WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.920 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:35.560 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:43.840 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Brian. Brian, 6 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:48.079 welcome to the show. Well, thank you, Oh you're welcome. 7 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:51.920 We just appreciate you being here. Brian, Please give us 8 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:53.480 a brief bio on yourself. 9 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.040 Newly retired, well not too newly retired. Spent thirty six 10 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:05.840 years working in the health care industry. Various many other 11 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.759 things that I've done could fill ten lifetimes. I think 12 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:15.039 I live in a very small village in Ohio, and 13 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.120 that's where I've had my experience. 14 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:20.199 Working in the healthcare field. As long as you did, 15 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:23.400 did you relb elbows with any people who worked in 16 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:27.439 the mental health side of the health field? I e. 17 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.319 People you could lean on if your encounters that we're 18 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.680 going to talk about tonight became too much for you 19 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:36.919 to deal with. Oh yeah, well, well that's a definite perk. 20 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.479 Then in our first conversation, Brian, you told me that 21 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.599 when you see a dog man, it has a way 22 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.439 of changing your view of the world. Please expand on 23 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:48.439 that for us, well. 24 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:53.000 Vic, these things aren't supposed to exist. You know, we're 25 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:56.919 told growing up that monsters aren't real, at least I was. 26 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.000 And then when you see something that's not supposed to 27 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:06.960 exist and you're trying to understand what it is you're 28 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.360 looking at and grasp what it is you're looking at, 29 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:15.360 it changes your perception on everything. It just does your 30 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:19.840 perception on you know, I've been a very outdoor type person. 31 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:27.039 I've enjoyed hiking, hunting, camping, you name it, I've pretty 32 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:33.319 well done it. And when that occurs, when you see one, 33 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:41.159 it changes your outdoor activities. At least it did for 34 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:43.479 me for a long time. 35 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:48.400 Yeah, that's totally understandable. Yeah, up until then, up until 36 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.960 you realize that these guys were out there, you're living 37 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:52.919 a lie, and then all of a sudden, when that 38 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.319 lie was revealed to you, Yeah, it is going to 39 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:58.840 change your period time. I mean, if dogmen are out there, 40 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.479 what else is out there we're told isn't out there. 41 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:06.520 So that's totally understandable. It really is now that you 42 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.759 realize that dog men are reality. Most parents tell their 43 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:14.240 children that monsters aren't real. But if you were to 44 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:20.000 have a child tomorrow or children plural after this point 45 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:23.879 in time, once they got to be old enough to 46 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:28.360 actually understand things that you were telling them, maybe not deeply, 47 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.720 but somewhat understand the things that you're trying to relate 48 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:34.879 to them about how the world works. Are you the 49 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.920 mindset that it's a good idea to still tell them 50 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:40.800 that monsters don't exist now that you know things like 51 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.000 dogmen are out there, or would you tell them the truth? 52 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.279 Well, they kind of have a thirteen year old son, 53 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:51.279 and I told him that these things are real, that 54 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:55.360 there are things out there that you won't understand, that 55 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.560 you think that people saying aren't real. That actually are 56 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:06.240 my oldest children. They were around for my first encounter, 57 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:08.920 and they have children of their own. I have grandchildren, 58 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:14.600 so they know and what they tell their children. I 59 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.079 know a few of them have been told, the older ones. 60 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:24.000 But I told him, you know, at least my son 61 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.079 I always told him. I said, don't worry. Everything's okay. 62 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.560 You know, Dad's the monster killer. It'll be okay. You know, 63 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:34.600 don't be afraid. When you go to sleep, everything's all right. 64 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:36.079 We're good. 65 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:41.639 Dad's the monster killer. I love that that's great when 66 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:43.959 you told him the truth about all this? How did 67 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:44.639 he respond? 