Speaker 1: Karen, let's test your knowledge of will. Oh boy, what
Speaker 1: is the number one thing I've always wanted to do?
Speaker 2: Astro project?
Speaker 3: Astral project? That's right?
Speaker 2: That and eat unlimited cake.
Speaker 3: Oh, we need to get someone about cake. No.
Speaker 1: No, this one's about astral projection. It's that all elusive
Speaker 1: skill set that I've been trying to gain forever. Well,
Speaker 1: I think today we're going to solve it.
Speaker 3: Whoa, Yep.
Speaker 1: This episode is all about astral projection. What is it really?
Speaker 1: What are the benefits of leaving your body? And most
Speaker 1: of all, how.
Speaker 3: To do it? Step by step?
Speaker 1: Yep, We're diving into the easiest way to master out
Speaker 1: of the body travel. Welcome to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and I'm garous, and
Speaker 1: unlike Boulder and Scully, both want to believe. So we've
Speaker 1: embarked in a journey of discovery.
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Speaker 4: Physician Library, warts and all.
Speaker 3: Well, today's story is.
Speaker 1: Called the Blind Girl. There was a blind girl who
Speaker 1: hated herself purely for the fact that she was blind.
Speaker 1: The only person that she didn't hate was her loving boyfriend,
Speaker 1: as he was always there for her. She said that
Speaker 1: if she could only see the world, she would marry him.
Speaker 1: One day, someone donated a pair of eyes to her,
Speaker 1: and now she could see everything, including her boyfriend. So
Speaker 1: her boyfriend dropped to one knee and asked her, now
Speaker 1: that you can see the world, will you marry me.
Speaker 1: The girl was shocked when she saw that her boyfriend
Speaker 1: was blind too, and she refused to marry him.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: The boyfriend walked away in tears and later wrote her
Speaker 1: a letter saying, I understand, Please just take care of
Speaker 1: my eyes.
Speaker 3: Dear.
Speaker 1: I won't even give you the moral of this story.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the message is loud and clear. Hey everyone,
Speaker 1: I'm will We are your guides of this journey of discovery.
Speaker 1: Today we've got a special treat. Florentine Eonita is an
Speaker 1: astral projection teacher and explorer who has created the world's
Speaker 1: most complete astral projection program, the Astral Projection Accelerator Program.
Speaker 1: He's helped hundreds of students achieve out of by experiences
Speaker 1: with the help of this systematic training methodology, and I
Speaker 1: could not be more excited to talk to him today. Florentine,
Speaker 1: thanks for being on show. Hello, Hello, thanks to thank
Speaker 1: you for having me. So We've got a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about, and I know Karen's going to tell you
Speaker 1: that I can talk about this stuff forever. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to try to keep it as concise as I
Speaker 1: can and let you speak for a little bit. But first,
Speaker 1: let's set the table so that everyone is on the
Speaker 1: same page. Astral projection out of body experiences, what exactly
Speaker 1: is it. There's a lot of misconceptions out there, right,
Speaker 1: so let's put some of those misconceptions to rest.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, So that's a good price to start, because
Speaker 3: there is a lot of misconceptions. So the first one
Speaker 3: is the idea that we are leaving our bodies and
Speaker 3: that our body is going to be empty, and that
Speaker 3: someone's going to take over the body maybe or something's
Speaker 3: gonna happen to their body, and there's a fear there,
Speaker 3: maybe that we're not able to come back if we
Speaker 3: travel somewhere. There's all this whole idea of sep from
Speaker 3: the body kind of thing. And although it feels like
Speaker 3: we are moving away from the body, that we're leaving
Speaker 3: the body in a strained way when we're doing it.
Speaker 3: I think the truth is more like, we are not
Speaker 3: in our bodies in the first place. Our consciousness is
Speaker 3: not in our brain. Our consciousness is beyond this dimension
Speaker 3: in the first place, and it's projecting itself to our
Speaker 3: physical body, to a human experience. And then when we
Speaker 3: have to project, it's basically our consciousness projecting itself somewhere
Speaker 3: else in a different reality. That would be where ass
Speaker 3: projection is. So you can also be in multiple plays
Speaker 3: at the same time. So you can be occupying your
Speaker 3: physical body while you're doing this practice, aware of the
Speaker 3: physical body, and at the same time you can be
Speaker 3: aware of a complete different reality as well. You can
Speaker 3: have multiple parallel projections.
Speaker 1: So so if someone coming into this topic cold, you
Speaker 1: just dropped about fifteen bombs.
Speaker 2: Now that sounds exist.
Speaker 1: In less than two minutes. So let's take it back
Speaker 1: for a second. You mentioned that the consciousness does not
Speaker 1: reside in the body. That you're talking of course about
Speaker 1: the theory that our consciousness is not developed by a brain,
Speaker 1: but rather it lives outside of our brain, and our
Speaker 1: brain is actually just a filter that allows us to
Speaker 1: live in this three dimensional body. It's a super interesting
Speaker 1: thought and one that I've talked about and thought about
Speaker 1: a lot, because the thought of projecting our consciousness into
Speaker 1: our bodies to the use of our brains is intriguing
Speaker 1: and it opens up a lot of possibilities in the
Speaker 1: quantum realm. If this resonates with you, then this conversation
Speaker 1: is going to be easy one for you. If it
Speaker 1: doesn't resonate with you, then we have got some work
Speaker 1: to do. If they're first and foremo so, then you
Speaker 1: are also talked about being in multiple places at one time.
Speaker 1: At that point, now you're talking about the fact that
Speaker 1: we are an infinite being. Also, the quantum physics thought
Speaker 1: that there is no time, that all time is happening simultaneously,
Speaker 1: so that could be something along those lines. So trying
Speaker 1: to catch up those that aren't as versed in some
Speaker 1: of these concepts. If someone doesn't resonate with some of
Speaker 1: these concepts, for lack of a better word, is astra
Speaker 1: projection completely out of bounds for them?
Speaker 3: No h So there's like two different beliefs that you
Speaker 3: can have with this. You can believe that, like I
Speaker 3: was just saying before that consciousness is beyond the body,
Speaker 3: beyond the brain, and you can therefore trouble to different
Speaker 3: realities that are outside of you. Or you can believe
Speaker 3: that consciousness is in your brain and that everything that's
Speaker 3: happening to you is always in your in your mind,
Speaker 3: in your imagination, and that's all. That's okay. You can
Speaker 3: have that belief, and you can still ask the project.
Speaker 3: You can still have these experiences and now you can
Speaker 3: kind of make what you want out of it. You
Speaker 3: can still you can believe that, oh, that was just
Speaker 3: some type of dream or that was happening in my mind.
Speaker 3: It's okay. You could have that belief, and I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people do have that belief in the beginning.
