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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: The guys came in here and are instantly hostile. Wise,

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I don't know, guys.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is my life here, this is my life

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is it's on the line here right now. I didn't

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do anything to hurt anybody else's life, And yes, I

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have a reason to feel the way I feel.

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Speaker 1: Austin, Texas is known for its music, its culture, and

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it's easy charm. But on the gray November morning of

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two thousand and one that Tarum didn't reach the Travis

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County Sheriff's office. In a small interview room, detective sat

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across from a middle aged woman and told or something

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that she could have never imagined.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit about where we're going with this.

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Speaker 3: If you notice the signs on the door when we.

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Speaker 5: Came, I figured it was startin on homicide.

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Speaker 3: And we're investigating a murder.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out why your van would be

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an Austin. We have several witnesses that haven't described a

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man driving this van.

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Speaker 1: The detectives told the woman that they suspected her van

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driving husband was a murderer. She claimed this news frightened her,

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yet her demeanor remained unnervingly calm, cold and composed.

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Speaker 6: It's like I'm living in a dream right now, because

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it's up until I'm mad him. I just I didn't

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have any contact with the law other than I guess.

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I don't want to believe this, that it's even happening,

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but I am very scared.

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Speaker 1: This interview was just one piece of a much larger

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investigation when that centered on a forty three year old

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woman named Diane Hollick.

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Speaker 7: Let's talk a little bit about Diane's work. She works

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for IBM and she doesn't. Does she work out of

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an office or does she work out.

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Speaker 5: Of her home?

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Speaker 3: She worked out of her home.

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Speaker 8: Okay?

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Speaker 5: And how long has Diane worked for.

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Speaker 9: I mean God, twenty four years?

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Speaker 5: What does she do exactly for Yman?

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Speaker 9: She IBM is very specialized. They have managers for people

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going to the bathroom. Yeah, she managed people that were

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reaching their second year in IBM, and she was developing

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programs for them to procur development.

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Speaker 1: By two thousand and one, Diane had spent many years

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working as a supervisor IBM, helping God new employees through

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their training. She took pride in her job, but her

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greatest joy came from something outside of the office or

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two dogs.

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Speaker 3: Diane and those.

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Speaker 7: Dogs were That's when I heard that they were her life.

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Speaker 1: Diane lived alone with her two dogs, but she wasn't

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without company. She'd never lacked attention from men. She was attractive,

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full of life, and she had the kind of personality

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that drew people in. She'd been married twice and divorced

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twice as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw some wedding pictures.

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Speaker 9: She was married twice before, once for I think four years,

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again only for like four months to some sure, I

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guess that, you know, just totally took advantage generally.

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Speaker 1: After her second divorce, Diane signed up for a dating service,

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the kind where you filled out forms, not a profile.

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It was the early two thousands. It was a different time.

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There's no tender and Facebook didn't exist yet. The service

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eventually matched Diane with a forty five year old man

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who worked in the computer industry, a Houston business owner

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named Dennis Conley.

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Speaker 5: How long have you known Diane? How did you guys.

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Speaker 9: Meet me through the dating service? It's just lunch about

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thirteen months ago.

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Speaker 5: That's the name of the days.

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Speaker 3: It's just lunch.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you have to pay to join, and it's like,

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you know, I mean, they just they don't it's not

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a computer thing or anything like that.

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Speaker 10: They try to match you.

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Speaker 5: Up and I take you gets hit it up pretty good, Yeah,

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we did immediately.

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Speaker 1: Diane and Dennis's relationship was a classic fools rush in scenario.

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Things got serious fast, too fast, and before long they

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were already talking about moving in together and getting married.

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Speaker 9: We met each other on the fifth of October last year.

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We both agreed that we would move to Houston because.

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Speaker 3: We got engaged, I believe.

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Speaker 9: Around but like the middle of December, you know, we

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both knew it was kind of crazy, but I was

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just totally happy.

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Speaker 1: Within two months of meeting, Diane and Dennis were engaged

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and planning a fresh start, which included a new home

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in Houston and a new life together. But it didn't

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take long for the cracks to show. Like many whirlwind romances,

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the couple started to realize they might not be as

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compatible as they first thought.

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Speaker 9: Like March, everything was going pretty good and then we

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ran into some rough spots. We were going to build

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a house in Houston, and I decided that, you know,

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given the fact that we weren't getting along together very well.

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Speaker 10: I mean there was no fight.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we don't fight.

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Speaker 9: It's just, you know, everybody carries baggage into your relationlationships

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at this age, and our baggage was clashing and we

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were working on it, but we decided not to be

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engaged anymore, but steadily. I mean, We've been to therapy together,

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and I mean we were really really making breakthroughs, you know,

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and in fact, you know, I was going to ask

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her to marry me again.

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Speaker 3: And all the Thanksgiving while we.

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Speaker 1: Were up with my parents, they kept trying to make

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it work, and eventually Diane decided she would still move

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to Houston and live with Dennis.

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Speaker 5: And she when did she decide to sell her at

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her home.

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Speaker 9: When she started looking at places in Houston about I'm

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going to say a month ago. But the plan was

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is you know, she was going to sell that and move.

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Speaker 8: In with me.

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Speaker 1: As Diane prepared to move, she put her house up

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on the market, but the news of her move didn't

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sit well with another man in her life, someone who

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didn't want to see her go.

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Speaker 3: As anybody got in the hold of Ray.

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Speaker 5: They're trying to figure out who Ray is. We've heard

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about Ray.

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Speaker 9: He's like thirty something. He just got out of the

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army couple. He's very, very, very smart. He's probably one

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of the smartest programmers that IBM has. He's very very smart.

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Speaker 3: But he's he's out there, he's on the edge.

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Speaker 1: Thirty year old Ray Clancy worked with Diane at IBM.

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In fact, she had hired him, and over time they

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had become very close friends.

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Speaker 5: So people said, you guys are pretty close.

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Speaker 3: You're very close.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I know, Dian pod betted than most people in

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the town. What's your house for the last couple of

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years of dogs? I think she's got guard the openers.

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Of course it doesn't work right now.

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Speaker 9: They have known each other since I think Diane's been here.

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He's from Louisiana.

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Speaker 5: What was her relationship?

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Speaker 8: Did they date it?

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Speaker 10: They all know it was a very odd relationship.

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Speaker 5: Because what does that to explain that to me? What

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that means like in.

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Speaker 9: Other words, the way Diane described to me, he seemed

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to worship the ground.

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Speaker 10: She walks on.

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Speaker 1: Ray like Diane a lot, and well, Diane didn't feel

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the same way. She valued his friendship. Ray often offered

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to help her with things around the house, sir to

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watch her dogs when she was away. It wasn't romantic,

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but everyone who knew about their relationship thought it was

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a little unusual.

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Speaker 11: I was I'll fix everything in her house that was broken.

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I'm an fix up man too. You can do a

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buddy thing in the house. So anytimes she had her

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repair in the house, I did it for her after

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her own almost everything. He locks on the doors and

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all that kind of gustaff because the house came with me.

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Speaker 3: I weren't dating because she didn't want to date it

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over ago. She didn't wan because almost six kids. She

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doesn't want kid.

