1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,640 the geek Verse podcast. I am one of your hosts, 3 00:00:08,679 --> 00:00:10,320 theok Taylor Field that. 4 00:00:10,279 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: I'm joined by I was there composer I'm love me later, Delmas. 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,199 Speaker 3: The clown Prince of Hallucinations tres Now. 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 4: Yes, was that a Travis impression? 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: That was no? 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:31,879 Speaker 3: Definitely gentlemen. Yeah, apparently I sound like the ladies and gentlemen. 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,359 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 3: Uh No. 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,039 Speaker 1: If I was doing like the Travis, I'd be. 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,719 Speaker 5: Like the Hello. 13 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: I like, you know, lots of o's, lots of o's, 14 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:48,560 but you know what has one oh rings of power? 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,640 Which is what we're gonna be. It's two o's ring. 16 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:59,359 We're gonna be talking about it episode six tonight, my friends. 17 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:01,159 But before we into that, a couple of plugs. You 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,040 can find us with your inter connection the search part 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,760 geek Verse dot se as, our home based key verstcast, 20 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:08,959 our Twitter, geek Versus our Facebook. 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You can send questions in for our 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,719 for episodes, reviews, news topics and all that kind of stuff. 33 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:49,640 And you also get to pick a project a film 34 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:54,480 for us to discuss and watch. So that's Travis. 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: Well and one thing to say, there were a couple 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,280 of benefits you throughout that are for multiple tiers as well, 37 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:02,560 just just to claim, okay, I didn't know that change. 38 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:05,000 I was gone for one week and everything is just 39 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:05,959 on the producer tire. 40 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, multiple tiers, lots of different stuff, so definitely 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,280 go just go check it out. Check out the site 42 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,560 and you can see everything listed in the different tiers. 43 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:15,479 It's a good little place to be and also check 44 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,639 us out on our Discord links are below. Discord is 45 00:02:18,759 --> 00:02:21,960 great group of people talking with all of us and 46 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,840 many different chats Travis, we're gonna talking about it later tonight. 47 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:27,400 But you create a Batman or Penguin chat. 48 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:31,879 Speaker 6: Too, revived the Batman chatrived the penguin we got dead. 49 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, we got all shows, the fl chat, we got 50 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:37,400 the Rings of Power, we got that got football, Marvel 51 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:39,360 Snap Pokemon? Is Pokemon even alive? 52 00:02:39,439 --> 00:02:41,439 Speaker 4: Still in the discord, I might have moved into the 53 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,960 archived section of the if I if no one said 54 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,560 anything in six months, it's out of there. It still exists, 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,520 but you just have to click down below. 56 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:50,599 Speaker 3: That's good policy. 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,319 Speaker 4: It's down in the shadow realm. 58 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, as I said earlier, Rings of Power episode six, 59 00:02:56,159 --> 00:02:59,120 who wants to steer us into the non spoilers to 60 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:01,400 start the first impressions? 61 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 4: Well, I feel like Travis was gone last week, so 62 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,479 we got to hear his thoughts on last week's episode 63 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:05,800 as well. 64 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:08,759 Speaker 3: So I sat in the room and just listen that 65 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,039 wasn't gone. But uh no, so I watched them both today. 66 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,560 So I might be like a little fuzzy to be like, okay, 67 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,879 if there's some mixture, but I think I got a 68 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:19,800 clear point of majority stuff that happened last week. So luckily, 69 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,680 I think and I can say even with this episode, 70 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,599 I feel like with each episode, I am liking it 71 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,759 more and more. I don't think I was in Taylor 72 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:27,639 and Dyllon's camp where you guys absolutely loved it. I 73 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,240 was surprised because Taylor kind of made it sound like sarcastically, 74 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,159 you guys loved it, So I didn't know what I 75 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:35,840 thought going into the review. Yeah, I don't know, that's 76 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,120 a whole that's another neat newscash, just the way you 77 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:38,400 put it. 78 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:39,759 Speaker 4: He doesn't get it again. 79 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,159 Speaker 3: He said something like, oh, yeah, we loved it lol, 80 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:43,599 And I was like, well, who says. 81 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm being honest? 82 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:46,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, but why would you say I'll find it in 83 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:48,840 another time? I'll find it later on. But anyway, so I. 84 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: Enjoyed was saying we loved it lol. 85 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: I'd I'll find it. So I had some issues. I 86 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,039 still in both stuff, and I hate that Taylor made 87 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:01,439 the thumbnail. I'm still don't really care about anything happened 88 00:04:01,479 --> 00:04:03,960 in numanor I just like, especially in this episode, I 89 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,120 just feel like, what are we really even doing with 90 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,639 I hate some of the mythological things that are happening 91 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,319 with Eagles or CBS, like just stuff where it's like Okay, 92 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:17,120 what like sometimes again, do these people have any urgency? 93 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,759 So that's something the drawer of stuff you guys talked about. Yeah, 94 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:22,000 I agree, that's all great. I love I think we've 95 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,079 always enjoyed like the Prince Duran and King Duran. But 96 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,680 it's getting really good and this week like nice little 97 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:30,600 turn between something. I thought the King was gonna do 98 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,920 it and it didn't happen, and we're getting some good 99 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,480 illusions there Saarron and Calbrinborne. It's still like a sixty 100 00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:42,040 forty for me for enjoying it, because I felt it 101 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,959 was a wee. I needed more explanation of these rings 102 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:49,079 are really bad or we made some errors. They could 103 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:51,199 be really bad. How do we fix it? Let's make 104 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,639 more rings. It's just kind of like if you were 105 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,439 to have a gambling debt and like, man, we've lost everything. 106 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,560 What should we do now, Well, let's use our savings 107 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,480 and gambled that I didn't under I don't think they 108 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:04,879 made it clear enough. I do agree with because I 109 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,360 just listened to their review a couple of hours ago, 110 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,600 But Dylan would I agree with that the sorrow and stuff. 111 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:10,959 I like that they're making it more avert that he 112 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,879 is using illusions, hallucinations or tricks where the first few episodes, 113 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,959 I think they were trying to go for that, like, 114 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:20,399 oh is he a smooth talk or is he using magic? 115 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:22,399 But I don't think they executed it well at all, 116 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:25,079 So I thought, just do the whole like clearly they're 117 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:27,519 doing now we'll talk about it in the or in 118 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,879 the spoilers. Some character completely gets mind aft and thinks 119 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,800 a whole one thing and like the reality is completely different. 120 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,920 So I love that se Yeah, I kill Brimbor me 121 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,519 still like, I don't know, I wish that character had 122 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,600 a lot better writing around him. I still think he 123 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,759 kind of feels goofy. I think they added some shades 124 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:47,319 to him last week, which I like, but it's still 125 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,240 some stuff doesn't make sense. I like the guy doing sorrow. 126 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,920 And then my last note for both these episodes, because 127 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:56,199 this episode, I don't know if i'd say it's the 128 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,240 best one. I feel like four or five and six 129 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,399 they're all kind of similar range for me, but I'm 130 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:05,240 still enjoying it. I'm enjoying it the first three more. 131 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,360 I like, we'll tell abo tom My biggest complaint though, 132 00:06:08,399 --> 00:06:11,120 still is almost like with House of Dragon. I got 133 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,000 Barre near the end, but we only have two episodes left. 134 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,639 I feel Collateral's barely been in this thing for someone 135 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,720 that was the main character of the first season to 136 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,399 like this episode, she had a few scenes where she 137 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:24,800 was tied to a chair, like not a big spoiler, 138 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:28,160 like whatever, but that's all she does. Has a few conversations. 139 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:30,959 Last week, she was in a scene. The week before, 140 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,560 she had a cool fight scene, but that was about it. 141 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,199 It was just her and Elron looking me and at 142 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,000 each other. It just feels like she was busy filming 143 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,160 a movie or something and they couldn't have her. If 144 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:43,000 that's the case, then I get it. And luckily they 145 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,040 have said we're doing the five seasons, so I hope 146 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,120 in the fall season she'll take the urgency again. But 147 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,920 every week I just feel kind of disappointed that glad 148 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,800 Reles just just kind of there, you know, she just 149 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,959 just feels like she's making moves. But I just feel like, 150 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:58,560 as the person that got us into this world for 151 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:02,319 this Rings of Power, lit'll disappoint there. So still liking it, 152 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,519 but I'm not like in love with it like I 153 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,800 was last year. But I'm like fingers crossed at seven 154 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,519 and eight are gonna be really good. I think next 155 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:12,639 week we're getting a big episode which we'll talk about, 156 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,079 and then with eight, I hope they just stick to 157 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,519 landing and make me really excited for season three because 158 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:20,160 they did that last two years ago. Whatever. So that's 159 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:21,759 where I'm on episode five and six. 160 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: Nice anyone, it's a dare you can just trying to talk. 161 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:36,120 I forgot how to speak for a second there. I 162 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,240 was just like, for all my muscles, I couldn't do it. 163 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,680 Oh yeah, I feel like for myself, I was actually 164 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,199 quite positive on this episode there. I don't know when 165 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:50,360 we get into certain plots, I just really don't care 166 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:55,240 about the hard foots or the stoolers honestly, even like 167 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:58,199 the Gandalf stuff, Like I it's I guess we're calling 168 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,920 them the stranger right now, but for Gandalf stuff, even that, 169 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,240 I feel like I'm more warm on this week in 170 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:07,319 comparison to where I was in the past, And I 171 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,600 mean that in a positive way to maybe maybe I'm 172 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,399 warming up a little bit more to Tom, but my 173 00:08:14,519 --> 00:08:17,639 interest is definitely more around kind of what's going on 174 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,920 with the dwarves and orageon. And I see where you're 175 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,639 coming from Travis with the Numanor stuff. I think I 176 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,480 actually quite liked what was going on in this week's episode, 177 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:28,759 but for the most part, I don't think it's been 178 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:32,679 as peak as it could have been, like just throughout 179 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,840 the whole season, because yeah, with with two episodes left out, 180 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:37,399 I think I'm gonna be looking back on it and 181 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,080 just not really uh maybe feeling underwhelmed on the New 182 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,639 Minor of this season compared to like last season, because 183 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,240 it was just so new and shiny and I'd never 184 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,279 seen before. I was just like totally eating it up 185 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:52,360 and it was just like totally that just like the 186 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,240 Novelty was just like, oh my god, this is so 187 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,639 crazy how nice New Minor looks. And now that we're 188 00:08:56,639 --> 00:08:59,200 spending more time on it, I just I don't know, 189 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:03,360 I think it could have been handled a lot better. 190 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,879 Speaker 1: Just yeah, the. 191 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:07,759 Speaker 3: Movies allude to the books talk about a lot, so 192 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:10,120 you build this image of your head and then when 193 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:12,759 we get some of those towns people, in my opinion, 194 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,720 brings it down. It's like all right, you. 195 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,879 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I think it could just be feeling a 196 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:18,960 lot more like Game of Thrones Z, because that like 197 00:09:19,039 --> 00:09:20,879 that's kind of what is going on, like it is 198 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:23,159 like a war for the throne right now in newman Or, 199 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,320 and you know, like some of those peak Game of 200 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,720 Throne seasons is around that type of drama, and I 201 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,080 definitely think they have the material to get there, but 202 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,120 obviously just I don't know what the rating hasn't quite 203 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,879 gone that route. But yeah, for the most part, like 204 00:09:38,039 --> 00:09:41,200 sourn and stuff too, Like, I'm definitely really enjoying all 205 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,960 that stuff that was shown, visuals remain to just be 206 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,960 so stellar in the show. Holy fuck, there's one sequence 207 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,600 when yeah, like mind trippy moments going on. 208 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 5: It just it looks so good. I love the look 209 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,039 at this show. So yeah, overall, I'm definitely more positive 210 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:57,320 on it. 211 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: But I am curious how we're gonna be wrapping up 212 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:04,759 just the season overall, and yeah, I don't know, we'll 213 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:05,919 see what happens. 