Speaker 3: I think it's healthy to have the belief of maybe
Speaker 3: this is all just the illusion or a dream or
Speaker 3: imagination and whatever. And then you know, you have that belief,
Speaker 3: you have that skeptic kind of mindset, but you still
Speaker 3: have an open mindset with that because you are willing
Speaker 3: to try this out for yourself. To start with the practice,
Speaker 3: you start doing the actual work and you start having experiences,
Speaker 3: and then through that journey of experience, you start to
Speaker 3: shift your belief system, you start to have experiences that
Speaker 3: maybe you won't be able to explain with that theory
Speaker 3: that it's all in your mind, because maybe you will
Speaker 3: have an experience where you see something outside of your room,
Speaker 3: maybe your neighbor's room, that you have never seen before,
Speaker 3: and then you go out in the physical the next
Speaker 3: day you check out the roof and you see actually
Speaker 3: the same thing. You know, things like this happen all
Speaker 3: the time, or that people go to people's houses and
Speaker 3: they overhear conversation and they can come back and recall
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. Tell that brand I saw you having
Speaker 3: this conversation with this person in these clothes. Is that true? Like, yes,
Speaker 3: that's that happened. And those are those kind of confirmations,
Speaker 3: personal confirmations that then take your experience, your perception of
Speaker 3: reality to another level where you start to expand what
Speaker 3: you believe is true about this reality and about yourself
Speaker 3: and about the universe. And it's kind of the whole
Speaker 3: purpose of this is to take you on that journey
Speaker 3: of truth where you start to unravel more of what
Speaker 3: reality is and what you are and what is going on.
Speaker 3: And so it's totally okay to have that belief in
Speaker 3: the beginning that everything is happening out here, it's totally okay.
Speaker 3: One of the main questions I guess from people when
Speaker 3: it comes to this topic is why why would you
Speaker 3: do this? Why would you leave your body and go
Speaker 3: into different dimensions? And what's the point? Like iasy like
Speaker 3: for you and for you, you didn't. You didn't actually
Speaker 3: ask me that question because it's so clear to you
Speaker 3: why And I wanted to ask you why. Why do
Speaker 3: you want to ask the project? Why do you think
Speaker 3: this is something that you would That's a great question
Speaker 3: for me. It's a way of validating that this stuff
Speaker 3: is all real. So in the show Open you'll hear
Speaker 3: we talk about the fact that we're like Molder and Schully,
Speaker 3: we really want to believe. But I'm the kind of
Speaker 3: mindset that I have to feel it. I have to
Speaker 3: sense it, taste it, touch it. Right, I've got to
Speaker 3: know it's real before I can just full on believe it.
Speaker 3: And I got that when it became a Reikie practitioner.
Speaker 3: I did feel these energies, which then led me to think, Okay,
Speaker 3: if this is real, then there's boundary other things out
Speaker 3: there that are real as well, but it's eluding me.
Speaker 3: So I figured if I can ask for project and
Speaker 3: if it as real as you're saying, like as palpable,
Speaker 3: as it's not a dream state kind of real, then
Speaker 3: that is going to prove without a shadow of doubt
Speaker 3: for me that this stuff is real. So that's really
Speaker 3: that's my why, That's why I've always wanted to ask
Speaker 3: to project. So for you is confirmation that this stuff
Speaker 3: is real, correct, And it's very much the same for me.
Speaker 3: I'm very much like you, like I need to have
Speaker 3: the experience to believe something a conscious like believe in everything.
Speaker 3: That's kind of the whole purpose with afterprojection specifically, it's like,
Speaker 3: don't believe what people tell you, don't read books about
Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff. Go ahead and just have the
Speaker 3: experience yourself. Learn how to do it, find out for yourself,
Speaker 3: because the difference between believing something and knowing something experiencing
Speaker 3: something is massive, It's completely different territory. There's one thing
Speaker 3: to believe that you might continue after physical death, there
Speaker 3: might be an afterlife, your uncle, that I might be
Speaker 3: somewhere out there, and knowing through experience a difficult different
Speaker 3: state of mind, right, so you know, think about how
Speaker 3: that would feel to have that knowing through your personal experience.
Speaker 3: So it's a it's a very different experience as a
Speaker 3: and if someone was motivated like I am about confirmation.
Speaker 3: I think you alluded to earlier that there are certain
Speaker 3: benefits to astral projection. Can you share some of those
Speaker 3: with us? Yes? So, to me, asks projection is a
Speaker 3: tool for spiritual evolution. It's a it's a tool to
Speaker 3: discover your spiritual essence. And I think when you are
Speaker 3: in the spiritual community and you learn about these different
Speaker 3: topics and you find out that, oh, you are not
Speaker 3: a physical body, human being, you're something more, You're something
Speaker 3: beyond this, the question comes up, like then what what
Speaker 3: am I? What am I more than this? And how
Speaker 3: can I like experience this? And this will be the
Speaker 3: way to experience this. And you can experience this stuff
Speaker 3: with psychedelics. It can take different substances, but that's a
Speaker 3: completely different thing, and it's usually maybe a bit more intense,
Speaker 3: and not many people already ready for that. This stuff
Speaker 3: is very smooth, you know. It's like I said before,
Speaker 3: you you will take it to places that you're ready for,
Speaker 3: So it just smooths the journey that you can go
Speaker 3: on and start finding about finding out about your essence,
Speaker 3: who you are, where you are, about the universe. And
Speaker 3: it's also a tool to connect with somebody that has
Speaker 3: passed away, that has basically left from this physical realm
Speaker 3: and gone into different realm. You can connect with them.
Speaker 3: And we have students that do that all the time.
Speaker 3: And I mean seeing a students that had lost their
Speaker 3: loved one connecting with them in the astrol and then
Speaker 3: having the talk with them afterwards and seeing how happy
Speaker 3: they are and how like you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 3: amazing because there's such a healing experience built to talk
Speaker 3: to somebody that you love that you you think you've lost,
Speaker 3: but then you find out that you haven't lost them.
Speaker 3: They're still there and this is a tool for them
Speaker 3: to connect with somebody like that. And then of course
Speaker 3: is the connecting with spiritual guides is a which is
Speaker 3: a big one as well. Many people want to connect
Speaker 3: with their spiritual guides that knows everything about them and
Speaker 3: get guidance on their life and what to do that
Speaker 3: wants to it called Ashwin. He found out his life's
Speaker 3: purpose with the help of his guides and this is
Speaker 3: one of those super important things to do, which is
Speaker 3: one of those keystones things that you want to do
Speaker 3: as well, Like you want to connect your spiritual guide
Speaker 3: to get guidance, to get help to navigate the astral
Speaker 3: because you want know where to go that you will
Speaker 3: know they can help you. It seems like a no
Speaker 3: brainer to me.
Speaker 2: That's more of my motivation. I don't need the proof
Speaker 2: because I do believe it, but I feel like it's
Speaker 2: something we're supposed to do to become more and that's
Speaker 2: what that's what I want.
Speaker 1: Right So in your estimation, Florentine, you think eventually everyone
Speaker 1: will get to the point where they do this regularly.
Speaker 3: Is this part of our spiritual evolution? Then I really
Speaker 3: believe that. I really believe that this is what we're
Speaker 3: supposed to do to evolve our consciousness constantly, and I
Speaker 3: understand what we are and what we are not and
Speaker 3: understand the true, the truth about this reality. Right So
Speaker 3: that's kind of alter what it is about, understanding the
Speaker 3: bigger picture, and with that comes great, great peace, great healing,
Speaker 3: great I mean, the more I think for you guys too,
Speaker 3: the more you find out, the more kind of amazed
Speaker 3: you be about what's happening, and the more the more
Speaker 3: loves comes from that, from knowing the bigger truth. And
Speaker 3: so I think it's definitely a part of our evolution
Speaker 3: to go on this journey of truths and expansion.
