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Speaker 2: welcome to the show. Well, thank you, Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 2: We just appreciate you being here. Brian, Please give us
Speaker 2: a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Newly retired, well not too newly retired. Spent thirty six
Speaker 1: years working in the health care industry. Various many other
Speaker 1: things that I've done could fill ten lifetimes. I think
Speaker 1: I live in a very small village in Ohio, and
Speaker 1: that's where I've had my experience.
Speaker 2: Working in the healthcare field. As long as you did,
Speaker 2: did you relb elbows with any people who worked in
Speaker 2: the mental health side of the health field? I e.
Speaker 2: People you could lean on if your encounters that we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about tonight became too much for you
Speaker 2: to deal with. Oh yeah, well, well that's a definite perk.
Speaker 2: Then in our first conversation, Brian, you told me that
Speaker 2: when you see a dog man, it has a way
Speaker 2: of changing your view of the world. Please expand on
Speaker 2: that for us, well.
Speaker 1: Vic, these things aren't supposed to exist. You know, we're
Speaker 1: told growing up that monsters aren't real, at least I was.
Speaker 1: And then when you see something that's not supposed to
Speaker 1: exist and you're trying to understand what it is you're
Speaker 1: looking at and grasp what it is you're looking at,
Speaker 1: it changes your perception on everything. It just does your
Speaker 1: perception on you know, I've been a very outdoor type person.
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed hiking, hunting, camping, you name it, I've pretty
Speaker 1: well done it. And when that occurs, when you see one,
Speaker 1: it changes your outdoor activities. At least it did for
Speaker 1: me for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally understandable. Yeah, up until then, up until
Speaker 2: you realize that these guys were out there, you're living
Speaker 2: a lie, and then all of a sudden, when that
Speaker 2: lie was revealed to you, Yeah, it is going to
Speaker 2: change your period time. I mean, if dogmen are out there,
Speaker 2: what else is out there we're told isn't out there.
Speaker 2: So that's totally understandable. It really is now that you
Speaker 2: realize that dog men are reality. Most parents tell their
Speaker 2: children that monsters aren't real. But if you were to
Speaker 2: have a child tomorrow or children plural after this point
Speaker 2: in time, once they got to be old enough to
Speaker 2: actually understand things that you were telling them, maybe not deeply,
Speaker 2: but somewhat understand the things that you're trying to relate
Speaker 2: to them about how the world works. Are you the
Speaker 2: mindset that it's a good idea to still tell them
Speaker 2: that monsters don't exist now that you know things like
Speaker 2: dogmen are out there, or would you tell them the truth?
Speaker 1: Well, they kind of have a thirteen year old son,
Speaker 1: and I told him that these things are real, that
Speaker 1: there are things out there that you won't understand, that
Speaker 1: you think that people saying aren't real. That actually are
Speaker 1: my oldest children. They were around for my first encounter,
Speaker 1: and they have children of their own. I have grandchildren,
Speaker 1: so they know and what they tell their children. I
Speaker 1: know a few of them have been told, the older ones.
Speaker 1: But I told him, you know, at least my son
Speaker 1: I always told him. I said, don't worry. Everything's okay.
Speaker 1: You know, Dad's the monster killer. It'll be okay. You know,
Speaker 1: don't be afraid. When you go to sleep, everything's all right.
Speaker 1: We're good.
Speaker 2: Dad's the monster killer. I love that that's great when
Speaker 2: you told him the truth about all this? How did
Speaker 2: he respond?
Speaker 1: Questions? Lots of questions. And the best I could do
Speaker 1: was I live in the same area that I had
Speaker 1: my encounter, and he and I have walked that way
Speaker 1: many times, and I said, this is where it happened.
Speaker 1: You know, be cautious when you're outside, Be cautious when
Speaker 1: you're when you're walking, Be cautious when you're playing with
Speaker 1: your friends. Don't go walking alone. He's got his uh.
Speaker 1: Since it's kind of funny. His nephew isn't a year
Speaker 1: older than him, and they're like best friends, and they
Speaker 1: take walks together quite a bit. They go down to
Speaker 1: the local creek and I've told them many times, you know,
Speaker 1: I need to take your phone. You've got x amount
Speaker 1: of time, you know, twenty minutes, I want you home,
Speaker 1: half an hour, I want a phone call, whatever the
Speaker 1: case may be. And you don't. You don't veer from
Speaker 1: this path. This is what you do. This is where
Speaker 1: you go, and this is when you come back. And
Speaker 1: there's reasons I do that same thing with, you know, summertime,
Speaker 1: they want to play hide and seek in the dark,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, nope, you guys aren't splitting up,
Speaker 1: none of you because there might be ten kids out
Speaker 1: there and they're all running around and I'm like, no, that's
Speaker 1: not you know, don't give me any more great hair
Speaker 1: than when I already have. Let's not do that. Let's
Speaker 1: just let's just, you know, stick to the yard, you know,
Speaker 1: Let's not do it at night and go from there.