214 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 4: I'll jump in here. This this episode was definitely a 215 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,679 big pivot from the last two in particular, where these 216 00:10:14,759 --> 00:10:17,159 last two episodes we really were spending a lot of 217 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,559 focused time with like three groups per episode, and they 218 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,039 were different groups. And that's why I wasn't as much 219 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,120 a fan of episode four is because the groups that 220 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,919 we were with was like not into it at all, 221 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,000 and then episode five it was a group so I 222 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:32,120 was interested in and then the content was pretty good 223 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:35,000 as well. This one was a way more of a scattershot. 224 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,879 It felt like kind of maybe some of the earlier 225 00:10:36,919 --> 00:10:39,039 episodes in the season where I think we had like 226 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:43,600 we saw scenes from like seven different characters storylines in 227 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:45,360 this and so because of that, pretty much all of 228 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,159 those you're spending like pretty much two scenes with them, 229 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,320 and then the stuff in Aregion we're spending a lot 230 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,720 more time with. And it just didn't really work for me, 231 00:10:53,759 --> 00:10:56,679 Like I feel like we made so little progress with 232 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,440 all of these different camps and then the Aregion stuff. 233 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:02,440 It's too bad because I loved it last episode and 234 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,720 then this episode it just it turned again for me 235 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:07,240 where I don't know if it's a writing thing like 236 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:10,320 you mentioned, Travis, or honestly for me, it's like maybe 237 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,720 acting a little bit, like I just calib Brimbore here. 238 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,240 I was a fan and some of the reactions and 239 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:16,840 phases he was making, you know, part of that is 240 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:18,720 going to be coming down to the writing. And I 241 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:21,639 was just looking on Wikipedia like the right, like every 242 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,240 episode has a new writer and then the last two 243 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,720 have like the same writer plus someone from a previous episode, 244 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,360 so that's a little more cohesive. But yeah, like every episode, 245 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:33,320 it's some like a different flavor, I guess, and this 246 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,840 this episode was not particularly my flavor. So there was 247 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:39,120 not really much that I enjoyed about this episode. I 248 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,679 don't think anything is particularly awful, but I think just 249 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,240 what I said earlier of so little progress felt like 250 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,600 it was made here that I think I was getting 251 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,399 used to, like, Okay, we're spending a lot of time 252 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,320 in these last two episodes, like on certain storylines and 253 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,679 making a lot of progress there, and so there's a 254 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,559 lot more to break down where I don't know for 255 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:56,159 some of these storylines, like I don't even know how 256 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,159 to have to say about the Hartfoots, Like I feel 257 00:11:58,159 --> 00:11:59,960 like I have nothing to add here because there was 258 00:12:00,159 --> 00:12:02,480 really much to break down or have an opinion on 259 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:05,200 there are I definitely have some questions here with sore 260 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:07,440 On in particular, so well, I'm excited to talk to 261 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,799 you guys about that do some theory crafting there. But 262 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,639 that was maybe the only kind of intrigue of the 263 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,279 episode for me, and even that stuff was was middling, perhaps. 264 00:12:17,399 --> 00:12:20,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, this episode, following last week's is a little bit 265 00:12:21,879 --> 00:12:25,799 simmered for me. Last week is definitely really really hype, 266 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,720 but getting into this one, there's some stories that I 267 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:31,679 really really do love and I'm really really engaged with, 268 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:35,120 but then you have, yeah, the Harfoots and the stores 269 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:41,000 that I'm just not engaged with at all. There's certain 270 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:44,879 dynamics between characters that are unfolding with them, and it's like, 271 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,039 I don't care about this that much. I'm sure someone does. 272 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,639 I'm sure someone is like, yeah, this is fucking great, 273 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,639 but you know, it's not for me. It's not my 274 00:12:53,759 --> 00:12:56,559 kind of my kind of Middle Earth that I want 275 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,240 to be watching. So there's that. But at the end 276 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,480 of the day, I think, I think that we're still 277 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:04,759 We're still in this, and I'm still enjoying what we've 278 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:09,840 got so far in this. In this the the Calibrinbore stuff, 279 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:14,000 I am actually really really liking it, and it's quite 280 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,960 quite satisfying actually, with how they tackled some things in 281 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,039 this episode. For me, everything that is during related is 282 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,440 just top tier. That's the bees freaking knees. I'm all 283 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,879 about that right now. So that was that was a 284 00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:28,559 good arc and Yeah, they just they touched upon a 285 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,279 few little things here, and you can tell that we're 286 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,159 kind of getting to the near the end of this 287 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,080 season already. At this point we got like two more episodes. Yeah, 288 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,320 and so already we're getting into some climactic things here, 289 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,679 and I feel like next week is going to be 290 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,200 a pretty hefty one. But I feel like next week 291 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,240 they're going to probably focus on a lot of what 292 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,919 the setup was from this episode, and then the finale 293 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:53,000 is probably going to just maybe cap it off or 294 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:55,399 tie it all together like all the other loose ends, 295 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,360 the other loose ends, all the other stories that they 296 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:00,679 were doing in this episode, because you said, don't there's 297 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,120 a lot of different They touched upon everything in this 298 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,879 episode really with everyone's different arc so it's. 299 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 5: A lot of ground. 300 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 4: I feel like a seal door and I guess el 301 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,279 Ron doesn't make an appearance. 302 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, that one too. 303 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: Is adopted boy. 304 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: The boy wasn't in here, but RONDI was in here 305 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:21,080 for he was He just killed. 306 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:25,639 Speaker 3: Some he was like anything substantial, like we learned nothing, 307 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,000 Like it's just like he ran through the woods and 308 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,679 like who cares what spoilers run the woods, killing orcs 309 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:31,879 it's like, all right. 310 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a spoiler. The Orcs, You're like, I'm 311 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:36,440 not gonna fight. You know, we got pacifist orcs. 312 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: Now, don't a sentence and then they attacked. 313 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:47,279 Speaker 4: They saw yeah. 314 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, anything else you guys have for non spoilers, No, 315 00:14:49,039 --> 00:14:49,360 I just. 316 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 3: Think that like the Kid, we talked about some spoils, 317 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:55,759 but then overall, I just hope for next season, either 318 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,120 they condensed some of these storylines together, like we talked 319 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,240 about Ronde, like get in with We've told this before, 320 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,919 other characters that are in the show, so that you 321 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,919 just do it all together, or start killing some people off, 322 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,799 because we don't. We have too many people that. 323 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,519 Speaker 1: I just I think they're stranger. 324 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,679 Speaker 3: Ronda and the adopted Boy for sure, like they can 325 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,399 go they die in a great battle, you know they Yeah, 326 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,840 they get to meet their mom and like semi girlfriend 327 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:23,480 in the afterlife. Great do that. 328 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:28,039 Speaker 4: A lot more of these storylines were It's almost like 329 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,600 following The Lord of the Rings a little bit, where 330 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,279 like the first movie, we have the Fellowship, everyone's together, 331 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,919 and then in Two Towers everyone splits off and so 332 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,600 we're spending time elsewhere. But even Two Towers has you know, 333 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:40,919 way less storylines than this show does. 334 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's three groups, right, It's like Aragon Boys, 335 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,000 you know, Mary, Pip and the Ants and then Frodo 336 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,080 and Samon Gollum. It's three succinct stories going on. This 337 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,440 is like so many mini stories. I'd probably get rid 338 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,120 of the hard Foot, the Hobbits, the Halflings too. I'm 339 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,440 hoping that's happening based when we get the Spoils, like 340 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,360 a line dropped by Tom, I'm like, Okay, this should 341 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,000 be the way, but I just worry. They're like, well, 342 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,200 it's the Lord of the Rings shown, we need to 343 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:09,440 have halflings in there. It's like, no, you don't like 344 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:11,200 that was good to have them in their first season. 345 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:13,480 They hopefully they got Gandalf to where he needs to 346 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:15,679 go and say goodbye and bring him back in like 347 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:18,039 season four or five, and it's like, oh, it means something, 348 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,919 and I don't know. So I would start with, yeah, 349 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,679 Ronde the adopted boy, even a still door, but they're 350 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:25,559 not gonna get rid of him because he's like Memba 351 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:29,440 Barry's stuff, and then get rid of the halflings that those. 352 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: Are going to learn how the Harfoots just get fucking extinct. 353 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just gonna kill off all those characters. 354 00:16:36,919 --> 00:16:38,799 Speaker 3: And and I've said this from the beginning to get 355 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:41,840 rid of eight ad Our out of there as well too. 356 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,759 Speaker 5: I don't need him a yeah, he's going, he's gonna. 357 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:46,679 Speaker 3: I think he's going. I think if he's not dead 358 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,159 at the end of the season fails. Yeah, he sounded 359 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,639 like he was like, who's that alien Taylor? In the 360 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,600 second I'll wait till we get the spoilers. Never mind, 361 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:57,000 I want to. 362 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,399 Speaker 5: Saying I'll get the fucking cliff right there. 363 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: All right, Well, if you are on Patreon, you don't 364 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,279 have to worry about this ad break otherwise we'll be 365 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,359 right back and we're back, So tell me about this 366 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,400 alien Travis. 367 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: So at one point when which I don't mind, the 368 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,839 scene at our and Glad girl, they're talking right, and uh, 369 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,640 she's like, well we should yeah, no, thank god, No, 370 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:22,680 We're like. 371 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 4: He does touch her wrist, she does similar. 372 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:29,319 Speaker 3: They're talking about you know, the enemy of my enemy 373 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:31,359 as a friend, right and everything, and they're like, well, 374 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,240 I could go back and tell them that you want 375 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,799 to help and we can defeat sarn together. And when 376 00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:38,359 he goes, but what about do you Rock. He sounded like, 377 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,720 Oh it was fucking god, who is her boy from 378 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:44,039 Acolyte that they did all that stuff with this year, 379 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,000 the no the squid heead penis head guy playing Caddy 380 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:51,480 Mundy and tech colons or what Anybody's like, well, what 381 00:17:51,519 --> 00:17:54,079 about the tackle on the Wookies or whatever? He says, 382 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,640 what's that line without the Wookies tailor? Okay, that's what 383 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,759 ad Our sounded like when he's like, but what about 384 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:02,880 the rock? Like, well, I don't know, man, who fucking 385 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:08,440 I know you care? Again? I just wish I mean, like, 386 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:15,000 as the viewers, I think it's the it's back to 387 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:17,160 the like, it's the humanize them. I just wish this 388 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,440 conversation wasn't going on, and I wish this wasn't a thing. 389 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,079 I don't mind as far as it makes sense that 390 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,799 they should work together, but I just wish he wasn't 391 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:28,599 so like kind of bitchy about it, kind of like, yeah, 392 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,359 work together and then you guys are next, like what's 393 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,039 gonna happen to us? Like I don't need that from 394 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,279 the the villa like of partial villain going on. So 395 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,279 I don't know again, I'm I'm just overall super disappointed 396 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:41,960 with the Gladual stuff. I feel like she's taking a 397 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,160 massive backseat. And you know, great that Sarren Soil has 398 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,559 a heart on for and he's like he look like 399 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,640 Lady Gladual last week. That was quite a little moment there. 