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<v Speaker 1>Caloroga Shark Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to the Palace Weekly. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Francis, and every Sunday we are going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a conversational roundtable approach to all the stories that happened

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<v Speaker 2>this week in Royal News. Take it away.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like just yesterday we were glued to our

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<v Speaker 3>screens watching Harry and Megan step back from royal life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>five years, can you believe it?

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, today we're going to dive deep into a Vanity

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<v Speaker 3>Fair article that kind of takes stock of their journey

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<v Speaker 3>since then, and they actually talked to dozens of people

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<v Speaker 3>who've worked with them.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a fascinating piece. Yeah, gives you a peek behind

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<v Speaker 4>the curtain of their California life, their businesses, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the charity work, and even some bumps in the road.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's unpack this right off the back. But the

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<v Speaker 3>article jumps into their life in Montecito and paints a

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<v Speaker 3>picture of this grand mansion fourteen point six five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Eighteen thousand square feet.

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<v Speaker 3>What a steal. It does sound like a steal. What's

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<v Speaker 3>really fascinating is that this luxurious estate became the base

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<v Speaker 3>for Archwall, their ambitious blend of like philanthropy and entertainment.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a real shift from that traditional, more formal model

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<v Speaker 4>of royal life.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like a deliberate move, a physical and symbolic

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<v Speaker 3>separation from the constraints of the monarchy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you could definitely see it that way. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>they're trying to build a new kind of influence. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>on their own terms.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's really interesting. Now the article touches on their

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<v Speaker 3>philanthropic work, and it seems like Harry's still dedicated to

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<v Speaker 3>his charities, infect his Games foundation in Senta Veil, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's a mention of him having this certain Gravi toss

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<v Speaker 3>when he talks about his work in Africa.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes sense, right, He's got this deep connection to Africa,

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<v Speaker 4>both personally and through his chairar work, so his passion

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<v Speaker 4>really shines through.

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<v Speaker 3>Now on Megan's side, there's her forty by forty initiative, which,

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<v Speaker 3>just to clarify for our listeners, focuses on encouraging people

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<v Speaker 3>to dedicate forty minutes of their time to support women

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<v Speaker 3>re entering the workforce. The article also mentions her podcast

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<v Speaker 3>archetypes will be returning for a second season that we

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<v Speaker 3>don't have a title or a premise just yet, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And then of course there are the Netflix projects, A

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<v Speaker 3>docus about Polo and a reality show called With Love Megan,

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<v Speaker 3>which actually got delayed because of the California wildfires.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny you bring up those wildfires because that actually

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<v Speaker 4>plays into one of the anecdotes that they shared about Megan. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>despite the disruption to the show's filming schedule, she was

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<v Speaker 4>apparently very calm and collected, even making jokes about.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's pretty impressive given the circumstances. Sounds like they've

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<v Speaker 3>been keeping dizzy on the entertainment front. Yeah, but the

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<v Speaker 3>article also hints that their venture into the podcasting world,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically with Spotify, wasn't exactly smooth sailing.

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<v Speaker 4>That's putting it lightly. Apparently some of Harry's podcast ideas

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<v Speaker 4>were well, let's just say a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Out there, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>To tell he reportedly suggested a podcast where he'd interview

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<v Speaker 4>Get This sociopaths like Mark Zuckerberg and Donald Trump, which

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<v Speaker 4>kind of raises the question of what's his definition of

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<v Speaker 4>sociopath and what kind of conversation is he really envisioning

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<v Speaker 4>having right? He also pitched a hot chocolate review show

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<v Speaker 4>and a show where he'd solve problems from fixing flat

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<v Speaker 4>tires to tackling global warming.

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<v Speaker 3>A sociopath podcast and fixing flat tires. Those are some

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<v Speaker 3>wildly different concepts. What was going on there?

