Speaker 1: This week on the latest episode of The Big Show,
Speaker 1: our hearts are heavy as we celebrate the transition of
Speaker 1: several celebrities, including Malcolm Jamal Warner, Ozzy Osbourne and Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 1: We'll also continue well, actually we won't, but I'll explain
Speaker 1: that in a second. We were going to continue our
Speaker 1: countdown at the ultimate top one hundred Black television shows.
Speaker 1: And in addition, we'll have reviews of The Fantastic Four,
Speaker 1: the first steps in the Hulu series Washington Black. We'll
Speaker 1: have all that, and trust me a whole lot more
Speaker 1: on the latest episode Keeping It Real with Film Gordon.
Speaker 1: Let's good, all right, and welcome to the latest episode
Speaker 1: of Keeping It Real with Film Gordon. I am Tim Gordon,
Speaker 1: and I am joined by Charles Kirkland Junior.
Speaker 2: Charles oh Man. Wow wow okay.
Speaker 1: Chuck Mangione just passed away to yeah, wow man.
Speaker 2: We can't. It's so funny. We literally are doing the show.
Speaker 3: We do the.
Speaker 1: Teas, and then I get an alert in the middle
Speaker 1: of the teas right here.
Speaker 3: Wow wow wow, how are you sir? You know they
Speaker 3: say it used to be threes. We got four. Bam
Speaker 3: bam bam bam. Wow gracious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we have a very interesting show coming up.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: In addition, we were going to revisit the Ultimate Top
Speaker 1: one hundred Black TV Shows and continue to count down,
Speaker 1: and I decided, I decided at the last minute that
Speaker 1: it was still half baked.
Speaker 2: It still needs a little work. Well on the rephrase.
Speaker 1: That we we had, we probably had the bottom of
Speaker 1: the lists needed to be tweaked, and I was not
Speaker 1: comfortable moving forward.
Speaker 3: It's funny because the bottom of the list and that's
Speaker 3: what we were going to be sharing, which is the
Speaker 3: reason why we couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: So Shane, from say one to about seventy week good,
Speaker 1: The problem was about seventy one to one hundred, which
Speaker 1: is what we were talking about today with.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's my fault.
Speaker 1: Fault. No, No, that was actually not your fault, because
Speaker 1: you know, we were we were working as a team,
Speaker 1: and we just couldn't get to a consensus. I think,
Speaker 1: I think that's the easy.
Speaker 2: Way to say. We couldn't get to a consensus.
Speaker 1: Literally within the last ten I think that was really
Speaker 1: the big problem. And Charles Charles identified one today Charles
Speaker 1: was like, we're not having that. That is too high
Speaker 1: and we need a brand. We brought in town man
Speaker 1: Charles spoke looked at it like let me let me
Speaker 1: check it. He's like, Dango, Look, but Charles's eighty seven.
Speaker 2: It needs to be ninety five.
Speaker 1: Wow. So we I promise you next week we will
Speaker 1: try to get back to this aldimate list because we
Speaker 1: needed to be right right, because you know, we started
Speaker 1: out one hundred and thirty six, whittled it down to
Speaker 1: one hundred, and then, like I said, there's some movement
Speaker 1: of trying to figure out there were certain shows that
Speaker 1: I just thought was way too low, and I think
Speaker 1: I shared with you the other day. I was like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, this show has got to be higher
Speaker 1: on the list. And then it's funny today you were
Speaker 1: one of the first people to say one.
Speaker 2: Should be lower, like too.
Speaker 1: I So yeah, so we'll continue, uh the Ultimate Black
Speaker 1: TV one hundred Top one hundred TV count Down, And
Speaker 1: I promise it was a great list.
Speaker 2: It really is because we spent a lot of time.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Cordell Martin also who's a nominating chairperson for the Black
Speaker 1: Real Awards, came in and you know, I told him
Speaker 1: in the future whenever you are updating lists, you need
Speaker 1: to send me all your movies.
Speaker 2: One at a time. Because it was like, and what
Speaker 2: about this one? And what about that one? I was like,
Speaker 2: bro give me just by the end of the day. Bad,
Speaker 2: I'm on my phone. I'm just doing them one of
Speaker 2: the time. I'm like killing me right now.
Speaker 1: So yes, we will revisit that next week, and then
Speaker 1: also coming up a couple of very interesting projects coming
Speaker 1: to both theaters and streaming platforms this week on Hulu
Speaker 1: is Washington Black, which I literally.
Speaker 2: Finished right before we came in here.
Speaker 1: And of course we are as you can see us
Speaker 1: wearing our four hats. We both went to the I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's not a DC premiere. It was the
Speaker 1: reopening of the National Museum last night.
Speaker 2: Great experience last night watching that movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, but but I'm not throwing the shade on it.
Speaker 2: Chantilly is still better the air Buzz and Shantilly. That's
Speaker 2: the first thing I said to myself. It's big. It's it's.
Speaker 1: The air bus and Shantilly. I saw centers out there
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's good. Ten dollars every time
Speaker 2: it is not bad at all.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you normally go like I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, I tell the story. I've seen Centers now
Speaker 1: six times, right, So I watched the two times at home,
Speaker 1: but I saw it four times three times.
Speaker 2: I paid for it, right.
Speaker 1: So every time I saw Cinners, I actually saw Centers
Speaker 1: on Imax every time. So the first two times were
Speaker 1: regular AMC imaxes right right. The third time I saw it,
Speaker 1: I want to say, was it was. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if the airbus in Chantilly was the fourth time, because
Speaker 1: I saw it.
Speaker 3: On another it was the fourth time. And then you
Speaker 3: went to do the seventy millimeter one. Well, no, we
Speaker 3: didn't get to the seventy milimeters. But I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: My I think that at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers is going to do something, Charles, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. You know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the year when they bring us out and they'll have
Speaker 1: all the different studios showing the FYC movies. And I
Speaker 1: promise you, how much do you want to bet right
Speaker 1: now here in the middle of July that five months
Speaker 1: from now are going into December, you know, because I
Speaker 1: already got the contact of Warner Brothers, right, my girl,
Speaker 1: who I told you about. I'm like, yo, I need
Speaker 1: all the Centers swag and if you put it on
Speaker 1: a seventy milimeters out.
Speaker 2: I want to be in the house.
Speaker 1: I already got the I got the frame posting just
Speaker 1: s me a screening leak, and then I felt some
Speaker 1: kind of wrong watching I told I told Charles the
Speaker 1: story a couple of weeks ago. Maybe is it a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks? So it was about a month now
Speaker 1: that my television went out at home and I had
Speaker 1: to buy a brand new TV and a brand brand
Speaker 1: new soundbar, all this q E L D.
Speaker 2: And the first.
Speaker 1: Weekend I got it was the weekend that Max put Sinners.
Speaker 1: So I watched Sinners. I was sitting there like, yeah,
Speaker 1: turned the South of I was like, And then my
Speaker 1: sister came to town the next day and then they
Speaker 1: wanted to see Sentence. I had to watch it again.
