Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of
the geek Verse podcast. I am one of your hosts,
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Speaker 3: The clown Prince of Hallucinations tres Now.
Speaker 4: Yes, was that a Travis impression?
Speaker 1: That was no?
Speaker 3: Definitely gentlemen. Yeah, apparently I sound like the ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Uh No.
Speaker 1: If I was doing like the Travis, I'd be.
Speaker 5: Like the Hello.
Speaker 1: I like, you know, lots of o's, lots of o's,
but you know what has one oh rings of power?
Which is what we're gonna be. It's two o's ring.
We're gonna be talking about it episode six tonight, my friends.
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Speaker 3: Well and one thing to say, there were a couple
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just just to claim, okay, I didn't know that change.
I was gone for one week and everything is just
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, multiple tiers, lots of different stuff, so definitely
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many different chats Travis, we're gonna talking about it later tonight.
But you create a Batman or Penguin chat.
Speaker 6: Too, revived the Batman chatrived the penguin we got dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got all shows, the fl chat, we got
the Rings of Power, we got that got football, Marvel
Snap Pokemon? Is Pokemon even alive?
Speaker 4: Still in the discord, I might have moved into the
archived section of the if I if no one said
anything in six months, it's out of there. It still exists,
but you just have to click down below.
Speaker 3: That's good policy.
Speaker 4: It's down in the shadow realm.
Speaker 1: So yeah, as I said earlier, Rings of Power episode six,
who wants to steer us into the non spoilers to
start the first impressions?
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like Travis was gone last week, so
we got to hear his thoughts on last week's episode
as well.
Speaker 3: So I sat in the room and just listen that
wasn't gone. But uh no, so I watched them both today.
So I might be like a little fuzzy to be like, okay,
if there's some mixture, but I think I got a
clear point of majority stuff that happened last week. So luckily,
I think and I can say even with this episode,
I feel like with each episode, I am liking it
more and more. I don't think I was in Taylor
and Dyllon's camp where you guys absolutely loved it. I
was surprised because Taylor kind of made it sound like sarcastically,
you guys loved it, So I didn't know what I
thought going into the review. Yeah, I don't know, that's
a whole that's another neat newscash, just the way you
put it.
Speaker 4: He doesn't get it again.
Speaker 3: He said something like, oh, yeah, we loved it lol,
And I was like, well, who says.
Speaker 1: I'm being honest?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but why would you say I'll find it in
another time? I'll find it later on. But anyway, so I.
Speaker 4: Enjoyed was saying we loved it lol.
Speaker 3: I'd I'll find it. So I had some issues. I
still in both stuff, and I hate that Taylor made
the thumbnail. I'm still don't really care about anything happened
in numanor I just like, especially in this episode, I
just feel like, what are we really even doing with
I hate some of the mythological things that are happening
with Eagles or CBS, like just stuff where it's like Okay,
what like sometimes again, do these people have any urgency?
So that's something the drawer of stuff you guys talked about. Yeah,
I agree, that's all great. I love I think we've
always enjoyed like the Prince Duran and King Duran. But
it's getting really good and this week like nice little
turn between something. I thought the King was gonna do
it and it didn't happen, and we're getting some good
illusions there Saarron and Calbrinborne. It's still like a sixty
forty for me for enjoying it, because I felt it
was a wee. I needed more explanation of these rings
are really bad or we made some errors. They could
be really bad. How do we fix it? Let's make
more rings. It's just kind of like if you were
to have a gambling debt and like, man, we've lost everything.
What should we do now, Well, let's use our savings
and gambled that I didn't under I don't think they
made it clear enough. I do agree with because I
just listened to their review a couple of hours ago,
But Dylan would I agree with that the sorrow and stuff.
I like that they're making it more avert that he
is using illusions, hallucinations or tricks where the first few episodes,
I think they were trying to go for that, like,
oh is he a smooth talk or is he using magic?
But I don't think they executed it well at all,
So I thought, just do the whole like clearly they're
doing now we'll talk about it in the or in
the spoilers. Some character completely gets mind aft and thinks
a whole one thing and like the reality is completely different.
So I love that se Yeah, I kill Brimbor me
still like, I don't know, I wish that character had
a lot better writing around him. I still think he
kind of feels goofy. I think they added some shades
to him last week, which I like, but it's still
some stuff doesn't make sense. I like the guy doing sorrow.
And then my last note for both these episodes, because
this episode, I don't know if i'd say it's the
best one. I feel like four or five and six
they're all kind of similar range for me, but I'm
still enjoying it. I'm enjoying it the first three more.
I like, we'll tell abo tom My biggest complaint though,
still is almost like with House of Dragon. I got
Barre near the end, but we only have two episodes left.
I feel Collateral's barely been in this thing for someone
that was the main character of the first season to
like this episode, she had a few scenes where she
was tied to a chair, like not a big spoiler,
like whatever, but that's all she does. Has a few conversations.
Last week, she was in a scene. The week before,
she had a cool fight scene, but that was about it.
It was just her and Elron looking me and at
each other. It just feels like she was busy filming
a movie or something and they couldn't have her. If
that's the case, then I get it. And luckily they
have said we're doing the five seasons, so I hope
in the fall season she'll take the urgency again. But
every week I just feel kind of disappointed that glad
Reles just just kind of there, you know, she just
just feels like she's making moves. But I just feel like,
as the person that got us into this world for
this Rings of Power, lit'll disappoint there. So still liking it,
but I'm not like in love with it like I
was last year. But I'm like fingers crossed at seven
and eight are gonna be really good. I think next
week we're getting a big episode which we'll talk about,
and then with eight, I hope they just stick to
landing and make me really excited for season three because
they did that last two years ago. Whatever. So that's
where I'm on episode five and six.
Speaker 2: Nice anyone, it's a dare you can just trying to talk.
I forgot how to speak for a second there. I
was just like, for all my muscles, I couldn't do it.
Oh yeah, I feel like for myself, I was actually
quite positive on this episode there. I don't know when
we get into certain plots, I just really don't care
about the hard foots or the stoolers honestly, even like
the Gandalf stuff, Like I it's I guess we're calling
them the stranger right now, but for Gandalf stuff, even that,
I feel like I'm more warm on this week in
comparison to where I was in the past, And I
mean that in a positive way to maybe maybe I'm
warming up a little bit more to Tom, but my
interest is definitely more around kind of what's going on
with the dwarves and orageon. And I see where you're
coming from Travis with the Numanor stuff. I think I
actually quite liked what was going on in this week's episode,
but for the most part, I don't think it's been
as peak as it could have been, like just throughout
the whole season, because yeah, with with two episodes left out,
I think I'm gonna be looking back on it and
just not really uh maybe feeling underwhelmed on the New
Minor of this season compared to like last season, because
it was just so new and shiny and I'd never
seen before. I was just like totally eating it up
and it was just like totally that just like the
Novelty was just like, oh my god, this is so
crazy how nice New Minor looks. And now that we're
spending more time on it, I just I don't know,
I think it could have been handled a lot better.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Movies allude to the books talk about a lot, so
you build this image of your head and then when
we get some of those towns people, in my opinion,
brings it down. It's like all right, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I think it could just be feeling a
lot more like Game of Thrones Z, because that like
that's kind of what is going on, like it is
like a war for the throne right now in newman Or,
and you know, like some of those peak Game of
Throne seasons is around that type of drama, and I
definitely think they have the material to get there, but
obviously just I don't know what the rating hasn't quite
gone that route. But yeah, for the most part, like
sourn and stuff too, Like, I'm definitely really enjoying all
that stuff that was shown, visuals remain to just be
so stellar in the show. Holy fuck, there's one sequence
when yeah, like mind trippy moments going on.
Speaker 5: It just it looks so good. I love the look
at this show. So yeah, overall, I'm definitely more positive
on it.
Speaker 2: But I am curious how we're gonna be wrapping up
just the season overall, and yeah, I don't know, we'll
see what happens.
Speaker 4: I'll jump in here. This this episode was definitely a
big pivot from the last two in particular, where these
last two episodes we really were spending a lot of
focused time with like three groups per episode, and they
were different groups. And that's why I wasn't as much
a fan of episode four is because the groups that
we were with was like not into it at all,
and then episode five it was a group so I
was interested in and then the content was pretty good
as well. This one was a way more of a scattershot.