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Speaker 5: Oh my lord, okay, six kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: He watches the dogs, so it's great to have somebody

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to watch the dogs.

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Speaker 10: And and he did.

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Speaker 9: The dogs were crazy about him, and he did take

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good care of him.

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Speaker 10: And he did lots of stuff around the house for her.

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Speaker 3: You know, he kicked her.

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Speaker 9: Garage door like in Newmobile times. And my whole thing was, Hey,

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he seems like a nice guy, Diane. Jeez, he's watching

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your dogs and he's fixing your stuff. He seems pretty harmless,

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So why don't you just lighten up on him, and

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for a long time, up until that last falling out,

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that appeared to be the case.

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Speaker 1: For all his effort, Diane had firmly planted Ray in

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the friend zone, and everyone seemed to know it except him. Eventually,

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he and Diane had a falling out. He stopped returning

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her calls as quickly and became less eager to help

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with the little things. Then a few weeks later, Diane

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missed an important employee meeting at IBM.

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Speaker 7: Diane had not made an appointment or done whatever business

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she was supposed to do on Friday. That's when she

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became concerned, and that's what she called the police department.

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Speaker 1: After Diane missed this meeting, one of her coworkers requested

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a police welfare check. When officers arrived at her home,

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no one answered the door. They went inside and eventually

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found Diane's lifeless body.

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Speaker 3: Did they didn't know what they found her bedroom.

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Speaker 5: She was in the upstairs bedroom with a where.

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Speaker 3: The shes upstairs.

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Speaker 1: Ever, Diane was found on the floor of the upstairs bedroom.

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She was fully clothed and had been brutally strangled to death.

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There were no signs of what led up to it,

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no argument, no fourst entry, no warning at all, and

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no sign of how the killer had managed to disappear

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without a trace.

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Speaker 7: I can't tell you that it was ruled a homicide

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by a strangulation, okay, and I won't give you any

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of the other details.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 8: Scant imagine he would do that.

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Speaker 1: Dennis claimed that he couldn't understand why anyone would want

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to hurt Diane, but detectives weren't so sure he was

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being honest, not just about Diane's murder, but about their

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relationship in general. Much of what he'd told them about

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how they got along screamed of minimization. At the same time,

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detectives were equally puzzled by Diane's friend, Ray Clancy, a

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man who seemed to orbit her life long after she'd

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made it clear she wasn't interested. His behavior, his access

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to her home, and his attitude after her death all

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raised red flax between the two of them. Detectives couldn't

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shake the feeling that one was hiding something. The challenge

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was figuring out where the truth stopped and where the

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lie started. On November fifteenth, two thousand and one, forty

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three year old Diane Hollick was at her Northwest Austin home,

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preparing for a move that would mark the next chapter

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of her life, but by the following morning, she was dead,

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found strangled in an upstairs bedroom of her home. In

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the days that followed, detectives started piecing together the timeline

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of her final hours. They processed her house and collected evidence.

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Speaker 7: We have the house sealed for right now, and we're

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going to keep it that way until we, you know,

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gather a lot more information, trying to focus in on

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the things that are important. Obviously, we've done a lot

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of the forensic most of the forensic stuff.

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Speaker 1: The crime scene was strange and ominous, not because of

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what was found, but because of what wasn't. Diane was

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discovered face down on the floor of an upstairs bedroom.

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She was fully dressed, with marks on her wrists consistent

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with being bound, and deep ligature marks around her neck.

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There were no signs of forced entry, no struggle, and

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nothing to suggest sexual assault. The scene was eerily clean,

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so clean, in fact, that even Diane's own fingerprints were

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missing from places police expected to find them.

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until all the test results come back, but doesn't appear

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she was fully clothed.

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Speaker 1: As for suspects, detectives quickly focused on two men. Her fiance,

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Dennis Conley, had a coworker who, by all accounts, wished

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he was Diane's fiance. His name was Ray Clancy. One question,

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both men offered nearly identical statements about Diane and her background.

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They told police that Diane had no enemies, that everyone

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who knew her loved her.

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Speaker 12: Can you think of anybody that would want to hurt Diane?

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Speaker 3: Everybody loved her, everybody that matter.

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Speaker 11: Had enemies, and nobody that didn't like her. Louisbod who

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didn't like Diane's If the personality was fantastic, it was

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a gorgeous few persons.

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Speaker 1: Initially, investigators turned their attention to Dennis, but he looked clean,

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at least on paper. He had no criminal record and

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no history of violence.

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Speaker 13: This is the first time I've ever been in a

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police station so other than when I was a legal

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officer in the Marine Corps and I took people theref According.

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Speaker 1: To Dennis, his last contact with Diane was on the

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afternoon of her death. They exchanged messages online during the

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workday and Diane mentioned she may have found someone interested

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in buying her house.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, she said, somebody was really super interested in her

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house Thursday afternoon online she goes keep her finger crossed,

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fingers crossed, and she doesn't usually say that unless somebody's

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really interested. So well, one of the questions that I

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have for you, and you don't have to answer this,

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but I think may fit into this as well, is

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you know, did.

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Speaker 10: She still have her engagement ring on?

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Speaker 9: Because if she didn't, then that's that's what I think

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might have happened.

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Speaker 3: Is somebody came in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to talk about all her jewelry.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's why I needed you really come down here.

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And I don't want to have to ask I understand that.

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Speaker 1: One thing that stood out about Diane's interview was how

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eager he seemed to offer up theories, any theory about

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what might have happened to Diane. Maybe it was genuine speculation,

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or maybe it was a way to steer attention away

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from himself. One theory he floated was that Diane could

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have been showing her home to a potential buyer who

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noticed her engagement ring and decided to rob her. Maybe

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she fought back and things turned violent. Maybe this murder

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was a robbery gone wrong, or maybe Dennis just wanted

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to make it look that way.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a photograph of the ring or any

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information on that ring?

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Speaker 3: I can get it, Okay.

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Speaker 7: I'm probably gonna need it because we can't find the ring.

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My understanding was from missus Brown was that she always

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wore that ring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she did.

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Speaker 9: And I told her, you know, I told her, I said,

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you know, when you go down to the park or whatever.

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Speaker 10: Da YadA not, you know, be flashing.

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Speaker 3: That thing around.

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Speaker 9: It's a diamonite, a twenty thousand dollars, you know, I mean,

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it was a beautiful ring.

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Speaker 5: Did you buy it for her?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 10: She's so goddamn stubborn.

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Speaker 9: Know, if they were king of trying to take the ring,

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I'll bet she fought tooth and nail for that, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, And certainly robbery is a motive.

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Speaker 8: There's no doubt.

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Speaker 10: I will tell you she would have had that.

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Speaker 5: Ring on, There's no doubt in my mind. Well it's

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missing right now.

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Speaker 1: Like Dennis, Ray also confirmed that Diane always wore her

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engagement ring. The obvious assumption was that whoever committed the murder,

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had taken it the ring.

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Speaker 3: Treat care it or something like that.

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Speaker 11: It's a big one. I've never seen it without wearing it.

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And I always been to ask her if you were

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breaking up, mind you buried ring, but I never would.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of insulting.

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Speaker 11: I'm never seen him take it off before, even whenever

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they were split apart in fighting, she never took it off.

