WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:02.600 This week on the latest episode of The Big Show, 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:06.559 our hearts are heavy as we celebrate the transition of 3 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:12.480 several celebrities, including Malcolm Jamal Warner, Ozzy Osbourne and Hulk Hogan. 4 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.760 We'll also continue well, actually we won't, but I'll explain 5 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:18.679 that in a second. We were going to continue our 6 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:21.600 countdown at the ultimate top one hundred Black television shows. 7 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:25.960 And in addition, we'll have reviews of The Fantastic Four, 8 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:31.239 the first steps in the Hulu series Washington Black. We'll 9 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.520 have all that, and trust me a whole lot more 10 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:38.439 on the latest episode Keeping It Real with Film Gordon. 11 00:00:38.880 --> 00:01:10.439 Let's good, all right, and welcome to the latest episode 12 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:14.120 of Keeping It Real with Film Gordon. I am Tim Gordon, 13 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.040 and I am joined by Charles Kirkland Junior. 14 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:22.159 Charles oh Man. Wow wow okay. 15 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:27.480 Chuck Mangione just passed away to yeah, wow man. 16 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:31.200 We can't. It's so funny. We literally are doing the show. 17 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:32.640 We do the. 18 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:36.120 Teas, and then I get an alert in the middle 19 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:37.439 of the teas right here. 20 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:43.480 Wow wow wow, how are you sir? You know they 21 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:46.840 say it used to be threes. We got four. Bam 22 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.519 bam bam bam. Wow gracious. 23 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:54.319 Yeah, well, we have a very interesting show coming up. 24 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.959 We'll talk about that in a couple of minutes. 25 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:57.879 Uh. 26 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:04.879 In addition, we were going to revisit the Ultimate Top 27 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:08.120 one hundred Black TV Shows and continue to count down, 28 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:11.599 and I decided, I decided at the last minute that 29 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:14.800 it was still half baked. 30 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:17.960 It still needs a little work. Well on the rephrase. 31 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:21.719 That we we had, we probably had the bottom of 32 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:25.960 the lists needed to be tweaked, and I was not 33 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:27.280 comfortable moving forward. 34 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:29.599 It's funny because the bottom of the list and that's 35 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:32.599 what we were going to be sharing, which is the 36 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:33.800 reason why we couldn't do it. 37 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:37.360 So Shane, from say one to about seventy week good, 38 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:41.159 The problem was about seventy one to one hundred, which 39 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:42.840 is what we were talking about today with. 40 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:47.639 Like yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's my fault. 41 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.159 Fault. No, No, that was actually not your fault, because 42 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:56.199 you know, we were we were working as a team, 43 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:58.919 and we just couldn't get to a consensus. I think, 44 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:00.240 I think that's the easy. 45 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:02.719 Way to say. We couldn't get to a consensus. 46 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:05.960 Literally within the last ten I think that was really 47 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.719 the big problem. And Charles Charles identified one today Charles 48 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:12.000 was like, we're not having that. That is too high 49 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:14.560 and we need a brand. We brought in town man 50 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.080 Charles spoke looked at it like let me let me 51 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:25.759 check it. He's like, Dango, Look, but Charles's eighty seven. 52 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:28.159 It needs to be ninety five. 53 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:33.400 Wow. So we I promise you next week we will 54 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:36.560 try to get back to this aldimate list because we 55 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.759 needed to be right right, because you know, we started 56 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.719 out one hundred and thirty six, whittled it down to 57 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:45.120 one hundred, and then, like I said, there's some movement 58 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.800 of trying to figure out there were certain shows that 59 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:49.919 I just thought was way too low, and I think 60 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:51.560 I shared with you the other day. I was like, 61 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.199 come on, man, this show has got to be higher 62 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:56.800 on the list. And then it's funny today you were 63 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:58.599 one of the first people to say one. 64 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:00.199 Should be lower, like too. 65 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:05.719 I So yeah, so we'll continue, uh the Ultimate Black 66 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.039 TV one hundred Top one hundred TV count Down, And 67 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:10.719 I promise it was a great list. 68 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.280 It really is because we spent a lot of time. 69 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:14.120 Uh. 70 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:17.439 Cordell Martin also who's a nominating chairperson for the Black 71 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.600 Real Awards, came in and you know, I told him 72 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.040 in the future whenever you are updating lists, you need 73 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:26.680 to send me all your movies. 74 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.240 One at a time. Because it was like, and what 75 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:30.920 about this one? And what about that one? I was like, 76 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:37.399 bro give me just by the end of the day. Bad, 77 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:39.199 I'm on my phone. I'm just doing them one of 78 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:41.560 the time. I'm like killing me right now. 79 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.600 So yes, we will revisit that next week, and then 80 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:48.800 also coming up a couple of very interesting projects coming 81 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:52.720 to both theaters and streaming platforms this week on Hulu 82 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:55.800 is Washington Black, which I literally. 83 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.199 Finished right before we came in here. 84 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:01.720 And of course we are as you can see us 85 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:06.399 wearing our four hats. We both went to the I 86 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.160 don't know. It's not a DC premiere. It was the 87 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:15.680 reopening of the National Museum last night. 88 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.319 Great experience last night watching that movie. 89 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:25.439 Yes, but but I'm not throwing the shade on it. 90 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:31.000 Chantilly is still better the air Buzz and Shantilly. That's 91 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:36.079 the first thing I said to myself. It's big. It's it's. 92 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:42.240 The air bus and Shantilly. I saw centers out there 93 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:43.079 a couple of months ago. 94 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:49.839 Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's good. Ten dollars every time 95 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:52.720 it is not bad at all. 96 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.199 You know, you know, you normally go like I remember, 97 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.800 you know, I tell the story. I've seen Centers now 98 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.319 six times, right, So I watched the two times at home, 99 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:03.920 but I saw it four times three times. 100 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:05.839 I paid for it, right. 101 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:10.120 So every time I saw Cinners, I actually saw Centers 102 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.519 on Imax every time. So the first two times were 103 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:18.360 regular AMC imaxes right right. The third time I saw it, 104 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.160 I want to say, was it was. I'm not sure 105 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:26.120 if the airbus in Chantilly was the fourth time, because 106 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:26.639 I saw it. 107 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:28.839 On another it was the fourth time. And then you 108 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:32.199 went to do the seventy millimeter one. Well, no, we 109 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:34.720 didn't get to the seventy milimeters. But I'm gonna tell 110 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:35.480 you what's gonna happen. 111 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.279 My I think that at the end of the year, 112 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:43.079 Warner Brothers is going to do something, Charles, you know 113 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:44.240 what I'm talking about. You know, at the end of 114 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.560 the year when they bring us out and they'll have 115 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.279 all the different studios showing the FYC movies. And I 116 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:52.639 promise you, how much do you want to bet right 117 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:56.839 now here in the middle of July that five months 118 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.279 from now are going into December, you know, because I 119 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.759 already got the contact of Warner Brothers, right, my girl, 120 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.000 who I told you about. I'm like, yo, I need 121 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:08.160 all the Centers swag and if you put it on 122 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.839 a seventy milimeters out. 123 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:11.839 I want to be in the house. 124 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.680 I already got the I got the frame posting just 125 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:19.439 s me a screening leak, and then I felt some 126 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:23.199 kind of wrong watching I told I told Charles the 127 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:25.360 story a couple of weeks ago. Maybe is it a 128 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:26.920 couple of weeks? So it was about a month now 129 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.199 that my television went out at home and I had 130 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.680 to buy a brand new TV and a brand brand 131 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.720 new soundbar, all this q E L D. 132 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:37.839 And the first. 