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Speaker 2: Now very well welcome. This is Andy is two piece
Speaker 2: in the podcast today with a very disturbing story. It's
Speaker 2: happening to many older people out there toasa is Come on,
Speaker 2: she's talking about a mum. But first let's have a
Speaker 2: little old jingle. Yes, Therese has got a shocking story.
Speaker 2: I've not heard this and I like it this way
Speaker 2: because it's organic. Then it comes from the heart rather
Speaker 2: than preparing things. I think it's better that way. Terayse,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show and I'm side here at least
Speaker 2: a very small bit of your story.
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Andy, thanks for having us on and listening
Speaker 3: to what we've got to say. Do you want me
Speaker 3: to just start with a brief.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do a brief, a brief one for two three
Speaker 2: minutes and then I mean, if just be prepared that
Speaker 2: I may interrupt then ask a question, but normally, you know,
Speaker 2: to get the brief story out, I just remain quiet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay. Anyway, So my mom Joan Joan Instead
Speaker 3: was in a care home for a brief respite in
Speaker 3: November twenty twenty one, awaiting a car package simply to
Speaker 3: get into the shower. Whilst in the car home she
Speaker 3: had a man of fall backwards. An ambulance was cold
Speaker 3: and she went through the whole Horoyal Infirmary A and
Speaker 3: E department there was She was X ray, no fractures found.
Speaker 3: She was medically fit for discharge, but because she was
Speaker 3: awaiting a car package, they put her on sent her
Speaker 3: to a medically fit for discharge ward at the other
Speaker 3: hospital in the area, which is the Castle Hill Hospital.
Speaker 3: She was there for a couple of days. Everything was fine.
Speaker 3: She was laughing, joking, you know, drinking a coffee, chatting
Speaker 3: to her family on a mobile phone, which was very
Speaker 3: important to her. I was one of the designated visitors
Speaker 3: due to the back end of COVID. It was December
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and on the Tuesday I visited her
Speaker 3: and she choose her the twenty third of November. She
Speaker 3: was absolutely fine. I rang her on the evening and
Speaker 3: said good night. And there was an air of complacency
Speaker 3: on that ward because it was a medically fit for
Speaker 3: discharge board in my opinion. Fact but I'll say my
Speaker 3: opinion because obviously people do things. The nurses were lazy
Speaker 3: and complacent, and there was an international nurse employed on
Speaker 3: the ward without full training. It's not her fault. She
Speaker 3: wasn't trained properly. She was simply dropped on the ward
Speaker 3: and she was the nurse designated to get my mother
Speaker 3: into bed that night, to use a standing aid called
Speaker 3: the Sarah Study. Now the Sarah Study comes with obviously
Speaker 3: rules and regulations, and one of those is that it
Speaker 3: must be breaked. Patient gets up themselves onto the Sarah Study.
Speaker 3: But the international nurse came out my mother from behind.
Speaker 3: The Sarah Study wasn't breaked. So my mother went rolling
Speaker 3: through with it across the word floor, landed on a
Speaker 3: chest on top of it. And there's a big bar
Speaker 3: on the Sarah Study and my mother landed on the
Speaker 3: bar on a chest and it caused a blunt force
Speaker 3: troma fracture to the stainum. Now, within twenty minutes of
Speaker 3: this happening, my mother texted me and said, help me.
Speaker 3: I've been dropped. So I text my mother back and
Speaker 3: said what's happened? And then eventually I rang the ward
Speaker 3: and I said, what's going on? I was on the
Speaker 3: telephone for twenty nine minutes and seven seconds. Some nurses
Speaker 3: dispute this. They say they don't remember me ringing, whereby
Speaker 3: one of the nurses admitted she dropped. My mother had
Speaker 3: been dropped onto the ward law on top of this
Speaker 3: piece of equipment. I could earn my mother crying in
Speaker 3: the background. They assured me my mother was fine. So obviously,
Speaker 3: being medics, you believe what they say. So I text
Speaker 3: my mother and I said, ma'am, you're fine. The nurses
Speaker 3: say there are no fractures. You're absolutely fine. I could
Speaker 3: slay my mother crying in the background. Anyway, they took
Speaker 3: my mother off the ward that night because she was
Speaker 3: making so much noise crying, and they put her in
Speaker 3: a sideboard. So I rang the next morning at seven
Speaker 3: o'clock to ask how she was, and they said she'd
Speaker 3: been taking off the ward for making so much noise.
Speaker 3: And then obviously I went in the next day and
Speaker 3: my mother was just not her self. She couldn't breathe properly,
Speaker 3: she wasn't speaking properly, she wasn't interacting. She had a
Speaker 3: big lump on her chest. So this went on for
Speaker 3: the next few days, whereby the giving no care, no painkill,
Speaker 3: no imaging, no doctor care, nothing, absolutely nothing. She'd stopped eating,
Speaker 3: she'd stop drinking, and I was questioning, you know, my
Speaker 3: mother says she's got a frap. My mother said she
Speaker 3: felt a chest fracture. What you're going to do about it?
Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing. The next day one of the nurses obviously
Speaker 3: I can't say names, wrote a discharge letter for my mother,
Speaker 3: saying she was medically fit to go home, trying to
Speaker 3: get rid of her. Obviously we couldn't take her because
Speaker 3: she was awaiting a car package, and we were saying,
Speaker 3: you know, she's still poorly. Anyway, this went on for
Speaker 3: a few days, and she became more poorly and more poorly.
Speaker 3: She wasn't eating. A member of the catering staff pulled
Speaker 3: me aside on one of the visits and said, do
Speaker 3: something about your mother. She's not eating she's not drinking,
Speaker 3: get a doctor now, And I said, I've been trying,
Speaker 3: but they're ignoring me that. You know, they weren't answering
Speaker 3: the phone to me, They wouldn't speak to me. Eventually
Speaker 3: a doctor came along and he saw how Paulin my
Speaker 3: mother was getting because she was getting acquired hospital pneumonia
Speaker 3: obviously from the fracture, and this particular doctor ordered a
Speaker 3: CT scan without telling us, and it proved that my
Speaker 3: mother had a Sternham fracture. So she'd gone from the
Speaker 3: twenty third until the thirteenth of November what we the
Speaker 3: family called the no care period. Nothing happened, no help,
Speaker 3: no painkillers, no imaging, no oxygen. Oh sorry, we did
Speaker 3: get a little bit of oxygen. There was no care. No,
Speaker 3: she wasn't eating, she wasn't drinking. There was no interaction
Speaker 3: between the nurses and us. There was simply blanking us.
Speaker 3: So when they found out that she had a fracture, obviously,
Speaker 3: she was put on strong painkillers, antibiotics, and the pneumonia
Speaker 3: began to clear, she began to get better. They apologized
Speaker 3: for this particular doctor, We apologized for not scanning her earlier.
Speaker 3: And then another doctor came along who had written in
Speaker 3: the notes know for all this admission or you know,
Speaker 3: then he said exactly the opposite in words, and he
Speaker 3: prescribe my mother, which was inappropriate at the time, a
Speaker 3: long time burne health drug which was to be administered
Speaker 3: via infusion, which we thought was inappropriate at the time,
Speaker 3: but he insisted on it, and we thought at the time, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you know, it's trying to help. And he dithered in
Speaker 3: the notes about the dose. He was going from seven
Speaker 3: to five to fourmula gram. And then what happened was
Speaker 3: two doses were because of his incompetence, two doses were
Speaker 3: delivered to the ward. And it's called xdronic acid, and
Speaker 3: it carries a government health warning and there are mandatory
Speaker 3: tests that you're supposed to do before this drug is administered.
Speaker 3: And those mandatory tests went carried out. They used old
Speaker 3: blood tests for the values that did not stand on
Speaker 3: that day. So therefore you know that that messed up.
