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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Brian. Brian,

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welcome to the show. Well, thank you, Oh you're welcome.

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We just appreciate you being here. Brian, Please give us

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a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Newly retired, well not too newly retired. Spent thirty six

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years working in the health care industry. Various many other

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things that I've done could fill ten lifetimes. I think

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I live in a very small village in Ohio, and

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that's where I've had my experience.

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Speaker 2: Working in the healthcare field. As long as you did,

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did you relb elbows with any people who worked in

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the mental health side of the health field? I e.

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People you could lean on if your encounters that we're

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going to talk about tonight became too much for you

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to deal with. Oh yeah, well, well that's a definite perk.

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Then in our first conversation, Brian, you told me that

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when you see a dog man, it has a way

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of changing your view of the world. Please expand on

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that for us, well.

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Speaker 1: Vic, these things aren't supposed to exist. You know, we're

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told growing up that monsters aren't real, at least I was.

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And then when you see something that's not supposed to

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exist and you're trying to understand what it is you're

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looking at and grasp what it is you're looking at,

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it changes your perception on everything. It just does your

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perception on you know, I've been a very outdoor type person.

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I've enjoyed hiking, hunting, camping, you name it, I've pretty

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well done it. And when that occurs, when you see one,

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it changes your outdoor activities. At least it did for

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me for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally understandable. Yeah, up until then, up until

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you realize that these guys were out there, you're living

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a lie, and then all of a sudden, when that

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lie was revealed to you, Yeah, it is going to

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change your period time. I mean, if dogmen are out there,

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what else is out there we're told isn't out there.

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So that's totally understandable. It really is now that you

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realize that dog men are reality. Most parents tell their

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children that monsters aren't real. But if you were to

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have a child tomorrow or children plural after this point

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in time, once they got to be old enough to

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actually understand things that you were telling them, maybe not deeply,

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but somewhat understand the things that you're trying to relate

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to them about how the world works. Are you the

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mindset that it's a good idea to still tell them

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that monsters don't exist now that you know things like

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dogmen are out there, or would you tell them the truth?

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Speaker 1: Well, they kind of have a thirteen year old son,

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and I told him that these things are real, that

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there are things out there that you won't understand, that

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you think that people saying aren't real. That actually are

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my oldest children. They were around for my first encounter,

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and they have children of their own. I have grandchildren,

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so they know and what they tell their children. I

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know a few of them have been told, the older ones.

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But I told him, you know, at least my son

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I always told him. I said, don't worry. Everything's okay.

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You know, Dad's the monster killer. It'll be okay. You know,

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don't be afraid. When you go to sleep, everything's all right.

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We're good.

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Speaker 2: Dad's the monster killer. I love that that's great when

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you told him the truth about all this? How did

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he respond?

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Speaker 1: Questions? Lots of questions. And the best I could do

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was I live in the same area that I had

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my encounter, and he and I have walked that way

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many times, and I said, this is where it happened.

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You know, be cautious when you're outside, Be cautious when

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you're when you're walking, Be cautious when you're playing with

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your friends. Don't go walking alone. He's got his uh.

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Since it's kind of funny. His nephew isn't a year

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older than him, and they're like best friends, and they

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take walks together quite a bit. They go down to

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the local creek and I've told them many times, you know,

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I need to take your phone. You've got x amount

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of time, you know, twenty minutes, I want you home,

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half an hour, I want a phone call, whatever the

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case may be. And you don't. You don't veer from

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this path. This is what you do. This is where

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you go, and this is when you come back. And

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there's reasons I do that same thing with, you know, summertime,

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they want to play hide and seek in the dark,

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and I'm like, no, nope, you guys aren't splitting up,

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none of you because there might be ten kids out

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there and they're all running around and I'm like, no, that's

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not you know, don't give me any more great hair

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than when I already have. Let's not do that. Let's

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just let's just, you know, stick to the yard, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's hard enough to raise children in this day and age.

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I can only imagine how much it's complicated doing that

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for you when you know the dogmen are out there.

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tell you that. You already know that, but kids are

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going to be kids. They're going to want to go

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out and play hide and seek and play in the

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woods and all of that. We used to do that

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sort of thing and take it for granted and never

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a second thought. But now that you know dogmen are

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out there and you've got children that want to do

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those things, I can only imagine what you must go through.

