sasquatch or in your casey Aali. But I have no
Speaker 9: doubt in my mind that they're responsible for them. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, you know, a lot of it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 11: It shouldn't be there, and particularly in areas where you
Speaker 11: just date find humans and heck, why would they do
Speaker 11: it anyway?
Speaker 9: Right exactly.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean we're all we're all questioning what they
Speaker 11: mean and if we can break that code, and let's
Speaker 11: let's have a look at what these experts about the chimpanzee.
Speaker 10: So I'd like to see some of that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, it'd interesting to see any any comparisons that
Speaker 9: line up. So do you guys how we get a
Speaker 9: lot of scientists interested in the sasquatch phenomena in North America?
Speaker 9: What it seems like there's less academic acceptance down there
Speaker 9: with the II with the scientists and anthropologists on Is
Speaker 9: that the case.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a taboo subject. They're all too scared. We
Speaker 11: had one academic, one scientist, a professor who's sadly passed away.
Speaker 11: Now it's a good friend of mine, Helmet lives with
Speaker 11: sower in background, and he spent a lot of time
Speaker 11: researching this and he wasn't backwards in coming force.
Speaker 10: He did not care less.
Speaker 11: But I I deal with one academic at the moment.
Speaker 11: He's intoed the anthropology, paleontology, all that. He's very good,
Speaker 11: but he says, I cannot talk to my peers about this,
Speaker 11: he said, because that would pretty much be the end
Speaker 11: of my career. And that was a life changing experience
Speaker 11: for him. When he had his it wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 11: It was twenty seventeen and he was doing surveying work
Speaker 11: on the border of New South Wales and Queensland and
Speaker 11: he'd gone up well, he said, I go to areas
Speaker 11: that most people don't tread because of the surveying work,
Speaker 11: and he all do government studies for ancient aboriginal sites, etc.
Speaker 11: And get the legislation passed through parliament to protect the area, etc.
Speaker 11: So he had gone up through these cascades. He was
Speaker 11: at the top of these rangers and he looks to
Speaker 11: his right and here is this. Yeah, we bigfoot squatted down,
Speaker 11: looking directly forward, and he said it was like a statue.
Speaker 11: Wasn't moving, wasn't blinking, he was just staring like I
Speaker 11: am not here. I am not here. And he said,
Speaker 11: I had camera in my backpack. He said, I had
Speaker 11: my phone in my back pocket. Do you think I
Speaker 11: was thinking at that point, hey, let's take a photo.
Speaker 11: He said, you'd think someone from my background you would.
Speaker 11: But no, he said, that's the last thing.
Speaker 9: He said.
Speaker 10: Now I wanted to pease this thing. Say you don't
Speaker 10: want to be saying guess what. I can't see you either.
Speaker 10: You don't see me, I don't see you. And so
Speaker 10: he said, just very very.
Speaker 11: Carefully, he turned and he walked, and he walked very carefully,
Speaker 11: and when he got out of sight, he high tailed it.
Speaker 11: He said, I mean, it really did affect everything, as
Speaker 11: it does many of our witnesses, Like I say, it's
Speaker 11: a life changing encounter for it. For most people, they
Speaker 11: don't view the bush the forests the same way again
Speaker 11: after having well after knowing that one of these day
Speaker 11: they leave out there he said this thing. He said,
Speaker 11: I knew exactly what it was. He said, this should
Speaker 11: have been here two one hundred and fifty thousand years ago,
Speaker 11: not in twenty seventeen. So he's he's moved forward with
Speaker 11: his own research into it now, but that's between us
Speaker 11: and him. He won't tell his peers about what he's
Speaker 11: really what he is doing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was surprised when we were in Australia. We
Speaker 9: were shocked as we were filming down there and some
Speaker 9: people we got recognized a little bit. You know, some
Speaker 9: people watched the show and whatnot, but they were like,
Speaker 9: what are you guys doing here? Like we're here for
Speaker 9: the yeow we don't have any big fo things. We're like,
Speaker 9: you know what big for this? But you don't know
Speaker 9: what a yao is like and like everyone always said
Speaker 9: for yaoi the candy and or like no yawi like
Speaker 9: the relic commentaed you know the big big foot that
Speaker 9: I think. They're like, I've never heard of that. Like
Speaker 9: it was less than ten per cent of people we
Speaker 9: encountered ever even heard of a yaoi. It.
Speaker 10: It'd be nice to have Jeff Meldrum here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're really lucky to have Jeff, and there's a
Speaker 9: lot more academics than that involved. I mean there's a
Speaker 9: ton under the you know, keep it under the covers.
Speaker 9: But in his relic commited inquiry at of Odaho State University,
Speaker 9: it's a period, you know, scientific journal and they've got
Speaker 9: twenty four pH ds you know that are publicly involved
Speaker 9: with it. You know. So it's it's not a great
Speaker 9: thing on your resume, but it's not a career killer
Speaker 9: like it would be down in Australia.
