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welcome to the show. Well, thank you, Oh you're welcome.
We just appreciate you being here. Brian, Please give us
a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Newly retired, well not too newly retired. Spent thirty six
years working in the health care industry. Various many other
things that I've done could fill ten lifetimes. I think
I live in a very small village in Ohio, and
that's where I've had my experience.
Speaker 2: Working in the healthcare field. As long as you did,
did you relb elbows with any people who worked in
the mental health side of the health field? I e.
People you could lean on if your encounters that we're
going to talk about tonight became too much for you
to deal with. Oh yeah, well, well that's a definite perk.
Then in our first conversation, Brian, you told me that
when you see a dog man, it has a way
of changing your view of the world. Please expand on
that for us, well.
Speaker 1: Vic, these things aren't supposed to exist. You know, we're
told growing up that monsters aren't real, at least I was.
And then when you see something that's not supposed to
exist and you're trying to understand what it is you're
looking at and grasp what it is you're looking at,
it changes your perception on everything. It just does your
perception on you know, I've been a very outdoor type person.
I've enjoyed hiking, hunting, camping, you name it, I've pretty
well done it. And when that occurs, when you see one,
it changes your outdoor activities. At least it did for
me for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally understandable. Yeah, up until then, up until
you realize that these guys were out there, you're living
a lie, and then all of a sudden, when that
lie was revealed to you, Yeah, it is going to
change your period time. I mean, if dogmen are out there,
what else is out there we're told isn't out there.
So that's totally understandable. It really is now that you
realize that dog men are reality. Most parents tell their
children that monsters aren't real. But if you were to
have a child tomorrow or children plural after this point
in time, once they got to be old enough to
actually understand things that you were telling them, maybe not deeply,
but somewhat understand the things that you're trying to relate
to them about how the world works. Are you the
mindset that it's a good idea to still tell them
that monsters don't exist now that you know things like
dogmen are out there, or would you tell them the truth?
Speaker 1: Well, they kind of have a thirteen year old son,
and I told him that these things are real, that
there are things out there that you won't understand, that
you think that people saying aren't real. That actually are
my oldest children. They were around for my first encounter,
and they have children of their own. I have grandchildren,
so they know and what they tell their children. I
know a few of them have been told, the older ones.
But I told him, you know, at least my son
I always told him. I said, don't worry. Everything's okay.
You know, Dad's the monster killer. It'll be okay. You know,
don't be afraid. When you go to sleep, everything's all right.
We're good.
Speaker 2: Dad's the monster killer. I love that that's great when
you told him the truth about all this? How did
he respond?
Speaker 1: Questions? Lots of questions. And the best I could do
was I live in the same area that I had
my encounter, and he and I have walked that way
many times, and I said, this is where it happened.
You know, be cautious when you're outside, Be cautious when
you're when you're walking, Be cautious when you're playing with
your friends. Don't go walking alone. He's got his uh.
Since it's kind of funny. His nephew isn't a year
older than him, and they're like best friends, and they
take walks together quite a bit. They go down to
the local creek and I've told them many times, you know,
I need to take your phone. You've got x amount
of time, you know, twenty minutes, I want you home,
half an hour, I want a phone call, whatever the
case may be. And you don't. You don't veer from
this path. This is what you do. This is where
you go, and this is when you come back. And
there's reasons I do that same thing with, you know, summertime,
they want to play hide and seek in the dark,
and I'm like, no, nope, you guys aren't splitting up,
none of you because there might be ten kids out
there and they're all running around and I'm like, no, that's
not you know, don't give me any more great hair
than when I already have. Let's not do that. Let's
just let's just, you know, stick to the yard, you know,
Let's not do it at night and go from there.
Speaker 2: It's hard enough to raise children in this day and age.
I can only imagine how much it's complicated doing that
for you when you know the dogmen are out there.
Kids are going to be kids. I don't need to
tell you that. You already know that, but kids are
going to be kids. They're going to want to go
out and play hide and seek and play in the
woods and all of that. We used to do that
sort of thing and take it for granted and never
a second thought. But now that you know dogmen are
out there and you've got children that want to do
those things, I can only imagine what you must go through.
Like I said, it just it can't be easy.
