WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.879 Dive into the world of truth and transparency with two 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:06.559 p's in a podcast with global guests and dynamic discussions 3 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:10.960 explore the topics mainstream media won't cover. Join Andy Peacher 4 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:14.679 from Scotland and author Timothy Spearman from Canada and be 5 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:17.280 part of the conversation. Email us to be our guest. 6 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:21.399 Freedom Talk Radio twenty thirteen at gmail dot com. Visit 7 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:25.280 freedom talk Radio online dot com your gateway to unfiltered 8 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:26.760 conversations and insight. 9 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.679 Now very well welcome. This is Andy is two piece 10 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:34.679 in the podcast today with a very disturbing story. It's 11 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:42.719 happening to many older people out there toasa is Come on, 12 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.240 she's talking about a mum. But first let's have a 13 00:00:45.280 --> 00:01:06.280 little old jingle. Yes, Therese has got a shocking story. 14 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:09.200 I've not heard this and I like it this way 15 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:12.840 because it's organic. Then it comes from the heart rather 16 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:16.640 than preparing things. I think it's better that way. Terayse, 17 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:21.319 welcome to the show and I'm side here at least 18 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:23.159 a very small bit of your story. 19 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:27.640 Okay, thanks Andy, thanks for having us on and listening 20 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.280 to what we've got to say. Do you want me 21 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:32.760 to just start with a brief. 22 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.519 Yeah? Do a brief, a brief one for two three 23 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:42.000 minutes and then I mean, if just be prepared that 24 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:46.120 I may interrupt then ask a question, but normally, you know, 25 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:48.599 to get the brief story out, I just remain quiet. 26 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:54.560 Yeah, that's okay. Anyway, So my mom Joan Joan Instead 27 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.200 was in a care home for a brief respite in 28 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:03.799 November twenty twenty one, awaiting a car package simply to 29 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.400 get into the shower. Whilst in the car home she 30 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:10.719 had a man of fall backwards. An ambulance was cold 31 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:18.520 and she went through the whole Horoyal Infirmary A and 32 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:24.719 E department there was She was X ray, no fractures found. 33 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:27.400 She was medically fit for discharge, but because she was 34 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.280 awaiting a car package, they put her on sent her 35 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:33.319 to a medically fit for discharge ward at the other 36 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:37.159 hospital in the area, which is the Castle Hill Hospital. 37 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.120 She was there for a couple of days. Everything was fine. 38 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:47.599 She was laughing, joking, you know, drinking a coffee, chatting 39 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:49.719 to her family on a mobile phone, which was very 40 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:55.039 important to her. I was one of the designated visitors 41 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:57.560 due to the back end of COVID. It was December 42 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:03.919 twenty twenty one, and on the Tuesday I visited her 43 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.319 and she choose her the twenty third of November. She 44 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:10.520 was absolutely fine. I rang her on the evening and 45 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:13.840 said good night. And there was an air of complacency 46 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:15.759 on that ward because it was a medically fit for 47 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:21.080 discharge board in my opinion. Fact but I'll say my 48 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:26.280 opinion because obviously people do things. The nurses were lazy 49 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:34.840 and complacent, and there was an international nurse employed on 50 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.680 the ward without full training. It's not her fault. She 51 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.039 wasn't trained properly. She was simply dropped on the ward 52 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:46.120 and she was the nurse designated to get my mother 53 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.400 into bed that night, to use a standing aid called 54 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:54.000 the Sarah Study. Now the Sarah Study comes with obviously 55 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.199 rules and regulations, and one of those is that it 56 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:03.960 must be breaked. Patient gets up themselves onto the Sarah Study. 57 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.680 But the international nurse came out my mother from behind. 58 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.639 The Sarah Study wasn't breaked. So my mother went rolling 59 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:14.719 through with it across the word floor, landed on a 60 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.839 chest on top of it. And there's a big bar 61 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:21.720 on the Sarah Study and my mother landed on the 62 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:24.920 bar on a chest and it caused a blunt force 63 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:29.160 troma fracture to the stainum. Now, within twenty minutes of 64 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:33.120 this happening, my mother texted me and said, help me. 65 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.959 I've been dropped. So I text my mother back and 66 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:42.680 said what's happened? And then eventually I rang the ward 67 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:45.839 and I said, what's going on? I was on the 68 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:49.680 telephone for twenty nine minutes and seven seconds. Some nurses 69 