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Speaker 1: Live. This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 2: Hello, cat friends, Welcome to cat tud I'm your show

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host Michelle Fern. So us cat lovers. You know, we

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love our cats, but then they get old. We wonder

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do they have arthritis? So they just slowing down? Is

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my cat getting lazy? Why isn't she running around anymore?

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Or if maybe they were never that energetic and you

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want them to be energetic. Well, my guest today has

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a lot of answers for us, so I cannot wait

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to introduce you to her. So stay tuned. We'll be

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right back.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk pets on Petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome doctor Kelly Fishman.

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She is the founder of Strutanimal Mobility Specialists. Welcome doctor Kelly.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Michelle. I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you. So one of the

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things that we always worry about with our cats is

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that they're stoic creatures, right, so it's hard to tell

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when something's going on, and as they age, they hide

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their pain, so you don't know what's going on. So

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how did you come to specialize in this? And then

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we'll get into, you know how maybe some ideas of

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how we can tell what's going on with our cat.

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But how did you come to find animal mobility specialists?

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Speaker 6: So it all started off in vet school when I

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actually thought it'd be a cat specialist veterinarian and I

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was vice president of the cat club and I organized

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this event where the vetinary acupuncturist came down and we

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all had to bring our cats in. And of course

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we're all in the cat club and I have two

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kiddies at a time, and we bring them all in

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and she's going to show us how she acupunctures cats.

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And it's this sterile room with high top metal tables

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and all these little nervous kitties in their carriers and

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she just kind of pulls them out one by one,

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puts acupressure needles in them, and the entire room of

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cats just like goes to sleep.

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Speaker 5: I was like, Wow, that's really cool.

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Speaker 6: What is this magic that she's doing acupuncture and it

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works in cats?

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 6: You know, I didn't even know, I mean know it

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worked in people and maybe dogs, but you know, kitties.

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So I then wanted to go above cats and just

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understand how we could use things aside from pain medication

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to help make animals feel better. And those things are

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you know, acupuncture, cold laser therapy, massage, gentle chiropractic, or

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physical therapy exercises to build strength and body awareness. Because

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of that, I went into what's called animal physical rehabilitation,

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and that's the science of you know, making animals were

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in pain physically feel better. Okay, yeah, you're so, You're

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right about kiddies with hiding stuff, you know, gosh, like

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they hide pain. There are little predator and praise species.

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As we are taught in vet school, you know, so

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being a predator to a small mice and things like that,

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they're certainly top dog, but they're also prey animals, so

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they love to hide pain.

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Speaker 5: You're right.

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Speaker 2: I had my own situation with how while they hid pain.

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I didn't even realize it because Dennis was my first

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cat and he found me and he ended up with

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having crystals in his urine. So, and it was so bad.

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I had no idea. It was so bad that one

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place I brought him said oh, he's gone, forget it,

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just put him down and I said, I will not.

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I took him out of there and went to another

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vet and they had to do a surgery. It was

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a whole big thing. Dennis's part main coon. Everybody loved him,

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and you know, he was two, he's about I think

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he's fifteen now, So I mean that was a surgery situation.

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But that just goes to show I had no idea

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he was in pain. At one point he made some

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little like owl sounds, you know how they have chirpy

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sounds sometimes. Yeah, but I had no idea. Yeah, it's serious.

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So it's just even if you're in tune with your cat.

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So I was a new cat pet parent. But even

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if you're in tune with your cat, it's hard to

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tell what they're hiding, really hard.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so hard.

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Speaker 6: And I think, you know, when I think about pain

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and cats, it's really about changes and behavior, and those

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are really hard to tell because those are seen over time.

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of watch out for and then my own cat was

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actually showing me this weekend is perching on the edge

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of the litter box to use the litter box or

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any kind of litter box change in behavior, and most

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cat parents know that that's a big red flag. But

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even just wanting to use the litter box in a

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slightly different way, like cats are such creatures that habit.