Speaker 2: It's hard enough to raise children in this day and age.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine how much it's complicated doing that
Speaker 2: for you when you know the dogmen are out there.
Speaker 2: Kids are going to be kids. I don't need to
Speaker 2: tell you that. You already know that, but kids are
Speaker 2: going to be kids. They're going to want to go
Speaker 2: out and play hide and seek and play in the
Speaker 2: woods and all of that. We used to do that
Speaker 2: sort of thing and take it for granted and never
Speaker 2: a second thought. But now that you know dogmen are
Speaker 2: out there and you've got children that want to do
Speaker 2: those things, I can only imagine what you must go through.
Speaker 2: Like I said, it just it can't be easy.
Speaker 1: It makes it tough some days, especially when they're really
Speaker 1: wanting to go out or I go with them, you
Speaker 1: want to hick a walk in the woods, fine, and
Speaker 1: let's all go. It's not as much fun because you know,
Speaker 1: Dad and grandpa's there. But you know, hey, you can
Speaker 1: go here, here and here. I'll sit on the stump
Speaker 1: over here, don't go far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's understandable why you do that. You're just
Speaker 2: looking out for their well being. It's totally understandable. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you told your youngest son about the
Speaker 2: reality of dog men, but that's obviously some pretty heavy
Speaker 2: stuff to lay on the kids shoulders. Is that young
Speaker 2: Was he compromised by that knowledge?
Speaker 1: No, you know, growing up, I've always told him that
Speaker 1: even from a younger age, you have to understand that
Speaker 1: the world that we live in sometimes it's not all
Speaker 1: about just what you see, it's what you don't see.
Speaker 1: So he's he's under stood that it's something that just
Speaker 1: like growing up. You know, I've seen black bear here,
Speaker 1: I've tracked a mountain lion for I don't know about
Speaker 1: a month or so. That being said, I've told him,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to be aware of your surroundings
Speaker 1: and that's it. Just just be aware. If something doesn't
Speaker 1: feel right, that's your gut telling you that you need
Speaker 1: to leave and come home. If you don't feel comfortable,
Speaker 1: you know, walking this path, don't go that path, go
Speaker 1: another path, or just get home. Call me. I'll meet you.
Speaker 1: Always carry your phone with you, that's the number one rule.
Speaker 1: And don't go someplace that you're not familiar with. That's
Speaker 1: the best I can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always really good advice to be aware of
Speaker 2: your surroundings. You had your first encounter in the first
Speaker 2: week of December in two thousand and five. Before that,
Speaker 2: so did you even know what a dog man was?
Speaker 1: Never heard of anything like that, No such thing, Never
Speaker 1: heard that term, never thought for a moment that there
Speaker 1: was something like this out there. The first time I
Speaker 1: heard the term dog man was twenty sixteen at they
Speaker 1: had a dog man symposium and Defiance, Ohio, and I
Speaker 1: went there and I met quite a few people, and
Speaker 1: then to Godfrey le Blackburn, Johnny ol Tenney, just to
Speaker 1: name a few, and got to listen to what their
Speaker 1: research had said. I actually called and talked to Linda
Speaker 1: a couple of different times, but up until then, never
Speaker 1: heard the term.
Speaker 2: If you didn't even know about dogmen for that experience,
Speaker 2: then that made it to have even more of an
Speaker 2: impact on you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did.
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Speaker 2: us about your encounters now. I give us every last
Speaker 2: detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Just like you said. It happened in December two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, the first or second week of December. It
Speaker 1: was cold in December, but we hadn't had much snow
Speaker 1: tracing maybe a little more, not much. My then wife
Speaker 1: and I were sound asleep and we lost Our bedroom
Speaker 1: was on the back of the house and had French
Speaker 1: doors that opened out into the backyard. And I had
Speaker 1: a very large dog who was a wolf mallem you breed,
Speaker 1: and he was outside and I was sound asleep, and
Speaker 1: I kept hearing this thunking noise. And I'm a light sleeper,
Speaker 1: and after hearing it a few times, I got up
Speaker 1: and I sleepily walked to the door and pulled the
Speaker 1: curtain back and looked out the looked out the door
Speaker 1: and what I was hearing was him walking to the
Speaker 1: edge of his chain. It's funking his chain and he's
Speaker 1: never done that okay. I got dressed, grabbed a big
Speaker 1: flashlight spotlight I like I usually do when I go
Speaker 1: outside a night regardless, because I thought, well, maybe there's
Speaker 1: a stray dog or a coyote out there, which is
Speaker 1: possible where we live. I grabbed my forty five and
Speaker 1: tucked it in the back of my pants and I
Speaker 1: walked out. And when I got out there, I turned
Speaker 1: on my big spotlight that I was carrying, and his
Speaker 1: hack were up, his head was down, his tail was down,
Speaker 1: and he kept funking that chain. And his name was Wolf.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, if, what are you doing? And
Speaker 1: as I got over to him and tried to start
Speaker 1: petting him to try to get him to calm down,
Speaker 1: I heard this sound. It's something I will never forget,
Speaker 1: something I think about every single day. There's not a
Speaker 1: day that goes by that I don't think about that sound.
