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I had a very good time with you 24 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:30.439 in the Portland event last year. We had a good 25 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.760 time our why he's met Yeah, which is I mean 26 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:36.280 not to say that I had low expectation, but this 27 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:38.159 is always nice. When you know your friends with someone 28 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.560 and your wives get along, right, it does make it 29 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:41.439 slightly easier. 30 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:44.719 I think that's like a critical part of kind of 31 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:48.280 the community feeling is having or things where you can 32 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:51.319 bring your wife to the events. And it's always been 33 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:53.640 kind of a challenge. In the early days of doing this, 34 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:56.599 that was a real challenge. My wife got by you 35 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:59.799 to a lot of dinners with some very strange Internet 36 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:01.879 peace and she was an excellent sport. 37 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:09.360 Yes, there have been similar occurrences. I won't tell tales 38 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:16.680 out of school. Yes, but you recently wrote a very 39 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:22.199 very good essay responding to this piece in Compact, right 40 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.479 the Lost Generation, which went about as viral as an 41 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:29.919 article really can. Obviously, i'll let you kind of summarize 42 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:31.639 your own remarks, but there were a couple of things 43 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:36.639 I thought we're interesting about that piece from Compact, because 44 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:41.159 if you've noticed, there have been several essays that have 45 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:45.479 taken talking points sort of from our spheres and adjacent 46 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:51.199 spheres and effectively republished them and laundered them through in 47 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:54.879 places like Compact Right, which is edgy enough but also 48 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:58.199 still respectable enough that you know, normal people are allowed 49 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:02.199 to read it. If you remember who wrote that, it 50 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:05.560 was honestly cribbing. That John Carter essay about feminization was 51 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:06.280 that Helen. 52 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:10.120 Roy Helen No, no, no, no, wrong, Helen. There's there's 53 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.800 uh my, that's my wife's. Also first name is Hellen. Two. 54 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:18.960 There's so many Helen's there was like but anyway, Helen 55 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:23.360 Helen Roy was a former right wing blogger who kind 56 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:25.520 of retreated from the scene. This is Helen Andrews. 57 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:29.039 Oh, I'm sorry, not Helen pluck Rose. 58 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:30.800 Either of hell no, no, yeah, that's that's. 59 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:38.439 All seriousness. We saw that same mechanism, right, taking a 60 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:42.560 complaint from the fringes, sort of bringing it into mainstream discourse. 61 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.639 In the instance of whichever Helen wrote that essay, it 62 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:50.960 was feminization, whereas in this Compact piece it was effectively 63 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.800 the dispossession of young white guys in America, and the 64 00:03:55.919 --> 00:04:00.439 article was sort of narrowly focused on certain creative fields. 65 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.280 The author i believe was a little bit older, he'd 66 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.759 had kind of a Hollywood job, but it was expressing, 67 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:09.479 you know, many of the same concerns our friends have, 68 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.719 and you wrote a very good essay in response to it. 69 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:13.639 I'll kick it to you. 70 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.079 Dave Well. I mean, this is the problem is that 71 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.720 I was. I got the inspiration for this essay during 72 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:22.480 when the article came out in December, and then my 73 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:25.439 family got super sick with this horrible flu this year, 74 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:27.879 and so it came out like a month late, and 75 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.360 everything's month behind. And I guess that it gave me 76 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:32.959 kind of two things. First of all, I couldn't say 77 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:34.959 what everyone else was saying about it, you know, I 78 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.800 kind of went over the general problem of the article, 79 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:40.879 but I added on some sort of the missing dimensions. 80 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:45.000 I felt that people weren't quite emphasizing the thing that 81 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:49.680 sets aside Savage's article. And again, he's not the first 82 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.560 person to write about this. We have Jeremy Carl who 83 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.759 wrote an entire book about this, and we have twenty 84 00:04:55.879 --> 00:05:00.759 years of articles from like the you know, the distancephere, 85 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:04.600 going all the way back to people like Vdair and 86 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:08.759 those other people who caught onto this stuff early. The 87 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.160 critical thing about the article from Savage's point of view 88 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:16.240 is that, a it was very well written to appeal 89 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:20.319 to a blue state PMC audience, professional manager, old class audience. 