Speaker 2: So you said that some people might think, well, was
Speaker 2: that a dream? So kind of take expanding on that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when you sleep, you have these dreams that are
Speaker 2: just incredible and seem incredibly vivid, like you are right there,
Speaker 2: I mean, could you be I guess while you're sleeping
Speaker 2: as for projecting and not on accident, but like not
Speaker 2: inten doing it. But is it something that could just happen.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's something that happens actually to like ten percent
Speaker 3: of the population. People have these spontaneous out about experiences
Speaker 3: and for the most part they shreak out because they
Speaker 3: don't know what's happening. And it's very scary if you
Speaker 3: don't know that this is possible to start leaving your body.
Speaker 3: Might you might think you're dying, You might you know,
Speaker 3: I think something weird is happening. And then also it
Speaker 3: happens a lot in our sleep. When we're sleeping, we
Speaker 3: have more unconscious experiences. For the most part, we might
Speaker 3: not remember them, or you might remember some pieces, maybe
Speaker 3: that we are flying and we saw a village or something,
Speaker 3: but we come back from that experience and always kind
Speaker 3: of disregarded to be a dream, but sometimes could actually
Speaker 3: be something more than a dream. But I think the
Speaker 3: best way to do this is to describe what is it?
Speaker 3: There was the difference between a dream, and then ask
Speaker 3: projection because of the you know, the lines are kind
Speaker 3: of blurry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In fact, I was going to ask if someone's freaking
Speaker 1: out because they do this in this and suddenly they
Speaker 1: freak feel they're dying. It must feel different because that's
Speaker 1: always been my big thing, Right, is it me just
Speaker 1: dreaming or using my imagination and feeling like I'm leaving
Speaker 1: my body? Like does it feel other physical sensations when
Speaker 1: you leave your body? Do you feel the wind whistling
Speaker 1: through your hair as you're lying through the night or
Speaker 1: is it really just a mental projection?
Speaker 3: Great question. So that's why people freak out because it's
Speaker 3: so real. They don't even know that they're I mean,
Speaker 3: they don't even know that they're out of body. A
Speaker 3: lot of times I have students when they go out
Speaker 3: of body, they actually think there are standing in their
Speaker 3: room physically, and so they they leave their body and
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, oh, I'm just I'm still physically standing
Speaker 3: in my room. Everything looks the same. They go back
Speaker 3: to bed, and then they wake up and then they realize,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that I was out of body just now.
Speaker 3: But it was so real that I thought it was
Speaker 3: physical reality. Okay, So it's that level of realism, and
Speaker 3: sometimes people report that it's even more real than their
Speaker 3: physical experiences.
Speaker 1: Definitely encouraging to me because you talk to people and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it's just like it's like just like
Speaker 1: it's in your imagination. And to me, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a compout if I'm not feeling it, but I if
Speaker 1: I don't feel something different, it feels like I'm not
Speaker 1: really astro projecting. So I'm hearing from you that it
Speaker 1: is indeed feels like you are physically somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's insane. It's it's really insane. Like I mean,
Speaker 3: when you it's only when you have the first time
Speaker 3: that you can just like grasp what would just what
Speaker 3: just happened? Because it's I remember for me when I
Speaker 3: heard this as well, I was also a bit skeptic.
Speaker 3: I was also thinking, hmmm, maybe these guys, these people
Speaker 3: just imagining these things, because I would go to different retreats,
Speaker 3: to different workshops, meitation workshops, and I always meet these
Speaker 3: people that they always had this very interesting stuff happening
Speaker 3: for them. When they're closing their eyes, they all kinds
Speaker 3: of stuff, and I was like, nah, I don't see anything.
Speaker 3: It's just I'm just I'm not even Yeah, nothing is happening.
Speaker 3: And I was always wondering if these people are just
Speaker 3: kind of making things up or they're just measuring things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because people so it wasn't stuff around all the time,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when I left my body or it's such
Speaker 3: a buzzword. It's like everyone in this space is talking
Speaker 3: about astro projection or leave out of body experiences, like
Speaker 3: just throwing around like if it was hotcakes. But that's
Speaker 3: what makes someone like me who's been struggling trying hard
Speaker 3: to do it for so long, get super frustrating and thinking, no,
Speaker 3: you guys are full of crap. This is not it
Speaker 3: can't be real. So yeah, totally, I mean that's exactly
Speaker 3: what happens if you tried for a while and then
Speaker 3: don't get very far. Then you know you're you're going
Speaker 3: to have all kinds of stories that you're going to
Speaker 3: tell yourself, like this is not real, or maybe you're
Speaker 3: going to have the limiting belief that I had, which is,
Speaker 3: I'm not gifted enough to do this. I don't have
Speaker 3: the ability to do this. This is for special people.
Speaker 3: This is for someone that has meditary for ten years exactly,
Speaker 3: and I'm not one of those people. So a lot
Speaker 3: of things can come like that, and that can also
Speaker 3: become a limiting belief which blocks you from actually being
Speaker 3: able to do it, because now you're creating a belief
Speaker 3: system around it that you cannot do it, which is
Speaker 3: not helping you. So it's but yeah, it's the moment
Speaker 3: that you have the experience is the moment that you
Speaker 3: truly go, Okay, this is possible, and the experience is
Speaker 3: extremely real. It's it's very physical and you you can
Speaker 3: feel things, you can touch things with your hands, you
Speaker 3: can smell things, you can see things, you can hear things.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you're hearing can be so and halls that you
Speaker 3: can hear things that are really really far away from
Speaker 3: the room that you're practicing in. Like for example, if
Speaker 3: I practice, if I do the practice in a city
Speaker 3: like London, I would be I can get into a
Speaker 3: state where I start hearing conversations of lots of different
Speaker 3: conversations taking place, as if there's like people sitting in
Speaker 3: my room. And in the beginning, a lot of times
Speaker 3: I actually got confused. I actually thought someone walked into
Speaker 3: my room, and so I took off my headphones and
Speaker 3: looked around, like, what's happening here? Is someone's coming into
Speaker 3: my room? There's nobody there, but it's so clear. The
Speaker 3: sound is so clear. And if I do it in
Speaker 3: a place that's like just nature around the area, I
Speaker 3: can hear birds and the river creaking, and like the
Speaker 3: sounds that will be in that environment I hear very
Speaker 3: clearly as if they're next to me. So it's very
Speaker 3: very interesting how our senses when we get into these states,
Speaker 3: get very heightened beyond the physical possibility that we have
Speaker 3: with our physical senses.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because sometimes when I dream, I can I
Speaker 2: can smell things, or I can taste things. I just
Speaker 2: thought that was normal dreaming, And I don't know, will
Speaker 2: do you smell and taste in your dreams? I never
Speaker 2: asked you that.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever have No, I don't smell
Speaker 3: or taste or I mean hear things.