Speaker 1: It makes it tough some days, especially when they're really
wanting to go out or I go with them, you
want to hick a walk in the woods, fine, and
let's all go. It's not as much fun because you know,
Dad and grandpa's there. But you know, hey, you can
go here, here and here. I'll sit on the stump
over here, don't go far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's understandable why you do that. You're just
looking out for their well being. It's totally understandable. Now,
I'm glad that you told your youngest son about the
reality of dog men, but that's obviously some pretty heavy
stuff to lay on the kids shoulders. Is that young
Was he compromised by that knowledge?
Speaker 1: No, you know, growing up, I've always told him that
even from a younger age, you have to understand that
the world that we live in sometimes it's not all
about just what you see, it's what you don't see.
So he's he's under stood that it's something that just
like growing up. You know, I've seen black bear here,
I've tracked a mountain lion for I don't know about
a month or so. That being said, I've told him,
you know, you have to be aware of your surroundings
and that's it. Just just be aware. If something doesn't
feel right, that's your gut telling you that you need
to leave and come home. If you don't feel comfortable,
you know, walking this path, don't go that path, go
another path, or just get home. Call me. I'll meet you.
Always carry your phone with you, that's the number one rule.
And don't go someplace that you're not familiar with. That's
the best I can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always really good advice to be aware of
your surroundings. You had your first encounter in the first
week of December in two thousand and five. Before that,
so did you even know what a dog man was?
Speaker 1: Never heard of anything like that, No such thing, Never
heard that term, never thought for a moment that there
was something like this out there. The first time I
heard the term dog man was twenty sixteen at they
had a dog man symposium and Defiance, Ohio, and I
went there and I met quite a few people, and
then to Godfrey le Blackburn, Johnny ol Tenney, just to
name a few, and got to listen to what their
research had said. I actually called and talked to Linda
a couple of different times, but up until then, never
heard the term.
Speaker 2: If you didn't even know about dogmen for that experience,
then that made it to have even more of an
impact on you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did.
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would like to speak with me about it, whether I'm
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com and submit a report. All right, Brian, please tell
us about your encounters now. I give us every last
detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Just like you said. It happened in December two thousand
and five, the first or second week of December. It
was cold in December, but we hadn't had much snow
tracing maybe a little more, not much. My then wife
and I were sound asleep and we lost Our bedroom
was on the back of the house and had French
doors that opened out into the backyard. And I had
a very large dog who was a wolf mallem you breed,
and he was outside and I was sound asleep, and
I kept hearing this thunking noise. And I'm a light sleeper,
and after hearing it a few times, I got up
and I sleepily walked to the door and pulled the
curtain back and looked out the looked out the door
and what I was hearing was him walking to the
edge of his chain. It's funking his chain and he's
never done that okay. I got dressed, grabbed a big
flashlight spotlight I like I usually do when I go
outside a night regardless, because I thought, well, maybe there's
a stray dog or a coyote out there, which is
possible where we live. I grabbed my forty five and
tucked it in the back of my pants and I
walked out. And when I got out there, I turned
on my big spotlight that I was carrying, and his
hack were up, his head was down, his tail was down,
and he kept funking that chain. And his name was Wolf.
And I'm like, oh, if, what are you doing? And
as I got over to him and tried to start
petting him to try to get him to calm down,
I heard this sound. It's something I will never forget,
something I think about every single day. There's not a
day that goes by that I don't think about that sound.
And when that sound it was, to the best way
I could describe it back then, it was like a
Renaissance howl from inside, like a barrel. It had that
Renaissance sound. Now, the town was just putting in new callbts,
and some of them didn't have the tops on him yet.
They were you working on this project, and I thought,
perhaps the dog got stuck down in one something happened.
So I just started over to where I knew where
it sounded like it was coming from. It was from
where I was living at the time. Until from the
distance from where I was living to where the culvert,
I thought it was at maybe three hundred three d
and fifty yards, maybe a shade more. So I crossed
the railroad tracks and my parents they lived right on
the other side, and I cut down the side of
their field into the field behind the house, and I
started walking up the field and I heard it again,
and I thought, it doesn't sound like it's coming from
over there. It sounded like it was coming from more
directly in front of me. Now I was more curious
because I'm like, unless they're in a barrow or something,
what's making this sound. So I continued to walk until
I got to the end of the one field. Now
the field that I had walked, there was a hill
that there was a breast of the top of it.