68 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:52.079 Questions? Lots of questions. And the best I could do 69 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:55.040 was I live in the same area that I had 70 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.800 my encounter, and he and I have walked that way 71 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.959 many times, and I said, this is where it happened. 72 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.000 You know, be cautious when you're outside, Be cautious when 73 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.839 you're when you're walking, Be cautious when you're playing with 74 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.319 your friends. Don't go walking alone. He's got his uh. 75 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.879 Since it's kind of funny. His nephew isn't a year 76 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:20.600 older than him, and they're like best friends, and they 77 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.240 take walks together quite a bit. They go down to 78 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:27.839 the local creek and I've told them many times, you know, 79 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.600 I need to take your phone. You've got x amount 80 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.480 of time, you know, twenty minutes, I want you home, 81 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:37.879 half an hour, I want a phone call, whatever the 82 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:41.720 case may be. And you don't. You don't veer from 83 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:43.759 this path. This is what you do. This is where 84 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:45.920 you go, and this is when you come back. And 85 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:51.000 there's reasons I do that same thing with, you know, summertime, 86 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:52.560 they want to play hide and seek in the dark, 87 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:55.879 and I'm like, no, nope, you guys aren't splitting up, 88 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.800 none of you because there might be ten kids out 89 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:03.519 there and they're all running around and I'm like, no, that's 90 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.480 not you know, don't give me any more great hair 91 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.480 than when I already have. Let's not do that. Let's 92 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:13.519 just let's just, you know, stick to the yard, you know, 93 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:16.360 Let's not do it at night and go from there. 94 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.399 It's hard enough to raise children in this day and age. 95 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:23.399 I can only imagine how much it's complicated doing that 96 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:25.560 for you when you know the dogmen are out there. 97 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:27.680 Kids are going to be kids. I don't need to 98 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:30.480 tell you that. You already know that, but kids are 99 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:31.959 going to be kids. They're going to want to go 100 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.040 out and play hide and seek and play in the 101 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.040 woods and all of that. We used to do that 102 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:38.800 sort of thing and take it for granted and never 103 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:41.639 a second thought. But now that you know dogmen are 104 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:43.879 out there and you've got children that want to do 105 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.839 those things, I can only imagine what you must go through. 106 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.079 Like I said, it just it can't be easy. 107 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:53.959 It makes it tough some days, especially when they're really 108 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.360 wanting to go out or I go with them, you 109 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:00.160 want to hick a walk in the woods, fine, and 110 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.000 let's all go. It's not as much fun because you know, 111 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:08.839 Dad and grandpa's there. But you know, hey, you can 112 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:11.639 go here, here and here. I'll sit on the stump 113 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.519 over here, don't go far. 114 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:16.959 Yeah, well, it's understandable why you do that. You're just 115 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:21.600 looking out for their well being. It's totally understandable. Now, 116 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.879 I'm glad that you told your youngest son about the 117 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:28.720 reality of dog men, but that's obviously some pretty heavy 118 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.079 stuff to lay on the kids shoulders. Is that young 119 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:35.679 Was he compromised by that knowledge? 120 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:42.559 No, you know, growing up, I've always told him that 121 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:50.200 even from a younger age, you have to understand that 122 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.120 the world that we live in sometimes it's not all 123 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:56.960 about just what you see, it's what you don't see. 124 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:04.679 So he's he's under stood that it's something that just 125 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:09.320 like growing up. You know, I've seen black bear here, 126 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.440 I've tracked a mountain lion for I don't know about 127 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:18.240 a month or so. That being said, I've told him, 128 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.360 you know, you have to be aware of your surroundings 129 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:26.120 and that's it. Just just be aware. If something doesn't 130 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.480 feel right, that's your gut telling you that you need 131 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.799 to leave and come home. If you don't feel comfortable, 132 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.600 you know, walking this path, don't go that path, go 133 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:38.960 another path, or just get home. Call me. I'll meet you. 134 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:42.879 Always carry your phone with you, that's the number one rule. 135 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:47.600 And don't go someplace that