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in former by Great the Brazilian bomber. We got Jonathan

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Tabinari out. The line was up.

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Speaker 1: Jt oh Man.

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Speaker 6: You know I couldn't be doing much better after that

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big win on Saturday, I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, give me your reaction watching that game. How

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important was it for BYU to get that final that

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that final win of the regular season in Big twelve

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play well.

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Speaker 6: Momentum is a real thing, right, and confidence is a

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real thing.

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Speaker 7: And so as they win.

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Speaker 6: That game, they go to they go to Kansas City.

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get two wins in Kansas City. I love them to

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be Kansas State today, West Virginia tomorrow and then be

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able to lose against Houghton only Houston on Thursday.

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Speaker 7: Then they would fly home. They would have Friday.

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Speaker 6: Saturday in Sunday off and then it's election Sunday, and

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then Monday they get to work. Most likely Monday night

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or Tuesday morning. They fly wherever they go, and it's

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NCAA tournament. And so that to me would be the

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absolutely perfect scenario for BYU for the next two weeks.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the confidence.

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Speaker 5: What does a win like this, I guess cre eight

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within that locker room and maybe even create within the

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coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: Have they found their rotation?

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Speaker 5: Have they found their guys that are gonna that they

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can wide and die with during March madness?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's a good question, right. I will say.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if they found a magic formula, but

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coaching based on yesterday in the last two weeks, and

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that's because I can tell you I was over there

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in the tunnel and there were a couple of timeouts

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when Kevin was extremely animated, where he was very feisty

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and fiery the way he was talking to the players,

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the game. You know, sometimes you know me, ben right,

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messages for me thinking, you know, talking about old stuff.

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And on Saturday, I just felt nostalgic and I missed basketball, right, And.

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Speaker 7: I don't miss it a time, but sometimes I do.

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Speaker 6: And I wanted to go to the Mayott Center, you know,

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I told the UYUGV I'm like, hey, mike me up

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and get me ready because I want to go to

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Speaker 7: And I spent.

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Speaker 6: About fifteen minutes on the floor and it was kind

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of empty and there was just you know, just staff

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it in that moment, you know what I mean, like

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a lot of it that I remember, you know, it's

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into nostalgia. And then as I was heading back to

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saw Kevin and we talked for a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 7: Here, I see, huh.

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Speaker 6: And we had a good conversation quick visit not being

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in a very committed state of mind. And and I

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love that they nail their rotation. I don't know, and

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a smaller, shorter rotation worked. I don't think Beido, you know,

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Speaker 7: If they have a seven footer, I have to put

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Speaker 6: And so maybe I think that they got that down.

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full that is a potential national champion, right, I think

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the way BIU plays, if they can't compete then, which

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has been the one thing you and I the last

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two weeks three weeks that we've been saying over and

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over again what can we get, what can we do?

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they did it on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what stood out to you specifically about the competitive

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spirit and the effort that they employed. Was this a

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more invested team collectively? And where did you see it tangibly?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I will say this, to me, it

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was more than anything.

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Speaker 7: It was their effort.

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Speaker 6: You know, the fifty to fifty loose balls buy you

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won most of them. And there's a specific play that

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comes to mind is Canard Davis the start of the game.

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Speaker 7: Like ero for three, oh for four, something like that.

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Speaker 6: But there was a possession on the on the court

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side seats side of the west the hoop where Carnard

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fought for the ball and was able to tip the

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ball and uh as two Texas Tech players were not

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a bounce, the ball became BUYU ball. And so that

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to me is the highlight of the game. I don't

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think I've ever seen Cornard made an effort play like that,

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and so it was really exciting to see.

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Speaker 7: It was super cool to see and to me, that

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Speaker 6: Snapshot of everything you know of of the whole night

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and so to me, if they can duplicate that effort,

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it would be difficult.

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Speaker 7: To beat them.

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Speaker 5: Jonathan Taminari, former BAU Great, the Brazilian bomber're talking to

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mentioned her team, I mean, let's talk about Keva's also

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ability to play defense on the perimeter. Uh, Was that

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the difference in a win or a loss this game

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was the ability of a team and Keba to guard

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on the perimeter and shut down Christian Anderson.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we don't know what Keba is capable of, right,

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and so I don't think if it was his ability

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to do so, I think it was more of, you know,

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the coaching that felt comfortable going to a smaller lineup. Credit,

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you know, all the credit in the world needs to

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go to to Boop, you know, because the way he played,

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you know, like there was a play and you will

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remember this ben in the second half where he grabs

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the rebound and makes a tough bucket, comes back on defense.