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Like I said, it just it can't be easy.

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Speaker 1: It makes it tough some days, especially when they're really

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wanting to go out or I go with them, you

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want to hick a walk in the woods, fine, and

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let's all go. It's not as much fun because you know,

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Dad and grandpa's there. But you know, hey, you can

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go here, here and here. I'll sit on the stump

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over here, don't go far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's understandable why you do that. You're just

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looking out for their well being. It's totally understandable. Now,

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I'm glad that you told your youngest son about the

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reality of dog men, but that's obviously some pretty heavy

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stuff to lay on the kids shoulders. Is that young

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Was he compromised by that knowledge?

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Speaker 1: No, you know, growing up, I've always told him that

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even from a younger age, you have to understand that

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the world that we live in sometimes it's not all

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about just what you see, it's what you don't see.

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So he's he's under stood that it's something that just

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like growing up. You know, I've seen black bear here,

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I've tracked a mountain lion for I don't know about

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a month or so. That being said, I've told him,

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you know, you have to be aware of your surroundings

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and that's it. Just just be aware. If something doesn't

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feel right, that's your gut telling you that you need

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to leave and come home. If you don't feel comfortable,

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you know, walking this path, don't go that path, go

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another path, or just get home. Call me. I'll meet you.

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Always carry your phone with you, that's the number one rule.

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And don't go someplace that you're not familiar with. That's

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the best I can do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always really good advice to be aware of

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your surroundings. You had your first encounter in the first

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week of December in two thousand and five. Before that,

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so did you even know what a dog man was?

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Speaker 1: Never heard of anything like that, No such thing, Never

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heard that term, never thought for a moment that there

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was something like this out there. The first time I

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heard the term dog man was twenty sixteen at they

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had a dog man symposium and Defiance, Ohio, and I

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went there and I met quite a few people, and

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then to Godfrey le Blackburn, Johnny ol Tenney, just to

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name a few, and got to listen to what their

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research had said. I actually called and talked to Linda

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a couple of different times, but up until then, never

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heard the term.

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Speaker 2: If you didn't even know about dogmen for that experience,

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then that made it to have even more of an

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impact on you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I did.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure if you've had a dog mean encounter, I

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would like to speak with me about it, whether I'm

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private or on the show. Please go to Dogmanencounters dot

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com and submit a report. All right, Brian, please tell

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us about your encounters now. I give us every last

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detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Just like you said. It happened in December two thousand

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and five, the first or second week of December. It

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was cold in December, but we hadn't had much snow

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tracing maybe a little more, not much. My then wife

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and I were sound asleep and we lost Our bedroom

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was on the back of the house and had French

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doors that opened out into the backyard. And I had

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a very large dog who was a wolf mallem you breed,

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and he was outside and I was sound asleep, and

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I kept hearing this thunking noise. And I'm a light sleeper,

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and after hearing it a few times, I got up

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and I sleepily walked to the door and pulled the

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curtain back and looked out the looked out the door

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and what I was hearing was him walking to the

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edge of his chain. It's funking his chain and he's

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never done that okay. I got dressed, grabbed a big

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flashlight spotlight I like I usually do when I go

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outside a night regardless, because I thought, well, maybe there's

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a stray dog or a coyote out there, which is

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possible where we live. I grabbed my forty five and

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tucked it in the back of my pants and I

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walked out. And when I got out there, I turned

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on my big spotlight that I was carrying, and his

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hack were up, his head was down, his tail was down,

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and he kept funking that chain. And his name was Wolf.

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as I got over to him and tried to start

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petting him to try to get him to calm down,

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I heard this sound. It's something I will never forget,

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something I think about every single day. There's not a

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day that goes by that I don't think about that sound.

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And when that sound it was, to the best way

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I could describe it back then, it was like a

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Renaissance howl from inside, like a barrel. It had that

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Renaissance sound. Now, the town was just putting in new callbts,

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and some of them didn't have the tops on him yet.

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perhaps the dog got stuck down in one something happened.

