WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.839 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.639 not intended for all audiences. 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:08.519 Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:16.120 The guys came in here and are instantly hostile. Wise, 5 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:17.679 I don't know, guys. 6 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:22.079 Okay, this is my life here, this is my life 7 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:24.879 is it's on the line here right now. I didn't 8 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.480 do anything to hurt anybody else's life, And yes, I 9 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:29.320 have a reason to feel the way I feel. 10 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:44.560 Austin, Texas is known for its music, its culture, and 11 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:49.079 it's easy charm. But on the gray November morning of 12 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:52.679 two thousand and one that Tarum didn't reach the Travis 13 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:57.399 County Sheriff's office. In a small interview room, detective sat 14 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:00.520 across from a middle aged woman and told or something 15 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:02.640 that she could have never imagined. 16 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.480 Okay, let's talk a. 17 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.359 Little bit about where we're going with this. 18 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:11.959 If you notice the signs on the door when we. 19 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:16.680 Came, I figured it was startin on homicide. 20 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:18.959 And we're investigating a murder. 21 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.599 I'm trying to figure out why your van would be 22 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:32.760 an Austin. We have several witnesses that haven't described a 23 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:35.560 man driving this van. 24 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:40.519 The detectives told the woman that they suspected her van 25 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:46.000 driving husband was a murderer. She claimed this news frightened her, 26 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:51.680 yet her demeanor remained unnervingly calm, cold and composed. 27 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.239 It's like I'm living in a dream right now, because 28 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:59.040 it's up until I'm mad him. I just I didn't 29 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.200 have any contact with the law other than I guess. 30 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:06.439 I don't want to believe this, that it's even happening, 31 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:09.439 but I am very scared. 32 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:14.000 This interview was just one piece of a much larger 33 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.400 investigation when that centered on a forty three year old 34 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.280 woman named Diane Hollick. 35 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.360 Let's talk a little bit about Diane's work. She works 36 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:27.120 for IBM and she doesn't. Does she work out of 37 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:28.240 an office or does she work out. 38 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:28.560 Of her home? 39 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:30.039 She worked out of her home. 40 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:30.319 Okay? 41 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:31.439 And how long has Diane worked for. 42 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:33.479 I mean God, twenty four years? 43 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:36.719 What does she do exactly for Yman? 44 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:43.080 She IBM is very specialized. They have managers for people 45 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:47.520 going to the bathroom. Yeah, she managed people that were 46 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:52.080 reaching their second year in IBM, and she was developing 47 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:54.159 programs for them to procur development. 48 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.280 By two thousand and one, Diane had spent many years 49 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:03.280 working as a supervisor IBM, helping God new employees through 50 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:07.159 their training. She took pride in her job, but her 51 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:11.159 greatest joy came from something outside of the office or 52 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:11.919 two dogs. 53 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:13.599 Diane and those. 54 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:17.319 Dogs were That's when I heard that they were her life. 55 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:21.800 Diane lived alone with her two dogs, but she wasn't 56 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:27.280 without company. She'd never lacked attention from men. She was attractive, 57 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:30.080 full of life, and she had the kind of personality 58 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:34.240 that drew people in. She'd been married twice and divorced 59 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:35.159 twice as well. 60 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:37.080 Yeah, I saw some wedding pictures. 61 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:41.199 She was married twice before, once for I think four years, 62 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:45.719 again only for like four months to some sure, I 63 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:50.680 guess that, you know, just totally took advantage generally. 64 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:55.000 After her second divorce, Diane signed up for a dating service, 65 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.719 the kind where you filled out forms, not a profile. 66 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.719 It was the early two thousands. It was a different time. 67 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:07.560 There's no tender and Facebook didn't exist yet. The service 68 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:10.080 eventually matched Diane with a forty five year old man 69 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.599 who worked in the computer industry, a Houston business owner 70 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:15.039 named Dennis Conley. 71 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.079 How long have you known Diane? How did you guys. 72 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:24.120 Meet me through the dating service? It's just lunch about 73 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:25.160 thirteen months ago. 74 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:27.040 That's the name of the days. 75 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:28.279 It's just lunch. 76 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.160 Yeah, you have to pay to join, and it's like, 77 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.120 you know, I mean, they just they don't it's not 78 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:37.279 a computer thing or anything like that. 79 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:39.120 They try to match you. 80 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:41.959 Up and I take you gets hit it up pretty good, Yeah, 81 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:42.959 we did immediately. 82 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:48.160 Diane and Dennis's relationship was a classic fools rush in scenario. 