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you know, in a certain place and use it in

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a certain way. And when anything changes, that's a really

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good way to start being you know, attention to things,

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and and that thing could be again, in general, signs

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of pain. You're in a bladderstone's, it could be arthritis,

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it could be constipation, you know, inability to like want

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to pee or kind of be blocked, so so many

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different ways. But yes, it's really these subtle changes in behavior,

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and those are hard to notice because we're busy. Our

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kiddies are mostly sleeping during the day and maybe doing

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some play, so it's hard to really track.

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Speaker 2: So how do you notice these slight changes?

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Speaker 6: So I think it's tough because I don't have an

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easy answer for that. It's a little bit easier when

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I'm thinking about arthritis, which is that's the one that

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I have experienced with. Every one of my cats has

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had arthritis. And actually we're learning now that sixty one

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percent of six year old kiddies have arthritis, and we

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have no idea. And then when they get to ten

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or eleven, which is considered a senior, it's ninety percent.

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That is a huge number that it shocks me. But

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then I look at my cats and at that age,

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they're all showing signs of arthritis pain, and what are

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those signs?

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Speaker 2: Look how far we've come. We're recognizing arthritis and our

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cats all turn into ways of treating pain. This would

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be on the horizon as something to think about even

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five years ago.

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Speaker 5: No it wasn't.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing that's getting exciting is, you know,

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some of the pain, like we didn't have really good

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ways to treat pain medically. So you know, cats like

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they don't love to be medicated, you know, so we

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have some good options.

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Speaker 2: Really hard. Okay, yeah, let's go back to what you

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were saying. So with arthritis and cats, the only thing

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I could think of. So my cats were never jumpers,

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you know, they were not climbers. But I noticed that

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Molly hesitates when she does a little jump, even it's

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small jump. I'm thinking that might be arthritis.

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Speaker 5: Does that sound right?

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Speaker 6: Or that's absolutely arthritis, that's absolutely arthritis. So that that's

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actually what my little Sophia did. And she would do

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the same thing where she would just do micro jumps.

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So she wanted to get to the table, so she

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would jump from the chair to the higher chair to

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the table, or she would when she wanted to use

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a cat tree, she would go instead of jumping to

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the third rung, she'd go up little steps or jump

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to the couch to get up there.

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Speaker 5: And it was arthritis.

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Speaker 6: She had it in her little actually in her little pause,

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which actually made nail trims really difficult.

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Speaker 5: She was always good with them and then.

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Speaker 6: Got bad with them later in life because she got arthritis.

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In her little feet, So absolutely right, that's one of

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the big signs. The other one is not grooming as much.

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So a lot of times they'll just be rooms. You'll

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look down in your kitty and be like, why is

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their coat not as good? Or why are they leaving

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litter on their paws? Like cats like to be clean,

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you know, and that could be a sign that they're

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not wanting to bend down and be as fastidious as

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a groomer and grooming. And then also the other thing

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is just coming up and down stairs in different ways.

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one of my kiddies used to always walk upstairs and

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then he started a bunny hop up and that was

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a big sign that he had arthritis in his hips

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that I was also not aware of.

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Speaker 2: I guess as long as we're somewhat aware, they do

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give us some hints. We just have to know what

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to look.

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Speaker 6: For, yes, exactly, And we had to kind of we

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had to pay attention, you know. And that's it's like

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I said, I wish I had an easy way to

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do it, you know, certainly when we're thinking about cat pain,

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if your cat is not grooming as well, if they

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are hesitating to jump up or down, or even going

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up and down the stairs. If they're one of those

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three and they're over the age of six, there is

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a great possibility that they have arthritic pain, just given

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the numbers of cats that we know have this, and

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then edny one of those pain signs, Like I would say,

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Molly should be screened to see if she has arthritis.