90 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.720 It was ideally suited to do that. The publication in 91 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.959 Compact was also perfect, because Compact is becoming the place 92 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:32.600 where it's like the confessional for the mendacity of our 93 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.639 ruling class. You go to Compact temt you were wrong 94 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:39.360 about something and get that into the mainstream, because you know, 95 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:41.759 the New York Times is not going to run this article, 96 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:47.120 neither is the Atlantic Monthly, but Compact will. And the 97 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:52.519 other thing is it kind of it started out as 98 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.279 being kind of something that Blue Staters could kind of 99 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:59.240 get on board with, but then it segued into just 100 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:04.240 a very oblique view of the eventual consequences of having 101 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:10.519 all institutional arrangements, especially in creative spheres, essentially closed to 102 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.519 an entire generation of young men. The New York Review 103 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.959 of Books, I believe this is Savage's previous article. It 104 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.680 I mean, most great writers that were highlighted from the 105 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:27.120 twentieth century were featured there. And you look back and 106 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:31.360 what I can't remember the exact statistic, but almost none 107 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:35.560 of our generation's men have been put forward by those 108 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:40.199 institutions for thirty years now, right, And it's the same 109 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:46.839 story everywhere in movies, in script writing, in university appointments, 110 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:52.120 and in increasingly in technology as well. All these leadership 111 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:58.160 positions are being essentially built into this preference system that 112 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:01.360 was initially presented as being kind of a minor change. 113 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.639 And Okay, you know, there's so many different angles of 114 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:09.759 this thing. The biggest question that everyone's trying to answer 115 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:14.000 is we've known about affirmative action forever. As a matter 116 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:17.839 of fact, when I was in high school my state, 117 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.519 California illegal though I wasn't even high school. I was 118 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:23.560 in I don't think I was even in junior high yet. 119 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:25.439 It was like ninety five or something like that. I 120 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.079 must have been I don't know, sixth grade or something. 121 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:32.120 I'm just guessing here, right, But they illegalized affirmative action 122 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:37.560 when I was very young in California. And since they've 123 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:42.720 had affirmative action illegal, they've essentially been able to completely 124 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:47.240 shut straight white male screenwriters out of Hollywood. How was 125 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:52.199 that possible? Right? And so the question really is how 126 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.959 did this happen? And the answer to how did this 127 00:07:55.040 --> 00:08:00.439 happened was a we don't live under the law as written. 128 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.519 We live under an administrative state where you can couch 129 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:09.160 things in different language and different decision making methodologies, so 130 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:14.240 that it's unclear who's doing what. This decision making apparatus 131 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:17.720 is very sensitive to things like the desire to diversify, 132 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.199 and furthermore, this is the real critical thing, the generational problem. 133 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.040 The baby boomers and the older gen xers were able 134 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.759 to diversify the institutions that they ran at no cost 135 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:34.080 to themselves. They came in and had full consideration during 136 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:38.200 their tenure for the work on its merits, and then 137 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.320 when they got into positions that were comfortable, they pulled 138 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.679 up the ladder after them and decided that they were 139 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.759 going to diversify at the expense of their children's generation 140 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:50.200 and really at the expense of their son's opportunities. I 141 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.480 think this falls a lot less heavily on white women, 142 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:58.960 although I'm sure they've had some disadvantages from this preference system. 