83 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:54.040 Things got serious fast, too fast, and before long they 84 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.079 were already talking about moving in together and getting married. 85 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.319 We met each other on the fifth of October last year. 86 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.759 We both agreed that we would move to Houston because. 87 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.560 We got engaged, I believe. 88 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:13.120 Around but like the middle of December, you know, we 89 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.720 both knew it was kind of crazy, but I was 90 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.160 just totally happy. 91 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:21.319 Within two months of meeting, Diane and Dennis were engaged 92 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:24.560 and planning a fresh start, which included a new home 93 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:28.759 in Houston and a new life together. But it didn't 94 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:35.399 take long for the cracks to show. Like many whirlwind romances, 95 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.560 the couple started to realize they might not be as 96 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.680 compatible as they first thought. 97 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.360 Like March, everything was going pretty good and then we 98 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:47.639 ran into some rough spots. We were going to build 99 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.120 a house in Houston, and I decided that, you know, 100 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:54.519 given the fact that we weren't getting along together very well. 101 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:55.560 I mean there was no fight. 102 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:56.480 I mean, we don't fight. 103 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:00.639 It's just, you know, everybody carries baggage into your relationlationships 104 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:04.879 at this age, and our baggage was clashing and we 105 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:07.000 were working on it, but we decided not to be 106 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:11.720 engaged anymore, but steadily. I mean, We've been to therapy together, 107 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.120 and I mean we were really really making breakthroughs, you know, 108 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:19.199 and in fact, you know, I was going to ask 109 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:20.199 her to marry me again. 110 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:21.519 And all the Thanksgiving while we. 111 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:24.079 Were up with my parents, they kept trying to make 112 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:27.839 it work, and eventually Diane decided she would still move 113 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.360 to Houston and live with Dennis. 114 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:32.600 And she when did she decide to sell her at 115 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:33.360 her home. 116 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:39.279 When she started looking at places in Houston about I'm 117 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:42.160 going to say a month ago. But the plan was 118 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.680 is you know, she was going to sell that and move. 119 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:45.000 In with me. 120 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.959 As Diane prepared to move, she put her house up 121 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:51.920 on the market, but the news of her move didn't 122 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:55.079 sit well with another man in her life, someone who 123 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:56.279 didn't want to see her go. 124 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:58.759 As anybody got in the hold of Ray. 125 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.279 They're trying to figure out who Ray is. We've heard 126 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:03.959 about Ray. 127 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.839 He's like thirty something. He just got out of the 128 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.839 army couple. He's very, very, very smart. He's probably one 129 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:15.759 of the smartest programmers that IBM has. He's very very smart. 130 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:17.680 But he's he's out there, he's on the edge. 131 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:23.480 Thirty year old Ray Clancy worked with Diane at IBM. 132 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.879 In fact, she had hired him, and over time they 133 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:28.439 had become very close friends. 134 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:30.600 So people said, you guys are pretty close. 135 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:31.480 You're very close. 136 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:33.959 Yeah, I know, Dian pod betted than most people in 137 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.079 the town. What's your house for the last couple of 138 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:39.680 years of dogs? I think she's got guard the openers. 139 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:40.839 Of course it doesn't work right now. 140 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:45.600 They have known each other since I think Diane's been here. 141 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:47.959 He's from Louisiana. 142 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:50.480 What was her relationship? 143 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:51.120 Did they date it? 144 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.199 They all know it was a very odd relationship. 145 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:56.560 Because what does that to explain that to me? What 146 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:57.560 that means like in. 147 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:03.439 Other words, the way Diane described to me, he seemed 148 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:06.160 to worship the ground. 149 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:07.399 She walks on. 150 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:15.120 Ray like Diane a lot, and well, Diane didn't feel 151 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:20.639 the same way. She valued his friendship. Ray often offered 152 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.279 to help her with things around the house, sir to 153 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:27.040 watch her dogs when she was away. It wasn't romantic, 154 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:30.600 but everyone who knew about their relationship thought it was 155 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:32.759 a little unusual. 156 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:35.200 I was I'll fix everything in her house that was broken. 