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Speaker 1: As for Dennis, if he was the killer, investigators had

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to consider possible motives. He admitted that his relationship with

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Diane wasn't perfect, but the problems he described seemed pretty mild,

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especially for a couple that had recently called off their engagement.

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Perhaps things with Dennis and Diane were much worse than

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he was letting on.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we had her ups and downs, no question, but

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they weren't you know.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like it was physicified.

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Speaker 9: It's nothing never never, never even angry or loud words.

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Speaker 5: What were your big issues?

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Speaker 12: Money, no other people in relationship.

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Speaker 3: It was just it's stupid, you know.

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Speaker 9: That's one of the things I think I'll learn out

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of this steal is the little things starn't really that important.

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Speaker 3: That's where I was getting to too.

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Speaker 1: But according to Dennis, a major point of tension in

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their relationship was what he saw as Diane's obsession with

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their dogs. It wasn't thrilled about the idea of buying

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a new house together only to have the two large

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dogs tear it up. But for Diane, her dogs were

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her family, further them as her kids, and they weren't negotiable.

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Speaker 11: Mostly it was a dogs either or not he hates

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I would say he hates those, but you didn't a

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doggy person, and she, in her mind, it was important

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for him to like the dogs. If he didn't like him,

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that was too good in bed and he didn't get

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to buy somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Dennis told detectives that he did eventually come around. He

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realized that his issue with the dogs wasn't worth losing Diane.

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Speaker 9: The thing that got me back and really really cemented it,

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was that you know, she's I remember her saying, you

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know that she would she loved me, and that she

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would jump the chance to be in a relationship.

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Speaker 10: And marry me, and you know, no matter how long

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it took, And that really just settled in my heart,

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and I just.

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Speaker 13: Said, you know, I'm not going to ever find anybody

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that loves me as much as she does.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: Dennis's version of the relationship was that he and Diane

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had worked through their rough patches. The engagement might have

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been called off, but he said things were improving and

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that he planned to propose to her again.

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Speaker 5: Did you get had you guys said a wedding date?

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Speaker 10: No, but we talked about it last last weekend.

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Speaker 3: We were together here.

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Speaker 9: We had a great weekend, no issues.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 10: She goes, so, when do we getting married?

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Speaker 9: And I said, I'm thinking, you know, October, but you know,

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next year, but we might move that on, you know,

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how things go.

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Speaker 10: Okay, So yeah, I mean we had not set a date.

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Speaker 9: But then again, I had officially asked her to marry

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me again, and I was going to say that for

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you know, around the same time.

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Speaker 10: That I asked her last year, just kind of as

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a special thing.

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Speaker 1: While keeping a close eye on Dennis, investigators also focused

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their attention on another man in Diane's life, her friend

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and coworker and someone who clearly had feelings for her,

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Ray Clancy and Ray.

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Speaker 9: That's the deal with Ray, Okay, so is a very

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dysfunctional person from my standpoint, in the fact that he

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seems to be attracted to women that are not attracted

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to him.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 1: I freely admitted that he had romantic feelings for Diane,

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but he denied that his willingness to help her watching

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her dogs, fixing things around her house had anything to

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do with that. He said he was simply trying to

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repay her for bending a few rules at IBM to

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help get him hired.

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Speaker 5: Had a little crush on her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I always had a question, Diana say, I remember.

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Speaker 11: When harmony I'd had behind the GPA, and they refused

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the harmony in IBM.

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Speaker 3: So she boked the rules and she harmed me. You

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know I'm in all.

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Speaker 11: Over the world, twenty countries. I mean a lot of

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money IBM. They were all kind of stuff. I can

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do anything with the computer because she broked the.

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Speaker 8: Rules for me.

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Speaker 3: So I had a occasion.

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Speaker 11: If you have all the rules is ubligations of people

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that we like our family and have fuss and so

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I always has to mubligation to take care of her

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and watch the house and take care of her kids.

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She just meant that nobody else would ever do.

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Speaker 1: There was no secret that Ray had a thing for Diane,

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and it was also no secret that she just didn't

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feel the same way about him. Even Ray admitted as much,

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insisting that he just accepted it and.

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Speaker 5: Diane didn't reciprocate your feelings. She just friends, Okay, I

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don't know.

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Speaker 3: Just never was never had any plea or whatever.

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Speaker 8: They understand, you just have just friends.

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Speaker 5: Always had cause problems between No.

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Speaker 3: Never in the beginning of argument.

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Speaker 11: No, in the beginning, I always wanted to always pampered her,

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and she took care of her and butter flowers, all

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that kind of good stuff. He used to make a

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nervous uncomfortable because she'd like guy's pamper your relationship. No

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one ever did, never, even him, never even want to, always.

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Speaker 3: Wanted to it. Never did.

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Speaker 1: Naturally, the investigators had to consider the possibility that Ray

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hadn't accepted being just die An's friend. Maybe he was

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tired of helping her and getting nothing in return. Maybe

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he just felt like she owed him. Maybe he tried

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to make a move and when she turned him down,

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things got violent.

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Speaker 10: Well, one thing that you said, and then you kind

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of took it back.

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Speaker 3: You thought she's good looking. I did get that body,

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she did.

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Speaker 15: He said, you didn't want to have sex with her,

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and then you said earlier on you said, yeah you did,

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but it just never.

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Speaker 8: Did you or not?

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Speaker 3: It was full of it was full of friendship. If

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we did it was full of friendship. If we did

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something like that, both of it was new, just something

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we understood.

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Speaker 11: Anytime you see it with the lady, it's it's changed everything.

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You get your feeling from the lady that you.

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Speaker 3: Might have past at her, and she said, no, no,

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I didn't make a don't make passes in it. He

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didn't know.

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Speaker 14: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know you you.

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Speaker 11: Don't make a past at her because it's kind of insulty.

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Because she said no, then you can know friendship anymore.

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Oh yeah, no you don't, because Dane's really sensitive to

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that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: You don't. I didn't want to spoil the friendship with her,

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so I didn't.

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Speaker 11: I didn't push it. I didn't make HI pass at her

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all that kind of stuff. Just still I didn't really

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do the deliver I guess like a friend.

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Speaker 3: I never tell anybody you love her?

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Speaker 14: Well?

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Speaker 3: I love how like I love dogs. I love dogs too.

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Did you tell anybody you love her? I don't think

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I would have said that.

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Speaker 1: Now the bizarre thing about Ray was that he came

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off as a genuinely nice guy. Yeah, if he had

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killed Diane, it wouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone.

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Speaker 5: So you think he pretty much is obsessed with her.

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Speaker 10: I wouldn't even I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go there.

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Speaker 10: I just want to say that.

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Speaker 5: What was there falling out about? Let me ask you that,

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you know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's raised presses.

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Speaker 10: He presses like, you know, he's always wanting uh validation.

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Speaker 6: And.

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Speaker 10: Honestly, if if I was, if I was a woman, he.

481
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: Would give me the creeps.

482
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:07,079
Speaker 9: Oh really yeah, And again it seems like the worst

483
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,279
women treat him, you know, the more he uh, he

484
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:14,880
gravitates towards. It's a very unhealthy situation.