400 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,200 But yeah, so at our hopefully he's going next week. 401 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:55,720 I'm hoping that's the end of him. 402 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,319 Speaker 1: Two things on that, I think it's it's interesting the 403 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,279 idea of like what happens if the alf Army wore 404 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,880 to show up. We know they're not, but they strolled 405 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,839 up and Glader was like, I got my own army 406 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,839 of Yorks. We're gonna team up. I think the l's 407 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:10,039 will be like, this is fucking weird for you to do. 408 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,720 Gladriel just peculiar. But on the side, note Jarvis, I 409 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:16,039 wanted to know, how do you feel about just this 410 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:18,799 this she elf that has kind of not really much 411 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,960 self esteem like you used to say, she looks like 412 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,559 Gladriel and she's just like ripping and like ripping her 413 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:24,039 clothes off. 414 00:19:24,039 --> 00:19:25,839 Speaker 3: At this point, well she's not ripped her clothes off, 415 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,079 so I'm not gonna go that far. I'm I'm fifty 416 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,480 to fifty on her. I like saar On being mischievous 417 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:34,839 and sneaky, but at the same time, it just feels 418 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:37,920 so like high school drum like I look like the 419 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,839 beautiful Elf. Like it's like, I think I need more 420 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,640 backstory on this side l for me to really believe 421 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,400 what's going on here. But again, I think they allude 422 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,720 to him more just using his magic. As last week 423 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:51,480 he like touched her hand and she like had or 424 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:53,480 maybe that was this week. I can't remember if it 425 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:55,240 was this week or last week. He touched her arm 426 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,799 and she was saying something in their tumbl Calvimborn and 427 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:00,319 it looked like she was on a path off to 428 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,960 kind of telling sor On like he's not right. But 429 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,200 then he grabbed her hand and it moved. So that's 430 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,519 why for me, it's like, Okay, I'm fine with it, 431 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:09,880 just kind of attributing, like him saying Gladeral is almost 432 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,440 like a spell World spell word in a way. So 433 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,160 but yeah, I hope that doesn't go anywhere. I hope 434 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,359 like next season she's not like his Harley Quinn and 435 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,559 she's like, oh, this is my love because I know 436 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:22,680 they're gonna meet up him in glad real soon and 437 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,240 I don't want to be like, oh, I have this 438 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,599 lady that I don't know. I could be a dangerous road, 439 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,359 but hopefully I imagine she's just gonna die next week 440 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:31,680 and then it won't matter, you. 441 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 4: Know, possible. Its taking on some of the ad Our 442 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,240 stuff for a little bit. I mean, yeah, in general, 443 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:39,960 I feel Gladual is like the biggest drop off from 444 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,640 season one, just in terms of screen time, but also 445 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,920 her presence and just how like cool and interesting and 446 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,880 exciting it was to watch her story. I just feel 447 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,519 like a lot of it is very subdued here. But 448 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,079 also she like she got tricked by Adar, which I 449 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:59,079 don't think in theory is a bad thing, and like, honestly, 450 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:01,279 that's the kind of thing I honestly from saur On. 451 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,119 So it's interesting that we're getting at our here like 452 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:07,240 kind of really just doing a great job of over 453 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,960 time getting this information out of her, confirming that hell 454 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:12,680 Broun is sore On for his own means, and then 455 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,039 also getting the location of the ring. So that was 456 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,359 that was really good. I liked that part of it. 457 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,799 I think it maybe took a little bit too long 458 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,680 to like get to that point. But it's also at 459 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,880 the expense of Like, Okay, well, I guess Galadriel just 460 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,960 kind of appears like a bit of an idiot now, 461 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,240 so I'm curious how she's gonna maybe redeem herself. Hopefully 462 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:29,960 she has something nice here at the end of the season. 463 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:32,680 Maybe she can break out of the confinement here and 464 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,559 then go on like a spree or warn some people. 465 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,319 But I'm it already kind of seems like it's too 466 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,279 late for that, So we'll see see what happens there. 467 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 3: Whatever it is. 468 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,319 Speaker 2: The wood fire, Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I think that, 469 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:50,359 like that seemed like really good villain stuff honestly at 470 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,240 our terms of convincing her of that and then just 471 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:55,000 discarding her when she maybe actually still is good info 472 00:21:55,079 --> 00:21:57,079 and wanted to work with him, but nope, he's a 473 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:57,480 bad guy. 474 00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 4: He still doesn't trust her and just has his that 475 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,640 he's set on going for. And so I'm I'm curious 476 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,839 to see how this trap element, if glad Yil is 477 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,440 right about that, how like how much of someone really 478 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,960 is him planning that all along, and how he's gonna 479 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,440 like swindle these orcs to work for him and get 480 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:19,200 rid of ad Ur. I don't know. Once again, he 481 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,119 could do it with a spell perhaps if they're like 482 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,559 if they're weak minded, But as we've seen like these Orcs, 483 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,400 like is it supposed to be kind of like how 484 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,160 Harfoots are like like Hobbits but not quite? Is it 485 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,839 that these Orcs, like over time by like sorrowmon and stuff, 486 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:35,640 are like evolving them to just be more of just 487 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,000 cannon fodder, essentially taking out morality and these other traits 488 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,319 of them. Is that is that part of it? Or 489 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:43,680 they're just like this show has more time with them 490 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,279 and wants to flesh them out in this way. I 491 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:46,079 don't know if I'm. 492 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,279 Speaker 2: Yeah really nice, I'm sure I think it's mostly just 493 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:51,480 the show trying to flesh them out. But I think 494 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,400 you could still make the argument that because you have 495 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,759 the character of ad Are, that's like they're like uplifting, 496 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,480 you know, like leader. And then I think that Sarn 497 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,440 like hal Brian, what the hell he is? Anatar? Saron 498 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:07,279 just is gonna just fucking kill ad Our. And then 499 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,119 from that point, like it's just like I like I 500 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,519 have the crown now or follow me, like like they're 501 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:16,200 already scared of Sourn. They have ad Ar that's gonna 502 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,640 be the one that saves them from him, and then 503 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,000 if he just like murders their father at Ar right 504 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,559 in front of all of them, it's like, oh my god, 505 00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:24,720 like we have no other option. The elves are gonna 506 00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:28,599 genocide us. Maybe he'll do some like smooth silky words 507 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,079 and like say that like he'll protect them, kind of 508 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,319 like how Adar is doing right now. 509 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,759 Speaker 5: But I really hope it. 510 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:37,599 Speaker 2: I don't even want that though, Like I would so 511 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,839 much rather him just be like no, like rule with 512 00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:42,359 a bairn fist, because that's that's pretty much how he 513 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,640 would be ruling, you know. I know I'm not supposed 514 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,599 to be saying it's the same continuity of like the Lordlings, 515 00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:49,920 but I'm just kind of playcating like that type of 516 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,599 idea would be the end goal of it. So I 517 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,160 think that would be it. And then it's just like man, 518 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:00,119 the Orcs are just forever. They can never just be happy, 519 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:04,400 they can never just have their children and raise raise 520 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,640 them in peace times. I think it's just like a 521 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,279 doomed race, and I want them to go that route 522 00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:11,960 because it's just it sucks for them. But I think 523 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,519 it's just fitting more so too the Orcs that I 524 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:16,319 know of, so that's kind of how I'm hoping it 525 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,559 to go, and also how I think it will go, 526 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:20,119 but mostly hope. 527 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you said, if he's gonna try to 528 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:24,799 talk to him, remember the season start with that flashback 529 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:27,279 of the orcs killing him while he's doing his big speech, right, 530 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:29,799 So it's not like that really worked. We didn't get 531 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:33,079 the full context of what I do it again they 532 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,079 keep and the ends up in the water again and everything, 533 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,359 like they never gave us the full context of why 534 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,920 they didn't maybe exactly trust them, But yeah, I hope. 535 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,920 It's just kind of like, Okay, we tried it this way, 536 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,799 but I'm back, get in linery die, I don't care 537 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,960 like you just do what And then they turn into grunts, 538 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,799 and the ones that do I actually would like if 539 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,119 they've gone this route, to stick with it now and 540 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,359 have some orcs pushed back. But then sar On also 541 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,720 murder those orcs in front of everybody and just make 542 00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:00,240 examples out of all of them, like, hey, I don't 543 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:02,519 care that your wife's pregnant somewhere, like we're gonna go 544 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,680 kill all these people. 545 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 2: No more baby orcs, no more fucking sterilyzes, no more 546 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:12,400 not this time. 547 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 4: Like birth in the mud pitch. 548 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like in sports when some coaches like don't 549 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:20,359 let their players like get off before a game. That's 550 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,000 gonna be so wrong. But like for like thousands of years, 551 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,839 like until I've won, you don't have any sex. 552 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,319 Speaker 5: So I hope that line happens. 553 00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:34,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, those are all my at our thoughts. 554 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,839 Speaker 3: Hope he dies next week. Yeah he's not gonna. I 555 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,200 have a feeling he's actually not gonna. I thought he was, 556 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,279 but I feel like it's gonna end off. 557 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 5: I think the finale. I don't think next week. 558 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 3: Oh no, I I have a rumble of my tummy 559 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,279 that he's gonna make it out and it's gonna be 560 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,880 like him and Galadil stuck together somewhere. 561 00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 2: And they I think that relationships are ruined at this point. 562 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything. 563 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: No, it's like they have to work together though, like 564 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,720 Saarron has them captured or like I think it's gonna 565 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,640 be that where they again by proxy, have to work 566 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,160 one another. I hope not. But just thero route they're 567 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,119 setting up here, I just feel like he's gonna lose 568 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,119 everybody and then glad you will see more that Okay, 569 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,920 there is a human in there. Oh God, I don't 570 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,599 want anything. I hope, yeah, hop rid. 571 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:20,279 Speaker 2: Of that urn in the show and just yeah and 572 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,759 give us some more gladial stuff. I don't really touch 573 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:26,319 upon her for for this season, but as you guys 574 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:28,039 were talking about, but I completely agree with what you 575 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,119 were saying where especially Dylan, like, I completely agree. I 576 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,480 think she is by far the biggest drop off, just 577 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:37,359 because she is so easily like the main pillar going 578 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,519 through that first season and then to where she is now. 579 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,759 It is it really just seems like a scheduling conflict 580 00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,519 at this point because I don't know, I think even 581 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,359 the writing reasons on why she's not there is it. 582 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 5: It just seems lazy to me. 583 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: And I think because we're spending time with things that 584 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,119 I find a lot less interesting, like the Harfoots. You know, 585 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:01,839 So just maybe some maybe some gandals that like I 586 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,079 would just so much rather spend the screen time you know, 587 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,200 on on more her dynamic between Anatar or Sourn or 588 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,640 even just other elves. Yeah, maybe maybe you don't have 589 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:19,480 I am happy that there was no Linden stuff. They 590 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,119 did mention Linden in this episode, so I was where 591 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,039 we're gonna be going straight to fucking gil Galad. But yeah, 592 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,359 what a fucking yeah stone brick that guy is. But yeah, 593 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,960 glad y'all, I'm I'm hoping that the finale she really 594 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,720 has more time to pop off, because I did really 595 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,680 like when she was, you know, kicking ass in those 596 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,759 action scenes earlier on this season. 597 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,279 Speaker 3: Stupid high King last week, and I can't remember who 598 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:44,160 was asking him, but he had like his little visions 599 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,799 and they had that weird moment where he like grabbed 600 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,519 his robe and they used like like very low quality footage. 601 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:50,640 I was like, I don't like this. In Lord of 602 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,599 the Rings, I wasn't a fan of like the montage. 