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it sounded like it was coming from. It was from

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where I was living at the time. Until from the

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distance from where I was living to where the culvert,

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and fifty yards, maybe a shade more. So I crossed

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the railroad tracks and my parents they lived right on

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the other side, and I cut down the side of

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their field into the field behind the house, and I

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started walking up the field and I heard it again,

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and I thought, it doesn't sound like it's coming from

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over there. It sounded like it was coming from more

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directly in front of me. Now I was more curious

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because I'm like, unless they're in a barrow or something,

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what's making this sound. So I continued to walk until

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I got to the end of the one field. Now

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the field that I had walked, there was a hill

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that there was a breast of the top of it.

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I was at the top of the sill that went

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down into another smaller field, and then there was a

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side road and the noise was coming from the woods probably.

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the north right in front of me, And I looked

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down at the forty five in my hand, and I'm like,

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this isn't big enough. It just didn't Something wasn't setting right.

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I just didn't feel as though that forty five was

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going to stop whatever it was, because I could tell

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then it wasn't a dog and a barrel, because I'm

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looking down at the neighbor or. The mayor's husband kept

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three beagles and they used those ar old houses at

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the time. It was a big thing back in the

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early two thousands, I guess. And it was dead quiet

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except for this howl and the one dog was trying

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to dig through frozen ground to get under his barrel.

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go back and get something a little bit bigger. So

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I alsoed back to the house and I opened up

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my gun cabinet safe and I pulled out on HK

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ninety one, and on that rifle. I had a night vision. Now,

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back then it was atn and it was a first gen.

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They worked better when there was ambient light. You could

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see better, but they weren't fantastic, but hey, it was

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civilian market and that's what you could get. So I

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grabbed that. And when I opened up the cabinet and

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I grabbed the magazine, and my then wife woke up

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and asked me what I was doing, and I said, listen,

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there's something out there. And I said, I have no

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idea what it is, and I need to go find out.

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I said, this thing is not right, something's not right.

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So she followed me out to the deck on the

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back of the house and she goes, why are you

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going out here and doing this. I said, there's something

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out there, and I need to know what it is.

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I said this. I said, maybe it's an animal hurt.

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Maybe it's something else. I said, maybe someone's screwing around

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that thing. It howled again, and she looked at me

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and said, oh my god, what is that noise? And

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she's backed up to the house because about to the door,

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and she stood down and she goes and she was

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from the city. She was born and raised in a

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large city. And when I told her where I lived,

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I said, no, you'll pass a homage buggy. You could.

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I said, yahmih you're out here all the time. And sure, enough.

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Her first time out here, she passed a Homage buggy

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on the major own coming out to visit, so she

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had no idea. She wasn't you know, coyotes and you know,

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bears yelling or cougar screaming. You know, those things aren't

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something that she was going to ever be used to.

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And I said, I'll be back, and I had my

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I had a million power handle spotlight, and I started

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back to where I was at. I got there, and

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I went ahead and dropped down that hill, walked down

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there and walked across that field. I crossed the road,

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stepped over the ditch line, and walked past those dogs.

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So I'm about thirty yards maybe from the woods, and

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I'm just standing there and I'm shining this light kind

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of looking around, and I had to. If you know firearms,

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you hold on to the it was all these have

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a pistol grip on it with a stock, so I

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had it holding onto the pistol grip and I had

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it kind of standing in the cook of my arm

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and I'm just shining this spotlight, looking around and trying

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to figure out what that noise is. Well, then suddenly

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there was this sound of something tearing through the woods.

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I mean it was just branches breaking. I could, I could.

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I could hear the trees just you know, the sound

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that the branches are snapping and softer branches moving. I

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dropped the spotlight and I slammed the bolt shut on

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this rifle. Now, if you're familiar with this brand of rifle,

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this HK, the bolt that closes is on the opposite side.

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It's on the left hand side. And when you hit

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it with your palm and it slams shut, it makes

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a pretty stout noise, especially when it's dead of night.

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There's no other noise that you can hear. Well. As

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soon as I did, that thing stopped. It stopped. It

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stopped running, stopped moving. And now I'm more curious because

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I'm like, Okay, it recognized the sound of a bolt,

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but what is it? So I I looking at the woods.

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I reached down and I picked that spotlight back up,

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and I just want to see what made the sound.