Speaker 2: But well you got to hear things well, but well in.
Speaker 3: A dream, i'm more.
Speaker 1: I'm it's more less less hearing it more seeing it
Speaker 1: in my mind, Like I know that they're someone saying something,
Speaker 1: but it's not like auditory really Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think. At the same time, I
Speaker 1: also don't remember my dreams a lot. Very seldom do
Speaker 1: I remember my dreams, so.
Speaker 2: Like when you have a dream that you're flying, you
Speaker 2: don't feel it.
Speaker 1: Like the only dreams I've had have been and it's
Speaker 1: it's been a very long time since I had one
Speaker 1: of them is falling. I've had dreams I've been falling
Speaker 1: and that has been really unnerving. Yeah, yeah, really unnerving.
Speaker 1: And now that I think about it, Florentine, could that
Speaker 1: have been an astral travel in my dreams? I mean
Speaker 1: it feels like you feel, you know, when you are
Speaker 1: on a roller coaster and you go down one of
Speaker 1: those the drops and you feel in your stomach. It
Speaker 1: kind of felt like that, believe it or not, in
Speaker 1: the dream?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Could that possibly have been a projection?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I wanted to do this before as well.
Speaker 3: It's to define what a dream would be, and I
Speaker 3: won't ask for it actually will be because they are
Speaker 3: cousins in a way. So the way I see it
Speaker 3: is that there are multiple dimensions and they have different
Speaker 3: quality or different purpose as well. And so to me,
Speaker 3: a dream is also a projection. Your consciousness is projecting
Speaker 3: itself into a reality, and you're now experiencing it as
Speaker 3: as it is your only reality in that moment. But
Speaker 3: the dream space, this dimension of the dream, we call
Speaker 3: it the mental plane. It's kind of like a mixture
Speaker 3: of everything that you know, you know, every everyone you meet.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of your little simulated reality. You know,
Speaker 3: you might see a picture and then your dream about
Speaker 3: that thing that was on that picture, and your thoughts
Speaker 3: are very much blended with that reality, and it's changing.
Speaker 3: It's very kind of liquidy. You know, you can look
Speaker 3: at one direction, you see something, you look at the
Speaker 3: other one that when you look back that the whole
Speaker 3: seri is now changed. Two door changes to the window.
Speaker 3: It's not very solid. And usually in a dream, or
Speaker 3: you will have your child with friends, maybe your family,
Speaker 3: maybe lots of familiar characters might be in that experience,
Speaker 3: and then a lucid dream would just be the fact
Speaker 3: that you become lucid, You become aware in the dream
Speaker 3: that you are dreaming, and then you can just see
Speaker 3: it's where it is, you can see it. Oh, I'm
Speaker 3: in a dream. Now, I'm in a dream reality dream
Speaker 3: dimension now a master projection or an etheric projection, or
Speaker 3: there's this other dimension you go to. When you go
Speaker 3: to those places, they will be they'll have different a
Speaker 3: completely different There'll be a different environment. It will not
Speaker 3: be the environment of your own creation. There will be
Speaker 3: an environment where you're meeting more objective realities, places that
Speaker 3: are actually that exist but on a different frequency of reality,
Speaker 3: and there things usually are more solid. If you look,
Speaker 3: you see a building on the right, you look to left,
Speaker 3: we look back, the building is still there. And you
Speaker 3: cannot just change the environment as as you wish, like
Speaker 3: you can an a lucid dream where you can kind
Speaker 3: of change colors of the walls, or you can. You
Speaker 3: kind of have this power over that experience because it's
Speaker 3: your generated reality that you are experiencing. You are also
Speaker 3: creating that reality. Elucid dream and a dream, but an
Speaker 3: ass projection you occupying a place that's occupied by other
Speaker 3: consciousness beings as well, and you cannot just change things
Speaker 3: as you want. Things are more solid, and a lot
Speaker 3: of times when you project yourself to these places, you
Speaker 3: end up on a street maybe that's just completely empty,
Speaker 3: there's nobody there. You have to kind of look around
Speaker 3: to find something to do. It can be a bit
Speaker 3: empty in the beginning, and to find maybe so much
Speaker 3: talk to or to your figure out where you are.
Speaker 3: It's a bit like you're just being dropped at in
Speaker 3: a you know, a different city, in a different world,
Speaker 3: or maybe in a forest or that you know, there's
Speaker 3: countless places to go? Is it?
Speaker 1: And you bring up a good point, all these places
Speaker 1: you go. We've heard that you can go to astral school.
Speaker 1: We've heard that you can talk to God. We've heard
Speaker 1: that you can see past loved ones. Is this just
Speaker 1: a traveling of the mind? Is it you can go anywhere?
Speaker 1: Or these are actual physical places that you go to,
Speaker 1: physical places there there are non physical places that you
Speaker 1: go to. Maybe you can also go to physical places
Speaker 1: as well. There will just be a different shift of frequency.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, when we leave our when
Speaker 1: we project our awareness out of our bodies or in
Speaker 1: different realms. We the frequency that our consciousness is in
Speaker 1: that in that state is it's usually a frequency that
Speaker 1: doesn't really it's harder to be it's it's harder to
Speaker 1: be in a physical dimension. So it's harder for somewhere
Speaker 1: to to get into this physical realm with a non
Speaker 1: physical body than there is for them to be in
Speaker 1: a non physical realm.
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 1: So it's not like I can go visit my daughter
Speaker 1: at school in astral form and just kind of sit
Speaker 1: and watch her in school, or yes.
Speaker 3: You can, you can, just saying that it's a bit
Speaker 3: more unnatural and a bit more difficult for you to
Speaker 3: do that versus to be in the astral which is
Speaker 3: like completely your natural environment to be in when you
Speaker 3: are in this form, in this set of consciousness.
Speaker 2: So in one of those environments, is everybody else else
Speaker 2: in there also astral projecting?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you you might go for the most part
Speaker 3: of this is this is a hard question because there's
Speaker 3: so many ways that this could This could leave it
Speaker 3: to caring to ask the hard questions. But yeah, you
Speaker 3: could be uh, you know, traveling out of body and visits.
Speaker 3: So I would say like this, some people naturally, they're
Speaker 3: as soon as they're out of body, they're like in
Speaker 3: their flats, they're in their house, they're like looking around,
Speaker 3: they're going through the wall, going out their neighborhood. They're
Speaker 3: seeing things in their physical reality very easy, Like their
Speaker 3: energetic body has that kind of has that frequency that
Speaker 3: it's going to kind of drawn to the physical a lot,
Speaker 3: and it's very easy to to be there. While other
Speaker 3: explorers when they got a body, they always end up
Speaker 3: in a completely different reality. They're never in their surroundings,
Speaker 3: and it's kind of difficult for them to go to
Speaker 3: the physical world, so to speak. But you can go anywhere,
Speaker 3: like you know, you can train yourself to go to
Speaker 3: different places, and we have the ability to do both.