Speaker 10: Well, it's because of the numbers. I think that's what
Speaker 10: it comes down to.
Speaker 9: You.
Speaker 11: We don't have a plethora of scientists, et cetera that
Speaker 11: you do over there, so everything they do over he
Speaker 11: is pretty guarded. We said, well, I seen a cast
Speaker 11: to Jeff Meldrum and Jimmy Chilcut back in the year
Speaker 11: two thousand for a documentary that they examined and that
Speaker 11: was taking the same area where we got the footage
Speaker 11: a few months ago.
Speaker 9: Okay, how far is that place you got the fotish
Speaker 9: from the paper video.
Speaker 11: The piper video. Jesus, that's a funny story. That's down
Speaker 11: near Canberra, which is probably about three thousand kilometers awhere.
Speaker 10: Yeah, a long way down below Sydney.
Speaker 11: But the story to that was that this individual, his
Speaker 11: name was Steve Piper.
Speaker 10: He was a limousine driver at the time. I think
Speaker 10: it was.
Speaker 11: Two thousand from memory. He had taken this footage in
Speaker 11: the Brindabella Rangers, which is part of the Snowy Mountains
Speaker 11: near Canberra, and he teamed up with a guy called
Speaker 11: Tim the houri Man, and they thought they'd make a
Speaker 11: lot of money out of this, so they had sold
Speaker 11: it to a local TV station and then the rival
Speaker 11: TV station got in contact.
Speaker 10: With me and said, what do you think come into
Speaker 10: our studio.
Speaker 11: So I did a show on it and they wanted
Speaker 11: to see that channel and da da da dah. Anyway,
Speaker 11: looking at the footage straight away, you can tell there's
Speaker 11: something wrong. When it's in clear, he zooms out. When
Speaker 11: it goes by the tree, zeems in. Back in the clear,
Speaker 11: he zeems back out again. It's got a pretty corny
Speaker 11: looking limp. It kind of looks like a suit and
Speaker 11: it was.
Speaker 10: It was a hoax, we believe.
Speaker 11: And the funny thing is that years later that this guy,
Speaker 11: Steve Piper, when questioned about it, says he has no
Speaker 11: recollection of the footage at all.
Speaker 10: He got into some sort of fight.
Speaker 11: He claims he was knocked out, and since that day
Speaker 11: he doesn't remember the footage.
Speaker 10: That's very convenient, isn't it.
Speaker 9: I thought I didn't think it was real. But Daniel
Speaker 9: Perez reached the Big Foot Harms news letter. He looked
Speaker 9: in it when he was done it for the Olympics
Speaker 9: in two thousand.
Speaker 10: And he was yes, yeah, he thought he.
Speaker 9: Thought it looked good. So I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 9: maybe think about it differently, but here and you said,
Speaker 9: I definitely think it's a hoax, and that's I'm pretty
Speaker 9: firmly down on that.
Speaker 11: There's no question. There's absolutely no question was a hex.
Speaker 11: I mean, Danny Perez went out to the location at
Speaker 11: the time and they researched it, et cetera. But people
Speaker 11: like yourself, Tony Healey, Paul Cropper were all very tight
Speaker 11: and knowing Tim the HOWI man at the time, what
Speaker 11: he was like, and the reputation of this Steve Piper character,
Speaker 11: we just knew it was a hoax. And then yeah,
Speaker 11: later no recollection fancy that.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah. Cliff and I met Tony Healey and Bluff
Speaker 9: Creek in like two thousand and six.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Tony was telling you about that the other night. Actually,
Speaker 10: he gave me a.
Speaker 11: Whole Hebres stories off and I wrote them down to
Speaker 11: where I put them.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you had a lot of recollections about meeting you
Speaker 10: out there.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's a cool guy. Their book is great, So
Speaker 9: I love their book.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, the trilogy number three is sitting there pretty
Speaker 11: much ninety nine percent written. But they're just dragging their
Speaker 11: feet a little bit. I think Paul is a little bit.
Speaker 11: I had my alliance with Paul Cropper and Tony Healy
Speaker 11: GARYO but back in nineteen ninety eight, so I mean
Speaker 11: that's long term relationship too. When AyL was founded back
Speaker 11: in those days, we all dug up for our database
Speaker 11: information dating back to the first fleet, I mean, the
Speaker 11: first white settlers in this country back in the early
Speaker 11: eighteen hundred.
Speaker 10: So our database is great.
Speaker 11: But I think, well, a lot of thanks has to
Speaker 11: be given to Tony and Paul.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think if I remember eighteen seventy nine, I
Speaker 9: think was the first YAI report of Botany Bay. What'd
Speaker 9: you think of that? What did you think of that story?