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You know, what what is this? You know, as there

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is there somebody running through the woods or someone screwing around,

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it sounded big. I'm like, I don't know. So I'm

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signing the flashlight. This the spotlight, and having hunted and stuff,

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I'm looking about four feet off the ground and I'm

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just shining that thing from left to right and I

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get probably H'm like exactly what angle would be, probably

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sixty or seventy degrees from my center, and I thought, okay,

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that's not over there. I'm going to shine it back

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this way, and I started bringing it back from right

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to left. Well, I raised a god knows what reason

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I raised the spotlight up there. Toward the end, I

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kind of raised it up and was looking up in

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a tree in case something climbed up in a tree.

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And as I brought it back to almost dead center

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of me, there are these eyes. The best way to

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describe me as they're red, and they're staring right at me,

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seven maybe a little over seven feet tall, and I'm

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looking at something that should not exist. I'm watching it breathe.

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I see the steam coming out of its mouth, and

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it has this head for better for better description, that

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looked like a large German shepherd. I think I told

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you that the best way I could describe what I'm

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looking at was In the mid early to mid eighties,

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there was a show on TV called I think it

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was Werewolf with Jack Palance, and that's what this head

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looked like. This thing is now, it's pushing down this

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branch of a pine tree with hands. I'm looking about

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from chest up, and it's just it's locked gaze with me.

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It seemed like it was forever it did. I'm looking

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at it. It's looking at me. There was I'm trying

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to decide and understand what I'm looking at. This shouldn't exist.

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I'd been asked why I didn't shoot. Honestly, I never

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even thought about it. It wasn't even a thought in

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my mind to aim at this thing and shoot. I

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was there's no time to be afraid. But I'm just

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trying to understand what it is. I'm looking at it. Probably,

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I guess we probably locked eyes maybe twenty seconds. It

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turned its head to my left. It's right now from

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where it was standing. It was probably thirty yards of

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flatter ground. Still got to go through the woods, some trees,

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and then it was all uphill from there, maybe forty

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yards flat. It's probably one hundred and fifty yards to

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the road. That thing turned and ran unlike anything I'd

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ever seen before. It ran so fast it hit that

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road within five seconds, I heard it hit the gravel.

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The gravel some was frozen, some was new, and that's it.

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I didn't know what I was looking at. I had

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no idea what I had just seen or witnessed. After

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standing there for another minute or two, I turned around

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and headed home. I got home and I walked into

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the bedroom, and and then my wife asked me what

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was it? And I said, I honestly, I really don't know.

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I didn't know what I saw. I couldn't describe to

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her what I saw. And I said, I've got to

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go to sleep. I got to get and go to work.

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I laid there the rest of the night, just contemplating

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what I saw. The howling was something that I couldn't

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get out of my mind. And after a couple of

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weeks I found the best thing at the time that

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I had to identify this thing as far as the noise,

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the howl. And she walked in and I was in.

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She walked into the back door. I was in the

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front door, or in the front room, the living room,

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and I told her, I said, just have a seat

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out there. And I said, tell me, if this is

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about about what we heard, it maybe close. And I

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had stopped a movie right at the right spot, and

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I turned it on play and she sat down. She goes,

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that's really that's that's not it, but you know it's close.

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I was American wherewith in London where they were on

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the moors, it was it had that run sound like that.

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So it was, uh, it was mid January, and we

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were expecting. They had predicted a snowstorm. We were supposed

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to get quite a bit of snow upwards of a foot,

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they said. And I took Wolf, and I have a

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I had a three car garage, only two bays, which

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I used. The other bay I had a reloading shop

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in and I spent a lot of time out there

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reloading different types of ammunition, mostly my own. And I

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took Wolf inside, and I had a bale of straw

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for him and put him in there and told him

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I'd see him in the morning. This was a Friday night,

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well Saturday morning. Rolls in the sun had come out

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some there's probably maybe six or eight inches. You know

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a lot of times, and know these forecasters, they can

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either get it right or really wrong, and half right,

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I guess, And I said, I'm going to go out

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and get Wolf out and get him outside so he

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can do what he needs to do, and go ahead

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and feed him. And I walked out the back door

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and I stepped down the steps and I got on

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the sidewalk because it's a detached garage, and I stopped

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because I'm looking at the side of the snow next

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to the garage. It's probably, I don't know, ten yards

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from me, and it's about ten yards from me, and

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I'm looking at the side of this and it's pressed down.