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<v Speaker 4>It does seem a bit all over the place, doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>It Almost like a struggle to find their footing in

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<v Speaker 4>this podcasting landscape. Clearly they want to tackle big, meaningful themes,

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<v Speaker 4>but maybe lacked concrete ideas to make those themes come

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<v Speaker 4>alive in a podcast format.

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<v Speaker 3>And speaking of big personalities, wasn't there some tension with

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<v Speaker 3>Bill Simmons? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. Bill Simmons, a Spotify executive, huge name in podcasting,

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<v Speaker 4>reportedly had a pretty frustrating Zoom meeting with Harry Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and ended up calling the couple grifters publicly. Not exactly

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<v Speaker 4>a glowing endorsement.

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<v Speaker 3>Ouch, that's got a sting. It sounds like they weren't

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<v Speaker 3>exactly embracing the nitty gritty work that goes into producing

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<v Speaker 3>a successful podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the perception. At least, It's like they wanted the

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<v Speaker 4>benefits in the reach of podcasting, but without putting in

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<v Speaker 4>the same effort as other celebrity podcasters.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting. So amidst all this, their podcast archetypes did

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<v Speaker 3>eventually emerge, and the article flames that the idea actually

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<v Speaker 3>originated from a Spotify employee.

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<v Speaker 1>It did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the podcast dells into various stereotypes about women, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like Diva and Bimbo, aiming to unpack their historical context

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<v Speaker 3>and their impact on women today. Right, so it sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like a great concept. Did they manage to snag those

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<v Speaker 3>A List guests they were hoping for? The article mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>Beyonce and Megan de Sallient.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it seems like securing those high profile guests was

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<v Speaker 4>a bit of a struggle actually, and even behind the

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<v Speaker 4>scenes there were some reports of tension. He would an

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<v Speaker 4>executive producer from Oprah's team apparently clashed with Meghan over

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<v Speaker 4>her you know, evolving demands for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>The article also mentioned some claims about Meghan's treatment of staff,

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<v Speaker 3>warm and approachable initially, but allegedly becoming cold and undermining

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<v Speaker 3>when things didn't go her way.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we have to take those claims with the

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<v Speaker 4>grain of salt. They are coming from anonymous sources, after all,

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard to get a completely unbiased view.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair enough, Now, before we move on, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>touch on Harry's personal perspective, especially as it's portrayed through

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<v Speaker 3>his memoir Spare Spare.

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<v Speaker 4>Was incredibly revealing, wasn't it. It offered such raw and

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<v Speaker 4>honest insight into his inner world, you know, his experiences

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<v Speaker 4>with trauma and those fractured relationships within the Royal family.

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<v Speaker 3>He was incredibly candid and that definitely resonated with a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people. But the article also points to the

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<v Speaker 3>potential fallout from such public disclosures, especially if Harry hopes to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, mend those broken bridges with.

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<v Speaker 4>His family exactly. Spare My have been cathartic for Harry,

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<v Speaker 4>but it also added another layer of complexity to his

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<v Speaker 4>relationship with the Royal family.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there are his ongoing legal battles with the

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<v Speaker 3>British tabloid press, his fight for security in the UK,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, according to sources, he's not currently in

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<v Speaker 3>contact with his family. It sounds like a very difficult

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<v Speaker 3>and isolating situation.

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<v Speaker 4>It highlights the immense pressure he's under juggling these legal battles,

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<v Speaker 4>his personal life and his desire to carve out a

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<v Speaker 4>new path for himself and his family. The article even

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<v Speaker 4>mentions that he skipped a close friend's wedding potentially because

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<v Speaker 4>of his security concerns in the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>It really makes you think about the personal cost of

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<v Speaker 3>their choices, even with all the privilege and resources they have.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, their lives might seem glamorous from the outside, but

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<v Speaker 4>they're dealing with real human challenges just like everyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a good reminder that even with their wealth

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<v Speaker 3>and global platform, they're still navigating you know, family dynamics

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<v Speaker 3>and public scrutiny and personal struggles.