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Speaker 2: Yep, she should. So what can we do to ease

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our cat's discomfort? And are there supplements that we should

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be giving them or do they work?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So with kitties, if I'm thinking about arthritis, I

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really want to do something that supplements the joints, and

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I like to do things that supplement the muscle and

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things that you know a joint supplement. Some really great

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examples would be fish oils or green lipped muscle. Those

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things are anti inflammatory. They're really really good for joint health.

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Now I have a very hard time getting my cats,

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all but my orange one to take a fish oil.

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they do not like fish oil, so I'm not being

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able to get it. But that would be a great

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supplement to do.

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Speaker 2: I just ordered fish oil for Mollie.

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Speaker 5: Good luck.

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Speaker 2: Well, right, I'll try. Yeah, you would think, I mean, okay,

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I don't like it, So then what do we do?

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Can you give it to them in their I was

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going to put it in our food.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you could absolutely give it into their food.

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Speaker 6: Or there's certain prescription diets, so if you want to

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feed your cat a prescription diet that has a fish

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oil already incorporated. The other thing I actually find that

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cats do tolerate a little bit better and like better

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is green lipped muscle and green lipped muscle. Instead of

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being a fish oil, which is where they kind of

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render down the fish and kind of concentrate it, green

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blip muscles actually derived from muscles, and so it's a

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little brinier. Like my kitties love actually have a supplement

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that has the green lip muscle in it, and they

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still seem to really like that.

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Speaker 5: The other thing you could do is sardines.

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Speaker 2: What was it called green lipped muscle, lipped muscle?

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Speaker 6: Yep, okay, so that's a great one. So those are

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things that are great for the joints.

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Speaker 2: And then sardines, like, yes, sardines yeah, okay.

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Speaker 6: So you could try to give your kitty a little sardine.

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are anti flammatory and support the joints that are getting older,

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they're breaking down. I also love to do things that

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support the muscle. So we know that cats are chest

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they're because we have our most door kitties are indoors,

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and they're older.

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Speaker 5: They're a little bit doe. I should say that, like,

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you know, uh, not well muscled.

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Speaker 6: If I had a dog, I could do squats with

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it or push ups, but my kitty, like the cat

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exercises are you know, asking them to stretch with a

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laser pointer or use a toy to get them in

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and out of a box, but exercises to build muscle.

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of play and then they're done. So I like to

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do things that try to support the muscle and build

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back muscle. So I like to feed an ingredient called

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bordotropin and fordotropin, which is spelled fo r E. Tro pian.

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It's scientiffilicate backed and proven in cats in kitties, not

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just dogs, but also in kitties to build lean muscle

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and to be really well tolerated, so it doesn't make them,

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you know, have stomach upset, and it's really easy on

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the kidneys. And so I also give those to my

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kiddies if they're suffering from arthritis because it's building the muscle.

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the green lip muscle in it. So if you kind

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of wanted, that's what I do with my cat. So

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lift muscle, so I feel like it's an all in

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one when my cats love it. So that's what I

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We're speaking to doctor Kelly Fishman about

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things we can do to slow down your cats aging,

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to build up their muscle, to help them with their arthritis.

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And doctor Kelly, there's such fascinating interesting information. I mean,

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I had no idea that cats had arthritis so many

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of them in their senior years. I think it's because

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it's hard to tell. With dogs. You walk them. You

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can see that when they start to drag, you know,

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as they get older. Because I had dogs before I

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had cats, so you can see that in dogs. With cats,

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you don't see it as much. You have to be

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a detective.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's true, and vets don't even know. It's one

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of those things where even your veterinarian, if you go

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to your vet, you have an older cat that's kind

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of slowing down. And now there's more awareness because Soilentia,

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there's a which is a pain medication made for cats

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with arthritis, because the company that makes that has done

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a really good job of like providing awareness to veterinarians.

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Most veterinarians are now learning. But a few years ago,

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most veterinarians would have no idea why your cat was

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suffering or even that they were. So it's not even

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like us, it's our pet parents. It's also like us

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as and vetinarians too.