Speaker 3: At that point, two doses were delivered to the ward
Speaker 3: in my mother's name, and on the balance of probability,
Speaker 3: nobody can tell us where the second dose went on
Speaker 3: the balance of probability, and what happened thereafter with my
Speaker 3: mother's body. Two doses were infused into my mother, thereby
Speaker 3: giving her an overdose of the xondronic acid, and hours
Speaker 3: after the infusion a condition drops suddenly insignificantly, and within
Speaker 3: two days she was declared palliative, and five days after
Speaker 3: the infusion she died. Now there's a lot that goes
Speaker 3: on between this, regarding testing and not testing, and the
Speaker 3: pharmacy and the drug allocation and it's delivery to the ward.
Speaker 3: But the family can prove that two doses went to
Speaker 3: the ward in my mother's name. There's no system for
Speaker 3: a spare dose being accounted for. And given the fact
Speaker 3: that within hours after the infusion my mother was screaming
Speaker 3: in agony obviously with her you know, it killed the
Speaker 3: kidneys off and she went into type two recipe tri
Speaker 3: failure from the kidney function and she died a few
Speaker 3: days later. Now, there was a antidote they could have
Speaker 3: given known full well they'd overdoster, and that was calcium
Speaker 3: gluet tomate, and they failed to do that. It was
Speaker 3: just one big cover up after cover up after cover up,
Speaker 3: and the lengths these nurses went, the particular nurses, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying everybody, just the ones that were involved. The
Speaker 3: lengths they went to to cover this up are shocking
Speaker 3: and criminal. And we've you know, we eventually lost her
Speaker 3: a few days later, and it's been one big, one
Speaker 3: big fight after.
Speaker 2: At this point, we're doing it in stages. Then we'll
Speaker 2: get on to cover ups and post mortems. But at
Speaker 2: this stage, I mean, it does actually sound like I
Speaker 2: don't know, Yeah, I had to be that drug that
Speaker 2: probably killed her, but that shocked me a little bit.
Speaker 2: What shocked me even more than ten days of not
Speaker 2: given her any care at all after after what had happened.
Speaker 3: I mean it was it was five days of milk
Speaker 3: care and what.
Speaker 2: Happened also five days, you know what I mean? I mean,
Speaker 2: why are you screaming on a ward, missus? You know,
Speaker 2: it's not because she she says, had some nose to eat,
Speaker 2: or she's not got a TV on that she wanted.
Speaker 2: It's because she's in severe pain. You don't move somebody
Speaker 2: off a ward because you're in severe pain. You actually
Speaker 2: look after them, don't you. Even in the worst care setting.
Speaker 2: That is a basic you know, that is like given
Speaker 2: water to a dog when he's had no water. It's
Speaker 2: the basics.
Speaker 3: Well, like I've said in my complaints, and there's been
Speaker 3: a lot of that, it's coming up to folly now
Speaker 3: since you passed away, people who treat animals negligently end
Speaker 3: up in prison. These people are still working on the wads.
Speaker 3: These people are still walking free, and these people are
Speaker 3: free to do it to anybody else's mother, father, anybody
Speaker 3: who's vulnerable. Oh, simply cannot speak up for themselves and
Speaker 3: know that something has gone wrong. And it is shocking.
Speaker 3: And it's the cover up culture that killed our mother.
Speaker 3: And what started as a cover up has now become
Speaker 3: a scandal because they've got so deep into the lies.
Speaker 3: And I'll say allegedly, because these people come after you
Speaker 3: get they're so deeply embedded in the lies that there
Speaker 3: is no way out for them. They've got to continue,
Speaker 3: they have to continue the lie, and that is what's
Speaker 3: happening now. And they have employed every lawyer, solicitor, barrister
Speaker 3: to negate what happened to our mother. And that alone
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: So is it the I think I think you said
Speaker 2: cut in the moss, or is it the the hell
Speaker 2: NHS trust that's the problem here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's the hoof trust you, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: when sorry about that. When my mother was dropped, the
Speaker 3: trust was already under a CQC instruction for falls in
Speaker 3: the elderly, which is probably one of the reasons they
Speaker 3: didn't want to log the fact that my mother had
Speaker 3: been dropped because the c QC were already on their
Speaker 3: backs and obviously, you know, they don't want any more
Speaker 3: falls against their name.
Speaker 2: And you know, when I was younger, I in the way,
Speaker 2: we had two kids. We actually lived in forgotten the
Speaker 2: name of the area now anyway, it's Greatfield, that's it.
Speaker 2: We lived in Greatfield in all so and we went
Speaker 2: to the Greatfield surgery. Boy had a problem. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it was now, but yeah, some kind of Yes,
Speaker 2: it meningoit, it is actually he had men enjoyed symptoms.
Speaker 2: Now they left him saying nothing wrong. Parents are panicking.
Speaker 2: Twenty four hours later, it was rushed to hospital. I
Speaker 2: mean luckily that the hospital doctors said, you know that
Speaker 2: they neglected your son, and they sorted it out and
Speaker 2: he didn't die. So alive today, but it just shows
Speaker 2: you that you get some bad and some good. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's scary though, I mean.
Speaker 3: Well, what we're not saying. We're not saying everybody's bad.
Speaker 3: We're not saying that every elderly person goes into hospital
Speaker 3: and doesn't come out. But there are an awful lot
Speaker 3: of people that are failed by the NHS. It's not
Speaker 3: just our trust. It's happening down the country everywhere. And
Speaker 3: I really believe also that in some cases some families
Speaker 3: don't even realize that their elderly relative has lost their
Speaker 3: lives unnecessarily. You know what, we're pretty switched on family.
Speaker 3: We know exactly what's happened, we understand all the signs
Speaker 3: behind it, we understand the process. We're being able to
Speaker 3: call them out. And believe you me when I say
Speaker 3: the whole trust fear this family. Their fearers and the
Speaker 3: fearers for the knowledge and the evidence.
Speaker 2: Say they're not afraid of what they've done wrong in
Speaker 2: getting into trouble. They're afraid that you'll find out yourselves
Speaker 2: because once you know what they've done wrong, that they've
Speaker 2: got no leg to stand on. They could have the
Speaker 2: best barrister in the world and you know nothing they
Speaker 2: can't get away with that. Basically, NHS Trust isn't the
Speaker 2: worst ones going. I mean, they've made of food mistakes recently.
Speaker 2: You know, I've looked online and yeah, they're just sort
Speaker 2: of average people. But when it comes to what they've
Speaker 2: actually done in your case, is that one too much? Really?
Speaker 3: Well, nobody goes into hospital and has declared medically fit
Speaker 3: for discharge with no fractures and expects not to come out,
Speaker 3: and neither did the family. But it's it's the way
Speaker 3: that they've covered it up, and what became the hospital
Speaker 3: cover up quickly became across organizational collision with the other
Speaker 3: organizations involved, and that is the ICB, the police, and
Speaker 3: unfortunately we're now founding that the coronial system is involved.
Speaker 2: The cover up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, no one. And I also think there's a
Speaker 3: little bit in our case of they don't like being
Speaker 3: called out by a competent family. They don't like the
Speaker 3: fact that we know what happened. They don't like the
Speaker 3: fact that we understand, you know, all the blood tests,
Speaker 3: the imaging everything. They don't like the fact we understand
Speaker 3: the process. You know, we've called them out on so
Speaker 3: many policies that we've had them taffled up in meetings
Speaker 3: where they just sat looking at each other and it's
Speaker 3: embarrassing for them, you know, we did reach as far
Speaker 3: as the Chief Nursing Officer of England, De Ruth May.