Speaker 1: And when that sound it was, to the best way
Speaker 1: I could describe it back then, it was like a
Speaker 1: Renaissance howl from inside, like a barrel. It had that
Speaker 1: Renaissance sound. Now, the town was just putting in new callbts,
Speaker 1: and some of them didn't have the tops on him yet.
Speaker 1: They were you working on this project, and I thought,
Speaker 1: perhaps the dog got stuck down in one something happened.
Speaker 1: So I just started over to where I knew where
Speaker 1: it sounded like it was coming from. It was from
Speaker 1: where I was living at the time. Until from the
Speaker 1: distance from where I was living to where the culvert,
Speaker 1: I thought it was at maybe three hundred three d
Speaker 1: and fifty yards, maybe a shade more. So I crossed
Speaker 1: the railroad tracks and my parents they lived right on
Speaker 1: the other side, and I cut down the side of
Speaker 1: their field into the field behind the house, and I
Speaker 1: started walking up the field and I heard it again,
Speaker 1: and I thought, it doesn't sound like it's coming from
Speaker 1: over there. It sounded like it was coming from more
Speaker 1: directly in front of me. Now I was more curious
Speaker 1: because I'm like, unless they're in a barrow or something,
Speaker 1: what's making this sound. So I continued to walk until
Speaker 1: I got to the end of the one field. Now
Speaker 1: the field that I had walked, there was a hill
Speaker 1: that there was a breast of the top of it.
Speaker 1: I was at the top of the sill that went
Speaker 1: down into another smaller field, and then there was a
Speaker 1: side road and the noise was coming from the woods probably.
Speaker 1: It's probably about fifty sixty yards from the road to
Speaker 1: the north right in front of me, And I looked
Speaker 1: down at the forty five in my hand, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this isn't big enough. It just didn't Something wasn't setting right.
Speaker 1: I just didn't feel as though that forty five was
Speaker 1: going to stop whatever it was, because I could tell
Speaker 1: then it wasn't a dog and a barrel, because I'm
Speaker 1: looking down at the neighbor or. The mayor's husband kept
Speaker 1: three beagles and they used those ar old houses at
Speaker 1: the time. It was a big thing back in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, I guess. And it was dead quiet
Speaker 1: except for this howl and the one dog was trying
Speaker 1: to dig through frozen ground to get under his barrel.
Speaker 1: And that's pretty much what made up my mind to
Speaker 1: go back and get something a little bit bigger. So
Speaker 1: I alsoed back to the house and I opened up
Speaker 1: my gun cabinet safe and I pulled out on HK
Speaker 1: ninety one, and on that rifle. I had a night vision. Now,
Speaker 1: back then it was atn and it was a first gen.
Speaker 1: They worked better when there was ambient light. You could
Speaker 1: see better, but they weren't fantastic, but hey, it was
Speaker 1: civilian market and that's what you could get. So I
Speaker 1: grabbed that. And when I opened up the cabinet and
Speaker 1: I grabbed the magazine, and my then wife woke up
Speaker 1: and asked me what I was doing, and I said, listen,
Speaker 1: there's something out there. And I said, I have no
Speaker 1: idea what it is, and I need to go find out.
Speaker 1: I said, this thing is not right, something's not right.
Speaker 1: So she followed me out to the deck on the
Speaker 1: back of the house and she goes, why are you
Speaker 1: going out here and doing this. I said, there's something
Speaker 1: out there, and I need to know what it is.
Speaker 1: I said this. I said, maybe it's an animal hurt.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's something else. I said, maybe someone's screwing around
Speaker 1: that thing. It howled again, and she looked at me
Speaker 1: and said, oh my god, what is that noise? And
Speaker 1: she's backed up to the house because about to the door,
Speaker 1: and she stood down and she goes and she was
Speaker 1: from the city. She was born and raised in a
Speaker 1: large city. And when I told her where I lived,
Speaker 1: I said, no, you'll pass a homage buggy. You could.
Speaker 1: I said, yahmih you're out here all the time. And sure, enough.
Speaker 1: Her first time out here, she passed a Homage buggy
Speaker 1: on the major own coming out to visit, so she
Speaker 1: had no idea. She wasn't you know, coyotes and you know,
Speaker 1: bears yelling or cougar screaming. You know, those things aren't
Speaker 1: something that she was going to ever be used to.
Speaker 1: And I said, I'll be back, and I had my
Speaker 1: I had a million power handle spotlight, and I started
Speaker 1: back to where I was at. I got there, and
Speaker 1: I went ahead and dropped down that hill, walked down
Speaker 1: there and walked across that field. I crossed the road,
Speaker 1: stepped over the ditch line, and walked past those dogs.