Speaker 10: More than likely a hoax, that's what I thought. Well,
Speaker 10: the early.
Speaker 11: Reports really began in the media around about the eighteen
Speaker 11: twenties or eighteen twenty itself, and then but by the time,
Speaker 11: by eighteen fifty, it was so widely reported in every state.
Speaker 11: And these are back in the days where you didn't
Speaker 11: have internet, you had no communication, there's no phones, nobody
Speaker 11: knew each other, and everyone lived in remote areas, so
Speaker 11: there's no collaboration. But everyone's coming up with the same stories,
Speaker 11: the same description. And it was so prevalent that in
Speaker 11: the mid eighteen hundreds that they thought we may have our.
Speaker 10: Own indigenous primate.
Speaker 11: So those headlines saying, is this Australia's version of the
Speaker 11: African gorilla? And have they escaped confinement or they already
Speaker 11: hear you know, these sorts of headlines another one, I
Speaker 11: suppose gorilla or another gorilla. So yeah, it was very,
Speaker 11: very prevalent by the eighteen hundred and then just disclaimed
Speaker 11: from there.
Speaker 8: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 8: We'll be right back after these messages.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it just blows my mind. And it's still it's
Speaker 9: still a messy that this, you know, two hundred years later,
Speaker 9: it's still like up in the air, just mind blown
Speaker 9: when you see them, how big they are and like
Speaker 9: they're real or physical being. It's like, how can they
Speaker 9: still being categorized?
Speaker 10: Well, that's that's the question on everyone's lips.
Speaker 9: And then.
Speaker 10: The typical question you get is.
Speaker 11: Why why no body? I've got an answer to that,
Speaker 11: and it's quite simple. Where you find one, there's another
Speaker 11: not too far away, as we saw in the footage,
Speaker 11: and prior to this footage on that same night, in fact,
Speaker 11: I was saying to the guys, where you find one,
Speaker 11: there's another not too far away, and and then the footage.
Speaker 11: But the thing is that if one dies of natural causes,
Speaker 11: it's not going to be left there. You know, it's
Speaker 11: not going to kick some dirt and leaves over Uncle
Speaker 11: Billy and go that's a shine and walk away. You
Speaker 11: had to be picked apot by Printedes and fanboy humans
Speaker 11: you take care of if you did. Now, hundreds of
Speaker 11: thousands of years ago that were bearing the did what
Speaker 11: makes you doing in different days?
Speaker 10: Dace?
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm one hundred percent convinced. I actually I've been
Speaker 9: planning for like seventeen years with going with these out
Speaker 9: the Basket Indians up in the Yukon of Alaska. There's
Speaker 9: a bigfoot graveyard reported up there. There's a cave right
Speaker 9: next to it, and I guess there's tons of just
Speaker 9: bones like caribou and deer and moose bones, just hundreds
Speaker 9: and hundreds of them piled up around there. And they
Speaker 9: found four grays they thought of big foots. There are
Speaker 9: like nine foot long by five foot wide, big mounds
Speaker 9: on top, founded up piles of dirt with whatever rock
Speaker 9: they had around there, and they're they're going in September,
Speaker 9: but I can't go. But yeah, I mean, there's there's
Speaker 9: so many stories of them taking their dead, covering them up.
Speaker 9: They put them all the natives up here, so they
Speaker 9: put them in caves and then you know, put big
Speaker 9: rocks that no human could move, and they put them
Speaker 9: more No machinery can get you. So there's just as
Speaker 9: she brought out there and brought a bunch of dynamite
Speaker 9: blow up in the hole you just would never even
Speaker 9: you know, there's no way to get to them, and
Speaker 9: they put them in places where there's no one going anyways.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I believe they do have a family structure
Speaker 11: that they had their clans. There's probably opposing clans are
Speaker 11: all probably in greens and you don't get in my
Speaker 11: area that go in yours. Another thing I believe is
Speaker 11: that they're not as nomadic as what a lot of
Speaker 11: people think. I think home is always home. Yes, they
Speaker 11: may wonder, but they'll always be back, right.
Speaker 9: That's the same. Yeah, we're on the same page up
Speaker 9: here as what we think too like, and they might
Speaker 9: travel around somewhat. We had cases uh well up here.