485
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,799
Speaker 1: For many of Diane's friends, there was something unsettling about Ray,

486
00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:27,160
something they couldn't quite put their finger on. Yet, somehow

487
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:33,799
he mostly came across his friendly and harmless. So the

488
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:38,599
big question just loomed. Was Ray just a hopeless romantic

489
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:46,400
with an unreturned crush, let's say, or was he something darker?

490
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,039
Was he a man willing to take what he wanted

491
00:25:51,079 --> 00:26:00,759
by force, by violence, by murder? Was Ray a monster.

492
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 5: Did she ever tell you about anything inappropriate that he did?

493
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,799
It made her field off?

494
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,279
Speaker 3: Well?

495
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 10: Yes, then this.

496
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: Was before we started dating.

497
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 9: You would press her on, uh, just like things that

498
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,599
were not appropriate for friends to press on.

499
00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:21,039
Speaker 5: And it wasn't sexual.

500
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 10: It was just a lot of a lot of neediness.

501
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,799
Speaker 9: And apparently that I do remember now that that's what

502
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,359
the last conversation was about. I guess he was pressing

503
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,079
on something and either either she hung out with him

504
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,079
or he hung on her.

505
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,319
Speaker 3: She just had no patience with that.

506
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 5: Do you think he's capable of doing something bad? Have

507
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:46,240
you ever seen him lose his temper? Has told you

508
00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:49,079
about anything specifically?

509
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 10: Ever remember anything like that?

510
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:52,519
Speaker 6: No.

511
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,559
Speaker 1: With both Dennis and Ray looking like plausible suspects, investigators

512
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:02,839
turned their focus to the evidence. Maybe the crime scene

513
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:07,079
could point to which man had killed Diane. There were

514
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,839
no signs of fourth century meaning. Whoever did it was

515
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,319
either invited inside or they had a key.

516
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,559
Speaker 5: To your knowledge, who has a key to that house?

517
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 9: I may have, there was one in my car that

518
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:23,400
I I do not have a key on my key chain.

519
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,039
Speaker 3: That I I mean because I never had the need to.

520
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:28,839
Speaker 5: Okay, do you know if Ray has a key he.

521
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,319
Speaker 11: Used to our house too. If you need copy them

522
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,039
for you, you can make Prinzon or if you need

523
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:35,000
herse No.

524
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:38,079
Speaker 5: I'm going to take those keys. She was deceased and

525
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,839
there's really no need for you to be in the

526
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:40,480
house anymore.

527
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,599
Speaker 1: Both Dennis and Ray had keys to Diane's house. That detail, unfortunately,

528
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:52,279
didn't help narrow things down, so investigators shifted their focus

529
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,559
to each man's alibi and when they each last saw

530
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,640
or spoke with Diane.

531
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 5: When's the last time you saw Saturday?

532
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,839
Speaker 3: Two weeks ago, Saturday Night of Dallas night. Though she

533
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,039
was a young lady. I don't really know her.

534
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,599
Speaker 11: Being, but I haven't hear from assistant, no word, no fun, contact,

535
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:10,640
nothing for about two weeks.

536
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,799
Speaker 1: Ray said that the last time he saw Diane was

537
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,960
weeks before the murder. Dennis told police that his last

538
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,119
contact with her was through an online chat well he

539
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,319
was at work when investigators checked on this. Both stories

540
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:29,920
appeared to hold up, which raised a new question. Were

541
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,640
they looking at the wrong men altogether? Maybe Dennis and

542
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,559
Ray were both innocent.

543
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: What do you think happened from what she told me?

544
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 11: Since she never went upstairs and her house is well

545
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:43,599
in the market, and she said she was training hold

546
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:43,960
of what time?

547
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,119
Speaker 3: He said, what time? Oh, I guess she was showing

548
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:46,839
somebody to the house.

549
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,279
Speaker 1: Interestingly, when Ray was asked what he thought might have

550
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,279
happened to Diane, his answer was almost identical to the

551
00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:01,920
answer that Dennis had given. Both men suggested that Diane

552
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,680
could have been showing the house to a potential buyer

553
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:10,319
and then things turned violent. With no sign of forced entry,

554
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,039
they reasoned that Diane must have let someone inside and

555
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:20,839
maybe that someone killed her. Investigators soon discovered that this

556
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,599
theory wasn't far fetched at all. While canvassing Diane's neighborhood,

557
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,279
they learned that several residents had been approached by a

558
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:33,960
strange man, someone going door to door claiming to be

559
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,599
a rancher and asking about homes for sale. Not only that,

560
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:43,160
but they later confirmed that Diane herself had been approached

561
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,519
by this man in the afternoon on the same day

562
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,559
that she was killed.

563
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,799
Speaker 7: This man comes and claims that he's a rancher and

564
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,319
claims that he's going that he can pay cash for

565
00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:00,599
the house, but he needs to get with his wife,

566
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,279
and that he was going to come back.

567
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 5: The following day with his wife to see the house.

568
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,359
We don't know if he has anything to do with it.

569
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,119
I don't know. It's we're looking into it. It's it

570
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:12,319
seemed suspicious.

571
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 7: We're going to try to get a composite an older man.

572
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,480
Apparently he went to an older man's house Thursday, probably

573
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:23,119
around noon.

574
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,359
Speaker 10: Yeah, because that's what Diane said that she thought she had.

575
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 8: Sold the house.

576
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 9: That was like about three o'clock in the afternoon on Thursday.

577
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 7: And I guess she had talked to her friend Tina,

578
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:38,559
that this guy had come to the house, but he

579
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:40,480
didn't have a real estate agent with him. He came

580
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,039
by himself, and you know, she she I think she

581
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:44,839
thought it was odd.

582
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,759
Speaker 12: But apparently she led him into the house, but he left.

583
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,079
Speaker 1: For several days, investigators tried to untangle the stories of

584
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,880
two men, a fiance who might have been angry about

585
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,440
it failed engagement, and a coworker who might have been

586
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,720
angry that Diane didn't love him back. But as the

587
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:14,240
investigation moved forward, something much darker started to surface, something

588
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:21,440
beyond jealousy or heartbreak. In a disturbing twist, the evidence

589
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,240
pointed to a different kind of motive altogether, one rooted

590
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,400
not in love, but in perversion, and it suggested that

591
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:37,359
whoever killed Diane Hollick hadn't come to win her heart,

592
00:31:38,599 --> 00:32:14,799
he'd come to feed a fetish. In the days after

593
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:23,240
Diane Hollick's murder, investigators pulled at every threat, jealousy, rejection, heartbreak,

594
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,720
trying to figure out who could have killed her and why,

595
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:31,839
but none of it fit. When they circled back to

596
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,680
the most obvious suspect, her Beyonce Dennis, he gave them

597
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,799
an alibi that couldn't be broken.

598
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,799
Speaker 7: Okay, so the last time you actually spent time with

599
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,720
Diane was last week in Okay, and you go back

600
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,880
to Houston and did you work all week?

601
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, like a friend's stand with me.

602
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,319
Speaker 3: You can vouch for me if.

603
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 5: Now I just you know, we gotta do it, understand.

604
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,599
Speaker 3: I understand.