Speaker 1: So I'm about thirty yards maybe from the woods, and
Speaker 1: I'm just standing there and I'm shining this light kind
Speaker 1: of looking around, and I had to. If you know firearms,
Speaker 1: you hold on to the it was all these have
Speaker 1: a pistol grip on it with a stock, so I
Speaker 1: had it holding onto the pistol grip and I had
Speaker 1: it kind of standing in the cook of my arm
Speaker 1: and I'm just shining this spotlight, looking around and trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what that noise is. Well, then suddenly
Speaker 1: there was this sound of something tearing through the woods.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just branches breaking. I could, I could.
Speaker 1: I could hear the trees just you know, the sound
Speaker 1: that the branches are snapping and softer branches moving. I
Speaker 1: dropped the spotlight and I slammed the bolt shut on
Speaker 1: this rifle. Now, if you're familiar with this brand of rifle,
Speaker 1: this HK, the bolt that closes is on the opposite side.
Speaker 1: It's on the left hand side. And when you hit
Speaker 1: it with your palm and it slams shut, it makes
Speaker 1: a pretty stout noise, especially when it's dead of night.
Speaker 1: There's no other noise that you can hear. Well. As
Speaker 1: soon as I did, that thing stopped. It stopped. It
Speaker 1: stopped running, stopped moving. And now I'm more curious because
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, it recognized the sound of a bolt,
Speaker 1: but what is it? So I I looking at the woods.
Speaker 1: I reached down and I picked that spotlight back up,
Speaker 1: and I just want to see what made the sound.
Speaker 1: You know, what what is this? You know, as there
Speaker 1: is there somebody running through the woods or someone screwing around,
Speaker 1: it sounded big. I'm like, I don't know. So I'm
Speaker 1: signing the flashlight. This the spotlight, and having hunted and stuff,
Speaker 1: I'm looking about four feet off the ground and I'm
Speaker 1: just shining that thing from left to right and I
Speaker 1: get probably H'm like exactly what angle would be, probably
Speaker 1: sixty or seventy degrees from my center, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: that's not over there. I'm going to shine it back
Speaker 1: this way, and I started bringing it back from right
Speaker 1: to left. Well, I raised a god knows what reason
Speaker 1: I raised the spotlight up there. Toward the end, I
Speaker 1: kind of raised it up and was looking up in
Speaker 1: a tree in case something climbed up in a tree.
Speaker 1: And as I brought it back to almost dead center
Speaker 1: of me, there are these eyes. The best way to
Speaker 1: describe me as they're red, and they're staring right at me,
Speaker 1: seven maybe a little over seven feet tall, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at something that should not exist. I'm watching it breathe.
Speaker 1: I see the steam coming out of its mouth, and
Speaker 1: it has this head for better for better description, that
Speaker 1: looked like a large German shepherd. I think I told
Speaker 1: you that the best way I could describe what I'm
Speaker 1: looking at was In the mid early to mid eighties,
Speaker 1: there was a show on TV called I think it
Speaker 1: was Werewolf with Jack Palance, and that's what this head
Speaker 1: looked like. This thing is now, it's pushing down this
Speaker 1: branch of a pine tree with hands. I'm looking about
Speaker 1: from chest up, and it's just it's locked gaze with me.
Speaker 1: It seemed like it was forever it did. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it. It's looking at me. There was I'm trying
Speaker 1: to decide and understand what I'm looking at. This shouldn't exist.
Speaker 1: I'd been asked why I didn't shoot. Honestly, I never
Speaker 1: even thought about it. It wasn't even a thought in
Speaker 1: my mind to aim at this thing and shoot. I
Speaker 1: was there's no time to be afraid. But I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to understand what it is. I'm looking at it. Probably,
Speaker 1: I guess we probably locked eyes maybe twenty seconds. It
Speaker 1: turned its head to my left. It's right now from
Speaker 1: where it was standing. It was probably thirty yards of
Speaker 1: flatter ground. Still got to go through the woods, some trees,
Speaker 1: and then it was all uphill from there, maybe forty
Speaker 1: yards flat. It's probably one hundred and fifty yards to
Speaker 1: the road. That thing turned and ran unlike anything I'd
Speaker 1: ever seen before. It ran so fast it hit that
Speaker 1: road within five seconds, I heard it hit the gravel.
Speaker 1: The gravel some was frozen, some was new, and that's it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was looking at. I had
Speaker 1: no idea what I had just seen or witnessed. After
Speaker 1: standing there for another minute or two, I turned around
Speaker 1: and headed home. I got home and I walked into
Speaker 1: the bedroom, and and then my wife asked me what
Speaker 1: was it? And I said, I honestly, I really don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I saw. I couldn't describe to
Speaker 1: her what I saw. And I said, I've got to
Speaker 1: go to sleep. I got to get and go to work.