Speaker 1: So that's hints six times watching Centers.
Speaker 3: So I'm the only one behind you, but I just
Speaker 3: found five. I've seen it five times, but I just
Speaker 3: found out that my sister in law hasn't seen it.
Speaker 1: You sound like me I'm like, nobody's seen Centership, man,
Speaker 1: Let's check it out.
Speaker 2: You have seen Centers yet?
Speaker 1: But yeah, Centers Sinners. So there are two things that
Speaker 1: I know that are definite right now. Shane is kind
Speaker 1: of going on one of them.
Speaker 2: The movie of the year is Sinners. Best movie are
Speaker 2: best hip hop album of the year? The clips? Let
Speaker 2: God sort them out. You haven't listened to it yet.
Speaker 2: We don't do music. Hints.
Speaker 1: Why if I'm saying it on our show now? I
Speaker 1: just talked to what's the name of that show that hip.
Speaker 2: Hop one hip hop Corridor?
Speaker 1: I always mess up this show, Troy and Dion, who
Speaker 1: do a hip hop show.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: We just had a lengthy conversation in the lobby about
Speaker 1: the Cliffs new album, Amazing, Amazing. We don't do music
Speaker 1: on the show. Led by the first song, Hey, Shane, producer,
Speaker 1: we get in trouble. We played like a whole song
Speaker 1: on our show. He said, so yes we can or
Speaker 1: no weekend? I mean we can, oh man, So we
Speaker 1: won't get distribution. Well, I mean sometimes you gotta take
Speaker 1: a stand. You gotta take a stand even if you're
Speaker 1: not getting distribution.
Speaker 2: Sound like Aussie but okay.
Speaker 1: Wow, here we go to get all right, So I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up. So let's segue into this man,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk about let's talk about Chuck MANNGIONI
Speaker 1: man first, and I don't have it up, but I
Speaker 1: will just go by what I know as a guy
Speaker 1: in the game. Nineteen seventy eight, Chuck Mangione had a
Speaker 1: number one sev seventy seven. I walk out, Wow one year.
Speaker 1: I'm off by a year and no notes, folks, no notes.
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy seven, Thank you, Charles. Chuck Mangione had a
Speaker 1: song called is it Feels So Good? It feels so good?
Speaker 1: Feels so good? Was the song of the summer for
Speaker 1: for real. Could not go anywhere and not here.
Speaker 2: Im. We can't cancel for real.
Speaker 1: No, But I'm just trying to tell you, bro, I'm like, hey, man, so,
Speaker 1: so what did you pull up about Chuck mans Young
Speaker 1: because I know you pulled something up.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: He passed at eighty four years old in his sleep
Speaker 3: at his home in New York Rochester, New York.
Speaker 1: Wow, So give me, give me some career highlights, because
Speaker 1: you know that always happens.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, after feels so good?
Speaker 3: He was hired by the International Olympic Committee. If you
Speaker 3: play the theme song for the nineteen eighty Winter Olympics,
Speaker 3: give it all you Got, and I'm sure you remember
Speaker 3: that one as well. He's been a fu horned trumpet player,
Speaker 3: jazz composer with least more than thirty albums in a career.
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's just been around forever. Bellavia, that album
Speaker 3: was the album where he wanted Grammy for it feels
Speaker 3: so good Belavia, Bella Villa, Belavio, something like that, you know.
Speaker 3: And then yet he followed it up the next year
Speaker 3: with friends and lovers, and he also was Grammy nominated
Speaker 3: for that. So he's had one Grammy win, two nominations
Speaker 3: for its albums.
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, man, Chuck Manzione Man. We literally found
Speaker 1: that out. That wasn't even on the original teas on
Speaker 1: the Shocie and between Let's Go and then Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Show.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, that has never happened before. And what is it
Speaker 1: we started on nine sixteen years?
Speaker 2: That is a first? Wow. I don't know what that
Speaker 2: means though, is that? Yes?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: A first for everything? That people are going home, brother,
Speaker 2: that's what it means.
Speaker 1: And speaking of going home, I wish I have a
Speaker 1: colleague that that's close to both Charles and I Julian
Speaker 1: Lytle who and actually you should be able to talk
Speaker 1: about this Hu Hogan. Terry Terry jen Bolia, better known
Speaker 1: as Hulk Hogan, talked to us about Hunk Hulk Hogan
Speaker 1: at six foot seven, this superstar pro wrestling who passed
Speaker 1: away this morning at the age of seventy one.
Speaker 3: I can honestly say that I don't think that we
Speaker 3: would have Netflix, WWE. I don't think we'd have The
Speaker 3: Rock if it wasn't for.
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan. They started WrestleMania. He headlined Mainy Vented or
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, eight of the first
Speaker 3: nine WrestleManias, which was unheard. He literally put the WWF,
Speaker 3: which it was at that time, on the map as
Speaker 3: a credible source for sports entertainment. And I remember nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty three, I was WrestleMania happened in my birth month,
Speaker 3: so I was like, I was excited because it was
Speaker 3: in Pontiac's Silver Dome in Detroit, Michigan. I was like,
Speaker 3: I got family there, Let's go to Pontiac and let's
Speaker 3: go to Detroit and go see WrestleMania, to which my
Speaker 3: father was like, you were out your dang mind. We're
Speaker 3: not going up there for you, like Papa, We're not
Speaker 3: going up there for some wrestling. And I cried and
Speaker 3: I moaned about not being able to see WrestleMania. That
Speaker 3: I got to see the Jackson's Victory Tour that same
Speaker 3: summer in Detroit, Michigan, because I complained to my uncle.
Speaker 3: He's like, Oh, if you wanted to come up out
Speaker 3: of I'd have brought you up. We could have watched it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was Hulk Hogan that made WWF WWE
Speaker 3: now what it is today. And even though he felt
Speaker 3: on some hard times, you know, it came out because
Speaker 3: when I put posted up with my family group and
Speaker 3: one of them came back and talked about his racist
Speaker 3: comments and that how he the last time he showed
Speaker 3: up at WrestleMania when or WWE. When Netflix debuted in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, he was literally booed off the stage because
Speaker 3: of the backlash for some of the comments that he's made.
Speaker 3: But every time you saw him before that, he was
Speaker 3: always Hulk Hogan. He was always in that character. Whenever
Speaker 3: you saw he was never acting, even in the movies,
Speaker 3: And I say this about the Rock He's not acting,
Speaker 3: He's just being that same character that was in the
Speaker 3: wrestling ring in all the movies and everywhere you saw him.
Speaker 3: So it was unfortunate in the last few years that
Speaker 3: he stepped out of that character and became more of himself.
Speaker 2: People don't like the real Oa, but.
Speaker 3: They love Huk Hogan And if it wasn't for him,
Speaker 3: where would wrestling be today.
Speaker 1: Well that's a very fitting tribute, Charles Kirkland. This is
Speaker 1: Charles Kirkland's kind of Baillywick today.
Speaker 2: This is your day.
Speaker 1: Man, all right, So and now let's move on to
Speaker 1: the man to describe as the Prince of Darkness.