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Speaker 7: He's guarding the point guard and.

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Speaker 6: He's clapping and he is waving his arms up, and

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it had been a minute since the Marriotte Center was

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so loud, since the manu, since the Marriott Center was

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so engaged, and so to me, you know that those

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are the things to me that make a difference. You know,

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we know Keba is freakish athletic. We know he can

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jump out of the gym, but to be able to

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see them do it with energy is unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I was extremely impressed with the perimeter defense. Now let

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me ask you this, how how good of a team

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is Texas Tech without JT.

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Speaker 1: Toppin? Like we know, if JT.

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Speaker 5: Toppins on this squad, they are a legitimate top ten

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team at worst. I think they're a Sweet sixteen team

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with JT.

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Speaker 1: Toppin. At best, maybe they're a Final four team with JT. Toppin.

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How good are they without JT?

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Speaker 5: Do you think what it give us a barometer of

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just how good Brigham is and what they're capable of

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beating right now, especially on their home court.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know I will say this, I think

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without JT. Toppin, Texas TACK is probably still a top

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twenty five team. I mean, if you think, if you

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go back and watch the game, then those dudes make

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twelve reason the first half, and you know that's a

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team that they do that night in and night out,

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and so you know, to me, it becomes one of

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those things that they are so good, they are so

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well coached, they're so sharp. You know that that they

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are so efficient. Now obviously when you lose your player

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of the year, right, it's difficult, but it's nothing short

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of what BYU has an experience, you know what I mean,

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clutch and uh, and they need some they need some

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someone to take a game winning shot. They need someone

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to be able to you know, close the game for them.

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has to step up. And you know we've seen people

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Speaker 7: To do it.

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Speaker 6: And uh, you know, but Texas Stack is a very

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good team even without even without JT.

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Speaker 1: Toppin Jonathan Tabnari.

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Speaker 5: Uh, let's talk about BYU's quest for March madness perfection,

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where you where do you stand right now with expectations

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for BYU in the in the NC Double A tournament?

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What seeding do you project they'll get in the NC

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Double A Tournament?

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Speaker 6: So in fold transparency, I didn't think they're going to

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win Saturday. I really didn't, and so with the you know,

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and I thought that they would even have a hard

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time winning more than a game in Kansas City. Now,

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based on their reaction right in the way that they

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came out of play, I would be extremely surprised if

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BYU doesn't win a game, most likely too this week

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in Kansas City. I will, you know, I will improve

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my come a little bit, and I'll say that there'll

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probably be a seven or eight seed.

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Speaker 7: You know, I don't think they'll go as high as

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a nine, but I definitely see them being a seven

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or eight seed.

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Speaker 6: You know, right now they're listed as a sixth. You

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know better than I do that b YU gets adopted

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a seed because of Sunday play. Sure, and so this

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will be one of those things that I think there

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will probably be a seven or eight seed come March.

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, all things considered, I think Cougarnation

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should be pretty happy with that, considering they they've been

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on a down spiral for the last you know, thirteen

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or fourteen games.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean to be honest, you know, I'm a

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firm believer, and I've always said this even when when

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they weren't playing well. You know, like Aj is so

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good that he will probably win an NCAA tournament game

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by himself, right, you know, he gets up for the moment,

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he understands he's in a moment, and you know, he

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really responds well.

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Speaker 7: And so I think he's good for.

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Speaker 6: One game on his own, and then from there, I

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definitely think that some of the other players are going

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to need to step up. And I will say this,

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oh man, that will be crazy. But then here's the thing.

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Ben Aj is so good that after a week of rest,

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you know, can he pull off a magical run and

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be able to get Byu to the Elite eight. You know,

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I think it's possible. I think he is that good

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of a player. I think Robert right is that good

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of a player.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: I think it's you know, somewhere along the lines, you know,

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these guys just got a little bit too. I don't

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want to say complacent, but they got a little bit too.

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The sense of urgency just went away. And I can't

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tell you by what I saw Saturday, it looked like

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the entire team had that sense of urgency.