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The snow is pressed down. I don't know why that's

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like that. Well, I started to take another step. I

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looked down and there's these tracks in the snow. They

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were I don't know, two and a half feet apart,

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sideways and it looked like an elongated dog track, but

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it was longer. I'm like, what is this. I got

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him out, and I took him out and I went

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and got my neighbor. Now, my neighbor he was he's

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a bit older than I was, and he had been

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a hunter himself. He came out, he looked, he goes,

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I've never seen anything like that. Well, our local gun

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club I'm a member of, usually the beginning of the

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year they'll have they had a ODNR person come in

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near the new game warden for the county in which

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I live. And he stood up there and was talking

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about some of the new stuff that was happening, and

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introduced himself passed out some cards. So I had one

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of his cards. I'd been talking to him afterwards, and

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I pulled his card out and I caught him up. Happened.

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He happened to be in the next town over investigating

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apostle poaching head. We'll give me a little bit and

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I'll be out. So he stopped out and he walks

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up and he's looking. He goes, I've never seen anything

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like this. He goes, I have no idea what this is.

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And he took a couple of pictures and we're standing

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there just talking. But what was interesting as we turned

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around and we were looking at these tracks, they turned

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and went back to the railroad tracks about maybe thirty

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five yards away. But it was like it hopped from

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one foot to the next. They were eight feet apart,

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one track right side, next one eight feet apart left side,

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right side, like it just hopped like something would hop,

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you know, like on its legs. After we said our

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goodbyes and Gary went home. I went in the house

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and I went to the cabinet and grabbed that same rifle.

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I said, I'm going to go up here, and I'm

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going to go track this thing. It went up on

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the tracks. I saw where the they had got that snow,

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and when the train goes by it, uh, it kind

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of blows the snow out of the where the train

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track is and it kind of builds it up on

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the sides and in between the two tracks there's more snow.

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But the snow itself on the tracks wasn't real deep,

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just a bit. And my son said, I want to go.

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And my oldest son, he was twelve at the time,

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I'm like, sure, he goes yep. I said, okay, come on,

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take a walk with dad. So we walked down these tracks. Now,

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the tracks weren't real busy then, and he and I

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walked just about a mile. I could see different spots

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where you could see a print in the snow, whether

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it was to the side next to the rail or

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just in the stones between the rails, between the stone

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between the ties. And then it was gone. I lost it.

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And I don't know if it hopped off and into

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the woods that runs next to the railroad tracks. It

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maybe hopped off and ran in near I have no idea,

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because it was just gone. It made me realize that

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this thing, as I'm walking back, this thing that night,

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to the best of my knowledge, had scented me. And

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because I had been you know, I had taken the

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the kids. There's that hill that's not far from the

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same hill that I walked down when I heard that noise.

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You know his daughter, you know, she saw that track.

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And I remember that we went sled riding right after

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Christmas because I got new sluds for Christmas down that

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hill and it was during the day and I'm thinking,

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you know, was this thing, you know, what was this

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thing watching us? I you know, I don't know. I

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have no idea. But I don't know if it kept

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my scent from that night or maybe picked it up

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since then. I have no idea. So I enjoyed camping.

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I loved the camp. It was six years before I

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went overnight camping again in the woods. I every time,

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you know, my son and I, he liked to go

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in the woods. He and I would talk just about

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his day at school, his plans after school, just anything

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that he wanted to talk about we go on a

474
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walk once a week just so he could tell me,

475
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,640
you know, his plans, his dreams, school things. But every

476
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,160
time I went, I carried a gun and something big

477
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,759
enough to get the job done, forty four mag or bigger.

478
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:39,200
It's it changes you. They want to go out, even

479
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,400
my older kids, they'd want to go out and do things,

480
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,920
or they want to go you know, here's so and so.

481
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,440
They want to go on a walk, you know. Or

482
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,279
they're teenagers. They're going to go on a walk at night.

483
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:50,839
They're going to go from point A to point B.