Speaker 9: For instance, there's a family of three I live in
Speaker 9: northern California in the coast up just by Bluff Creek actually,
Speaker 9: and there's a family group of three big foots of male,
Speaker 9: female and a young one that we're seen around this
Speaker 9: dump up in Klimath on the Klimat River mouth up there,
Speaker 9: And for like two years the locals were seen in
Speaker 9: the high school kids go there and drain and party,
Speaker 9: and these things had come chase them away, and then
Speaker 9: they throw beer balls out of them and drive off
Speaker 9: this whole thing that was going on. They disappeared from
Speaker 9: here that they showed up around by Mount Chess. There's
Speaker 9: three of them, three white, one seen, and then they
Speaker 9: were seen in the Sierra Nevadas, which is, you know,
Speaker 9: a couple hundred miles east to here, and then they
Speaker 9: were seeing four hundred miles south on the Sierra Nevadas
Speaker 9: they were seen. They went down by La and then
Speaker 9: crossed in southern California. It must acrossed into the coast range,
Speaker 9: went all the way back up towards Santa Cruz, San
Speaker 9: Francisco area, and over the course of like a year,
Speaker 9: there's three big foot scene all the way around you know,
Speaker 9: California that had walked over one thousand miles. If that
Speaker 9: was the same three, we can't prove it's the same three,
Speaker 9: but it's pretty interesting. Then they just they got up
Speaker 9: to a big serve Santa Cruz areathing. There's no reports
Speaker 9: from ever since.
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, well another thing along the point of family units,
Speaker 11: et cetera. It was the night that I was hit. Yeah,
Speaker 11: this is an area that we had a lot of
Speaker 11: experience with these creatures.
Speaker 10: Going back to the word creature, I know it's a
Speaker 10: pretty better term than that.
Speaker 11: Back to the probably nineteen ninety eight in Queenslan're not
Speaker 11: too far away from where you went on.
Speaker 10: The Sunshine Coast up here in Queensland, and we've had
Speaker 10: a lot of interaction.
Speaker 11: I've got so many stories about our encounters there, even
Speaker 11: with a New York journalist.
Speaker 10: Team that came out with this one night.
Speaker 11: But on this particular night, and again, I mean, you
Speaker 11: have your highlights, and this is definitely, of course one
Speaker 11: of mine. And it was January two, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 11: This wasn't like a real expedition type nights. It was
Speaker 11: more of a meet and greet of certain people. It
Speaker 11: was on your handful of us, and we'd set up
Speaker 11: camp right where we'd had past experience in the past
Speaker 11: years though there. But yeah, it was just more more
Speaker 11: of a night out camping other than anything else. We
Speaker 11: were quite loud, we're raucous, not concentrating on anything in particular.
Speaker 11: Then it came to I think just after midnight, and
Speaker 11: I think a couple of people started to dare others
Speaker 11: to walk up this particular track at.
Speaker 10: Night during the night.
Speaker 11: It was a valley at a rocky cascade that was
Speaker 11: going There was ascending up there was a track that
Speaker 11: had an escarpment up to the left and heavily heavily
Speaker 11: treed pine forest, heavy heavy cloud cover, so it was
Speaker 11: very hard to see hand in front of your face.
Speaker 11: And what I normally do, as you probably do in
Speaker 11: others if you're in a base camp situation, or any
Speaker 11: any sort of set up situation loan camp or play
Speaker 11: or whatever, you go and situate yourself away and have
Speaker 11: a listen to hear if you have any visitors that
Speaker 11: quite often they'll come for a look out of curiosity.
Speaker 11: And this is pre thermal camera days. So I decided
Speaker 11: I'll go for a walk. So we're down into this
Speaker 11: valley you go too far away from base, and went
Speaker 11: up this granite cascade and I began to smell this
Speaker 11: really pungent odor. It was sulphuric. I know and others
Speaker 11: know that this is commonly associated with BOWI bigfoot sightings,
Speaker 11: a sulphuric type, rotten egg type smell.
Speaker 10: So I'd radio this back down to base and Steve.
Speaker 11: Who's the local policeman there, he said, careful, you know
Speaker 11: what that could mean. And I was complacent, and I
Speaker 11: keep walking and I sat up on top of this
Speaker 11: rocky cascade. I had my mag light, bottle of water,
Speaker 11: and a radio, and I sat there and I was
Speaker 11: tuning into the bush around me, just listening, absorbing at all.
Speaker 11: Then within I'd say almost seconds, ten seconds, twenty seconds,
Speaker 11: thirty seconds, there's this noise marching above me. This thing
Speaker 11: was walking bi Peterlee, no question, two feet walking like
Speaker 11: a person, but with purpose, not trying to cover the
Speaker 11: sound of the footsteps, not interested with purpose. And so
Speaker 11: I've stood up. Everything's still down beside me, and i'd
Speaker 11: lent open. I picked up my radio. I said, headcount, guys,
Speaker 11: where are you? And they said, we're all here. I said, well,
Speaker 11: I've got company. And as soon as I said that,
Speaker 11: this thing turns and starts running down this mountain side
Speaker 11: in pitch darkness. It's running, it's sprinting. Now, if you
Speaker 11: and I were in this darkness going down a hill
Speaker 11: with all this foliage and no stumps and fallen bracken
Speaker 11: and this and that, we'll be true being able walking.