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<v Speaker 4>Right. Absolutely, now, shifting years a bit, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about the dynamic between Harry and Meghan themselves. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>a recurring theme in the article is this like palpable

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<v Speaker 4>love they have for each other. Yeah, and multiple sources

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<v Speaker 4>actually describe Meghan as the driving force in their partnership. Ah,

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<v Speaker 4>It's like she's become the caregiver and facilitator, guiding your

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<v Speaker 3>It is an interesting evolution, isn't it. Meghan, who was

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<v Speaker 3>initially navigating the unfamiliar world of royalty, is now the

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<v Speaker 3>one steering the ship. Right. Makes you wonder how those

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<v Speaker 3>shifting roles might be impacting their relationship. Yeah, it does.

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<v Speaker 3>And while the article highlights their strong connection, there's also

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<v Speaker 3>this subtle suggestion of Harry possibly feeling isolated.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he's no longer in that familiar royal bubble,

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<v Speaker 3>and he seems to be searching for his purpose outside

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<v Speaker 4>That's such a crucial point. Imagine trying to define your

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<v Speaker 4>place in the world when you've come from such a

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<v Speaker 4>unique and restrictive background. Right, it's no wonder he might

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<v Speaker 4>be grappling with those questions of identity and purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes you think about all the assumptions we

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<v Speaker 3>make about people based on their public image totally, especially

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<v Speaker 3>when someone like Harry's made such a dramatic shift in

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<v Speaker 3>his life Exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>We tend to view public figures through a very narrow lens, right,

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<v Speaker 4>but there's so much more happening beneath the surface.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of public image, there's this interesting contradiction. The article

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<v Speaker 3>points out their continued use of their royal titles even

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<v Speaker 3>after stepping back from royal duties.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it definitely raises eyebrows. Their children, Archie and the

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<v Speaker 4>Lillabete automatically became prince and princess when Charles became king,

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<v Speaker 4>and there are even anecdotes about staff being asked to

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<v Speaker 4>address Harry and Meghan as sir and ma'am.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost like they want to distance themselves from the

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<v Speaker 3>institution of the monarchy but still maintain those privileges, and

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<v Speaker 3>that elevated status sends a mixed message when you say, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Does create a bit of a perception problem. As one

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<v Speaker 4>commonator pointed out, you know, when they appear together in

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<v Speaker 4>contexts outside of Harry's work with Invictus Games, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>always clear what they represent right now.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great point. It makes those public appearances feel

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<v Speaker 3>less impactful, like maybe there's still figuring out how to

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<v Speaker 3>use their platform effectively.

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<v Speaker 4>It also ties back into that criticism they receive for

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<v Speaker 4>some of their royal tours, oh specifically those visits to

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<v Speaker 4>Nigeria and Colombia.

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<v Speaker 3>Right The article touches on that, highlighting this inherent conflict

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to brave free from the constraints of the monarchy

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<v Speaker 3>while still leveraging its symbolic power.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a delicate balancing act and one they haven't quite

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<v Speaker 4>mastered yet now.

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<v Speaker 3>Beyond their global image, the article also delves into their

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<v Speaker 3>life in Montecito. Oh, and it suggests that their relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with the community hasn't been entirely rosy. Oh, they've actually

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<v Speaker 3>become somewhat of local villains, with some residents blaming them

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<v Speaker 3>for rising housing prices and increased media attention.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a fascinating example of the unintended consequences of fame

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<v Speaker 4>and wealthy. You know, they might have envisioned a peaceful

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<v Speaker 4>retreat in Montecito, but their presence has clearly disrupted the

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<v Speaker 4>community in ways they may not have anticipated.