605
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:04,519
Speaker 1: Investors eventually confirmed that when Diane was killed, her fiance Dennis,

606
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,400
was two hundred miles away in Houston working at his office.

607
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,200
He was eliminated as a suspect. Likewise, Diane's coworker, Ray Clancy,

608
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,519
was also at work at the time of her death,

609
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:22,559
and in fact hadn't spoken to Diane in about two weeks.

610
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 11: The night of the storm that he went home last night.

611
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,000
The tenthred that night because Chilthy was horrible. They got

612
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:31,640
home and that's the latt of state home and didn't

613
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,160
go anywhere in the sleep. I'm gonna look time to

614
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,319
see or little closed. Back to work next morning about

615
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:39,960
got to work against eight o'clock.

616
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: Eight o'clock or so.

617
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: With both Ray and Dennis ruled out, investigators turned their

618
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,720
attention to a new lead. During an interview with Diane's

619
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,640
friend Tina, they learned that a strange man had recently

620
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,960
come to Diane's house, claiming to be interested in buying it.

621
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 7: And she had said that a man had come over

622
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,680
that was very nicely dressed, probably in his mid thirties,

623
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,559
had come over and told her that he was interested

624
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,360
in her house and that he didn't have a real

625
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,320
estate agent, that he was a rancher, and that's I mean.

626
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,440
She had that conversation with Tina. But she also made

627
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,480
a comment to Tina that the man kind of gave

628
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,880
her the creeps. And we don't know if this guy

629
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,239
came back, but clearly he used the same ruse so

630
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,440
to speak with an older man that lived down the

631
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,119
street prior to going to Diane's house.

632
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,679
Speaker 1: On the surface, one of this seemed unusual. After all,

633
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,559
Diane was trying to sell her home and there was

634
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:45,119
a big first sale sign out front. That wouldn't be

635
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,639
at all strange for someone to stop by unannounced and

636
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,920
ask about the property. But what caught investigator's attention was

637
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,000
that this same man had been supposedly house shopping all

638
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:03,960
over Austin for weeks, and nearly everyone who'd encountered him

639
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:10,679
described him the same way, creepy and strange and just

640
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,679
a little bit threatening.

641
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 7: Probably by Monday, we'll be putting out that on the

642
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,320
news that we are trying to speak with that man.

643
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: Hopefully somebody do call in.

644
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: What a composite sketch was released to the media, It

645
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,920
didn't take long for investigators to track down the strange

646
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:34,159
home shopping man. One woman who'd encountered him had been

647
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,920
so unnerved by his behavior that she actually wrote down

648
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,119
his license plate number. That plate number led investigators to

649
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:46,800
a van registered to a Patrick Anthony Russo.

650
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:48,599
Speaker 5: Patrick Russo Right.

651
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,079
Speaker 3: Holder, thirty eight eight.

652
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: Thirty eight year old Patrick, who sometimes went by his

653
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:04,159
middle name Tony, lived in Elgin, Texas, about twenty five

654
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:09,039
miles east of Austin. Patrick was born again Christian who

655
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,679
worked part time at his local church.

656
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,639
Speaker 3: Which was the name of the church, New Life in Christ.

657
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,679
Speaker 5: New Life in Christ, Yes, ma'am, and what do you

658
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,119
do for them?

659
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: I'm the music minister, there you said.

660
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 5: And you're married in your wife's name Janet Jane in

661
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:27,960
the two boys or years.

662
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Patrick lived with his second wife, Janet. They had

663
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:37,199
two children from a previous marriage, though they didn't live

664
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,639
with them. On the morning of November twenty one, two

665
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:44,400
thousand and one, Texas deputies arrived at Patrick's home and

666
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,480
asked both him and Janet to come down to the

667
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:52,840
station for interviews. They agreed, you're not under arrest, okay.

668
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,559
Speaker 16: I am curious so us someone be knocking on my

669
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:57,679
door this early in the morning.

670
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 15: This has to do with an incident that happened here

671
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,599
in Austin, in northwest Austin.

672
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: Some things are missing.

673
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 17: I brought a calendar of November if you can tell us,

674
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,760
if you could start maybe the twelfth, and go through

675
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,639
and tell us what you remember, where you were and

676
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:20,239
what you did.

677
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: Before revealing why they brought him to the station for questioning.

678
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:28,679
Investigators asked Patrick about his whereabouts. During the week of

679
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,280
Diane's murder, they quickly focused on the actual day she

680
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,960
was killed, which was a Thursday. That day a massive

681
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,639
thunderstorm that swept through Austin.

682
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,039
Speaker 16: That was that big storm day, Wasn't it? Okay, there's

683
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,119
not a problem.

684
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: Thursday, I spent some time at the church again.

685
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 16: I went to go to can Elle here in Austin.

686
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 7: About what time was that?

687
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 16: I think it was about I said, talk to my wife.

688
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,519
I was pulling in the parking lot, so that would

689
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,599
have been about four o'clock.

690
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:10,159
Speaker 3: I believe.

691
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Patrick told investigators that on the day Diane was killed,

692
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,199
he'd driven into Austin to visit a local radio station.

693
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:21,480
He said he was supposed to meet someone there who

694
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:24,519
was helping him set up a website for his Christian

695
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:25,239
rock band.

696
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,679
Speaker 16: We have a website that we've been trying to get

697
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,079
up for about four months, and I have spent so

698
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,920
much time with him trying to get it up. So

699
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,239
I went out there to try to see about getting

700
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,880
that up. Since we got all the information that they needed,

701
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,400
and when no one came to the door, I went

702
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,199
ahead and left.

703
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,599
Speaker 8: Who did you talk to you over at can Hellen?

704
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 16: Actually I didn't talk to anybody because nobody answered the door.

705
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 17: So you made the trip up there for nothing.

706
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: This pretty much, I mean you didn't.

707
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,079
Speaker 8: You didn't call ahead and say you were coming.

708
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: And Patrick told investigators that his trip to the radio

709
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,639
station had been spontaneous. He hadn't made an appointment or

710
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,800
even called a head. When he arrived, no one was

711
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,599
there to meet him, and no one at the radio

712
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:18,280
station remembered ever seeing him, which meant Patrick had no alibi.

713
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,360
After leaving the station, the storm rolled in. The heavy

714
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,320
rain and low visibility caused Patrick to get lost, at

715
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,679
least that's what he said had happened.

716
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 16: Made a right hand turn and made an illegal you

717
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,280
turn there was the only way you could get around everybody.

718
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,159
And then I went back out and gone the highway,

719
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,920
going back towards Fast drib. Probably took me about another

720
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,960
fifteen minutes to get home normally, normally was a little

721
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,880
bit quicker than that.

722
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,039
Speaker 5: Sometimes you get home.

723
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:57,199
Speaker 16: Five point thirty, I guess, or six somewhere. I'm not

724
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,360
really sure exactly the time frame.

725
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: Patrick told investigators he got home around six o'clock in

726
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,880
the evening, but his wife Janet gave a different time

727
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:08,840
well we.

728
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 6: Got to the station, there was anybody there that was

729
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,880
doing the website, So he was coming home. I know

730
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,559
we were on the phone an hour because he was

731
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:19,159
coming through all that storm.