Speaker 11: This thing was sprinting all the way down. And as
Speaker 11: I say, I wrote the book on their behavior.
Speaker 10: But this guy didn't read the book.
Speaker 11: He didn't behave According to my to my knowledge, and
Speaker 11: after he had to stop, he had to stop.
Speaker 10: You've got to stop, please stop.
Speaker 11: And he's closing on me, and he's getting faster and faster.
Speaker 11: And now I know he's so close to me. Even
Speaker 11: if he wanted to stop, I don't think he could stop.
Speaker 11: And so I've got my hand up in the air.
Speaker 11: I'm yelling stop, stop, stop. Yeah, I know, like you
Speaker 11: could understand me. And now this is the point. You
Speaker 11: can pre plan all these fantasies out in your mind
Speaker 11: till the cows come home. You can have every possibly
Speaker 11: worked out in your head. If this happened, I'll do that.
Speaker 11: If that happened, hey, I would do this. You're on
Speaker 11: top of it all. But guess what when it happens,
Speaker 11: it's all out the wind.
Speaker 9: Day.
Speaker 11: I didn't even think of Bendy Avern picking up my maglife.
Speaker 11: For God's sake, you know, everything was out the window.
Speaker 11: And before I knew it, this thing was on top
Speaker 11: of me. He'd hit me straight in the chest and
Speaker 11: I don't know whether it was a palm whe there's
Speaker 11: a forearm. I went backwards, I lost my feet, went
Speaker 11: through the air, and I landed in a pool of water,
Speaker 11: and needless to say, I was beside myself.
Speaker 10: You'd like to think that in situations like this in.
Speaker 11: Your mind, when you're playing out all these roles, if
Speaker 11: this ever happens, he I on top of it, you'd
Speaker 11: like to think you're a bit of a hero.
Speaker 10: And no, I wasn't sadly to say I was beside myself.
Speaker 10: I was so scared.
Speaker 11: I was waiting to be picked up and flung into
Speaker 11: a tree, this thing standing over the top of me,
Speaker 11: and I'm rocking from side to side, kicking my legs
Speaker 11: in the air, trying to keep this thing away from me.
Speaker 11: I'm doing this few tile punches in the air. I'm
Speaker 11: doing everything I can, and at the same time, I'm
Speaker 11: yelling at base camp, yelling at them for help. He
Speaker 11: was there, and he had not finished with me. I
Speaker 11: know that for sure. And if it wasn't for the
Speaker 11: guys getting to me on time again, I'd be just
Speaker 11: another missing person. The guys get to me. This thing
Speaker 11: stepped off me. He's walked on the other side of
Speaker 11: this big tree and he's gone into the forest. We're
Speaker 11: following him, and as he's looking at us in pitch darkness,
Speaker 11: the eyes were illuminating. Now, when I say they're illuminating,
Speaker 11: I mean self illuminating, not reflecting. They were self illuminating
Speaker 11: in pitch darkness, heavy foliage cover, no cloud, no moon,
Speaker 11: no stars in a valley. They were self illuminating. They
Speaker 11: were a dull white gray color, which you don't hear
Speaker 11: that often. Normally it's all the usuals, the red, et cetera.
Speaker 11: But this is what this is the color of this
Speaker 11: one had. And it was blinking as it's looking at us.
Speaker 11: Now as we walk forward, it all go black because
Speaker 11: he's turned his head away from us, looking forward, and
Speaker 11: he would keep the same distance from us. When we stopped,
Speaker 11: it would stop. He would then turn around and look
Speaker 11: back at us, and then the eyes were back blink, blink, blink.
Speaker 11: So we played this game for a while, called it tonight.
Speaker 11: I don't know what time, three or four, at about
Speaker 11: eight o'clock in the morning. And this is the interesting part. Well,
Speaker 11: this is the interesting part. That was the interesting part. Well,
Speaker 11: this is another interesting part. I'd gone for a hype
Speaker 11: by myself.
Speaker 10: Stupidly as I did, because I'm pretty stupid.
Speaker 11: And I had There's no phone reception there, so I
Speaker 11: didn't have my phone or anything, and I was heavily dehydrated.
Speaker 11: As I'm coming back, there's only one track back to
Speaker 11: base camp, and I needed to get back there because
Speaker 11: I needed water pronto. As I'm coming down this hill
Speaker 11: on this track getting closer to base camp, I see
Speaker 11: ahead of me on the left hand side, in the
Speaker 11: long grass as there's long probably three three and a
Speaker 11: half foot grass, spindly, yellowy grass, thick.
Speaker 10: There's one sitting down there.