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:54.600 dispute this. They say they don't remember me ringing, whereby 70 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.839 one of the nurses admitted she dropped. My mother had 71 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.920 been dropped onto the ward law on top of this 72 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.279 piece of equipment. I could earn my mother crying in 73 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.279 the background. They assured me my mother was fine. So obviously, 74 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:11.720 being medics, you believe what they say. So I text 75 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:14.800 my mother and I said, ma'am, you're fine. The nurses 76 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.600 say there are no fractures. You're absolutely fine. I could 77 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:22.360 slay my mother crying in the background. Anyway, they took 78 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.120 my mother off the ward that night because she was 79 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.199 making so much noise crying, and they put her in 80 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.639 a sideboard. So I rang the next morning at seven 81 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:36.680 o'clock to ask how she was, and they said she'd 82 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.120 been taking off the ward for making so much noise. 83 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.480 And then obviously I went in the next day and 84 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.879 my mother was just not her self. She couldn't breathe properly, 85 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:51.199 she wasn't speaking properly, she wasn't interacting. She had a 86 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:55.040 big lump on her chest. So this went on for 87 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:59.959 the next few days, whereby the giving no care, no painkill, 88 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:05.720 no imaging, no doctor care, nothing, absolutely nothing. She'd stopped eating, 89 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:10.639 she'd stop drinking, and I was questioning, you know, my 90 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:12.639 mother says she's got a frap. My mother said she 91 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.920 felt a chest fracture. What you're going to do about it? 92 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:21.160 Absolutely nothing. The next day one of the nurses obviously 93 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:26.879 I can't say names, wrote a discharge letter for my mother, 94 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.079 saying she was medically fit to go home, trying to 95 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.720 get rid of her. Obviously we couldn't take her because 96 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.319 she was awaiting a car package, and we were saying, 97 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:39.759 you know, she's still poorly. Anyway, this went on for 98 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.480 a few days, and she became more poorly and more poorly. 99 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:47.000 She wasn't eating. A member of the catering staff pulled 100 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.720 me aside on one of the visits and said, do 101 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.439 something about your mother. She's not eating she's not drinking, 102 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:55.120 get a doctor now, And I said, I've been trying, 103 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:58.199 but they're ignoring me that. You know, they weren't answering 104 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.639 the phone to me, They wouldn't speak to me. Eventually 105 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.560 a doctor came along and he saw how Paulin my 106 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:12.199 mother was getting because she was getting acquired hospital pneumonia 107 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:17.360 obviously from the fracture, and this particular doctor ordered a 108 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:21.120 CT scan without telling us, and it proved that my 109 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:24.800 mother had a Sternham fracture. So she'd gone from the 110 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:30.839 twenty third until the thirteenth of November what we the 111 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.680 family called the no care period. Nothing happened, no help, 112 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:40.839 no painkillers, no imaging, no oxygen. Oh sorry, we did 113 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.120 get a little bit of oxygen. There was no care. No, 114 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.920 she wasn't eating, she wasn't drinking. There was no interaction 115 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.839 between the nurses and us. There was simply blanking us. 116 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.079 So when they found out that she had a fracture, obviously, 117 00:07:56.120 --> 00:08:04.160 she was put on strong painkillers, antibiotics, and the pneumonia 118 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:10.160 began to clear, she began to get better. They apologized 119 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:14.639 for this particular doctor, We apologized for not scanning her earlier. 120 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:19.600 And then another doctor came along who had written in 121 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.720 the notes know for all this admission or you know, 122 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.759 then he said exactly the opposite in words, and he 123 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:29.839 prescribe my mother, which was inappropriate at the time, a 124 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:33.320 long time burne health drug which was to be administered 125 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:38.440 via infusion, which we thought was inappropriate at the time, 126 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:42.159 but he insisted on it, and we thought at the time, oh, well, 127 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:48.960 you know, it's trying to help. And he dithered in 128 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:53.200 the notes about the dose. He was going from seven 129 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:58.679 to five to fourmula gram. And then what happened was 130 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:05.519 two doses were because of his incompetence, two doses were 131 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.279 delivered to the ward. And it's called xdronic acid, and 132 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.360 it carries a government health warning and there are mandatory 133 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.840 tests that you're supposed to do before this drug is administered. 