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<v Speaker 3>And it doesn't help that they're rarely seen interacting with locals. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they've been spotted at high profile events like Ellen DeGeneres's

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<v Speaker 3>vow renewal, Seragoy, right, or Harry playing polo, but they

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<v Speaker 4>It feeds into that perception of them being detached from

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<v Speaker 4>the realities of the community they now call home.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, before we move on, I have to ask about

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<v Speaker 3>Megan's new lifestyle brand, American Riviera Orchard or Aro. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds intriguing, but apparently it's already encountered some obstacles.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, definitely for starters, the trademark application was rejected,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's potential conflict with another brand called Harry and David.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And then there's the name itself, American Riviera Orchard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The article mentions that no one really calls Montecito the

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<v Speaker 4>American Riviera anymore, so the brand feels a bit dated

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<v Speaker 3>It's a stark contrast to her previous success with her

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<v Speaker 3>With ar it feels like she might have misjudged what

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<v Speaker 3>this pretty shocking rumor. The article reveals about Megan's team

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<v Speaker 3>Still, it's a pretty eyebrow raising detail to include, especially

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<v Speaker 3>an article that's largely focused on their post royal life together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it does make you wonder what's happening behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 4>It speaks to the constant speculations surrounding their relationship and

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<v Speaker 3>It's like we're all invested in the next chapter of

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<v Speaker 4>It's the power of a good narrative, yeah, keeps us hooked,

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<v Speaker 4>even when we're not sure where it's headed.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely now. The article concludes by reflecting on their ongoing

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<v Speaker 3>efforts to change the world, a phrase they've used repeatedly,

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<v Speaker 3>but even those who've worked closely with them seem unsure

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<v Speaker 4>It's a valid question. Are they truly committed to creating

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<v Speaker 3>It's easy to be cynical, especially given their lavish lifestyle

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<v Speaker 4>It's a complex issue, and ultimately it's up to each

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<v Speaker 4>individual to decide what they believe right. But what we

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<v Speaker 4>can do is analyze their actions, understand the nuances of

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we're aiming to do here, right, to provide

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly. We're not here to pass judgment, but to encourage

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<v Speaker 3>So, five years into this post royal life, where do

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<v Speaker 3>you think Harry and Megan stand. Are they finding their

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a bit of both. Okay, they're clearly

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<v Speaker 4>smooth journey, right. They've encountered setbacks, made missteps, and faced

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<v Speaker 4>a relentless barrage of criticism.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet they seem to be pushing forward undeterred.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a resilience to them, a determination to defy expectations

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<v Speaker 3>And whether we agree with their methods or not, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no denying that they're keeping us all captivated. Yeah, their

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<v Speaker 4>Over, absolutely, and this deep dive into the vanity fair

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<v Speaker 4>article has given us a glimpse into the intricacies of

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<v Speaker 3>They're shifting gears slightly. I want to talk about one

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<v Speaker 3>one particular aspect of Megan's approach to creating change that

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<v Speaker 3>the article highlights. Okay, her focus on personal connection and empathy.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>Several people shared stories about her reaching out to them

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<v Speaker 4>It's a fascinating parallel to Princess Diana.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it does make you wonder if that genuine empathy

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<v Speaker 3>As they say, Yeah, it's like she sees those individual

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<v Speaker 3>acts of kindness as a microcosm of the larger impact

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<v Speaker 4>Right. But the article also touches on this specific anecdote

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<v Speaker 4>that Megan often brings up about writing a letter to

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<v Speaker 4>Procter and Gamble as a teenager complaining about a sexist

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<v Speaker 3>Oh right, I remember hearing about that. Yeah, she claims

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<v Speaker 3>her letter led them to change the ad. But do

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<v Speaker 3>we actually know if her letter was like the catalyst

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Procter and Gamble has been pretty evasive about confirming

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<v Speaker 4>Meghan's direct role in the AD's revision. Ok, However, they

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<v Speaker 4>did partner with archwell you years ago, right, so there's

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like that story holds a lot of significance

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<v Speaker 3>for Megan.