Speaker 11: Whether be sitting on the knees or sitting on its bottom,
Speaker 11: I don't know. But as I'm getting a little bit
Speaker 11: closer and my mind's digesting this, it leans forward into
Speaker 11: the grass. Now I can't see it now. From that time,
Speaker 11: the moment I saw it, I had the feeling female.
Speaker 11: I always say, I don't know, I don't know why.
Speaker 11: I have no proof, I have no facts, but I
Speaker 11: just got the feeling that was a female. So again
Speaker 11: I had no choice. I had to get around this,
Speaker 11: and I'd stopped there for quite a few minutes because
Speaker 11: I didn't want to go any further.
Speaker 10: I didn't want to have to walk past it.
Speaker 11: I mean, it was a pretty thing, considering what happened
Speaker 11: the night prior, but I had to get past it.
Speaker 11: I had to, had no choice. I was hydrated, I
Speaker 11: needed water. So baby steps, baby steps. As I'm getting
Speaker 11: down close, being quiet, baby steps, baby steps. And as
Speaker 11: I get equal, I still can't see her, I'll call
Speaker 11: her her whack whack, whack right beside me, to my right,
Speaker 11: on the other side of the track. Here's the big mail.
Speaker 11: This is the guy that hit me the night prior.
Speaker 11: Could you imagine what I went through at that particular time.
Speaker 11: Oh my god, So I've went over and I've picked
Speaker 11: up a rock, had.
Speaker 10: That in my hand. I don't know why, it just
Speaker 10: felt it felt good having something in my hand.
Speaker 11: And so I'm doing babysteps, babysteps, don't look behind, don't
Speaker 11: look behind, don't look behind, and just just keep going
Speaker 11: till I got out of side and just rush back
Speaker 11: to base camp.
Speaker 10: But so anyway, it took me.
Speaker 11: I had about eight months of PTSD after this event
Speaker 11: of the previous night in the next morning, eight months
Speaker 11: eight months where I had a really hard time getting
Speaker 11: to sleep at night.
Speaker 10: I couldn't get a full night sleep. Things just kept
Speaker 10: rocking and rolling in my mind.
Speaker 11: And the biggest question that kept me awake was why.
Speaker 11: The question why Why did it hit me? What did
Speaker 11: I do that compelled it to run down and hit
Speaker 11: me without a care in the world, No stealth, not
Speaker 11: being careful.
Speaker 10: It was it rushed at me like it was with
Speaker 10: the purpose, as I said before, and.
Speaker 11: I couldn't work it out, and so tossing a turning.
Speaker 11: It wasn't until a while later when I really thought
Speaker 11: about it. And this is where it comes back to
Speaker 11: my initial point where there's one, there's another not too
Speaker 11: far away. When I walked up that granite cascade and
Speaker 11: that smell that I could smell, I think that was her.
Speaker 11: I think she was close to base and so he's
Speaker 11: run down clocked me.
Speaker 9: Okay, do you think that females and males have different smell?
Speaker 11: Wouldn't have a clue, But I do know after talking
Speaker 11: to an academic friend of mine, that male guerrillas can
Speaker 11: give off an odor. Some of it we can't pick
Speaker 11: up on, but they can now, as he correctly says,
Speaker 11: we don't know anything about the composition the makeup.
Speaker 10: Of these of this species.
Speaker 11: We don't know what they can let off. Now is
Speaker 11: it at well? Is it an aggression thing, is it
Speaker 11: deliberate or is it just Hey, they smell we don't know,
Speaker 11: but he seems to think that's only the males. But
Speaker 11: now he said that we don't know the species. Maybe
Speaker 11: the females can let off this sort of smell, and
Speaker 11: maybe I was getting close to her and she's led
Speaker 11: off this defensive smell, and he was there, he was watching,
Speaker 11: He wasn't too far away, and he's come down and
Speaker 11: he's defended the woman like a heroic big foot.
Speaker 9: He and yeah, yeah, how to be intense to get
Speaker 9: running over by one of those things. We don't hear
Speaker 9: too many starts about theyre making physical contacting them up here.
Speaker 9: You know, if they're really determined to take you out,
Speaker 9: I think there's not much you're going to do. Like,
Speaker 9: so you don't hear like a lot of stags up
Speaker 9: people getting beat up and then getting away. I think
Speaker 9: if they if they're going to get you, they're going
Speaker 9: to get you. I don't think it happens that often,
Speaker 9: not up here anywheys. But yeah, but the thing.
Speaker 11: Is that if I was by myself, it would have
Speaker 11: been a very different outcome. I wouldn't be here to
Speaker 11: tell the story. That's the difference. The only thing is
Speaker 11: the only thing that saved me in this situation is
Speaker 11: the fact that I had people not too far away
Speaker 11: and they got to me very very quickly, carrying white light.
Speaker 10: But if I was out there by myself and.