134 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:21.879 And those mandatory tests went carried out. They used old 135 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:27.919 blood tests for the values that did not stand on 136 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:35.559 that day. So therefore you know that that messed up. 137 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.320 At that point, two doses were delivered to the ward 138 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:44.039 in my mother's name, and on the balance of probability, 139 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:47.799 nobody can tell us where the second dose went on 140 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.600 the balance of probability, and what happened thereafter with my 141 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.879 mother's body. Two doses were infused into my mother, thereby 142 00:09:55.559 --> 00:10:01.759 giving her an overdose of the xondronic acid, and hours 143 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:07.679 after the infusion a condition drops suddenly insignificantly, and within 144 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.720 two days she was declared palliative, and five days after 145 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:16.960 the infusion she died. Now there's a lot that goes 146 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:24.720 on between this, regarding testing and not testing, and the 147 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:31.080 pharmacy and the drug allocation and it's delivery to the ward. 148 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.320 But the family can prove that two doses went to 149 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:38.919 the ward in my mother's name. There's no system for 150 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:42.840 a spare dose being accounted for. And given the fact 151 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:49.919 that within hours after the infusion my mother was screaming 152 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:55.480 in agony obviously with her you know, it killed the 153 00:10:55.559 --> 00:11:00.159 kidneys off and she went into type two recipe tri 154 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:06.679 failure from the kidney function and she died a few 155 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:11.320 days later. Now, there was a antidote they could have 156 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:16.440 given known full well they'd overdoster, and that was calcium 157 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:19.840 gluet tomate, and they failed to do that. It was 158 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:24.320 just one big cover up after cover up after cover up, 159 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.720 and the lengths these nurses went, the particular nurses, I'm 160 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:32.240 not saying everybody, just the ones that were involved. The 161 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:37.000 lengths they went to to cover this up are shocking 162 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:42.279 and criminal. And we've you know, we eventually lost her 163 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:45.320 a few days later, and it's been one big, one 164 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:46.240 big fight after. 165 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:51.240 At this point, we're doing it in stages. Then we'll 166 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:55.720 get on to cover ups and post mortems. But at 167 00:11:55.720 --> 00:12:01.840 this stage, I mean, it does actually sound like I 168 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.159 don't know, Yeah, I had to be that drug that 169 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:10.120 probably killed her, but that shocked me a little bit. 170 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:12.440 What shocked me even more than ten days of not 171 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:16.480 given her any care at all after after what had happened. 172 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:18.720 I mean it was it was five days of milk 173 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:19.279 care and what. 174 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:22.120 Happened also five days, you know what I mean? I mean, 175 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:26.720 why are you screaming on a ward, missus? You know, 176 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.279 it's not because she she says, had some nose to eat, 177 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.799 or she's not got a TV on that she wanted. 178 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:37.879 It's because she's in severe pain. You don't move somebody 179 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:40.679 off a ward because you're in severe pain. You actually 180 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.000 look after them, don't you. Even in the worst care setting. 181 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.440 That is a basic you know, that is like given 182 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.559 water to a dog when he's had no water. It's 183 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:53.440 the basics. 184 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.960 Well, like I've said in my complaints, and there's been 185 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.320 a lot of that, it's coming up to folly now 186 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:05.679 since you passed away, people who treat animals negligently end 187 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:08.720 up in prison. These people are still working on the wads. 188 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:12.200 These people are still walking free, and these people are 189 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.879 free to do it to anybody else's mother, father, anybody 190 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.360 who's vulnerable. Oh, simply cannot speak up for themselves and 191 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:25.200 know that something has gone wrong. And it is shocking. 192 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:28.120 And it's the cover up culture that killed our mother. 193 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.360 And what started as a cover up has now become 194 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:37.159 a scandal because they've got so deep into the lies. 195 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.840 And I'll say allegedly, because these people come after you 196 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:47.799 get they're so deeply embedded in the lies that there 197 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:49.720 is no way out for them. They've got to continue, 198 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:52.639 they have to continue the lie, and that is what's 199 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:58.159 happening now. And they have employed every lawyer, solicitor, barrister 200 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:04.000 to negate what happened to our mother. And that alone 201 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:04.360 to me. 202 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.279 So is it the I think I think you said 203 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.440 cut in the