Speaker 3: We got a meeting with her in London and we
Speaker 3: had one in Doncaster with her, and she believed all
Speaker 3: of our evidence. She believed how my mother died, and
Speaker 3: she actually commissioned two new investigations to be held. Unfortunately
Speaker 3: she then went on to immediately retire and those two
Speaker 3: investigations have never evolved. We've still got outstanding two serious
Speaker 3: incident investigations, one into another one into the death of
Speaker 3: my mother and another one into the behaviors and the
Speaker 3: integrity of the staff who carried out the original investigation
Speaker 3: from the ic B in York, and they've just sat
Speaker 3: dom and they're just refusing to do them. So you know,
Speaker 3: they go through phases. The start off nice, then they
Speaker 3: turn nasty, then they ignore and obviously we're now what
Speaker 3: they ignore phase where you know it's simply well how
Speaker 3: are you you know they think they're not answerable to anybody.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we've we've got to the top chief nurse
Speaker 3: and Officer of England and unfortunately her successor, Duncan Burton.
Speaker 3: I can name him because that is a fact. He
Speaker 3: is the chief Nursing Officer of England has refused to
Speaker 3: interact with the family and he said it's it's you know,
Speaker 3: nothing to do with him, you know, while he sits
Speaker 3: in his office and write silly little posters on what
Speaker 3: too through hundred grand a year. You know, we really
Speaker 3: have met the worst of the worst in the people.
Speaker 3: Apart from like I said, Dame Ruth May was excellent.
Speaker 3: She called out the first investigation that was done by
Speaker 3: the ICB, said it had no integrity and she was
Speaker 3: concerned about their behaviors. We've met police officers who would
Speaker 3: carried out the investigation into mother's unlawful death. Oh we've said,
Speaker 3: they believe all the evidence and it's spot on, but
Speaker 3: there's nothing they can do about it. So we've met
Speaker 3: individuals on a personal level that agree with us, but
Speaker 3: just are not prepared to stick the heads on the
Speaker 3: line now do anything about it, which then becomes cross
Speaker 3: organizational collision. And that's what we're experiencing now and it's
Speaker 3: shocking and you know, something has got to be done.
Speaker 3: Wes Street needs to be answering to the family. Meet us,
Speaker 3: tell us, tell us why this happened, says nobody's ever
Speaker 3: said sorry. Nobody's ever said sorry, And we've not gone
Speaker 3: on it for money. We've let the three year period elapse.
Speaker 3: We've not put a claiming. It's not about money for
Speaker 3: the family. It's about accountability, justice and learning going forward.
Speaker 3: And these people do not want to learn from their mistakes.
Speaker 3: They're not bothered about learning. They don't care about the
Speaker 3: next person that comes onto the ward and is failed.
Speaker 3: All they're bothered about is their reputation and stats and
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. They're not bothered about learning going forward.
Speaker 3: We offered ourselves up for learning. We'll come in and
Speaker 3: talk to nurses about you know, what happened with our
Speaker 3: mother and not being trained properly and speaking up for yourselves.
Speaker 3: They're not interested and they're not bothered. And as I said,
Speaker 3: the family people say, what is it you after money? No,
Speaker 3: we're not after money. We've not gone down that route
Speaker 3: at all. It's about an apology, admitting what you did,
Speaker 3: justice and learning going forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't believe they do that. So where's where's
Speaker 2: the police sort of covered this up and then explain
Speaker 2: about the you know, the postmartem the inquest, why has
Speaker 2: that been dragging them for four years?
Speaker 3: The doctor that ordered the CT scan. After she passed away,
Speaker 3: he said he was going to pass it to the coroner,
Speaker 3: the coroner for investigation, and the coroner passed it to
Speaker 3: cumbers Our police for a criminal investigation. Unfortunately we never
Speaker 3: got the criminal investigation. And I'm going to say I'm
Speaker 3: a legend now because obviously we don't trust anybody not
Speaker 3: to come after us, so I allow edge, although I
Speaker 3: know it's true because I've experienced it and it's happened.
Speaker 3: Police never investigated the desk properly. They never crammed it.
Speaker 3: There was never a crime number. It's not been crammed
Speaker 3: to home office procedures. We were simply led up the
Speaker 3: garden passed by the SiO in the case, who you know,
Speaker 3: made the right noises at the right time. So it's
Speaker 3: never been investigated. This staff were never interviewed as suspects.
Speaker 3: There weren't even interviewed as witnesses. We've found out one
Speaker 3: of the pre inquested hearings on the nineteenth of September
Speaker 3: just gone that the police actually only ever gave the
Speaker 3: staff a Q and a answer question sheet. So it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, watch your name where you know. So we've
Speaker 3: found out that we've been lied to again. In fact,
Speaker 3: the SiO senior investigative officer, we had a meeting with him,
Speaker 3: I think it was in January twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 3: it's that my mother had two postmotems because we called
Speaker 3: out the first one and another postmotem was done second one.
Speaker 3: And he's on a desk opposite me, and he looked
Speaker 3: me in the eye and he said, your mother's had
Speaker 3: your mother's been through two local chop shops, which I
Speaker 3: thought was absolutely disgusting for a serving police officer to
Speaker 3: say that to the Bery family two local chop shops.
Speaker 3: And to this day, after obviously lodging a complaint, there's
Speaker 3: been no apology to the family, nothing, absolutely nothing. So
Speaker 3: it continued and the case was closed in December twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, which aligned to the day with the day
Speaker 3: that the Serious Incident investigation was closed down by the ICB,
Speaker 3: and they all came up with the same result, suspicious.
Speaker 3: There was cross collusion between the ICB and the police
Speaker 3: all the way through the investigation, which they shouldn't have been.
Speaker 3: They've shared information, they've shared my evidence with each other.
Speaker 3: It's been an absolute sham and we've currently got numerous
Speaker 3: complaints lodged with Humberside Police. Obviously they're just sitting on
Speaker 3: them and you get a letter of it. So often
Speaker 3: they sit on it and the sit on it and
Speaker 3: they sit on it because the police themselves, there is
Speaker 3: no regulation the hospital police themselves, the ICB police themselves,
Speaker 3: and the police police themselves. There is no regulatory body
Speaker 3: that actually comes down on these people and helps victims
Speaker 3: such as my mother and the Bury family that's left
Speaker 3: the hand. We've been made out to be the criminals
Speaker 3: in all of this, not the other way around. So
Speaker 3: it's ongoing. We've still got the inquest to come, and
Speaker 3: it'll be four years after the death when the inquest comes.
Speaker 3: That's very very rare when they're saying that there was
Speaker 3: no shenanigans that went on, nothing untoward happened for an
Speaker 3: old ladies still not to have an inquest four years
Speaker 3: after the death with no death certificate. Obviously get an
Speaker 3: interim death certificate so that you can sort the financers out,
Speaker 3: but there's been nothing. You know, we've got no death certificate.
Speaker 3: My mom's not resting in peace and neither of the
Speaker 3: family would not grieve properly. It's fight after fight after fight,
Speaker 3: and it's been full on every single day for the
Speaker 3: last three and a half years up to where we
Speaker 3: are now. We're coming up to four years in December,
Speaker 3: where we've investigated, we've lent every policy, We've written hundreds
Speaker 3: and hundreds and hundreds of letters, and we're still not
Speaker 3: at peace with it.
Speaker 2: There's no point asking have you been to the MP
Speaker 2: because I've.
Speaker 3: Done that, you haven't done that. Diana Johnson is our
Speaker 3: local MP and she's also the police and minister. And
Speaker 3: basically she refused help. She didn't want to get a
Speaker 3: fingers dirty, she didn't want to stand up and be counted.
Speaker 3: So you know, obviously again I'll say they're all in
Speaker 3: it together. After we d had meeting with some of
Speaker 3: the NHS services, we got or I got solicitors letters
Speaker 3: from their solicitors denying me access to healthcare. I've had
Speaker 3: my on paper, I've had my health care removed because
Speaker 3: twice because I've continued with my complaint against the hospital.