Speaker 11: This thing was still standing over the top of me,
Speaker 11: as I said before, he hadn't finished with me, I
Speaker 11: wouldn't be here now.
Speaker 10: And this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 11: I attribute so many missing people in the forest to
Speaker 11: these things. Now, they have emotions, if they're biological, they
Speaker 11: have emotions, just like any other animal or humans. They
Speaker 11: have good days, bad days, and there's good and bad
Speaker 11: and everything. It just makes sense. Now you get all
Speaker 11: the fairy floss do good type people saying, oh, you know,
Speaker 11: they're just friendly people, people a friendly race that me
Speaker 11: no harm and they leave us alone, we leave them alone.
Speaker 10: It's not the case. That is not the case at all,
Speaker 10: not from my experience.
Speaker 11: I've only met one good one or had experiences with
Speaker 11: one good one. The rest of them haven't been so humble.
Speaker 9: They couldn't be that. They can't be that aggressive, or
Speaker 9: there'd be a lot more people disappearing.
Speaker 10: I think, yeah, but there is. That's the thing.
Speaker 11: And when I looked into the missing people, I was
Speaker 11: told by the Bureau that the majority.
Speaker 10: Of people that are still not found are bush related related.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know Deep Paul Oudies. Yeah yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 9: been done in Australian so but he's a buddy of mine.
Speaker 9: He thinks, he thinks that of all the books and
Speaker 9: stories and movies he's done, he says, in hindsight, now
Speaker 9: I think it's way less than five percent are actually
Speaker 9: attributable to a bigfoot.
Speaker 11: No, I'm just saying all of them are. So I'm
Speaker 11: saying that some of them are, a lot of people are.
Speaker 11: And you know, again on one of these people that
Speaker 11: was one of the fortunate few.
Speaker 10: Now, one thing out of all these years.
Speaker 11: Of doing this, Bobo as I'm sure you'll agree, the
Speaker 11: more you learn, the less you know.
Speaker 10: When you began this, you used to be an expert,
Speaker 10: but you aret anymore.
Speaker 9: Exactly. Yeah, the more you learn, the more questions you get.
Speaker 9: That's how this field works. Undoubtedly, he doesn't ask you
Speaker 9: to when we were down, I guess whatever that was
Speaker 9: twenty twelve, I guess somewhere around there four years previously,
Speaker 9: so as in two thousand and eight or two thousand
Speaker 9: and seven, Northern New Side whales kind of HiT's like
Speaker 9: a hippie spot.
Speaker 10: Barron Bay.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Byron Bay, there's an Aboriginal reserve behind there, and
Speaker 9: we talked to several people that had seen one a
Speaker 9: dead eye that was there for three days. It washed
Speaker 9: up behind Byron Bay, a few miles back up river
Speaker 9: on the reserve on the inland side of the highway,
Speaker 9: and they didn't touch it for a couple days, and
Speaker 9: finally they said some government officials came and took it away.
Speaker 9: Did you ever hear about I talked to really great
Speaker 9: witnesses that said, yeah, I was there for a couple
Speaker 9: of days. It was at a bend in the river
Speaker 9: that washed up. It'd been in the water for a
Speaker 9: couple of weeks. It was rotting, and but it was
Speaker 9: there and no one took pictures of it. I mean nothing,
Speaker 9: It just the Aboriginals just didn't want anything to do
Speaker 9: with it. And then some government guys came and hauled
Speaker 9: it off.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know the story. Well.
Speaker 11: I was contacted by the grandson of the witnesses. It
Speaker 11: was an older couple. The story about that was that
Speaker 11: the couple were going for a morning walk and they'd
Speaker 11: come across this bridge which is in the forest there's
Speaker 11: just like a it's just to get from one side
Speaker 11: to the other.
Speaker 10: And just below was a river.
Speaker 11: This thing came from the other side and they both
Speaker 11: parties were.
Speaker 10: Startled by each other. And this thing had jumped off
Speaker 10: the side of the bridge landed beside the water.
Speaker 11: The gentleman had walked down there to see if it
Speaker 11: was okay, not sure what had just jumped off the bridge.
Speaker 11: When he got down close to it, he thought it
Speaker 11: may have been a bear. Of course Australy doesn't have bears.
Speaker 11: He grabbed a big stick. It was face down at
Speaker 11: the time he'd rolled it over. He said, it was
Speaker 11: the most hideous looking face you've ever seen. So he's
Speaker 11: gone to the authorities, as they do, and I've got
Speaker 11: a lot of stories like this. Go to the authorities
Speaker 11: and they come, they couldn't off the area, They take
Speaker 11: the body away. He's gone back into the local police
Speaker 11: station and inquired what's what's becoming of this?
Speaker 10: What was the outcome?
Speaker 11: And they basically said, of what what are you talking about?