603 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:54,519 But then he like looks to his companion. He's like, 604 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,440 he's like, I believe Sauron is the cause of all this, 605 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,799 and I just like, like, you can't say it, like 606 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,200 at least say I believe. I believe that glad Real's 607 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,160 been right this whole time. But it's like I believe, yeah, 608 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,160 like he's taking credit for figuring this all. It's like, dude, 609 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,240 from episode one, man, I think a lot about shit's happening, 610 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,480 and I think it's him. And I've already complained about that, 611 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,319 but they just did it again last week where it's 612 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,759 just like I think the dark Lord is back. It's like, well, 613 00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:25,880 not like come on now, like again, what's what we 614 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,319 even doing with in there other than to like, okay, 615 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,519 you know, Sorron and Calvin Maerhen they wrote the fake 616 00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:33,799 note and that plays into it great, but it's just like, 617 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,400 I don't know, just just a weird moment. Yeah, but 618 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,400 unfortunately he's not like ad Ar. He's gonna be with 619 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,559 us for a bit. So mm hmm. 620 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: What do you guys think of the Bombadil Gandolf two 621 00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:50,720 scenes that we got in this episode. Yeah, I said 622 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,599 that I was getting more warm to it. I still 623 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,720 don't like that he's kind of like on a side 624 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,119 and like he is speaking philosophical and like just just 625 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,279 speaking in riddles to Gandal, But it still seems like 626 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:04,680 he's very much like Soaron's evil. 627 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 5: You need to get rid of him. 628 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,279 Speaker 2: And I really just wanted him to be an absolute 629 00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:11,920 neutral character, kind of like how the Answer were trying 630 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,680 to be, you know, before they do end up picking 631 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,039 a side. But I guess that's just like my personal 632 00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,799 bias into it. The actual scene itself, I forget the 633 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,559 Chap's name that that's playing Tom Bombadil. But I do 634 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,079 really like his performance and everything, Like I think he's 635 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:29,440 I think he's really fantastic, just going back and forth 636 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,720 between him and Gandalf in that one sequence. But yeah, 637 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,880 like like deep down, it's like, ah, I wish he 638 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,279 was just completely neutral and was was you know, not 639 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,599 really guiding Gandalf to a certain point. 640 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,079 Speaker 3: But that was the part of your problem with him. 641 00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:43,960 He didn't like that he was always like always just 642 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,799 around doing nothing. I thought you hated that. 643 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,119 Speaker 5: I don't hate that. 644 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: That's what makes him Tom Bombadil and just one of 645 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,359 one character in this amazing you know, like just world 646 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,200 that is Tolkien's universe. But because like I don't know, 647 00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:59,240 like I think I would have preferred like if it 648 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,319 was Sourman for example, like guiding Gandalf on this journey, 649 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:04,400 like teaching him how to be like a wizard, as 650 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,720 opposed to Tom Bombadil kind of doing that. But I 651 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:09,640 don't know, Like I still like the scene. I like 652 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,960 the dialogue. I think there was some good line said. 653 00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:16,000 So yeah, like if I'm able to just kind of 654 00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:17,839 keep my biases at the door and just. 655 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 5: Enjoy the content, for what it was. I did really 656 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,160 like the scene. 657 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,359 Speaker 2: I liked when he looks back and he's just completely gone, 658 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,200 because that like adds to the mystery of what Tom 659 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,319 Bombadil is because we never see Gandalf do that or 660 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:29,680 any other wizards, right, so it is something that is 661 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:33,480 unique more so than just other magic users that we've 662 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,279 seen in the past. So I did like that aspect. 663 00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,240 But for the most part, I still think that he 664 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:40,400 should be written a little bit differently. 665 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,319 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 666 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 5: I'm I'm just stubborn in that sense. I guess most you. 667 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: Could just say it thousand years later, right, So maybe 668 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,839 he changes a little bit over time, he gets less 669 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:53,240 and less uh with it, forgets with it, but uh 670 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,160 uh yeah, I think this is it for him for 671 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,079 the most part. I think he's gonna be I'm not 672 00:30:58,119 --> 00:30:58,880 saying he'll never go. 673 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 5: Hadaway right to give Gandalf his hat once he's done. 674 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's five seasons, That's what I'm saying. 675 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,559 Speaker 3: Like he's not gone forever, but I think he's done 676 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,480 this season when he disappeared. I love when he looked 677 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,920 at there like old tomb Bombane will show you the way, 678 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,440 Like I like that. I wish they made him a 679 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,359 little more weird. I was wanting him to be a 680 00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,519 little more off the wall because he is in the book. 681 00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:20,960 So he didn't get him singing either, So yeah, I 682 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,440 was a little disappointed by that, but I liked enough. 683 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,079 I do agree with you, Kirklinz a little. It's go 684 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:28,400 tub before where I don't need the This is literally 685 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,680 just a exposition jump jump for Gandalf since episode four 686 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,440 pretty much of Hey, this is your path is what 687 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,680 you guys. It's just laying out what's gonna happen in 688 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:38,519 Lord of the Rings, and I think that's kind of yeah, 689 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:40,960 I guess I'd rather do him just be Gandalf and 690 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,799 then okay, what were his ventures or stuff beforehand? You know, 691 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,160 but it's clearly not like even though I'm just using 692 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,680 the words destiny like it is odd, right because either 693 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,720 way not the movies Gandoff does you know, die but 694 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,960 then gets recent to kind of you know, balance the scale. 695 00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,079 So you could make an argument like it is a 696 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,880 destiny sort of say situation, But how I view gain 697 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,200 if it's not like his destiny is to fight and 698 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,880 take down sar On. You know, that's not the way 699 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,720 I think of it as when I watched Lord of 700 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,400 the Rings. So it is when you throw the word 701 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,279 destin out, it's a little it's a little odd. But 702 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,279 before anyone else goes because I don't want to forget, 703 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,720 we talked about Taylor talking about last week's episode. He said, yeah, 704 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,880 it was great. The bar is set high right now, 705 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,920 l L. So that's why. 706 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,279 Speaker 1: But differently, I didn't say me and Dylan that was 707 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:28,519 the greatest episode, O L. 708 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,519 Speaker 3: No, I gotta go back. No. I think you said 709 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,759 you and Dal really like best episode so far of 710 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,880 all time for me and Dylan, and that's what was that. Yeah, 711 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,400 it was great. The bar was set L. 712 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: Sorry, this was a text to you. 713 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know. 714 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 4: I thought you were saying that you listened to the 715 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,839 podcast and he said that on last week's review. 716 00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 3: But still, if he were to say the bar is said, 717 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,839 if I had not seen the episode, I'm on the road. 718 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:53,519 I asked how the episode is, and if he says 719 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,240 the bar is set high, l L, I don't take 720 00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:59,079 that as it was a good episode last week. So 721 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,640 that that's where I was surprised. 722 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: But I was after L O L. 723 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,319 Speaker 4: Is definitely an interesting flavored choice. 724 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was after the statement though, I said, greatest 725 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,160 episode of all time so far. 726 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 3: But then but but why still have the loll at all? 727 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,640 So the bar said high lol yeah friendly, Like imagine 728 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,720 imagine the first time well. 729 00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 4: You picture you knew was a lighthearted statement. 730 00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: I guess, like, imagine the first time made love and 731 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:24,640 she texted me how was it? And you like, bar 732 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,839 said high l L. 733 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: So the first message would be like, that was the 734 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,960 greatest thing of all time, and then after though, and 735 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,119 the next next message should be like, oh yeah, I 736 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,640 know the bar said really high low. I'm like, okay, yeah, 737 00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:42,079 after after the. 738 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:47,799 Speaker 4: Other comment context he yeah, yeah. The the I guess like, like, 739 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:50,000 I don't have as much of a preconception as you 740 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,839 two in terms of what this character should be like 741 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,000 or even what I want him. 742 00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:54,079 Speaker 3: To be, like. 743 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 4: This is my first experience with him, but I just 744 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,400 felt like this sequence, h well, one, it was very 745 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,920 different than how he was acting, not even well maybe 746 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,079 not acting, but at least how he was written previously, 747 00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:05,880 where I did feel like he was more lighthearted in 748 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,400 those previous scenes, and definitely he still had that mystery 749 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:12,159 factory factor to him, but he was a little bit 750 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,239 more fun where is this. He was much more stern, 751 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,719 and I just felt like it wasn't that interesting where 752 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,039 Gandalf's like, Okay, I gotta I've been having dreams of Norway. 753 00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,639 I gotta go save her. And then he's pretty much 754 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,639 just like, okay, well you could save her, or you 755 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,400 can or every and then everyone else in the world 756 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,159 will die ever, or you can go and stop that 757 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,239 and then everyone lives. So it's like, okay, well, that's 758 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,320 not that really interesting of a dilemma. I mean you 759 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,079 pretty much just it's like the easiest trolley problem of 760 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,599 all time, like one person, you know, one one for 761 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,480 a million, the classic tomb raider, mean there, So I 762 00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,840 don't know it just it just wasn't that interesting to me. 763 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,719 And then he just pieces out there. So it was 764 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,440 just so little that it was hard hard for me 765 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,199 to feel too against it or for it either way. 766 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,840 But uh yeah, I guess if you're right, Travis, this 767 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,000 is the end of Balmbadil for like this season or 768 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000 this sequence. I'm curious what this Gandalf like on his 769 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,000 own will be up to because we haven't really seen 770 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,880 that much in this show. Just like people on their 771 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,119 own at any point, it's always in the relation of 772 00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:14,039 someone else. So I don't know. Maybe he maybe he 773 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:15,840 doesn't listen to maybe he does go back for Norrare. 774 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,599 I'm not sure, but we'll see the world. 775 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot you brought that, like we did. I 776 00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:22,800 didn't talk about that, but I'm glad you brought up. Yeah. 777 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,840 I I wish that was done a little more cautiously 778 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,440 because it just just makes it seem like, yeah, you know, 779 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,960 neither be friends with these hobbits or the world ends 780 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,519 like no, there's not like a middle ground there, because I. 781 00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: Think that's as kirklin sid would have been perfect, like 782 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:40,239 something a little more ambiguous, something more to. 783 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,079 Speaker 4: Like chew on. But it was just so like plain statement, 784 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,119 very specific. 785 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I said that, and I said this 786 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:48,840 to non Splas, my hope is that it's pushing him 787 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,559 away from the horror foots, you know. That's my hope 788 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,440 is that he does have to this end of the season, 789 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,039 he says goodbye to them emotionally hug which I will say, 790 00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:01,159 if they do say goodbye, super that'll hurt my final 791 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,880 rating for this season because we did like their chemistry. 792 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,280 So if they're gonna say goodbye, why don't you have 793 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,480 all of season two, him the Harfoots, Power a Round 794 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,239 going adventures. Then well we gotta say goodbye, our journeys 795 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,599 over till next time, you know. But to have them 796 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,480 together for three episodes, separate them, put them back together 797 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,639 for the finale, and then him probably say bye again, 798 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:21,639 what a what A yeah? 799 00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,199 Speaker 4: I guess it just feels like, in my opinion, it 800 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,119 feels like they are no more than like a three 801 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,559 hours journey from each other right now on the map. 802 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,239 But since the time in this show is so confusing, 803 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,880 I don't know, they could be so far away from 804 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,719 each other at this point. They could be weeks or 805 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,800 months away from each other. I don't know how that 806 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,599 would have happened, because they haven't really moved much since 807 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:44,400 they've got to the Stewards. 808 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,599 Speaker 2: And then him with bomba deal. But who knows what 809 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,360 happened with his tornado blast thing. Maybe it launched them 810 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,679 halfway across the Middle Ear. 811 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, Taylor, you didn't talk about ghandof at all. You 812 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,559 were just sending loll texts. 813 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: I did not talk about Ganda, yeah he he. In 814 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,639 my opinion, has the destiny card of needing to be 815 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,079 present in Middle Earth to defeat Saron. I feel like 816 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:12,920 that's how I kind of take that in when I 817 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,199 watched lot of the Rings. 818 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,599 Speaker 3: Because you think it's his destiny to be there. 