133 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.839 Weekend I got it was the weekend that Max put Sinners. 134 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:44.600 So I watched Sinners. I was sitting there like, yeah, 135 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.279 turned the South of I was like, And then my 136 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.399 sister came to town the next day and then they 137 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:52.480 wanted to see Sentence. I had to watch it again. 138 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:55.399 So that's hints six times watching Centers. 139 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.439 So I'm the only one behind you, but I just 140 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:01.480 found five. I've seen it five times, but I just 141 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:09.600 found out that my sister in law hasn't seen it. 142 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.000 You sound like me I'm like, nobody's seen Centership, man, 143 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:13.839 Let's check it out. 144 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:17.399 You have seen Centers yet? 145 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:22.399 But yeah, Centers Sinners. So there are two things that 146 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.920 I know that are definite right now. Shane is kind 147 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:26.439 of going on one of them. 148 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:31.480 The movie of the year is Sinners. Best movie are 149 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:35.120 best hip hop album of the year? The clips? Let 150 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:38.639 God sort them out. You haven't listened to it yet. 151 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:42.320 We don't do music. Hints. 152 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.759 Why if I'm saying it on our show now? I 153 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.559 just talked to what's the name of that show that hip. 154 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:49.639 Hop one hip hop Corridor? 155 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:54.559 I always mess up this show, Troy and Dion, who 156 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:55.840 do a hip hop show. 157 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:56.120 Here. 158 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:59.519 We just had a lengthy conversation in the lobby about 159 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:05.120 the Cliffs new album, Amazing, Amazing. We don't do music 160 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:09.559 on the show. Led by the first song, Hey, Shane, producer, 161 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.879 we get in trouble. We played like a whole song 162 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:18.120 on our show. He said, so yes we can or 163 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:21.840 no weekend? I mean we can, oh man, So we 164 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.320 won't get distribution. Well, I mean sometimes you gotta take 165 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:28.240 a stand. You gotta take a stand even if you're 166 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:29.120 not getting distribution. 167 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:31.120 Sound like Aussie but okay. 168 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.799 Wow, here we go to get all right, So I'm 169 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.039 glad you brought that up. So let's segue into this man, 170 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:40.159 because we're gonna talk about let's talk about Chuck MANNGIONI 171 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.679 man first, and I don't have it up, but I 172 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:45.600 will just go by what I know as a guy 173 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:49.360 in the game. Nineteen seventy eight, Chuck Mangione had a 174 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.799 number one sev seventy seven. I walk out, Wow one year. 175 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:56.120 I'm off by a year and no notes, folks, no notes. 176 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:00.480 Nineteen seventy seven, Thank you, Charles. Chuck Mangione had a 177 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.320 song called is it Feels So Good? It feels so good? 178 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.639 Feels so good? Was the song of the summer for 179 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.360 for real. Could not go anywhere and not here. 180 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:23.240 Im. We can't cancel for real. 181 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:30.720 No, But I'm just trying to tell you, bro, I'm like, hey, man, so, 182 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.320 so what did you pull up about Chuck mans Young 183 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:34.440 because I know you pulled something up. 184 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:34.879 Well. 185 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.039 He passed at eighty four years old in his sleep 186 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:40.519 at his home in New York Rochester, New York. 187 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.519 Wow, So give me, give me some career highlights, because 188 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:44.559 you know that always happens. 189 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:46.240 Well, you know, after feels so good? 190 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:50.639 He was hired by the International Olympic Committee. If you 191 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:55.440 play the theme song for the nineteen eighty Winter Olympics, 192 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.799 give it all you Got, and I'm sure you remember 193 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:02.759 that one as well. He's been a fu horned trumpet player, 194 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:06.360 jazz composer with least more than thirty albums in a career. 195 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:12.320 And yeah, he's just been around forever. Bellavia, that album 196 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.559 was the album where he wanted Grammy for it feels 197 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:21.799 so good Belavia, Bella Villa, Belavio, something like that, you know. 198 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.080 And then yet he followed it up the next year 199 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:27.720 with friends and lovers, and he also was Grammy nominated 200 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:31.320 for that. So he's had one Grammy win, two nominations 201 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:32.159 for its albums. 202 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:37.240 Wow, all right, man, Chuck Manzione Man. We literally found 203 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:39.679 that out. That wasn't even on the original teas on 204 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:45.080 the Shocie and between Let's Go and then Welcome to 205 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:45.480 the Show. 206 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:46.799 Wow. 207 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:52.200 Wow, that has never happened before. And what is it 208 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:55.039 we started on nine sixteen years? 209 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:59.440 That is a first? Wow. I don't know what that 210 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:00.720 means though, is that? Yes? 211 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:01.600 Man? 212 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.159 A first for everything? That people are going home, brother, 213 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:06.600 that's what it means. 214 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.000 And speaking of going home, I wish I have a 215 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:14.039 colleague that that's close to both Charles and I Julian 216 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.720 Lytle who and actually you should be able to talk 217 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:23.519 about this Hu Hogan. Terry Terry jen Bolia, better known 218 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:26.879 as Hulk Hogan, talked to us about Hunk Hulk Hogan 219 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:32.240 at six foot seven, this superstar pro wrestling who passed 220 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.840 away this morning at the age of seventy one. 221 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.080 I can honestly say that I don't think that we 222 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.000 would have Netflix, WWE. I don't think we'd have The 223 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.000 Rock if it wasn't for. 224 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:47.320 Hulk Hogan. 225 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:54.080 Hulk Hogan. They started WrestleMania. He headlined Mainy Vented or 226 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:56.679 whatever you want to call it, eight of the first 227 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:03.120 nine WrestleManias, which was unheard. He literally put the WWF, 228 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:06.200 which it was at that time, on the map as 229 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:12.600 a credible source for sports entertainment. And I remember nineteen 230 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:17.639 eighty three, I was WrestleMania happened in my birth month, 231 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:19.840 so I was like, I was excited because it was 232 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:22.320 in Pontiac's Silver Dome in Detroit, Michigan. I was like, 233 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:25.120 I got family there, Let's go to Pontiac and let's 234 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:29.080 go to Detroit and go see WrestleMania, to which my 235 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.639 father was like, you were out your dang mind. We're 236 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:34.240 not going up there for you, like Papa, We're not 237 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:37.120 going up there for some wrestling. And I cried and 238 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:41.159 I moaned about not being able to see WrestleMania. That 239 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:44.120 I got to see the Jackson's Victory Tour that same 240 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:48.480 summer in Detroit, Michigan, because I complained to my uncle. 241 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.399 He's like, Oh, if you wanted to come up out 242 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.000 of I'd have brought you up. We could have watched it. 243 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:58.960 But yeah, it was Hulk Hogan that made WWF WWE 244 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:03.440 now what it is today. And even though he felt 245 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.440 on some hard times, you know, it came out because 246 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:09.799 when I put posted up with my family group and 247 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.799 one of them came back and talked about his racist 248 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:16.320 comments and that how he the last time he showed 249 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:22.120 up at WrestleMania when or WWE. When Netflix debuted in 250 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:25.360 Los Angeles, he was literally booed off the stage because 251 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:31.200 of the backlash for some of the comments that he's made. 252 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:35.600 But every time you saw him before that, he was 253 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.279 always Hulk Hogan. He was always in that character. Whenever 254 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:42.600 you saw he was never acting, even in the movies, 255 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:45.559 And I say this about the Rock He's not acting, 256 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.960 He's just being that same character that was in the 257 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.039 wrestling ring in all the movies and everywhere you saw him. 258 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.279 So it was unfortunate in the last few years that 259 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.759 he stepped out of that character and became more of himself. 260 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:04.320 People don't like the real Oa, but. 261 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.919 They love Huk Hogan And if it wasn't for him, 262 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:09.679 where would wrestling be today. 263 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:13.399 Well that's a very fitting tribute, Charles Kirkland. This is 264 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:15.759 Charles Kirkland's kind of Baillywick today. 