732
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 12: So we were on the phone probably from.

733
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 5: Six to seven.

734
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: What time did you get home?

735
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:27,639
Speaker 18: Should have been.

736
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,559
Speaker 19: Shortly after seven, probly between seven and fifteen.

737
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:35,159
Speaker 1: I'm thinking because the couple's timelines were off by an hour.

738
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,800
In a lot of cases, that kind of discrepancy might

739
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:44,400
not mean much, but in a murder investigation, one hour

740
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:48,440
can change everything. It can be the difference between being

741
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:52,639
miles away from a crime scene or standing inside it.

742
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: Did you ever.

743
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,519
Speaker 8: Stop to get out to talk to anybody?

744
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 16: I believe i'd I knocked on someone's door asking for directions.

745
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,679
Speaker 15: And when you say someone's door was at a residential door,

746
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:10,639
was that a business door?

747
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 7: No?

748
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,679
Speaker 3: It was it was a residential door.

749
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 8: Do you remember what that person looked like?

750
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 20: No?

751
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: I have no clue.

752
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: Imagine this just a few days ago. You're driving home

753
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,039
when a brutal thunderstorm rolls in Lorrain's coming down in sheets,

754
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,440
visibility's gone, and you take a wrong turn into a

755
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,159
neighborhood you've never seen before. You're so disoriented that you

756
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:40,079
stop at a random house, knock on the door and

757
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:45,400
ask a stranger for directions, wouldn't you I don't know,

758
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,840
remember that, wasn't that whole encounter kind of Oh, I

759
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,960
don't know, stick in your mind a little bit, don't

760
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,800
you think? Apparently? For Patrick Nay, I.

761
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,119
Speaker 8: Want to ask you a little bit more about Thursday.

762
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,559
Speaker 15: And he was talking about going to kN Elie and

763
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,880
no one was there to tell us that you were there, okay,

764
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:12,400
And then.

765
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,599
Speaker 8: You talked about driving around and getting back on one

766
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:16,119
A three.

767
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 15: And now you're telling us about maybe stopping at a

768
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,559
residential area and talking to a gray haired man. Is

769
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,079
there any other places that you stopped while you were

770
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:26,920
in his neighborhood?

771
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 8: You didn't stop to talk to anybody else.

772
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: I'm not lying to you.

773
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:36,159
Speaker 16: If that's what you're asking, and that's what I'm asking,

774
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,320
I'm It's simple.

775
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,679
Speaker 8: You only stopped at one house.

776
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 15: You talked to one man, an older man, and the

777
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,719
gest of the conversation was you needed directions to get back.

778
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: To one any correct.

779
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,159
Speaker 1: Needless to say, investigators didn't buy Patrick's story. They were

780
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:56,119
convinced that the house he stopped at wasn't random and

781
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:59,760
that the person who answered the door was their murder victim,

782
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:01,440
Diane Hollick.

783
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 15: So you're saying you've never seen this woman, never been

784
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,440
to her house, never been to her doorstep, never been

785
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,880
inside her house, never been invited to look around, and

786
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,920
there would be no reason for anything to come back

787
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,559
to say.

788
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,519
Speaker 8: That you were in her house.

789
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 16: No, sir, If she's saying that I've stole something from her,

790
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,960
then I'm sorry.

791
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say.

792
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,199
Speaker 1: Interestingly, when investigator showed Patrick a photo of Diane, he

793
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,360
not only denied ever being in her house, but also

794
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,000
spoke about her as if she were still alive. You

795
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:42,960
seem to believe or wanted detectives to think he believed

796
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,000
that this was all about a simple burglary or breaking

797
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,559
and not a homicide investigation. Of course, investigators weren't fooled

798
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:56,360
by this performance, and they had more than a few

799
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,480
reasons to suspect that Patrick was their man. This wasn't

800
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,599
his first brush with the law. Patrick was on parole

801
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,840
at the time and had already spent eight nights in

802
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,239
prison for kidnapping a woman and tying her up.

803
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 16: I had a nervous breakdown while on the job I

804
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,320
was trying to seek out a new life which wasn't

805
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,880
really going all that great, and ended up where I

806
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:29,519
had nervous breakdown, and I ended up holding the receptionist

807
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:30,320
against her will.

808
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:33,639
Speaker 3: And basically I broke down, crying and just telling her

809
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:35,119
all my problems, and then I left.

810
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:37,559
Speaker 8: How did you hold her? How did you?

811
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,679
Speaker 3: I tied her up?

812
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:41,079
Speaker 16: I needed I just needed someone to talk to it

813
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:43,280
and feel like anybody, and I forced her to. I

814
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,800
forced her to listen to my problems. And you'll see

815
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,360
what it says in the case it'll take her. I

816
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,760
believe that anybody that ties anybody up does some damage,

817
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,400
physical damage. No, I didn't hurt her emotionally, I probably

818
00:44:59,559 --> 00:44:59,920
ruined her.

819
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: Patrick claimed that prison had changed him. He said that

820
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,440
after his conviction, he found God, embraced faith, and left

821
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,360
his old criminal life behind. He supposedly transformed himself into

822
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,039
a humble Christian man.

823
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:18,679
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you what I've done to get

824
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,039
my life in order. Okay.

825
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,079
Speaker 16: I spent my entire eight years in prison doing nothing

826
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:29,599
but engulfing myself in a better life. I got my

827
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,039
ged I went to college. I studied for theology to

828
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:40,880
become a minister. I took every kind of anger management

829
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,360
program because that was my big problem back then was

830
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,599
I went through the drug rehabs because.

831
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,199
Speaker 3: I had an old drug habit that really took a

832
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:50,800
toll on me.

833
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: After his release from prison, Patrick wrote a book, joined

834
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,639
a ministry, and even started a Christian rock band. All

835
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:01,920
of this, he claimed it was part of his mission

836
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,400
to help others find faith.

837
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 16: When I got out, I've done everything from put a

838
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,039
book out to try to help inmates and other people

839
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,840
get their life in order through christ. I have been

840
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,320
a music minister. I have a ministry that I go

841
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,280
into prisons with.

842
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:25,679
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Patrick, the investigators weren't convinced by his supposed

843
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,519
moral awakening. To them, this new Patrick looked a lot

844
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:33,159
like the old one, a man with a history of

845
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,039
violence and a record that included not just kidnapping but

846
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:41,960
also burglary. And of course Patrick had an excuse for

847
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,679
that as well.

848
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 5: What about the burglaries?

849
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: All my offenses have to do with with just anger?

850
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 5: Was there somebody in the house when you did the burglary?

851
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I didn't burglarize the house. I assaulted someone

852
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,360
through their doorway, and so I got a burglary of

853
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,360
a habitation with the attempt to commit bodily harm when

854
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,400
the burglary had nothing to do with it because it

855
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,320
wasn't a burglary.

856
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 16: I was actually looking for a friend of mine. I

857
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,000
was looking for a drug fix.

858
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:15,079
Speaker 1: What investigators pressed Patrick about his criminal past, he grew uneasy,

859
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,440
but detectives didn't let up. They hadn't brought him in

860
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,480
to rehash his old crimes. Their focus was on the

861
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:25,679
murder of Diane Hollock.