moss, or is it the the hell 204 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.320 NHS trust that's the problem here. 205 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:18.039 Yeah, it's it's the hoof trust you, Yeah, I mean 206 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:25.200 when sorry about that. When my mother was dropped, the 207 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:28.480 trust was already under a CQC instruction for falls in 208 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.080 the elderly, which is probably one of the reasons they 209 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.919 didn't want to log the fact that my mother had 210 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.480 been dropped because the c QC were already on their 211 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:42.240 backs and obviously, you know, they don't want any more 212 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:44.159 falls against their name. 213 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:51.200 And you know, when I was younger, I in the way, 214 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:56.679 we had two kids. We actually lived in forgotten the 215 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:02.519 name of the area now anyway, it's Greatfield, that's it. 216 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:07.039 We lived in Greatfield in all so and we went 217 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.919 to the Greatfield surgery. Boy had a problem. I don't 218 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:16.080 know what it was now, but yeah, some kind of Yes, 219 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:19.720 it meningoit, it is actually he had men enjoyed symptoms. 220 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:25.120 Now they left him saying nothing wrong. Parents are panicking. 221 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:29.840 Twenty four hours later, it was rushed to hospital. I 222 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:36.000 mean luckily that the hospital doctors said, you know that 223 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.279 they neglected your son, and they sorted it out and 224 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:42.840 he didn't die. So alive today, but it just shows 225 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:46.519 you that you get some bad and some good. But yeah, 226 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:48.720 it's scary though, I mean. 227 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.120 Well, what we're not saying. We're not saying everybody's bad. 228 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:57.759 We're not saying that every elderly person goes into hospital 229 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:00.159 and doesn't come out. But there are an awful lot 230 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:02.960 of people that are failed by the NHS. It's not 231 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.519 just our trust. It's happening down the country everywhere. And 232 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.919 I really believe also that in some cases some families 233 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:13.480 don't even realize that their elderly relative has lost their 234 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:18.200 lives unnecessarily. You know what, we're pretty switched on family. 235 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.720 We know exactly what's happened, we understand all the signs 236 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:25.480 behind it, we understand the process. We're being able to 237 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:27.960 call them out. And believe you me when I say 238 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:32.000 the whole trust fear this family. Their fearers and the 239 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.799 fearers for the knowledge and the evidence. 240 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:38.000 Say they're not afraid of what they've done wrong in 241 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:42.919 getting into trouble. They're afraid that you'll find out yourselves 242 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.320 because once you know what they've done wrong, that they've 243 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:47.480 got no leg to stand on. They could have the 244 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:54.000 best barrister in the world and you know nothing they 245 00:16:54.000 --> 00:17:00.919 can't get away with that. Basically, NHS Trust isn't the 246 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:05.759 worst ones going. I mean, they've made of food mistakes recently. 247 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.640 You know, I've looked online and yeah, they're just sort 248 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.799 of average people. But when it comes to what they've 249 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:17.200 actually done in your case, is that one too much? Really? 250 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:21.960 Well, nobody goes into hospital and has declared medically fit 251 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.720 for discharge with no fractures and expects not to come out, 252 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.960 and neither did the family. But it's it's the way 253 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.559 that they've covered it up, and what became the hospital 254 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:37.960 cover up quickly became across organizational collision with the other 255 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:43.640 organizations involved, and that is the ICB, the police, and 256 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:48.839 unfortunately we're now founding that the coronial system is involved. 257 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:52.400 The cover up. 258 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.720 Yeah, absolutely, no one. And I also think there's a 259 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.599 little bit in our case of they don't like being 260 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.559 called out by a competent family. They don't like the 261 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:04.359 fact that we know what happened. They don't like the 262 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.920 fact that we understand, you know, all the blood tests, 263 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:12.319 the imaging everything. They don't like the fact we understand 264 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:16.200 the process. You know, we've called them out on so 265 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:20.319 many policies that we've had them taffled up in meetings 266 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:22.599 where they just sat looking at each other and it's 267 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:28.000 embarrassing for them, you know, we did reach as far 268 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:30.680 as the Chief Nursing Officer of England, De Ruth May. 269 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:33.640 We got a meeting with her in London and we 270 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:38.440 had one in Doncaster with