265 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:17.080 This is your day. 266 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.879 Man, all right, So and now let's move on to 267 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.600 the man to describe as the Prince of Darkness. 268 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:27.799 Prince of Darkness, Ozzy Osbourne, also known as the Godfather 269 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:28.960 of heavy metal. 270 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:36.320 I'm listening to Charles. Okay, you want me to go now? Okay, No, 271 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:37.679 I'm not going to John Michael. 272 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:43.480 John Michael Osbourne got the nickname Ozzy as the street 273 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:47.559 as a young child on the playground and he carried 274 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.960 it ever since. He He was known for batting, biting 275 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.679 the heads off bats on stage and doves and other things. 276 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.720 He did it once well, I mean, but he was 277 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:04.759 known for that. You knew it, knew it again. Meeting 278 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:08.519 the frontman and founder for the band Black Sabbath. He 279 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:15.720 I mean several Grammy Awards nominations. Yeah, and for those 280 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.559 of you who don't know, he's been sampled over two 281 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:23.679 hundred and ninety times and had over six hundred covers 282 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:30.679 of his work, respected by an iced tea tribe called 283 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:36.080 Quest Bust the rhymes. I mean at the time when 284 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:41.480 he came out and the PMRC came out, a lot 285 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:45.720 of the people were saying that his music was terrible 286 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:50.159 and horrible and it needed to be and a lot 287 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:51.919 of rappers got caught up in it, and a lot 288 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.600 of musicians got caught up in it. And so when 289 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:57.840 he got placed on the Filthy fifteen, which you laugh about, 290 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.519 comment at the time was, Hey, I don't care what 291 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:05.200 they say. We're gonna keep on making music. And that 292 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.319 was the inspiration for a lot of rappers and musicians 293 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.240 at that time who picked up the mantle and said, Okay, 294 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.480 we're gonna keep on doing it no matter what they say. 295 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:16.559 Matter of fact, we got the record label, the Parental 296 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:21.599 Advisory Label because of the pr pm RC, and which 297 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.480 has been ridiculed because it seems like it makes more 298 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.480 people sell more records than less records by having that label. 299 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.519 So Ozzie was right. You just keep making your music 300 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.680 and people will and people will just fade into the distance. 301 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:41.559 All right, Well again another sparkling great job by Charles 302 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:46.039 Kirkland Shane Charles's he's nailing them, man, He's not no scripts, 303 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:48.200 He's just going from the heart. You know, these are 304 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:53.079 people who have Charles has really touched Charles, Yes and 305 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:58.039 so and last but not least, we lost Malcolm Jamal 306 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:03.240 Warner this week and for the first time, I think ever, 307 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.160 we've never featured two od bits, like two people who wrote, 308 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.160 you know, appreciations. I wrote one first. Charles called me 309 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.079 when we first got the news, and I wrote, we 310 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.960 remember Malcolm Jamal Warner nineteen seventy to twenty twenty five. 311 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:23.640 Charles wrote eulogy for a brother. So Charles, I'll let 312 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:27.920 you go first, man, talk about you know what you use, 313 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:32.880 the memories you shared, or your feelings around the passing, 314 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:36.559 the tragic passing. I would ask of Malcolm Jamal Warner. 315 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.079 It's it's kind of ironic because as you were talking 316 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.759 about the clips coming in, I was never that hip 317 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.720 hop kid like that. Growing up, I can listen to 318 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.559 a lot of things. Matter of fact, I didn't see 319 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:53.920 Printing concert, but I did see Ozzie with Metallica, and 320 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:57.119 before Metallica was big, they opened up for Ozzie and so, 321 00:18:57.720 --> 00:18:59.160 but Malcolm Jamal. 322 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.359 Warner on a second, Yeah, he's right here. 323 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:10.079 So Malcolm Jamal Warner when he came on The Cosby Show, 324 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.400 this was a role that spoke to me because I 325 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.039 lived that middle class life. Not it wasn't in the 326 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:19.359 hip hop world, and I wasn't in but I was 327 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:22.680 in the middle and so a lot of the things 328 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.640 that theo Huxtable went through were the things I experienced. 329 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:28.400 I grew up in a house full of women, and 330 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:31.279 he in a house full of women. So I drew 331 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:37.559 a kinship to theo Huxtable and thereby Malcolm Jamal Warner. 332 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.079 Malcolm named Malcolm Jamal Warner named after Malcolm X and 333 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.960 Ama Jamal uh So. I mean, I I've I've listened 334 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.920 to his spoken word, I've listened to I mean, I 335 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:53.200 just followed him all my life. And so when he's 336 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:58.160 like two years younger than me, but I again, to me, 337 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:00.559 he was the brother I never had because I don't 338 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.640 have any brothers, and that was a guy that I 339 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.960 was like, I just rock with him, and so when 340 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.480 to hear him pass it was it really hit me hard. 341 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:16.160 It really was a devastating blow because I'm like, that 342 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:20.119 is me, he's he was me, and so a piece 343 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:23.000 of me passed along with him as he you know, 344 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:26.640 even even the whole story about the rip current and 345 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:29.319 how he got caught in it and out there, I've 346 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:34.359 experienced that. I was younger and fortunate, but you know, 347 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:37.119 I came out the other side because I just I 348 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:38.880 didn't have the strength to try to fight the rip 349 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.440 current and I just got drug drugged out to the sandbar. 350 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:47.160 But it's it's a terrible loss for me. I don't 351 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.359 I don't know about the rest of the world, but 352 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:53.920 as we do our Top one hundred list, I'm expecting 353 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.400 the Cosby Show to be high up now, maybe even 354 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:02.000 higher because of because of this relevant topic. 355 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:06.240 Here for the record, sir, the Top one hundred list, 356 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:09.160 at least the first seventy was completed. 357 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.839 Before I know that, you know. 358 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:15.279 But just like just like we were working the seventy 359 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:16.640 one through one hundred. 360 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:17.359 We are not working. 361 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.440 We are not reworking one through seventy one through seventy 362 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:23.759 is set. So I will just say, so, don't be 363 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:27.920 thinking once we like, oh man, I had nothing to 364 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:30.039 do with with Malcolm Jamal warning. 365 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:30.680 But I can say that. 366 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:32.920 But I already know what the top one through seventy 367 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.640 are right, right, right right? 368 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:38.359 I got you. So tell me what you were feeling 369 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:39.720 when when you heard about this. 370 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.400 I'm just gonna go through a couple of notes that 371 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:45.319 I wrote that were in the piece. I called him 372 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:50.000 America's son because my memory was that, you know, for 373 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:51.119 as much. 374 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.119 What's the word to use, as much flack. 375 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:03.440 And criticism, and rightfully so, that Doctor Cosby has generated 376 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:08.400 over the last ten to fifteen years, people forget and again. 377 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.240 I was making a joke earlier about certainties. You know, 378 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:14.079 the album of the Year, movie the year. There are 379 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:16.160 a couple of certainties I can make about the nineteen 380 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:20.480 eighties because I lived in the nineteen Eightieska, There's no 381 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:26.000 album that I've seen before since it will ever top Thriller, Okay, 382 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:30.519 And there's no television show that I've ever seen before 383 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.680 or since that will top the popularity of The Cosby 384 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.000 Show in the mid eighties. It was literally it literally 385 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.079 was not just the number one black show on television. 386 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.039 Here's the number one one show on television for like 387 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:43.880 five years. 388 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:46.880 It made an NBC credible as a network. 389 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:51.119 Yeah, they created an entire block of programming saying that 390 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.759 notice around the Cosby Show and they called it must 391 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:54.599 see Thursdays. 