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Speaker 5: How impactful was it to have Richie Saunders on the

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on the bench, coaching, getting in the into the grills

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of those that you know, he's been playing alongside for

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the entire season. What impact did that have?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, Richie Saunders is the face of the

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Kevin Younga era at BUYU. Richie Saunders most most likely

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is the last uh you know, the last YU player

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to stay for.

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Speaker 7: Four years and improve. Right.

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Speaker 6: A lot can be said about maybe Brody Kolaslowski becomes

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that guy, maybe being you know, record becomes that guy, right,

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Speaker 7: Right now, you know, he is, you know, Richie Saunders.

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Speaker 6: It looks like he is the least of the Mohicans.

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Speaker 7: And so just based on nat you know, he's the face.

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Speaker 6: Of the program, He is the you know, he he

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was the emotional leader and uh, he was very animated, right,

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and be able to see him talking to guys and

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guys responding it was super super cool to see. And

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so I have been told that he is on his

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way to Kansas City, which means you know, BYU will

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have you know, an extra coach on the coaching staff

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if you will, you know of Richie Saunders being there,

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which is a great thing, right when you have your.

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Speaker 7: Leader, your senior leader, your.

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Speaker 6: Emotional leader with you, that's always, you know, a very

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good thing.

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Speaker 5: Jackson Payne tweeted out at the end of the game,

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this is why you never give up on the season.

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B WAU fans had stormed the court, the student section

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of the Rock was alive and well, had people really

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given up on the season? JT had fans donors, had

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they given up on this BAU basketball team.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't think that's a fair thing to say, right.

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I get why Jackson said it, but I don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't agree with that. I didn't think people had

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given up on the season.

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Speaker 6: I think people had, you know, just which I did too, Ben,

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where I was like, just.

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Speaker 7: Get to March.

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Speaker 6: Just can we just get to the NCAA tournament and

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skip the last two three weeks because you know, the

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the mental told that the season was taking. It was hard,

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and so I definitely understand where people were coming from.

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Speaker 7: And you know, but.

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Speaker 6: Obviously you know, nobody had given up on the season.

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But to me, it's one of those things that you're

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just like, can we get to March?

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Speaker 7: Can we get to the NCAA Tournament.

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Speaker 5: Do you think that that aj Debonsa deserves to be

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Big twelve Player of the Year? Had he did he

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do enough to be the Big twelve Player of the Year.

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Speaker 6: I think he did, he did right, But I mean,

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you know that's the thing. An argument can be made

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for J. T. Toppin right, an argument can be made

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for you know, Kiyotoa. I mean, there is a lot

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of different arguments that can be made. I am curious

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to see the way to the Big twelve handles, you know,

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the standings. Because Buyu had a very poor performance. I mean,

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by you will speak, to finish second in the Big

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twelve second bu Yu finished tenth, and so we we

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all know Ben because Buyu, we have all of the

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excuses in the world. In the world, we know that.

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B y U has been depleted. There has been multiple

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injuries and so, but I'm wondering how you know, the committee,

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the voting committee will handle the fact that Aj, you know,

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AJ seen finished you know, tenth in the league, which

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is the same argument for him to be player of

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the Year, right, which is why I think Cam Boozer

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from Duke most likely will be the Player of the year.

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Speaker 7: You know, just because UK is so good and.

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Speaker 6: They've been very consistently throughout the year and so, but

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made that AJ is going to be the Freshman of

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the Year in the conference. He's going to be an

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All American, He's gonna be a first team All American,

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you know.

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Speaker 7: And but I am curious to see, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, when when they release the the awards where every

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you know, where all of the chips fall.

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Speaker 5: Jonathan tabernaar ladies and gentlemen. And just to rehash, you

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think this BYU team can at least get to Houston?

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Is that your expectation in the Big twelve tournament, you

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can at least get to Houston?

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Speaker 7: Correct, that's my expectation.

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Speaker 5: It'd be great to see love this BYU basketball team.

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And uh, they hopefully made some of those that had

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given up on the on the squad the season, UH

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into believers once again to top ten wins.

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Speaker 1: UH.

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Speaker 5: Even though you had a lot you had the the

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low point, you obviously had some great high points towards

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the end of the year as well, with Iowa State

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and Texas Tech victories JT for.

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Speaker 1: Three Jonathan Tabinaar.