It felt like kind of maybe some of the earlier
episodes in the season where I think we had like
we saw scenes from like seven different characters storylines in
this and so because of that, pretty much all of
those you're spending like pretty much two scenes with them,
and then the stuff in Aregion we're spending a lot
more time with. And it just didn't really work for me,
Like I feel like we made so little progress with
all of these different camps and then the Aregion stuff.
It's too bad because I loved it last episode and
then this episode it just it turned again for me
where I don't know if it's a writing thing like
you mentioned, Travis, or honestly for me, it's like maybe
acting a little bit, like I just calib Brimbore here.
I was a fan and some of the reactions and
phases he was making, you know, part of that is
going to be coming down to the writing. And I
was just looking on Wikipedia like the right, like every
episode has a new writer and then the last two
have like the same writer plus someone from a previous episode,
so that's a little more cohesive. But yeah, like every episode,
it's some like a different flavor, I guess, and this
this episode was not particularly my flavor. So there was
not really much that I enjoyed about this episode. I
don't think anything is particularly awful, but I think just
what I said earlier of so little progress felt like
it was made here that I think I was getting
used to, like, Okay, we're spending a lot of time
in these last two episodes, like on certain storylines and
making a lot of progress there, and so there's a
lot more to break down where I don't know for
some of these storylines, like I don't even know how
to have to say about the Hartfoots, Like I feel
like I have nothing to add here because there was
really much to break down or have an opinion on
there are I definitely have some questions here with sore
On in particular, so well, I'm excited to talk to
you guys about that do some theory crafting there. But
that was maybe the only kind of intrigue of the
episode for me, and even that stuff was was middling, perhaps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this episode, following last week's is a little bit
simmered for me. Last week is definitely really really hype,
but getting into this one, there's some stories that I
really really do love and I'm really really engaged with,
but then you have, yeah, the Harfoots and the stores
that I'm just not engaged with at all. There's certain
dynamics between characters that are unfolding with them, and it's like,
I don't care about this that much. I'm sure someone does.
I'm sure someone is like, yeah, this is fucking great,
but you know, it's not for me. It's not my
kind of my kind of Middle Earth that I want
to be watching. So there's that. But at the end
of the day, I think, I think that we're still
We're still in this, and I'm still enjoying what we've
got so far in this. In this the the Calibrinbore stuff,
I am actually really really liking it, and it's quite
quite satisfying actually, with how they tackled some things in
this episode. For me, everything that is during related is
just top tier. That's the bees freaking knees. I'm all
about that right now. So that was that was a
good arc and Yeah, they just they touched upon a
few little things here, and you can tell that we're
kind of getting to the near the end of this
season already. At this point we got like two more episodes. Yeah,
and so already we're getting into some climactic things here,
and I feel like next week is going to be
a pretty hefty one. But I feel like next week
they're going to probably focus on a lot of what
the setup was from this episode, and then the finale
is probably going to just maybe cap it off or
tie it all together like all the other loose ends,
the other loose ends, all the other stories that they
were doing in this episode, because you said, don't there's
a lot of different They touched upon everything in this
episode really with everyone's different arc so it's.
Speaker 5: A lot of ground.
Speaker 4: I feel like a seal door and I guess el
Ron doesn't make an appearance.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that one too.
Speaker 3: Is adopted boy.
Speaker 1: The boy wasn't in here, but RONDI was in here
for he was He just killed.
Speaker 3: Some he was like anything substantial, like we learned nothing,
Like it's just like he ran through the woods and
like who cares what spoilers run the woods, killing orcs
it's like, all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a spoiler. The Orcs, You're like, I'm
not gonna fight. You know, we got pacifist orcs.
Speaker 2: Now, don't a sentence and then they attacked.
Speaker 4: They saw yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, anything else you guys have for non spoilers, No,
I just.
Speaker 3: Think that like the Kid, we talked about some spoils,
but then overall, I just hope for next season, either
they condensed some of these storylines together, like we talked
about Ronde, like get in with We've told this before,
other characters that are in the show, so that you
just do it all together, or start killing some people off,
because we don't. We have too many people that.
Speaker 1: I just I think they're stranger.
Speaker 3: Ronda and the adopted Boy for sure, like they can
go they die in a great battle, you know they Yeah,
they get to meet their mom and like semi girlfriend
in the afterlife. Great do that.
Speaker 4: A lot more of these storylines were It's almost like
following The Lord of the Rings a little bit, where
like the first movie, we have the Fellowship, everyone's together,
and then in Two Towers everyone splits off and so
we're spending time elsewhere. But even Two Towers has you know,
way less storylines than this show does.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's three groups, right, It's like Aragon Boys,
you know, Mary, Pip and the Ants and then Frodo
and Samon Gollum. It's three succinct stories going on. This
is like so many mini stories. I'd probably get rid
of the hard Foot, the Hobbits, the Halflings too. I'm
hoping that's happening based when we get the Spoils, like
a line dropped by Tom, I'm like, Okay, this should
be the way, but I just worry. They're like, well,
it's the Lord of the Rings shown, we need to
have halflings in there. It's like, no, you don't like
that was good to have them in their first season.
They hopefully they got Gandalf to where he needs to
go and say goodbye and bring him back in like
season four or five, and it's like, oh, it means something,
and I don't know. So I would start with, yeah,
Ronde the adopted boy, even a still door, but they're
not gonna get rid of him because he's like Memba
Barry's stuff, and then get rid of the halflings that those.
Speaker 2: Are going to learn how the Harfoots just get fucking extinct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just gonna kill off all those characters.
Speaker 3: And and I've said this from the beginning to get
rid of eight ad Our out of there as well too.
Speaker 5: I don't need him a yeah, he's going, he's gonna.
Speaker 3: I think he's going. I think if he's not dead
at the end of the season fails. Yeah, he sounded
like he was like, who's that alien Taylor? In the
second I'll wait till we get the spoilers. Never mind,
I want to.
Speaker 5: Saying I'll get the fucking cliff right there.
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right back and we're back, So tell me about this
alien Travis.
Speaker 3: So at one point when which I don't mind, the
scene at our and Glad girl, they're talking right, and uh,
she's like, well we should yeah, no, thank god, No,
We're like.
Speaker 4: He does touch her wrist, she does similar.
Speaker 3: They're talking about you know, the enemy of my enemy
as a friend, right and everything, and they're like, well,
I could go back and tell them that you want
to help and we can defeat sarn together. And when
he goes, but what about do you Rock. He sounded like,
Oh it was fucking god, who is her boy from
Acolyte that they did all that stuff with this year,
the no the squid heead penis head guy playing Caddy
Mundy and tech colons or what Anybody's like, well, what
about the tackle on the Wookies or whatever? He says,
what's that line without the Wookies tailor? Okay, that's what
ad Our sounded like when he's like, but what about
the rock? Like, well, I don't know, man, who fucking
I know you care? Again? I just wish I mean, like,
as the viewers, I think it's the it's back to
the like, it's the humanize them. I just wish this
conversation wasn't going on, and I wish this wasn't a thing.
I don't mind as far as it makes sense that
they should work together, but I just wish he wasn't
so like kind of bitchy about it, kind of like, yeah,
work together and then you guys are next, like what's
gonna happen to us? Like I don't need that from
the the villa like of partial villain going on. So
I don't know again, I'm I'm just overall super disappointed
with the Gladual stuff. I feel like she's taking a
massive backseat. And you know, great that Sarren Soil has
a heart on for and he's like he look like
Lady Gladual last week. That was quite a little moment there.
But yeah, so at our hopefully he's going next week.
I'm hoping that's the end of him.
Speaker 1: Two things on that, I think it's it's interesting the
idea of like what happens if the alf Army wore
to show up. We know they're not, but they strolled
up and Glader was like, I got my own army
of Yorks. We're gonna team up. I think the l's
will be like, this is fucking weird for you to do.
Gladriel just peculiar. But on the side, note Jarvis, I
wanted to know, how do you feel about just this
this she elf that has kind of not really much
self esteem like you used to say, she looks like
Gladriel and she's just like ripping and like ripping her
clothes off.