157 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:36.480 I'm an fix up man too. You can do a 158 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.600 buddy thing in the house. So anytimes she had her 159 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:40.000 repair in the house, I did it for her after 160 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.440 her own almost everything. He locks on the doors and 161 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.399 all that kind of gustaff because the house came with me. 162 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:47.720 I weren't dating because she didn't want to date it 163 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:49.840 over ago. She didn't wan because almost six kids. She 164 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:50.480 doesn't want kid. 165 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.720 Oh my lord, okay, six kid. 166 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:55.519 Yeah. 167 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:57.840 He watches the dogs, so it's great to have somebody 168 00:08:57.879 --> 00:08:58.840 to watch the dogs. 169 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:00.639 And and he did. 170 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.120 The dogs were crazy about him, and he did take 171 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:03.879 good care of him. 172 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.559 And he did lots of stuff around the house for her. 173 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:07.480 You know, he kicked her. 174 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.840 Garage door like in Newmobile times. And my whole thing was, Hey, 175 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:14.080 he seems like a nice guy, Diane. Jeez, he's watching 176 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.320 your dogs and he's fixing your stuff. He seems pretty harmless, 177 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:19.440 So why don't you just lighten up on him, and 178 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.559 for a long time, up until that last falling out, 179 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:24.279 that appeared to be the case. 180 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:29.919 For all his effort, Diane had firmly planted Ray in 181 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:35.399 the friend zone, and everyone seemed to know it except him. Eventually, 182 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.960 he and Diane had a falling out. He stopped returning 183 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.480 her calls as quickly and became less eager to help 184 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:46.559 with the little things. Then a few weeks later, Diane 185 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:49.919 missed an important employee meeting at IBM. 186 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.519 Diane had not made an appointment or done whatever business 187 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:56.039 she was supposed to do on Friday. That's when she 188 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:59.440 became concerned, and that's what she called the police department. 189 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.759 After Diane missed this meeting, one of her coworkers requested 190 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.840 a police welfare check. When officers arrived at her home, 191 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.840 no one answered the door. They went inside and eventually 192 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.000 found Diane's lifeless body. 193 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.639 Did they didn't know what they found her bedroom. 194 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:22.039 She was in the upstairs bedroom with a where. 195 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:23.440 The shes upstairs. 196 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:28.480 Ever, Diane was found on the floor of the upstairs bedroom. 197 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.000 She was fully clothed and had been brutally strangled to death. 198 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:35.840 There were no signs of what led up to it, 199 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:41.240 no argument, no fourst entry, no warning at all, and 200 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:45.440 no sign of how the killer had managed to disappear 201 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:46.799 without a trace. 202 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.159 I can't tell you that it was ruled a homicide 203 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.279 by a strangulation, okay, and I won't give you any 204 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:55.879 of the other details. 205 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:57.720 Now. 206 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.200 Scant imagine he would do that. 207 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.759 Dennis claimed that he couldn't understand why anyone would want 208 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:09.559 to hurt Diane, but detectives weren't so sure he was 209 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:14.080 being honest, not just about Diane's murder, but about their 210 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:17.679 relationship in general. Much of what he'd told them about 211 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:22.360 how they got along screamed of minimization. At the same time, 212 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:27.399 detectives were equally puzzled by Diane's friend, Ray Clancy, a 213 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.200 man who seemed to orbit her life long after she'd 214 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:36.120 made it clear she wasn't interested. His behavior, his access 215 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.639 to her home, and his attitude after her death all 216 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:44.960 raised red flax between the two of them. Detectives couldn't 217 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:49.360 shake the feeling that one was hiding something. The challenge 218 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:53.320 was figuring out where the truth stopped and where the 219 00:11:53.399 --> 00:12:27.360 lie started. On November fifteenth, two thousand and one, forty 220 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:31.279 three year old Diane Hollick was at her Northwest Austin home, 221 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.279 preparing for a move that would mark the next chapter 222 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.639 of her life, but by the following morning, she was dead, 223 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:44.639 found strangled in an upstairs bedroom of her home. In 224 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:48.960 the days that followed, detectives started piecing together the timeline 225 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:54.559 of her final hours. They processed her house and collected evidence. 226 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:58.279 We have the house sealed for right now, and we're 227 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.279 going to keep it that way until we, you know, 228 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.120 gather a lot more information, trying to focus in on 229 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.000 the things that are important. Obviously, we've done a lot 230 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:08.279 of the forensic most of the forensic stuff. 231 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.200 The crime scene was strange and ominous, not because of 232 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:17.080 what was found, but because of what wasn't. Diane was 233 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:19.919 discovered face down on the floor of an upstairs bedroom. 234 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:24.559 She was fully dressed, with marks on her wrists consistent 235 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.159 with being bound, and deep ligature marks around her neck. 236 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.879 There were no signs of forced entry, no struggle, and 237 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.879 nothing to suggest sexual assault. The scene was eerily clean, 238 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:42.200 so clean, in fact, that even Diane's own fingerprints were 239 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:45.159 missing from places police expected to find them. 240 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:51.000 U she ramed doesn't appear, so we won't know, obviously, 241 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:54.720 until all the test results come back, but doesn't appear 242 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:55.840 she was fully clothed. 