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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of May fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with Lost, season two, episode twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>for the Road, which I guess refers to Anna Lucia

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<v Speaker 1>and Jack's dad. Are they the two for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Roads or what happens at the end?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I remember very sharply what happens at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not have any brain souls whatsoever that recalled

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<v Speaker 1>that Anna Lucia and Jack's dad met up and gallivanted

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<v Speaker 1>around Australia. That part was lost to me, with a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal of discussion about yes, I don't remember any

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<v Speaker 1>of this, okay, but they do get people do get

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<v Speaker 1>killed at the end, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Sadly, my gosh, but I was. I was shook, as

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<v Speaker 2>they say, I.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bet it was so hard not to say anything

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<v Speaker 1>last week about what's gonna happen. Right, let's just say

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of people have come to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>their contracts. Separate occasional flashbacks. Yeah, Anna, Lucia, sweety pie,

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<v Speaker 1>don't go have sex with the guy and get a

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<v Speaker 1>gun so that then later on you can give it

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<v Speaker 1>to somebody to shoot you, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yikes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was much examination in this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>your life choices, and they have not gotten better on

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<v Speaker 1>the island.

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<v Speaker 2>They have failed you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they have failed you. That's a parenting tip. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>your kids maybe best not to have a weapon less

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<v Speaker 1>to be turned on you. But also, Sawyer, seriously, swear

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<v Speaker 1>got played so bad, buddy. Really, you're not gonna put

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<v Speaker 1>the gun someplace else when you get busy. Uh, she

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<v Speaker 1>played you like a fiddle, friend, she did, And then

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<v Speaker 1>it came back to shoot her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it did.

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<v Speaker 1>That. Was that was an upsetting ending.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it definitely got me. I was not expecting any

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<v Speaker 2>of that. Yes, you know, so it's Michael who convinces

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<v Speaker 2>Anta Lucia basically you know that he can take the gun. Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a whole convoluted thing about how.

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<v Speaker 1>You will take the gun and go shoot Ben for

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<v Speaker 1>her because she has suddenly grown a consciousness, right because

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<v Speaker 1>she was at an inconvenient time, she was.

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<v Speaker 2>Just about to do it and she yes, found she

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<v Speaker 2>could not, so he's gonna go do it. Yeah, But

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<v Speaker 2>then it turns out this whole thing has been I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>do we think that he was well, I definitely think

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<v Speaker 2>he was sent there by the others to do this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>But was it you know, like, if you don't do this,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna kill Walt. Was it, if you do this,

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<v Speaker 2>you can have Walt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely one of those things, right, And I can't

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<v Speaker 1>spoil it because I don't remember, but I do remember that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do strongly think that this has been

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<v Speaker 1>a setup by the others, right, And and I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 1>Kate didn't say at some point, wait, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>them all being shabby and everything. But I saw those

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<v Speaker 1>costumes in a lot. Yeah that's not real, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>she just old, yeah, yeah, come on, So yeah it's

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<v Speaker 1>a setup and uh just so sad. Yeah, and sad

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<v Speaker 1>enough with Ana Lucia because she'd kind of briefly there

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<v Speaker 1>sort of was approaching a healthy conclusion. But then Libby

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<v Speaker 1>walking in. That's the part that metaphorically killed me. It's like, oh, timing, honey, timing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And did we do we think that was an

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<v Speaker 2>accident or he was like, oh you saw me, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you saw me get Ana Lysia, So now you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to go too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was I don't think he intended to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a look on his face like, oh bleep, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to do something right and so yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>she was just collateral damage. Yeah, I mean I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it mattered who he killed as long as he

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<v Speaker 1>got got Ben free. Sorry, yeah, his name is actually Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't gotten there yet, right, spoiler for the name

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<v Speaker 1>of a character.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, why then did Michael shoot himself in the

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<v Speaker 2>shoulder at the very end of the episode. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there was a gun battle exactly that he's

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<v Speaker 2>at first I thought he was going to take off

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<v Speaker 2>with with the prisoner, but instead it appears that he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to stay behind and say so that he can

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<v Speaker 2>relate the story that they were all overwhelmed, that he

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<v Speaker 2>got the gun somehow shot Anna, Lucia, shot Michael, shot Libby,

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<v Speaker 2>and then took off right, So he needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>there to tell that story, I guess. And maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>don't want him to come back, so I guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>the way I should know. I can't remember the exact

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<v Speaker 2>details other than that this happened and it was awful,

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<v Speaker 2>and that Michael was not trustworthy from the moment they

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<v Speaker 2>found him in the jungle.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a little more careful, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, and it could also be that Michael was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, brainwashed in the way that Claire was right.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have been I guess, yeah, But I gotta think

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<v Speaker 1>it's so he can get walk back, because it seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be singularly focused on that. Think of how much

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<v Speaker 1>trouble has gone on just through this entire person's life

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to deal with Yeah, leading up to this was

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<v Speaker 2>all the flashback that was supposedly I don't see it,

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<v Speaker 2>but was quite a bit of Christian Chew as well, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize we were going to be seen so

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<v Speaker 2>much that.