484
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,359
And I'm like, no, I'm sorry, you guys can't. You

485
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,200
may not like my answer, but you can't go, not

486
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,920
unless you want dad hanging around. No, so why don't

487
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,279
you invite your friends over where and they can watch

488
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:09,199
a movie or something. But how about just how about

489
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,880
just not going for a walk right now? It's something

490
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:25,000
that it drives you. When I don't know how I

491
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:31,920
heard about the dog Man Symposium from Defiance, I really

492
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,679
don't remember how I heard about it, but I made

493
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,079
sure that it was something that I was going to

494
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:43,599
go to in Defiances. I don't know, probably hour and

495
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,039
a half, two hours from where I lived, maybe maybe

496
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:53,079
a little further I don't recall anymore. And I went

497
00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:03,079
and it was interesting listening to these researchers tell what

498
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,639
they had found out and why they called it a

499
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,920
dog man under Godfrey with the termed Michigan dog Man.

500
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,480
Since that time, I have bought and read many books.

501
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,920
I have many many books on that subject. I have

502
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,920
maps that I've created, coordinates, longitude, latitude of sightings I

503
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,119
haven't pinned out, looking to see if there's any correlation

504
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,119
to how they move where they go. You know, I

505
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:41,400
know that people have thought. You know, there's Indian mounds

506
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,920
and some mounds that have never been You know that

507
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,679
there's mounds that's been found nearby, so to speak. You know,

508
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,079
next county over, So that's nearby as far as I'm concerned.

509
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,880
But you know the town I live in, you know,

510
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:03,960
in a five mile radius from the town, there's cemeteries everywhere,

511
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:08,639
large ones, small ones, family plots. There's I don't even

512
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,599
begin to count how many of them, do you think?

513
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:17,840
Probably ten or more, maybe twelve within a five mile

514
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,280
radius of where I live. And I know Linda's Linda

515
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Godfrey's train of thought she was alive, was that you know,

516
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,480
these might be a guardian of cemeteries. Perhaps perhaps they

517
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:38,079
travel routes that were because of Indians. And I know

518
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:44,199
that we live in the Five Tribes area, So I

519
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:48,639
don't know. I don't know what to think, only that

520
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,960
I know that this thing was corporeal. I watched this

521
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,199
thing breathe. I could see its chests moving, I could

522
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:56,320
see the steam coming out of its mouth. I could

523
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,559
see it looking at me, and that's something I will

524
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:09,480
never forget. Since that time, I have not told that

525
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,880
story personally to up until a couple of years ago,

526
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,440
to nobody my family, close family. That's it. People are

527
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,119
going to think you're crazy. A year and a half ago,

528
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:29,360
I was given a terminal diagnosis, no cure, no treatment,

529
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,159
just terminal, and I just wanted to make sure I

530
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,320
told as many people as I could so they could

531
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,239
decide for themselves whether they want to believe me or not.

532
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,599
It's okay. Somebody told them, and that's what's important to me.

533
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,840
In that time, since I've seen it, I have made

534
00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:02,760
it a goal to acquire the weapons needed should I

535
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,599
have the ability to seem it seems like there's one

536
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:12,840
that sticks around the area that we have a lot

537
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,679
of water and a lot of a big deer population,

538
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,559
a lot of waterways, a lot of deer, rabbits, squirrels,

539
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,159
and you know we have farmers. You know, we have

540
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,400
five minutes of me walking out my back door. I

541
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,079
could be in the woods in any direction and some

542
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:33,519
nothing but woods and farmland. And I just I thought

543
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,719
to myself, you know, having this diagnosis, would it be

544
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,719
something that I would do to try to eliminate the

545
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:48,000
one that's I've seen here and that way maybe make

546
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:52,440
it a little safer for those around me, especially in

547
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,360
my family. You know I have I have a flamethrower,

548
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,039
you name it, I probably have it. I know nothing

549
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,679
likes flames. I could go on and on and on.

550
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,559
I told you about some of my plans and what

551
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,159
I have and not going alone. Of course, night times

552
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:15,639
are now getting a little harder for me, so I

553
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,360
might have to see if I can find someone else

554
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,599
that would want to try out my plan. I'm probably

555
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:24,400
not going to come up with anybody, but it's worth

556
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:36,920
a try. In the last year, last summer, it was August,

557
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:41,039
my son who's thirteen, wanted to do a little bit

558
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:45,599
of fishing. It's the gun clubs just a little walk

559
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:50,559
from here, not too far, and it was early evening,

560
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,719
six thirty seven o'clock maybe, I said, okay, sure, So

561
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:04,119
we walked up there around the gun club pond. There's

562
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,360
a six foot chain link fence with a locking gate.