Speaker 3: I think a good way to think about it because
Speaker 3: we all have the Internet nowadays, so we understand how
Speaker 3: there's different websites on the Internet that you can access
Speaker 3: with your computer, and that there's a network that connects
Speaker 3: all of these websites. You can think about that in
Speaker 3: the same way with dimensions. You have multiple dimensions that
Speaker 3: there will be like same as a website, and then
Speaker 3: you have the network that connects the different websites, which
Speaker 3: is the quantum field which connects all these different dimension
Speaker 3: and then with your consciousness you're able to travel to
Speaker 3: this different websites or dimensions. And they're countless of them.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if we didn't even know
Speaker 3: how many there are. There can be infinite amounts of
Speaker 3: different places to go to. And some of them are supervolves.
Speaker 3: You know, they're in the future. You know, they have
Speaker 3: like flying cars and technology we can understand. And others
Speaker 3: might be super like primitive and having an invented fire
Speaker 3: and they're kind of, you know, very confused, and ah,
Speaker 3: there's everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are so many questions. I mean, so many questions.
Speaker 1: We are just getting started. When we come back, we
Speaker 1: gotta take a break. When we come back, we're going
Speaker 1: to start talking to Florentine about potential dangers with astral
Speaker 1: projection and then get into the n idea of how
Speaker 1: to do it. So stay with us when we come back.
Speaker 1: You're not going to want to miss the rest of
Speaker 1: this interview. And we're back with the skeptic metaphysicians. Today
Speaker 1: we're talking to Florentini or Anita, who is a master
Speaker 1: astral projector. He's a teacher who taught hundreds of people
Speaker 1: how to achieve out of body experiences. He's got a
Speaker 1: systematic training, a methodology that is shore fire. So we
Speaker 1: are picking his brain about all things astral projections because,
Speaker 1: as you know, this is my favorite topic in the world.
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about what astral projection is and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff before the break. Now I
Speaker 1: want to get into the nitty florentine first and foremost.
Speaker 1: I've read Bob Monroe's book, Journeys out of the Body,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people who are listening know about
Speaker 1: the Monroe Institute and all the research that they've done
Speaker 1: with hemi sync, which is sinking the two hemispheres of
Speaker 1: the brains using binaural beats, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: The CIA has a whole document now that you can
Speaker 1: look for it yourself. Right now, you can downloaded the
Speaker 1: Gateway project. It talks about hemi sink and things like
Speaker 1: that to achieve out of body experiences. But in Bob
Speaker 1: Monroe's book, there's a part that made me very scared
Speaker 1: because he started talking about encounters with entities that maybe
Speaker 1: aren't the best things to run into in the astral plane.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that we should be afraid of when
Speaker 1: we first leave our bodies. You've already mentioned that no
Speaker 1: one's going to come over and take our bodies or anything,
Speaker 1: But are there any entities out there that we might
Speaker 1: get a little nerve wreck over, you know, demons or
Speaker 1: beings or astral beings that maybe don't want the best
Speaker 1: for us?
Speaker 3: Okay, So first, what I would like to share is
Speaker 3: that when we leave our when we project our awareness
Speaker 3: and we leave our bodies in this way, we are
Speaker 3: still going to be in a world of duality. We're
Speaker 3: not leaving duality anytime soon, you know. We're still there.
Speaker 3: So of course there's going to be dark, darkness and
Speaker 3: light that's going to be feared. That's going to be love.
Speaker 3: So there's going to be beings of lower vibrations and
Speaker 3: beings of high vibrations. It's going to be dimensions where
Speaker 3: there are weird creatures and sick people and all kinds
Speaker 3: of weird stuff going on, and it's going to be
Speaker 3: places that are full of light and love and beauty
Speaker 3: and amazing and profound. There's everything. Just like on the internet,
Speaker 3: you can go and you can find crazy websites and
Speaker 3: you can find beautiful websites and just like in the
Speaker 3: physical reality, you can go to places that are very
Speaker 3: scary and dangerous, it can go to places that are
Speaker 3: beautiful and amazing. And it's interesting because sometimes I wonder, like,
Speaker 3: before we incarnated here, did we get any debreachs from
Speaker 3: somebody what is going to be like to have a
Speaker 3: human physical life? And if we did, how did that being,
Speaker 3: you know, describe it to us. It's it's interesting because
Speaker 3: I think even I will believe that even you know,
Speaker 3: we will probably know a lot about this place before
Speaker 3: we come. And even though we know that there are
Speaker 3: crazy things going on here and you can get killed,
Speaker 3: and there's wars, and there's rape, and there's so many
Speaker 3: bad things that can happen to you, we still choose
Speaker 3: to come here and experience a physical life because there's
Speaker 3: so much growth, there's so much potential to have this
Speaker 3: physical life. And so I see an abjection a bit
Speaker 3: like that too. There's everything out there, but there's so
Speaker 3: much amazing things out there that those negative things that
Speaker 3: are out there shouldn't sort of stop you from going
Speaker 3: out of body. So that's the first thing. And then
Speaker 3: the second thing is that we are indestructible. We are
Speaker 3: not fragile when we got a body we you know,
Speaker 3: the other day, I was in a dimension where I
Speaker 3: was witnessing a fight and there was some sort of
Speaker 3: police force fighting some other people. I don't know what
Speaker 3: it was exactly, but I as soon as I saw that,
Speaker 3: I ended up just in the middle because a lot
Speaker 3: of times, when you focus on something, you just arrived
Speaker 3: there because your focus is there. And this actual police
Speaker 3: officer of some sort started to attack me, started to
Speaker 3: punch me, and the punches went through me like nothing.
Speaker 3: I couldn't feel anything. It wasn't hurting me. There was
Speaker 3: no pain, there was nothing. It was just like it
Speaker 3: was a strange, little bit strange.
Speaker 1: So I've had dreams where someone's fighting me and I,
Speaker 1: you know, either I don't feel it or I can't
Speaker 1: hit them right.
Speaker 3: But I've always known it is a dream.
Speaker 1: Now, what you talked about before the break, you said
Speaker 1: that it is a definite, palpable difference from a dream.
Speaker 1: You you were there, more real than real, almost, is
Speaker 1: what you said. So these punches when he was going,
Speaker 1: he was hitting you, and it was good, just going
Speaker 1: right through you. It wasn't a dream. You were there.
Speaker 1: The astrol cop was there, and he was throwing punches
Speaker 1: at you and you just weren't feeling it. It's just
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to wrap your head around how
Speaker 1: that could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to wrap your hand around it. Well,
Speaker 3: I think too, I think what it could be? Uh
Speaker 3: what help is? Think about as a like we we
Speaker 3: are physical right now, We're in a physical body, and
Speaker 3: when we touched things in the physical, these things, these
Speaker 3: objects in the physical, they're vibrant at the same frequency,
Speaker 3: so there's solid to us. We cannot put our hands
Speaker 3: through the table, you know, it's it's a hard surface.
Speaker 3: But when we are out of body in this non
Speaker 3: physical format, like I can touch my table in my room,
Speaker 3: and I can actually put my hand through the table.