819 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,559 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's his destiny because I 820 00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,280 feel like you have the wizards here that are present, 821 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,440 and not all of them fulfill their destinies, like you 822 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,519 have Saramon who completely fails and watches it. So you 823 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,159 have a lot of them that are still like lingering 824 00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,519 around Middle Earth, like like rat of Gas and the 825 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:35,599 Blue Wizards, so they are not like completing what they're 826 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,960 sent there to do. 827 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 3: What's destiny versus like a job, you know, because it's 828 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,840 Sarn's job that or Sarmon's job to help. 829 00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 2: Out this fancy way to say job. You know, it's 830 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,960 your destiny to come in. 831 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,519 Speaker 3: I don't like that. 832 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 5: That's what you have. It's like, you know, what fun 833 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,800 that I'm gonna go off in the wilderness. 834 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,039 Speaker 3: With the Blue Wizards. 835 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:57,079 Speaker 2: They're like, no, we're going We're going to the East. 836 00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,159 We're going in touring to Europe. 837 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 3: Don't like that? 838 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,639 Speaker 1: Mmhmm uh so yeah, I just I think that it's 839 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,880 it's destiny, and like, you know, you try to quit 840 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,320 your job by by dying and your boss just pulls 841 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,639 the resurrection card on you and sends you back in, 842 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,159 so you just, uh, you know, he couldn't escape it. 843 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:23,039 But all at all, at this point, I'm I didn't 844 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,000 feel like the sense that he was just gonna give 845 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,000 up on the Harfoots. I feel like something's gonna happen. 846 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,760 He's probably gonna find his staff within five minutes and 847 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,440 then he's just gonna just fucking charge him there and 848 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,079 then say the stores and the Harfoots and all that. 849 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,000 So I think I think that's what's gonna go down. 850 00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:41,559 I'm not. I'm not feeling like they're necessarily gonna just 851 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,480 go their own path, even though I I because like 852 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:47,519 we need to have a little bit more time. I 853 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,039 feel like to really cement that relationship. As to White 854 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,079 at Up is just fucking obsessed with Hobbits, and I 855 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:56,639 feel like this little journey with them, oh he's obsessed, 856 00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:59,719 you know, like Dragon takes over Arabor. I'm gonna go 857 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,159 get myself a fucking hobbited one ring. I'm gonna get 858 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:06,000 four fucking Hobbits for this one, like. 859 00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:11,039 Speaker 4: The only years right between like this and Fellowship. Mm hmm, 860 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,239 there's other hobbits. 861 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,599 Speaker 1: That's true. It is a long time, so I mean 862 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:18,639 he gets like a time to form a little list 863 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,159 and like roster of names, this hobbit, that hobbit. 864 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 3: He only wanted one hobbit. Mary Pippin tagged along, and 865 00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:27,639 Sam was only supposed to be there as like his 866 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,679 like you know bag boy or whatever you know bad boy, 867 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,239 he is fellowship boy. 868 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,519 Speaker 1: He definitely wanted Sam. He smacks Sam in the garden 869 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:39,480 and dragged him in, is like, I got a better. 870 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,079 Speaker 5: Use for you. He's like, yeah, like what are. 871 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 3: We gonna do? I guess the assassins But. 872 00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:50,159 Speaker 4: Like what you're saying to earlier to like, I don't. 873 00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,480 I can't see many of these stories having a satisfying 874 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,639 conclusion on this season. No, like me, this this episode 875 00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:58,840 more than ever. I was like, oh, yeah, they confirmed 876 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,480 five seasons, right or like they. 877 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like the Dark Wizard Dark Wizard versus Gandelf 878 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:06,239 is gonna happen. But like I feel like that in 879 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,159 itself is at least like a twenty minute situation because 880 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:10,280 you want to have a lot, you want to have 881 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,360 them talking. There's gonna be a lot of dialogue. Probably 882 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,079 the Dark wizard turning him over, converting him, and then 883 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,239 you're gonna have a fight. Like that's not something you 884 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,199 can really squeeze into uh what like a fifty minute 885 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,360 I guess they're full hours or at least an hour, 886 00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,440 So an hour long episode and we have a full 887 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:32,039 war to go on with Ergion and then we have yeah, 888 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,679 like Gil Glad, like are we even gonna see him again? 889 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,480 Like is he just like he's paralyzed in fear with 890 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,199 holding his fucking jewels, like his ring, Like, I don't know, 891 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,920 there's so many there's there's a few characters here. That's 892 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,159 just there's so much to go on. And at one 893 00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:49,079 point where I thought that even the ball rog was 894 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,079 going to pop in, it's not gonna happen this season. 895 00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,840 They're just they keep even again that he was in 896 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,320 this episode twiddling in the fires, like they just keep 897 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,280 toying with it, so and. 898 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,280 Speaker 3: So on, so on, because I listened to you, because 899 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,320 tell you like, oh, Sarron has no idea that he's there, 900 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,000 but now he does. 901 00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 7: Now he does, and he's smiling, he's always I felt 902 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,360 like I feel like that scene like confirmed that he 903 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,440 knew that it was there the whole time like the 904 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:13,679 present since then he's wanting them to you know, delve 905 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,000 deep and greedy. 906 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 3: Because to me, it was like a a quiet threat. 907 00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,960 It was like he wanted them just to give him 908 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,519 the stuff and then he didn't get it. Well, his 909 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,239 plan B was well the bell rocks and unleash and 910 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,800 just mess your guys up. But like, unfortunately he didn't 911 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,239 like reveal that to the four Dwarves. They didn't get 912 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,920 that end of the year, like maybe if they knew 913 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:36,039 likely it's a bad way. But I sort and said, hey, 914 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,599 I'm gonna fuck this whole place up if you don't 915 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,519 give him stuff. Maybe it's like, okay, we'll give you 916 00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,360 the the kny thrill, you know, but now he's no, 917 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,280 he's anyways, he got the most curious to anyways did 918 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,199 he or is that also a falsehood that. 919 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:54,079 Speaker 2: He was kind of like you know when like a 920 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,159 fake drug dealer like sells a regueo to someone and 921 00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:58,639 pretending like I didn't know if that's what he was doing. 922 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: But it's his product, right, so like like why would 923 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,199 he make fake rings? I feel like he'd want the 924 00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:06,800 real thing. 925 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,159 Speaker 6: But maybe yeah, but if he can't get the real thing, 926 00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:10,840 he has to go with what he has. 927 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: Right, which is better than the real thing. 928 00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 3: No, but it's maybe more tainted, but it still works, right. 929 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Soren's not looking for a pure ring here. Yeah, 930 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,840 Caleb Brimbor wants a pure ring. He just wants an 931 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,400 effective ring that'll do what he wants it to do, right, 932 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,039 Like he does. It's not like he just, oh, I 933 00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,519 need dud rings for these men, Like he does want 934 00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:31,760 them to do what he wants them to do. I'm 935 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,960 just also curious if the myth thrill is as important 936 00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:38,280 to that goal, Like, like, does he really need it 937 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,159 to get it? I think yes, because he did seem 938 00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:44,719 a little bit bummed when Duran didn't accept his offer there. 939 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,840 But I'm also curious if that's more so he's just 940 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,320 bummed that he wasn't gonna keep digging deep and greedily. 941 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,480 But they are doing that, so like I feel like 942 00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:56,119 he's really just playing like four D chess at this point, 943 00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:59,519 and just it seems like every move that is happening. 944 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,519 One might argue it's just like, well, of course it's 945 00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:06,039 Souron's plan all along, that everything's happening. But I also 946 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,559 kind of like if that is the case, even if 947 00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:10,840 it is like a bit of a stretch that he 948 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,880 has so much influence. I feel like, because he is 949 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,639 just such a ethereal type being of darkness, of evil, 950 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,159 of all these things, Like I would believe that that 951 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,000 is possible that he does have all that. But you know, 952 00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,719 like I'm curious if someone that doesn't, like even if 953 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:29,960 they haven't seen Lord of the Rings, if they're just 954 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,239 watching this show, like, is that an a believable thing 955 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,239 for just having this hall Brand character, if he is 956 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,400 just like you know, like, I'm curious for an audience 957 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,639 member like that, how they feel on just all of 958 00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:42,519 the reason it's like, oh well, it's Souran all along. 959 00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:43,920 Like when Gladiel's freaking out. 960 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,559 Speaker 5: It's like it's him. It was him the whole time, because. 961 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,039 Speaker 2: He is like the answer to all of the issues 962 00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,400 right of everything that's going on right now in this world. 963 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 3: I would love to ask those people because I I 964 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,280 would get the feeling lots of general audience don't like 965 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,960 this sar On because they're not familiar with it. Because 966 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,559 in the movies you just see big evil guy in armor. 967 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,639 That's spooky. So I feel like to have him looking 968 00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:09,320 like Halbrand, have him looking like this elf. Like, I 969 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,519 feel like that is probably a big disconnect for people 970 00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:13,960 when they've. 971 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 6: Tried in the marketing to like they have. 972 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,280 Speaker 3: Him all the time as his anatar version, right, like, 973 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,119 this is Sorrow and he's coming. But I don't think 974 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,960 jar Auens is like, oh my god, yes, that's sorrow. 975 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,639 I think they look at him be like that's sorrow. 976 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: Like. 977 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 3: I don't know if it really connects with that with 978 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,039 the people that love just the. 979 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,599 Speaker 6: The movies in a sense that oh I saw them. 980 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 3: A couple times and I, you know, not the way 981 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,599 we love him right that enjoy them, but the more 982 00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,840 casual enjoyers of it. So and I don't know, maybe 983 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,519 he was just bummed that the king just even said 984 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,000 no to him, right, Maybe he thought like he's just 985 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,559 checking in to like see if he's stills control over 986 00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:51,559 this guy. And I was surprised that King durn said 987 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,920 no because I thought, you know, this this ring is 988 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960 still on him and he's been having a little bit 989 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,440 of you know, he's hit his son, so not a 990 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,719 great father the year. So I was surprised that he 991 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,559 did say no to Sorrow. But uh uh, yeah, that happens. 992 00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,639 Speaker 1: Well, it makes sense right, like what his plan is. 993 00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:12,280 He's he wants Souron to come back, begging, like I'll 994 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,920 pay like three times what I was offering before just 995 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,920 for some me throw. So he was like he's a 996 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,559 weapons dealer now it does. 997 00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:20,639 Speaker 3: But I just still thought like Sarin had like sorry, 998 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,239 with these rings, maybe would have more control over him, 999 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,079 you know, more just like make him do kind of 1000 00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,440 whatever he wants, like puppeteering in a little bit. So 1001 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,239 that's why I was surprised he still has some free 1002 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,719 will going on, because last episode he just seemed like 1003 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,480 a man possessed and that's where this week he still 1004 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,039 did to an extent, but he still had like a 1005 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,840 moment of clarity for himself. So I thought Sorrow would 1006 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,880 just like, oh, I got these rings on them, We're 1007 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,119 good to go now. You know, it's not the case. 1008 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,599 Speaker 1: I would say, like he he definitely like was able 1009 00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:50,119 to tap into these rings and like cause a little 1010 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,440 bit of a ruckus. But these rings are different from 1011 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,360 like the one ring, and like the rings of men, 1012 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,320 they're a tear below what the Helvin rings are, so 1013 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,159 like he definitely helped to make them, but as tainted 1014 00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:06,280 as they are, they're definitely not like a full on 1015 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,840 like I think in service of souron, But. 1016 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,639 Speaker 4: I definitely have some questions with his plan there, Like 1017 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:18,400 I didn't think about the bell Rock angle like you 1018 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,679 guys did. That's that's very smart. I'm wonder like I 1019 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,599 am curious about that, Like if that is fake my thrill, 1020 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,840 like that kind of makes sense, but if not, Like 1021 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,880 is that is that why he went there? Like maybe 1022 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,320 he figured that would be King Duran's answer, but he 1023 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,159 wanted to get some anyway. But I don't know where 1024 00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,039 he would have got that from. He like snuck in 1025 00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,719 because if he did, we didn't see that sequence. 