392 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:54.839 Yep. 393 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:58.920 So all that started with The Cosby Show and theo 394 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.440 Huxtable was a huge part of The Cosby Show, right 395 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.960 and you go. But he was the son, yeah, to 396 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:09.160 Charles's point, he was the only boy in a family 397 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:13.920 full of women. And he was modeled after Bill Cosby's 398 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.599 about Mill Cosby's late son Ennis. So a lot of 399 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:20.920 the storylines about fatherhood, a lot of the things that 400 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.160 you know, he showed, like this, this the way they 401 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:29.359 showed black fatherhood on television through the relationship of doctor 402 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:32.319 Cosby and Malcolm Jamal Warner. 403 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:35.079 I thought it was brilliant. Oh, I'm brilliant, Like, like 404 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.640 it's funny. I have in my in my thing. 405 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:43.079 There's like three or four clips right of like famous episodes, 406 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:44.079 and like I think it might. 407 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:47.920 Have been the pilot when you know, he told his. 408 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:50.720 Father he was like, you know, hey, man, you know 409 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:53.160 you guys are being hard on me because he was 410 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.400 getting bad report com I just want to be a 411 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.160 regular kid, man, I come, I can't be, and everybody 412 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:01.079 class in the studio. 413 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:05.720 Audist Bill Gossey came back and went, that's the dumbest 414 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:08.359 thing I ever heard. No wonder you get SEEZ and 415 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:11.559 D's in school. So you had that moment. 416 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.200 What was the name of the famous oh my god, 417 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:18.559 the Gordion Trail shirt when when he goes his father 418 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.160 and says the shirt is ninety five dollars. He said, 419 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:24.559 the only kid that should be wearing a shirt that's 420 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:29.920 ninety five dollars is he's on stage singing with There 421 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.480 are all these classic moments, and then the other one 422 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:38.200 I'll in with why I says two remember when he 423 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:43.680 had forget his teacher played by Sonya Braga, who came 424 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:45.720 to the house and they you know, he had she 425 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.240 had something to give him, and they're having this pleasant evening. 426 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:53.200 She's got she's looking all normal, and she invites Steele 427 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.680 out to the living room and as this sitting there talking, 428 00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:59.039 she pulls her glasses out and she's putting. 429 00:24:58.799 --> 00:24:59.799 Her back up. 430 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.960 So there are so and I and I and and 431 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.599 and and trust me, if you're sitting at home and 432 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.920 you're like, man, I can't believe Tim and Charles and 433 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.079 shame is letting him talk about The Cosby Show. Cosm 434 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:17.440 shit was great. I'm sorry, I mean, what's this? I'm sorry? 435 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:22.160 The Cosby Show. It's a fantastic show. You might not 436 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.519 like the man whose name is on the show, but 437 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:31.119 you cannot discount, like the importance of that show, what 438 00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:35.200 that show actually did for not just black culture, but for. 439 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.000 The culture right, just for the culture. 440 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.440 So I say that that Malcolm Jamal Warner represented America's son. 441 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:47.279 I was on a show in Philadelphia and they brought 442 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.960 me on to talk about this, and I was like, 443 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:51.799 I never had an opportunity to meet him, never had 444 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:56.440 a chance to interview him. I learned so much about 445 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.359 him just this week with all the clips that I've 446 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:02.559 saw on YouTube, and I did. I want to finish 447 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.599 with a poem that I saw that tyreee Row did 448 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:07.279 you read about this? 449 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:09.079 You read this, Shane? Did you read of this? 450 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.440 The poem is called and I'm gonna read this called 451 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:16.599 the Gentle Giant Right, a poem attributed to our beloved brother, 452 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:19.960 Malcolm Jamal Warner and this is from a couple of 453 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.680 days ago. He said, Today we lost a gentle giant, 454 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:25.519 a man who won our hearts not by force, but 455 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.640 by quiet grace. From the very beginning, Malcolm Jamal Warner 456 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:34.759 reminded us that being calm, classy, sophisticated and soulful could 457 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.559 carry you far in life. He was the soft spoken 458 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.279 strength behind a generation's most beloved show. 459 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:42.599 We watched The. 460 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.920 CoV Show and saw for the first time a world 461 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.400 many of us had never known. A black family made 462 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:52.720 up of doctors, lawyers, artists and thinkers. Wow, a household 463 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:59.359 rooted in love and education, laughter and dignity. Let me 464 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:04.440 see if I'm readiness and right, I must have skipped 465 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:07.640 the part, so it says. Today we mourn what feels unimaginable, 466 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.519 a loss that cuts through nostalgia, through childhood, through what 467 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.319 we thought would always be My sincere prayers go out 468 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.400 to his wife, to his children, to his family, to 469 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.200 everyone who loved him, worked beside him, and walked life 470 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.119 with him. This tragedy hits us hard, not just because 471 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.799 of who he was on screen, but because of who 472 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:31.720 he remained when the cameras turned off. We lost more 473 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:35.359 than an actor. We lost the presence a gentle, regal, 474 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:39.839 beautiful soul who walked with dignity and reminded us, especially 475 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.319 as black boys and men, that you could be powerful 476 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:49.519 without being loud, important without being arrogant, respected, without. 477 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:50.200 Ever demanding it. 478 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:54.039 Today, as we sit in that grief and we say 479 00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:56.839 goodbye to a man who gave us more than entertainment. 480 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.759 He gave us hope, He gave us another way to exist. 481 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:05.559 Rest well, Malcolm, you were everything we needed. 482 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:06.799 Wow Wow. 483 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:12.279 That was from Tyrese Gibson wrote that dedication to Malcolm 484 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:13.319 Jamal Warner Man. 485 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.160 So yeah, this one hurts. 486 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:22.839 And not to diminish the families uh and friends of 487 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:28.720 Chuck Mangione, Hulk Hogan and Ozzy Osbourne, but Malcolm Jamal 488 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.799 Warner was our community, our community. 489 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:33.640 Rest in peace. 490 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.359 I literally hate that we have to keep doing these 491 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.759 and one day somebody, you know, it's so funny. I 492 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.680 was telling I think I was talking to Charles earlier today. 493 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.200 You know, I've been listening to Hamilton a lot, you know, 494 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.160 in the in the back of my mind, I keep 495 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.039 thinking about the closing song you know, who lives, who 496 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:58.480 dies and tells his story. Somebody has gotta tell the story. 497 00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:00.680 There are plenty of people who want tell the story 498 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:02.640 of Malthol, Jamal Warner and all of the folks that 499 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.759 we lost. But I think about it inwardly, like you know, 500 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:07.599 we live our lives, and at. 501 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.119 Some point, who's gonna Who's gonna tell our story? Man? 502 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:12.559 Who's gonna tell the story of Charles Kirklan Junior. Who's 503 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.400 gonna tell the story of Shane Lewis? Who tells the 504 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.480 Tim Gordon story? So we have to continue to keep 505 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:23.880 on pressing and hope that we leave enough work behind 506 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.839 that somebody. 507 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:26.680 Can continue to tell our story. 508 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.720 Man, Right, all right, sh we gotta flip the mood 509 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:35.640 up in here. Who twenty nine minutes after we are not, 510 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:39.160 as I said earlier, going to be doing our list 511 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.480 of our top one hundred to day, which was gonna 512 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:46.240 take up probably about three quarters of our show. So 513 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.880 we're gonna we're gonna talk about these movies today, And 514 00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:52.880 I'm not sure if we should start talking about them now, 515 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.240 because I really want to do a deep dive on 516 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.119 both these projects that I that we have this week, 517 00:29:59.559 --> 00:29:59.799 So I. 518 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:01.480 I think I'll get started now. 519 00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:04.079 Before I begin, Charles, did you get a chance to 520 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:05.359 watch Washington Black. 521 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.000 And I did not. Wow, this is gonna be a 522 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.000 Tim Gordon exclusive here, because. 