I was at the top of the sill that went
down into another smaller field, and then there was a
side road and the noise was coming from the woods probably.
It's probably about fifty sixty yards from the road to
the north right in front of me, And I looked
down at the forty five in my hand, and I'm like,
this isn't big enough. It just didn't Something wasn't setting right.
I just didn't feel as though that forty five was
going to stop whatever it was, because I could tell
then it wasn't a dog and a barrel, because I'm
looking down at the neighbor or. The mayor's husband kept
three beagles and they used those ar old houses at
the time. It was a big thing back in the
early two thousands, I guess. And it was dead quiet
except for this howl and the one dog was trying
to dig through frozen ground to get under his barrel.
And that's pretty much what made up my mind to
go back and get something a little bit bigger. So
I alsoed back to the house and I opened up
my gun cabinet safe and I pulled out on HK
ninety one, and on that rifle. I had a night vision. Now,
back then it was atn and it was a first gen.
They worked better when there was ambient light. You could
see better, but they weren't fantastic, but hey, it was
civilian market and that's what you could get. So I
grabbed that. And when I opened up the cabinet and
I grabbed the magazine, and my then wife woke up
and asked me what I was doing, and I said, listen,
there's something out there. And I said, I have no
idea what it is, and I need to go find out.
I said, this thing is not right, something's not right.
So she followed me out to the deck on the
back of the house and she goes, why are you
going out here and doing this. I said, there's something
out there, and I need to know what it is.
I said this. I said, maybe it's an animal hurt.
Maybe it's something else. I said, maybe someone's screwing around
that thing. It howled again, and she looked at me
and said, oh my god, what is that noise? And
she's backed up to the house because about to the door,
and she stood down and she goes and she was
from the city. She was born and raised in a
large city. And when I told her where I lived,
I said, no, you'll pass a homage buggy. You could.
I said, yahmih you're out here all the time. And sure, enough.
Her first time out here, she passed a Homage buggy
on the major own coming out to visit, so she
had no idea. She wasn't you know, coyotes and you know,
bears yelling or cougar screaming. You know, those things aren't
something that she was going to ever be used to.
And I said, I'll be back, and I had my
I had a million power handle spotlight, and I started
back to where I was at. I got there, and
I went ahead and dropped down that hill, walked down
there and walked across that field. I crossed the road,
stepped over the ditch line, and walked past those dogs.
So I'm about thirty yards maybe from the woods, and
I'm just standing there and I'm shining this light kind
of looking around, and I had to. If you know firearms,
you hold on to the it was all these have
a pistol grip on it with a stock, so I
had it holding onto the pistol grip and I had
it kind of standing in the cook of my arm
and I'm just shining this spotlight, looking around and trying
to figure out what that noise is. Well, then suddenly
there was this sound of something tearing through the woods.
I mean it was just branches breaking. I could, I could.
I could hear the trees just you know, the sound
that the branches are snapping and softer branches moving. I
dropped the spotlight and I slammed the bolt shut on
this rifle. Now, if you're familiar with this brand of rifle,
this HK, the bolt that closes is on the opposite side.
It's on the left hand side. And when you hit
it with your palm and it slams shut, it makes
a pretty stout noise, especially when it's dead of night.
There's no other noise that you can hear. Well. As
soon as I did, that thing stopped. It stopped. It
stopped running, stopped moving. And now I'm more curious because
I'm like, Okay, it recognized the sound of a bolt,
but what is it? So I I looking at the woods.
I reached down and I picked that spotlight back up,
and I just want to see what made the sound.
You know, what what is this? You know, as there
is there somebody running through the woods or someone screwing around,
it sounded big. I'm like, I don't know. So I'm
signing the flashlight. This the spotlight, and having hunted and stuff,
I'm looking about four feet off the ground and I'm
just shining that thing from left to right and I
get probably H'm like exactly what angle would be, probably
sixty or seventy degrees from my center, and I thought, okay,
that's not over there. I'm going to shine it back
this way, and I started bringing it back from right
to left. Well, I raised a god knows what reason
I raised the spotlight up there. Toward the end, I
kind of raised it up and was looking up in
a tree in case something climbed up in a tree.