143 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.679 It was really as them to exclude white males in particular, 144 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:06.039 because there's always a pretense to have more women in 145 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:11.919 these creative roles because they were historically underrepresented, and you know, 146 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:16.600 how does our civilization or society what's left of it, 147 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:20.600 tell the story of what happened here in a way 148 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:25.000 that is just not some kind of arch treachery. I 149 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:28.120 don't I don't know. I'm sure you know, the the 150 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:30.840 ruling classes is admitting to this now, they're admitting to 151 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:35.480 the fact that they essentially dispossessed a generation or two 152 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:41.039 of opportunities that should have been theirs. And the next 153 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:42.559 step is they're going to forget it. They're going to 154 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:44.879 forget about this, and the bureaucracy is going to continue 155 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:47.440 on as normal, and we're going to have to figure 156 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:52.360 out what the narrative is going forward. And I guess 157 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:55.480 it just shows you. I mean, it's it's it's too 158 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:57.360 late for the boomers at this stage. There's not going 159 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.679 to be a come to Jesus moment. They're they're well 160 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:06.399 passed retirement. The disposition has already taken place in many ways. 161 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:10.799 The reason why this article got popular was that it's 162 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:15.240 it's so advanced it's almost impossible to fix, and you know, 163 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:17.600 so they're not going to really be involved in this conversation. 164 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:20.120 But a sort of the last part of my article 165 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.720 was talking about the real conversation now has to go 166 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:28.600 on between millennials, especially older millennials like myself, and the 167 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.799 younger millennial slash Zoomer set that kind of caught. I mean, 168 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:35.519 we were all kind of caught in this preference scheme 169 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.919 at one part of our careers or the other, but 170 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:41.600 the Zoomers and the younger millennial young white men caught 171 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:44.720 the worst of it. And we're going to have to 172 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:49.080 find some way of talking about the task going forward 173 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:54.039 politically and culturally and find some kind of narrative that 174 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:57.639 works for us, because when you talk to zoomers online, 175 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.480 I don't know, there's a law of black pilling. There's 176 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.559 a lot of Doomerism, and there's there's a there's a 177 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:08.399 really big lack of mentorship too. You can tell with 178 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:12.120 the Zoomers more so than the millennials, even that there 179 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:15.399 are generation and men raised by women, and so it's 180 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.960 it's very hard to kind of talk people in that 181 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.320 position out of this kind of embracing their own despair 182 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.200 at a certain level. And I think that is you know, 183 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:29.399 we talk about we're in an age of a post 184 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:33.440 discourse age, Well, now this is an element of public 185 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.600 discourse that we need to explore and that we need 186 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:39.799 to develop tools to deal with how do we work 187 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.639 together as one people, as one unified society, as one 188 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:47.159 unified community in light of the fact that there's this 189 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:51.879 massive generational betrayal that we're kind of uncovering. Not that 190 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:53.440 we all didn't know about it already. 191 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.320 Yeah, there are several several aspects to that. 192 00:11:59.039 --> 00:11:59.399 Uh. 193 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:04.000 I've been sort of interested in the coverage coming from 194 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:08.960 Mark Mitchell, a guy behind resmuse and polls, and he's 195 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.360 been hammering away at this issue. And one of the 196 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.519 things that he says over and over and over again 197 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:18.559 is that in twenty twenty four, the most conservative people 198 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:21.559 in America are twenty year old white men. That is 199 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:26.799 no longer the case, hopefully that was, Yeah, and several 200 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:29.679 things there. One of the things that he points out 201 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:34.480 as this group right effectively young right wing men under 202 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:38.960 forty and we know this already, is incredibly radicalized. You know, 203 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.480 for instance, they're they're the most likely to say something 204 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.000 like that. You know, the judge James Boisburg, right, this 205 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:49.080 judge who's kind of continually coming up with ways to 206 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:52.639 block the Trump administration should be thrown in jail without 207 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:55.639 a trial. Right, something like that. The idea of you know, 208 00:12:55.840 --> 00:13:00.720 subverting or going around the judicial system apparently the most 209 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.720 in favor of dictatorship, things like that. And one of 210 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.000 the interesting things, and I've been writing and talking about 211 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:08.840 this for like the last six months because they can't 212 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:09.960 stop thinking about. 