Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
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Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of May fifth,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Lost, season two, episode twenty two,
Speaker 1: for the Road, which I guess refers to Anna Lucia
Speaker 1: and Jack's dad. Are they the two for the.
Speaker 2: Roads or what happens at the end?
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember very sharply what happens at the end.
Speaker 1: I did not have any brain souls whatsoever that recalled
Speaker 1: that Anna Lucia and Jack's dad met up and gallivanted
Speaker 1: around Australia. That part was lost to me, with a
Speaker 1: great deal of discussion about yes, I don't remember any
Speaker 1: of this, okay, but they do get people do get
Speaker 1: killed at the end, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Sadly, my gosh, but I was. I was shook, as
Speaker 2: they say, I.
Speaker 1: I'll bet it was so hard not to say anything
Speaker 1: last week about what's gonna happen. Right, let's just say
Speaker 1: a couple of people have come to the end of
Speaker 1: their contracts. Separate occasional flashbacks. Yeah, Anna, Lucia, sweety pie,
Speaker 1: don't go have sex with the guy and get a
Speaker 1: gun so that then later on you can give it
Speaker 1: to somebody to shoot you, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yikes.
Speaker 1: I think there was much examination in this episode of
Speaker 1: your life choices, and they have not gotten better on
Speaker 1: the island.
Speaker 2: They have failed you.
Speaker 1: Yes, they have failed you. That's a parenting tip. Tell
Speaker 1: your kids maybe best not to have a weapon less
Speaker 1: to be turned on you. But also, Sawyer, seriously, swear
Speaker 1: got played so bad, buddy. Really, you're not gonna put
Speaker 1: the gun someplace else when you get busy. Uh, she
Speaker 1: played you like a fiddle, friend, she did, And then
Speaker 1: it came back to shoot her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it did.
Speaker 1: That. Was that was an upsetting ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely got me. I was not expecting any
Speaker 2: of that. Yes, you know, so it's Michael who convinces
Speaker 2: Anta Lucia basically you know that he can take the gun. Well, anyway,
Speaker 2: there's a whole convoluted thing about how.
Speaker 1: You will take the gun and go shoot Ben for
Speaker 1: her because she has suddenly grown a consciousness, right because
Speaker 1: she was at an inconvenient time, she was.
Speaker 2: Just about to do it and she yes, found she
Speaker 2: could not, so he's gonna go do it. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: then it turns out this whole thing has been I mean,
Speaker 2: do we think that he was well, I definitely think
Speaker 2: he was sent there by the others to do this. Yes,
Speaker 2: But was it you know, like, if you don't do this,
Speaker 2: we're gonna kill Walt. Was it, if you do this,
Speaker 2: you can have Walt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely one of those things, right, And I can't
Speaker 1: spoil it because I don't remember, but I do remember that,
Speaker 1: I mean, I do strongly think that this has been
Speaker 1: a setup by the others, right, And and I'm surprised
Speaker 1: Kate didn't say at some point, wait, you're talking about
Speaker 1: them all being shabby and everything. But I saw those
Speaker 1: costumes in a lot. Yeah that's not real, right, but
Speaker 1: she just old, yeah, yeah, come on, So yeah it's
Speaker 1: a setup and uh just so sad. Yeah, and sad
Speaker 1: enough with Ana Lucia because she'd kind of briefly there
Speaker 1: sort of was approaching a healthy conclusion. But then Libby
Speaker 1: walking in. That's the part that metaphorically killed me. It's like, oh, timing, honey, timing.
Speaker 2: Right, And did we do we think that was an
Speaker 2: accident or he was like, oh you saw me, Yes,
Speaker 2: you saw me get Ana Lysia, So now you've got
Speaker 2: to go too.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was I don't think he intended to do it.
Speaker 1: He had a look on his face like, oh bleep, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to do something right and so yes, so
Speaker 1: she was just collateral damage. Yeah, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: think it mattered who he killed as long as he
Speaker 1: got got Ben free. Sorry, yeah, his name is actually Ben.
Speaker 1: We haven't gotten there yet, right, spoiler for the name
Speaker 1: of a character.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, why then did Michael shoot himself in the
Speaker 2: shoulder at the very end of the episode. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that there was a gun battle exactly that he's
Speaker 2: at first I thought he was going to take off
Speaker 2: with with the prisoner, but instead it appears that he's
Speaker 2: going to stay behind and say so that he can
Speaker 2: relate the story that they were all overwhelmed, that he
Speaker 2: got the gun somehow shot Anna, Lucia, shot Michael, shot Libby,
Speaker 2: and then took off right, So he needs to be
Speaker 2: there to tell that story, I guess. And maybe they
Speaker 2: don't want him to come back, so I guess that's
Speaker 2: the way I should know. I can't remember the exact
Speaker 2: details other than that this happened and it was awful,
Speaker 2: and that Michael was not trustworthy from the moment they
Speaker 2: found him in the jungle.
Speaker 1: Be a little more careful, right.
Speaker 2: So well, and it could also be that Michael was,
Speaker 2: you know, brainwashed in the way that Claire was right.