you're not familiar with. That's 136 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:48.440 the best I can do. 137 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:51.919 Yeah, that's always really good advice to be aware of 138 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:56.759 your surroundings. You had your first encounter in the first 139 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:59.799 week of December in two thousand and five. Before that, 140 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.799 so did you even know what a dog man was? 141 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:07.120 Never heard of anything like that, No such thing, Never 142 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.879 heard that term, never thought for a moment that there 143 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.480 was something like this out there. The first time I 144 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:26.240 heard the term dog man was twenty sixteen at they 145 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:30.799 had a dog man symposium and Defiance, Ohio, and I 146 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:36.200 went there and I met quite a few people, and 147 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:42.240 then to Godfrey le Blackburn, Johnny ol Tenney, just to 148 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.320 name a few, and got to listen to what their 149 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:50.480 research had said. I actually called and talked to Linda 150 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:54.440 a couple of different times, but up until then, never 151 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:55.080 heard the term. 152 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.840 If you didn't even know about dogmen for that experience, 153 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:00.919 then that made it to have even more of an 154 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:02.559 impact on you. 155 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:03.240 Yes, I did. 156 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.600 I'm sure if you've had a dog mean encounter, I 157 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.519 would like to speak with me about it, whether I'm 158 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.200 private or on the show. Please go to Dogmanencounters dot 159 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:18.320 com and submit a report. All right, Brian, please tell 160 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:20.720 us about your encounters now. I give us every last 161 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.000 detail that comes to mind. 162 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:29.120 Just like you said. It happened in December two thousand 163 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:33.360 and five, the first or second week of December. It 164 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.559 was cold in December, but we hadn't had much snow 165 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:43.080 tracing maybe a little more, not much. My then wife 166 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.360 and I were sound asleep and we lost Our bedroom 167 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.039 was on the back of the house and had French 168 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:53.360 doors that opened out into the backyard. And I had 169 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:57.440 a very large dog who was a wolf mallem you breed, 170 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:04.080 and he was outside and I was sound asleep, and 171 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:09.240 I kept hearing this thunking noise. And I'm a light sleeper, 172 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.559 and after hearing it a few times, I got up 173 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:17.919 and I sleepily walked to the door and pulled the 174 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:21.000 curtain back and looked out the looked out the door 175 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:23.759 and what I was hearing was him walking to the 176 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:27.320 edge of his chain. It's funking his chain and he's 177 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:33.440 never done that okay. I got dressed, grabbed a big 178 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:39.480 flashlight spotlight I like I usually do when I go 179 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:42.279 outside a night regardless, because I thought, well, maybe there's 180 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:45.759 a stray dog or a coyote out there, which is 181 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.320 possible where we live. I grabbed my forty five and 182 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:53.159 tucked it in the back of my pants and I 183 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.279 walked out. And when I got out there, I turned 184 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.559 on my big spotlight that I was carrying, and his 185 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.440 hack were up, his head was down, his tail was down, 186 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:08.879 and he kept funking that chain. And his name was Wolf. 187 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:13.120 And I'm like, oh, if, what are you doing? And 188 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.879 as I got over to him and tried to start 189 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:17.720 petting him to try to get him to calm down, 190 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:23.159 I heard this sound. It's something I will never forget, 191 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:26.519 something I think about every single day. There's not a 192 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:28.759 day that goes by that I don't think about that sound. 193 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:36.000 And when that sound it was, to the best way 194 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.600 I could describe it back then, it was like a 195 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:42.360 Renaissance howl from inside, like a barrel. It had that 196 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.279 Renaissance sound. Now, the town was just putting in new callbts, 197 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.000 and some of them didn't have the tops on him yet. 198 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:54.919 They were you working on this project, and I thought, 199 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.799 perhaps the dog got stuck down in one something happened. 