Speaker 1: I laid there the rest of the night, just contemplating
Speaker 1: what I saw. The howling was something that I couldn't
Speaker 1: get out of my mind. And after a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks I found the best thing at the time that
Speaker 1: I had to identify this thing as far as the noise,
Speaker 1: the howl. And she walked in and I was in.
Speaker 1: She walked into the back door. I was in the
Speaker 1: front door, or in the front room, the living room,
Speaker 1: and I told her, I said, just have a seat
Speaker 1: out there. And I said, tell me, if this is
Speaker 1: about about what we heard, it maybe close. And I
Speaker 1: had stopped a movie right at the right spot, and
Speaker 1: I turned it on play and she sat down. She goes,
Speaker 1: that's really that's that's not it, but you know it's close.
Speaker 1: I was American wherewith in London where they were on
Speaker 1: the moors, it was it had that run sound like that.
Speaker 1: So it was, uh, it was mid January, and we
Speaker 1: were expecting. They had predicted a snowstorm. We were supposed
Speaker 1: to get quite a bit of snow upwards of a foot,
Speaker 1: they said. And I took Wolf, and I have a
Speaker 1: I had a three car garage, only two bays, which
Speaker 1: I used. The other bay I had a reloading shop
Speaker 1: in and I spent a lot of time out there
Speaker 1: reloading different types of ammunition, mostly my own. And I
Speaker 1: took Wolf inside, and I had a bale of straw
Speaker 1: for him and put him in there and told him
Speaker 1: I'd see him in the morning. This was a Friday night,
Speaker 1: well Saturday morning. Rolls in the sun had come out
Speaker 1: some there's probably maybe six or eight inches. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of times, and know these forecasters, they can
Speaker 1: either get it right or really wrong, and half right,
Speaker 1: I guess, And I said, I'm going to go out
Speaker 1: and get Wolf out and get him outside so he
Speaker 1: can do what he needs to do, and go ahead
Speaker 1: and feed him. And I walked out the back door
Speaker 1: and I stepped down the steps and I got on
Speaker 1: the sidewalk because it's a detached garage, and I stopped
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at the side of the snow next
Speaker 1: to the garage. It's probably, I don't know, ten yards
Speaker 1: from me, and it's about ten yards from me, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the side of this and it's pressed down.
Speaker 1: The snow is pressed down. I don't know why that's
Speaker 1: like that. Well, I started to take another step. I
Speaker 1: looked down and there's these tracks in the snow. They
Speaker 1: were I don't know, two and a half feet apart,
Speaker 1: sideways and it looked like an elongated dog track, but
Speaker 1: it was longer. I'm like, what is this. I got
Speaker 1: him out, and I took him out and I went
Speaker 1: and got my neighbor. Now, my neighbor he was he's
Speaker 1: a bit older than I was, and he had been
Speaker 1: a hunter himself. He came out, he looked, he goes,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that. Well, our local gun
Speaker 1: club I'm a member of, usually the beginning of the
Speaker 1: year they'll have they had a ODNR person come in
Speaker 1: near the new game warden for the county in which
Speaker 1: I live. And he stood up there and was talking
Speaker 1: about some of the new stuff that was happening, and
Speaker 1: introduced himself passed out some cards. So I had one
Speaker 1: of his cards. I'd been talking to him afterwards, and
Speaker 1: I pulled his card out and I caught him up. Happened.
Speaker 1: He happened to be in the next town over investigating
Speaker 1: apostle poaching head. We'll give me a little bit and
Speaker 1: I'll be out. So he stopped out and he walks
Speaker 1: up and he's looking. He goes, I've never seen anything
Speaker 1: like this. He goes, I have no idea what this is.
Speaker 1: And he took a couple of pictures and we're standing
Speaker 1: there just talking. But what was interesting as we turned
Speaker 1: around and we were looking at these tracks, they turned
Speaker 1: and went back to the railroad tracks about maybe thirty
Speaker 1: five yards away. But it was like it hopped from
Speaker 1: one foot to the next. They were eight feet apart,
Speaker 1: one track right side, next one eight feet apart left side,
Speaker 1: right side, like it just hopped like something would hop,
Speaker 1: you know, like on its legs. After we said our
Speaker 1: goodbyes and Gary went home. I went in the house
Speaker 1: and I went to the cabinet and grabbed that same rifle.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to go up here, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to go track this thing. It went up on
Speaker 1: the tracks. I saw where the they had got that snow,
Speaker 1: and when the train goes by it, uh, it kind
Speaker 1: of blows the snow out of the where the train
Speaker 1: track is and it kind of builds it up on
Speaker 1: the sides and in between the two tracks there's more snow.
Speaker 1: But the snow itself on the tracks wasn't real deep,
Speaker 1: just a bit. And my son said, I want to go.