Speaker 1: Could have been I guess, yeah, But I gotta think
Speaker 1: it's so he can get walk back, because it seems
Speaker 1: to be singularly focused on that. Think of how much
Speaker 1: trouble has gone on just through this entire person's life
Speaker 1: with trying to right.
Speaker 2: Trying to deal with Yeah, leading up to this was
Speaker 2: all the flashback that was supposedly I don't see it,
Speaker 2: but was quite a bit of Christian Chew as well, Like,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize we were going to be seen so
Speaker 2: much that.
Speaker 1: His agent is very happy. Are you're bringing the character
Speaker 1: back again? Yes, he's available. Yeah, I just said a
Speaker 1: completely no memory of that plot line at all. And
Speaker 1: then at the end it's kind of spoilery. But when
Speaker 1: he's at this house trying to Oh, I.
Speaker 2: Know what you're going to say, and I figured I've
Speaker 2: learned it from lost pedia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a limited number of Australian young women we've met.
Speaker 2: Right, let's we go. We could leave it there.
Speaker 1: We could probably deduce it if you know how this
Speaker 1: show works, and what are the chances that Christian Shepherd's
Speaker 1: daughter is going to be somebody we've never met before? Zero? Yes,
Speaker 1: he's bumping. They all keep bumping into each other somewhere
Speaker 1: or other. All your got slammed with the door and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean did we everybody's connected? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: he was. Christian was really hammering that home with yeah,
Speaker 2: with anta Lysia, like it's fate for you to come
Speaker 2: with me? Like what is it? Where?
Speaker 1: But where did that come from?
Speaker 2: Sir? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well he wanted some company and she needed something to do,
Speaker 1: so it worked.
Speaker 2: Out, yes, but at least we called her mom before
Speaker 2: he did, and her mother said, I'll be waiting for
Speaker 2: you at the airport.
Speaker 1: A long wait.
Speaker 2: I'll be waiting a long time. But you know, they
Speaker 2: didn't have that hanging between them anymore.
Speaker 1: That's good. So that's good from a parenting point of view.
Speaker 1: Anytime you separate from your young person or are talking
Speaker 1: to them on the phone, or basically they're coming back
Speaker 1: from a trip whatever, Always have closure, Always say goodbye,
Speaker 1: Always say I love you. I just did to my
Speaker 1: kids right now when they went out, you know, Always
Speaker 1: be say you'll be there. Don't let you know. You
Speaker 1: never know, they may wind up on an island and
Speaker 1: just have that last contact with you to remember, right,
Speaker 1: so force it every single time. I kind of wondered though,
Speaker 1: when she said I'll be there waiting at the airport,
Speaker 1: where she could be there waiting at like with you
Speaker 1: know police officers. Take no, I'll be waiting for you, honey,
Speaker 1: I'll be there when they arrest you. It'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well yeah, I mean I guess we're supposed
Speaker 2: to think that her whole situation, like, you know, her
Speaker 2: mom knows what she did to that.
Speaker 1: Sleazy guy person who deserved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's she quit the police force because of it.
Speaker 2: And so then she's found herself working at the airport.
Speaker 2: So obviously her mom has you know, cleared her path
Speaker 2: for that to happen, right, like she has made it
Speaker 2: so that it doesn't. She is she's not going to
Speaker 2: get in trouble for this murder.
Speaker 1: That she committed, it seems like, but now you know, karmicly, yes,
Speaker 1: she didn't even have to worry about one day going
Speaker 1: back home because she's going to be in a box now.
Speaker 1: She'll be just buried on on in the where the
Speaker 1: heck is an island, in.
Speaker 2: The growing cemetery at the island.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're going to have to hire a groundskeeper
Speaker 1: and you know.
Speaker 2: Mister is going to have to add that after he finishes.
Speaker 2: It's Churchill Hill, get going on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well, I mean they can have a proper
Speaker 1: funeral now if they have a church. Yeah, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know from from Libby, we can learn just just
Speaker 1: sit on the sand. You know, if you go for
Speaker 1: a picnic and you realize you don't have everything you need,
Speaker 1: just wing it, don't go back, don't separate, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're going out going someplace with people, just stay
Speaker 1: with the group, stay with the person that you're with.
Speaker 1: Don't go back and get wine, dug alcohol.
Speaker 2: Get rid of all poor Hurley.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, it's like we feel bad for Libby, but
Speaker 1: mostly we feel bad for Hurley, don't Yes, the excellent
Speaker 1: acting by Cynthia watros Uh of face acting when Hurley says,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll remember where I remember you from, right, No,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll just go get shot and we'll never have
Speaker 1: to do Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think you'll ever find out?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but she I believe we're meant to
Speaker 1: think that she remembers exactly where.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Would prefer that he did not, although I don't know
Speaker 1: why not. I mean, it seems like like telling him
Speaker 1: would be they could they could de bond over that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, what are the odds would be another
Speaker 1: weird thing, right that she presumably would know about the numbers. Also,
Speaker 1: if this guy was saying them all the time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's some corroboration. What poor Libby, wrong place at the
Speaker 1: wrong time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and poor an Lysia, like you said, she grew
Speaker 2: a conscience and it really was just as well.