523 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.079 All right, so maybe it's best that I didn't, because 524 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:13.960 you know, man, we'll see. 525 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:19.359 Okay. I don't know how to tackle that one. Is 526 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:23.440 not it's not negative. It's just that we have we 527 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.400 have views. 528 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.200 No, no, no, it's not that we have views. I'm 529 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.839 just gonna share a couple of things with Charles. Are 530 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.799 you looking at your screen, Charles big screen? So this 531 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.000 is this is the Washington Black review that I put 532 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:38.480 up a couple of days ago. You see that number 533 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.640 right there on a second of how many views it had? 534 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.240 You see right here? Yeah? Wow? 535 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.319 Yeah, man, it's a great review, man. So let's talk 536 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:53.160 a little bit about Washington Black. Washington Black, of course, 537 00:30:53.480 --> 00:31:00.240 is a series that debuted on Hulu early this week. 538 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:04.079 I think it dropped like Wednesday, right, and adapted from 539 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:08.480 ec ed of you Gan's acclaimed novel, Washington Black is 540 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:14.079 a richly imaginative, emotionally resented eight part mini series that 541 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:19.680 blends historical fiction, adventure, romance, and speculative realism to tell 542 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:24.079 a story rarely seen on screen. Charles Executive produced by 543 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:30.200 Sterling K Brown. The series transcends familion narratives of slavery 544 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:36.400 by centering hope, connection and the trans transformative power upart. Now, 545 00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.039 let me talk a little bit about this, which I 546 00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.559 found to be fascinating because I watch a lot of stuff, 547 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:46.359 and I'm not discounting anybody else's watch experience, but I'm 548 00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.759 telling you, I'll watch a lot of stories about enslaved people, 549 00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:54.680 and generally, whenever we tell these stories, no matter how 550 00:31:54.759 --> 00:32:00.279 hopefully they are, there's always Subjugation's always pain, and there's 551 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:01.519 always disrespect. 552 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.000 You're always being felt less than. 553 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.720 And I'm talking about when I say we talking about 554 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:09.400 the audience of people of color who have to sit 555 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.880 through these stories, to sit through the pain and the 556 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:14.000 trauma to. 557 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.480 Get to the hope and the inspiration on the other side. 558 00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:22.319 Well, guess what in this story with his place Tuma, Well, no, no, no, 559 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.799 In this story that happens in the early part of 560 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.960 the nineteenth century, yes, he is an enslaved guy who's 561 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.039 working in the sugarcane field somewhere over in the Barbados 562 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.559 for a hateful plantation owner. 563 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.400 Right. The one thing that the movie. 564 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.160 Doesn't show, outside of a couple of instances where people 565 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.400 might get smacked or some stuff like that. There's nobody 566 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.960 getting whipped. There's not an overabundance of trauma of you know, 567 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:57.799 even though there's slaves. It reminded me, ironically of a 568 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.720 Dave Chappelle skit right one set in his skin, and 569 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:08.039 I'm paraphrasing that black men don't ever have, we don't 570 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:12.839 ever have the ability to just be and just dream 571 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.759 and exists, right, because you know, we always are dealing 572 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.920 with with some sort of trauma. Well, this is a 573 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:24.119 story that happens doing slavery with the story of a 574 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.960 kid who's young. He might be five or six, but 575 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.039 he's you know, he's got a vivid imagination and he's 576 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:36.279 really really smart. And everybody in the community sees that 577 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.160 this kid could be something special and they protect him, 578 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:45.440 nurture him, hide him, and do whatever they need to 579 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.599 do to make sure that this kid can be allowed 580 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:54.240 to be who he is, which is radically different than 581 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:55.920 anything we've ever watched. 582 00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:57.720 In terms of that kind of story. 583 00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.359 In terms of that kind of story, like, this kid 584 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.880 was a dreamer who wanted to fly, right, and when 585 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:05.799 when they said wanted to fly, he was an inventor 586 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.480 who wanted to create a machine that could fly instead. 587 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.719 Of somebody going, boy, just sit your butt in the corner. 588 00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:11.800 Man. 589 00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.239 Anybody got no time for that. Man. 590 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.400 You better picked you Beta picked it better, chopped this 591 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:17.719 sugar cane and stopped playing. 592 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.480 He gets, he gets, he meets, and and also I. 593 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:26.679 Called it the Psalm twenty three six. Goodness and mercy 594 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:32.159 followed this kid all his entire life, his entire life. 595 00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:32.519 It was. 596 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.000 It was fascinating to watch. I went, huh, I haven't 597 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:40.239 seen this one before. So he you know, he even 598 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:43.239 though that he's on a plantation with a hateful slave owner. 599 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:48.159 The slave owners brothers an abolitionists who understands and sees 600 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:51.199 how special he is. And the slave master says, you 601 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.039 go in on, you can take this kid. So him 602 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.159 and the kid start all these adventures. Now, the thing 603 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.639 is interesting about it, because I couldn't figure this out myself, 604 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.519 is they only it's an eight part mini series, but 605 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.559 Hulu only gave you four episodes to review. So this 606 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:12.119 review that I wrote the first four episodes at the 607 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.280 pictures non stop. So I'm looking at the pictures and 608 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.760 I'm trying to download the pictures, and I'm like, and. 609 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.440 What point of the story is this kid, Cause this 610 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.119 kid travels all around the world. 611 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:26.400 Now we can remember this is the early nineteenth century, 612 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:29.320 so it's not like, you know, they were plays and 613 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.800 he can just jump on. No, this story happens. He's 614 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:34.840 in the Arctic, like, oh, of course in eight that's 615 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.239 he's in the Arctic. He's in Morocco, he's in Nova Scotia. 616 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.840 This is truly an international story that. 617 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.199 I think is so good. You literally should. 618 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.280 Take these eight episodes, put together a curriculum and just 619 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.719 taking the schools and just show it the kids. Because 620 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.719 by the eighth episode at the end, I was like that, 621 00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:04.199 what's happening? It is deeply emotional. I thought Washington Black 622 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.280 was brilliant. Washington Black is so brilliant, Shane, you ready, 623 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.480 the first four episodes I watched it, I said, I'm 624 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.760 gonna give it a B plus. By the time I 625 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.880 got to the end of the eighth episode, the B 626 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.039 plus got bumped up. 627 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:18.880 To a A. 628 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.719 I was like, Wow, Washington Black, which is on Hulu 629 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:27.079 right now, is frigging amazing. 630 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.760 Executive produced by Shirt I mean Sterling K. Brown. There 631 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:33.079 are and then you. 632 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.920 Can go go to to the film Gordon and just 633 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:36.679 read the review. 634 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:37.719 That's all I'll tell you. 635 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.800 Because I poured some stuff into this review because I 636 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.920 was feeling this show and I just kept on writing 637 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:47.519 and couldn't stop writing. I was like, yeah, it is 638 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.519 some more because there's now let me also say. 639 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.239 Because one of the things, and there was one thing. 640 00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:56.159 I had to add after the end, there's a there's 641 00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:01.079 a backstory for Sterling K. Brown's character that's in here 642 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:08.039 that is deeply touching. It is deeply touching and I'm 643 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.360 not gonna spoil it. Just watch the mini series. When 644 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.840 you get to that. Remember I told you how deeply 645 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.880 touching that whole thing is. And there are so many 646 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:23.480 great moments of people who are kind. Dude, just don't 647 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.360 have to be kind, who just kind to this kid. 648 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.960 I don't know what it was about this character, but 649 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.199 people just wanted to help this guy out because they 650 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.039 kept looking at him, going, you know, he's the one, 651 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.639 He's like neo, he can be somebody. So it is 652 00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:43.960 a very interesting mini series and for us, since we 653 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.000 also run the Black Real Awards for television, this will 654 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.199 not be the last time you hear about Washington Black. 