And as I brought it back to almost dead center
of me, there are these eyes. The best way to
describe me as they're red, and they're staring right at me,
seven maybe a little over seven feet tall, and I'm
looking at something that should not exist. I'm watching it breathe.
I see the steam coming out of its mouth, and
it has this head for better for better description, that
looked like a large German shepherd. I think I told
you that the best way I could describe what I'm
looking at was In the mid early to mid eighties,
there was a show on TV called I think it
was Werewolf with Jack Palance, and that's what this head
looked like. This thing is now, it's pushing down this
branch of a pine tree with hands. I'm looking about
from chest up, and it's just it's locked gaze with me.
It seemed like it was forever it did. I'm looking
at it. It's looking at me. There was I'm trying
to decide and understand what I'm looking at. This shouldn't exist.
I'd been asked why I didn't shoot. Honestly, I never
even thought about it. It wasn't even a thought in
my mind to aim at this thing and shoot. I
was there's no time to be afraid. But I'm just
trying to understand what it is. I'm looking at it. Probably,
I guess we probably locked eyes maybe twenty seconds. It
turned its head to my left. It's right now from
where it was standing. It was probably thirty yards of
flatter ground. Still got to go through the woods, some trees,
and then it was all uphill from there, maybe forty
yards flat. It's probably one hundred and fifty yards to
the road. That thing turned and ran unlike anything I'd
ever seen before. It ran so fast it hit that
road within five seconds, I heard it hit the gravel.
The gravel some was frozen, some was new, and that's it.
I didn't know what I was looking at. I had
no idea what I had just seen or witnessed. After
standing there for another minute or two, I turned around
and headed home. I got home and I walked into
the bedroom, and and then my wife asked me what
was it? And I said, I honestly, I really don't know.
I didn't know what I saw. I couldn't describe to
her what I saw. And I said, I've got to
go to sleep. I got to get and go to work.
I laid there the rest of the night, just contemplating
what I saw. The howling was something that I couldn't
get out of my mind. And after a couple of
weeks I found the best thing at the time that
I had to identify this thing as far as the noise,
the howl. And she walked in and I was in.
She walked into the back door. I was in the
front door, or in the front room, the living room,
and I told her, I said, just have a seat
out there. And I said, tell me, if this is
about about what we heard, it maybe close. And I
had stopped a movie right at the right spot, and
I turned it on play and she sat down. She goes,
that's really that's that's not it, but you know it's close.
I was American wherewith in London where they were on
the moors, it was it had that run sound like that.
So it was, uh, it was mid January, and we
were expecting. They had predicted a snowstorm. We were supposed
to get quite a bit of snow upwards of a foot,
they said. And I took Wolf, and I have a
I had a three car garage, only two bays, which
I used. The other bay I had a reloading shop
in and I spent a lot of time out there
reloading different types of ammunition, mostly my own. And I
took Wolf inside, and I had a bale of straw
for him and put him in there and told him
I'd see him in the morning. This was a Friday night,
well Saturday morning. Rolls in the sun had come out
some there's probably maybe six or eight inches. You know
a lot of times, and know these forecasters, they can
either get it right or really wrong, and half right,
I guess, And I said, I'm going to go out
and get Wolf out and get him outside so he
can do what he needs to do, and go ahead
and feed him. And I walked out the back door
and I stepped down the steps and I got on
the sidewalk because it's a detached garage, and I stopped
because I'm looking at the side of the snow next
to the garage. It's probably, I don't know, ten yards
from me, and it's about ten yards from me, and
I'm looking at the side of this and it's pressed down.
The snow is pressed down. I don't know why that's
like that. Well, I started to take another step. I
looked down and there's these tracks in the snow. They
were I don't know, two and a half feet apart,
sideways and it looked like an elongated dog track, but
it was longer. I'm like, what is this. I got
him out, and I took him out and I went
and got my neighbor. Now, my neighbor he was he's
a bit older than I was, and he had been
a hunter himself. He came out, he looked, he goes,
I've never seen anything like that. Well, our local gun
club I'm a member of, usually the beginning of the
year they'll have they had a ODNR person come in
near the new game warden for the county in which
I live. And he stood up there and was talking
about some of the new stuff that was happening, and
introduced himself passed out some cards. So I had one
of his cards. I'd been talking to him afterwards, and
I pulled his card out and I caught him up. Happened.