Speaker 1: Maybe exactly long time to go before she has chance
Speaker 1: to kill anybody else. Yeah, maybe she could just go
Speaker 1: in peace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, her body count is just too at this time. No, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe some more others I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not. Henry pointed out she killed some
Speaker 1: of them, and she's accusing him of being a killer.
Speaker 2: Right, which I can feel pretty confident he is. I
Speaker 2: think Henry Gale would would yeah, yeah, yeah, would confirm
Speaker 2: that nothing else.
Speaker 1: He is a master manipulator, and it is a delight
Speaker 1: to watch him work.
Speaker 2: That is quite true, as.
Speaker 1: Long as he's not working on you. Yeah, personally, he's
Speaker 1: got Locke's number, Holy cowed? Does he have lock number?
Speaker 2: And then Jack, I need to tell you something.
Speaker 1: Locke says at the woman.
Speaker 2: It is quite a bit too late.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, oh golly. At some point somebody says, don't do
Speaker 1: anything stupid. It's like, has everybody on the on the
Speaker 1: show done something stupid by now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think, I think I think says pretty much their way. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so too. And uh yeah, probably too late.
Speaker 1: But it's being doing stupid things is kind of their
Speaker 1: operational setting. Yes, but from a parenting point of view,
Speaker 1: don't you find the telling your kids don't do anything
Speaker 1: stupid always works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so effective.
Speaker 1: It's like they go, oh something stupid. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll go do that.
Speaker 2: I love that idea.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the idea, mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Don't tell them what not to do, exactly to do,
Speaker 1: because because the first part of the sentence gets stripped
Speaker 1: away and all is the thing that you don't want
Speaker 1: them to do, and that idea gets in there.
Speaker 2: Yes, and you planted it silly talk about doing something stupid.
Speaker 1: Yep. So they keep hammering home this thing of good
Speaker 1: ones and bad ones. Yeah, that the others want to
Speaker 1: take the good ones and leave the bad ones, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, from parenting point of view, pretty judge, and
Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't be separating your kids that way.
Speaker 1: She's the good one. This is the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that happens. They wind up on a deserted island and
Speaker 1: have all sorts of weird leap going on. You know
Speaker 1: what's also, you know, just a massive oversimplification. Everybody has.
Speaker 1: All of these people have good and bad in them,
Speaker 1: and also a quite large contention of stupid. The stupid
Speaker 1: is really the problem. They could overcome the stupid it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a thing. But I think there has been
Speaker 1: a very small number of good decisions made on this island,
Speaker 1: and even some of the good ones come back to
Speaker 1: haunt them. So yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yea yea yeah,
Speaker 1: so rough spot. Yes, all right, so we have anything
Speaker 1: else to say about this very sad thing? What happened
Speaker 1: in this episode before that very sad ending?
Speaker 2: Yes, but I knew.
Speaker 1: Where we were going, so sad all the all the
Speaker 1: Anna Lucia's soul searching was for not yes, but maybe
Speaker 1: she was a good person in the end, Yeah, which
Speaker 1: case he should have said, wait, don't you wait? I
Speaker 1: got to take her with me. So do we think
Speaker 1: Locke is really on the list as a good person
Speaker 1: and therefore desired by the others, or do we think.
Speaker 2: That that's just not Henry.
Speaker 1: Henry is just a dirty, dirty, dirty liar. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, is the fact that he that Locke was
Speaker 2: cured of his ailment, does that mean he's a good person?
Speaker 2: He deserved it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's one way that the thing we've seen, of things
Speaker 1: we've seen of his off island life, I've not been promising.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a bad person, he was just just dumb.
Speaker 1: There really needs to be a third candidate, right, easily conned,
Speaker 1: right bad and easily coned. Locke definitely falls into that
Speaker 1: third one. And Henry's stepping right up into his father's
Speaker 1: shoes and you know, messing with him, right, but.
Speaker 2: Get in get in here.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well we shall find out, I guess, yes,
Speaker 1: but his head is surely being turned by this. What
Speaker 1: a mess. So next Tuesday we will continue with season two,
Speaker 1: episode twenty one of Lost, of which the title is
Speaker 1: merely a question mark. They will if somebody put on
Speaker 1: the schedule when I under what to call this, and
Speaker 1: then it just got too late and they ran with
Speaker 1: that left there, and I think it's a it's an
Speaker 1: it's an Echo flashback episode.
Speaker 2: That sounds right.
Speaker 1: I think it's Echo and Lock have adventures, okay, which
Speaker 1: is which is fun because the two of them are
Speaker 1: like two actors, one character mm hmm, although Echo has
Speaker 1: a lot more agency than Locke does apparently, but still
Speaker 1: sure they are the the mysterious guys with something on
Speaker 1: their mind, yes, or would like to in Locke's point.
Speaker 1: Locke's case, he would like to be that guy. Right,
Speaker 1: He's aspiring to be that guy, so it should be
Speaker 1: interesting anyway. We will see you back here tomorrow to
Speaker 1: discuss Running Point, in which no one is shot, although
Speaker 1: there is a punch true. Thank you for listening. You
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