Speaker 3: Prince of Darkness, Ozzy Osbourne, also known as the Godfather
Speaker 3: of heavy metal.
Speaker 2: I'm listening to Charles. Okay, you want me to go now? Okay, No,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to John Michael.
Speaker 3: John Michael Osbourne got the nickname Ozzy as the street
Speaker 3: as a young child on the playground and he carried
Speaker 3: it ever since. He He was known for batting, biting
Speaker 3: the heads off bats on stage and doves and other things.
Speaker 3: He did it once well, I mean, but he was
Speaker 3: known for that. You knew it, knew it again. Meeting
Speaker 3: the frontman and founder for the band Black Sabbath. He
Speaker 3: I mean several Grammy Awards nominations. Yeah, and for those
Speaker 3: of you who don't know, he's been sampled over two
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety times and had over six hundred covers
Speaker 3: of his work, respected by an iced tea tribe called
Speaker 3: Quest Bust the rhymes. I mean at the time when
Speaker 3: he came out and the PMRC came out, a lot
Speaker 3: of the people were saying that his music was terrible
Speaker 3: and horrible and it needed to be and a lot
Speaker 3: of rappers got caught up in it, and a lot
Speaker 3: of musicians got caught up in it. And so when
Speaker 3: he got placed on the Filthy fifteen, which you laugh about,
Speaker 3: comment at the time was, Hey, I don't care what
Speaker 3: they say. We're gonna keep on making music. And that
Speaker 3: was the inspiration for a lot of rappers and musicians
Speaker 3: at that time who picked up the mantle and said, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna keep on doing it no matter what they say.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, we got the record label, the Parental
Speaker 3: Advisory Label because of the pr pm RC, and which
Speaker 3: has been ridiculed because it seems like it makes more
Speaker 3: people sell more records than less records by having that label.
Speaker 3: So Ozzie was right. You just keep making your music
Speaker 3: and people will and people will just fade into the distance.
Speaker 1: All right, Well again another sparkling great job by Charles
Speaker 1: Kirkland Shane Charles's he's nailing them, man, He's not no scripts,
Speaker 1: He's just going from the heart. You know, these are
Speaker 1: people who have Charles has really touched Charles, Yes and
Speaker 1: so and last but not least, we lost Malcolm Jamal
Speaker 1: Warner this week and for the first time, I think ever,
Speaker 1: we've never featured two od bits, like two people who wrote,
Speaker 1: you know, appreciations. I wrote one first. Charles called me
Speaker 1: when we first got the news, and I wrote, we
Speaker 1: remember Malcolm Jamal Warner nineteen seventy to twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Charles wrote eulogy for a brother. So Charles, I'll let
Speaker 1: you go first, man, talk about you know what you use,
Speaker 1: the memories you shared, or your feelings around the passing,
Speaker 1: the tragic passing. I would ask of Malcolm Jamal Warner.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of ironic because as you were talking
Speaker 3: about the clips coming in, I was never that hip
Speaker 3: hop kid like that. Growing up, I can listen to
Speaker 3: a lot of things. Matter of fact, I didn't see
Speaker 3: Printing concert, but I did see Ozzie with Metallica, and
Speaker 3: before Metallica was big, they opened up for Ozzie and so,
Speaker 3: but Malcolm Jamal.
Speaker 2: Warner on a second, Yeah, he's right here.
Speaker 3: So Malcolm Jamal Warner when he came on The Cosby Show,
Speaker 3: this was a role that spoke to me because I
Speaker 3: lived that middle class life. Not it wasn't in the
Speaker 3: hip hop world, and I wasn't in but I was
Speaker 3: in the middle and so a lot of the things
Speaker 3: that theo Huxtable went through were the things I experienced.
Speaker 3: I grew up in a house full of women, and
Speaker 3: he in a house full of women. So I drew
Speaker 3: a kinship to theo Huxtable and thereby Malcolm Jamal Warner.
Speaker 3: Malcolm named Malcolm Jamal Warner named after Malcolm X and
Speaker 3: Ama Jamal uh So. I mean, I I've I've listened
Speaker 3: to his spoken word, I've listened to I mean, I
Speaker 3: just followed him all my life. And so when he's
Speaker 3: like two years younger than me, but I again, to me,
Speaker 3: he was the brother I never had because I don't
Speaker 3: have any brothers, and that was a guy that I
Speaker 3: was like, I just rock with him, and so when
Speaker 3: to hear him pass it was it really hit me hard.
Speaker 3: It really was a devastating blow because I'm like, that
Speaker 3: is me, he's he was me, and so a piece
Speaker 3: of me passed along with him as he you know,
Speaker 3: even even the whole story about the rip current and
Speaker 3: how he got caught in it and out there, I've
Speaker 3: experienced that. I was younger and fortunate, but you know,
Speaker 3: I came out the other side because I just I
Speaker 3: didn't have the strength to try to fight the rip
Speaker 3: current and I just got drug drugged out to the sandbar.
Speaker 3: But it's it's a terrible loss for me. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't know about the rest of the world, but
Speaker 3: as we do our Top one hundred list, I'm expecting
Speaker 3: the Cosby Show to be high up now, maybe even
Speaker 3: higher because of because of this relevant topic.
Speaker 1: Here for the record, sir, the Top one hundred list,
Speaker 1: at least the first seventy was completed.
Speaker 2: Before I know that, you know.
Speaker 3: But just like just like we were working the seventy
Speaker 3: one through one hundred.
Speaker 2: We are not working.
Speaker 1: We are not reworking one through seventy one through seventy
Speaker 1: is set. So I will just say, so, don't be
Speaker 1: thinking once we like, oh man, I had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with with Malcolm Jamal warning.
Speaker 2: But I can say that.
Speaker 3: But I already know what the top one through seventy
Speaker 3: are right, right, right right?
Speaker 2: I got you. So tell me what you were feeling
Speaker 2: when when you heard about this.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go through a couple of notes that
Speaker 1: I wrote that were in the piece. I called him
Speaker 1: America's son because my memory was that, you know, for
Speaker 1: as much.
Speaker 2: What's the word to use, as much flack.
Speaker 1: And criticism, and rightfully so, that Doctor Cosby has generated
Speaker 1: over the last ten to fifteen years, people forget and again.
Speaker 1: I was making a joke earlier about certainties. You know,
Speaker 1: the album of the Year, movie the year. There are
Speaker 1: a couple of certainties I can make about the nineteen
Speaker 1: eighties because I lived in the nineteen Eightieska, There's no
Speaker 1: album that I've seen before since it will ever top Thriller, Okay,
Speaker 1: And there's no television show that I've ever seen before
Speaker 1: or since that will top the popularity of The Cosby
Speaker 1: Show in the mid eighties. It was literally it literally
Speaker 1: was not just the number one black show on television.
Speaker 1: Here's the number one one show on television for like
Speaker 1: five years.