He happened to be in the next town over investigating
apostle poaching head. We'll give me a little bit and
I'll be out. So he stopped out and he walks
up and he's looking. He goes, I've never seen anything
like this. He goes, I have no idea what this is.
And he took a couple of pictures and we're standing
there just talking. But what was interesting as we turned
around and we were looking at these tracks, they turned
and went back to the railroad tracks about maybe thirty
five yards away. But it was like it hopped from
one foot to the next. They were eight feet apart,
one track right side, next one eight feet apart left side,
right side, like it just hopped like something would hop,
you know, like on its legs. After we said our
goodbyes and Gary went home. I went in the house
and I went to the cabinet and grabbed that same rifle.
I said, I'm going to go up here, and I'm
going to go track this thing. It went up on
the tracks. I saw where the they had got that snow,
and when the train goes by it, uh, it kind
of blows the snow out of the where the train
track is and it kind of builds it up on
the sides and in between the two tracks there's more snow.
But the snow itself on the tracks wasn't real deep,
just a bit. And my son said, I want to go.
And my oldest son, he was twelve at the time,
I'm like, sure, he goes yep. I said, okay, come on,
take a walk with dad. So we walked down these tracks. Now,
the tracks weren't real busy then, and he and I
walked just about a mile. I could see different spots
where you could see a print in the snow, whether
it was to the side next to the rail or
just in the stones between the rails, between the stone
between the ties. And then it was gone. I lost it.
And I don't know if it hopped off and into
the woods that runs next to the railroad tracks. It
maybe hopped off and ran in near I have no idea,
because it was just gone. It made me realize that
this thing, as I'm walking back, this thing that night,
to the best of my knowledge, had scented me. And
because I had been you know, I had taken the
the kids. There's that hill that's not far from the
same hill that I walked down when I heard that noise.
You know his daughter, you know, she saw that track.
And I remember that we went sled riding right after
Christmas because I got new sluds for Christmas down that
hill and it was during the day and I'm thinking,
you know, was this thing, you know, what was this
thing watching us? I you know, I don't know. I
have no idea. But I don't know if it kept
my scent from that night or maybe picked it up
since then. I have no idea. So I enjoyed camping.
I loved the camp. It was six years before I
went overnight camping again in the woods. I every time,
you know, my son and I, he liked to go
in the woods. He and I would talk just about
his day at school, his plans after school, just anything
that he wanted to talk about we go on a
walk once a week just so he could tell me,
you know, his plans, his dreams, school things. But every
time I went, I carried a gun and something big
enough to get the job done, forty four mag or bigger.
It's it changes you. They want to go out, even
my older kids, they'd want to go out and do things,
or they want to go you know, here's so and so.
They want to go on a walk, you know. Or
they're teenagers. They're going to go on a walk at night.
They're going to go from point A to point B.
And I'm like, no, I'm sorry, you guys can't. You
may not like my answer, but you can't go, not
unless you want dad hanging around. No, so why don't
you invite your friends over where and they can watch
a movie or something. But how about just how about
just not going for a walk right now? It's something
that it drives you. When I don't know how I
heard about the dog Man Symposium from Defiance, I really
don't remember how I heard about it, but I made
sure that it was something that I was going to
go to in Defiances. I don't know, probably hour and
a half, two hours from where I lived, maybe maybe
a little further I don't recall anymore. And I went
and it was interesting listening to these researchers tell what
they had found out and why they called it a
dog man under Godfrey with the termed Michigan dog Man.
Since that time, I have bought and read many books.
I have many many books on that subject. I have
maps that I've created, coordinates, longitude, latitude of sightings I
haven't pinned out, looking to see if there's any correlation
to how they move where they go. You know, I
know that people have thought. You know, there's Indian mounds
and some mounds that have never been You know that
there's mounds that's been found nearby, so to speak. You know,
next county over, So that's nearby as far as I'm concerned.