213 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:10.759 It, is. 214 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:18.320 This generational betrayal is obviously evident at kind of multiple 215 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:19.080 levels of culture. 216 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:19.279 Right. 217 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:22.840 You've mentioned entertainment, obviously the kind of other major industries, 218 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:26.600 but it's also happening within the conservative movement kind of 219 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:29.519 as we watch. So I thought one of the most 220 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:34.480 interesting conclusions that I've seen from both the whole woke 221 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:40.720 fright discourse and also the conversation around heritage. Right, I'm 222 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.799 sure you remember when heritage was put through this struggle session. 223 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:50.320 For oh yeah, the yeah that is. I thought that 224 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.120 was fascinating because I most my friends were Jewish growing up, 225 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.279 and so I've gone to a lot of Shappot dinners. 226 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:59.120 But it is amazing to see how it's used as 227 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:02.639 a political technol. But I'm sorry, go ahead. 228 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.639 But the conclusion to that, both the woke right discourse 229 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:10.200 and also the discourse around heritage is that you can't 230 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:14.879 trust the youth boomer you you know, kind of more 231 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:19.840 traditional conservative. They're poisoned, they're lost, cut them out, get 232 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.679 rid of them because they have been you know, made 233 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.799 ploys of and this is you know, their kind of 234 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.679 you know, Pepe Sylvia esque red string conspiracy, not mine, 235 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:35.639 but uh like Andrew Tait, Nick Fuentes connecting to the 236 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:40.559 woke right, which connects to Tucker Carlson Qatar, there's some 237 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.320 other you know, like ill defined nodes. 238 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:45.799 This is the giant list that James Lindsay had a 239 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:46.519 few months ago. 240 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:49.720 But to be honest, he's not the only one, right. 241 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:52.840 You see this from you know, Mark Levin, the people 242 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.120 who you know, we're putting heritage through that whole struggle session. 243 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.960 And look, I don't have any particular emotional attachment heritage, 244 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:02.440 just kind of an example to hand. But nonetheless, it's 245 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:06.720 almost it's the same mechanism, right. The idea that you 246 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:11.039 know there is that this within the conservative movement, right, 247 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.039 that this movement exists exclusively for, to be honest, people 248 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:21.360 older than millennials, and anyone outside of that group shouldn't 249 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.080 be trusted. It's sort of this odd inversion of you 250 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.799 know what the hippie said, right, don't trust anyone over thirty. 251 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.480 You know, the boomers have kept that exact same. 252 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.840 Mentality, don't trust anyone under forty. Yeah. 253 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:38.039 Well, do you see what I'm getting at there? Yeah, 254 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:39.279 I'm same dynamic within. 255 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:45.120 Yeah, I mean there, this is something that is I own. 256 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.279 This is the very unstable place that we are right now, 257 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:53.639 which is that the boomers are. They're kind of they're 258 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:59.480 very slowly coming to terms with their denial of the situation. 259 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.759 I mean, and they have a various copes that they 260 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:04.840 try to keep up the pretense, and like one of 261 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.919 those is like the woke right, So it's not this 262 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:10.759 is the greatest kind of cope that boomers have that 263 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.080 it's not reality that's red pilling people. It's this alternative 264 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:20.320 influencers network that is feeding all these bad ideas. And 265 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:23.600 you know, it's particularly good for the Red States set 266 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:28.440 because they've always believed that people were poet poisoning their 267 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:32.039 use minds, and because it was largely true, at least 268 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:36.399 in so far as university was concerned. But now not 269 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:40.200 only are people poisoning your kid's minds from the left, 270 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.759 are also poisoning your kid's minds from the right. The 271 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:48.480 problem with all of this again, is that I think 272 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:53.279 is slowly dawning on people over especially this last year 273 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:57.240 twenty twenty five was kind of a banner year for this. 274 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:03.120 The Boomer formulas that people like rodri Her or I 275 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:06.279 guess I probably should exclude David French, But let's say, 276 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:11.160 