Speaker 3: At this point, well she's not ripped her clothes off,
so I'm not gonna go that far. I'm I'm fifty
to fifty on her. I like saar On being mischievous
and sneaky, but at the same time, it just feels
so like high school drum like I look like the
beautiful Elf. Like it's like, I think I need more
backstory on this side l for me to really believe
what's going on here. But again, I think they allude
to him more just using his magic. As last week
he like touched her hand and she like had or
maybe that was this week. I can't remember if it
was this week or last week. He touched her arm
and she was saying something in their tumbl Calvimborn and
it looked like she was on a path off to
kind of telling sor On like he's not right. But
then he grabbed her hand and it moved. So that's
why for me, it's like, Okay, I'm fine with it,
just kind of attributing, like him saying Gladeral is almost
like a spell World spell word in a way. So
but yeah, I hope that doesn't go anywhere. I hope
like next season she's not like his Harley Quinn and
she's like, oh, this is my love because I know
they're gonna meet up him in glad real soon and
I don't want to be like, oh, I have this
lady that I don't know. I could be a dangerous road,
but hopefully I imagine she's just gonna die next week
and then it won't matter, you.
Speaker 4: Know, possible. Its taking on some of the ad Our
stuff for a little bit. I mean, yeah, in general,
I feel Gladual is like the biggest drop off from
season one, just in terms of screen time, but also
her presence and just how like cool and interesting and
exciting it was to watch her story. I just feel
like a lot of it is very subdued here. But
also she like she got tricked by Adar, which I
don't think in theory is a bad thing, and like, honestly,
that's the kind of thing I honestly from saur On.
So it's interesting that we're getting at our here like
kind of really just doing a great job of over
time getting this information out of her, confirming that hell
Broun is sore On for his own means, and then
also getting the location of the ring. So that was
that was really good. I liked that part of it.
I think it maybe took a little bit too long
to like get to that point. But it's also at
the expense of Like, Okay, well, I guess Galadriel just
kind of appears like a bit of an idiot now,
so I'm curious how she's gonna maybe redeem herself. Hopefully
she has something nice here at the end of the season.
Maybe she can break out of the confinement here and
then go on like a spree or warn some people.
But I'm it already kind of seems like it's too
late for that, So we'll see see what happens there.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is.
Speaker 2: The wood fire, Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I think that,
like that seemed like really good villain stuff honestly at
our terms of convincing her of that and then just
discarding her when she maybe actually still is good info
and wanted to work with him, but nope, he's a
bad guy.
Speaker 4: He still doesn't trust her and just has his that
he's set on going for. And so I'm I'm curious
to see how this trap element, if glad Yil is
right about that, how like how much of someone really
is him planning that all along, and how he's gonna
like swindle these orcs to work for him and get
rid of ad Ur. I don't know. Once again, he
could do it with a spell perhaps if they're like
if they're weak minded, But as we've seen like these Orcs,
like is it supposed to be kind of like how
Harfoots are like like Hobbits but not quite? Is it
that these Orcs, like over time by like sorrowmon and stuff,
are like evolving them to just be more of just
cannon fodder, essentially taking out morality and these other traits
of them. Is that is that part of it? Or
they're just like this show has more time with them
and wants to flesh them out in this way. I
don't know if I'm.
Speaker 2: Yeah really nice, I'm sure I think it's mostly just
the show trying to flesh them out. But I think
you could still make the argument that because you have
the character of ad Are, that's like they're like uplifting,
you know, like leader. And then I think that Sarn
like hal Brian, what the hell he is? Anatar? Saron
just is gonna just fucking kill ad Our. And then
from that point, like it's just like I like I
have the crown now or follow me, like like they're
already scared of Sourn. They have ad Ar that's gonna
be the one that saves them from him, and then
if he just like murders their father at Ar right
in front of all of them, it's like, oh my god,
like we have no other option. The elves are gonna
genocide us. Maybe he'll do some like smooth silky words
and like say that like he'll protect them, kind of
like how Adar is doing right now.
Speaker 5: But I really hope it.
Speaker 2: I don't even want that though, Like I would so
much rather him just be like no, like rule with
a bairn fist, because that's that's pretty much how he
would be ruling, you know. I know I'm not supposed
to be saying it's the same continuity of like the Lordlings,
but I'm just kind of playcating like that type of
idea would be the end goal of it. So I
think that would be it. And then it's just like man,
the Orcs are just forever. They can never just be happy,
they can never just have their children and raise raise
them in peace times. I think it's just like a
doomed race, and I want them to go that route
because it's just it sucks for them. But I think
it's just fitting more so too the Orcs that I
know of, so that's kind of how I'm hoping it
to go, and also how I think it will go,
but mostly hope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you said, if he's gonna try to
talk to him, remember the season start with that flashback
of the orcs killing him while he's doing his big speech, right,
So it's not like that really worked. We didn't get
the full context of what I do it again they
keep and the ends up in the water again and everything,
like they never gave us the full context of why
they didn't maybe exactly trust them, But yeah, I hope.
It's just kind of like, Okay, we tried it this way,
but I'm back, get in linery die, I don't care
like you just do what And then they turn into grunts,
and the ones that do I actually would like if
they've gone this route, to stick with it now and
have some orcs pushed back. But then sar On also
murder those orcs in front of everybody and just make
examples out of all of them, like, hey, I don't
care that your wife's pregnant somewhere, like we're gonna go
kill all these people.
Speaker 2: No more baby orcs, no more fucking sterilyzes, no more
not this time.
Speaker 4: Like birth in the mud pitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like in sports when some coaches like don't
let their players like get off before a game. That's
gonna be so wrong. But like for like thousands of years,
like until I've won, you don't have any sex.
Speaker 5: So I hope that line happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are all my at our thoughts.
Speaker 3: Hope he dies next week. Yeah he's not gonna. I
have a feeling he's actually not gonna. I thought he was,
but I feel like it's gonna end off.
Speaker 5: I think the finale. I don't think next week.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I I have a rumble of my tummy
that he's gonna make it out and it's gonna be
like him and Galadil stuck together somewhere.
Speaker 2: And they I think that relationships are ruined at this point.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything.
Speaker 3: No, it's like they have to work together though, like
Saarron has them captured or like I think it's gonna
be that where they again by proxy, have to work
one another. I hope not. But just thero route they're
setting up here, I just feel like he's gonna lose
everybody and then glad you will see more that Okay,
there is a human in there. Oh God, I don't
want anything. I hope, yeah, hop rid.
Speaker 2: Of that urn in the show and just yeah and
give us some more gladial stuff. I don't really touch
upon her for for this season, but as you guys
were talking about, but I completely agree with what you
were saying where especially Dylan, like, I completely agree. I
think she is by far the biggest drop off, just
because she is so easily like the main pillar going
through that first season and then to where she is now.
It is it really just seems like a scheduling conflict
at this point because I don't know, I think even
the writing reasons on why she's not there is it.
Speaker 5: It just seems lazy to me.
Speaker 2: And I think because we're spending time with things that
I find a lot less interesting, like the Harfoots. You know,
So just maybe some maybe some gandals that like I
would just so much rather spend the screen time you know,
on on more her dynamic between Anatar or Sourn or
even just other elves. Yeah, maybe maybe you don't have
I am happy that there was no Linden stuff. They
did mention Linden in this episode, so I was where
we're gonna be going straight to fucking gil Galad. But yeah,
what a fucking yeah stone brick that guy is. But yeah,
glad y'all, I'm I'm hoping that the finale she really
has more time to pop off, because I did really
like when she was, you know, kicking ass in those
action scenes earlier on this season.
Speaker 3: Stupid high King last week, and I can't remember who
was asking him, but he had like his little visions
and they had that weird moment where he like grabbed
his robe and they used like like very low quality footage.
I was like, I don't like this. In Lord of
the Rings, I wasn't a fan of like the montage.
But then he like looks to his companion. He's like,
he's like, I believe Sauron is the cause of all this,
and I just like, like, you can't say it, like
at least say I believe. I believe that glad Real's
been right this whole time. But it's like I believe, yeah,
like he's taking credit for figuring this all. It's like, dude,
from episode one, man, I think a lot about shit's happening,
and I think it's him. And I've already complained about that,
but they just did it again last week where it's
just like I think the dark Lord is back. It's like, well,
not like come on now, like again, what's what we
even doing with in there other than to like, okay,
you know, Sorron and Calvin Maerhen they wrote the fake
note and that plays into it great, but it's just like,
I don't know, just just a weird moment. Yeah, but
unfortunately he's not like ad Ar. He's gonna be with
us for a bit. So mm hmm.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think of the Bombadil Gandolf two
scenes that we got in this episode. Yeah, I said
that I was getting more warm to it. I still
don't like that he's kind of like on a side
and like he is speaking philosophical and like just just
speaking in riddles to Gandal, But it still seems like
he's very much like Soaron's evil.