Speaker 3: So how do you know in the country or gets
Speaker 3: the healthcare removed for simply standing up and being counted
Speaker 3: in the fact that they know how the mother was
Speaker 3: killed in the standing by it.
Speaker 2: Well, Well, do you know what of all the shows,
Speaker 2: of all the shows I've ever done, there's been people
Speaker 2: liked up in mental health for complaining about the health treatment.
Speaker 2: There's been people that have moved aboard or forced to
Speaker 2: move aboard, but never anybody denied hospital treatment because they've complained. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're the first.
Speaker 3: I can show you the two solicitous letters that I've got.
Speaker 3: One solicitor is cap Sticks in Leeds and the other
Speaker 3: one is Brown Jacobson, and they are both representing. Cap
Speaker 3: Sticks represent the trust and Brown Jacobson represent the ICB
Speaker 3: currently in quest in the coronial process and the tricks
Speaker 3: that they play. And I'm going to say allegedly again
Speaker 3: because again I don't trust these people. You know, we
Speaker 3: see every day where people are getting locked up for
Speaker 3: simply speaking the truth and speaking out. So everything I
Speaker 3: say is alleged simply to cover my own back, because
Speaker 3: you know, obviously we don't trust the system, and we
Speaker 3: don't trust the process, and we don't trust the people.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, you have to do that. But do you
Speaker 2: know what, when we finish this, we'll have a couple
Speaker 2: of minutes chat. I've got a few ideas because in
Speaker 2: previous cases I've helped. It has actually shocked the system
Speaker 2: and they've got answers, but it's whether you're willing to
Speaker 2: agree or not. But there's a few people listening. By
Speaker 2: the way, on YouTube Avan's Transport and Travel it says,
Speaker 2: sorry to hear that what you're going through, toys, that's
Speaker 2: an awful thing to happen. This is unlawful and hope
Speaker 2: you get just this same somebody else said anonymous. Some
Speaker 2: hospitals just now always moving people due to bed spaces,
Speaker 2: even if they're severely unwell. It's shocking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to add Andy also, just a matter
Speaker 3: of interest, my mom was also retired. Dogs are a
Speaker 3: nurse from the same hospital, and she gave her role
Speaker 3: to that job her absolute all. And this is how
Speaker 3: you know down the lane she was treated. She was
Speaker 3: treated like a dog on three occasions. I will add
Speaker 3: from a human point of view, which has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with the death, but it just shows how these
Speaker 3: animals in the hospital that are getting paid to do
Speaker 3: a job and look after our loved ones. And I
Speaker 3: call them animals because my mother died like an animal.
Speaker 3: She was begging to live and she was in agony
Speaker 3: on the three occasions I went in after that she'd
Speaker 3: been dropped, she was sat naked, and they were all
Speaker 3: just pastor. The disrespect to my mother was heartbreaking. Why
Speaker 3: should anybody have to see their elderly mother sat naked,
Speaker 3: crying for help with the fractured sternham that they'd caused,
Speaker 3: and they're walking backwards and forwards past the bed, ignoring her.
Speaker 3: I'd never seen my mother naked in her life ever.
Speaker 3: It absolutely broke my heart to see like that. It
Speaker 3: was disgraceful. And it's happening everything. It still happens now.
Speaker 3: I know it does. I know it's happening now. I
Speaker 3: just don't want anybody else to go through what my
Speaker 3: man went through. Nothing. I'll bring her back. You know,
Speaker 3: at the end, we couldn't even speak to because she
Speaker 3: was who distressed. The speech, couldn't even get a word soun.
Speaker 3: But she knew that that killed her. She left. She
Speaker 3: left a video saying she left us a video saying
Speaker 3: you know which nurse came at her? She described her
Speaker 3: perfectly and as she was dying, my mom never swore.
Speaker 3: Am I allowed to swear in context? I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Mhm, yes, I am. I just can't believe I'm here.
Speaker 3: Carry on, am I am? I allowed to use a
Speaker 3: swear word in context of what my mother.
Speaker 2: Said, because you know that everyone swears.
Speaker 3: Well as she was dying. She never My mom never swore,
Speaker 3: and you know, she wouldn't allow us to swear either.
Speaker 3: She knew that she'd been dropped, and she didn't know
Speaker 3: she'd been overdosed, obviously. She knew that the stand was fractured,
Speaker 3: and she knew they had caused it and left her
Speaker 3: without any care. She said that she was dying. Get
Speaker 3: the police. The bastards have killed me. She knew exactly
Speaker 3: what had happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from I mean going back to when she had
Speaker 2: the accident, So at least when she was dropped, would
Speaker 2: that would that alone? Because I'm not an expert on
Speaker 2: this either. I mean, I think the lethal injection killed her.
Speaker 2: But before that, wouldn't that have gave your chest? Well,
Speaker 2: he did give her chest problems, and so why the
Speaker 2: hell didn't they pick that up in five days?
Speaker 3: They knew, they knew what had happened, but you know,
Speaker 3: she had massive trauma injuries to a chest. And one
Speaker 3: of my brothers is helping with the investigation and he's
Speaker 3: done three D images of the CT scan, and he's
Speaker 3: found out that she had a lot of trauma to
Speaker 3: were a windpipe from it as well. She couldn't breathe properly,
Speaker 3: she couldn't swallow, she was she stopped eating, she stopped answering.
Speaker 3: A mobile phone and ma'mmm loved a little mobile phone,
Speaker 3: absolutely loved it. She was on it every day to
Speaker 3: all different members of the family. They knew exactly what
Speaker 3: had happened, and they knew she was suffering, but they
Speaker 3: knew it had gone to past the point of being
Speaker 3: able to turn the clock back and saying, well, this happened,
Speaker 3: so now we're going to treat her. They'd gone past
Speaker 3: that point. They'd already said nothing happened, so they had
Speaker 3: to he had they had to go with the lie. Allegedly,
Speaker 3: after that, they had to go with it because they
Speaker 3: knew that if they then admitted it, they've been trouble
Speaker 3: for not giving her any treatment. And obviously she deteriorated
Speaker 3: and got worse and she got hospital quite pneumonia. But
Speaker 3: it was the case her in staff that I knew
Speaker 3: she was poorly, I knew what had happened, but it
Speaker 3: was a catering staff who had also observed it on
Speaker 3: the inside of the hospital and said to me, for
Speaker 3: goodness sake, do something about your mother, and do it now.
Speaker 3: And she said it's through gritted teeth so that nobody
Speaker 3: heard her on the ward. And I said, I'm trying,
Speaker 3: but they're just ignoring me. Nobody would speak to me.
Speaker 3: Nobody would speak to me on the ward. They ignored me.
Speaker 3: I went and stood at the nurses station every time
Speaker 3: I visited to try and discuss it with them, and
Speaker 3: not one of them looked up from the nurses station.
Speaker 3: And we've been brought up to be polite, and I
Speaker 3: never interrupted. So what I did was I left the
Speaker 3: ward and thought, well, I'll ring when I get home.
Speaker 3: Never answered the phone, and if they did answer the
Speaker 3: phone after ten minutes, it was what do you want
Speaker 3: your mother's medically fit for discharge? And put the phone down.
Speaker 3: The rudeness and the attitude from the nurses was you
Speaker 3: wouldn't think there were nurses employed as nurses. Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: It was disgraceful.
Speaker 2: I think it's very simple, you know, if you know
Speaker 2: with many people have different opinions. But I think if
Speaker 2: one person had been like that, and you know, they
Speaker 2: missed something fair well, not fair enough, but you can
Speaker 2: live with that. But when many people tried to cover
Speaker 2: up something that happened, then you know, you need to
Speaker 2: fight until you die, because oh, well, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Until you know. It's had a physical effect on me.