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<v Speaker 1>It does.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It's almost like she sees it as a model

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<v Speaker 3>for her aspirations, a demonstration of how even a single

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<v Speaker 4>It's a powerful narrative, Yeah, But it also raises questions

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<v Speaker 4>about the effectiveness of such symbolic gestures and the grand

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<v Speaker 4>scheme of things. Right, Can a letter or even a

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<v Speaker 4>celebrity endorsement truly create lasting systemic change.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a valid point. Maybe it's about planting seeds, shifting

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<v Speaker 3>perspectives rather than expecting immediate, sweeping change. Yeah. But circling

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<v Speaker 3>back to this idea of changing the world, the article

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<v Speaker 3>quotes someone who worked closely with Harry and Meghan saying

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<v Speaker 3>they don't seem to have a clear definition of what

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<v Speaker 3>that actually means for them. Yeah, and that's a critique

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<v Speaker 3>they faced repeatedly. Isn't it that their vision for change

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<v Speaker 3>lacks focus? That they're spreading themselves too thin across various

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<v Speaker 3>causes and ventures. Yeah, it's easy to get caught up

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<v Speaker 3>in the world wind of opportunities when you have platform

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<v Speaker 3>as big as theirs, Right, But I also appreciate their

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<v Speaker 3>willingness to experiment, to try different approaches, even if they

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<v Speaker 3>haven't quite found their sweet spot yet.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's a fair assessment. They're clearly passionate about

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<v Speaker 4>making a difference, but maybe still figuring out how to

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, as we wrap up this deep dive into

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<v Speaker 3>Harry and Meghan five years after their royal exit, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>curious to hear your final takeaway. Okay, what stands out

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<v Speaker 3>to you most from all of us?

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<v Speaker 4>I think for me, it's this constant tension between their

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<v Speaker 4>desire for privacy and their need for attention. They seem

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<v Speaker 4>to crave both simultaneously, which creates this you know, push

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<v Speaker 4>and pull dynamic that's fascinating to observe.

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<v Speaker 3>I see that. It's like they're trying to rewrite the

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<v Speaker 3>rules of celebrity, Yeah, but haven't quite cracked the code

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<v Speaker 3>yet exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>They want to control the narrative to protect their privacy,

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<v Speaker 4>but they also need the spotlight to amplify their message

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<v Speaker 4>and achieve their goals. It's a constant balancing act.

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<v Speaker 3>And we haven't even touched on the impact all of

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<v Speaker 3>this has on the people around them, you know, staff,

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<v Speaker 3>their collaborators, even their neighbors in Montecito.

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<v Speaker 4>That's an important point. The article does shed light on

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<v Speaker 4>the ripple effects of their decisions and actions, both positive

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<v Speaker 4>and negative.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a reminder that even those with the best intentions

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<v Speaker 4>can sometimes create unintended consequences.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, which brings us to the central question that lingers

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<v Speaker 3>after this deep dive. Can Harry and Megan truly win?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Can they achieve their goals, find fulfillment and earn the

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<v Speaker 3>respect they crave, all while navigating the treacherous waters of

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<v Speaker 4>Only time will tell, right, But one thing is certain.

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<v Speaker 4>Their story is far from over. They're still evolving, still

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<v Speaker 4>figuring things out, still searching for their place in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a fascinating journey so far, and I have

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<v Speaker 3>a feeling the next chapter will be just as captivating.

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<v Speaker 4>I absolutely agree, and this Vanity Fair article has has

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<v Speaker 4>given us a lot to think about as we continue

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<v Speaker 4>to follow their story.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a truly insightful conversation and to our listeners,

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<v Speaker 3>we encourage you to continue exploring this topic, forming your

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<v Speaker 3>own opinions, and staying tuned for more deep dives into

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<v Speaker 3>the most fascinating stories of our time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, and that is it for this edition of

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<v Speaker 2>Palace Weekly. Please follow us on Spotify, Apple or the

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