Speaker 5: You need to get rid of him.
Speaker 2: And I really just wanted him to be an absolute
neutral character, kind of like how the Answer were trying
to be, you know, before they do end up picking
a side. But I guess that's just like my personal
bias into it. The actual scene itself, I forget the
Chap's name that that's playing Tom Bombadil. But I do
really like his performance and everything, Like I think he's
I think he's really fantastic, just going back and forth
between him and Gandalf in that one sequence. But yeah,
like like deep down, it's like, ah, I wish he
was just completely neutral and was was you know, not
really guiding Gandalf to a certain point.
Speaker 3: But that was the part of your problem with him.
He didn't like that he was always like always just
around doing nothing. I thought you hated that.
Speaker 5: I don't hate that.
Speaker 2: That's what makes him Tom Bombadil and just one of
one character in this amazing you know, like just world
that is Tolkien's universe. But because like I don't know,
like I think I would have preferred like if it
was Sourman for example, like guiding Gandalf on this journey,
like teaching him how to be like a wizard, as
opposed to Tom Bombadil kind of doing that. But I
don't know, Like I still like the scene. I like
the dialogue. I think there was some good line said.
So yeah, like if I'm able to just kind of
keep my biases at the door and just.
Speaker 5: Enjoy the content, for what it was. I did really
like the scene.
Speaker 2: I liked when he looks back and he's just completely gone,
because that like adds to the mystery of what Tom
Bombadil is because we never see Gandalf do that or
any other wizards, right, so it is something that is
unique more so than just other magic users that we've
seen in the past. So I did like that aspect.
But for the most part, I still think that he
should be written a little bit differently.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm just stubborn in that sense. I guess most you.
Speaker 3: Could just say it thousand years later, right, So maybe
he changes a little bit over time, he gets less
and less uh with it, forgets with it, but uh
uh yeah, I think this is it for him for
the most part. I think he's gonna be I'm not
saying he'll never go.
Speaker 5: Hadaway right to give Gandalf his hat once he's done.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's five seasons, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like he's not gone forever, but I think he's done
this season when he disappeared. I love when he looked
at there like old tomb Bombane will show you the way,
Like I like that. I wish they made him a
little more weird. I was wanting him to be a
little more off the wall because he is in the book.
So he didn't get him singing either, So yeah, I
was a little disappointed by that, but I liked enough.
I do agree with you, Kirklinz a little. It's go
tub before where I don't need the This is literally
just a exposition jump jump for Gandalf since episode four
pretty much of Hey, this is your path is what
you guys. It's just laying out what's gonna happen in
Lord of the Rings, and I think that's kind of yeah,
I guess I'd rather do him just be Gandalf and
then okay, what were his ventures or stuff beforehand? You know,
but it's clearly not like even though I'm just using
the words destiny like it is odd, right because either
way not the movies Gandoff does you know, die but
then gets recent to kind of you know, balance the scale.
So you could make an argument like it is a
destiny sort of say situation, But how I view gain
if it's not like his destiny is to fight and
take down sar On. You know, that's not the way
I think of it as when I watched Lord of
the Rings. So it is when you throw the word
destin out, it's a little it's a little odd. But
before anyone else goes because I don't want to forget,
we talked about Taylor talking about last week's episode. He said, yeah,
it was great. The bar is set high right now,
l L. So that's why.
Speaker 1: But differently, I didn't say me and Dylan that was
the greatest episode, O L.
Speaker 3: No, I gotta go back. No. I think you said
you and Dal really like best episode so far of
all time for me and Dylan, and that's what was that. Yeah,
it was great. The bar was set L.
Speaker 4: Sorry, this was a text to you.
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I thought you were saying that you listened to the
podcast and he said that on last week's review.
Speaker 3: But still, if he were to say the bar is said,
if I had not seen the episode, I'm on the road.
I asked how the episode is, and if he says
the bar is set high, l L, I don't take
that as it was a good episode last week. So
that that's where I was surprised.
Speaker 1: But I was after L O L.
Speaker 4: Is definitely an interesting flavored choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was after the statement though, I said, greatest
episode of all time so far.
Speaker 3: But then but but why still have the loll at all?
So the bar said high lol yeah friendly, Like imagine
imagine the first time well.
Speaker 4: You picture you knew was a lighthearted statement.
Speaker 3: I guess, like, imagine the first time made love and
she texted me how was it? And you like, bar
said high l L.
Speaker 1: So the first message would be like, that was the
greatest thing of all time, and then after though, and
the next next message should be like, oh yeah, I
know the bar said really high low. I'm like, okay, yeah,
after after the.
Speaker 4: Other comment context he yeah, yeah. The the I guess like, like,
I don't have as much of a preconception as you
two in terms of what this character should be like
or even what I want him.
Speaker 3: To be, like.
Speaker 4: This is my first experience with him, but I just
felt like this sequence, h well, one, it was very
different than how he was acting, not even well maybe
not acting, but at least how he was written previously,
where I did feel like he was more lighthearted in
those previous scenes, and definitely he still had that mystery
factory factor to him, but he was a little bit
more fun where is this. He was much more stern,
and I just felt like it wasn't that interesting where
Gandalf's like, Okay, I gotta I've been having dreams of Norway.
I gotta go save her. And then he's pretty much
just like, okay, well you could save her, or you
can or every and then everyone else in the world
will die ever, or you can go and stop that
and then everyone lives. So it's like, okay, well, that's
not that really interesting of a dilemma. I mean you
pretty much just it's like the easiest trolley problem of
all time, like one person, you know, one one for
a million, the classic tomb raider, mean there, So I
don't know it just it just wasn't that interesting to me.
And then he just pieces out there. So it was
just so little that it was hard hard for me
to feel too against it or for it either way.
But uh yeah, I guess if you're right, Travis, this
is the end of Balmbadil for like this season or
this sequence. I'm curious what this Gandalf like on his
own will be up to because we haven't really seen
that much in this show. Just like people on their
own at any point, it's always in the relation of
someone else. So I don't know. Maybe he maybe he
doesn't listen to maybe he does go back for Norrare.
I'm not sure, but we'll see the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot you brought that, like we did. I
didn't talk about that, but I'm glad you brought up. Yeah.
I I wish that was done a little more cautiously
because it just just makes it seem like, yeah, you know,
neither be friends with these hobbits or the world ends
like no, there's not like a middle ground there, because I.
Speaker 2: Think that's as kirklin sid would have been perfect, like
something a little more ambiguous, something more to.
Speaker 4: Like chew on. But it was just so like plain statement,
very specific.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I said that, and I said this
to non Splas, my hope is that it's pushing him
away from the horror foots, you know. That's my hope
is that he does have to this end of the season,
he says goodbye to them emotionally hug which I will say,
if they do say goodbye, super that'll hurt my final
rating for this season because we did like their chemistry.
So if they're gonna say goodbye, why don't you have
all of season two, him the Harfoots, Power a Round
going adventures. Then well we gotta say goodbye, our journeys
over till next time, you know. But to have them
together for three episodes, separate them, put them back together
for the finale, and then him probably say bye again,
what a what A yeah?
Speaker 4: I guess it just feels like, in my opinion, it
feels like they are no more than like a three
hours journey from each other right now on the map.
But since the time in this show is so confusing,
I don't know, they could be so far away from
each other at this point. They could be weeks or
months away from each other. I don't know how that
would have happened, because they haven't really moved much since
they've got to the Stewards.
Speaker 2: And then him with bomba deal. But who knows what
happened with his tornado blast thing. Maybe it launched them
halfway across the Middle Ear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Taylor, you didn't talk about ghandof at all. You
were just sending loll texts.
Speaker 1: I did not talk about Ganda, yeah he he. In
my opinion, has the destiny card of needing to be
present in Middle Earth to defeat Saron. I feel like
that's how I kind of take that in when I
watched lot of the Rings.