Speaker 3: It's had a mental effect on me because I was
Speaker 3: I'm the next akin and I'm the one that obviously
Speaker 3: put the complaint into the hospital because I was one
Speaker 3: visiting or at the time shared with one of my siblings.
Speaker 3: Due to COVID on a couple of us was allowed in,
Speaker 3: so obviously we couldn't all palle in with the complaints.
Speaker 3: It had to be one designated family member, and it
Speaker 3: was me until I became really unwell with it earlier
Speaker 3: this year. You know, it's been done between me and
Speaker 3: my husband. Husband's spent every working hour learning the processes
Speaker 3: and you know, going to the meetings and everything. And
Speaker 3: now one of my other siblings is is picking up
Speaker 3: the baton and he's you know, and and he's taking
Speaker 3: it on as well. But we've got loads and los
Speaker 3: of evidence. We've got we've captured video recordings of the
Speaker 3: NHS Lion, the ICB Investigators Lion, We've got so much.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable, unbelievable, and the hospital are desperate to see
Speaker 3: our videos and that's why they've turned nasty because we
Speaker 3: you know, we keep saying we'll go public and the
Speaker 3: lord be published, and they're terrified, absolutely terrified of our
Speaker 3: evidence and they're doing. What what gets me is the
Speaker 3: lens they'll go to to cover it up, to cover
Speaker 3: up what happened, The employ lawyers and solicitors to attack
Speaker 3: me rather than just tell the truth.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, definitely ridiculous. Can I just give a quick
Speaker 2: just because we appreciate listeners, as someone called truth overlies
Speaker 2: and she's there saying it's despicable what's going on. Especially
Speaker 2: I don't understand this bit the roll out of the needlecraft.
Speaker 2: Suppose they mean the injections and then they're going to
Speaker 2: say the vanity of evil is such a resounding truth
Speaker 2: within mankind and most people don't think they're capable of
Speaker 2: evil acts, but they proved they're very much worth four
Speaker 2: or five years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, you wouldn't say think that there were.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying all of the nurses, there's only if
Speaker 3: you involved on the ward. There were some that really
Speaker 3: didn't want to get involved, but then again they won't
Speaker 3: speak up either, So you've got to question why won't
Speaker 3: you speak up? Some of the actions of those nurses
Speaker 3: to me a wisee and the worst criminal you can
Speaker 3: see on the street. You know, a lot of the
Speaker 3: a lot of the managers that we've met for meetings.
Speaker 3: You know, they come across as professional, they dress professionally,
Speaker 3: they drift nice cars, they live in nice houses. But
Speaker 3: believe you're me, I allege the criminals. You know, it
Speaker 3: is absolutely shocking, and there's simply paid just to cover
Speaker 3: it up, and it's happening all the time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just thinking now about the Lucy let
Speaker 2: Me case. You know, I know it's nothing to do
Speaker 2: with your case or even similar, but it does show that,
Speaker 2: you know, if one doctor makes a mistake, or even
Speaker 2: one nurse maybe you know, why would they go to
Speaker 2: that length to cover it up? And it just okay,
Speaker 2: that's a bit high profile. But there are other cases
Speaker 2: in mental health where people have committed suicide and I've
Speaker 2: even got them escape from them from the North Yorkshire Hospital,
Speaker 2: you know, by naming and shaming everybody involved. The lady
Speaker 2: escaped She then went on to have more problems because
Speaker 2: there was interrogating her house because she was complaining, and
Speaker 2: then they got her backing hospital and then she killed herself.
Speaker 2: But I just don't understand whether they go to that
Speaker 2: length to cover stuff up.
Speaker 3: Well, it's for protection of the organization, and sadly the
Speaker 3: organizations protect each other. We found that the police in
Speaker 3: our opinion, and I will allege, and I'm very careful
Speaker 3: about what I say because I don't trust any of them,
Speaker 3: you know, not to simply come and cut you off.
Speaker 3: They acted as errand boys for the Trust. You know,
Speaker 3: every time the Trust complained about me, the police are
Speaker 3: come poking the nose in sending me emails. You've said
Speaker 3: this to the Trust and you've said that it's back off.
Speaker 3: It's not your business. You get on with your job
Speaker 3: and let you know the cross communication and collusion between
Speaker 3: them all. What's wrong. It's wrong, is simply wrong. Your
Speaker 3: average man understand that does not stand a chance with
Speaker 3: these people in getting justice or accountability. You know, you
Speaker 3: just do not stand a chance. But I'm going until
Speaker 3: I'm no longer here, until I dropped down, whether it
Speaker 3: be tomorrow, in ten years, I want them to accept
Speaker 3: what they didn't want, an apology?
Speaker 2: Can I so to keep interrupting? Can I just read
Speaker 2: before I forget? Yeah? And this is from daughter to
Speaker 2: mum and I probably won't read it all, but I
Speaker 2: read most of it. It's heart wrenching. Dear ma'am, you
Speaker 2: left before your time whilst fighting to stay, but the
Speaker 2: choice was taken away from you, and that is hard
Speaker 2: to accept. I'm so proud of how you fought, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't a fight you could win. Ma'am. I made
Speaker 2: you a promise on that sad day and in the
Speaker 2: days proceeding, and that promise I made to you will
Speaker 2: be fulfilled. This will keep me going in my darkest
Speaker 2: hours where I'm longing and desperate to see you, when
Speaker 2: my phone no longer pings with your regular texts, when
Speaker 2: I can no longer call you or hear you the
Speaker 2: good night texts saying sleep well ty, when I no
Speaker 2: longer can wake up your path, walk up your path,
Speaker 2: hurry and see you through the window, sat there with
Speaker 2: your bubble hat on. You need to rest now, ma'am.
Speaker 2: You deserve peace and you'll find that now with Dad.
Speaker 2: He'll look after you and know you can resume your
Speaker 2: trips to the garden centers in the sky with your cappuccinos.
Speaker 2: I'm truly blessed you, my mam, and the memories of
Speaker 2: you as your treasure for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: Well hold dear, and never forget your love and commitment
Speaker 2: to our family. But it's your turn now, man to
Speaker 2: be looked after, So rest in peace and let Dad
Speaker 2: look after you. You. I mean that I don't normally get emotional,
Speaker 2: but you know they got me emotional before the show.
Speaker 3: That's just how it is, and that's that's exactly, and
Speaker 3: I had to put it in a way that the
Speaker 3: paper wouldn't accept. You know that I was actually saying
Speaker 3: somebody had killed her, and that's the best I could
Speaker 3: come up with, and every word is true from the heart.
Speaker 2: You know, that is time now you get a better justice.
Speaker 2: Let other people come up with ideas and you take
Speaker 2: a little bit of a back seat, and we'll get
Speaker 2: justice from one way or the other. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not an expert. I'm not promising things do go wrong,
Speaker 2: things do go right. But I always think that if
Speaker 2: you put pressure on people in a big way, because
Speaker 2: when you're on your own and a little family, or
Speaker 2: on your own, because some people on their own, these
Speaker 2: big people, they just they just rubbishy here. But when
Speaker 2: you're in a group or a big community, they tend
Speaker 2: to listen a bit more.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what some of the organizations have said to us,
Speaker 3: individual police officers, when they've got us sat in a
Speaker 3: room with us on their own. This your residence is
Speaker 3: spot on, it's believable, it's true. It had to. But
Speaker 3: you're not an organization. You're just little old you. So
Speaker 3: nobody's going to nobody's going to do anything about it.
Speaker 3: And you're right, we don't have the platform. We know
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. We're competent, we understand the processes, we
Speaker 3: understand what happened. We've got the timeline down to the
Speaker 3: seconds of who was were, who said, what did what?