200 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.080 So I just started over to where I knew where 201 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.559 it sounded like it was coming from. It was from 202 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:13.120 where I was living at the time. Until from the 203 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.080 distance from where I was living to where the culvert, 204 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.919 I thought it was at maybe three hundred three d 205 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:25.799 and fifty yards, maybe a shade more. So I crossed 206 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:29.720 the railroad tracks and my parents they lived right on 207 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:31.440 the other side, and I cut down the side of 208 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:35.879 their field into the field behind the house, and I 209 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:38.679 started walking up the field and I heard it again, 210 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.440 and I thought, it doesn't sound like it's coming from 211 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:44.080 over there. It sounded like it was coming from more 212 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:46.039 directly in front of me. Now I was more curious 213 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:48.759 because I'm like, unless they're in a barrow or something, 214 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:53.039 what's making this sound. So I continued to walk until 215 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:57.080 I got to the end of the one field. Now 216 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.919 the field that I had walked, there was a hill 217 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:05.679 that there was a breast of the top of it. 218 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:07.480 I was at the top of the sill that went 219 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.399 down into another smaller field, and then there was a 220 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:19.840 side road and the noise was coming from the woods probably. 221 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.840 It's probably about fifty sixty yards from the road to 222 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:30.679 the north right in front of me, And I looked 223 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:32.679 down at the forty five in my hand, and I'm like, 224 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:36.000 this isn't big enough. It just didn't Something wasn't setting right. 225 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:41.399 I just didn't feel as though that forty five was 226 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:43.960 going to stop whatever it was, because I could tell 227 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.919 then it wasn't a dog and a barrel, because I'm 228 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:54.759 looking down at the neighbor or. The mayor's husband kept 229 00:15:55.240 --> 00:16:00.879 three beagles and they used those ar old houses at 230 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.279 the time. It was a big thing back in the 231 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:08.840 early two thousands, I guess. And it was dead quiet 232 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:13.200 except for this howl and the one dog was trying 233 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.799 to dig through frozen ground to get under his barrel. 234 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:20.480 And that's pretty much what made up my mind to 235 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.840 go back and get something a little bit bigger. So 236 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:26.320 I alsoed back to the house and I opened up 237 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.799 my gun cabinet safe and I pulled out on HK 238 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:35.559 ninety one, and on that rifle. I had a night vision. Now, 239 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.759 back then it was atn and it was a first gen. 240 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.000 They worked better when there was ambient light. You could 241 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.080 see better, but they weren't fantastic, but hey, it was 242 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.559 civilian market and that's what you could get. So I 243 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.080 grabbed that. And when I opened up the cabinet and 244 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:55.879 I grabbed the magazine, and my then wife woke up 245 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:57.679 and asked me what I was doing, and I said, listen, 246 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.480 there's something out there. And I said, I have no 247 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.240 idea what it is, and I need to go find out. 248 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:05.960 I said, this thing is not right, something's not right. 249 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.680 So she followed me out to the deck on the 250 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:13.480 back of the house and she goes, why are you 251 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:15.160 going out here and doing this. I said, there's something 252 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:16.640 out there, and I need to know what it is. 253 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:18.960 I said this. I said, maybe it's an animal hurt. 254 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:24.000 Maybe it's something else. I said, maybe someone's screwing around 255 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:30.920 that thing. It howled again, and she looked at me 256 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.519 and said, oh my god, what is that noise? And 257 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.440 she's backed up to the house because about to the door, 258 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:38.440 and she stood down and she goes and she was 259 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:43.039 from the city. She was born and raised in a 260 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:45.920 large city. And when I told her where I lived, 261 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.359 I said, no, you'll pass a homage buggy. You could. 262 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:52.799 I said, yahmih you're out here all the time. And sure, enough. 