1026 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,599 Speaker 1: Well, he dropped a name, right, what was that dwarf's name? 1027 00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:47,119 Like the head nar minor guy? 1028 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 5: What was that Kirk Narvy? 1029 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,559 Speaker 1: Like happened? 1030 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,280 Speaker 4: What are you talking about with? 1031 00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: When he's talking to Kler Brimbor, He's like, yeah, Narvy 1032 00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:00,719 gave me like the most purest and outer form of 1033 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,599 me thrill. 1034 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,559 Speaker 5: Just because he's like the headminer like you. 1035 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So maybe he pults some magic on him and convinced. 1036 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:08,599 Speaker 4: I mean, what wasn't he lying to him for like 1037 00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:10,239 five minutes straight in that sequence? 1038 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: Uh? Just visually, But I think. 1039 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 4: I guess I didn't think twice about him talking about Narvi, 1040 00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:18,960 like if the whole thing was he fabricated this whole 1041 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,159 fake world for him, so I wasn't like, oh, but 1042 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,159 that one line that's that must be legit, so maybe 1043 00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:25,920 that is what it is. If that is the case, 1044 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,760 I feel like it was maybe a bit messy the 1045 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,880 the betrayal of that. This other thing too is I 1046 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,559 feel like it's so important for him to be in Orangion, 1047 00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:35,519 Like what he's doing with Calibrinbore has to be done 1048 00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:39,000 with such a perfect balance, because we even saw last 1049 00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,599 week that Calibrinbore was pushing back on some of the 1050 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,760 things that he was saying, and maybe this is all 1051 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,440 part of his plan, but I feel like there is 1052 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,800 an angle to it where he has magic powers and 1053 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,639 we actually we did see that this weekend. We can 1054 00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:52,480 talk about that, but for the most part, like he 1055 00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:54,079 really has to be on top of it. And we've 1056 00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,239 talked about how like, Okay, it doesn't seem like kauz 1057 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,360 a Doom and Oragan are that far from each other, 1058 00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:02,199 but still he actually traveled there and it like, let's 1059 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,159 say that takes a week or a couple weeks like 1060 00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:07,280 that's potentially a long time to be away, and maybe 1061 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,199 in that time, calibern working theory kind of come back 1062 00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,440 to his senses a little bit, if he's not being persuaded, 1063 00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:14,559 not being hit with that dark magic while he's away, 1064 00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,039 and maybe he can kind of connect with some of 1065 00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:19,719 his smiths again or something. So it seems like a risk, 1066 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,800 but once again, it's it's my biggest confusion with the 1067 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,960 show in general, I think is just the uncertain time 1068 00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:29,320 jumps that we have, Like he just goes to cause 1069 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,559 a doom. We don't really know how long that takes, 1070 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,400 but it feels like that would be a big commitment, 1071 00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,400 especially when there's fucking orcs on the front porch. Yeah, 1072 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,519 of aragy on that whole time before he leaves, after 1073 00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:42,199 he leaves, during while he's away. It's it just seems 1074 00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,440 like such a big risk. And if he went there 1075 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,360 to get the myth role makes sense. But if he 1076 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,679 didn't and this is all a fake ruse, and then 1077 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,039 it doesn't seem like it was really worth it, or 1078 00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,920 a big miscalculation, which doesn't seem like he's doing right now. 1079 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,679 It seems like he's on top of his game, So 1080 00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:58,880 I'm left a little little confused, but maybe we'll get 1081 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,079 some of those answers kind of a tractively next week. 1082 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 2: I didn't really think about that, like transportation aspect of 1083 00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,840 him getting like it seems like it's like a blockade 1084 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,840 of orcs right all around. Reggaeon on the logistics of 1085 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,159 how he would have got there. 1086 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,119 Speaker 5: I don't know. 1087 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 3: It's yeah, he's magic though, right, Yeah, I knows it's 1088 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,760 big plot armor. But it's just like, I just feel like, 1089 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,840 I know he's we talk about like what is the 1090 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,599 power level sarum, But I just feel like at any 1091 00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:29,960 point they're like, oh, yeah, well he knew this little shock. 1092 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,119 Speaker 2: He got from Mordor to fucking Lyndon or a regae 1093 00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:34,800 on where the hell he was you know, from the 1094 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,440 end of season one, season two, that's much further. That's like, 1095 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,199 it's further than Frodo's journey. 1096 00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:43,840 Speaker 4: He can he can zip around, I guess. 1097 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just you're talking about Killer Brimbod there. I 1098 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,039 feel like I feel like, while watching the show, it's 1099 00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:53,480 made me like question myself on like how much I 1100 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,679 really knew about this character or if this is like 1101 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,920 I don't know, somewhat accurate, if he was always like 1102 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:03,599 so obsessed with his craft that he would just completely 1103 00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,559 disregard like his entire kingdom. I did really like the 1104 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,920 sequence actually when he does kind of he's able to 1105 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,440 open up his eyes momentarily at least to actually put 1106 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,719 the safety of his city over, you know, the craft 1107 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,440 of the rings. It's like, I gotta go check this out. 1108 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,559 And then it's all you know, sarn his mind fuckery powers, 1109 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,480 and then he has that breath of like you know, 1110 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,280 just just the relief exhale. It's like, Okay, I can 1111 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,559 actually focus on my craft because my city is safe. 1112 00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 5: Like I did like that moment, but I feel like 1113 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,239 it's just been super. 1114 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 2: Maybe inconsistent of like him being off the rails basically 1115 00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,400 Jack from fucking the Shining level of like crazy of 1116 00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:48,079 so obsessed with his craft, like just yelling at his 1117 00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:49,360 smiths and all that. 1118 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:51,519 Speaker 3: Working here. 1119 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like like I did, because I like those moments 1120 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,400 of just like the actual presence of Sauron and when 1121 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,880 he's like it's super clearly like gas lighting gilabrinboard when 1122 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,000 he's looking for his like hammer, it's like you looking 1123 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:06,320 at that. 1124 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,079 Speaker 5: One right, there's like what is going on like. 1125 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,519 Speaker 2: That? It's like one step away from Hannibal when he 1126 00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,239 fucking gives Will's. 1127 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 3: Where the hell it is you wanted to want? Season four? Yeah, 1128 00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:29,639 don't get those mess up from the doctors. I got 1129 00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,480 a case. Yeah. No, he's just like his mind's gonna 1130 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,679 be completely gone by in this season. Is he making 1131 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,199 out of the season? Is he somebody that's around still? 1132 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:37,880 Like I feel like I. 1133 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 2: Could see him going down in the siege of a 1134 00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:43,159 rag Yon. Yeah, especially if it's like right at the end, 1135 00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:45,559 like a city is just crumbling and he like realizes 1136 00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,360 of like everything that he has done, and it's just like. 1137 00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:50,559 Speaker 5: What a way to go out, like just knowing all 1138 00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:51,039 of that, Like. 1139 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,639 Speaker 4: He takes the last hammer swing of that ninth ring 1140 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:55,719 just slits his throat. 1141 00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:58,760 Speaker 5: That could be. 1142 00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 1: That could very well be the case. 1143 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:03,519 Speaker 2: I'm hoping we at least see some emotion of realization 1144 00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,480 from him, just how the actor kind of you know, 1145 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,280 pop off and click in those moments. 1146 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,679 Speaker 5: But good, Yeah, I don't know. 1147 00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 3: I hope I get like my trial episode with him 1148 00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:14,239 next season. It's just. 1149 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 5: Like and like the head see with the Judge Hammler. 1150 00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:22,320 Speaker 6: Because random man just came in started take making rings. 1151 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,760 Speaker 3: With you and you didn't think that was odd, Like 1152 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,280 they just grow on me. He's like, I am the 1153 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,800 dumbest elf ever to live, and. 1154 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,760 Speaker 1: It's being a dumb Elves. Let's jump to another at 1155 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,039 break here and we are back. 1156 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 3: Dumb. Aren't elves dumb? Well, with syphilis, you can make 1157 00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:42,639 them smarter, just. 1158 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 5: Like a total targeted ad. 1159 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 4: Whatever the Okay, So the big illusion that he pulled 1160 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:56,480 on calibrimboord there, Uh? I have questions? What is this 1161 00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:58,679 an evolution of his power? Has he been able to 1162 00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:02,400 do this for some amount of time? Is he Is 1163 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,519 it because of myth thrill or a ring or something 1164 00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:05,599 like that he's able to do this? 1165 00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:05,880 Speaker 1: What? 1166 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 5: What? 1167 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:06,840 Speaker 3: Uh? 1168 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,280 Speaker 4: I don't know what. What is the context of him 1169 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,280 able to do this power? 1170 00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 2: But if I had to, you know, defend defend it 1171 00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,920 and try and give it an explanation, I would just 1172 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,119 say that he hasn't really used like like power like 1173 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:23,639 this really since he's resurrected. So maybe he's just been like, 1174 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,360 you know, building up the power level and then now 1175 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,400 he just really like exerted himself to do this, because 1176 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,679 it did seem like he he had to really concentrate 1177 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,599 on it more so than he's had to for other things, 1178 00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:35,920 maybe turning in anatar maybe that took you know, maybe 1179 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,719 doing like the Light Show when he does the Jesus 1180 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,679 walk down from the clouds, maybe that took some effort. 1181 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,760 But I feel like this is a lot of power, 1182 00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:46,920 and I think it's totally within his power to be 1183 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,320 able to do something like this, So I I I 1184 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,840 I really liked it, especially that it's not like overused. 1185 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,639 It's not like he's doing this to everyone, like he 1186 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,360 really had to concentrate to feel because what a fucking assument. 1187 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's probably an angle of it as well, 1188 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,119 where it's probably a lot easier to perform on calibrinboor 1189 00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:10,039 specifically because his mind is already fucked. Like I don't 1190 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:13,440 think thinking about how he like going up to King 1191 00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,519 Durant and like, let's say his goal was, I just 1192 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:17,960 actually want the myth throll and I don't have an 1193 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,360 ulterior motive, even though he always does. I feel like 1194 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,239 he could have done some mind trigger thing like this. 1195 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,719 But even though I don't know, maybe the King maybe 1196 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,800 he's not a great example because his mind's being affected 1197 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,440 by the ring. But that's kind of different than I 1198 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,760 think what's going on with calibrinbore. But I feel like 1199 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,760 maybe maybe that was part of it too, where you know, 1200 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,199 an already feeble mind, maybe he was able to mess 1201 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,280 with it even more because of that, because he's in 1202 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,000 like that heightened sense of believability or something like that. 1203 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's like he's had his mind on the ropes, 1204 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,320 you know, for the last few few episodes for the 1205 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,480 kill now. Yeah, Like, I think it'd be a lot 1206 00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:53,480 harder for him to do a play like that on 1207 00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:56,039 someone like Galadriel, you know, or like l Ron for 1208 00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:57,599 like like someone that's. 1209 00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:00,400 Speaker 4: Maybe season one Gladriel, but season two easy. 1210 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,079 Speaker 3: You can't pull that on add or I know your tricks, 1211 00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:05,480 you know. Yeah, No, I think like you guys point 1212 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:08,159 out weak mind. I think also just that maybe he 1213 00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:10,719 doesn't always want to bust up this big magic because 1214 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,039 if something goes wrong, it pulls up, you know, like 1215 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:15,800 the jigs up. So I just feel like it's kind 1216 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,079 of he couldn't. He tried to talk to him to 1217 00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:20,599 just sit down and saying, oh, I gotta cover I'll 1218 00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:22,239 take care of it, and he was leaving, so it's 1219 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,559 kind of like his last resort because yeah, it would 1220 00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:26,679 be odd for just to go in there and like 1221 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,039 want a vision like ensnare this whole city, because like 1222 00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:31,719 eventually people would catch on, right, So I feel it 1223 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,800 could be yes, because his week's his mind's week, but 1224 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,039 just because it was a last resort of Okay, I 1225 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,079 mean I have to do this because he's not listening, 1226 00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:39,599 and like I said, on think you do to everybody 1227 00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:42,400 because maybe they would put two and two together. So yeah, 1228 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,079 and I'm fine with the with the power per se, 1229 00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,320 so m yeah. 1230 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,199 Speaker 1: I think it was really neat to see this kind 1231 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,679 of presentation of his powers and just this whole on illusion. 