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Speaker 2: We have to get more knowledgeable about what our cats need.

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What about exercise? Is there anything you could do for

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exercising to help your cats? I mean, I know it's

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hard when they're their birthrights to get them to move.

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And like you said before, your cats are interested, you

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know and moving around for about a minute. Mind, it

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wouldn't matter what the toy is. They just don't only engage. Yeah,

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they like boxes and bags, you know, I know, for

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five minutes then they're just you know, tired of it.

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So I've done a lot of shows. Some of them

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there's been some tricks and tips, but they never seem

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to be engaged for more than a short time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 6: I kind of do wonder if it's just because of

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like how the cat play is stimulating, you know, their

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predator behavior. They have to chase them mouse or get

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the birds. So it's almost like it's done this for

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a few minutes and I've should have caught this thing,

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and I'm going to give up.

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Speaker 5: But you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 6: The kitties I can get into things like swimming or

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the underwater treadmill are orange male cats Maine coons like

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Dennis and Bengals actually will go in the underwater treadmill

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or do swimming, believe it or not. And then some

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of the other ones. I again, I don't have a

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lot of great answers either. Sometimes I'll do things like

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incorporating boxes for them to jump in and out of,

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and then I like to do a wall stretch. That's

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my favorite, where I just take a laser pointer and

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put it on the wall. And then my kitty. Who

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has my kitty right now, Nelson. He's a ten year

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old white domestic short hair. I put a little laser

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pointer on the wall and he has to kind of

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grab it and he stretches out his when he stands

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up on the wall, he stretches out his spine and

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his hips. And that's a great one to do. So

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just I think, listen, we can't get them to build muscle,

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but we have supplements that can do that. We can't

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get them to keep moving, but we can do little

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things and we can do those stretches. And maybe it's

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not kitty squads, but it's something.

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Speaker 2: It's something. What about for younger kiddies that maybe have

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a little bit more energy. I know that people have

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been walking their cats for a while now, at least

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probably at least ten or probably more years than ten

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twenty years, But how hard is it to get your

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cat into harness to be walked.

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Speaker 6: Well, I've done this with three of my kiddies, so

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you definitely you could harness train them when they are kittens.

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they're nice safe space that they know, they feel comfortable,

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and you just like provide treats and let them wear

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the harness indoors when they're comfortable, and then what you

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do is you then attach a leash. You get them

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used to walking around with a leash and having pressure,

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and then you bring them outside. And then most of

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the time you bring them outside and sixty percent of

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the cats kind of go into the crouch mode and

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get freaked out until they realize that they're in a

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safe place. But certainly harness training is really helpful. The

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other thing I did with my most recent cat is

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I trained him to sit, and I trained him to

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like jump on and up like through hoops. So I

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think if I had a kit and again, I would

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certainly do that, and then do that as like a

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way to like maintain fitness, you know, like so he's

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always sitting when he gets a treat where he has

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to jump through a hoop to get a treat. And honestly,

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teaching my cat to sit was way easier than teaching

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a dog. You just hold a little treat over their

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nose and he sits right away.

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Speaker 5: They learn.

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Speaker 6: They're so much faster like learners and dogs are. It's

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just if they want to repeat the behavior or not,

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that's up to the kiddie. But they're certainly good learners.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: You go and ages ago. I had him through my

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other show on pet Life Radio, Best Bets for Pat's.

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I had a kiddie harness, so I thought, I'm gonna

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put it on Dennis and take him out because he's

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part of me and couldn't say he's very easy, like

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he's real easy, which I'm grateful for. And so I

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put the harness on, took him outside. I'm thinking, I'm

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gonna walk him like a dog. You're right, and and

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I'm probably like most people, I don't have a ton

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of patients for certain things. So I just thought, we'll

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do this. Come on, Dennis, we'll do this. I think

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I maybe had treats. He took a couple of treats,

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and then you're right, he just sat there. It's like

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put the heck on a cat. I don't do this.