263 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.519 Her first time out here, she passed a Homage buggy 264 00:17:55.839 --> 00:18:00.640 on the major own coming out to visit, so she 265 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:06.799 had no idea. She wasn't you know, coyotes and you know, 266 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.599 bears yelling or cougar screaming. You know, those things aren't 267 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:12.559 something that she was going to ever be used to. 268 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.559 And I said, I'll be back, and I had my 269 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:23.519 I had a million power handle spotlight, and I started 270 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:28.279 back to where I was at. I got there, and 271 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:31.759 I went ahead and dropped down that hill, walked down 272 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:34.960 there and walked across that field. I crossed the road, 273 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:40.039 stepped over the ditch line, and walked past those dogs. 274 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:46.039 So I'm about thirty yards maybe from the woods, and 275 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.839 I'm just standing there and I'm shining this light kind 276 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.759 of looking around, and I had to. If you know firearms, 277 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:55.680 you hold on to the it was all these have 278 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:58.119 a pistol grip on it with a stock, so I 279 00:18:58.160 --> 00:18:59.960 had it holding onto the pistol grip and I had 280 00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:02.599 it kind of standing in the cook of my arm 281 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.880 and I'm just shining this spotlight, looking around and trying 282 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:14.119 to figure out what that noise is. Well, then suddenly 283 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:18.960 there was this sound of something tearing through the woods. 284 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:24.240 I mean it was just branches breaking. I could, I could. 285 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:28.200 I could hear the trees just you know, the sound 286 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:32.880 that the branches are snapping and softer branches moving. I 287 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:36.359 dropped the spotlight and I slammed the bolt shut on 288 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:39.839 this rifle. Now, if you're familiar with this brand of rifle, 289 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:45.680 this HK, the bolt that closes is on the opposite side. 290 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.119 It's on the left hand side. And when you hit 291 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.759 it with your palm and it slams shut, it makes 292 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:54.880 a pretty stout noise, especially when it's dead of night. 293 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:59.160 There's no other noise that you can hear. Well. As 294 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:05.000 soon as I did, that thing stopped. It stopped. It 295 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:10.359 stopped running, stopped moving. And now I'm more curious because 296 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.839 I'm like, Okay, it recognized the sound of a bolt, 297 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:19.119 but what is it? So I I looking at the woods. 298 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:22.680 I reached down and I picked that spotlight back up, 299 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:30.359 and I just want to see what made the sound. 300 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:32.880 You know, what what is this? You know, as there 301 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.319 is there somebody running through the woods or someone screwing around, 302 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.559 it sounded big. I'm like, I don't know. So I'm 303 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:47.200 signing the flashlight. This the spotlight, and having hunted and stuff, 304 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.559 I'm looking about four feet off the ground and I'm 305 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.960 just shining that thing from left to right and I 306 00:20:54.000 --> 00:21:02.160 get probably H'm like exactly what angle would be, probably 307 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:06.319 sixty or seventy degrees from my center, and I thought, okay, 308 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:08.519 that's not over there. I'm going to shine it back 309 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:10.599 this way, and I started bringing it back from right 310 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:16.400 to left. Well, I raised a god knows what reason 311 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:18.759 I raised the spotlight up there. Toward the end, I 312 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:20.240 kind of raised it up and was looking up in 313 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:22.079 a tree in case something climbed up in a tree. 314 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.920 And as I brought it back to almost dead center 315 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:35.160 of me, there are these eyes. The best way to 316 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:39.720 describe me as they're red, and they're staring right at me, 317 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.319 seven maybe a little over seven feet tall, and I'm 318 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:54.440 looking at something that should not exist. I'm watching it breathe. 319 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:56.519 I see the steam coming out of its mouth, and 320 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:02.960 it has this head for better for better description, that 321 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:08.440 looked like a large German shepherd. I think I told 322 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:11.559 you that the best way I could describe what I'm 323 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:14.799 looking at was In the mid early to mid eighties, 324 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.400 there was a show on TV called I think it 325 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:24.920 was Werewolf with Jack Palance, and that's what this head 326 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:30.880 looked like. This thing is now, it's pushing down this 327 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:35.920 branch of a pine tree with hands. I'm looking about 328 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:42.200 from chest up, and it's just it's locked gaze with me. 329 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:50.920 It seemed like it was forever it did. I'm looking 330 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:55.519 at it. It's looking at me. There was I'm trying 331 00:22:55.559 --> 00:23:01.240 to decide and understand what I'm looking at. This shouldn't exist. 