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<v Speaker 1>His agent is very happy. Are you're bringing the character

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<v Speaker 1>back again? Yes, he's available. Yeah, I just said a

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<v Speaker 1>completely no memory of that plot line at all. And

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<v Speaker 1>then at the end it's kind of spoilery. But when

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<v Speaker 1>he's at this house trying to Oh, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what you're going to say, and I figured I've

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<v Speaker 2>learned it from lost pedia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a limited number of Australian young women we've met.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, let's we go. We could leave it there.

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<v Speaker 1>We could probably deduce it if you know how this

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<v Speaker 1>show works, and what are the chances that Christian Shepherd's

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<v Speaker 1>daughter is going to be somebody we've never met before? Zero? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he's bumping. They all keep bumping into each other somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>or other. All your got slammed with the door and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean did we everybody's connected? Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he was. Christian was really hammering that home with yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with anta Lysia, like it's fate for you to come

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<v Speaker 2>with me? Like what is it? Where?

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<v Speaker 1>But where did that come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Sir? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Well he wanted some company and she needed something to do,

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<v Speaker 1>so it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, yes, but at least we called her mom before

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<v Speaker 2>he did, and her mother said, I'll be waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>you at the airport.

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<v Speaker 1>A long wait.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be waiting a long time. But you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have that hanging between them anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. So that's good from a parenting point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime you separate from your young person or are talking

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<v Speaker 1>to them on the phone, or basically they're coming back

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<v Speaker 1>from a trip whatever, Always have closure, Always say goodbye,

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<v Speaker 1>Always say I love you. I just did to my

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<v Speaker 1>kids right now when they went out, you know, Always

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<v Speaker 1>be say you'll be there. Don't let you know. You

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<v Speaker 1>never know, they may wind up on an island and

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<v Speaker 1>just have that last contact with you to remember, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so force it every single time. I kind of wondered though,

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<v Speaker 1>when she said I'll be there waiting at the airport,

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<v Speaker 1>where she could be there waiting at like with you

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<v Speaker 1>know police officers. Take no, I'll be waiting for you, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be there when they arrest you. It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh well yeah, I mean I guess we're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to think that her whole situation, like, you know, her

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<v Speaker 2>mom knows what she did to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sleazy guy person who deserved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's she quit the police force because of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then she's found herself working at the airport.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously her mom has you know, cleared her path

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<v Speaker 2>for that to happen, right, like she has made it

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<v Speaker 2>so that it doesn't. She is she's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>get in trouble for this murder.

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<v Speaker 1>That she committed, it seems like, but now you know, karmicly, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't even have to worry about one day going

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<v Speaker 1>back home because she's going to be in a box now.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll be just buried on on in the where the

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<v Speaker 1>heck is an island, in.

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<v Speaker 2>The growing cemetery at the island.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, they're going to have to hire a groundskeeper

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<v Speaker 1>and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister is going to have to add that after he finishes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Churchill Hill, get going on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well, I mean they can have a proper

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<v Speaker 1>funeral now if they have a church. Yeah, but uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know from from Libby, we can learn just just

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<v Speaker 1>sit on the sand. You know, if you go for

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<v Speaker 1>a picnic and you realize you don't have everything you need,

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<v Speaker 1>just wing it, don't go back, don't separate, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going out going someplace with people, just stay

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<v Speaker 1>with the group, stay with the person that you're with.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't go back and get wine, dug alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>Get rid of all poor Hurley.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, it's like we feel bad for Libby, but

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<v Speaker 1>mostly we feel bad for Hurley, don't Yes, the excellent

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<v Speaker 1>acting by Cynthia watros Uh of face acting when Hurley says,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll remember where I remember you from, right, No,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll just go get shot and we'll never have

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<v Speaker 1>to do Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you'll ever find out?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but she I believe we're meant to

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<v Speaker 1>think that she remembers exactly where.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Would prefer that he did not, although I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why not. I mean, it seems like like telling him

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<v Speaker 1>would be they could they could de bond over that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, what are the odds would be another

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<v Speaker 1>weird thing, right that she presumably would know about the numbers. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>if this guy was saying them all the time, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's some corroboration. What poor Libby, wrong place at the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and poor an Lysia, like you said, she grew

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<v Speaker 2>a conscience and it really was just as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe exactly long time to go before she has chance

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<v Speaker 1>to kill anybody else. Yeah, maybe she could just go

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<v Speaker 1>in peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, her body count is just too at this time. No, no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some more others I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's not. Henry pointed out she killed some

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and she's accusing him of being a killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, which I can feel pretty confident he is. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Henry Gale would would yeah, yeah, yeah, would confirm

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<v Speaker 2>that nothing else.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a master manipulator, and it is a delight

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<v Speaker 2>That is quite true, as.