say like Glenn Beck and rodri Her and the people 277 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:15.640 from the Heritage Foundation that think that attending a Shabbat 278 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.759 dinner should be your price of admission for being a 279 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.400 conservative Catholic. For some reason, I have no idea why 280 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:30.319 these people have no coherent vision of the future for people, 281 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:34.519 at least people who aren't from a certain ethnicity that 282 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:41.079 they're very attached to. And because of that, you can 283 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.480 have an you can have sort of like a position 284 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:47.039 that these organizations come out with that sort of reads 285 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:51.200 well enough, these kind of cya positions about how the 286 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:54.240 world is. But once you get into extended conversations about 287 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.039 the actual issues and what people are asking for, it 288 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:03.519 immediately becomes indefensible. The entire conversation about Nick Fuentes was insane. 289 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.440 It was insane. I mean, you know, not to go 290 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.000 into their article, but we had this huge struggle session 291 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:15.839 about how we needed to excommunicate Tucker Carlson for talking 292 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:20.400 to Nick Fuentes. And then you know, immediately afterwards, Piers 293 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:23.640 Morgan is interviewing Nick Fuentes, you know, And and while 294 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.160 people are trying to cancel Tucker and cancel conservatives for 295 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.960 their affiliation with Nick Fuentes, you have the New York 296 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:36.359 Times doing like puff pieces on Hassan Piker, and you know, 297 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.279 specifically Ross douta who I kind of liked from the 298 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:42.640 New York Times, doing an interview that was somewhat critical 299 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:47.119 but also not remarkably different from the interview that Tucker 300 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.400 Carlson offered Nick Twentes. And the question here is, you know, 301 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.279 like you can you can. You can come out with 302 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.599 public statements, and you can come out with blog posts 303 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.799 that framed this in some kind of light where you 304 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.759 introduce all of these standards that are not very consistent. 305 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.000 But if you take these standards and just poke at 306 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:09.200 them a little bit, they immediately fall apart. You know, 307 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:11.039 I don't know, I could go on. There's so many 308 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.480 different dimensions of this you could. It's hardly James Lindsay 309 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:18.240 is like the perfect example, right, James Lindsay is really 310 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:20.480 good at creating these kind of or at least he 311 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:24.200 was really good at creating these kind of humiliating optical 312 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:27.559 moments for his opponents. And he spoke the Boomers language 313 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:30.440 very very well, and because of that he got a 314 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.640 huge following in the COVID years and just before the 315 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:37.200 COVID years. But the problem is is that the second 316 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.160 he tries to engage or answer hard questions from his 317 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.400 right flank, his narrative about how the world works just 318 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.359 kind of disintegrades in front of his eyes. He pull 319 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.079 the thread and it falls apart, almost cliche to say 320 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.839 this at this stage, but these characters from the right wing, 321 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:01.519 they cannot stop themselves from and I don't even really 322 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:04.920 care about this issue, they cannot stop themselves from just 323 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:11.960 gushing over the majesty, the heritage that the supreme collective 324 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:15.839 beauty of the Jewish people. There is no equal, there's 325 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:20.279 no gentile equivalent of that. In their imaginations, all other 326 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:25.480 gentile nations are purely propositional nations. They have no core ethnicity, 327 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.000 they have no right to exist. They exist simply as 328 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:32.240 a mechanism for making the GDP line go up. And 329 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.720 like everyone points us out, everybody points us out at 330 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:40.079 this stage, and and you know, even even the Peers 331 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:43.680 Morgan thing too, like by a generational disconnect, you have 332 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:47.920 you have Peers Morgan trying to the kind of the 333 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:52.039 moment was him him trying to he wasn't arguing against 334 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:54.200 Nick fant Is, He's kind of trying to shame him 335 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:56.759 with these optical moments. With that, Lindsay does like, I'm 336 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.680 going to associate you with Holocaust deniers. I'm going to 337 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:05.279 associate you with this man who I've brought who somehow 338 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:09.680 paradoxically had his parents die both in the Holocaust and 339 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:13.920 the Haltimore Like he double dipped right, Like sorry, I 340 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:17.440 don't know it's your podcast. I shouldn't speak so you reverently. 