1232 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,480 And I was waiting for the scene too when Kele 1233 00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:57,760 Primberg goes back in his little tower and you just 1234 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,760 get that transition showcasing what's really going on in the 1235 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,079 chaos and everything. It's just such a it's crazy, It's 1236 00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,960 absolutely crazy. Plus he made night turn to daytime, which 1237 00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:14,639 was that takes a lot of time energy, I imagine 1238 00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,679 to just change the time of day like that. But 1239 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,719 I like that he was playing off of kelib Brinboor's 1240 00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,320 weakness and just creating like a peaceful zen kind of 1241 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,599 area where elves are painting children, elves are flying kites 1242 00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:27,840 and all that kind of stuff. But Keli Brinbore is 1243 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,639 just he's a big dufist. At this point, He's being 1244 00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:34,880 played so hard and I feel like they're gonna. 1245 00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:36,840 Speaker 3: Under cell No. 1246 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,880 Speaker 1: The way that they're going to present his death is 1247 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,960 I feel like he's just going to the veil is 1248 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,599 gonna fall, and he's gonna hear the siege drums again, 1249 00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:47,880 and he's just gonna like he'll walk out on the 1250 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,159 balcony of his tower, or he'll walk out down below 1251 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,800 after the rings are done, and it's just an orc 1252 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,400 arrow is just gonna like fucking dome him in the chest. 1253 00:56:56,639 --> 00:57:00,039 I think it's gonna be a very underwhelming death. I 1254 00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:01,199 don't think it's gonna be anything. 1255 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 4: I think he's gonna die from a stray arrow. 1256 00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:03,639 Speaker 3: No, I don't. 1257 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,880 Speaker 6: I feel like I think if he dies sas killing them. 1258 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,760 Speaker 1: Not too. I think it also could. 1259 00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 3: Be Taylor's want. It's either the very underwelling death or 1260 00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:15,639 killed by the biggest villain of the series. It's one 1261 00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:21,639 or the other. Yeah, oh my god, did we didn't 1262 00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:23,440 say anything. We don't have anything to talk about with 1263 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,480 the the Harfoots. That one is kissing the other one, 1264 00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:28,400 and I guess they're in love. Is she's just gonna 1265 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,760 stay there now? I don't know. 1266 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,760 Speaker 5: I don't care, I don't think. 1267 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,519 Speaker 3: I just want to mention that. 1268 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,400 Speaker 5: In this episode. 1269 00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:42,480 Speaker 4: What one thing from the Dwarves that I was like 1270 00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:48,039 a little silly is that Diesel wants to stop them from, 1271 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,280 you know, digging too deep into the mountains. But like 1272 00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,320 her plan is to stand in a corner that they're 1273 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,920 gonna go mine and then summon bats to scare them off. 1274 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,960 But it's like, are they not mining in multi locations 1275 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,800 at the same time, but they literally only mining in 1276 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,559 like one linear line. And if so, it's like, Okay, 1277 00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:08,280 the bats have come through scared them off. If they 1278 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,519 come back like four minutes later, like aren't the bats 1279 00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:15,280 gone at that point? Like can she just summon more bats? 1280 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,719 It just felt like it's cute scene, I guess, but 1281 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,480 like I don't really believe that that would work at all. Uh, 1282 00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:25,039 maybe it's just delaying them a little bit, but it 1283 00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:27,480 seemed a little little cheesy for my liking. 1284 00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:29,639 Speaker 5: I completely agree. 1285 00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:33,159 Speaker 2: I was really waiting for like a nice eloquent explanation 1286 00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:35,280 of what their plan was, and then it's just like. 1287 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 5: More I gonna come back and we'll be ready. It's like, 1288 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,679 what the fuck does that mean? And they just kind of. 1289 00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 4: Like maybe they have a stone singer at every cave, just. 1290 00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 2: With an army of bats behind them. 1291 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,239 Speaker 4: But maybe I don't know. 1292 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna be like, Okay, now that 1293 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,800 they're gone, let's storm the fucking throne room and like 1294 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,400 dethroned dor Like I thought that's what was happening here. 1295 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,519 Speaker 5: I thought this was like a total takeover because it 1296 00:58:57,559 --> 00:58:58,400 seemed like, oh. 1297 00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:59,679 Speaker 4: They're gonna work for an afternoon. 1298 00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:02,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, like in order to stop it, like they have 1299 00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:05,519 to fucking take trnout now. Otherwise, Yeah, they're just gonna 1300 00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:09,159 be overrun by a lot of doors. So I'm curious 1301 00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:11,920 as to what's gonna happen next week, you know, as 1302 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,639 the great Marboso would say. But yeah, well we'll see 1303 00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:15,199 what happens. 1304 00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:18,079 Speaker 1: I mean, how many times can you sing like you're 1305 00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:20,559 gonna wake up the bower on you faster? Like I 1306 00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:22,639 wouldn't be singing down there if you're heard in the rumbles. 1307 00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,119 Speaker 3: But I shouldn't know what those rumbles are though, right. 1308 00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:26,519 Speaker 1: She doesn't know, that's true. 1309 00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:27,039 Speaker 3: Uh. 1310 00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,280 Speaker 1: I just wanted to circle back to the harfoots one 1311 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,760 quick second. Now there the name drop. Uh Mary Mack 1312 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,639 was in this episode, and it made me think of 1313 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:42,440 uh Mary a doc, right, so I just wonder it 1314 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,280 can And even then when you have Poppy and you 1315 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,199 got Pippin, what Pippen is that like a family name 1316 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,280 or is pip In the first name because I guess Mary. 1317 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,760 Speaker 5: Took so Took is his last name? 1318 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:53,159 Speaker 4: Took? 1319 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,559 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just thinking Mary Mack and and uh Mary 1320 00:59:58,559 --> 00:59:59,639 a doc. Maybe it's like. 1321 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:03,599 Speaker 5: A Mary Dodge something. Brandy Brandy foot. I think that's 1322 01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:08,239 his random book brand Brandon. What is it Brandy foot? 1323 01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:10,239 My gosh, Brandy. 1324 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,800 Speaker 6: Right, it's one of those my gosh, bilbol says and 1325 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,440 brand feet. 1326 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,159 Speaker 3: And then I remember that shot. His foot's on the thing. 1327 01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:23,280 Where is it the other way around? Now? Now I can't. 1328 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 2: I think he's a Brandy buck though. Yeah, there you go, 1329 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,360 blind fool in the in the chat. 1330 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,519 Speaker 3: Thank you the fica again. 1331 01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:33,800 Speaker 5: Then that's just more hot. They're all there, right, they're 1332 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:40,800 all there for They're all just fucking getting hype. 1333 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,239 Speaker 3: I'm going now. 1334 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,119 Speaker 4: And I shall not come back. Hey, I guess newman 1335 01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:49,599 Or is what we're left with here? 1336 01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:52,960 Speaker 3: Is going on with this town? So they have a 1337 01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:57,039 queen the ouster for this magic okay whatever. A big 1338 01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:59,559 eagle comes down and cause and they go, this means 1339 01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:02,199 this guy was the king. So then I'm two weeks later, 1340 01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:04,880 this lady goes back in the water, she gets chucked 1341 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,920 up by a sea urchin. They go, well, she must 1342 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:12,639 be the queen. Not she gets chucked out and they're 1343 01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:14,840 just like, well, she must be the queen after all. 1344 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,039 I'm done here, I'm done. I like, what's happening. 1345 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,440 Speaker 4: It wasn't that she was queen again? Right or did 1346 01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:22,840 I miss it? But then they just say she's We're 1347 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,480 just not killing her now, diseas. 1348 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,320 Speaker 3: That's what he Yeah, he announced her as right, and 1349 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,639 everyone's like so it's just like again no, but it's 1350 01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:34,599 just like that's the way it's going because like she's 1351 01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:37,960 been ordained in my opinion of like, she's not guilty, 1352 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,599 and just like the crowdsery chain from her. I I 1353 01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:43,119 do like what's going on with the seal door's dad 1354 01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:46,199 and his daughter and him being prideful, very ned stark. 1355 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,079 I like that, So, I like, I've always liked that character. 1356 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,719 The rest of the stuff I don't need. I'm not 1357 01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:54,320 liking any of this. I think it's cheesy. I don't 1358 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,639 think it's well written. I think a lot of the 1359 01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,760 other than him, I think a lot of the poor 1360 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,639 at is in that section, Like the guy that's playing 1361 01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:05,880 the new King is not not doing it for me. 1362 01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:09,519 So the everything there is just and even then just 1363 01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:13,599 this whole the try like I guess, I I guess, 1364 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,679 like trial by this sea creature like all right, Like 1365 01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:19,719 I don't know, just I guess it just doesn't feel 1366 01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:21,559 too Lord of the Ringsey to me for that one. 1367 01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:23,880 That's maybe that's something that's happened the books that feels 1368 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,000 more like a parts Caribbean thing. I just didn't that's 1369 01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:29,320 not anything we've seen in like the movies. Nothing I 1370 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,440 crawl in the book and the hobble like okay, well, 1371 01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:33,239 and even Game of Thrones they do that, right while 1372 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,440 trial by combat or trial all this it's just like, okay, well, 1373 01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:38,920 we're gonna throw you in the water and if you're 1374 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,480 not guilty, this thing will. 1375 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,320 Speaker 6: Spit you back out and if you are, it'll swall. 1376 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,440 Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I'm just just none of this 1377 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,599 stuff is working for me on kind of all levels unfortunately. 1378 01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:49,679 So yeah, I don't know how much more. 1379 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:53,880 Speaker 4: Ad Yeah, it's uh, it's not great. I also I 1380 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:59,000 feel like we're getting like a lot of little micro 1381 01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:02,639 spats between these characters, but like an overarching sense like 1382 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,920 since our far are far Zon, that name is really 1383 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,320 difficult for me. Has become the new leader? Like has 1384 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,440 he done anything? Like is there a reason that we 1385 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,639 as a viewership believe that he's a bad leader? Other 1386 01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:19,320 than then he's like acts really sus and like is 1387 01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:21,559 hanging out with the pellanteer. But like in terms of 1388 01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:24,280 his choices killing. 1389 01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:26,679 Speaker 3: People, right, the people that used to be loyal to 1390 01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:27,199 the old. 1391 01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:31,199 Speaker 5: Churt, they're like shutting down the religion of the city, right. 1392 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,440 Speaker 4: Okay, but the religion of the city. 1393 01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:37,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just like the following of the valor like 1394 01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:41,159 like that that was like the whole thing with like 1395 01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:43,320 they thought they were going to be clever by you know, 1396 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:43,880 if they want to. 1397 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 5: Follow the their beliefs, because. 1398 01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:48,760 Speaker 2: They're just so anti whatever their religion their belief is, 1399 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,840 we'll just toss her in the sea and they'll childers 1400 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:51,880 drown and that'll be that we. 1401 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:52,719 Speaker 5: Don't have to worry about. 1402 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,079 Speaker 2: Well, I guess they're talking about a lendial at this point, 1403 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,840 like like we don't have to worry about him because 1404 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,360 this is going to be the result. And then when 1405 01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,960 you know, Muriel gets shot out of the water, they're 1406 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,000 like genuinely like shocked that it happened. And I do 1407 01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:07,519 like that now like they have a grip on this, 1408 01:04:07,719 --> 01:04:09,880 Like sorry, they had a grip on the city by 1409 01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:15,559 just pointing out how basically false the the following of 1410 01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:19,400 like just murials people have of like the valor and 1411 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,519 just how that goes. Now there's starting to be some 1412 01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:24,960 cracks there, so I feel like they're already just regretting 1413 01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:28,320 like allowing that to happen. I thought that they're actually 1414 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,320 gonna like mess with that so that like I thought 1415 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,119 they were trying to bait them into being like, Okay, 1416 01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:35,679 we'll do the trial, and then when she jumps in 1417 01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:38,880 the water, someone just fucking slices her throat or something like, like 1418 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,599 I thought it was gonna go that and then it's like, oh, 1419 01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:41,559 it's clearly not working. 