Speaker 3: Because you think it's his destiny to be there.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's his destiny because I
feel like you have the wizards here that are present,
and not all of them fulfill their destinies, like you
have Saramon who completely fails and watches it. So you
have a lot of them that are still like lingering
around Middle Earth, like like rat of Gas and the
Blue Wizards, so they are not like completing what they're
sent there to do.
Speaker 3: What's destiny versus like a job, you know, because it's
Sarn's job that or Sarmon's job to help.
Speaker 2: Out this fancy way to say job. You know, it's
your destiny to come in.
Speaker 3: I don't like that.
Speaker 5: That's what you have. It's like, you know, what fun
that I'm gonna go off in the wilderness.
Speaker 3: With the Blue Wizards.
Speaker 2: They're like, no, we're going We're going to the East.
We're going in touring to Europe.
Speaker 3: Don't like that?
Speaker 1: Mmhmm uh so yeah, I just I think that it's
it's destiny, and like, you know, you try to quit
your job by by dying and your boss just pulls
the resurrection card on you and sends you back in,
so you just, uh, you know, he couldn't escape it.
But all at all, at this point, I'm I didn't
feel like the sense that he was just gonna give
up on the Harfoots. I feel like something's gonna happen.
He's probably gonna find his staff within five minutes and
then he's just gonna just fucking charge him there and
then say the stores and the Harfoots and all that.
So I think I think that's what's gonna go down.
I'm not. I'm not feeling like they're necessarily gonna just
go their own path, even though I I because like
we need to have a little bit more time. I
feel like to really cement that relationship. As to White
at Up is just fucking obsessed with Hobbits, and I
feel like this little journey with them, oh he's obsessed,
you know, like Dragon takes over Arabor. I'm gonna go
get myself a fucking hobbited one ring. I'm gonna get
four fucking Hobbits for this one, like.
Speaker 4: The only years right between like this and Fellowship. Mm hmm,
there's other hobbits.
Speaker 1: That's true. It is a long time, so I mean
he gets like a time to form a little list
and like roster of names, this hobbit, that hobbit.
Speaker 3: He only wanted one hobbit. Mary Pippin tagged along, and
Sam was only supposed to be there as like his
like you know bag boy or whatever you know bad boy,
he is fellowship boy.
Speaker 1: He definitely wanted Sam. He smacks Sam in the garden
and dragged him in, is like, I got a better.
Speaker 5: Use for you. He's like, yeah, like what are.
Speaker 3: We gonna do? I guess the assassins But.
Speaker 4: Like what you're saying to earlier to like, I don't.
I can't see many of these stories having a satisfying
conclusion on this season. No, like me, this this episode
more than ever. I was like, oh, yeah, they confirmed
five seasons, right or like they.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like the Dark Wizard Dark Wizard versus Gandelf
is gonna happen. But like I feel like that in
itself is at least like a twenty minute situation because
you want to have a lot, you want to have
them talking. There's gonna be a lot of dialogue. Probably
the Dark wizard turning him over, converting him, and then
you're gonna have a fight. Like that's not something you
can really squeeze into uh what like a fifty minute
I guess they're full hours or at least an hour,
So an hour long episode and we have a full
war to go on with Ergion and then we have yeah,
like Gil Glad, like are we even gonna see him again?
Like is he just like he's paralyzed in fear with
holding his fucking jewels, like his ring, Like, I don't know,
there's so many there's there's a few characters here. That's
just there's so much to go on. And at one
point where I thought that even the ball rog was
going to pop in, it's not gonna happen this season.
They're just they keep even again that he was in
this episode twiddling in the fires, like they just keep
toying with it, so and.
Speaker 3: So on, so on, because I listened to you, because
tell you like, oh, Sarron has no idea that he's there,
but now he does.
Speaker 7: Now he does, and he's smiling, he's always I felt
like I feel like that scene like confirmed that he
knew that it was there the whole time like the
present since then he's wanting them to you know, delve
deep and greedy.
Speaker 3: Because to me, it was like a a quiet threat.
It was like he wanted them just to give him
the stuff and then he didn't get it. Well, his
plan B was well the bell rocks and unleash and
just mess your guys up. But like, unfortunately he didn't
like reveal that to the four Dwarves. They didn't get
that end of the year, like maybe if they knew
likely it's a bad way. But I sort and said, hey,
I'm gonna fuck this whole place up if you don't
give him stuff. Maybe it's like, okay, we'll give you
the the kny thrill, you know, but now he's no,
he's anyways, he got the most curious to anyways did
he or is that also a falsehood that.
Speaker 2: He was kind of like you know when like a
fake drug dealer like sells a regueo to someone and
pretending like I didn't know if that's what he was doing.
Speaker 1: But it's his product, right, so like like why would
he make fake rings? I feel like he'd want the
real thing.
Speaker 6: But maybe yeah, but if he can't get the real thing,
he has to go with what he has.
Speaker 1: Right, which is better than the real thing.
Speaker 3: No, but it's maybe more tainted, but it still works, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Soren's not looking for a pure ring here. Yeah,
Caleb Brimbor wants a pure ring. He just wants an
effective ring that'll do what he wants it to do, right,
Like he does. It's not like he just, oh, I
need dud rings for these men, Like he does want
them to do what he wants them to do. I'm
just also curious if the myth thrill is as important
to that goal, Like, like, does he really need it
to get it? I think yes, because he did seem
a little bit bummed when Duran didn't accept his offer there.
But I'm also curious if that's more so he's just
bummed that he wasn't gonna keep digging deep and greedily.
But they are doing that, so like I feel like
he's really just playing like four D chess at this point,
and just it seems like every move that is happening.
One might argue it's just like, well, of course it's
Souron's plan all along, that everything's happening. But I also
kind of like if that is the case, even if
it is like a bit of a stretch that he
has so much influence. I feel like, because he is
just such a ethereal type being of darkness, of evil,
of all these things, Like I would believe that that
is possible that he does have all that. But you know,
like I'm curious if someone that doesn't, like even if
they haven't seen Lord of the Rings, if they're just
watching this show, like, is that an a believable thing
for just having this hall Brand character, if he is
just like you know, like, I'm curious for an audience
member like that, how they feel on just all of
the reason it's like, oh well, it's Souran all along.
Like when Gladiel's freaking out.
Speaker 5: It's like it's him. It was him the whole time, because.
Speaker 2: He is like the answer to all of the issues
right of everything that's going on right now in this world.
Speaker 3: I would love to ask those people because I I
would get the feeling lots of general audience don't like
this sar On because they're not familiar with it. Because
in the movies you just see big evil guy in armor.
That's spooky. So I feel like to have him looking
like Halbrand, have him looking like this elf. Like, I
feel like that is probably a big disconnect for people
when they've.
Speaker 6: Tried in the marketing to like they have.
Speaker 3: Him all the time as his anatar version, right, like,
this is Sorrow and he's coming. But I don't think
jar Auens is like, oh my god, yes, that's sorrow.
I think they look at him be like that's sorrow.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it really connects with that with
the people that love just the.
Speaker 6: The movies in a sense that oh I saw them.
Speaker 3: A couple times and I, you know, not the way
we love him right that enjoy them, but the more
casual enjoyers of it. So and I don't know, maybe
he was just bummed that the king just even said
no to him, right, Maybe he thought like he's just
checking in to like see if he's stills control over
this guy. And I was surprised that King durn said
no because I thought, you know, this this ring is
still on him and he's been having a little bit
of you know, he's hit his son, so not a
great father the year. So I was surprised that he
did say no to Sorrow. But uh uh, yeah, that happens.
Speaker 1: Well, it makes sense right, like what his plan is.
He's he wants Souron to come back, begging, like I'll
pay like three times what I was offering before just
for some me throw. So he was like he's a
weapons dealer now it does.
Speaker 3: But I just still thought like Sarin had like sorry,
with these rings, maybe would have more control over him,
you know, more just like make him do kind of
whatever he wants, like puppeteering in a little bit. So
that's why I was surprised he still has some free
will going on, because last episode he just seemed like
a man possessed and that's where this week he still
did to an extent, but he still had like a
moment of clarity for himself. So I thought Sorrow would
just like, oh, I got these rings on them, We're
good to go now. You know, it's not the case.