Speaker 1: And my oldest son, he was twelve at the time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, sure, he goes yep. I said, okay, come on,
Speaker 1: take a walk with dad. So we walked down these tracks. Now,
Speaker 1: the tracks weren't real busy then, and he and I
Speaker 1: walked just about a mile. I could see different spots
Speaker 1: where you could see a print in the snow, whether
Speaker 1: it was to the side next to the rail or
Speaker 1: just in the stones between the rails, between the stone
Speaker 1: between the ties. And then it was gone. I lost it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it hopped off and into
Speaker 1: the woods that runs next to the railroad tracks. It
Speaker 1: maybe hopped off and ran in near I have no idea,
Speaker 1: because it was just gone. It made me realize that
Speaker 1: this thing, as I'm walking back, this thing that night,
Speaker 1: to the best of my knowledge, had scented me. And
Speaker 1: because I had been you know, I had taken the
Speaker 1: the kids. There's that hill that's not far from the
Speaker 1: same hill that I walked down when I heard that noise.
Speaker 1: You know his daughter, you know, she saw that track.
Speaker 1: And I remember that we went sled riding right after
Speaker 1: Christmas because I got new sluds for Christmas down that
Speaker 1: hill and it was during the day and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, was this thing, you know, what was this
Speaker 1: thing watching us? I you know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: have no idea. But I don't know if it kept
Speaker 1: my scent from that night or maybe picked it up
Speaker 1: since then. I have no idea. So I enjoyed camping.
Speaker 1: I loved the camp. It was six years before I
Speaker 1: went overnight camping again in the woods. I every time,
Speaker 1: you know, my son and I, he liked to go
Speaker 1: in the woods. He and I would talk just about
Speaker 1: his day at school, his plans after school, just anything
Speaker 1: that he wanted to talk about we go on a
Speaker 1: walk once a week just so he could tell me,
Speaker 1: you know, his plans, his dreams, school things. But every
Speaker 1: time I went, I carried a gun and something big
Speaker 1: enough to get the job done, forty four mag or bigger.
Speaker 1: It's it changes you. They want to go out, even
Speaker 1: my older kids, they'd want to go out and do things,
Speaker 1: or they want to go you know, here's so and so.
Speaker 1: They want to go on a walk, you know. Or
Speaker 1: they're teenagers. They're going to go on a walk at night.
Speaker 1: They're going to go from point A to point B.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I'm sorry, you guys can't. You
Speaker 1: may not like my answer, but you can't go, not
Speaker 1: unless you want dad hanging around. No, so why don't
Speaker 1: you invite your friends over where and they can watch
Speaker 1: a movie or something. But how about just how about
Speaker 1: just not going for a walk right now? It's something
Speaker 1: that it drives you. When I don't know how I
Speaker 1: heard about the dog Man Symposium from Defiance, I really
Speaker 1: don't remember how I heard about it, but I made
Speaker 1: sure that it was something that I was going to
Speaker 1: go to in Defiances. I don't know, probably hour and
Speaker 1: a half, two hours from where I lived, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: a little further I don't recall anymore. And I went
Speaker 1: and it was interesting listening to these researchers tell what
Speaker 1: they had found out and why they called it a
Speaker 1: dog man under Godfrey with the termed Michigan dog Man.
Speaker 1: Since that time, I have bought and read many books.
Speaker 1: I have many many books on that subject. I have
Speaker 1: maps that I've created, coordinates, longitude, latitude of sightings I
Speaker 1: haven't pinned out, looking to see if there's any correlation
Speaker 1: to how they move where they go. You know, I
Speaker 1: know that people have thought. You know, there's Indian mounds
Speaker 1: and some mounds that have never been You know that
Speaker 1: there's mounds that's been found nearby, so to speak. You know,
Speaker 1: next county over, So that's nearby as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: But you know the town I live in, you know,
Speaker 1: in a five mile radius from the town, there's cemeteries everywhere,
Speaker 1: large ones, small ones, family plots. There's I don't even
Speaker 1: begin to count how many of them, do you think?
Speaker 1: Probably ten or more, maybe twelve within a five mile
Speaker 1: radius of where I live. And I know Linda's Linda
Speaker 1: Godfrey's train of thought she was alive, was that you know,
Speaker 1: these might be a guardian of cemeteries. Perhaps perhaps they
Speaker 1: travel routes that were because of Indians. And I know
Speaker 1: that we live in the Five Tribes area, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what to think, only that
Speaker 1: I know that this thing was corporeal. I watched this
Speaker 1: thing breathe. I could see its chests moving, I could
Speaker 1: see the steam coming out of its mouth. I could
Speaker 1: see it looking at me, and that's something I will
Speaker 1: never forget. Since that time, I have not told that
Speaker 1: story personally to up until a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: to nobody my family, close family. That's it. People are
Speaker 1: going to think you're crazy. A year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: I was given a terminal diagnosis, no cure, no treatment,
Speaker 1: just terminal, and I just wanted to make sure I
Speaker 1: told as many people as I could so they could
Speaker 1: decide for themselves whether they want to believe me or not.
Speaker 1: It's okay. Somebody told them, and that's what's important to me.