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<v Speaker 1>Long as he's not working on you. Yeah, personally, he's

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<v Speaker 1>got Locke's number, Holy cowed? Does he have lock number?

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<v Speaker 2>And then Jack, I need to tell you something.

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<v Speaker 1>Locke says at the woman.

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<v Speaker 2>It is quite a bit too late.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, oh golly. At some point somebody says, don't do

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<v Speaker 1>show done something stupid by now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I think I think says pretty much their way. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so too. And uh yeah, probably too late.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's being doing stupid things is kind of their

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<v Speaker 1>operational setting. Yes, but from a parenting point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you find the telling your kids don't do anything

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<v Speaker 1>stupid always works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so effective.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like they go, oh something stupid. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the idea, mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't tell them what not to do, exactly to do,

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<v Speaker 1>because because the first part of the sentence gets stripped

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<v Speaker 1>away and all is the thing that you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>them to do, and that idea gets in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and you planted it silly talk about doing something stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. So they keep hammering home this thing of good

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<v Speaker 1>ones and bad ones. Yeah, that the others want to

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<v Speaker 1>take the good ones and leave the bad ones, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from parenting point of view, pretty judge, and

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that. Don't be separating your kids that way.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the good one. This is the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 1>that happens. They wind up on a deserted island and

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<v Speaker 1>have all sorts of weird leap going on. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what's also, you know, just a massive oversimplification. Everybody has.

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<v Speaker 1>All of these people have good and bad in them,

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<v Speaker 1>and also a quite large contention of stupid. The stupid

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be a thing. But I think there has been

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<v Speaker 1>a very small number of good decisions made on this island,

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<v Speaker 1>and even some of the good ones come back to

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<v Speaker 1>haunt them. So yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yea yea yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so rough spot. Yes, all right, so we have anything

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<v Speaker 1>else to say about this very sad thing? What happened

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode before that very sad ending?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I knew.

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<v Speaker 1>Where we were going, so sad all the all the

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<v Speaker 1>Anna Lucia's soul searching was for not yes, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>she was a good person in the end, Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>case he should have said, wait, don't you wait? I

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<v Speaker 1>got to take her with me. So do we think

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<v Speaker 1>Locke is really on the list as a good person

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore desired by the others, or do we think.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's just not Henry.

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<v Speaker 1>Henry is just a dirty, dirty, dirty liar. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is the fact that he that Locke was

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<v Speaker 2>cured of his ailment, does that mean he's a good person?

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<v Speaker 2>He deserved it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one way that the thing we've seen, of things

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen of his off island life, I've not been promising.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't a bad person, he was just just dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>There really needs to be a third candidate, right, easily conned,

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<v Speaker 1>right bad and easily coned. Locke definitely falls into that

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<v Speaker 1>third one. And Henry's stepping right up into his father's

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<v Speaker 1>shoes and you know, messing with him, right, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Get in get in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Well we shall find out, I guess, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but his head is surely being turned by this. What

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<v Speaker 1>a mess. So next Tuesday we will continue with season two,

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<v Speaker 1>episode twenty one of Lost, of which the title is

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<v Speaker 1>merely a question mark. They will if somebody put on

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<v Speaker 1>the schedule when I under what to call this, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it just got too late and they ran with

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<v Speaker 1>that left there, and I think it's a it's an

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<v Speaker 1>it's an Echo flashback episode.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Echo and Lock have adventures, okay, which

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<v Speaker 1>is which is fun because the two of them are

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<v Speaker 1>like two actors, one character mm hmm, although Echo has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more agency than Locke does apparently, but still

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<v Speaker 1>sure they are the the mysterious guys with something on

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<v Speaker 1>their mind, yes, or would like to in Locke's point.

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<v Speaker 1>Locke's case, he would like to be that guy. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>He's aspiring to be that guy, so it should be

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<v Speaker 1>interesting anyway. We will see you back here tomorrow to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss Running Point, in which no one is shot, although

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