Speaker 3: I can still feel that it's an object, that can
Speaker 3: feel the surface of it. But if I press I'll
Speaker 3: actually be able to put my hand through it. So
Speaker 3: we are a bit like a ghost, but not a
Speaker 3: ghost like made of air that just kind of like
Speaker 3: just disappears and appears. It's a bit more solid, But
Speaker 3: it depends on the frequency that you're occupying, the dimension
Speaker 3: that you're in, you know, the vibrations of that dimension
Speaker 3: and the vibrations of the body that you're having in
Speaker 3: that moment. It is complicated stuff.
Speaker 2: For sure, he was punching in his hands were going
Speaker 2: through you. Was were you maybe in a physical dimension
Speaker 2: where he was like we are now here? That makes sense,
Speaker 2: so like, yeah, he couldn't put his hand through the
Speaker 2: table sort of thing, but since you were astra he
Speaker 2: could put his hand through you. Do that makes sense
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 3: It is asking, Yeah, though it makes a lot of
Speaker 3: a lot of sense. And to be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know everything, Like I don't know why he's
Speaker 3: his hand went through me. I was surprised. But I
Speaker 3: also know that sometimes I got a body, and I
Speaker 3: have a body, and sometimes I don't have a body.
Speaker 3: So sometimes I look down and there's nothing and it's
Speaker 3: I'm just a point of awareness in space, and sometimes
Speaker 3: I have a body. Sometimes I look myself in the
Speaker 3: mirror and I see something. I see someone not necessarily mean.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it can be different to me than a parrelel
Speaker 3: dimensions weird. Sometimes I can see myself it's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Sometimes I look myself in the mirror, but I see
Speaker 3: through me. I'll see the see in the background, as
Speaker 3: if I don't even exist. What I've what I've seen
Speaker 3: is that a lot of times when I when I
Speaker 3: look at my hands, which is one of the reality checks,
Speaker 3: is look at your hands to see if you're you know,
Speaker 3: you have five fingers, because then you know, okay, if
Speaker 3: you have five fingers and they look normal for the
Speaker 3: most part, you're going to be in the physical But
Speaker 3: if you have weird looking fingers, then you are most
Speaker 3: likely in no physical environment. Now it often happens to
Speaker 3: me is that when I take out my hands, I
Speaker 3: don't even have hands. I just I'm used to it
Speaker 3: from the physical, from being a human, that I'm supposed
Speaker 3: to have hands. But in a all physical I do
Speaker 3: like this, and I don't see them. But because I'm
Speaker 3: focusing on having hands, I can see how they start
Speaker 3: to grow out, like I see my palm growing out,
Speaker 3: and I can see my fingers popping out one by one,
Speaker 3: like and then I have hands because I projected them,
Speaker 3: like you can create things in these dimensions with your consciousness.
Speaker 3: Your consciousness is extremely creative in that. And that kind
Speaker 3: of brings me to the other point I wanted to
Speaker 3: make about the original question, which is entities and all that. Yep,
Speaker 3: your consciousness is going to be a very important sort
Speaker 3: of starting point for your experiences. The background you have,
Speaker 3: your knowledge, the way you see reality in stead of being,
Speaker 3: it's going to have a past impact. So if you're
Speaker 3: somebody that has a lot of steer, if you're someone
Speaker 3: that has been assuming a lot of fearful content about
Speaker 3: ass projection, or you're super religious and you think this
Speaker 3: is a sin and that the devil is going to
Speaker 3: come in after you, or that there's demons to come
Speaker 3: in after you, it's very possible that you're going to
Speaker 3: create that kind of experience for yourself because your consciousness
Speaker 3: isn't separate from the experiences. You can see that in
Speaker 3: the physical. You can see how in the physical manifestation
Speaker 3: works like that. You know, you can focus on something
Speaker 3: like a car or something that you want to happen,
Speaker 3: and then that would then appear in your physical reality,
Speaker 3: usually with some sort of delay, usually take maybe hours, weeks,
Speaker 3: years for you to manifest the thing that you've been
Speaker 3: focusing on. Now, in these non physical realities, you can
Speaker 3: manifest things very quickly. They just happen very instantly.
Speaker 1: Right right, So it goes back to always creating your
Speaker 1: own reality in that world there is no veil, so
Speaker 1: you can manifest much more immediately than you can in
Speaker 1: this swe dimensional world. Take the answer about whether there
Speaker 1: are dark endies out there as a check, Yes, there
Speaker 1: are first, but it's really dependent on your mindset. So
Speaker 1: if there's that such a thing, and I totally get
Speaker 1: why there would be entities like that, how do you
Speaker 1: protect it? Well, you mentioned that we were indestructible, so
Speaker 1: it really is known. Is there a need for protection
Speaker 1: or is there something we need to do or prepare
Speaker 1: ourselves other than think good thoughts before we start doing
Speaker 1: this stuff? Well, yeah, so there's still los so much
Speaker 1: to say about this. So one other thing is that
Speaker 1: thinking good thoughts can not necessarily That doesn't necessarily work
Speaker 1: because you can think good thoughts on the surface, on
Speaker 1: the conscious level, but on the subconscious level, you might
Speaker 1: have a lot of fears and limits and beliefs and
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff lingering there which you might not
Speaker 1: know of or you might know. Obviously, you kind of
Speaker 1: go deeper with yourself, so it's very important to deal
Speaker 1: with that kind of stuff, to be honest.
Speaker 3: When I learned about these things, but when I learn
Speaker 3: about ass projection, the first experiences I've had were very pleasant.
Speaker 3: There is no there's there's nothing negative of anything. I've
Speaker 3: started to have more weird experiences when I started reading
Speaker 3: about the weird stuff online. That's when I start to
Speaker 3: have more weird experiences. Uh. And I've seen that there
Speaker 3: is a connection between the things that you think, the
Speaker 3: things that you worry about, your fears, and the experiences
Speaker 3: that you will have. And I've also started to see
Speaker 3: how there's this you know, there's this mechanism of consciousness
Speaker 3: to take you on a spiritual journey to get you
Speaker 3: to heal, to get you to evolve. And you know
Speaker 3: how how consciousness works, Like as soon as there is
Speaker 3: fear in your physical reality, Uh, then consciousness arranges itself
Speaker 3: so that you can face that fear, so that you
Speaker 3: can overcome that fear, so you can hear heal that fear.
Speaker 3: We are constantly taken on a journey of healing. And so,
Speaker 3: mister Sam in these others, if you have a bunch
Speaker 3: of fears or worries, you will be taken onto experiences
Speaker 3: that will challenge those fears and will essentially help you
Speaker 3: to over I mean it's that they're mate so that
Speaker 3: you're supposed to overcome them. You're supposed to kind of
Speaker 3: look at them and kind of laugh at them. You know,
Speaker 3: see a demon let's trying to attack you. Instead of
Speaker 3: being like, oh my god, it's real, I'm going to die,
Speaker 3: it's just kind of like, ah, I don't believe in
Speaker 3: you go away, and they kind of vaporize.
Speaker 1: Apparently our dog wants to get involved in the conversation
Speaker 1: as well, probably saw one of the entities and he's
Speaker 1: trying to ward it off.
Speaker 2: Right now, how they say animals are very sensitive.
Speaker 1: Yeah they are. Yeah, So what you're saying makes so
Speaker 1: much sense. Now, I just wish I had not read
Speaker 1: Bob and wrote the book, because that's what I hadn't
Speaker 1: thought of dark entities until I read his darn book.