341 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.960 But I mean, all of these moments that are just like, oh, 342 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:24.039 don't you remember this element of the Boomer truth reghime, 343 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:27.359 let's relive that and get really upset about that, and 344 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:29.000 you don't want to be on the wrong side of that. 345 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.079 And it gets to the point where Piers Morgan is 346 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:36.160 shaming James Lindsay for not having pre marital sex, which 347 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:39.519 is you know, is this total inversion of the Boomer 348 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:42.640 shame mechanism, Like the whole story of the Boomer generation 349 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:45.240 was that we weren't going to have shame. We weren't 350 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.400 going to shame people for their sexual history. Okay, great, 351 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.519 so you know we all the Boomers fought fought, fought, fought, 352 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:54.799 fought to have the Catholic nun not be able to 353 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:58.200 shame you for having pre merdal sex. What so that 354 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:02.240 like a double divorce could shame a Catholic guy for 355 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:07.000 not having pre virital sex. Like it's crazy, and the 356 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:10.279 whole thing kind of disintegrates and you end up with 357 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:12.960 one side that has all of the power but just 358 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:17.400 no ability to frame a narrative that anybody would believe. 359 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:23.319 Oh, I mean one hundred percent, and you know, look 360 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:27.759 like I'm not like a fuends guy per se. He's 361 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:31.160 speaking to someone kind of different than me on multiple levels. 362 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:31.960 Uh. 363 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:35.960 But to be honest, I think that that was a 364 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:40.480 very that interaction he in Piers Morgan was sort of 365 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:43.920 emblematic of, you know, a wider transition, right because you 366 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:47.319 mentioned the fact that you know, Peers is adopting this 367 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:50.279 sort of hectoring tone, right, like the kind of school 368 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:54.359 mar right like how dare you? Which again only works 369 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.319 if there's some sort of common sense of value there, 370 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:00.279 and very clearly Nick Foann says in Peers more Gonna 371 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.000 have literally nothing in common morally, so why. 372 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:06.039 Would well they they on paper they do right on paper, 373 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:10.000 They're well, yes, on paper, Paris Morgan's obviously British, but 374 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:14.359 on paper they are both Catholic, I guess or something. 375 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:18.559 On paper, they both have conservative tendencies, although you know, 376 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:22.240 Peers Morgan's not very consistent, but in reality they have 377 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:27.240 none because there's no functional ability to shame each other 378 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:32.519 for transgressing some core value. 379 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.039 Well, and then I think the moment that's perhaps the 380 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:39.480 most interesting in that is and these are not my words. 381 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:42.920 Some have called this the invocation of the tactical Jew, 382 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:47.079 when Peers Morgan basically calls in, you know, lord Finkelstein, 383 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:49.440 as you know you mentioned earlier, to talk about his 384 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:54.640 family history, and when starts laughing at him again because 385 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:57.119 it is sort of absurd, you know, it's like, well, 386 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:01.319 you know, here's a guy, obviously. But the thing that 387 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.759 I found interesting about the story, and I've been following 388 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.839 this aspect perhaps more closely, I'll be honest, I did 389 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:09.799 not particularly enjoy that interview between the two of them 390 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:11.359 for my own reasons. 391 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:14.640 Well, it was this like one awkward moment after the other, right, 392 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:16.400 but it was it was kind Yeah, I just it 393 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:20.640 was an interesting historical artifact. I can we can acknowledge that, oh. 394 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.720 One hundred percent. I just uh, I'll put it this 395 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:25.640 way to get me through the whole thing and be 396 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:28.119 like eyes, like you'd have to like buy. 397 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:30.200 My eyes the clockwork orange method. 398 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:35.880 Yeah, just the deep second and social shame anyway, But 399 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:39.519 is that you know, Lord Finkelstein has sort of kicked off. 400 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:43.160 It's slightly subsided now, but for about six weeks a 401 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:46.759