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So that did not last too long. I probably could

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have if I was more patient, trained him a bit.

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But you know, it's funny. He's the oldest of my

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cat crew and he's the one that jumps around the

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most interesting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was still screening him just because you said

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he's fourteen fifteen. Yeah, yeah, he probably has it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, coons are big kiddies, so you know they

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I was like worry about. So the cat's actually the

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place they get ARTHRT. It's it's important they get in

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their elbows and their hips like the most common spots.

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So yeah, I think Mankon's maybe kind of like Bengals,

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like they just like have like a dry like they

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just like kind of want to like they have a

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drive that like makes them want to keep going, you know.

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So I think that's also part of it, like maybe

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they kind of work through stuff pain and don't show it.

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Speaker 5: As much as other cats. Breeze.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, that's my own personal thought, like

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I don't have any evidence for that, or I think

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just being a cat owner.

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Speaker 2: And he's not that big of a main coon. He's big,

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but he's not that big.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: On Instagram there's a few people that have pictures of

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Maine coons that are i mean, what like thirty inches

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forty inches long, like crazy huge.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they could be quite big.

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Speaker 2: They have a great personality.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, Maincon and my and orange kitties and tuxedos

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are yes, you know.

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Speaker 2: Well I have Tuxedo, but she's a cat with attitude,

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so she's typical cat. That's what I say about her.

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You could have to do it by her way. So right,

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we've talked about a lot of things that cat parents

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can do to detect, you know, arthritis and if their

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cat's not feeling well and what to look for. What

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are some overall things that cat parents can do to

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make their cats happier and healthier, because it could be

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overwhelming and there's so many things out there now, you know,

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acupuncture and arthritis, and there's we didn't even touch on

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probiotics because that's I don't think that's in your real

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but that's out there too. That's you know, not probiotics.

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But there's all kinds of different things coming up, and

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it could be so overwhelming. So what would you say

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to the cat parent, you know what, of all the

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things to focus on, these are the top maybe three

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or five items that you should really, you know, keep

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in mind.

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Speaker 6: So first of all, I wrote the probiotics. Actually, I

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have recently started to become a big fan of probiotics

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and not forgetting that, like the gut is such an

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important organ. So I actually also feed my kiddy probiotics

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and that's been very helpful because it's helped with some

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of his chronic occasional vomiting that he had, and just

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making sure he had a nice flora has been really important.

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So I definitely think probiotics are a great addition. And

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also there are some great calming probiotics in cats and

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four cats that are great for separation, anxiety and other

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kind of behavioral issues. So yes, probiotics, you already broughth

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it up. That's something I like and recommend. So I

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think that the thing that I would say is, you know,

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I think as vetinarians we've done a bad job of

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really understanding how to feed cats and what to feed cats,

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and I don't, unfortunately have the answer.

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Speaker 5: Because we don't know.

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Speaker 6: It seems to be that as much as possible, I

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would tell people to not feed kibble. And the reason

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is cats, when they eat in their natural state is

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they like to eat several times a day, like as it,

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five to six times a day, many meals of high protein,

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high water content. So maybe that would look like one

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mouse and several insects or things like that, So that's

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how they naturally eat. They're kind of a solitary predator,

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solitary hunter. Many meals eat snack eat snack right and sleep,

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so that's kind of what they naturally do.

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Speaker 5: And when we have kibble, kibble.

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Speaker 6: Is very dry and it doesn't provide a lot of

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moisture to it. So cats, who again are desert creatures,

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probably also got a lot of their water from their food.

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away from kibble because it seems to be it's the

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least natural way to feed the kiddies just because it's

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again it's not very hydrating. And then what happens is

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because it's so it's almost like eating a bag of chips.