Speaker 1: I would say, like he he definitely like was able
to tap into these rings and like cause a little
bit of a ruckus. But these rings are different from
like the one ring, and like the rings of men,
they're a tear below what the Helvin rings are, so
like he definitely helped to make them, but as tainted
as they are, they're definitely not like a full on
like I think in service of souron, But.
Speaker 4: I definitely have some questions with his plan there, Like
I didn't think about the bell Rock angle like you
guys did. That's that's very smart. I'm wonder like I
am curious about that, Like if that is fake my thrill,
like that kind of makes sense, but if not, Like
is that is that why he went there? Like maybe
he figured that would be King Duran's answer, but he
wanted to get some anyway. But I don't know where
he would have got that from. He like snuck in
because if he did, we didn't see that sequence.
Speaker 1: Well, he dropped a name, right, what was that dwarf's name?
Like the head nar minor guy?
Speaker 5: What was that Kirk Narvy?
Speaker 1: Like happened?
Speaker 4: What are you talking about with?
Speaker 1: When he's talking to Kler Brimbor, He's like, yeah, Narvy
gave me like the most purest and outer form of
me thrill.
Speaker 5: Just because he's like the headminer like you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So maybe he pults some magic on him and convinced.
Speaker 4: I mean, what wasn't he lying to him for like
five minutes straight in that sequence?
Speaker 1: Uh? Just visually, But I think.
Speaker 4: I guess I didn't think twice about him talking about Narvi,
like if the whole thing was he fabricated this whole
fake world for him, so I wasn't like, oh, but
that one line that's that must be legit, so maybe
that is what it is. If that is the case,
I feel like it was maybe a bit messy the
the betrayal of that. This other thing too is I
feel like it's so important for him to be in Orangion,
Like what he's doing with Calibrinbore has to be done
with such a perfect balance, because we even saw last
week that Calibrinbore was pushing back on some of the
things that he was saying, and maybe this is all
part of his plan, but I feel like there is
an angle to it where he has magic powers and
we actually we did see that this weekend. We can
talk about that, but for the most part, like he
really has to be on top of it. And we've
talked about how like, Okay, it doesn't seem like kauz
a Doom and Oragan are that far from each other,
but still he actually traveled there and it like, let's
say that takes a week or a couple weeks like
that's potentially a long time to be away, and maybe
in that time, calibern working theory kind of come back
to his senses a little bit, if he's not being persuaded,
not being hit with that dark magic while he's away,
and maybe he can kind of connect with some of
his smiths again or something. So it seems like a risk,
but once again, it's it's my biggest confusion with the
show in general, I think is just the uncertain time
jumps that we have, Like he just goes to cause
a doom. We don't really know how long that takes,
but it feels like that would be a big commitment,
especially when there's fucking orcs on the front porch. Yeah,
of aragy on that whole time before he leaves, after
he leaves, during while he's away. It's it just seems
like such a big risk. And if he went there
to get the myth role makes sense. But if he
didn't and this is all a fake ruse, and then
it doesn't seem like it was really worth it, or
a big miscalculation, which doesn't seem like he's doing right now.
It seems like he's on top of his game, So
I'm left a little little confused, but maybe we'll get
some of those answers kind of a tractively next week.
Speaker 2: I didn't really think about that, like transportation aspect of
him getting like it seems like it's like a blockade
of orcs right all around. Reggaeon on the logistics of
how he would have got there.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, he's magic though, right, Yeah, I knows it's
big plot armor. But it's just like, I just feel like,
I know he's we talk about like what is the
power level sarum, But I just feel like at any
point they're like, oh, yeah, well he knew this little shock.
Speaker 2: He got from Mordor to fucking Lyndon or a regae
on where the hell he was you know, from the
end of season one, season two, that's much further. That's like,
it's further than Frodo's journey.
Speaker 4: He can he can zip around, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just you're talking about Killer Brimbod there. I
feel like I feel like, while watching the show, it's
made me like question myself on like how much I
really knew about this character or if this is like
I don't know, somewhat accurate, if he was always like
so obsessed with his craft that he would just completely
disregard like his entire kingdom. I did really like the
sequence actually when he does kind of he's able to
open up his eyes momentarily at least to actually put
the safety of his city over, you know, the craft
of the rings. It's like, I gotta go check this out.
And then it's all you know, sarn his mind fuckery powers,
and then he has that breath of like you know,
just just the relief exhale. It's like, Okay, I can
actually focus on my craft because my city is safe.
Speaker 5: Like I did like that moment, but I feel like
it's just been super.
Speaker 2: Maybe inconsistent of like him being off the rails basically
Jack from fucking the Shining level of like crazy of
so obsessed with his craft, like just yelling at his
smiths and all that.
Speaker 3: Working here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like like I did, because I like those moments
of just like the actual presence of Sauron and when
he's like it's super clearly like gas lighting gilabrinboard when
he's looking for his like hammer, it's like you looking
at that.
Speaker 5: One right, there's like what is going on like.
Speaker 2: That? It's like one step away from Hannibal when he
fucking gives Will's.
Speaker 3: Where the hell it is you wanted to want? Season four? Yeah,
don't get those mess up from the doctors. I got
a case. Yeah. No, he's just like his mind's gonna
be completely gone by in this season. Is he making
out of the season? Is he somebody that's around still?
Like I feel like I.
Speaker 2: Could see him going down in the siege of a
rag Yon. Yeah, especially if it's like right at the end,
like a city is just crumbling and he like realizes
of like everything that he has done, and it's just like.
Speaker 5: What a way to go out, like just knowing all
of that, Like.
Speaker 4: He takes the last hammer swing of that ninth ring
just slits his throat.
Speaker 5: That could be.
Speaker 1: That could very well be the case.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping we at least see some emotion of realization
from him, just how the actor kind of you know,
pop off and click in those moments.
Speaker 5: But good, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I hope I get like my trial episode with him
next season. It's just.
Speaker 5: Like and like the head see with the Judge Hammler.
Speaker 6: Because random man just came in started take making rings.
Speaker 3: With you and you didn't think that was odd, Like
they just grow on me. He's like, I am the
dumbest elf ever to live, and.
Speaker 1: It's being a dumb Elves. Let's jump to another at
break here and we are back.
Speaker 3: Dumb. Aren't elves dumb? Well, with syphilis, you can make
them smarter, just.
Speaker 5: Like a total targeted ad.
Speaker 4: Whatever the Okay, So the big illusion that he pulled
on calibrimboord there, Uh? I have questions? What is this
an evolution of his power? Has he been able to
do this for some amount of time? Is he Is
it because of myth thrill or a ring or something
like that he's able to do this?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: I don't know what. What is the context of him
able to do this power?
Speaker 2: But if I had to, you know, defend defend it
and try and give it an explanation, I would just
say that he hasn't really used like like power like
this really since he's resurrected. So maybe he's just been like,
you know, building up the power level and then now
he just really like exerted himself to do this, because
it did seem like he he had to really concentrate
on it more so than he's had to for other things,
maybe turning in anatar maybe that took you know, maybe
doing like the Light Show when he does the Jesus
walk down from the clouds, maybe that took some effort.
But I feel like this is a lot of power,
and I think it's totally within his power to be
able to do something like this, So I I I
I really liked it, especially that it's not like overused.
It's not like he's doing this to everyone, like he
really had to concentrate to feel because what a fucking assument.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's probably an angle of it as well,
where it's probably a lot easier to perform on calibrinboor
specifically because his mind is already fucked. Like I don't
think thinking about how he like going up to King
Durant and like, let's say his goal was, I just
actually want the myth throll and I don't have an
ulterior motive, even though he always does. I feel like
he could have done some mind trigger thing like this.
But even though I don't know, maybe the King maybe
he's not a great example because his mind's being affected
by the ring. But that's kind of different than I
think what's going on with calibrinbore. But I feel like
maybe maybe that was part of it too, where you know,
an already feeble mind, maybe he was able to mess
with it even more because of that, because he's in
like that heightened sense of believability or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's like he's had his mind on the ropes,
you know, for the last few few episodes for the
kill now. Yeah, Like, I think it'd be a lot
harder for him to do a play like that on
someone like Galadriel, you know, or like l Ron for
like like someone that's.
Speaker 4: Maybe season one Gladriel, but season two easy.