655 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.519 I got a feeling that when nominations come for next 656 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:57.280 year's Black Real Awards for Television, Washington Black is gonna 657 00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:57.800 be in the mix. 658 00:37:57.880 --> 00:37:58.559 That's a good one. 659 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:04.360 If they don't forget God go Ernest Kingsley Junior. Yes, 660 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.000 he was absolutely amazing man. And he was the young 661 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.760 I'm sorry, that was the older version of Washington Black. 662 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:18.440 The younger version is played by Eddie Karanjah. So yeah, 663 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.360 really funny because you hear stories like in the hood 664 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:26.239 where you got a football player, basketball player, and everybody 665 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.719 protects him make sure he makes it out and becomes good. 666 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.400 That was our generation. Yes, that's our generation. But to 667 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.760 see this happening in the early nineteen hundred, No, this 668 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.519 is the early eighteen hundred. Oh okay, it's eighteen eighteen 669 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:40.320 twenty something like that. 670 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.000 Wow, I gotta see this. Yeah. 671 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.480 So, so Washington Black Man is on Hulu right now. 672 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:49.360 Once you finished listening to this and you turn this 673 00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:51.239 podcast off, just go and check it out. 674 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.199 I promise you grabbed the family. 675 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.400 Matter of fact, I grabbed mine last night and I 676 00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:00.320 think we got through the first two episodes, so still 677 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.320 got six that we need to go through. So that 678 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.559 is Washington Black. So any questions on Washington black, anything 679 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.360 else you want to know. 680 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:10.920 Eight episodes. I'm gonna all right, it sounds like a 681 00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:12.280 good bench. Yeah, all right. 682 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:16.760 So now let's talk about the movie The Hour, the 683 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.280 Fantastic for the first steps. Now, if you notice that, 684 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.079 I'm gonna pull it down so you can see both 685 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.000 Charles and I are wearing our four hats. 686 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:25.480 We had an. 687 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.880 Opportunity, as we said earlier in the show, to go 688 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.440 down to the Air and Space Museum here in Washington, 689 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.480 d C. Where they had the grand opening of their 690 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.559 Imax theater, grand reopening. Excuse me of their Imax theater, 691 00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:44.280 Thank you, Charles. We're still smaller than the air bussing. 692 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.400 I have to keep referencing that because I'm like, it 693 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:48.000 was nice. 694 00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:50.079 This is nice. 695 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.920 Now I will also add and and and as I 696 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.719 add this, this has nothing to do with how I 697 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.320 felt about the movies. But I thought it was pretty cool. 698 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.239 They gave us some swag. They gave us, uh, candy coopons, 699 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:07.800 candy with water and popcorn and. 700 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:12.280 Candy or soda like whatever you want. I thought that 701 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:14.079 was cool, Like don't forget the popcorn. 702 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.280 Yeah, yeah, so they can give you us thinking they 703 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.400 gave you a close back. 704 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.800 And they have what six options five six options. Yeah, 705 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:24.639 they had cheddar and sod cream. 706 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:27.800 They gave you options of candy, your gray candy, like, 707 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.159 grab something to drink, grab your little hat and get 708 00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.280 that man and sit down and watch this movie. 709 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.960 And uh, this is the thirty seventh movie, thirty seven 710 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:40.639 in the Marble Cinematic Universe. 711 00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:43.760 Let me set this thing up because I don't want 712 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:48.679 Charles thinking I'm disrespecting the Fantastic Four, because we have 713 00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:50.760 a we have a lot to say about this movie, 714 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:55.360 the thirty seventh movie in the Marble Cinematic Universe and. 715 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.440 The first in the sixth phase Phase six, Phase six. 716 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:03.400 Okay, thank you, that's a good point. Based on the 717 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:06.480 superhero team, the Fantastic Four, produced by Marvel Studios and 718 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:07.920 distributed by Walt Disney. 719 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:09.920 We talked about it being. 720 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.159 The thirty seventh film in the series in the second 721 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.800 reboot of the Fantastic Four film series. 722 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:16.800 The earlier one was two thousand. 723 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.079 And five, and then they did another reboot in twenty fifteen, 724 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.079 so it's every ten years we keep trying to make 725 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.239 the Fantastic Four. And we'll talk a little bit about 726 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.159 that momentarily. The film was directed by Matt Shackman, who 727 00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:32.159 was in the house last night. I sat in the 728 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.920 same row. Yes, yeah, he said, in our role last night. 729 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.679 I walked by him at the end squeezed the show. 730 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:44.360 I was like, good job, Maddie, spoiler, A good job. 731 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.000 The film features an ensemble cast which includes Pedro Pascal, 732 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:55.199 Vanessa Kirby, Ebon mass Bacarack, and Joseph Quinn as the 733 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.679 titular team, alongside Julia Gardner and Sarah Niles, Mark Gastus, 734 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.400 Natasha Lynn, Paul Walter. 735 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.800 Hauser, Natasha Leon what do I call her? Man? Thank you? 736 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:12.119 Natasha Leone, Paul Walter hey Hauser, and Ralph Inmoson. That's 737 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.039 why we have Charles here, because Charles is always about names, 738 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.519 all right, So Charles Kirkland Jr. The film focuses on 739 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:26.239 the Fantastic four whos who must protect the nineteen sixties 740 00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:33.000 inspired retro futuristic world from a planet devouring cosmic being Galactus. 741 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:39.320 And this is taking place now, this is key taking place. 742 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:43.599 On Earth eight twenty eight, right now. That's a that's 743 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:44.280 a good detail. 744 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.960 It's a very good detail because and I'll explain, because 745 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.960 everything that we've seen in the MCU has taken place 746 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.280 on six sixteen six, six sixteen. 747 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.239 I thought it was six two six? Is it sixteen sixes? 748 00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:58.800 I thought it was six sixteen. 749 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.400 Okay, six one six, okay, okay, all right, So everything 750 00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.360 we've seen is already comic books. But you know I 751 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:09.039 remember numbers. Well, oh yeah, okay, So yeah, we're in 752 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.239 a different universe than what we're used to. 753 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:14.920 And so you said in the first thirty six films 754 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.440 which happened in for the most part, and the MCU 755 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.840 were all on planet six one six universe in the 756 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.440 universe six one six, and now we're in universe eight 757 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:26.079 two eight. 758 00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:30.000 Correct to kick off phase six? Correct? Wow? All right. 759 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.239 I just wanted to make sure I set it up 760 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.760 for the audience go ahead. And it's perfectly logical. 761 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.840 Why because if it were, if the Fantastic Four were 762 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:40.760 part of six one six, people like where they were, 763 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.280 where they've been, because we've been going through some stuff here. 764 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.039 They're fighting a guy that is going to destroy the world. 765 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.840 You know, why couldn't you have about. 766 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.840 He's destroying trying to destroy the world in eighty two. 767 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.000 Eight and eight two eight, not in six one six, Yeah, 768 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:57.519 but in six one six we did fight a guy 769 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.000 that was trying to destroy the well in the universe. 770 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.639 We got cold. We got colds. Go ahead, man. 771 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.760 So yeah, that is a really good setup to let 772 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:12.719 us see how this world is totally different in how 773 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.480 the Fantastic Four, who's been by the time we joined 774 00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.239 them in this film, they've been a team for four years, 775 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:21.719 so they kind of take that Superman approaches and we're 776 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.360 not giving you the whole origin story. We just want 777 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:25.880 to drop you in the story and let you roll 778 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.320 with it. And so I really appreciate that because again, 779 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.559 we've all seen it, we know what's happening. And then 780 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:36.519 they allude to some of the things that have happened 781 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.039 to them and how they got to where they are. 782 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.880 So we get to see this developed team come together 783 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:46.119 and fight again a foe that they've never experienced before. 