Speaker 3: Now that's all I could think about. Well, but it's okay,
Speaker 3: because you know, if the really cool thing about it
Speaker 3: is that think about it this way. To me, the
Speaker 3: way I look at it is that physical reality is
Speaker 3: it's way more dangerous than non physical realities. Why. Well,
Speaker 3: because in a physical reality, if you are in a
Speaker 3: situation that you don't want to be, if you're perhaps
Speaker 3: you're going down a dark alley and someone wants to
Speaker 3: rob you or do something bad to you in that moment.
Speaker 3: In the physical reality, you're gonna have to fight, or
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to run, or it's tricky and you
Speaker 3: can get hurt. You can even die. Maybe you get
Speaker 3: run by a car that hits you and you get
Speaker 3: really injured and your physical body dies and came over
Speaker 3: in the physical realm. But if you're out of body
Speaker 3: having these experiences, which by the way, you're having all
Speaker 3: the time when you're sleeping anyway, non consciously, unconsciously. When
Speaker 3: you are, then let's say in a place that you
Speaker 3: don't want to be, maybe you're seeing some weird entity
Speaker 3: that is coming towards you or whatever, you can just
Speaker 3: think about returning back to the body. You can just
Speaker 3: think about your room, or think about, oh, I want
Speaker 3: to go home now, and boom, witness in me a second.
Speaker 3: You're now waking up in your bed and you're completely
Speaker 3: safe and sound. There's nothing, nothing bad happening to you.
Speaker 3: So any weird experience that you don't like, you can
Speaker 3: just come back in to your comfort of your home
Speaker 3: and your pajamas and just be completely comfortable and safe.
Speaker 3: How often can we do that in the physical You know,
Speaker 3: you're in somewhere you don't want to be, and then
Speaker 3: you're just like, oh, I want to go home, and
Speaker 3: then you're back in your in your house, safe and sound.
Speaker 3: That doesn't happen. You have to go home somehow, right,
Speaker 3: it will be nice. So we have stuper powers. When
Speaker 3: we're out of body. We can teleport basically, we can fly.
Speaker 3: We can fly, we can go through walls, we can
Speaker 3: do things that we cannot do with our physical bodies.
Speaker 3: Because of that, we are sort of like superhuman. And
Speaker 3: in this about a state, you have a question here.
Speaker 2: You want me to go nod because I know what
Speaker 2: you want to ask, so the ahead.
Speaker 3: Okay, that all sounds great.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I know that I met some certain parties
Speaker 1: that I really wish I was home. You know, you
Speaker 1: kind of have to kind of have to be there,
Speaker 1: but you have to just sit there and bear it.
Speaker 1: It's probably some some work functions. But that all sounds
Speaker 1: understandable completely.
Speaker 3: I get it. It, Yeah, makes sense, And I would
Speaker 3: like to before you go on to the next question,
Speaker 3: I would like to just share a little story just
Speaker 3: to hit it home a little bit better for some people. Okay,
Speaker 3: because there is there is not enough information about this stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, it's there's a lot of misconceptions. So a
Speaker 3: lot of times people see dark figures and it can
Speaker 3: be it can be very confusing and also can be
Speaker 3: very scary if you don't know what it is sometimes. Right. So,
Speaker 3: so a friend of mine went out of body and
Speaker 3: in the kitchen saw this dark figure in the corner,
Speaker 3: and for the most part, most people just get scared
Speaker 3: at that point and and no, thank you, come back
Speaker 3: to the body and just go, oh my god, there's
Speaker 3: a demon in my kitchen. I have to sell the house. Yes,
Speaker 3: right now, exactly what my thought process was tonight. We
Speaker 3: can't stay yeah, exactly now. Luckily, this guy had a
Speaker 3: very different mindset. He was very open minded, which is
Speaker 3: one of the key things you want to be with this.
Speaker 3: And he was like, there's a dark looking figure in
Speaker 3: my in the corner of my kitchen. I wonder what
Speaker 3: it is. So he goes closer to this figure, and
Speaker 3: as he gets closer, he then realizes that because this
Speaker 3: this this darkness starts to kind of disappear and he
Speaker 3: now sees clearly what it is, and it was his son.
Speaker 3: And his son was having not a bad experience. Oh, well,
Speaker 3: he was sleeping in the other room, and now he's
Speaker 3: having an interesting conversation with his son, a little kind
Speaker 3: of back and forth daddy and son kind of conversation,
Speaker 3: and it's a beautiful experience. The next day he wakes
Speaker 3: up or he wakes up from the experience and he's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I had this experience, goes and talk
Speaker 3: to his son. His son didn't remember anything of that, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: but for him that was a beautiful experience. So he
Speaker 3: came back from the experience going, oh my god, this
Speaker 3: was amazing. I met my son out of body in
Speaker 3: the kitchen. He's beautiful. And the only difference if you
Speaker 3: look at this, like the difference is what filters you
Speaker 3: put on to the experience. You know, do you go
Speaker 3: into fear sort of way because you don't know where
Speaker 3: it is and you discard it as something scary, or
Speaker 3: do you go into like open mindedness and you kind
Speaker 3: of go and find out what it is. And this
Speaker 3: is what happens a lot of times as well, that
Speaker 3: people just kind of freak out and they run away
Speaker 3: and they report something negative. A lot of times there
Speaker 3: could be something completely different than you and you think, right,
Speaker 3: So instead of going into it with fear, maybe your
Speaker 3: suggestion is to go into it with curiosity. That makes sense, yes, curiosity,
Speaker 3: open mindedness.
Speaker 2: Love.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that we do with our
Speaker 3: students is before the practice while in the practice, when
Speaker 3: they're starting the process, is to focus on filling themselves
Speaker 3: with love so that that raises their vibration to this
Speaker 3: vacancy of love. And it's also one of the protective
Speaker 3: mechanism that you can use when you're out if you
Speaker 3: are experiencing like some sort of negative anths that they
Speaker 3: don't want to talk to. Now you you can project
Speaker 3: your love out to that being or fill yourself with
Speaker 3: love and for the most part, that will just dissolve.
Speaker 3: They'll just kind of disappear away. I'd love it. You're
Speaker 3: helping me to get over my fear. So maybe that
Speaker 3: could start doing this.
Speaker 2: And that's a great tip for anybody listening too, if
Speaker 2: they're kind of starting to explore a little bit, just
Speaker 2: you know, fill yourself with love and besides feeling good,
Speaker 2: it'll protect you as well.
Speaker 1: All Right, Florentine, let's get to the nitty of it.
Speaker 1: Now that we're getting closer to the end of the show.
Speaker 1: What's the best way for someone to experience something as
Speaker 1: miraculous as an out of body experience? What's the best way?
Speaker 3: Well, the best way I would say is to work
Speaker 3: with somebody that has done it and that can show
Speaker 3: you the way because it is a confusing journey and
Speaker 3: as you can sell by this just conversation, there's so
Speaker 3: many details to it. So if you're trying to figure
Speaker 3: this out on your own, you're most likely going to
Speaker 3: get stuck quite a few times on the on the journey.