Speaker 3: You can't pull that on add or I know your tricks,
you know. Yeah, No, I think like you guys point
out weak mind. I think also just that maybe he
doesn't always want to bust up this big magic because
if something goes wrong, it pulls up, you know, like
the jigs up. So I just feel like it's kind
of he couldn't. He tried to talk to him to
just sit down and saying, oh, I gotta cover I'll
take care of it, and he was leaving, so it's
kind of like his last resort because yeah, it would
be odd for just to go in there and like
want a vision like ensnare this whole city, because like
eventually people would catch on, right, So I feel it
could be yes, because his week's his mind's week, but
just because it was a last resort of Okay, I
mean I have to do this because he's not listening,
and like I said, on think you do to everybody
because maybe they would put two and two together. So yeah,
and I'm fine with the with the power per se,
so m yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was really neat to see this kind
of presentation of his powers and just this whole on illusion.
And I was waiting for the scene too when Kele
Primberg goes back in his little tower and you just
get that transition showcasing what's really going on in the
chaos and everything. It's just such a it's crazy, It's
absolutely crazy. Plus he made night turn to daytime, which
was that takes a lot of time energy, I imagine
to just change the time of day like that. But
I like that he was playing off of kelib Brinboor's
weakness and just creating like a peaceful zen kind of
area where elves are painting children, elves are flying kites
and all that kind of stuff. But Keli Brinbore is
just he's a big dufist. At this point, He's being
played so hard and I feel like they're gonna.
Speaker 3: Under cell No.
Speaker 1: The way that they're going to present his death is
I feel like he's just going to the veil is
gonna fall, and he's gonna hear the siege drums again,
and he's just gonna like he'll walk out on the
balcony of his tower, or he'll walk out down below
after the rings are done, and it's just an orc
arrow is just gonna like fucking dome him in the chest.
I think it's gonna be a very underwhelming death. I
don't think it's gonna be anything.
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna die from a stray arrow.
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 6: I feel like I think if he dies sas killing them.
Speaker 1: Not too. I think it also could.
Speaker 3: Be Taylor's want. It's either the very underwelling death or
killed by the biggest villain of the series. It's one
or the other. Yeah, oh my god, did we didn't
say anything. We don't have anything to talk about with
the the Harfoots. That one is kissing the other one,
and I guess they're in love. Is she's just gonna
stay there now? I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't care, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I just want to mention that.
Speaker 5: In this episode.
Speaker 4: What one thing from the Dwarves that I was like
a little silly is that Diesel wants to stop them from,
you know, digging too deep into the mountains. But like
her plan is to stand in a corner that they're
gonna go mine and then summon bats to scare them off.
But it's like, are they not mining in multi locations
at the same time, but they literally only mining in
like one linear line. And if so, it's like, Okay,
the bats have come through scared them off. If they
come back like four minutes later, like aren't the bats
gone at that point? Like can she just summon more bats?
It just felt like it's cute scene, I guess, but
like I don't really believe that that would work at all. Uh,
maybe it's just delaying them a little bit, but it
seemed a little little cheesy for my liking.
Speaker 5: I completely agree.
Speaker 2: I was really waiting for like a nice eloquent explanation
of what their plan was, and then it's just like.
Speaker 5: More I gonna come back and we'll be ready. It's like,
what the fuck does that mean? And they just kind of.
Speaker 4: Like maybe they have a stone singer at every cave, just.
Speaker 2: With an army of bats behind them.
Speaker 4: But maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna be like, Okay, now that
they're gone, let's storm the fucking throne room and like
dethroned dor Like I thought that's what was happening here.
Speaker 5: I thought this was like a total takeover because it
seemed like, oh.
Speaker 4: They're gonna work for an afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in order to stop it, like they have
to fucking take trnout now. Otherwise, Yeah, they're just gonna
be overrun by a lot of doors. So I'm curious
as to what's gonna happen next week, you know, as
the great Marboso would say. But yeah, well we'll see
what happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times can you sing like you're
gonna wake up the bower on you faster? Like I
wouldn't be singing down there if you're heard in the rumbles.
Speaker 3: But I shouldn't know what those rumbles are though, right.
Speaker 1: She doesn't know, that's true.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to circle back to the harfoots one
quick second. Now there the name drop. Uh Mary Mack
was in this episode, and it made me think of
uh Mary a doc, right, so I just wonder it
can And even then when you have Poppy and you
got Pippin, what Pippen is that like a family name
or is pip In the first name because I guess Mary.
Speaker 5: Took so Took is his last name?
Speaker 4: Took?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just thinking Mary Mack and and uh Mary
a doc. Maybe it's like.
Speaker 5: A Mary Dodge something. Brandy Brandy foot. I think that's
his random book brand Brandon. What is it Brandy foot?
My gosh, Brandy.
Speaker 6: Right, it's one of those my gosh, bilbol says and
brand feet.
Speaker 3: And then I remember that shot. His foot's on the thing.
Where is it the other way around? Now? Now I can't.
Speaker 2: I think he's a Brandy buck though. Yeah, there you go,
blind fool in the in the chat.
Speaker 3: Thank you the fica again.
Speaker 5: Then that's just more hot. They're all there, right, they're
all there for They're all just fucking getting hype.
Speaker 3: I'm going now.
Speaker 4: And I shall not come back. Hey, I guess newman
Or is what we're left with here?
Speaker 3: Is going on with this town? So they have a
queen the ouster for this magic okay whatever. A big
eagle comes down and cause and they go, this means
this guy was the king. So then I'm two weeks later,
this lady goes back in the water, she gets chucked
up by a sea urchin. They go, well, she must
be the queen. Not she gets chucked out and they're
just like, well, she must be the queen after all.
I'm done here, I'm done. I like, what's happening.
Speaker 4: It wasn't that she was queen again? Right or did
I miss it? But then they just say she's We're
just not killing her now, diseas.
Speaker 3: That's what he Yeah, he announced her as right, and
everyone's like so it's just like again no, but it's
just like that's the way it's going because like she's
been ordained in my opinion of like, she's not guilty,
and just like the crowdsery chain from her. I I
do like what's going on with the seal door's dad
and his daughter and him being prideful, very ned stark.
I like that, So, I like, I've always liked that character.
The rest of the stuff I don't need. I'm not
liking any of this. I think it's cheesy. I don't
think it's well written. I think a lot of the
other than him, I think a lot of the poor
at is in that section, Like the guy that's playing
the new King is not not doing it for me.
So the everything there is just and even then just
this whole the try like I guess, I I guess,
like trial by this sea creature like all right, Like
I don't know, just I guess it just doesn't feel
too Lord of the Ringsey to me for that one.
That's maybe that's something that's happened the books that feels
more like a parts Caribbean thing. I just didn't that's
not anything we've seen in like the movies. Nothing I
crawl in the book and the hobble like okay, well,
and even Game of Thrones they do that, right while
trial by combat or trial all this it's just like, okay, well,
we're gonna throw you in the water and if you're
not guilty, this thing will.
Speaker 6: Spit you back out and if you are, it'll swall.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I'm just just none of this
stuff is working for me on kind of all levels unfortunately.
So yeah, I don't know how much more.
Speaker 4: Ad Yeah, it's uh, it's not great. I also I
feel like we're getting like a lot of little micro
spats between these characters, but like an overarching sense like
since our far are far Zon, that name is really
difficult for me. Has become the new leader? Like has
he done anything? Like is there a reason that we
as a viewership believe that he's a bad leader? Other
than then he's like acts really sus and like is
hanging out with the pellanteer. But like in terms of
his choices killing.
Speaker 3: People, right, the people that used to be loyal to
the old.
Speaker 5: Churt, they're like shutting down the religion of the city, right.
Speaker 4: Okay, but the religion of the city.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just like the following of the valor like
like that that was like the whole thing with like
they thought they were going to be clever by you know,
if they want to.
Speaker 5: Follow the their beliefs, because.
Speaker 2: They're just so anti whatever their religion their belief is,
we'll just toss her in the sea and they'll childers
drown and that'll be that we.
Speaker 5: Don't have to worry about.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess they're talking about a lendial at this point,
like like we don't have to worry about him because
this is going to be the result. And then when
you know, Muriel gets shot out of the water, they're
like genuinely like shocked that it happened. And I do
like that now like they have a grip on this,
Like sorry, they had a grip on the city by
just pointing out how basically false the the following of
like just murials people have of like the valor and
just how that goes. Now there's starting to be some
cracks there, so I feel like they're already just regretting
like allowing that to happen. I thought that they're actually
gonna like mess with that so that like I thought
they were trying to bait them into being like, Okay,
we'll do the trial, and then when she jumps in
the water, someone just fucking slices her throat or something like, like
I thought it was gonna go that and then it's like, oh,
it's clearly not working.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like like I thought it was actually gonna go
that way. They weren't.