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Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, thanks were hopping on for yet another

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edition of Cougar Sports and college basketball and Cougar Sports.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's let's let's take another two minutes here. You

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tell me what is your expectation of this team going

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to the Big Twelve Tournament BN. What What are you

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seeing from a you know, a sports talk show, you know,

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a talking head?

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Speaker 7: What are you seeing? Where do you being the chips

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fall with these guys?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean for me, like I think you can

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you could be a one and done and there's also

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a possibility that you could probably get to the semi finals.

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Speaker 1: You could get past Houston.

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Speaker 5: Just depends on what type of team comes out in matchups, right,

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It depends on you know, I think I think you

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match up well with with Kansas State and West Virginia,

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Maybe not as well with Houston because they're so big,

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long and athletic. That's where the trial's gonna come. But

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I do think scoring wise, b why you can keep

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pace with just about anybody? Can you bound and play

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good enough defense? So they have the capability, I think

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as a ceiling to get to the semi finals. But

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you know, you know, do they have the capability of

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getting to the.

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Speaker 1: Final and winning it all?

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Speaker 5: Most likely, as you mentioned, they're going to be ousted

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by a much more talented and equally as well coached

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team in Houston. It's a neutral court, though, you know,

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so I guess anything can happen. I don't know how

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many BYU fans are heading out to the Big twelve tournament, right?

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Do they feel like there's enough momentum? Does that matter?

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Are they are they buying tickets to go out to

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the Big Toeal Tournament? Are they in waiting simo to

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see which BYU basketball team shows up in March?

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Speaker 7: So?

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Speaker 6: Well, well, and then that brings my follow up, my

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follow up question, which is my last question. I know

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we're wrapping up this segment, but then my question for

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you is did this BYU team do enough on Saturday

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to convince.

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Speaker 7: You that they have a chance to go to the

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Speaker 5: I feel like the Iowa State game gave me more

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confidence that they could get to the Sweet sixteen than

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even the Texas Tech game. And the reason why I

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say that, yeah, I'll give you my reasoning behind it,

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because like I thought, AJ had a good game, but

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he was eight of twenty five from the field, one

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of six from the three point line. Luckily he got

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to the charity stripe as much as he did, But

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he's not getting the calls Like I'm if AJ is

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getting calls BYU can.

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Speaker 1: Be a Sweet sixteen team? Does that make sense?

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Speaker 5: Like if he's getting to the line like Under Jimmer

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or Tyler Hawes in their heyday, drawing fouls and he's

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getting to the to the line twelve times in a game,

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getting BYU into the bonus, then yeah, I think By'

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is a Sweet sixteen team.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think BoA's a Sweet sixteen team.

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With AJ going eight of twenty five, I don't see it.

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I just can't see it.

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Speaker 5: So like AJ is arguably the best player in college basketball,

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you can't go eight of twenty five, and if you do,

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you better go eight of twenty five, like most of

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those better be three pointers, right, Like, you gotta make

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up for it if you're gonna shoot that at that clip.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I stand.

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Speaker 5: Like if I saw AJ getting calls, hitting threes and

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still shooting it with that volume in that raid at

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that clip, and he's he's almost up to thirty points

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per game. Yeah, I think BAU can be a Sweet

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sixteen team. So I'm hoping he gets the calls. I

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hope that the NCAA tournament and the refs that that

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are employed at the tournament, the Big Twelve Tournament, the

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NCUA tournament, they begin to give him a little bit

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more of the whistle, because up to this point in

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the Big Twelve, would you agree the Big Twelve has

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not been friendly to AJ drawing fouls.

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Speaker 6: It's been fifty to fifty I would say that. I

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would say, you know what, Actually, I.

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Speaker 7: Will agree with you. He has been more like.

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Speaker 6: You know, thirty percent of the time he gets the call, yeah,

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and sixty seventy percent they are kind of not giving

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him a friendly whistle.

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Speaker 7: I'll agree with that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is I'd agree with that. I'll meet you

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in the middle. I think it's probably fifty to fifty.

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Sometimes it gets the call, sometimes he doesn't. And I

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think if you look at the numbers when you get

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into the uh the you know, nine and ten and

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eleven free throws, you know, that's when the whistle's a

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little bit more kind to AJ JT.

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Speaker 1: We got to run. But I always appreciate our time.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a really good, great segment, great commentary.

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I hope AJ can can lead the way along with

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Rob Right and the crew. Thanks so much, brother, appreciate

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you all. There you go that shot at the Tevin Aarri.

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