563
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,800
That's something that's required that they have. We went in

564
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,239
and we were fishing, and I don't know why I

565
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,320
did not take a firearm with me, or just going fishing,

566
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,679
just going fishing. And I had my back to the field,

567
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,440
looking back toward the range. My son was standing near

568
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:34,360
the dock that was there now behind me. To my left.

569
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,159
They had put in a windmill that generated the air

570
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,000
for the you know, as it pumped, it pumped air

571
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:49,960
underneath the water to help the fish. And I knew

572
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,079
where the line was that was coming under the water.

573
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:53,880
So I'm reeling in kind of slow because I don't

574
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,760
want to snag anything. Next thing, you know, he throws us.

575
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,440
I hear this noise. He throws his fishing pulled down,

576
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:06,079
and he runs. He sprints over to me. Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad,

577
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,800
Like what he goes, did you see it? Did you

578
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,000
see it? I said, see what? I had my back

579
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:14,320
to the field, I said, he goes, you didn't hear

580
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,199
that sound. I said, well, yeah, I heard the sound.

581
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,800
He goes, Dad, I think I saw what you saw. Well,

582
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,920
I started doing interrogating. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what did

583
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,719
you see? I said, you see a deer? No, I

584
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,639
didn't see a deer. I said, are you sure it

585
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:35,760
wasn't a deer? He goes, Dad, this thing looked like

586
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:40,320
a giant dog, he said, a really big dog, bigger

587
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,559
than any dog I've ever seen. And he goes, it

588
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:44,679
was kind of running. He goes, it was so fast.

589
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,840
He goes, it was there, then it was there, then

590
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,480
it was there, and now the distance he was covering

591
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:54,960
was maybe one hundred and twenty five yards, maybe one

592
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,639
hundred and fifty. But he goes, it was fast. He goes,

593
00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,639
it was there, there, and there, and he goes, it

594
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:03,760
was just so fast. And he says it wasn't running

595
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,320
on all fours all the time. He said, it was

596
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,599
kind of like like running half bent over and half

597
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,719
on its scores, and it would stand back up kind of.

598
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,440
And he goes, I'm scared. And I said okay, and

599
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,920
I said here that's I opened up the gate and

600
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,599
locked the gate, and I said, come out here and

601
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,440
stand get in the car. Just get in the car.

602
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,639
He goes, what are you gonna do? Said, I'm going

603
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:27,639
to go over here. You saw it next to this woodline.

604
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:31,519
I said, I'm going to go just have a look. No, no, no, no,

605
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:33,559
I said, I've got to go have a look. And

606
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:35,920
I like, I said, I didn't have a gun. I

607
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,599
said where to go in at? Oh? Right there. At

608
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:41,840
that point, I'm like, okay, So I walk over the

609
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,599
grounds hard. There's no tracks that I can see anywhere,

610
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:50,079
and I'm like, he's he's white, he's pale, I should say,

611
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,440
not much color in his face. And I get over

612
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:58,000
to the edge of the woodline and I look inside

613
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,000
and I'm looking and you know how you see something

614
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,559
first split second and then it's gone. Well, that's what happened.

615
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:09,039
I'm looking into the woods. This just like a large

616
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,360
fence line, and I'm looking through the back and it's

617
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:20,079
just from behind a tree. I see something and then

618
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,760
I look, I'm looking at it and I blink and

619
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:33,400
it's gone that quick. So we if we get back

620
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:41,480
up to the house and he comes running up the

621
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:45,519
stairs and he told my fiance what he saw, and

622
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,679
she's looking at me because I've had the discussion with

623
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:55,719
her what I've seen. Well, a few days later, she

624
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,119
was taken care of us. She's a nurse. She worked

625
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,800
ice you, she worked on a nick U truck mobile

626
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,079
intensive care unit. She worked at hospice. This woman can

627
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,760
do anything she sets her mind to. She's extremely intelligent.