Speaker 3: So it's it's really helpful to have somebody that you're
Speaker 3: going to be spending time with, asking your questions, doing
Speaker 3: the practice, and then asking more questions, and that back
Speaker 3: and forth is really really key because this is a
Speaker 3: it's a very it's a very serious practice. You don't
Speaker 3: want to just like throw yourself in there with not
Speaker 3: knowing what you're doing. You want to have somebody help
Speaker 3: you with that process. So that's what I would say. Now,
Speaker 3: are you looking for to to know some techniques or
Speaker 3: some tricks like that, or if it's.
Speaker 1: And we're going to I know that you teach a
Speaker 1: class on this. You've helped hundreds of people to achieve
Speaker 1: these results. In by the way, you're going to gain
Speaker 1: another student here shortly after the show. Oh no, Karen,
Speaker 1: We're going to add the links to your program directly.
Speaker 3: On the show notes.
Speaker 1: So if you're interested to grow skepticmposician dot com, go
Speaker 1: to his episode page. You'll see the link there directly
Speaker 1: laid in for you, so it's easy for you to
Speaker 1: access it. But if someone wasn't ready to reach out
Speaker 1: to you to talk to you about getting into your program,
Speaker 1: is there anything that you can provide, any tips on
Speaker 1: how to prepare themselves for doing something like this or
Speaker 1: even maybe achieving a small moncum of success with it
Speaker 1: before reaching out to you.
Speaker 3: So I would say, before reaching out to me, there's
Speaker 3: nothing you have to do, because we rework on everything
Speaker 3: from the beginning with the program that I've created, because
Speaker 3: that was the whole idea. It was like, Okay, I've
Speaker 3: discovered something amazing. I want to show this with the world.
Speaker 3: People don't believe me when I tell them about this,
Speaker 3: so the only way to share with them is to
Speaker 3: make them have the experience themselves by teaching them how
Speaker 3: to do it from the beginning. So I knew that
Speaker 3: I wasn't the gifted person. When I started this, I
Speaker 3: wasn't a master meditator, and I know that the people
Speaker 3: going to teach or the wayst I thought of it, it
Speaker 3: was like, I want to teach someone like me that
Speaker 3: is not gifted. You know, superhero at this stuff doesn't
Speaker 3: meditate for make sure for years. So how do I
Speaker 3: help that person? From step one? You know, what do
Speaker 3: they have to do? So we covered all of that
Speaker 3: with the program and there's nothing you really have to
Speaker 3: do before that. In the program, we work on in
Speaker 3: the beginning, we talk about what it is that you're
Speaker 3: going to do, you know, how this stuff works, to
Speaker 3: what to expect, and it's we talk about the mindset.
Speaker 3: We talk about different blockages they might have, and we
Speaker 3: work with healers and hypo therapists to to help you
Speaker 3: overcome some blockages that you might have. Like if you
Speaker 3: know you have a fear of going out a body,
Speaker 3: we need to work on that. You can't have that
Speaker 3: fear and practice it because it's not going to work.
Speaker 3: You're gonna you're going to stop yourself, like your subconscious
Speaker 3: knows when you're ready for these different steps. And that's
Speaker 3: another thing that I didn't mention before. But it's almost
Speaker 3: like there is a safety mechanism built in place the
Speaker 3: whole time. You will not be taken too far if
Speaker 3: you're not ready for it. You'll be taken to you know,
Speaker 3: as far as you're ready. So a lot of times
Speaker 3: people might have given fear to get out of body
Speaker 3: in the first place. And so if you have that
Speaker 3: fear when you're in that state and you started to
Speaker 3: get close, you'll then feel free, fearful, and then it
Speaker 3: will stop, so you won't be able to get out
Speaker 3: if you have that fear. So then we have to
Speaker 3: be incorporated, you know, a solutions that which is working
Speaker 3: the therapist to help you overcome those fears so that
Speaker 3: you then can feel relaxed and so you can get
Speaker 3: into this state. And then the program continues with videos
Speaker 3: on teaching the three main methods of how to get
Speaker 3: a body you know. The first method is a way
Speaker 3: to do it through dreaming to become conscious that you're dreaming,
Speaker 3: and the you can transition from a dream into naster projection.
Speaker 3: The second one is one of one of the more
Speaker 3: powerful one which is in when you're going to sleep.
Speaker 3: There is a special soundtrack that have created that wakes
Speaker 3: you up just enough staate you to form some sort
Speaker 3: of techniques that can then take you out a body
Speaker 3: from sleep from some waking up from sleep. And then
Speaker 3: the third one is of course through deep meditation. We
Speaker 3: meditate yourself into this very very deep state where then
Speaker 3: can get a body. So we teach all of these
Speaker 3: different methods and we teach that with videos and we
Speaker 3: have soundtracks, special soundtrack for each method. And then we
Speaker 3: have the coaching, of course, which is so key. That's
Speaker 3: where you can ask questions personal questions about your situation,
Speaker 3: how you are doing the practice, and how you have
Speaker 3: to change the practice it's more successful for you. So
Speaker 3: that that's how the program works. And if you wanted
Speaker 3: to prepare anything for the program, if you felt if
Speaker 3: you still feel like, oh I still want to do
Speaker 3: some sort of work before this program, then I recommend
Speaker 3: watching our video. We have a video on the website
Speaker 3: that is about half an hour long that goes through
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff like this. And another one is
Speaker 3: to meditate, to learn how to meditate, so learn how
Speaker 3: to concentrate your mind on one thing very important for
Speaker 3: the practice. That's how we get more control over where
Speaker 3: we go and what we.
Speaker 2: Do great get starting points.
Speaker 1: So the very best way to learn how to ask
Speaker 1: to project is to reach out to Florentine Unita and
Speaker 1: join his accelerator program because he's going to walk you through.
Speaker 1: He's going to hold your hand and walk you through
Speaker 1: every step of the process safely. So people like me
Speaker 1: who are afraid of and counting end of these or
Speaker 1: dark ended easer beings that maybe don't want me out there,
Speaker 1: you can help us through it. So that's great, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm sold, you sold me.
Speaker 3: I'm on board.
Speaker 1: But we're going to add direct links to that program
Speaker 1: in our show notes. Like I mentioned earlier, we're also
Speaker 1: going to add links to your social media so people
Speaker 1: can reach out to you. If they're so inclined. Go
Speaker 1: to skepticmanephosition dot com so you can connect with Florentine directly.
Speaker 1: If you have any questions about astro projection, he's the
Speaker 1: man to go to. You can certainly come to us,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to be able to answer him.
Speaker 3: So we'll tell you where to go. Yeah, in a
Speaker 3: good way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where to go, and I'll tell you where to
Speaker 2: find some answers.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, Allia Florentina. It's been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show and
Speaker 1: sharing your wisdom with us.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much for having me and
Speaker 3: looking forward to see you in the Asstow soon. It
Speaker 3: sounds good to me. Yeah, we have a party.
Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: I hope you've enjoyed this episode as much as we have.
Speaker 3: That's all for now.
Speaker 1: We'll see you on the next episode of Dyskeptic Metaphysicians.
Speaker 3: Until then, take care of