332 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.359 I'd been asked why I didn't shoot. Honestly, I never 333 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:09.519 even thought about it. It wasn't even a thought in 334 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:13.279 my mind to aim at this thing and shoot. I 335 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:16.559 was there's no time to be afraid. But I'm just 336 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:21.000 trying to understand what it is. I'm looking at it. Probably, 337 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:27.119 I guess we probably locked eyes maybe twenty seconds. It 338 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:35.799 turned its head to my left. It's right now from 339 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:42.960 where it was standing. It was probably thirty yards of 340 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:48.559 flatter ground. Still got to go through the woods, some trees, 341 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:53.000 and then it was all uphill from there, maybe forty 342 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:55.759 yards flat. It's probably one hundred and fifty yards to 343 00:23:55.839 --> 00:24:01.240 the road. That thing turned and ran unlike anything I'd 344 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.559 ever seen before. It ran so fast it hit that 345 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:11.319 road within five seconds, I heard it hit the gravel. 346 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:19.000 The gravel some was frozen, some was new, and that's it. 347 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.039 I didn't know what I was looking at. I had 348 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:27.200 no idea what I had just seen or witnessed. After 349 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:32.319 standing there for another minute or two, I turned around 350 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:37.680 and headed home. I got home and I walked into 351 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:41.759 the bedroom, and and then my wife asked me what 352 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:46.680 was it? And I said, I honestly, I really don't know. 353 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:54.279 I didn't know what I saw. I couldn't describe to 354 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:58.720 her what I saw. And I said, I've got to 355 00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:00.799 go to sleep. I got to get and go to work. 356 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:03.319 I laid there the rest of the night, just contemplating 357 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:11.960 what I saw. The howling was something that I couldn't 358 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:16.160 get out of my mind. And after a couple of 359 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:23.160 weeks I found the best thing at the time that 360 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:29.519 I had to identify this thing as far as the noise, 361 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.200 the howl. And she walked in and I was in. 362 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:35.759 She walked into the back door. I was in the 363 00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:38.559 front door, or in the front room, the living room, 364 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:40.720 and I told her, I said, just have a seat 365 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:42.160 out there. And I said, tell me, if this is 366 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:46.680 about about what we heard, it maybe close. And I 367 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:51.000 had stopped a movie right at the right spot, and 368 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.039 I turned it on play and she sat down. She goes, 369 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:58.400 that's really that's that's not it, but you know it's close. 370 00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:00.960 I was American wherewith in London where they were on 371 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:04.160 the moors, it was it had that run sound like that. 372 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:12.160 So it was, uh, it was mid January, and we 373 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:16.880 were expecting. They had predicted a snowstorm. We were supposed 374 00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:18.880 to get quite a bit of snow upwards of a foot, 375 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.359 they said. And I took Wolf, and I have a 376 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.519 I had a three car garage, only two bays, which 377 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:31.200 I used. The other bay I had a reloading shop 378 00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:35.400 in and I spent a lot of time out there 379 00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:41.400 reloading different types of ammunition, mostly my own. And I 380 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:43.559 took Wolf inside, and I had a bale of straw 381 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:47.359 for him and put him in there and told him 382 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.160 I'd see him in the morning. This was a Friday night, 383 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:55.039 well Saturday morning. Rolls in the sun had come out 384 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:58.839 some there's probably maybe six or eight inches. You know 385 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.599 a lot of times, and know these forecasters, they can 386 00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:05.640 either get it right or really wrong, and half right, 387 00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:09.039 I guess, And I said, I'm going to go out 388 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.559 and get Wolf out and get him outside so he 389 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:13.960 can do what he needs to do, and go ahead 390 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.680 and feed him. And I walked out the back door 391 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.000 and I stepped down the steps and I got on 392 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.480 the sidewalk because it's a detached garage, and I stopped 393 00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:27.200 because I'm looking at the side of the snow next 394 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.359 to the garage. It's probably, I don't know, ten yards 395 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:38.640 from me, and it's about ten yards from me, and 396 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:43.640 I'm looking at the side of this and it's pressed down. 397 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:49.720 The snow is pressed down. I don't know why that's 398 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:53.759 like that. Well, I started to take another step. I 399 00:27:53.799 --> 00:28:00.880 looked down and there's these tracks in the snow. They 400 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.960 were I don't know, two and a half feet apart, 401 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:15.400