Speaker 3: You know, who was involved. But we're not an organization.
Speaker 3: We are unrepresented. We don't have a lawyer for the
Speaker 3: inquest because that's you know, you could be talking five
Speaker 3: thousand pounds a day for a lawyer and we can't
Speaker 3: afford it. We are unrepresented, but we are competent, and
Speaker 3: that is what everybody's found in difficult with us. Hence
Speaker 3: the obstinas and the nastiness and the unlawfulness with them
Speaker 3: all were just little old does carrying on fighting. And
Speaker 3: what really I would like is if West Streeting would
Speaker 3: speak to us. I want to know why he's running
Speaker 3: a health service that takes people's loved ones from them
Speaker 3: without asking and without any accountability, and without any justification
Speaker 3: and without any justice. And I don't want anybody else's
Speaker 3: ma'm to go into hospital and be medically fit for
Speaker 3: discharge and not come out again. I got told the
Speaker 3: day after my man passed away. I rang the secretary
Speaker 3: of the ce oaks. I've been ringing air because they
Speaker 3: stopped going in the last couple of days before she
Speaker 3: did pass away, before we got back in as the
Speaker 3: saying it was down to COVID. It wasn't. It was
Speaker 3: to keep me out of the hospital because I knew
Speaker 3: what was going on. And I rang her and said
Speaker 3: I need to go and see my mam. And I
Speaker 3: rang the day after my man passed away, and I said,
Speaker 3: do you remember me asking to come in and see
Speaker 3: my man when you wouldn't let me come in? And
Speaker 3: she said, yeah, your mother is medically fit for discharge.
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with her. She didn't have a fractured sternum.
Speaker 3: So I said a name. I said, actually, my man
Speaker 3: passed away yesterday, and she just went silent and I
Speaker 3: put the phone down. And that's what we was dealing with.
Speaker 3: Not to mention the inconsistencies and stuff rubbish that they've
Speaker 3: come out with. The hospital referred to my man by
Speaker 3: a different name in the reports. The Coroner's referred to
Speaker 3: my ma'am as a man in the original interim death certificate.
Speaker 3: She was a man. She was a widower, she was divorced,
Speaker 3: which isn't true. My man was married for sixty years
Speaker 3: to my dad. When my dad passed away. All of
Speaker 3: these little things add up and her, Yeah, they all
Speaker 3: had the pain. We've had instances where they've said she
Speaker 3: passed away two weeks later than what she did. The
Speaker 3: incompetence is like a disease that runs through all of them.
Speaker 3: And I refer to them as a cult, a lot
Speaker 3: of them as a cult, because that is what they
Speaker 3: come across as. And their incompetence is shocking, unbelievable, and
Speaker 3: the way the treat the deceased is disgraceful. You know,
Speaker 3: to get a deceased lady's name wrong to say she
Speaker 3: was a man on the interim death certificate, the gender,
Speaker 3: to say she was widow, a widower, to say she
Speaker 3: was divorced. What are these people doing? Haven't we gone
Speaker 3: through enough? Aren't we going through enough? I miss my
Speaker 3: mum every single day of every minute of every single day.
Speaker 3: You know, I still text her phone and the message
Speaker 3: is still go through. I didn't get to say goodbye
Speaker 3: to my ma'am. She died in a poky, falthy little
Speaker 3: room in Castle Hill Hospital in Cottingham Hall, where the
Speaker 3: curtains were hanging off the window. There was blood on
Speaker 3: the floor. That was where my mom ended her life.
Speaker 3: And she deserves so much better than that. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'll say now until I'm no longer breathing, I will
Speaker 3: fight for justice for my mom. I don't go to
Speaker 3: these people and say tell me how she died. I
Speaker 3: go to these people and say I know how she died.
Speaker 3: You tell me why it happened. And that is what
Speaker 3: they don't like, because otherwise, if you go asking the questions,
Speaker 3: they can fill you in with any rubbish that suits them.
Speaker 3: So you know, we are fully prepared. We know exactly
Speaker 3: what happened, and I don't let up on them one inch,
Speaker 3: Absolutely not, because my mom deserved better than that, and
Speaker 3: in death she deserves justice and she deserves deserves to
Speaker 3: rest in peace. You know, it's it's you know, I
Speaker 3: took one of the meeting you know, I just say
Speaker 3: I did to one of the meetings we went to
Speaker 3: with the ICB, and something might learn a little bit
Speaker 3: from us if they were going through the same Don't
Speaker 3: accept the rubbish to come out with. Don't ask them
Speaker 3: for answers. You tell them what you know. You know,
Speaker 3: we went into one said meeting where there was supposed
Speaker 3: to be reading out the results of their serious incident
Speaker 3: investigation that was flawed and paused by Dame Ruth Mury.
Speaker 3: I took photographs of my mom in frames. My mom
Speaker 3: just a couple of months before she passed away, appears
Speaker 3: Larry fit, as fit as you like, in the garden center,
Speaker 3: and I put them all out on the table in front.
Speaker 3: Well did this square? Their managers on two three hundred grandee,
Speaker 3: did they is square? What have you done that far?
Speaker 3: I said, well, this is a world discussed and you
Speaker 3: might as well see what she looks like. It made
Speaker 3: them really uncomfortable, and that is the sort of thing
Speaker 3: people need to be doing. Remind them exactly that she
Speaker 3: was a person. She's somebody's mother, she was somebody's wife,
Speaker 3: she was her self, and none of them had the
Speaker 3: right to do what they did to her. Accidents happen.
Speaker 3: We accept that. You know, if the if the work
Speaker 3: trained to use the equipment, then you know, we would
Speaker 3: have accepted an accident happened. If they'd got her off
Speaker 3: the floor and set scandal immediately, they would have treated
Speaker 3: her and she would have lived, and she wouldn't have
Speaker 3: had the infusion because that wouldn't have happened. Just you know,
Speaker 3: admit what you've done. Don't leave elderly people in situations
Speaker 3: like that to rot and die in front of you.
Speaker 3: Did yes, sing Is. These nurses were walking past her
Speaker 3: every single minute of those days. They were walking past
Speaker 3: her and ignoring her. And it is shocking, absolutely shock him.
Speaker 3: And I don't want anybody to go through what she
Speaker 3: went through. Firstly, on what we're going through now, because
Speaker 3: you know, it's finished my life off. I'm not I'll
Speaker 3: never be happy again, never ever. I would rather she would,
Speaker 3: you know, should have died her own natural death. Whatever
Speaker 3: it was going to be, not at the hands of
Speaker 3: the very people paid to care and look after her
Speaker 3: and then go on to cover it up just to
Speaker 3: save their own scrowning eggs. So I'm here fighting to
Speaker 3: the end and day it's not. It's not the end
Speaker 3: for me yet.
Speaker 2: Well that have made you. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 2: any help I can give or suggest. I never do
Speaker 2: anything without people's permission, because there's no point doing a
Speaker 2: radio show if you're going to go against people, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm always here for good causes. And I
Speaker 2: mean I secretly do like the officials to, you know,
Speaker 2: admit what they've done wrong. And usually that that works
Speaker 2: good because they admit what they've done wrong. You get
Speaker 2: peace and happiness. Everyone's happy. It's when they do the
Speaker 2: cover ups, which isn't what we want, no, I mean.
Speaker 3: You know, cover ups are out and every single day
Speaker 3: it's path the course. Now it's the way this country works.
Speaker 3: And what starts as a cover up becomes a scandal.
Speaker 3: And I think, what's happened to my mother and what's
Speaker 3: happened thereafter as is the biggest scandal in this You
Speaker 3: wouldn't believe the amount of money the NHS and the
Speaker 3: ICB and the police have slung at lawyers to defend themselves.