Speaker 2: It made an NBC credible as a network.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they created an entire block of programming saying that
Speaker 1: notice around the Cosby Show and they called it must
Speaker 1: see Thursdays.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So all that started with The Cosby Show and theo
Speaker 1: Huxtable was a huge part of The Cosby Show, right
Speaker 1: and you go. But he was the son, yeah, to
Speaker 1: Charles's point, he was the only boy in a family
Speaker 1: full of women. And he was modeled after Bill Cosby's
Speaker 1: about Mill Cosby's late son Ennis. So a lot of
Speaker 1: the storylines about fatherhood, a lot of the things that
Speaker 1: you know, he showed, like this, this the way they
Speaker 1: showed black fatherhood on television through the relationship of doctor
Speaker 1: Cosby and Malcolm Jamal Warner.
Speaker 2: I thought it was brilliant. Oh, I'm brilliant, Like, like
Speaker 2: it's funny. I have in my in my thing.
Speaker 1: There's like three or four clips right of like famous episodes,
Speaker 1: and like I think it might.
Speaker 2: Have been the pilot when you know, he told his.
Speaker 1: Father he was like, you know, hey, man, you know
Speaker 1: you guys are being hard on me because he was
Speaker 1: getting bad report com I just want to be a
Speaker 1: regular kid, man, I come, I can't be, and everybody
Speaker 1: class in the studio.
Speaker 2: Audist Bill Gossey came back and went, that's the dumbest
Speaker 2: thing I ever heard. No wonder you get SEEZ and
Speaker 2: D's in school. So you had that moment.
Speaker 1: What was the name of the famous oh my god,
Speaker 1: the Gordion Trail shirt when when he goes his father
Speaker 1: and says the shirt is ninety five dollars. He said,
Speaker 1: the only kid that should be wearing a shirt that's
Speaker 1: ninety five dollars is he's on stage singing with There
Speaker 1: are all these classic moments, and then the other one
Speaker 1: I'll in with why I says two remember when he
Speaker 1: had forget his teacher played by Sonya Braga, who came
Speaker 1: to the house and they you know, he had she
Speaker 1: had something to give him, and they're having this pleasant evening.
Speaker 1: She's got she's looking all normal, and she invites Steele
Speaker 1: out to the living room and as this sitting there talking,
Speaker 1: she pulls her glasses out and she's putting.
Speaker 2: Her back up.
Speaker 1: So there are so and I and I and and
Speaker 1: and and trust me, if you're sitting at home and
Speaker 1: you're like, man, I can't believe Tim and Charles and
Speaker 1: shame is letting him talk about The Cosby Show. Cosm
Speaker 1: shit was great. I'm sorry, I mean, what's this? I'm sorry?
Speaker 1: The Cosby Show. It's a fantastic show. You might not
Speaker 1: like the man whose name is on the show, but
Speaker 1: you cannot discount, like the importance of that show, what
Speaker 1: that show actually did for not just black culture, but for.
Speaker 2: The culture right, just for the culture.
Speaker 1: So I say that that Malcolm Jamal Warner represented America's son.
Speaker 1: I was on a show in Philadelphia and they brought
Speaker 1: me on to talk about this, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I never had an opportunity to meet him, never had
Speaker 1: a chance to interview him. I learned so much about
Speaker 1: him just this week with all the clips that I've
Speaker 1: saw on YouTube, and I did. I want to finish
Speaker 1: with a poem that I saw that tyreee Row did
Speaker 1: you read about this?
Speaker 2: You read this, Shane? Did you read of this?
Speaker 1: The poem is called and I'm gonna read this called
Speaker 1: the Gentle Giant Right, a poem attributed to our beloved brother,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jamal Warner and this is from a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago. He said, Today we lost a gentle giant,
Speaker 1: a man who won our hearts not by force, but
Speaker 1: by quiet grace. From the very beginning, Malcolm Jamal Warner
Speaker 1: reminded us that being calm, classy, sophisticated and soulful could
Speaker 1: carry you far in life. He was the soft spoken
Speaker 1: strength behind a generation's most beloved show.
Speaker 2: We watched The.
Speaker 1: CoV Show and saw for the first time a world
Speaker 1: many of us had never known. A black family made
Speaker 1: up of doctors, lawyers, artists and thinkers. Wow, a household
Speaker 1: rooted in love and education, laughter and dignity. Let me
Speaker 1: see if I'm readiness and right, I must have skipped
Speaker 1: the part, so it says. Today we mourn what feels unimaginable,
Speaker 1: a loss that cuts through nostalgia, through childhood, through what
Speaker 1: we thought would always be My sincere prayers go out
Speaker 1: to his wife, to his children, to his family, to
Speaker 1: everyone who loved him, worked beside him, and walked life
Speaker 1: with him. This tragedy hits us hard, not just because
Speaker 1: of who he was on screen, but because of who
Speaker 1: he remained when the cameras turned off. We lost more
Speaker 1: than an actor. We lost the presence a gentle, regal,
Speaker 1: beautiful soul who walked with dignity and reminded us, especially
Speaker 1: as black boys and men, that you could be powerful
Speaker 1: without being loud, important without being arrogant, respected, without.
Speaker 2: Ever demanding it.
Speaker 1: Today, as we sit in that grief and we say
Speaker 1: goodbye to a man who gave us more than entertainment.
Speaker 1: He gave us hope, He gave us another way to exist.
Speaker 1: Rest well, Malcolm, you were everything we needed.
Speaker 2: Wow Wow.
Speaker 1: That was from Tyrese Gibson wrote that dedication to Malcolm
Speaker 1: Jamal Warner Man.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this one hurts.
Speaker 1: And not to diminish the families uh and friends of
Speaker 1: Chuck Mangione, Hulk Hogan and Ozzy Osbourne, but Malcolm Jamal
Speaker 1: Warner was our community, our community.
Speaker 2: Rest in peace.
Speaker 1: I literally hate that we have to keep doing these
Speaker 1: and one day somebody, you know, it's so funny. I
Speaker 1: was telling I think I was talking to Charles earlier today.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been listening to Hamilton a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: in the in the back of my mind, I keep
Speaker 1: thinking about the closing song you know, who lives, who
Speaker 1: dies and tells his story. Somebody has gotta tell the story.
Speaker 1: There are plenty of people who want tell the story
Speaker 1: of Malthol, Jamal Warner and all of the folks that
Speaker 1: we lost. But I think about it inwardly, like you know,
Speaker 1: we live our lives, and at.
Speaker 2: Some point, who's gonna Who's gonna tell our story? Man?
Speaker 1: Who's gonna tell the story of Charles Kirklan Junior. Who's
Speaker 1: gonna tell the story of Shane Lewis? Who tells the
Speaker 1: Tim Gordon story? So we have to continue to keep
Speaker 1: on pressing and hope that we leave enough work behind
Speaker 1: that somebody.
Speaker 2: Can continue to tell our story.