628
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,280
And she'd been taking care of a very medically fragile

629
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,719
child that's too, that had a heart transplant. And it

630
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:23,159
was dark, like nine thirty, ten o'clockish maybe when she

631
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:29,719
got home, and she walked up the stairs and walked

632
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:36,639
in the house and she's looking at me, and she

633
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,679
is completely pale, no color, and she's shaking. Her hands

634
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,480
are shaking. She's shaking, and she looks at me and

635
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:45,760
she goes, I saw it. And I looked at her

636
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,559
and I said, you saw what. She goes, I saw

637
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:53,000
that thing. I said what thing. I wanted her to

638
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:56,320
be specific. She goes, I saw that dog man thing,

639
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:00,000
and she goes, I always believe you, but she goes,

640
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:04,440
when you see it, it's totally different, she goes, I

641
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,039
was just about now a mile and a half from

642
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:10,880
where we lived. There's a bridge that they had been redone.

643
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,760
I don't know a few years ago and she was

644
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,159
crossing that bridge, two lane highway, you know, it's the

645
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:21,760
main road that runs through town. And she goes, something

646
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,480
stepped out in the road and she goes, I could

647
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,880
see it. And she goes, it walked slower as it

648
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,519
got to the guardrail, and she goes, it looked weck.

649
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:39,320
She goes, it looked. She goes, it looked. She goes,

650
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:43,920
there's this wolf standing on It's this big, straggly looking

651
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,159
wolf thing standing by the guardrail. And she goes, I

652
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:52,000
came to an almost stopped looking at this thing. And

653
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:54,719
she goes, it looked at me. I'm looking at it,

654
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,920
it's looking at me. I'm catching its eyes. And she goes.

655
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,559
It hopped over the guardrail. That's a twenty five foot drop.

656
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,639
And she goes, I came right home and she goes,

657
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:09,920
I was praying to God that it didn't follow me.

658
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:28,440
So when something like that happens, I've had people say, well,

659
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:34,079
I'll believe it when I see it, and I've my

660
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:36,960
response to them has always been, I hope you never

661
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,440
see it. Then I said, I hope you don't see it,

662
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,400
because it'll change your perception on everything, on reality, on

663
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,760
what you believe is real and not real. What you

664
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,119
feel is safe when you're out. If you do a

665
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:54,880
lot of you know, again, very raw area. A lot

666
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,199
of people like to hunt or take walks in the

667
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:03,159
woods or go camping, it will change what you know.

668
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,440
So you can either take my story and you know

669
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,920
you can believe it, which is fine, and I hope

670
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,000
that if you do, you just take precautions. That's it.

671
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,800
Just take precautions and if not, I hope you never

672
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,000
see one. And that's okay. So Vic, that's been my uh,

673
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,480
that's been my story. I'm not sure where you'd like

674
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:31,679
to me to go from here.

675
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,119
Speaker 2: Well, normally at this point I would just dive in

676
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,199
and start asking you a bunch of questions, but I

677
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,639
know you're not feeling all that well right now. So

678
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,880
here's what I like to do. Would you be okay

679
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,800
if we just planned on coming back maybe at the

680
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,000
end of the week here and I just asked you

681
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:52,960
all these questions in we had to show this Friday

682
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,639
evening if you feel up to it.

683
00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:02,519
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I'm starting to feel a little, but I

684
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:06,719
would love to answer any questions you have. Like I said,

685
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,519
this is something that I I don't think there's a

686
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,280
day that goes by that don't think about it. If

687
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,440
it does, it's because something else has happened that's been

688
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,280
traumatic enough during that day where that's occupying my mind.

689
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,880
But usually when I lay down to go to sleep,

690
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:30,440
you know, it crosses my mind. So yeah, we can

691
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,480
try Friday. I mean it should be okay.

692
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: Well, let's do that. Then I totally understand. Yea, if

693
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,599
something happens traumatic enough where you don't think about the

694
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:44,679
dog man experiences because of the trauma from whatever happened

695
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,960
during the day, I can only imagine how traumatic it

696
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:50,480
must have been to keep your mind off all this. Wow.

697
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, like I said, there's every day is

698
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,920
a every day is a new day, so you can

699
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,880
you can never be too sure what's going to happen.

700
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that the truth? Yes, sir, Well, Brian, Having

701
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,320
said all that, I can't thank you enough for your time. Yeah,

702
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,000
please do go relax and try to take it easy.

703
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:14,000
And yeah, I'll just coordinate back with you to record

704
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,760
part two the Q and an we'll just take it

705
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,119
from there.

706
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: Then sounds good. Vick, thank you so much for your time,

707
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,119
Oh

708
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for yours, And try to have

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a good night,