Speaker 3: We've had three pre inquest hearings so far and the
Speaker 3: courtrooms full of lawyers, not ours because we can't fool
Speaker 3: The brief family just left to fend for themselves in
Speaker 3: the coronial court as well. And that's another fault of
Speaker 3: the system. You know, we're picked on in the in
Speaker 3: the coronial court because we're unrepresented. Yeah, the lawyers to
Speaker 3: the trust and the ICB and the police, they're treated
Speaker 3: like little tin gods. What they say goes, and the
Speaker 3: brief family just left. In fact, our last pre inquest
Speaker 3: here and explain this to me. The coroner had uniform
Speaker 3: police setting at the back. Why. I don't know why,
Speaker 3: no idea, And I asked him, I said, can you
Speaker 3: tell me why the uniform police sat at the back
Speaker 3: and he said for the protection of everybody in the court.
Speaker 3: I said, who you or us? And obviously they said then,
Speaker 3: So I said, well, none of my mother's family criminals.
Speaker 3: We've never been convicted. You know, we're all a lot
Speaker 3: about in citizens. I'll ask you again, why are uniform
Speaker 3: police sat at the back of the courtroom? And he said,
Speaker 3: officers stand up and leave the court.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, because I mean, I'm just thinking that
Speaker 2: they're probably not even calling your criminals. Maybe maybe what's
Speaker 2: going to happen is you're going to get upset and
Speaker 2: start talking the truth and disrupting the meeting. But you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have police there. I mean, the social worker maybe
Speaker 2: even what you call it a priest, but he certainly
Speaker 2: won't have the police there, would you.
Speaker 3: Well they did. Two uniform police officers sat at the back,
Speaker 3: happy as Larry sat there getting paid for just being
Speaker 3: sat in a comfy chair older. When there's criminals crime
Speaker 3: oppening on the streets, they could be better employed elsewhere.
Speaker 3: I'd rather be employed helping little old ladies cross the
Speaker 3: road safely than sat in the back of my you know,
Speaker 3: pre inquest hearing about my mom making people feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: That is the lens that go to to father there
Speaker 3: to tell themselves that they are right. You know, we
Speaker 3: are right because we've got to get the police in
Speaker 3: to sit in on this family. We are right because
Speaker 3: we're accusing the family of having ulterior emotives. What all
Speaker 3: terror motives? They're an absolute joke that which to me
Speaker 3: proves that they're all terrified of the truth coming out
Speaker 3: because the picking up so many lies allegedly, I'll say again,
Speaker 3: because I'm not having them come after me just to
Speaker 3: further their story that nothing happened. And by goodness, they've
Speaker 3: changed their story so many times. You could write a
Speaker 3: book on how many times they've changed their story. The
Speaker 3: families has never changed and it never will change it
Speaker 3: because it's the truth and it's actually what happened, with
Speaker 3: no need to change it. You know, I've got phone records.
Speaker 3: I've recorded calls, We've recorded teams meetings that they didn't
Speaker 3: know about. And then obviously we've got what you do
Speaker 3: in that phone recording. Well, I was recording in my
Speaker 3: own home, and it's for the benefit of the greater public.
Speaker 2: So that's the word. That's the word. It's for the
Speaker 2: for the benefit of justice and the public because you're
Speaker 2: allowed to do that. You don't even have to tell
Speaker 2: them you recording, even in public, and long as there's
Speaker 2: a reason, a good one.
Speaker 3: It was in my own home. We're not tech savvy,
Speaker 3: we're getting on a bit. We're not young. You know,
Speaker 3: you could even say we pressed the wrong buttons on
Speaker 3: the laptop, but we hadding even not to send an
Speaker 3: email until my man passed away.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fortunately, our team's recorded meetings with the Integrated Airboard
Speaker 3: or with the investigators of the series incident captured some
Speaker 3: caucus of lies allegedly and also captured one of the
Speaker 3: investigators having a full blown meltdown on my husband raging
Speaker 3: at him. She was, By goodness, you should have seen
Speaker 3: her face when I told her it was recorded. That
Speaker 3: was worth its weight in gold. It really was. So Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you know, if you can't beat them, join them.
Speaker 3: It's for the if at the public. If I can
Speaker 3: stop one other elderly person being treated like my mom
Speaker 3: was treated and losing the life, then my mom would
Speaker 3: be proud of me. And that's you know, that's why
Speaker 3: I've got to continue. We don't break the law. We
Speaker 3: won't break the law. We're not We're not a criminal family.
Speaker 3: I don't need to break the law to get my
Speaker 3: truth out there. But we all know the way this
Speaker 3: country is going, and you can't speak the truth, you'll
Speaker 3: get locked up for telling the truth that. I'm not ashamed.
Speaker 3: I know what they did to my mom. I'm not
Speaker 3: ashamed of it, but I am also aware of what
Speaker 3: these people are capable of. But I feel so strongly
Speaker 3: about what happened to my mom that I don't want
Speaker 3: it to happen to anybody else. I don't want anybody
Speaker 3: else to suffer like she did. You know, I see
Speaker 3: little old ladies in supermarket. I used to take around
Speaker 3: supermarket regularly, and it breaks my heart when I see
Speaker 3: him with the middle aged or you know, getting on
Speaker 3: a bit daughters, and I stand there and I think
Speaker 3: that was me with mamam. I hope the old man
Speaker 3: don't go through what my mom did. And it's feasible
Speaker 3: because the incompetence is there and the crack on it's
Speaker 3: to do with funding. It's not to do with funding.
Speaker 3: The hospitals are funded adequately. It's how to spend that funding.
Speaker 3: It's how the fundings distributed, and a lot of it
Speaker 3: goes in the manager's pockets. Absolutely, the people that we've
Speaker 3: met on you know, upwards of hundred two hundred grand
Speaker 3: for sitting there making stories up allegedly and covering up death.
Speaker 3: That's where the money goes. You know, it don't, it
Speaker 3: doesn't go where it's supposed to go. It's just shocking.
Speaker 3: And I made a promise to me, ma'am on that day,
Speaker 3: like like I wrote, and I will see it through.
Speaker 3: I will still be asking questions, writing letters, calling out
Speaker 3: what seems to be calling out the coroner now until
Speaker 3: either somebody like West streeting fans out Dinah Johnson wasn't interested.
Speaker 3: Shame on Hair, the labor counselor from my area. Shame
Speaker 3: on Hair. But never mind. I don't need Dinah Johnson.
Speaker 3: I can speak for myself. You know, we've just got it.
Speaker 3: I would love to be able to get this information
Speaker 3: to West Street and and him do something about it,
Speaker 3: just to be believe miracles.
Speaker 2: I think God will help in some way, whoever our
Speaker 2: God is. You know, you may have a different God
Speaker 2: to mine, but I'm pretty certain he's got ways.
Speaker 3: Well oh nos, yeah, you have no you know, a
Speaker 3: whistle blower might come forward when it gets to inquest
Speaker 3: because at the minute the inquest is scheduled for aft Christmas.
Speaker 3: We've had the pre hearing in quest. We've had three
Speaker 3: of those and they've been quite traumatic. But the lawyers
Speaker 3: for the said organizations are currently fighting not to have
Speaker 3: certain people there. Obviously, the people that are culpable surprise, surprise,
Speaker 3: so that's going to be interesting. So anybody who was
Speaker 3: interested in, you know, what's gone on, more than welcome
Speaker 3: to coming at the inquest. I don't believe it's to
Speaker 3: the public. The last three have been pretty interesting in
Speaker 3: the in the fact that the family are not concerned
Speaker 3: one iota, not calling out the coroner, so much so
Speaker 3: that the first one recused himself. I just stood up,
Speaker 3: I said, I've got zero faith in you because of
Speaker 3: his instruction. Letters to the experts were, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: allegedly pre loaded, uh, very very concerning. So we fear nobody.