Speaker 1: Man, Right, all right, sh we gotta flip the mood
Speaker 1: up in here. Who twenty nine minutes after we are not,
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, going to be doing our list
Speaker 1: of our top one hundred to day, which was gonna
Speaker 1: take up probably about three quarters of our show. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna talk about these movies today, And
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if we should start talking about them now,
Speaker 1: because I really want to do a deep dive on
Speaker 1: both these projects that I that we have this week,
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 2: I think I'll get started now.
Speaker 1: Before I begin, Charles, did you get a chance to
Speaker 1: watch Washington Black.
Speaker 2: And I did not. Wow, this is gonna be a
Speaker 2: Tim Gordon exclusive here, because.
Speaker 3: All right, so maybe it's best that I didn't, because
Speaker 3: you know, man, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know how to tackle that one. Is
Speaker 2: not it's not negative. It's just that we have we
Speaker 2: have views.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's not that we have views. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna share a couple of things with Charles. Are
Speaker 1: you looking at your screen, Charles big screen? So this
Speaker 1: is this is the Washington Black review that I put
Speaker 1: up a couple of days ago. You see that number
Speaker 1: right there on a second of how many views it had?
Speaker 2: You see right here? Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's a great review, man. So let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about Washington Black. Washington Black, of course,
Speaker 1: is a series that debuted on Hulu early this week.
Speaker 1: I think it dropped like Wednesday, right, and adapted from
Speaker 1: ec ed of you Gan's acclaimed novel, Washington Black is
Speaker 1: a richly imaginative, emotionally resented eight part mini series that
Speaker 1: blends historical fiction, adventure, romance, and speculative realism to tell
Speaker 1: a story rarely seen on screen. Charles Executive produced by
Speaker 1: Sterling K Brown. The series transcends familion narratives of slavery
Speaker 1: by centering hope, connection and the trans transformative power upart. Now,
Speaker 1: let me talk a little bit about this, which I
Speaker 1: found to be fascinating because I watch a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm not discounting anybody else's watch experience, but I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, I'll watch a lot of stories about enslaved people,
Speaker 1: and generally, whenever we tell these stories, no matter how
Speaker 1: hopefully they are, there's always Subjugation's always pain, and there's
Speaker 1: always disrespect.
Speaker 2: You're always being felt less than.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about when I say we talking about
Speaker 1: the audience of people of color who have to sit
Speaker 1: through these stories, to sit through the pain and the
Speaker 1: trauma to.
Speaker 2: Get to the hope and the inspiration on the other side.
Speaker 1: Well, guess what in this story with his place Tuma, Well, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: In this story that happens in the early part of
Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, yes, he is an enslaved guy who's
Speaker 1: working in the sugarcane field somewhere over in the Barbados
Speaker 1: for a hateful plantation owner.
Speaker 2: Right. The one thing that the movie.
Speaker 1: Doesn't show, outside of a couple of instances where people
Speaker 1: might get smacked or some stuff like that. There's nobody
Speaker 1: getting whipped. There's not an overabundance of trauma of you know,
Speaker 1: even though there's slaves. It reminded me, ironically of a
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle skit right one set in his skin, and
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing that black men don't ever have, we don't
Speaker 1: ever have the ability to just be and just dream
Speaker 1: and exists, right, because you know, we always are dealing
Speaker 1: with with some sort of trauma. Well, this is a
Speaker 1: story that happens doing slavery with the story of a
Speaker 1: kid who's young. He might be five or six, but
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's got a vivid imagination and he's
Speaker 1: really really smart. And everybody in the community sees that
Speaker 1: this kid could be something special and they protect him,
Speaker 1: nurture him, hide him, and do whatever they need to
Speaker 1: do to make sure that this kid can be allowed
Speaker 1: to be who he is, which is radically different than
Speaker 1: anything we've ever watched.
Speaker 2: In terms of that kind of story.
Speaker 1: In terms of that kind of story, like, this kid
Speaker 1: was a dreamer who wanted to fly, right, and when
Speaker 1: when they said wanted to fly, he was an inventor
Speaker 1: who wanted to create a machine that could fly instead.
Speaker 2: Of somebody going, boy, just sit your butt in the corner.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Anybody got no time for that. Man.
Speaker 1: You better picked you Beta picked it better, chopped this
Speaker 1: sugar cane and stopped playing.
Speaker 2: He gets, he gets, he meets, and and also I.
Speaker 1: Called it the Psalm twenty three six. Goodness and mercy
Speaker 1: followed this kid all his entire life, his entire life.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was fascinating to watch. I went, huh, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen this one before. So he you know, he even
Speaker 1: though that he's on a plantation with a hateful slave owner.
Speaker 1: The slave owners brothers an abolitionists who understands and sees
Speaker 1: how special he is. And the slave master says, you
Speaker 1: go in on, you can take this kid. So him
Speaker 1: and the kid start all these adventures. Now, the thing
Speaker 1: is interesting about it, because I couldn't figure this out myself,
Speaker 1: is they only it's an eight part mini series, but
Speaker 1: Hulu only gave you four episodes to review. So this
Speaker 1: review that I wrote the first four episodes at the
Speaker 1: pictures non stop. So I'm looking at the pictures and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to download the pictures, and I'm like, and.
Speaker 2: What point of the story is this kid, Cause this
Speaker 2: kid travels all around the world.
Speaker 1: Now we can remember this is the early nineteenth century,
Speaker 1: so it's not like, you know, they were plays and
Speaker 1: he can just jump on. No, this story happens. He's
Speaker 1: in the Arctic, like, oh, of course in eight that's
Speaker 1: he's in the Arctic. He's in Morocco, he's in Nova Scotia.
Speaker 1: This is truly an international story that.
Speaker 2: I think is so good. You literally should.
Speaker 1: Take these eight episodes, put together a curriculum and just
Speaker 1: taking the schools and just show it the kids. Because
Speaker 1: by the eighth episode at the end, I was like that,
Speaker 1: what's happening? It is deeply emotional. I thought Washington Black
Speaker 1: was brilliant. Washington Black is so brilliant, Shane, you ready,
Speaker 1: the first four episodes I watched it, I said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give it a B plus. By the time I
Speaker 1: got to the end of the eighth episode, the B
Speaker 1: plus got bumped up.
Speaker 2: To a A.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, Washington Black, which is on Hulu
Speaker 1: right now, is frigging amazing.
Speaker 2: Executive produced by Shirt I mean Sterling K. Brown. There
Speaker 2: are and then you.
Speaker 1: Can go go to to the film Gordon and just
Speaker 1: read the review.
Speaker 2: That's all I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Because I poured some stuff into this review because I
Speaker 1: was feeling this show and I just kept on writing
Speaker 1: and couldn't stop writing. I was like, yeah, it is
Speaker 1: some more because there's now let me also say.
Speaker 2: Because one of the things, and there was one thing.