784 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:50.079 These literally in this world, the Fantastic Four are the 785 00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:53.360 protectors of the Earth. There's no other superhero team that 786 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:58.039 we know of this on a eight and so they're 787 00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.920 beloved because they save everybody, They work for everybody. They're 788 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.159 not they don't have to face the well, why are 789 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:08.599 you don't you fight for United States versus Europe or 790 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:12.800 fighting the man. Well that's you know, that's another story. 791 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:15.679 But even that part, you know, they didn't give you 792 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.039 that story. I mean, they didn't give you that battle. 793 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:20.039 They just gave you the story and let you roll 794 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.800 with it, so which was very interesting how they presented it. So, 795 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.920 I mean, am I supposed to say give my review 796 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:32.840 of this film of what I thought? I think that 797 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.239 this film is very successful in everything that they attempt, 798 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.920 the story as well. Put together. The actors are very 799 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:46.039 credible in their roles, the the relationships, and seem genuine 800 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:49.079 by everyone that's in the plot. They even flesh out 801 00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:53.519 the characters like the thing and the human torture in 802 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.880 a way that we hadn't seen before and in previous 803 00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.880 films they they're much simpler, but they have depth in 804 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:03.639 this film, which I really appreciated because I'm a big 805 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:07.320 fan of the comic books, and for those of us 806 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.679 who are big comic book fans, there are a couple 807 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.519 comic book references that happen in the movie that'll keep 808 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.760 us excited. But this is a story that is kind 809 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:18.360 of that is based on the comic books, but is 810 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:23.559 really completely original. So I thought it was very successful. 811 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:27.760 I thought it was done well. Eric Pearson, Jeff Kapman, 812 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:33.639 Irian Springer and Kat would write this story, and I 813 00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:36.880 think they do a good job. I really enjoyed the movie, 814 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:39.960 and I'm going to save my grade for after you 815 00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:41.119 give yours. 816 00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:46.320 Thank you, Giles. That was very well done, I wrote. 817 00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:50.760 And you know, I thought that the film, which featured 818 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.800 a mid nineteen sixties tone. 819 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:55.840 Matt Shackman and his production. 820 00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.840 Team really lean into the production design of the film, 821 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:01.760 which I thought. 822 00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:03.599 Really really worked, really really well. 823 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.840 I shared with Charles and we had a very heated 824 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:11.800 conversation early this morning pre show. 825 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.800 Heated the way. I was like, Charles, you man, you 826 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.480 never mind, but I was. I said that two. 827 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.519 Times we talked earlier in two thousand and five, and 828 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.239 then I think in two thousand and seven they did 829 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.519 fantastic for the Rise of the Silver Surfer, and then 830 00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:33.679 twenty fifteen they came back and did another rebook. 831 00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:37.559 Awful reboot. Oh you admit that one. Oh yeah, I 832 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.559 told you. Michael B. Jordan as Johnny human human torch. 833 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:48.000 I just said for the record that I Tim Gordon 834 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.679 didn't like either of these versions of the earlier films, 835 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:56.400 right either iteration and as a guy that didn't read 836 00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.920 the comics, which is why it's fascinating that Charles and 837 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.559 I have these conversations around comic book films. I may 838 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:05.679 not have read the comics, but I get to watch 839 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:09.079 the movies that you present, right, so sometimes they're based 840 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.400 on comics. I just heard you say that this one 841 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.559 is a wholy original story. So okay, either way, it 842 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.599 still works for me because I'm still watching. 843 00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:18.719 A movie now. 844 00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:21.599 In my mind, before I even went in to watch 845 00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.440 the movie, after the first two attempts by Fox to 846 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:29.000 make these stories, I was, like I used to always say, 847 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.320 especially when the MCU started, I was like, man, if 848 00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.960 Marvel LEVI got their hands on the Fantastic Four, I 849 00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.000 think they could do a really, really good job with 850 00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:40.480 this because Marvel really excels in storytelling, right, So that 851 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:45.440 aspect of the film, I was absolutely right. Now, I'll 852 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:51.719 also say that my feelings about the three previous films, the. 853 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:52.719 Bar was so low. 854 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:56.320 Marvel just had to show up and just give me 855 00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:59.519 a story and it would have worked. Right, So let's 856 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.920 just start there that I went in even with my 857 00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.639 popcorn and my candy and my drink and my Fantastic 858 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.880 four hat and I was like, man, they just put 859 00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:11.360 a story on the screen. This is a win, right, 860 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:15.360 so I'll go in and watch the movie. And I 861 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.639 also loved the fact that previously I just found that 862 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:24.199 these characters were just boring because the first three times 863 00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:27.960 I've watched these characters there was really they really didn't 864 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.840 capture the right tone of how to tell the story 865 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.800 of the Fantastic Four. Right, even though you don't know 866 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:38.239 what the story, doesn't really matter, because my point is 867 00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.719 is that when you asked me to watch something, I'm 868 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:45.800 looking at execution, cinematography, production design, constant design, screen I'm 869 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.159 listening to the screenplay, I'm looking at how to score, 870 00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:51.719 I'm looking at all the elements that make up a project, right, 871 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:55.719 whether it's streaming, whether it's on the big screen. And Marvel, 872 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.239 of course, really does a very good job because there 873 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.320 are a lot of I mean geeks that work at Marvel. 874 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.760 So even when they're telling original stories, there's still enough 875 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.960 stuff sprinkled in. Like there's a great scene that happens 876 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:14.000 earlier in the film when I think Sue is going 877 00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:18.199 to the United Nations to do an address and I 878 00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.079 didn't understand what was happening. Is they're paying the audience. 879 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:25.239 There's a certain character from a nation who's absent, who's absent, 880 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:27.000 And I was like, everybody's like whoa. 881 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.679 So I said what happened? And they told me. I went, oh, yeah, okay, 882 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:31.599 so that makes sense. 883 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:36.239 So Marvel Marvel does a really good job of the details, right. 884 00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:40.480 And I thought that the story actually worked. 885 00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:43.480 I was told a little bit about the movie by 886 00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.360 somebody who had watched it earlier this week, and he 887 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:50.440 was actually right that you know, if you're going in 888 00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:55.360 looking for like huge action, this is. 889 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:56.119 Not really a movie. 890 00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.159 This is sort of an origin story to build up 891 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.760 because Leo on in the MCU, They're going to be 892 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:06.519 things that we learn in this story that will help 893 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.320 us when we get the film thirty eight, thirty nine, forty, 894 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:09.960 et cetera. 895 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:10.440 Right. 896 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:15.000 But I thought, overall, the chemistry, which you didn't use 897 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:16.519 that word, it was like, you know, they got a 898 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:21.239 lot the chemistry between these characters, I thought really worked well. 899 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.480 I thought that for all of the bluster of two 900 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.519 hours of this film, there's literally only like about eight 901 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.880 or nine speaking parts of different people of the speaking 902 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:32.559 through the whole movie. If you really think about it, 903 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:41.360 it's a fantastic for their press agent the adversary below. Yeah. Yeah, 904 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.039 there's not a lot of there's not a lot of 905 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.199 not a lot of dialogue, like, not a lot of characters. 