her, and she believed all 271 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.920 of our evidence. She believed how my mother died, and 272 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:47.119 she actually commissioned two new investigations to be held. Unfortunately 273 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:50.240 she then went on to immediately retire and those two 274 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:54.720 investigations have never evolved. We've still got outstanding two serious 275 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:58.319 incident investigations, one into another one into the death of 276 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:02.720 my mother and another one into the behaviors and the 277 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:06.799 integrity of the staff who carried out the original investigation 278 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:10.680 from the ic B in York, and they've just sat 279 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:14.480 dom and they're just refusing to do them. So you know, 280 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.480 they go through phases. The start off nice, then they 281 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.000 turn nasty, then they ignore and obviously we're now what 282 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:24.960 they ignore phase where you know it's simply well how 283 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:28.960 are you you know they think they're not answerable to anybody. 284 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.839 So yeah, we've we've got to the top chief nurse 285 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:38.319 and Officer of England and unfortunately her successor, Duncan Burton. 286 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:40.839 I can name him because that is a fact. He 287 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.359 is the chief Nursing Officer of England has refused to 288 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:48.000 interact with the family and he said it's it's you know, 289 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:51.119 nothing to do with him, you know, while he sits 290 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.240 in his office and write silly little posters on what 291 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:56.880 too through hundred grand a year. You know, we really 292 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.559 have met the worst of the worst in the people. 293 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.759 Apart from like I said, Dame Ruth May was excellent. 294 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:07.440 She called out the first investigation that was done by 295 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:11.480 the ICB, said it had no integrity and she was 296 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:16.200 concerned about their behaviors. We've met police officers who would 297 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:20.799 carried out the investigation into mother's unlawful death. Oh we've said, 298 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.640 they believe all the evidence and it's spot on, but 299 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:26.480 there's nothing they can do about it. So we've met 300 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.799 individuals on a personal level that agree with us, but 301 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:34.039 just are not prepared to stick the heads on the 302 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:42.279 line now do anything about it, which then becomes cross 303 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:48.039 organizational collision. And that's what we're experiencing now and it's 304 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:50.880 shocking and you know, something has got to be done. 305 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:54.400 Wes Street needs to be answering to the family. Meet us, 306 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:58.799 tell us, tell us why this happened, says nobody's ever 307 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:02.640 said sorry. Nobody's ever said sorry, And we've not gone 308 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.039 on it for money. We've let the three year period elapse. 309 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:09.079 We've not put a claiming. It's not about money for 310 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:15.839 the family. It's about accountability, justice and learning going forward. 311 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.839 And these people do not want to learn from their mistakes. 312 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.519 They're not bothered about learning. They don't care about the 313 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:25.960 next person that comes onto the ward and is failed. 314 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.799 All they're bothered about is their reputation and stats and 315 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:35.359 that sort of thing. They're not bothered about learning going forward. 316 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:37.960 We offered ourselves up for learning. We'll come in and 317 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.759 talk to nurses about you know, what happened with our 318 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.200 mother and not being trained properly and speaking up for yourselves. 319 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:47.680 They're not interested and they're not bothered. And as I said, 320 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:50.279 the family people say, what is it you after money? No, 321 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:53.599 we're not after money. We've not gone down that route 322 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:58.799 at all. It's about an apology, admitting what you did, 323 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.799 justice and learning going forward. 324 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:15.680 Yeah. I can't believe they do that. So where's where's 325 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:19.039 the police sort of covered this up and then explain 326 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:23.519 about the you know, the postmartem the inquest, why has 327 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:25.839 that been dragging them for four years? 328 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:35.160 The doctor that ordered the CT scan. After she passed away, 329 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.000 he said he was going to pass it to the coroner, 330 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:45.000 the coroner for investigation, and the coroner passed it to 331 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:51.759 cumbers Our police for a criminal investigation. Unfortunately we never 332 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:54.519 got the criminal investigation. And I'm going to say I'm 333 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:58.160 a legend now because obviously we don't trust anybody not 334 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.200 to come after us, so I allow edge, although I 335 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:03.440 know it's true because I've experienced it and it's happened. 