Speaker 3: We fear We don't fear titles. We don't fear your position.
Speaker 3: Nobody's better than anybody else. If you died and you
Speaker 3: paid to do a job, then do your job properly.
Speaker 3: That's all I ask. I don't care if you called Sarah.
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're a professor. I don't care
Speaker 3: if you sit up higher than us in the in
Speaker 3: the coroner's court and tell us that whatever you say goes,
Speaker 3: and if you want to shoot us down, you will
Speaker 3: do you know, tell us to be quiet when you
Speaker 3: hold your hand up. I don't care. You're a human
Speaker 3: being the same as I am and if you respect me,
Speaker 3: I'll respect your back. If you don't, and you know
Speaker 3: you don't get the respect back, spear as I'm gone sound.
Speaker 3: And we've seen that all the way through, you know,
Speaker 3: because if you're.
Speaker 2: Fair and you want the truth, you know you'll be
Speaker 2: a good person. That don't matter what you look like,
Speaker 2: what your title is. You know, yeah, it's the truth
Speaker 2: in it. At the end of the day, we're fighting
Speaker 2: for the truth.
Speaker 3: Don't with us, It doesn't wash with me. I don't
Speaker 3: care that it calls himself professor. I don't care that
Speaker 3: he comes in and says his word goes just you know,
Speaker 3: treat us with respect, and you know, we'll all have
Speaker 3: a mutual respect for each other. And we've not We've
Speaker 3: not seen any respect at all. We've been treated disgracefully.
Speaker 3: You think it was a criminal court, the way that
Speaker 3: it's the colonial process is going at the minute.
Speaker 2: And the shocking that not one person, even if it
Speaker 2: wasn't official in a letter or an email, you know,
Speaker 2: they didn't actually personally say look, I'm very sorry what happened,
Speaker 2: you know, blah blah blah, But that would have helped.
Speaker 3: No, we've had we've had no medical underwriting in the
Speaker 3: complaint response. There was no medical underwriting in it. The
Speaker 3: complaint response from the trust wasn't even signed by anybody,
Speaker 3: so it could have come from the guy. Would you know,
Speaker 3: enter's the bins because it wasn't signed by anybody. The
Speaker 3: lack of process employed towards my family in the the
Speaker 3: investigations and the responses again has been shocking. They just
Speaker 3: make the rules because they go along. No medical underwriting
Speaker 3: or signing, nothings. There's been blood tests written into the
Speaker 3: medical records that were there before by hand. There's been
Speaker 3: records omitted, records not rectified. Your name it. It's happened
Speaker 3: to us. Everything you couldn't write. What's happened to us.
Speaker 2: What makes me laugh a little bit as well, which
Speaker 2: kind of isn't funny. But your local MP, or your
Speaker 2: local counselor Diana Johnson, she was recently in previous jobs
Speaker 2: Minister for State of Crime. You would have thought at
Speaker 2: least she would have listened.
Speaker 3: She was the police Crown Commissioner. She did a team's
Speaker 3: meeting with us and her face didn't crack. There wasn't
Speaker 3: an ounce of sympathy, empathy, nothing. Yeah, she said she'd
Speaker 3: have a meeting with somebody from the ICB. She didn't
Speaker 3: help us at all, not one little bit. She could
Speaker 3: have cracked the police for us. She could have come
Speaker 3: down heavy on the police and said, you know, stop
Speaker 3: reading this family up the garden path. Nothing. Absolutely, she
Speaker 3: said she couldn't get involved. So you know, she's lost
Speaker 3: my respect, uttling completely. Maybe we'll go to a opposition
Speaker 3: and see if they're interested in the story. No, it's
Speaker 3: all these like I said, all these people that appeared
Speaker 3: in a position of prominence or they're elected into a
Speaker 3: position to help people such as us to you know,
Speaker 3: give us a platform to get justice. Not one of
Speaker 3: them has helped us. Nobody. And it's not because we're
Speaker 3: not telling the truth. And it's not because it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: It's because their fear that it is so damning, the
Speaker 3: truth is so bad. They don't want to admit it
Speaker 3: and they don't want to get involved. They're scared. They're
Speaker 3: all running scared. The BBC aren't interested. Again, they wouldn't
Speaker 3: touch us with a barge pole. You know, they're more
Speaker 3: interested in them. When the telegraph poles are going up
Speaker 3: in a certain area. You know, they don't.
Speaker 2: That's quite funny because I know a guy that lives
Speaker 2: near home and he's saying that on these telegraph poles,
Speaker 2: they're putting all these five G things on them. But anyway,
Speaker 2: sorry about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody's really interested in human interest stories where people
Speaker 3: are dying, and people are dying every single day. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: you know, certain news outlets or touch certain things like
Speaker 3: somebody got fed the wrong food in hospital, they've got
Speaker 3: week car instead of peace the wor touch on somebody
Speaker 3: who was killed like my mother, and all the shocking
Speaker 3: happenings around it. It's it's the way it's going. It's
Speaker 3: like that for a lot of people. No.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Look, we've had a good hour and I think
Speaker 2: your story is amazing and I'll do everything in my power.
Speaker 2: And I do know a few people in media, whether
Speaker 2: they listen or that, and I know a few people
Speaker 2: in parliament. You know. Again, it just it only needs
Speaker 2: one person to say, look, you know, we'll look into it,
Speaker 2: and I can. I can try. I can't promise nothing,
Speaker 2: but if I close the show now after your last words,
Speaker 2: and then I have a quick chat with you to
Speaker 2: see if you if I can help in other ways,
Speaker 2: because I'm more ways than the official channel.
Speaker 3: That sounds good.
Speaker 2: Remember we're god faring people with truth and honest we
Speaker 2: do anything wrong, We only do the truth based on
Speaker 2: the evidence we have between us.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we don't need to do anything wrong if you've
Speaker 3: got the truth, dear, And like I keep saying to everybody,
Speaker 3: we are not criminals. We just know the truth and
Speaker 3: that's it. That's all we know is the truth, and.
Speaker 2: The truth will set you free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and I hope the truth doesn't give other
Speaker 3: families the pain that we've got.
Speaker 2: Then the last thing I'll say is rest in peace, Joan.
Speaker 2: You've got a lovely daughter and family and she will
Speaker 2: do what she says.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. There's not just me, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of us. She's got six kids, my mum and my
Speaker 3: role fighting for her. She was a good man, she
Speaker 3: was a good person. She was hard worker and she
Speaker 3: would have given every individual who has failed for our
Speaker 3: last penny. You know, on the street, she would have
Speaker 3: helped any one of them. And they treated her like
Speaker 3: they did. Shocking.
Speaker 2: And when when the NHS does or do listen, We
Speaker 2: don't know which the police, the car or anything. You know,
Speaker 2: just do your job, be a human being be honest,
Speaker 2: do it properly and help this family.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's like you say, until it happens to them,
Speaker 3: it's not happening. When things go wrong for their families
Speaker 3: with an organization or whatever, they'd be shouting from the rooftops.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: One of the police officers who I spoke to earlier
Speaker 3: on this year, he said to me, he said, I
Speaker 3: really admire you. I said, I don't want you to
Speaker 3: admire me. I want you to do the right thing
Speaker 3: and investigate my mum's death and give it a GRAM
Speaker 3: number and pulling the people responsible and interview them properly.
Speaker 3: And he said, you've got balls, You've got the biggest
Speaker 3: balls I've ever met. I said, I don't want to
Speaker 3: hear that. I just want you to do job properly.
Speaker 3: So they think they're giving you something by giving you
Speaker 3: what they perceive as a compliment, but it's not. I
Speaker 3: just want you to do with job properly. That's all.
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