243 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.600 As for suspects, detectives quickly focused on two men. Her fiance, 244 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:06.080 Dennis Conley, had a coworker who, by all accounts, wished 245 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:12.200 he was Diane's fiance. His name was Ray Clancy. One question, 246 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:17.240 both men offered nearly identical statements about Diane and her background. 247 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.840 They told police that Diane had no enemies, that everyone 248 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.399 who knew her loved her. 249 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.480 Can you think of anybody that would want to hurt Diane? 250 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.279 Everybody loved her, everybody that matter. 251 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.720 Had enemies, and nobody that didn't like her. Louisbod who 252 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.200 didn't like Diane's If the personality was fantastic, it was 253 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.200 a gorgeous few persons. 254 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:45.399 Initially, investigators turned their attention to Dennis, but he looked clean, 255 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:49.799 at least on paper. He had no criminal record and 256 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:51.080 no history of violence. 257 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:53.919 This is the first time I've ever been in a 258 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:57.759 police station so other than when I was a legal 259 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:03.759 officer in the Marine Corps and I took people theref According. 260 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:05.120 To Dennis, his last contact with Diane was on the 261 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:10.000 afternoon of her death. They exchanged messages online during the 262 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.720 workday and Diane mentioned she may have found someone interested 263 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:15.200 in buying her house. 264 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.919 Yeah, she said, somebody was really super interested in her 265 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.000 house Thursday afternoon online she goes keep her finger crossed, 266 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.320 fingers crossed, and she doesn't usually say that unless somebody's 267 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:29.519 really interested. So well, one of the questions that I 268 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:30.960 have for you, and you don't have to answer this, 269 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:33.320 but I think may fit into this as well, is 270 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:35.120 you know, did. 271 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:36.639 She still have her engagement ring on? 272 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.320 Because if she didn't, then that's that's what I think 273 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:42.120 might have happened. 274 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:43.080 Is somebody came in. 275 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.080 Yeah, we need to talk about all her jewelry. 276 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:46.799 I mean there's things. 277 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.919 Yeah, And that's why I needed you really come down here. 278 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.960 And I don't want to have to ask I understand that. 279 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.679 One thing that stood out about Diane's interview was how 280 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.759 eager he seemed to offer up theories, any theory about 281 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:08.519 what might have happened to Diane. Maybe it was genuine speculation, 282 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.000 or maybe it was a way to steer attention away 283 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:16.919 from himself. One theory he floated was that Diane could 284 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:19.879 have been showing her home to a potential buyer who 285 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.440 noticed her engagement ring and decided to rob her. Maybe 286 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:28.519 she fought back and things turned violent. Maybe this murder 287 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:33.960 was a robbery gone wrong, or maybe Dennis just wanted 288 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:35.039 to make it look that way. 289 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:38.679 Do you have a photograph of the ring or any 290 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:39.919 information on that ring? 291 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.559 I can get it, Okay. 292 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:43.720 I'm probably gonna need it because we can't find the ring. 293 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.679 My understanding was from missus Brown was that she always 294 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:49.279 wore that ring. 295 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:50.080 Yeah, she did. 296 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:52.759 And I told her, you know, I told her, I said, 297 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.320 you know, when you go down to the park or whatever. 298 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.840 Da YadA not, you know, be flashing. 299 00:16:58.399 --> 00:16:59.879 That thing around. 300 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:05.160 It's a diamonite, a twenty thousand dollars, you know, I mean, 301 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:06.240 it was a beautiful ring. 302 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:07.359 Did you buy it for her? 303 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:07.599 Yes? 304 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:07.880 I did. 305 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.160 She's so goddamn stubborn. 306 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:11.920 Know, if they were king of trying to take the ring, 307 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:15.440 I'll bet she fought tooth and nail for that, you. 308 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.440 Know, And certainly robbery is a motive. 309 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:18.240 There's no doubt. 310 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:19.920 I will tell you she would have had that. 311 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:23.759 Ring on, There's no doubt in my mind. Well it's 312 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:24.480 missing right now. 313 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.400 Like Dennis, Ray also confirmed that Diane always wore her 314 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:34.359 engagement ring. The obvious assumption was that whoever committed the murder, 315 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.039 had taken it the ring. 316 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:39.000 Treat care it or something like that. 317 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.799 It's a big one. I've never seen it without wearing it. 318 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:43.759 And I always been to ask her if you were 319 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:45.480 breaking up, mind you buried ring, but I never would. 320 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:46.359 That's kind of insulting. 