336 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:08.039 Police never investigated the desk properly. They never crammed it. 337 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.359 There was never a crime number. It's not been crammed 338 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:16.000 to home office procedures. We were simply led up the 339 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:22.720 garden passed by the SiO in the case, who you know, 340 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:28.680 made the right noises at the right time. So it's 341 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:33.799 never been investigated. This staff were never interviewed as suspects. 342 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.119 There weren't even interviewed as witnesses. We've found out one 343 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.119 of the pre inquested hearings on the nineteenth of September 344 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.400 just gone that the police actually only ever gave the 345 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:48.079 staff a Q and a answer question sheet. So it's like, 346 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:52.359 you know, watch your name where you know. So we've 347 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:57.559 found out that we've been lied to again. In fact, 348 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:03.160 the SiO senior investigative officer, we had a meeting with him, 349 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.279 I think it was in January twenty twenty four, and 350 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:09.240 it's that my mother had two postmotems because we called 351 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:12.880 out the first one and another postmotem was done second one. 352 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:16.799 And he's on a desk opposite me, and he looked 353 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:18.359 me in the eye and he said, your mother's had 354 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.519 your mother's been through two local chop shops, which I 355 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:27.279 thought was absolutely disgusting for a serving police officer to 356 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.759 say that to the Bery family two local chop shops. 357 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:35.200 And to this day, after obviously lodging a complaint, there's 358 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:41.599 been no apology to the family, nothing, absolutely nothing. So 359 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:47.200 it continued and the case was closed in December twenty 360 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:51.440 twenty four, which aligned to the day with the day 361 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:55.200 that the Serious Incident investigation was closed down by the ICB, 362 00:24:55.640 --> 00:25:00.000 and they all came up with the same result, suspicious. 363 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:05.880 There was cross collusion between the ICB and the police 364 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:09.240 all the way through the investigation, which they shouldn't have been. 365 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:16.799 They've shared information, they've shared my evidence with each other. 366 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:22.880 It's been an absolute sham and we've currently got numerous 367 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:27.240 complaints lodged with Humberside Police. Obviously they're just sitting on 368 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:29.240 them and you get a letter of it. So often 369 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:31.240 they sit on it and the sit on it and 370 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.559 they sit on it because the police themselves, there is 371 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:39.039 no regulation the hospital police themselves, the ICB police themselves, 372 00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:43.839 and the police police themselves. There is no regulatory body 373 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:49.480 that actually comes down on these people and helps victims 374 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.880 such as my mother and the Bury family that's left 375 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.960 the hand. We've been made out to be the criminals 376 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.519 in all of this, not the other way around. So 377 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:04.079 it's ongoing. We've still got the inquest to come, and 378 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:10.960 it'll be four years after the death when the inquest comes. 379 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.920 That's very very rare when they're saying that there was 380 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:18.480 no shenanigans that went on, nothing untoward happened for an 381 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:20.920 old ladies still not to have an inquest four years 382 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:24.240 after the death with no death certificate. Obviously get an 383 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:28.079 interim death certificate so that you can sort the financers out, 384 00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:32.400 but there's been nothing. You know, we've got no death certificate. 385 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.200 My mom's not resting in peace and neither of the 386 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:39.359 family would not grieve properly. It's fight after fight after fight, 387 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.519 and it's been full on every single day for the 388 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.200 last three and a half years up to where we 389 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.519 are now. We're coming up to four years in December, 390 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:55.079 where we've investigated, we've lent every policy, We've written hundreds 391 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:58.799 and hundreds and hundreds of letters, and we're still not 392 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:00.880 at peace with it. 393 00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:05.160 There's no point asking have you been to the MP 394 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.440 because I've. 395 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:14.559 Done that, you haven't done that. Diana Johnson is our 396 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.720 local MP and she's also the police and minister. And 397 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.359 basically she refused help. She didn't want to get a 398 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:24.680 fingers dirty, she didn't want to stand up and be counted. 399 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:31.880 So you know, obviously again I'll say they're all in 400 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:36.799 it together. After we d had meeting with some of 401 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:41.599