1420 01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:44,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, Like like I thought it was actually gonna go 1421 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,519 that way. They weren't. 1422 01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:50,719 Speaker 2: They weren't making that complicated or difficult. But yeah, I 1423 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,760 I do agree with you, though, Dylan. I think they 1424 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,199 could have been doing a lot more of just showing 1425 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,559 like the complete changing of the guard, because it kind 1426 01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:01,079 of just seems like numan Or is being ran like 1427 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,159 the same because we haven't really seen like what's going 1428 01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:06,960 on other parts of the Kingdom. It's more so just 1429 01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,079 like a changing of the people that are running it, 1430 01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,159 but like we don't really know how it's affecting anyone 1431 01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:16,199 else other than just that sequence when a Seal Door's 1432 01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:19,599 buddy got shanked by our Farzonce shitty Sun. 1433 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,400 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I think I think that's maybe one 1434 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,400 of the issues of why I'm less invested is one 1435 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,719 which I think we talked about last week or probably 1436 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,920 even multiple times this season, is that none of the 1437 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:32,000 key power players that we are invested in, our care 1438 01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:35,159 about in this show are there right now. So it's 1439 01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:37,000 just like a bunch of people that I'm like, oh, okay, 1440 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,159 here we go. Let's spend five minutes with Aarien and 1441 01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:42,880 she's I don't even know what her motives are and 1442 01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:45,119 I don't really care. But then the other thing is like, 1443 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,519 since it's on its island in the middle of nowhere, 1444 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,199 and we talked about this last week, like Newmanor is 1445 01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:52,679 like this place but there's other cities like on this island, 1446 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,239 but there's no interaction between any of those cities, and 1447 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,480 there's no relation between what's going on here and the 1448 01:05:57,519 --> 01:05:59,400 rest of goings on in Middle Earth. So it just 1449 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,360 feels like a separate thing. And so I guess I 1450 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,639 just feel like the stakes of it don't really get 1451 01:06:03,719 --> 01:06:05,400 matters as much when where we can have an episode 1452 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,360 where we're fo like the Dwarves are in cause of 1453 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,400 Doom and they're doing their own thing. But then you'll 1454 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,519 have an episode like this where there's okay, interactions with 1455 01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:13,800 the Ragon and these other characters. You can kind of 1456 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,559 draft with a big web of how all these characters and 1457 01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:19,239 places are interacting. But I feel like Nu Minor, even 1458 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,480 last season it did have more of those connections with 1459 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,960 other characters coming and going, but this season it's really 1460 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,679 just been the people that are here. They're here, and 1461 01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:29,119 that's kind of it. And that's where I just feel 1462 01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,920 like I don't really care at all. So I don't know, 1463 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:33,519 We'll see what happens in the future there, but I 1464 01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:35,159 think that is just maybe an issue with it, is 1465 01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:37,400 like it's not easy to get there. It's harder for 1466 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,960 them to just have a scene where Soren's just in 1467 01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,119 cause of doom and we don't really explain it. It's 1468 01:06:42,119 --> 01:06:42,800 believable enough. 1469 01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,000 Speaker 2: But with numnor Is, since it's such a trek, I 1470 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,679 guess they can't really do that as well. And we 1471 01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:48,719 need some we need some more eagles to just be 1472 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,199 teleportant characters left. 1473 01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:53,440 Speaker 4: And right, so we more interactions, I guess. But yeah, 1474 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,760 it's not working for me so far. 1475 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,280 Speaker 3: Cool anything, Say, you made her the thumbnail, so I 1476 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,679 thought you'd have also say, I. 1477 01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:07,000 Speaker 1: Mean I thought that what was his name, al Alfons, 1478 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:13,280 Big Funds Big. Yeah, he's using the uh, he's using 1479 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,840 the palanteer now, So we officially got to see that 1480 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,119 because we only got teased at it with last week, right, 1481 01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:20,440 I think that's what they were doing. 1482 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,519 Speaker 4: Two episodes ago, I think, But no, it was last week. 1483 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,119 Speaker 3: You guys were talking about it because he was hiding, 1484 01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:30,119 and you guys were theorizing wasn't using it already or not? 1485 01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:33,440 And they confirmed this episode he is, which I wish 1486 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,320 they waited for like a little longer than just one 1487 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,719 week of just like they ousted her for using this 1488 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,480 and then two weeks later, well I'm gonna be using 1489 01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:43,440 like I don't know just but he does have it a. 1490 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,000 Speaker 2: Pie I guess, dude, that secret like that visual though, 1491 01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:47,760 when he when he touches it and then it just 1492 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,880 like cracks and expands. Holy fuck, that's some good editing. 1493 01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,800 That looked so sweet. 1494 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:55,000 Speaker 5: You carry on. 1495 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,519 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry, ah, I was just gonna say I 1496 01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:00,840 love a good sea monster, and this sea monster did 1497 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,719 not disappoint. It was pretty cool to see it. 1498 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,119 Speaker 4: Really, you liked it. 1499 01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:06,639 Speaker 1: I like the sea monster. I was not expecting it 1500 01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:08,480 to have all the like the tentacles and then like 1501 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,519 a rhinoceros horn, So I think visually it looked pretty 1502 01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,960 pretty cool, and I kind of like the concept. 1503 01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:16,319 Speaker 4: Does a horn make sense for a sea creature? 1504 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,000 Speaker 1: Not at all? No, of course, you know there are 1505 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,720 horn whales and swordfish. 1506 01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:24,760 Speaker 3: So okay, wouldn't it be like is it not like 1507 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,079 a defense tactic with. 1508 01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:30,199 Speaker 4: Water and like water resistance, Like could you really get 1509 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,039 a good swing with like a. 1510 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,520 Speaker 5: Use the arms and like pull it on you. 1511 01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:37,560 Speaker 6: You know them when something's charging you see that. 1512 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,199 Speaker 4: I would have liked to see it do something. Maybe 1513 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:41,000 that's why. 1514 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:45,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, episode Silver's Dad, that's I want to take it 1515 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:46,560 in the head and kill it. 1516 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,560 Speaker 3: They pick them up and just like cut him an 1517 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:54,640 half over his horn. Guilty, guilty. 1518 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:59,039 Speaker 1: I think that's got an interesting kind of I guess 1519 01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:01,359 laws what they were called. It just this this belief 1520 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,600 or they spent all morning and blowing their horns calling 1521 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,720 this fucking sea creature to their shores. And then yeah, 1522 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,399 they just put one person in the pool. And as 1523 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,000 you guys already talked about, just if it's if you're innocent, 1524 01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:13,880 it'll pitch you out, and if you're guilty, it's just 1525 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:14,640 gonna kill you. 1526 01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:18,960 Speaker 2: Our farzon didn't even know that either. He didn't actually 1527 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,319 know a. 1528 01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,199 Speaker 1: Few things like oh can she can she contribute herself 1529 01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:24,439 as a tribute here? 1530 01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,000 Speaker 4: Just too? That is that law. 1531 01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:28,039 Speaker 1: And he just has to agree to everything and he's king, 1532 01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:29,079 he's just he's. 1533 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:29,640 Speaker 5: All for it, man. 1534 01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:31,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1535 01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:33,960 Speaker 4: And then like the guy who's like his lawyer, he 1536 01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:36,039 like doesn't want to admit that he knows these rules 1537 01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:38,239 and that like everything is fair game. He just wants 1538 01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:40,920 them to be really suss about it and break the rules. 1539 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,239 Speaker 5: It was his plan. He like brought this up right 1540 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:45,439 to to our fars al. 1541 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,039 Speaker 2: It's like if they want to do it, well, we 1542 01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:49,920 got this rule. It's like, Okay, a little fucking scroll 1543 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,640 with him with all the laws aritten down. 1544 01:09:52,039 --> 01:09:56,159 Speaker 5: So yeah, I think overall the stuff that's going on 1545 01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:56,880 with Numan or. 1546 01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,960 Speaker 2: It, I I definitely agree with the cinema that, like 1547 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,920 every all the movie pieces that are going on so 1548 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,000 far this season in particular, but just for the show overall, 1549 01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:12,199 I feel like we're just spending too many too much 1550 01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:15,079 time and or sorry, we're not spending enough time in 1551 01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:18,880 like one particular area to really explore like two full 1552 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,720 depth of what's going on there. So like when we 1553 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,640 have little glimpses of the hard Foots, the fucking Kas 1554 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:24,359 of Doom stuff. 1555 01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:25,199 Speaker 5: We got Linda, we. 1556 01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:27,159 Speaker 2: Got Gilgallad over there, we got a rag Yon, we 1557 01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:30,039 got New Minor, it's just spreads so thin, like too 1558 01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:34,399 much butter like our our great backgrounds, not not enough 1559 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:35,319 butter over too much. 1560 01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Friend. 1561 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,920 Speaker 2: I think Newmanor because of just how expand like you 1562 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,319 could have a whole show, not even just a season, 1563 01:10:43,359 --> 01:10:46,279 like a whole show on the actual like Downfall of 1564 01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:48,039 New Minor, Like I like it could be like a 1565 01:10:48,079 --> 01:10:49,479 Game of Thrones level of. 1566 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,560 Speaker 3: Sure sell me on that series if they announced that. 1567 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,520 Speaker 2: Definitely not because we we spend because we're spending time 1568 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,600 in so many different areas, like we don't have we 1569 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,000 don't have time to feel the effects of our fars 1570 01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:04,199 on taking over Numanor and like just just the shutting 1571 01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:08,439 down of like not just like the diminishing of the 1572 01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,520 belief in the valor, but like actually making it outlawed 1573 01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,800 that like you cannot do like like that's juice there, 1574 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,199 Like that's like total takeover of people's beliefs in the 1575 01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:21,039 Kingdom and just how they actually live their lives and 1576 01:11:21,039 --> 01:11:23,960 like the foundation of Numanor, like like there's so much 1577 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,880 juice that we're just not able to access because we 1578 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,239 are just trying to be a jack of all trades 1579 01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:32,640 as opposed to really focusing on telling like these really 1580 01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:36,039 interesting tales of a place like Numenor of just it's 1581 01:11:36,039 --> 01:11:40,119 like an Atlantis type place, like especially when just like 1582 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,439 what happens to it, like like like it's a very 1583 01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:47,239 similar sort of idea there. So I think even after 1584 01:11:47,279 --> 01:11:49,439 five seasons, like looking back on it, I definitely am 1585 01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,279 going to be thinking that it was lost potential on. 1586 01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:55,560 Speaker 5: Other aspects of the show for sure, but specifically. 1587 01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:58,319 Speaker 2: New Minor because it's just we just don't have enough time, Like, like, 1588 01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:01,960 how much screen time overall have we been in Numanor 1589 01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:05,439 in this season. I am kind of curious about that overall, 1590 01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:09,439 because at the start of the season it was muriels 1591 01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,640 Numanor and now it's someone like it's just you know, 1592 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,039 it's our fars on, So I don't know. I just 1593 01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:17,600 feel like it's we don't have enough time with it. 1594 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,600 But that's my overall thought on it. I am liking 1595 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,720 some of the stuff that is going on there. I 1596 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,680 think I was a lot more positive on this week's episode, 1597 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,760 in particular, because it was just more of the actual 1598 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,760 tackling the beliefs system of it, and like just the 1599 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,079 importance of the valor and the judge. Like I do all, 1600 01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:37,920 I like all of the tradition that's going into it 1601 01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:40,199 in that regard. I like seeing the paleteer again, So 1602 01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:42,920 I do like that stuff. But it's still like it 1603 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,119 I'm here thinking that we could have had this done 1604 01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:48,319 so much better and had these moments just feel so 1605 01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:52,399 much more meaningful and like have stakes to it, but 1606 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,159 unfortunately it's not quite the case. 1607 01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:57,439 Speaker 3: Love I agree. 1608 01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:00,600 Speaker 4: I love a good Kirkland deep dive in the Lord 1609 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:01,159 stud Thank you. 1610 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it, yes, nowhere. 1611 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:15,039 Speaker 3: Nothing here again of yeah, oh well that's uh, that's it, 1612 01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:17,199 that's uh yeah. 1613 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,439 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week, as Travis would say, the 1614 01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,399 penultimate episode of Rings of Power season two, so be 1615 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,439 sure to check it out. It's gonna be a good 1616 01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,920 time and yeah, we'll see you in the search bar. 1617 01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,039 Speaker 4: Have a good one, ye,