Speaker 1: In that time, since I've seen it, I have made
Speaker 1: it a goal to acquire the weapons needed should I
Speaker 1: have the ability to seem it seems like there's one
Speaker 1: that sticks around the area that we have a lot
Speaker 1: of water and a lot of a big deer population,
Speaker 1: a lot of waterways, a lot of deer, rabbits, squirrels,
Speaker 1: and you know we have farmers. You know, we have
Speaker 1: five minutes of me walking out my back door. I
Speaker 1: could be in the woods in any direction and some
Speaker 1: nothing but woods and farmland. And I just I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, you know, having this diagnosis, would it be
Speaker 1: something that I would do to try to eliminate the
Speaker 1: one that's I've seen here and that way maybe make
Speaker 1: it a little safer for those around me, especially in
Speaker 1: my family. You know I have I have a flamethrower,
Speaker 1: you name it, I probably have it. I know nothing
Speaker 1: likes flames. I could go on and on and on.
Speaker 1: I told you about some of my plans and what
Speaker 1: I have and not going alone. Of course, night times
Speaker 1: are now getting a little harder for me, so I
Speaker 1: might have to see if I can find someone else
Speaker 1: that would want to try out my plan. I'm probably
Speaker 1: not going to come up with anybody, but it's worth
Speaker 1: a try. In the last year, last summer, it was August,
Speaker 1: my son who's thirteen, wanted to do a little bit
Speaker 1: of fishing. It's the gun clubs just a little walk
Speaker 1: from here, not too far, and it was early evening,
Speaker 1: six thirty seven o'clock maybe, I said, okay, sure, So
Speaker 1: we walked up there around the gun club pond. There's
Speaker 1: a six foot chain link fence with a locking gate.
Speaker 1: That's something that's required that they have. We went in
Speaker 1: and we were fishing, and I don't know why I
Speaker 1: did not take a firearm with me, or just going fishing,
Speaker 1: just going fishing. And I had my back to the field,
Speaker 1: looking back toward the range. My son was standing near
Speaker 1: the dock that was there now behind me. To my left.
Speaker 1: They had put in a windmill that generated the air
Speaker 1: for the you know, as it pumped, it pumped air
Speaker 1: underneath the water to help the fish. And I knew
Speaker 1: where the line was that was coming under the water.
Speaker 1: So I'm reeling in kind of slow because I don't
Speaker 1: want to snag anything. Next thing, you know, he throws us.
Speaker 1: I hear this noise. He throws his fishing pulled down,
Speaker 1: and he runs. He sprints over to me. Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad,
Speaker 1: Like what he goes, did you see it? Did you
Speaker 1: see it? I said, see what? I had my back
Speaker 1: to the field, I said, he goes, you didn't hear
Speaker 1: that sound. I said, well, yeah, I heard the sound.
Speaker 1: He goes, Dad, I think I saw what you saw. Well,
Speaker 1: I started doing interrogating. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what did
Speaker 1: you see? I said, you see a deer? No, I
Speaker 1: didn't see a deer. I said, are you sure it
Speaker 1: wasn't a deer? He goes, Dad, this thing looked like
Speaker 1: a giant dog, he said, a really big dog, bigger
Speaker 1: than any dog I've ever seen. And he goes, it
Speaker 1: was kind of running. He goes, it was so fast.
Speaker 1: He goes, it was there, then it was there, then
Speaker 1: it was there, and now the distance he was covering
Speaker 1: was maybe one hundred and twenty five yards, maybe one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. But he goes, it was fast. He goes,
Speaker 1: it was there, there, and there, and he goes, it
Speaker 1: was just so fast. And he says it wasn't running
Speaker 1: on all fours all the time. He said, it was
Speaker 1: kind of like like running half bent over and half
Speaker 1: on its scores, and it would stand back up kind of.
Speaker 1: And he goes, I'm scared. And I said okay, and
Speaker 1: I said here that's I opened up the gate and
Speaker 1: locked the gate, and I said, come out here and
Speaker 1: stand get in the car. Just get in the car.
Speaker 1: He goes, what are you gonna do? Said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go over here. You saw it next to this woodline.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to go just have a look. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I said, I've got to go have a look. And
Speaker 1: I like, I said, I didn't have a gun. I
Speaker 1: said where to go in at? Oh? Right there. At
Speaker 1: that point, I'm like, okay, So I walk over the
Speaker 1: grounds hard. There's no tracks that I can see anywhere,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's he's white, he's pale, I should say,
Speaker 1: not much color in his face. And I get over
Speaker 1: to the edge of the woodline and I look inside
Speaker 1: and I'm looking and you know how you see something
Speaker 1: first split second and then it's gone. Well, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: I'm looking into the woods. This just like a large
Speaker 1: fence line, and I'm looking through the back and it's
Speaker 1: just from behind a tree. I see something and then
Speaker 1: I look, I'm looking at it and I blink and
Speaker 1: it's gone that quick. So we if we get back
Speaker 1: up to the house and he comes running up the
Speaker 1: stairs and he told my fiance what he saw, and
Speaker 1: she's looking at me because I've had the discussion with
Speaker 1: her what I've seen. Well, a few days later, she
Speaker 1: was taken care of us. She's a nurse. She worked
Speaker 1: ice you, she worked on a nick U truck mobile
Speaker 1: intensive care unit. She worked at hospice. This woman can
Speaker 1: do anything she sets her mind to. She's extremely intelligent.