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Like the cat, thein who wants to go to it

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and have many micromeals constantly is grazing at the kibba

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bowl and then they become overweight and Obesit is a

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huge problem in cats. Not only does it make things

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like arthritis work, it predisposes them to diabetes and all

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kinds of problems. So if we could just prevent obeseeding

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cats by you know, trying to feed them in ways

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that prevents obesity, which is trying to move away from kibble,

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try to do that. So I switched my kiddies to

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they both eat all my cats eat canned food as

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much as possible.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so even if your cats drink water, you'd say

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minimize or eliminate kibble entirely.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, And actually cats who eat kibble will drink

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more water than cats who don't because they're or get

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dehydrated and they then seek out water.

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Speaker 5: So when you have a cat, if you're always.

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Speaker 6: Fed kibble and then you switch to a wet food,

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then you'll notice that your cat's water intake will go

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down because you're getting more water from the food.

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Speaker 2: What if you do a mix, You could do a mix.

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Speaker 6: You could definitely do a mix. It's just as much

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as possible. Minimize the kibble. So you know, if I

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have to do a kibble, I like to feed it

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as a treat. It's like a little treat.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So that's my thing is you know, and hopefully one

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day we learn even more about cat nutrition how to

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feed them better. But it certainly seems that doing things

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like you know, the kibble unfortunately isn't as well. It's

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easy and convenient, and then I had to feed it

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for you know, my kiddies. At certain points in my

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life where I was busy, fat student, and you know,

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I went on vacation and I couldn't get.

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Speaker 5: Someone to come watch them, and I had to feed kibble.

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Speaker 6: Or with my first cat, who I got when I

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was quite young, I fed kibble. They could never get

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her off it even if I tried. She could not

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eat canned food. You know, there's certain circumstances, but as

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much as possible, try to stay away from it.

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Speaker 2: That is good advice.

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Speaker 5: Any other tips, No, I don't really have any.

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Speaker 6: I mean things, just you know, our kidies are such special,

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loving creatures and I think, I don't know, I just

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think that like paying attention to them and just you know,

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loving them as much as possible.

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Speaker 5: It is such a great thing. They just are such

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such great little animals.

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Speaker 2: Yes they are, and they could teach you a lot.

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We just have to open our minds and our eyes

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and just listen, you know, because in our world where

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we're rushing around and doing multitasking and all this kind

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of stuff, sometimes, you know, we expect our fur babes

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to behave that way, and cats, for one, do not,

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at least mine don't. And from what I learned from

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them is you really have to pay attention to them

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and what they want. They have their own personalities and

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needs and you just have to focus in on what

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they want.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's really well said. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So tell us where people can find out more about

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you and learn more about struct Animal Mobility Specialists, and

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just find out more about you in general.

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Speaker 6: So you could certainly find me on my website strutanimal

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dot com. And I'm on Instagram and Facebook also at

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strut animal and ever. You know, it's always free to

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reach out to me, send me a message. I'm always

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happy to answer questions about cats or dogs or anything.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kelly, I want to thank you so much for

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coming on Catitude.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you, Michelle. It was lovely talking to you

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about kitties.

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Speaker 2: I hope you all enjoyed the show. What fascinating information

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that doctor Kelly Fishman had I would like to mention again.

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She is the founder of strut Animal Mobility Specialists. Strutanimal

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dot com is our website. Please check it out. This

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is great info about our kitties. Thanks to my cat

553
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crew Mollie, Charlotte and Dennis for teaching me about cats

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and I could just learn and learn and learn. There's

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so much we don't know about cats, even though We're

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getting better all the time. So thanks catcrew, and of

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course thank you so much to my listening audience. Thank

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you for listening to Catitude for all these years. I've

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been hosting it for eight and I just appreciate you

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so much, so thank you for your loyal listenership. And

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of course the show would not be the same without

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the magic of my producer, Mark Winter, So thank you Mark,

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and remember, lose the attitude, have Catitude.

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Speaker 4: Let's Talk pets every week on demand only on petlifradio

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dot com.