Speaker 9: Yeah, how many storts have you had a buy it
Speaker 9: is that you believe are true? Like it's a couple
Speaker 9: dozen or.
Speaker 11: Oh no, not that many, Probably about a dozen and
Speaker 11: it all has the same outcome. It always goes back
Speaker 11: to just the wrong decision. You don't go to the police.
Speaker 11: But I guess if you're not in the no, you
Speaker 11: wouldn't consider that. I mean, that's probably the first protocol
Speaker 11: people have is you go to the police and you
Speaker 11: report it. So what's been happening is the local police station,
Speaker 11: they make their inquiries. Who do we talk to? And
Speaker 11: it goes down to the federal building in the Sydney.
Speaker 11: Then the Feds get involved and they're people from their
Speaker 11: black hole is what we call it, their black hole.
Speaker 11: They come out, they called off the area, the place
Speaker 11: is sanitized, and they're suddenly in total denial. Oh my god,
Speaker 11: I've got some great stories along those lines.
Speaker 9: What's the closest you think that it came to like
Speaker 9: or it wasn't like just a goverment swooped in and
Speaker 9: gut like where because there's always cases up here where
Speaker 9: I'm like kicking myself and like we were so close
Speaker 9: to getting up body recovered. Like was there one case
Speaker 9: that sticks out to you or like you're like we
Speaker 9: could we were it was right our fingertips.
Speaker 11: Yeah, about two years ago, two or three years ago,
Speaker 11: I get a phone call from an older couple.
Speaker 10: He's an ex truck driver. They both retired.
Speaker 11: They had a caravan and they're going through or towards
Speaker 11: a place called Cough's Harbor, which is just blow Byron Bay.
Speaker 9: That's a hot spy. I know that spy.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it certainly is.
Speaker 11: And it was wet and it was windy, and there's nighttime,
Speaker 11: turning the caravan and here in front of them in
Speaker 11: the headlights is a gorilla lying on the ground on
Speaker 11: the road, on the side of the road. A gorilla
Speaker 11: just lying there in a fetal position. They both saw it.
Speaker 11: They both had a very very good look at it.
Speaker 11: There's no chance on that particular road, the road the
Speaker 11: way that it is, that they could have turned that
Speaker 11: caravan around and gone back, and in that weather and
Speaker 11: them being that.
Speaker 10: Age, it disturbed them. And they said it was huge,
Speaker 10: cove and hair.
Speaker 11: You know, I don't need to explain what a bigfoot
Speaker 11: looks a bigfoot looks like. Anyway, it was on the
Speaker 11: ground in a fetal position, and they said it was enormous.
Speaker 11: So they've passed it. They've phoned me and said it's there.
Speaker 11: It's there, So I've then called my contacts in Coff's Harbor.
Speaker 11: They went out straight away and said, the body is gone.
Speaker 11: We're not entirely sure exactly where it was. It looked
Speaker 11: like they might have been some drag marks to that,
Speaker 11: but because the weather was so inclined, they couldn't pick
Speaker 11: anything up for DNA or anything. But it was gone.
Speaker 11: So this is where again I returned to where there's one,
Speaker 11: there's another not too far away. One or two things
Speaker 11: happened so that it was knocked out and it worked
Speaker 11: itself up and walked off, or the one it's not
Speaker 11: too far away came and got him. Now, this guy
Speaker 11: being an next truck driver, he said, this thing was
Speaker 11: so big. He said, if that was hit by a car,
Speaker 11: there would have been debris. He said, but no, he said,
Speaker 11: what I think? He said, I think he's been clicked
Speaker 11: by a truck. And he said the truck driver probably
Speaker 11: didn't even know. Wow.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you hear those stairs fairly regularly. It's like God
Speaker 9: just so close, and people always call the wrong person,
Speaker 9: or they called a fishing game or the police, or
Speaker 9: you know some authority figure that has no interest in
Speaker 9: making the thing public. Well, I'll figure it out. I'll
Speaker 9: let you know what I figured it all out.
Speaker 10: Yeah you, thank y'all. I'm relying on you.
Speaker 9: We're all in trouble now right, Well cool, Dean. I
Speaker 9: really appreciate it coming on and straighten us out about
Speaker 9: what's going on down in Australia. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Well, we should keep in contact more often.
Speaker 9: Yeah for sure. Okay, folks, Well, that was Dean Harrison
Speaker 9: from Australia and Yaoi Research at Jawi Hunters dot com.
Speaker 9: Check out a site. It's awesome. You'll be surprised how
Speaker 9: much evidence they have down there. It's a great spot
Speaker 9: to get the info on the Yaoi. So Dean, thanks
Speaker 9: again for coming on board. We appreciate it. Let's do
Speaker 9: it again, all right for sure? All right, folks, Well,
Speaker 9: thanks for tuning in until next week. Keep it squatchy.
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