Speaker 1: And she'd been taking care of a very medically fragile
Speaker 1: child that's too, that had a heart transplant. And it
Speaker 1: was dark, like nine thirty, ten o'clockish maybe when she
Speaker 1: got home, and she walked up the stairs and walked
Speaker 1: in the house and she's looking at me, and she
Speaker 1: is completely pale, no color, and she's shaking. Her hands
Speaker 1: are shaking. She's shaking, and she looks at me and
Speaker 1: she goes, I saw it. And I looked at her
Speaker 1: and I said, you saw what. She goes, I saw
Speaker 1: that thing. I said what thing. I wanted her to
Speaker 1: be specific. She goes, I saw that dog man thing,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I always believe you, but she goes,
Speaker 1: when you see it, it's totally different, she goes, I
Speaker 1: was just about now a mile and a half from
Speaker 1: where we lived. There's a bridge that they had been redone.
Speaker 1: I don't know a few years ago and she was
Speaker 1: crossing that bridge, two lane highway, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: main road that runs through town. And she goes, something
Speaker 1: stepped out in the road and she goes, I could
Speaker 1: see it. And she goes, it walked slower as it
Speaker 1: got to the guardrail, and she goes, it looked weck.
Speaker 1: She goes, it looked. She goes, it looked. She goes,
Speaker 1: there's this wolf standing on It's this big, straggly looking
Speaker 1: wolf thing standing by the guardrail. And she goes, I
Speaker 1: came to an almost stopped looking at this thing. And
Speaker 1: she goes, it looked at me. I'm looking at it,
Speaker 1: it's looking at me. I'm catching its eyes. And she goes.
Speaker 1: It hopped over the guardrail. That's a twenty five foot drop.
Speaker 1: And she goes, I came right home and she goes,
Speaker 1: I was praying to God that it didn't follow me.
Speaker 1: So when something like that happens, I've had people say, well,
Speaker 1: I'll believe it when I see it, and I've my
Speaker 1: response to them has always been, I hope you never
Speaker 1: see it. Then I said, I hope you don't see it,
Speaker 1: because it'll change your perception on everything, on reality, on
Speaker 1: what you believe is real and not real. What you
Speaker 1: feel is safe when you're out. If you do a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, again, very raw area. A lot
Speaker 1: of people like to hunt or take walks in the
Speaker 1: woods or go camping, it will change what you know.
Speaker 1: So you can either take my story and you know
Speaker 1: you can believe it, which is fine, and I hope
Speaker 1: that if you do, you just take precautions. That's it.
Speaker 1: Just take precautions and if not, I hope you never
Speaker 1: see one. And that's okay. So Vic, that's been my uh,
Speaker 1: that's been my story. I'm not sure where you'd like
Speaker 1: to me to go from here.
Speaker 2: Well, normally at this point I would just dive in
Speaker 2: and start asking you a bunch of questions, but I
Speaker 2: know you're not feeling all that well right now. So
Speaker 2: here's what I like to do. Would you be okay
Speaker 2: if we just planned on coming back maybe at the
Speaker 2: end of the week here and I just asked you
Speaker 2: all these questions in we had to show this Friday
Speaker 2: evening if you feel up to it.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I'm starting to feel a little, but I
Speaker 1: would love to answer any questions you have. Like I said,
Speaker 1: this is something that I I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: day that goes by that don't think about it. If
Speaker 1: it does, it's because something else has happened that's been
Speaker 1: traumatic enough during that day where that's occupying my mind.
Speaker 1: But usually when I lay down to go to sleep,
Speaker 1: you know, it crosses my mind. So yeah, we can
Speaker 1: try Friday. I mean it should be okay.
Speaker 2: Well, let's do that. Then I totally understand. Yea, if
Speaker 2: something happens traumatic enough where you don't think about the
Speaker 2: dog man experiences because of the trauma from whatever happened
Speaker 2: during the day, I can only imagine how traumatic it
Speaker 2: must have been to keep your mind off all this. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, like I said, there's every day is
Speaker 3: a every day is a new day, so you can
Speaker 3: you can never be too sure what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that the truth? Yes, sir, Well, Brian, Having
Speaker 2: said all that, I can't thank you enough for your time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: please do go relax and try to take it easy.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'll just coordinate back with you to record
Speaker 2: part two the Q and an we'll just take it
Speaker 2: from there.
Speaker 1: Then sounds good. Vick, thank you so much for your time,
Speaker 1: Oh
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for yours, And try to have
Speaker 2: a good night,