906 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:51.360 It really centers on these four individuals and what they 907 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.079 have to do to kind of move it along. 908 00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:54.559 In a two eight. 909 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.920 Now Here is where we diverge, right, because going into 910 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:03.280 this shame, I thought this is the fourth comic superhero 911 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.639 movie of the year, right, and. 912 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.800 Let be let's just call it what it is. I 913 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:10.880 was not a big fan. 914 00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.880 Of Captain America A Brave New World, and I really 915 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:18.119 wasn't a big fan of Thunderbolts, right. I really liked Superman. 916 00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:21.679 I really thought that what James Gunn did with Superman 917 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:26.719 was amazing R And I see this film by virtue 918 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:30.880 what I told you about. It's an origin story and 919 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.199 we're going to build up these characters later for them 920 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:37.960 to do amazing stuff. For me, I still think Superman 921 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:41.679 is the best comic superhero film of the first half 922 00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:46.760 of the year. That's my opinion, right. And I had 923 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:50.639 to go back in and change my grade on this 924 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.639 movie because I had it rated as. 925 00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:54.400 High as Superman. 926 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:57.360 I was like, Superman is better it's just a better 927 00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.239 movie at this stage. Now I get be wrong that 928 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.559 later on the Fantastic Four can develop, like maybe in 929 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.159 Part two, maybe part three, when there's some more adversaries 930 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:11.840 and some more action, maybe we got a different story. 931 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.079 This story is good. I'm not saying it's bad. It's 932 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.880 easily the best of the Fantastic Four iterations that has 933 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:20.440 been out there. 934 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:24.800 Marls marvels. The thing with this, you know, the cast 935 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:25.800 is superb. 936 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.360 I thought, you know, the whole sixties aesthetic works really, 937 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:33.119 really well. It's a well done movie. So having said that, 938 00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:36.119 I gave it a B, a straight bach straight B. 939 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.119 I had it at a B plus, but then I 940 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:42.519 had Superman at a B plus and it's not Superman. 941 00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:44.480 A Fantastic Four B. 942 00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:48.880 Now I know there are hardcore comic fans who are 943 00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:51.320 like Tim, you don't know what you talk about. You're tripping. 944 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.320 All I can watch, Charles is what you give me. Right, 945 00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.719 So there's no more to it, no less. 946 00:53:58.840 --> 00:53:59.679 I'm not hating. 947 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.880 I say, I'm glad to see that the Fantastic Four 948 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.320 is finally brought into the MCU and it's. 949 00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:10.880 Actually treated with some love. 950 00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:15.239 It looks good, it plays well, it's got a short 951 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.119 run time. There's a lot of positives, it's just not 952 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.880 a lot there other than the origin set up. 953 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:24.960 For me, now, I'm looking forward. 954 00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.360 To what they can do with this, and I'm positive 955 00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.199 that no one marvel with you know, there's two part 956 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.000 Avengers that coming up. Is this Secret Wars and then 957 00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:37.559 it's it's Doomsday. First Doomsday and then what Secret Wars? Okay, 958 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:39.559 then you know, so I gave it a B. So 959 00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:40.320 what did you give it? 960 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.760 I wanted to give it an A minus, but I 961 00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:48.519 stayed with the B plus. And I look back and 962 00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:51.360 I say, it's the same grade that as Superman. But 963 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:55.480 unlike you, I think that this film is superior in 964 00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.880 theme and tone than to Superman, because there were some 965 00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:03.159 things about Superman that just didn't line up. For an instance, 966 00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:06.360 they really were mad with Superman because he was an 967 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:08.639 alien coming to this planet, but they didn't have a 968 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:11.480 problem with Hawk Girl and she's an alien it come 969 00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.119 to the planet and she's in part of. 970 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:13.800 The Justice Gang. 971 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.960 Did she get into that kind of hate? So there, 972 00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:19.000 I mean, there were some things that I felt like 973 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.400 that happened in Superman. Superman is a great film, but 974 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:27.119 I think that as the time goes by, that some 975 00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:31.719 of the themes that were relevant and important that Superman 976 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:36.599 Express will have dissowaited. And the themes that are in 977 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:41.760 the Fantastic Four are about family and hope and building 978 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:45.679 the community. Those things are going to last. And I 979 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:50.800 think that over time that this movie will be last 980 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:53.760 a lot better. It will communicate, you know how you 981 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.280 say sometimes a movie doesn't age well. I think that 982 00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.760 the Fantastic Four will age a lot better. And it's 983 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.519 in this story because it is more of a universal 984 00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.119 theme that people will be able to relate to, not 985 00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:06.599 just now, but in the future. 986 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:07.760 All Right. 987 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.800 See, see, this is why we should have fights early 988 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:11.880 in the day, because. 989 00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:16.880 It's time and now this was not we had earlier. 990 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:21.000 Charles called me a movie snob, and he called me 991 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:23.400 all kinds of stuff, and I was like, but bro, 992 00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:24.559 we're doing the same thing. 993 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:24.760 Man. 994 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.880 You act like you're a plumber who reviews movies. You're 995 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.320 a film critic just like I am. And Charles hit 996 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:32.199 me with you know, at the church, right, you have 997 00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:35.159 two pastors and then one is delivering the south. It's like, 998 00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.079 okay to sha. You had to you had to bring 999 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:38.880 God into it to get me up off you. But 1000 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:40.599 it's all right, It's all right. 1001 00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.039 That's what he's saying for it. He's my protector, he's 1002 00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:47.880 my strong tower, my refuge. Wow. And what am I 1003 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:52.199 supposed to say to that? You're wrong? All right? 1004 00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:56.079 So okay, so the two films just go over this 1005 00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:57.840 one more time. So the two films we talked about 1006 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.440 this on the two projects. I just say, we talked 1007 00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:04.159 about this weekend. I gave an A to Washington Black. 1008 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.159 I thought Washington Black was really really. 1009 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.320 Let me ask you this question, Yes, is this a 1010 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.559 TV A or is this a film A? Or is 1011 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.280 there a difference? There's no difference, man, I mean, Washing 1012 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:21.000 Black is better than Superman. Mm hmm. And and. 1013 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:28.480 To me, okay, I'm just let me phrase that, they're okay. 1014 00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.280 That's a good question. That's a good question that I 1015 00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:34.119 think about it. These projects are all different, man. So 1016 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:38.159 when you you know, there's stuff, there's documentaries, like I 1017 00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:41.079 gave Lutheran A so you're like, luth is better than 1018 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:47.119 Superman and Superman was a documentary. But no, I think 1019 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:52.199 I think Washington Black sometimes and I'm just gonna be transparent. 1020 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:56.000 Sometimes you you you're giving grades the movies man, because 1021 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.519 they exceed what you think they are, right, and I 1022 00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.199 think that you know, not to say that Fantastic four 1023 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:04.559 exceeded what I thought it was, but the first three 1024 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.920 were so not not my cup of tea, and this 1025 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.679 one actually works. I can actually watch this again. Yeah, 1026 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:15.360 I can actually watch the Fantastic for the first Steps again. 1027 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.920 But yeah, all right, man, So we're getting ready to 1028 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:21.760 get out of here now because Shane has got us 1029 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.599 on the straight fifty eight count. As we tell you 1030 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.639 every week, man, please see something good at the movies. 1031 00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.440 We gave you a couple of options, and always remember 1032 00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:32.840 to keep it real, keep it strong. 1033 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:38.760 I messed that up. We'll see you next week. Take care, 1034 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.039 Charles was waiting. I messed it up, man, I messed 1035 00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:52.239 it up. Next week. We'll see you guys,