862
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,079
Speaker 16: I'm trying to stay, you know, relaxed about this whole thing,

863
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,880
but y'all are starting to grow me pretty hard for stuff.

864
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,079
Speaker 3: And I don't even have the slightest clue what's going on.

865
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:40,119
Speaker 16: But I do know that, you know, I'm trying to

866
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:42,519
be as honest as I can with you.

867
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,199
Speaker 5: You guys, are you, I mean, are you really?

868
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 6: Yes?

869
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 3: I am.

870
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:50,039
Speaker 5: Are you in the market to buy a house?

871
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: No?

872
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 5: Is there any reason why you'd be in a neighborhood

873
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,039
looking for a house?

874
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 6: No?

875
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,079
Speaker 7: Do you think it's a little coincidental that several people

876
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:06,199
said that they saw you in a neighborhood.

877
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 16: I think it's well, it has to be coincidental because

878
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,840
I hadn't been in any neighborhood.

879
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: Patrick consisted that everything leading police to his doorstep was

880
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:20,480
just one big coincidence. The witnesses who'd seen him and

881
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:24,360
his van cruising through their neighborhood asking about homes for sale,

882
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,159
they were all mistaken. It was just a case of

883
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:31,599
bad luck and bad timing, good luck convincing the investigators

884
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,320
or a jury for that matter, of any of that.

885
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 3: Tony, what's happened?

886
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 15: Okay, Thursday, more than three different people identified you as

887
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,599
coming to their place.

888
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 8: Inquiring about purchasing a residence.

889
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,039
Speaker 3: Well, they're mistaken. Let me tell you how serious this is.

890
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 16: I would appreciate it because I feel like I'm getting

891
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,679
pretty banged here and I don't even.

892
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:01,039
Speaker 3: Know what's for.

893
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:05,199
Speaker 8: She's dead. I don't know if you notice when you

894
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,639
walked in here, this is a homicide.

895
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:14,199
Speaker 16: Un well, okay, wow, I'm sitting there thinking we're talking

896
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:18,400
about burglary and we're talking about a murderer. As badly

897
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,320
as I feel for this woman here, I'm sorry, but

898
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,719
you guys are barking up the wrong tree, and I

899
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,840
don't care how hard you dig, you're not going to

900
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,280
find me committing any crime like that.

901
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: His lies, his evasions, the statements, and the evidence, all

902
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,320
of it made one thing clear. They were sitting across

903
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,760
from a man who had strangled a woman to death.

904
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 15: We can sit here and say, well, it might be

905
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,320
somebody that resembles you or looks at it.

906
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: They picked you out, not.

907
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:53,199
Speaker 15: A friend, not somebody that looks like they picked you out.

908
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,639
They had a conversation with you. A lady took your

909
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,079
license plate number down after you came and started asking.

910
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 14: Some really.

911
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 8: She what did she call it?

912
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 15: Some unsettling conversation that she had with you, And she

913
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:10,559
said she would never forget your face again.

914
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 7: And she didn't five different people who live in five

915
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,039
different areas, who all.

916
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 3: I'm not just pick you out. You know you're being there.

917
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,119
Speaker 5: Your van got your license plate. I mean that.

918
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 3: I'm not disputing whether someone thinks they've seen me, Okay,

919
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:29,639
but I'm telling.

920
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 8: You what about your van?

921
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: Well, I can't explain that. I can't explain it.

922
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 16: You know, that may be coincidental, but there's a whole

923
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,360
lot of coincidences in life.

924
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,599
Speaker 3: I can't do nothing about that.

925
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 5: But I don't think that's a coincidence.

926
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,639
Speaker 7: Okay, I mean, I just don't you know, too many people.

927
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,559
You know, if it was one person, maybe, but.

928
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: Three four five, well, not just this.

929
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 5: Particular day, but another day that was a month ago.

930
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,679
Speaker 1: For weeks, sir, probably much longer. Patrick had been cruising

931
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,800
the streets of Austin in his van, playing the part

932
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,199
of the classic predator. He wasn't looking for a house

933
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:15,079
to buy. It was hunting for a victim, and tragically

934
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,559
he found one in Diane Hullick.

935
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:22,079
Speaker 3: I don't know what all you have that you're dealing with.

936
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,159
Speaker 7: Well, I'm dealing with a woman that's dead, and I'm

937
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:28,440
dealing with a neighborhood that's in a panic because a

938
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:31,480
man came to several of their houses that same day.

939
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,360
Some people spent quite a bit of time with that man.

940
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 16: What am I supposed to say? You all want me

941
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,519
to say that I did something I didn't do, That's.

942
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 8: What I know.

943
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:40,119
Speaker 7: I just want you to tell the.

944
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,199
Speaker 3: Truth, that's all. Well, I'm trying to, but you guys

945
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,639
don't want to hear the truth. Do you want me

946
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:44,519
to hear me say that?

947
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 7: I would else would have had your van on Thursday

948
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:49,519
up in that neighborhood that you've already put yourself in.

949
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 3: Well, in a rainstorm, who has your van? Nobody has

950
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,440
my van except.

951
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 5: Me, So I mean, how do you explain that?

952
00:51:58,559 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: Well, I can't explain it.

953
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:04,639
Speaker 7: In the same neighborhood that you were seeing by several

954
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:07,800
other people. That's suspicious. We'd be remiss if we weren't

955
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,519
looking into that.

956
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 16: Well, and I'm not knocking you guys for that, Okay,

957
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,360
I'm not knocking you, But if you.

958
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:17,519
Speaker 3: Want me to say something that isn't true.

959
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,159
Speaker 1: Investigators pressed harder, confronting Patrick with all kinds of evidence,

960
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:27,559
but no matter how much they threw at them, it

961
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:33,159
wouldn't buch. He doubled down, denying, deflecting, and then deny

962
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:34,360
all over again.

963
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 16: Well, I can assure you this one thing. I haven't

964
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:42,039
murdered anybody, haven't robbed anybody. I haven't burglarized any houses.

965
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,119
And no matter I don't care how bad it looks

966
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,039
on me, I haven't done anything to anybody. And you

967
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,519
can search my house what you've done. I haven't done anything.

968
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:53,719
That's what I'm telling you.

969
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,639
Speaker 3: Were you in this neighborhood, No, you weren't talking to

970
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,199
any of these people. No, I wasn't.

971
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,599
Speaker 1: Eventually this interview ran its course, and to Patrick's surprise,

972
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,440
the detectives didn't arrest them. Instead, they placed him and

973
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,719
his wife, Janet, in the same room. The moment she

974
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,800
walked in, Patrick broke down, sabbing and pleading with her

975
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,719
to believe he was innocent.

976
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,559
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry you're going through this. I promise you

977
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,800
I never did anything to anybody, and I can't explain it.

978
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 8: I can't that.

979
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: I can promise you all my heart they're wrong.

980
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,159
Speaker 18: But I can promise you to just listen. I promise

981
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:44,239
you it doesn't matter what anybody says or does do

982
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,679
is I'm telling you chan't it, no matter what anything

983
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,599
looks like. I'm not little to anything.