Speaker 2: They weren't making that complicated or difficult. But yeah, I
I do agree with you, though, Dylan. I think they
could have been doing a lot more of just showing
like the complete changing of the guard, because it kind
of just seems like numan Or is being ran like
the same because we haven't really seen like what's going
on other parts of the Kingdom. It's more so just
like a changing of the people that are running it,
but like we don't really know how it's affecting anyone
else other than just that sequence when a Seal Door's
buddy got shanked by our Farzonce shitty Sun.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I think I think that's maybe one
of the issues of why I'm less invested is one
which I think we talked about last week or probably
even multiple times this season, is that none of the
key power players that we are invested in, our care
about in this show are there right now. So it's
just like a bunch of people that I'm like, oh, okay,
here we go. Let's spend five minutes with Aarien and
she's I don't even know what her motives are and
I don't really care. But then the other thing is like,
since it's on its island in the middle of nowhere,
and we talked about this last week, like Newmanor is
like this place but there's other cities like on this island,
but there's no interaction between any of those cities, and
there's no relation between what's going on here and the
rest of goings on in Middle Earth. So it just
feels like a separate thing. And so I guess I
just feel like the stakes of it don't really get
matters as much when where we can have an episode
where we're fo like the Dwarves are in cause of
Doom and they're doing their own thing. But then you'll
have an episode like this where there's okay, interactions with
the Ragon and these other characters. You can kind of
draft with a big web of how all these characters and
places are interacting. But I feel like Nu Minor, even
last season it did have more of those connections with
other characters coming and going, but this season it's really
just been the people that are here. They're here, and
that's kind of it. And that's where I just feel
like I don't really care at all. So I don't know,
We'll see what happens in the future there, but I
think that is just maybe an issue with it, is
like it's not easy to get there. It's harder for
them to just have a scene where Soren's just in
cause of doom and we don't really explain it. It's
believable enough.
Speaker 2: But with numnor Is, since it's such a trek, I
guess they can't really do that as well. And we
need some we need some more eagles to just be
teleportant characters left.
Speaker 4: And right, so we more interactions, I guess. But yeah,
it's not working for me so far.
Speaker 3: Cool anything, Say, you made her the thumbnail, so I
thought you'd have also say, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I thought that what was his name, al Alfons,
Big Funds Big. Yeah, he's using the uh, he's using
the palanteer now, So we officially got to see that
because we only got teased at it with last week, right,
I think that's what they were doing.
Speaker 4: Two episodes ago, I think, But no, it was last week.
Speaker 3: You guys were talking about it because he was hiding,
and you guys were theorizing wasn't using it already or not?
And they confirmed this episode he is, which I wish
they waited for like a little longer than just one
week of just like they ousted her for using this
and then two weeks later, well I'm gonna be using
like I don't know just but he does have it a.
Speaker 2: Pie I guess, dude, that secret like that visual though,
when he when he touches it and then it just
like cracks and expands. Holy fuck, that's some good editing.
That looked so sweet.
Speaker 5: You carry on.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry, ah, I was just gonna say I
love a good sea monster, and this sea monster did
not disappoint. It was pretty cool to see it.
Speaker 4: Really, you liked it.
Speaker 1: I like the sea monster. I was not expecting it
to have all the like the tentacles and then like
a rhinoceros horn, So I think visually it looked pretty
pretty cool, and I kind of like the concept.
Speaker 4: Does a horn make sense for a sea creature?
Speaker 1: Not at all? No, of course, you know there are
horn whales and swordfish.
Speaker 3: So okay, wouldn't it be like is it not like
a defense tactic with.
Speaker 4: Water and like water resistance, Like could you really get
a good swing with like a.
Speaker 5: Use the arms and like pull it on you.
Speaker 6: You know them when something's charging you see that.
Speaker 4: I would have liked to see it do something. Maybe
that's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, episode Silver's Dad, that's I want to take it
in the head and kill it.
Speaker 3: They pick them up and just like cut him an
half over his horn. Guilty, guilty.
Speaker 1: I think that's got an interesting kind of I guess
laws what they were called. It just this this belief
or they spent all morning and blowing their horns calling
this fucking sea creature to their shores. And then yeah,
they just put one person in the pool. And as
you guys already talked about, just if it's if you're innocent,
it'll pitch you out, and if you're guilty, it's just
gonna kill you.
Speaker 2: Our farzon didn't even know that either. He didn't actually
know a.
Speaker 1: Few things like oh can she can she contribute herself
as a tribute here?
Speaker 4: Just too? That is that law.
Speaker 1: And he just has to agree to everything and he's king,
he's just he's.
Speaker 5: All for it, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then like the guy who's like his lawyer, he
like doesn't want to admit that he knows these rules
and that like everything is fair game. He just wants
them to be really suss about it and break the rules.
Speaker 5: It was his plan. He like brought this up right
to to our fars al.
Speaker 2: It's like if they want to do it, well, we
got this rule. It's like, Okay, a little fucking scroll
with him with all the laws aritten down.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think overall the stuff that's going on
with Numan or.
Speaker 2: It, I I definitely agree with the cinema that, like
every all the movie pieces that are going on so
far this season in particular, but just for the show overall,
I feel like we're just spending too many too much
time and or sorry, we're not spending enough time in
like one particular area to really explore like two full
depth of what's going on there. So like when we
have little glimpses of the hard Foots, the fucking Kas
of Doom stuff.
Speaker 5: We got Linda, we.
Speaker 2: Got Gilgallad over there, we got a rag Yon, we
got New Minor, it's just spreads so thin, like too
much butter like our our great backgrounds, not not enough
butter over too much.
Speaker 1: Friend.
Speaker 2: I think Newmanor because of just how expand like you
could have a whole show, not even just a season,
like a whole show on the actual like Downfall of
New Minor, Like I like it could be like a
Game of Thrones level of.
Speaker 3: Sure sell me on that series if they announced that.
Speaker 2: Definitely not because we we spend because we're spending time
in so many different areas, like we don't have we
don't have time to feel the effects of our fars
on taking over Numanor and like just just the shutting
down of like not just like the diminishing of the
belief in the valor, but like actually making it outlawed
that like you cannot do like like that's juice there,
Like that's like total takeover of people's beliefs in the
Kingdom and just how they actually live their lives and
like the foundation of Numanor, like like there's so much
juice that we're just not able to access because we
are just trying to be a jack of all trades
as opposed to really focusing on telling like these really
interesting tales of a place like Numenor of just it's
like an Atlantis type place, like especially when just like
what happens to it, like like like it's a very
similar sort of idea there. So I think even after
five seasons, like looking back on it, I definitely am
going to be thinking that it was lost potential on.
Speaker 5: Other aspects of the show for sure, but specifically.
Speaker 2: New Minor because it's just we just don't have enough time, Like, like,
how much screen time overall have we been in Numanor
in this season. I am kind of curious about that overall,
because at the start of the season it was muriels
Numanor and now it's someone like it's just you know,
it's our fars on, So I don't know. I just
feel like it's we don't have enough time with it.
But that's my overall thought on it. I am liking
some of the stuff that is going on there. I
think I was a lot more positive on this week's episode,
in particular, because it was just more of the actual
tackling the beliefs system of it, and like just the
importance of the valor and the judge. Like I do all,
I like all of the tradition that's going into it
in that regard. I like seeing the paleteer again, So
I do like that stuff. But it's still like it
I'm here thinking that we could have had this done
so much better and had these moments just feel so
much more meaningful and like have stakes to it, but
unfortunately it's not quite the case.
Speaker 3: Love I agree.
Speaker 4: I love a good Kirkland deep dive in the Lord
stud Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it, yes, nowhere.
Speaker 3: Nothing here again of yeah, oh well that's uh, that's it,
that's uh yeah.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week, as Travis would say, the
penultimate episode of Rings of Power season two, so be
sure to check it out. It's gonna be a good
time and yeah, we'll see you in the search bar.
Speaker 4: Have a good one, ye,