Speaker 1: I had to add after the end, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a backstory for Sterling K. Brown's character that's in here
Speaker 1: that is deeply touching. It is deeply touching and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna spoil it. Just watch the mini series. When
Speaker 1: you get to that. Remember I told you how deeply
Speaker 1: touching that whole thing is. And there are so many
Speaker 1: great moments of people who are kind. Dude, just don't
Speaker 1: have to be kind, who just kind to this kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was about this character, but
Speaker 1: people just wanted to help this guy out because they
Speaker 1: kept looking at him, going, you know, he's the one,
Speaker 1: He's like neo, he can be somebody. So it is
Speaker 1: a very interesting mini series and for us, since we
Speaker 1: also run the Black Real Awards for television, this will
Speaker 1: not be the last time you hear about Washington Black.
Speaker 1: I got a feeling that when nominations come for next
Speaker 1: year's Black Real Awards for Television, Washington Black is gonna
Speaker 1: be in the mix.
Speaker 2: That's a good one.
Speaker 3: If they don't forget God go Ernest Kingsley Junior. Yes,
Speaker 3: he was absolutely amazing man. And he was the young
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that was the older version of Washington Black.
Speaker 3: The younger version is played by Eddie Karanjah. So yeah,
Speaker 3: really funny because you hear stories like in the hood
Speaker 3: where you got a football player, basketball player, and everybody
Speaker 3: protects him make sure he makes it out and becomes good.
Speaker 3: That was our generation. Yes, that's our generation. But to
Speaker 3: see this happening in the early nineteen hundred, No, this
Speaker 3: is the early eighteen hundred. Oh okay, it's eighteen eighteen
Speaker 3: twenty something like that.
Speaker 2: Wow, I gotta see this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, so Washington Black Man is on Hulu right now.
Speaker 1: Once you finished listening to this and you turn this
Speaker 1: podcast off, just go and check it out.
Speaker 2: I promise you grabbed the family.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I grabbed mine last night and I
Speaker 1: think we got through the first two episodes, so still
Speaker 1: got six that we need to go through. So that
Speaker 1: is Washington Black. So any questions on Washington black, anything
Speaker 1: else you want to know.
Speaker 2: Eight episodes. I'm gonna all right, it sounds like a
Speaker 2: good bench. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So now let's talk about the movie The Hour, the
Speaker 1: Fantastic for the first steps. Now, if you notice that,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull it down so you can see both
Speaker 1: Charles and I are wearing our four hats.
Speaker 2: We had an.
Speaker 1: Opportunity, as we said earlier in the show, to go
Speaker 1: down to the Air and Space Museum here in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. Where they had the grand opening of their
Speaker 1: Imax theater, grand reopening. Excuse me of their Imax theater,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Charles. We're still smaller than the air bussing.
Speaker 1: I have to keep referencing that because I'm like, it
Speaker 1: was nice.
Speaker 2: This is nice.
Speaker 1: Now I will also add and and and as I
Speaker 1: add this, this has nothing to do with how I
Speaker 1: felt about the movies. But I thought it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: They gave us some swag. They gave us, uh, candy coopons,
Speaker 1: candy with water and popcorn and.
Speaker 3: Candy or soda like whatever you want. I thought that
Speaker 3: was cool, Like don't forget the popcorn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so they can give you us thinking they
Speaker 1: gave you a close back.
Speaker 2: And they have what six options five six options. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they had cheddar and sod cream.
Speaker 1: They gave you options of candy, your gray candy, like,
Speaker 1: grab something to drink, grab your little hat and get
Speaker 1: that man and sit down and watch this movie.
Speaker 2: And uh, this is the thirty seventh movie, thirty seven
Speaker 2: in the Marble Cinematic Universe.
Speaker 1: Let me set this thing up because I don't want
Speaker 1: Charles thinking I'm disrespecting the Fantastic Four, because we have
Speaker 1: a we have a lot to say about this movie,
Speaker 1: the thirty seventh movie in the Marble Cinematic Universe and.
Speaker 3: The first in the sixth phase Phase six, Phase six.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, that's a good point. Based on the
Speaker 1: superhero team, the Fantastic Four, produced by Marvel Studios and
Speaker 1: distributed by Walt Disney.
Speaker 2: We talked about it being.
Speaker 1: The thirty seventh film in the series in the second
Speaker 1: reboot of the Fantastic Four film series.
Speaker 2: The earlier one was two thousand.
Speaker 1: And five, and then they did another reboot in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: so it's every ten years we keep trying to make
Speaker 1: the Fantastic Four. And we'll talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: that momentarily. The film was directed by Matt Shackman, who
Speaker 1: was in the house last night. I sat in the
Speaker 1: same row. Yes, yeah, he said, in our role last night.
Speaker 1: I walked by him at the end squeezed the show.
Speaker 2: I was like, good job, Maddie, spoiler, A good job.
Speaker 1: The film features an ensemble cast which includes Pedro Pascal,
Speaker 1: Vanessa Kirby, Ebon mass Bacarack, and Joseph Quinn as the
Speaker 1: titular team, alongside Julia Gardner and Sarah Niles, Mark Gastus,
Speaker 1: Natasha Lynn, Paul Walter.
Speaker 2: Hauser, Natasha Leon what do I call her? Man? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Natasha Leone, Paul Walter hey Hauser, and Ralph Inmoson. That's
Speaker 1: why we have Charles here, because Charles is always about names,
Speaker 1: all right, So Charles Kirkland Jr. The film focuses on
Speaker 1: the Fantastic four whos who must protect the nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: inspired retro futuristic world from a planet devouring cosmic being Galactus.
Speaker 1: And this is taking place now, this is key taking place.
Speaker 2: On Earth eight twenty eight, right now. That's a that's
Speaker 2: a good detail.
Speaker 3: It's a very good detail because and I'll explain, because
Speaker 3: everything that we've seen in the MCU has taken place
Speaker 3: on six sixteen six, six sixteen.
Speaker 2: I thought it was six two six? Is it sixteen sixes?
Speaker 2: I thought it was six sixteen.
Speaker 3: Okay, six one six, okay, okay, all right, So everything
Speaker 3: we've seen is already comic books. But you know I
Speaker 3: remember numbers. Well, oh yeah, okay, So yeah, we're in
Speaker 3: a different universe than what we're used to.
Speaker 1: And so you said in the first thirty six films
Speaker 1: which happened in for the most part, and the MCU
Speaker 1: were all on planet six one six universe in the
Speaker 1: universe six one six, and now we're in universe eight
Speaker 1: two eight.
Speaker 2: Correct to kick off phase six? Correct? Wow? All right.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure I set it up
Speaker 2: for the audience go ahead. And it's perfectly logical.
Speaker 3: Why because if it were, if the Fantastic Four were
Speaker 3: part of six one six, people like where they were,
Speaker 3: where they've been, because we've been going through some stuff here.
Speaker 3: They're fighting a guy that is going to destroy the world.
Speaker 3: You know, why couldn't you have about.
Speaker 2: He's destroying trying to destroy the world in eighty two.
Speaker 3: Eight and eight two eight, not in six one six, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but in six one six we did fight a guy
Speaker 3: that was trying to destroy the well in the universe.