But you know the town I live in, you know,
in a five mile radius from the town, there's cemeteries everywhere,
large ones, small ones, family plots. There's I don't even
begin to count how many of them, do you think?
Probably ten or more, maybe twelve within a five mile
radius of where I live. And I know Linda's Linda
Godfrey's train of thought she was alive, was that you know,
these might be a guardian of cemeteries. Perhaps perhaps they
travel routes that were because of Indians. And I know
that we live in the Five Tribes area, So I
don't know. I don't know what to think, only that
I know that this thing was corporeal. I watched this
thing breathe. I could see its chests moving, I could
see the steam coming out of its mouth. I could
see it looking at me, and that's something I will
never forget. Since that time, I have not told that
story personally to up until a couple of years ago,
to nobody my family, close family. That's it. People are
going to think you're crazy. A year and a half ago,
I was given a terminal diagnosis, no cure, no treatment,
just terminal, and I just wanted to make sure I
told as many people as I could so they could
decide for themselves whether they want to believe me or not.
It's okay. Somebody told them, and that's what's important to me.
In that time, since I've seen it, I have made
it a goal to acquire the weapons needed should I
have the ability to seem it seems like there's one
that sticks around the area that we have a lot
of water and a lot of a big deer population,
a lot of waterways, a lot of deer, rabbits, squirrels,
and you know we have farmers. You know, we have
five minutes of me walking out my back door. I
could be in the woods in any direction and some
nothing but woods and farmland. And I just I thought
to myself, you know, having this diagnosis, would it be
something that I would do to try to eliminate the
one that's I've seen here and that way maybe make
it a little safer for those around me, especially in
my family. You know I have I have a flamethrower,
you name it, I probably have it. I know nothing
likes flames. I could go on and on and on.
I told you about some of my plans and what
I have and not going alone. Of course, night times
are now getting a little harder for me, so I
might have to see if I can find someone else
that would want to try out my plan. I'm probably
not going to come up with anybody, but it's worth
a try. In the last year, last summer, it was August,
my son who's thirteen, wanted to do a little bit
of fishing. It's the gun clubs just a little walk
from here, not too far, and it was early evening,
six thirty seven o'clock maybe, I said, okay, sure, So
we walked up there around the gun club pond. There's
a six foot chain link fence with a locking gate.
That's something that's required that they have. We went in
and we were fishing, and I don't know why I
did not take a firearm with me, or just going fishing,
just going fishing. And I had my back to the field,
looking back toward the range. My son was standing near
the dock that was there now behind me. To my left.
They had put in a windmill that generated the air
for the you know, as it pumped, it pumped air
underneath the water to help the fish. And I knew
where the line was that was coming under the water.
So I'm reeling in kind of slow because I don't
want to snag anything. Next thing, you know, he throws us.
I hear this noise. He throws his fishing pulled down,
and he runs. He sprints over to me. Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad,
Like what he goes, did you see it? Did you
see it? I said, see what? I had my back
to the field, I said, he goes, you didn't hear
that sound. I said, well, yeah, I heard the sound.
He goes, Dad, I think I saw what you saw. Well,
I started doing interrogating. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what did
you see? I said, you see a deer? No, I
didn't see a deer. I said, are you sure it
wasn't a deer? He goes, Dad, this thing looked like
a giant dog, he said, a really big dog, bigger
than any dog I've ever seen. And he goes, it
was kind of running. He goes, it was so fast.
He goes, it was there, then it was there, then
it was there, and now the distance he was covering
was maybe one hundred and twenty five yards, maybe one
hundred and fifty. But he goes, it was fast. He goes,
it was there, there, and there, and he goes, it
was just so fast. And he says it wasn't running
on all fours all the time. He said, it was
kind of like like running half bent over and half
on its scores, and it would stand back up kind of.
And he goes, I'm scared. And I said okay, and
I said here that's I opened up the gate and
locked the gate, and I said, come out here and
stand get in the car. Just get in the car.
He goes, what are you gonna do? Said, I'm going
to go over here. You saw it next to this woodline.