321 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:48.599 I'm never seen him take it off before, even whenever 322 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.559 they were split apart in fighting, she never took it off. 323 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:55.960 As for Dennis, if he was the killer, investigators had 324 00:17:55.960 --> 00:18:00.480 to consider possible motives. He admitted that his relationship with 325 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:05.319 Diane wasn't perfect, but the problems he described seemed pretty mild, 326 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.920 especially for a couple that had recently called off their engagement. 327 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.039 Perhaps things with Dennis and Diane were much worse than 328 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:15.079 he was letting on. 329 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:18.039 Yeah, we had her ups and downs, no question, but 330 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:18.759 they weren't you know. 331 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:20.440 It wasn't like it was physicified. 332 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:24.920 It's nothing never never, never even angry or loud words. 333 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:26.000 What were your big issues? 334 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.000 Money, no other people in relationship. 335 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.720 It was just it's stupid, you know. 336 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.480 That's one of the things I think I'll learn out 337 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.519 of this steal is the little things starn't really that important. 338 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:39.039 That's where I was getting to too. 339 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:42.640 But according to Dennis, a major point of tension in 340 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:46.920 their relationship was what he saw as Diane's obsession with 341 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:50.759 their dogs. It wasn't thrilled about the idea of buying 342 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.920 a new house together only to have the two large 343 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:58.000 dogs tear it up. But for Diane, her dogs were 344 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:04.160 her family, further them as her kids, and they weren't negotiable. 345 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:07.359 Mostly it was a dogs either or not he hates 346 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:09.200 I would say he hates those, but you didn't a 347 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:13.839 doggy person, and she, in her mind, it was important 348 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:15.799 for him to like the dogs. If he didn't like him, 349 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:17.200 that was too good in bed and he didn't get 350 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:18.039 to buy somebody else. 351 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:23.359 Dennis told detectives that he did eventually come around. He 352 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:28.640 realized that his issue with the dogs wasn't worth losing Diane. 353 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.359 The thing that got me back and really really cemented it, 354 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:37.559 was that you know, she's I remember her saying, you 355 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:39.960 know that she would she loved me, and that she 356 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:44.160 would jump the chance to be in a relationship. 357 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:45.519 And marry me, and you know, no matter how long 358 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.640 it took, And that really just settled in my heart, 359 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:49.160 and I just. 360 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:51.599 Said, you know, I'm not going to ever find anybody 361 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.200 that loves me as much as she does. 362 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:54.759 So. 363 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.880 Dennis's version of the relationship was that he and Diane 364 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:02.279 had worked through their rough patches. The engagement might have 365 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:06.640 been called off, but he said things were improving and 366 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:09.400 that he planned to propose to her again. 367 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:11.720 Did you get had you guys said a wedding date? 368 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:14.279 No, but we talked about it last last weekend. 369 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:15.200 We were together here. 370 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:17.920 We had a great weekend, no issues. 371 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:20.079 You know. 372 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:21.480 She goes, so, when do we getting married? 373 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:25.480 And I said, I'm thinking, you know, October, but you know, 374 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:27.359 next year, but we might move that on, you know, 375 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:28.440 how things go. 376 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:31.279 Okay, So yeah, I mean we had not set a date. 377 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:34.519 But then again, I had officially asked her to marry 378 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:36.400 me again, and I was going to say that for 379 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:39.079 you know, around the same time. 380 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:40.640 That I asked her last year, just kind of as 381 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:41.400 a special thing. 382 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:46.440 While keeping a close eye on Dennis, investigators also focused 383 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:50.640 their attention on another man in Diane's life, her friend 384 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.920 and coworker and someone who clearly had feelings for her, 385 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:56.759 Ray Clancy and Ray. 386 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.599 That's the deal with Ray, Okay, so is a very 387 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:05.440 dysfunctional person from my standpoint, in the fact that he 388 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:10.720 seems to be attracted to women that are not attracted 389 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:12.240 to him. 390 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:12.519 Right. 391 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:16.000 I freely admitted that he had romantic feelings for Diane, 392 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:19.640 but he denied that his willingness to help her watching 393 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:23.039 her dogs, fixing things around her house had anything to 394 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.759 do with that. He said he was simply trying to 395 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:28.559 repay her for bending a few rules at IBM to 396 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:29.640 help get him hired. 397 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:32.359 Had a little crush on her. 398 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:36.400 Yeah, I always had a question, Diana say, I remember. 399 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.359 When harmony I'd had behind the GPA, and they refused 400 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:42.119 the harmony in IBM. 401 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:44.559