Speaker 2: We got cold. We got colds. Go ahead, man.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that is a really good setup to let
Speaker 3: us see how this world is totally different in how
Speaker 3: the Fantastic Four, who's been by the time we joined
Speaker 3: them in this film, they've been a team for four years,
Speaker 3: so they kind of take that Superman approaches and we're
Speaker 3: not giving you the whole origin story. We just want
Speaker 3: to drop you in the story and let you roll
Speaker 3: with it. And so I really appreciate that because again,
Speaker 3: we've all seen it, we know what's happening. And then
Speaker 3: they allude to some of the things that have happened
Speaker 3: to them and how they got to where they are.
Speaker 3: So we get to see this developed team come together
Speaker 3: and fight again a foe that they've never experienced before.
Speaker 3: These literally in this world, the Fantastic Four are the
Speaker 3: protectors of the Earth. There's no other superhero team that
Speaker 3: we know of this on a eight and so they're
Speaker 3: beloved because they save everybody, They work for everybody. They're
Speaker 3: not they don't have to face the well, why are
Speaker 3: you don't you fight for United States versus Europe or
Speaker 3: fighting the man. Well that's you know, that's another story.
Speaker 3: But even that part, you know, they didn't give you
Speaker 3: that story. I mean, they didn't give you that battle.
Speaker 3: They just gave you the story and let you roll
Speaker 3: with it, so which was very interesting how they presented it. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, am I supposed to say give my review
Speaker 3: of this film of what I thought? I think that
Speaker 3: this film is very successful in everything that they attempt,
Speaker 3: the story as well. Put together. The actors are very
Speaker 3: credible in their roles, the the relationships, and seem genuine
Speaker 3: by everyone that's in the plot. They even flesh out
Speaker 3: the characters like the thing and the human torture in
Speaker 3: a way that we hadn't seen before and in previous
Speaker 3: films they they're much simpler, but they have depth in
Speaker 3: this film, which I really appreciated because I'm a big
Speaker 3: fan of the comic books, and for those of us
Speaker 3: who are big comic book fans, there are a couple
Speaker 3: comic book references that happen in the movie that'll keep
Speaker 3: us excited. But this is a story that is kind
Speaker 3: of that is based on the comic books, but is
Speaker 3: really completely original. So I thought it was very successful.
Speaker 3: I thought it was done well. Eric Pearson, Jeff Kapman,
Speaker 3: Irian Springer and Kat would write this story, and I
Speaker 3: think they do a good job. I really enjoyed the movie,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to save my grade for after you
Speaker 3: give yours.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Giles. That was very well done, I wrote.
Speaker 1: And you know, I thought that the film, which featured
Speaker 1: a mid nineteen sixties tone.
Speaker 2: Matt Shackman and his production.
Speaker 1: Team really lean into the production design of the film,
Speaker 1: which I thought.
Speaker 2: Really really worked, really really well.
Speaker 1: I shared with Charles and we had a very heated
Speaker 1: conversation early this morning pre show.
Speaker 2: Heated the way. I was like, Charles, you man, you
Speaker 2: never mind, but I was. I said that two.
Speaker 1: Times we talked earlier in two thousand and five, and
Speaker 1: then I think in two thousand and seven they did
Speaker 1: fantastic for the Rise of the Silver Surfer, and then
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen they came back and did another rebook.
Speaker 2: Awful reboot. Oh you admit that one. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: told you. Michael B. Jordan as Johnny human human torch.
Speaker 1: I just said for the record that I Tim Gordon
Speaker 1: didn't like either of these versions of the earlier films,
Speaker 1: right either iteration and as a guy that didn't read
Speaker 1: the comics, which is why it's fascinating that Charles and
Speaker 1: I have these conversations around comic book films. I may
Speaker 1: not have read the comics, but I get to watch
Speaker 1: the movies that you present, right, so sometimes they're based
Speaker 1: on comics. I just heard you say that this one
Speaker 1: is a wholy original story. So okay, either way, it
Speaker 1: still works for me because I'm still watching.
Speaker 2: A movie now.
Speaker 1: In my mind, before I even went in to watch
Speaker 1: the movie, after the first two attempts by Fox to
Speaker 1: make these stories, I was, like I used to always say,
Speaker 1: especially when the MCU started, I was like, man, if
Speaker 1: Marvel LEVI got their hands on the Fantastic Four, I
Speaker 1: think they could do a really, really good job with
Speaker 1: this because Marvel really excels in storytelling, right, So that
Speaker 1: aspect of the film, I was absolutely right. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: also say that my feelings about the three previous films, the.
Speaker 2: Bar was so low.
Speaker 1: Marvel just had to show up and just give me
Speaker 1: a story and it would have worked. Right, So let's
Speaker 1: just start there that I went in even with my
Speaker 1: popcorn and my candy and my drink and my Fantastic
Speaker 1: four hat and I was like, man, they just put
Speaker 1: a story on the screen. This is a win, right,
Speaker 1: so I'll go in and watch the movie. And I
Speaker 1: also loved the fact that previously I just found that
Speaker 1: these characters were just boring because the first three times
Speaker 1: I've watched these characters there was really they really didn't
Speaker 1: capture the right tone of how to tell the story
Speaker 1: of the Fantastic Four. Right, even though you don't know
Speaker 1: what the story, doesn't really matter, because my point is
Speaker 1: is that when you asked me to watch something, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at execution, cinematography, production design, constant design, screen I'm
Speaker 1: listening to the screenplay, I'm looking at how to score,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at all the elements that make up a project, right,
Speaker 1: whether it's streaming, whether it's on the big screen. And Marvel,
Speaker 1: of course, really does a very good job because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of I mean geeks that work at Marvel.
Speaker 1: So even when they're telling original stories, there's still enough
Speaker 1: stuff sprinkled in. Like there's a great scene that happens
Speaker 1: earlier in the film when I think Sue is going
Speaker 1: to the United Nations to do an address and I
Speaker 1: didn't understand what was happening. Is they're paying the audience.
Speaker 1: There's a certain character from a nation who's absent, who's absent,
Speaker 1: And I was like, everybody's like whoa.
Speaker 2: So I said what happened? And they told me. I went, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So Marvel Marvel does a really good job of the details, right.
Speaker 2: And I thought that the story actually worked.
Speaker 1: I was told a little bit about the movie by
Speaker 1: somebody who had watched it earlier this week, and he
Speaker 1: was actually right that you know, if you're going in
Speaker 1: looking for like huge action, this is.
Speaker 2: Not really a movie.
Speaker 1: This is sort of an origin story to build up
Speaker 1: because Leo on in the MCU, They're going to be
Speaker 1: things that we learn in this story that will help
Speaker 1: us when we get the film thirty eight, thirty nine, forty,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But I thought, overall, the chemistry, which you didn't use
Speaker 1: that word, it was like, you know, they got a
Speaker 1: lot the chemistry between these characters, I thought really worked well.
Speaker 1: I thought that for all of the bluster of two
Speaker 1: hours of this film, there's literally only like about eight
Speaker 1: or nine speaking parts of different people of the speaking
Speaker 1: through the whole movie. If you really think about it,
Speaker 1: it's a fantastic for their press agent the adversary below. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: not a lot of dialogue, like, not a lot of characters.