I said, I'm going to go just have a look. No, no, no, no,
I said, I've got to go have a look. And
I like, I said, I didn't have a gun. I
said where to go in at? Oh? Right there. At
that point, I'm like, okay, So I walk over the
grounds hard. There's no tracks that I can see anywhere,
and I'm like, he's he's white, he's pale, I should say,
not much color in his face. And I get over
to the edge of the woodline and I look inside
and I'm looking and you know how you see something
first split second and then it's gone. Well, that's what happened.
I'm looking into the woods. This just like a large
fence line, and I'm looking through the back and it's
just from behind a tree. I see something and then
I look, I'm looking at it and I blink and
it's gone that quick. So we if we get back
up to the house and he comes running up the
stairs and he told my fiance what he saw, and
she's looking at me because I've had the discussion with
her what I've seen. Well, a few days later, she
was taken care of us. She's a nurse. She worked
ice you, she worked on a nick U truck mobile
intensive care unit. She worked at hospice. This woman can
do anything she sets her mind to. She's extremely intelligent.
And she'd been taking care of a very medically fragile
child that's too, that had a heart transplant. And it
was dark, like nine thirty, ten o'clockish maybe when she
got home, and she walked up the stairs and walked
in the house and she's looking at me, and she
is completely pale, no color, and she's shaking. Her hands
are shaking. She's shaking, and she looks at me and
she goes, I saw it. And I looked at her
and I said, you saw what. She goes, I saw
that thing. I said what thing. I wanted her to
be specific. She goes, I saw that dog man thing,
and she goes, I always believe you, but she goes,
when you see it, it's totally different, she goes, I
was just about now a mile and a half from
where we lived. There's a bridge that they had been redone.
I don't know a few years ago and she was
crossing that bridge, two lane highway, you know, it's the
main road that runs through town. And she goes, something
stepped out in the road and she goes, I could
see it. And she goes, it walked slower as it
got to the guardrail, and she goes, it looked weck.
She goes, it looked. She goes, it looked. She goes,
there's this wolf standing on It's this big, straggly looking
wolf thing standing by the guardrail. And she goes, I
came to an almost stopped looking at this thing. And
she goes, it looked at me. I'm looking at it,
it's looking at me. I'm catching its eyes. And she goes.
It hopped over the guardrail. That's a twenty five foot drop.
And she goes, I came right home and she goes,
I was praying to God that it didn't follow me.
So when something like that happens, I've had people say, well,
I'll believe it when I see it, and I've my
response to them has always been, I hope you never
see it. Then I said, I hope you don't see it,
because it'll change your perception on everything, on reality, on
what you believe is real and not real. What you
feel is safe when you're out. If you do a
lot of you know, again, very raw area. A lot
of people like to hunt or take walks in the
woods or go camping, it will change what you know.
So you can either take my story and you know
you can believe it, which is fine, and I hope
that if you do, you just take precautions. That's it.
Just take precautions and if not, I hope you never
see one. And that's okay. So Vic, that's been my uh,
that's been my story. I'm not sure where you'd like
to me to go from here.
Speaker 2: Well, normally at this point I would just dive in
and start asking you a bunch of questions, but I
know you're not feeling all that well right now. So
here's what I like to do. Would you be okay
if we just planned on coming back maybe at the
end of the week here and I just asked you
all these questions in we had to show this Friday
evening if you feel up to it.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I'm starting to feel a little, but I
would love to answer any questions you have. Like I said,
this is something that I I don't think there's a
day that goes by that don't think about it. If
it does, it's because something else has happened that's been
traumatic enough during that day where that's occupying my mind.
But usually when I lay down to go to sleep,
you know, it crosses my mind. So yeah, we can
try Friday. I mean it should be okay.
Speaker 2: Well, let's do that. Then I totally understand. Yea, if
something happens traumatic enough where you don't think about the
dog man experiences because of the trauma from whatever happened
during the day, I can only imagine how traumatic it
must have been to keep your mind off all this. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, like I said, there's every day is
a every day is a new day, so you can
you can never be too sure what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that the truth? Yes, sir, Well, Brian, Having
said all that, I can't thank you enough for your time. Yeah,
please do go relax and try to take it easy.
And yeah, I'll just coordinate back with you to record
part two the Q and an we'll just take it
from there.
Speaker 1: Then sounds good. Vick, thank you so much for your time,
Oh
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for yours, And try to have
a good night,