Speaker 1: It really centers on these four individuals and what they
Speaker 1: have to do to kind of move it along.
Speaker 2: In a two eight.
Speaker 1: Now Here is where we diverge, right, because going into
Speaker 1: this shame, I thought this is the fourth comic superhero
Speaker 1: movie of the year, right, and.
Speaker 2: Let be let's just call it what it is. I
Speaker 2: was not a big fan.
Speaker 1: Of Captain America A Brave New World, and I really
Speaker 1: wasn't a big fan of Thunderbolts, right. I really liked Superman.
Speaker 1: I really thought that what James Gunn did with Superman
Speaker 1: was amazing R And I see this film by virtue
Speaker 1: what I told you about. It's an origin story and
Speaker 1: we're going to build up these characters later for them
Speaker 1: to do amazing stuff. For me, I still think Superman
Speaker 1: is the best comic superhero film of the first half
Speaker 1: of the year. That's my opinion, right. And I had
Speaker 1: to go back in and change my grade on this
Speaker 1: movie because I had it rated as.
Speaker 2: High as Superman.
Speaker 1: I was like, Superman is better it's just a better
Speaker 1: movie at this stage. Now I get be wrong that
Speaker 1: later on the Fantastic Four can develop, like maybe in
Speaker 1: Part two, maybe part three, when there's some more adversaries
Speaker 1: and some more action, maybe we got a different story.
Speaker 1: This story is good. I'm not saying it's bad. It's
Speaker 1: easily the best of the Fantastic Four iterations that has
Speaker 1: been out there.
Speaker 2: Marls marvels. The thing with this, you know, the cast
Speaker 2: is superb.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, the whole sixties aesthetic works really,
Speaker 1: really well. It's a well done movie. So having said that,
Speaker 1: I gave it a B, a straight bach straight B.
Speaker 1: I had it at a B plus, but then I
Speaker 1: had Superman at a B plus and it's not Superman.
Speaker 2: A Fantastic Four B.
Speaker 1: Now I know there are hardcore comic fans who are
Speaker 1: like Tim, you don't know what you talk about. You're tripping.
Speaker 1: All I can watch, Charles is what you give me. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's no more to it, no less.
Speaker 2: I'm not hating.
Speaker 1: I say, I'm glad to see that the Fantastic Four
Speaker 1: is finally brought into the MCU and it's.
Speaker 2: Actually treated with some love.
Speaker 1: It looks good, it plays well, it's got a short
Speaker 1: run time. There's a lot of positives, it's just not
Speaker 1: a lot there other than the origin set up.
Speaker 2: For me, now, I'm looking forward.
Speaker 1: To what they can do with this, and I'm positive
Speaker 1: that no one marvel with you know, there's two part
Speaker 1: Avengers that coming up. Is this Secret Wars and then
Speaker 1: it's it's Doomsday. First Doomsday and then what Secret Wars? Okay,
Speaker 1: then you know, so I gave it a B. So
Speaker 1: what did you give it?
Speaker 3: I wanted to give it an A minus, but I
Speaker 3: stayed with the B plus. And I look back and
Speaker 3: I say, it's the same grade that as Superman. But
Speaker 3: unlike you, I think that this film is superior in
Speaker 3: theme and tone than to Superman, because there were some
Speaker 3: things about Superman that just didn't line up. For an instance,
Speaker 3: they really were mad with Superman because he was an
Speaker 3: alien coming to this planet, but they didn't have a
Speaker 3: problem with Hawk Girl and she's an alien it come
Speaker 3: to the planet and she's in part of.
Speaker 2: The Justice Gang.
Speaker 3: Did she get into that kind of hate? So there,
Speaker 3: I mean, there were some things that I felt like
Speaker 3: that happened in Superman. Superman is a great film, but
Speaker 3: I think that as the time goes by, that some
Speaker 3: of the themes that were relevant and important that Superman
Speaker 3: Express will have dissowaited. And the themes that are in
Speaker 3: the Fantastic Four are about family and hope and building
Speaker 3: the community. Those things are going to last. And I
Speaker 3: think that over time that this movie will be last
Speaker 3: a lot better. It will communicate, you know how you
Speaker 3: say sometimes a movie doesn't age well. I think that
Speaker 3: the Fantastic Four will age a lot better. And it's
Speaker 3: in this story because it is more of a universal
Speaker 3: theme that people will be able to relate to, not
Speaker 3: just now, but in the future.
Speaker 2: All Right.
Speaker 1: See, see, this is why we should have fights early
Speaker 1: in the day, because.
Speaker 2: It's time and now this was not we had earlier.
Speaker 1: Charles called me a movie snob, and he called me
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff, and I was like, but bro,
Speaker 1: we're doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You act like you're a plumber who reviews movies. You're
Speaker 1: a film critic just like I am. And Charles hit
Speaker 1: me with you know, at the church, right, you have
Speaker 1: two pastors and then one is delivering the south. It's like,
Speaker 1: okay to sha. You had to you had to bring
Speaker 1: God into it to get me up off you. But
Speaker 1: it's all right, It's all right.
Speaker 2: That's what he's saying for it. He's my protector, he's
Speaker 2: my strong tower, my refuge. Wow. And what am I
Speaker 2: supposed to say to that? You're wrong? All right?
Speaker 1: So okay, so the two films just go over this
Speaker 1: one more time. So the two films we talked about
Speaker 1: this on the two projects. I just say, we talked
Speaker 1: about this weekend. I gave an A to Washington Black.
Speaker 1: I thought Washington Black was really really.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question, Yes, is this a
Speaker 2: TV A or is this a film A? Or is
Speaker 2: there a difference? There's no difference, man, I mean, Washing
Speaker 2: Black is better than Superman. Mm hmm. And and.
Speaker 1: To me, okay, I'm just let me phrase that, they're okay.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. That's a good question that I
Speaker 1: think about it. These projects are all different, man. So
Speaker 1: when you you know, there's stuff, there's documentaries, like I
Speaker 1: gave Lutheran A so you're like, luth is better than
Speaker 1: Superman and Superman was a documentary. But no, I think
Speaker 1: I think Washington Black sometimes and I'm just gonna be transparent.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you you you're giving grades the movies man, because
Speaker 1: they exceed what you think they are, right, and I
Speaker 1: think that you know, not to say that Fantastic four
Speaker 1: exceeded what I thought it was, but the first three
Speaker 1: were so not not my cup of tea, and this
Speaker 1: one actually works. I can actually watch this again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can actually watch the Fantastic for the first Steps again.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, man, So we're getting ready to
Speaker 1: get out of here now because Shane has got us
Speaker 1: on the straight fifty eight count. As we tell you
Speaker 1: every week, man, please see something good at the movies.
Speaker 1: We gave you a couple of options, and always remember
Speaker 1: to keep it real, keep it strong.
Speaker 2: I messed that up. We'll see you next week. Take care,
Speaker 2: Charles was waiting. I messed it up, man, I messed
Speaker 2: it up. Next week. We'll see you guys,