984
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,119
Speaker 1: After his emotional display, Patrick was allowed to leave the station,

985
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,320
but his freedom didn't last long. The very next day,

986
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,800
detectives arrested him and brought him back in. Up to

987
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,440
that point, Patrick had flatly denied ever cruising through Austin

988
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:10,519
or asking about homes for sale, But now he had

989
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:14,480
a problem. At one of those houses where witnesses had

990
00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:19,320
identified him, investigators had found his fingerprints.

991
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 21: When police released a picture of Russou, another woman called

992
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,000
saying Russo had said the same thing to her. Police

993
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,880
say fingerprints left in her home matched Russeau's.

994
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,119
Speaker 1: Even with this evidence, the police didn't charge Patrick with

995
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:36,480
Diane's murder, at least not yet. Instead, they booked him

996
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,559
on a parole violation, which was clearly a strategic move

997
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,559
to keep a suspected killer behind bars while they built

998
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:48,559
a stronger case against them. Part of that effort included

999
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,119
executing a search warrant on Patrick's home, but when they did,

1000
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:59,039
Diane's engagement ring was nowhere to be found. To this day,

1001
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:05,119
it has never been recovered. Nonetheless, Patrick's arrest gave investigators

1002
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:09,360
a chance to interrogate him again and maybe this time

1003
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,239
get a confession.

1004
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,079
Speaker 16: Surely I don't have the only Pewter four minivan in

1005
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:16,159
this entire town.

1006
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 22: You have the only Pewter four mini men in this

1007
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:21,480
entire town, or in the entire Stata taxas that has.

1008
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,039
Speaker 3: That laughing played on them.

1009
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 16: That's true, That is true. I'm just saying, if someone

1010
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,960
wrote that number on my license plate down and they're mistaken,

1011
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:36,639
because it's not me, coincidences happened. If they didn't, they

1012
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:41,840
wouldn't be called coincidences. I'm sure of one thing that

1013
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,239
I didn't murder anybody.

1014
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: Despite the arrest and despite all of the evidence. Patrick

1015
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,840
continued to play his tired old game.

1016
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 22: I'm a little, frankly, a little fit up with all

1017
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,480
this coincidence. It's not and you know it done that,

1018
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,400
and we know it done that, and we looked good.

1019
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you I didn't murder him.

1020
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,119
Speaker 7: Ok And you say you didn't murder somebody, Maybe you didn't, Okay,

1021
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:16,599
But you were in that neighborhood, Tony, and you talked

1022
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:18,159
to several people in that neighborhood.

1023
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 5: They said that you were there at their home.

1024
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 7: And it wasn't at four o'clock in the afternoon, it

1025
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:24,599
was earlier than that.

1026
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 22: And you've been in other places in Austin doing similar stuff, sir,

1027
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,880
with your van and your fingerprint being written down.

1028
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 7: The license plate of that band was written down at

1029
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,079
another time, not just this past time, but another time.

1030
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 5: And you told me.

1031
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 12: Yesterday that nobody else drives your van except for you.

1032
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:50,599
Speaker 1: In the short time between Patrick's first interview in his arrest,

1033
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:55,920
investigators uncovered a few new details about him, details that

1034
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,880
were deeply unsettling. It turned out that the Diane Hall

1035
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,880
case wasn't the only active investigation where the name Patrick

1036
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,199
Russo had come up.

1037
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 12: You know, what let me ask you something.

1038
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:13,599
Speaker 7: We called like Jackson yesterday and we talked to several detectives.

1039
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 3: Who knew Patrick Russo really, really well.

1040
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 7: We had some very interesting conversations about some cases that

1041
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,239
you were involved in that you were never filed on for.

1042
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:29,239
And you know those cases involved Those cases involve you

1043
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:34,360
choking women. You tying women up and choking them. I

1044
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,960
find that very interesting.

1045
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:37,519
Speaker 3: Another one of those coincidences.

1046
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 5: I suppose that's a coincidence.

1047
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: Naturally, Patrick had even more denials and excuses about all

1048
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,280
of these other eerily similar investigations.

1049
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,239
Speaker 7: They have multiple women over there that were choked by

1050
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,199
Patrick Russo, and.

1051
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:54,239
Speaker 12: They all picked you out.

1052
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 7: You admitted to the one that you knew you were

1053
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,000
busted on because you were picked out of that lineup.

1054
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm in it too. Every single thing that I've been

1055
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,400
in trouble with.

1056
00:58:03,679 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 7: You never said anything about choking any of those other women,

1057
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:08,559
tying them up.

1058
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:13,719
Speaker 3: I tied up one person when I have my nervous breakdown.

1059
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:16,599
Speaker 12: I'm talking about the ones that you didn't talk about.

1060
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the women that you.

1061
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 12: Did tie up and choke that she didn't talk about.

1062
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,119
Speaker 16: I have not tied up anybody and choked anybody.

1063
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: Really, I have assaulted a couple of people that I

1064
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,440
have tied up.

1065
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,559
Speaker 12: Women are men, there were women, That's what I'm talking about.

1066
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:34,199
Speaker 3: They have at least five cases.

1067
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 22: They got a stack of women who said, yeah, that's

1068
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,320
the guy that choked me.

1069
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 7: You only told us that one because that's the one

1070
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:43,760
you got convicted on.

1071
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:46,599
Speaker 12: There's multiple cases that they could have filed on you.

1072
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 5: And why they didn't, I don't know. And you know

1073
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,920
what they were like, I can't believe.

1074
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 12: He's out of jail.

1075
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 5: There's several women that said.

1076
00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:57,039
Speaker 12: You tied him up, You tied their hands up.

1077
00:58:58,199 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 7: How about the one who came out of her bedroom

1078
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:01,360
and the other one was tied up and then he

1079
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,480
had to tie her up too.

1080
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: You guys are twisting things up because they told them.

1081
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,480
You need to read the police report.

1082
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:14,159
Speaker 16: Don't listen to overtalk from ten years ago, because it's

1083
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:14,880
really easy to.

1084
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 3: Start confusing things.

1085
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:18,159
Speaker 16: You read my files and see what was said and

1086
00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:20,599
written in those things, and then come talk to me

1087
00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:22,039
about them.

1088
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: As the investigation into Patrick deepened, a disturbing pattern became

1089
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,000
very clear when that pointed to a twisted fascination with

1090
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,960
choking women. That dark obsession was also confirmed by statements

1091
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,719
from his own wife.

1092
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,519
Speaker 19: He has always been fast. I will say this, He's

1093
00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:46,559
always been fascinated with my neck. I guess the glass

1094
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:49,880
is a skinny little neck. I mean, I will say

1095
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,679
that he does tend to put his hand on my neck.

1096
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,039
But if I say let go or I can't.

1097
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 6: Airways getting restricted, you know, then and he's he always

1098
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,239
lets go.

1099
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,679
Speaker 8: I mean, he realizes, you know.

1100
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,679
Speaker 7: And what would you say if I told you that

1101
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:11,199
your wife told Detective Gilchrist that you choke her during sex?

1102
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,119
Speaker 5: What would you say to that?

1103
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,679
Speaker 16: I would say that what I do in my sex

1104
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,519
life is nobody's business.

1105
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:20,559
Speaker 7: It may not be, but I think it's very pertinent

1106
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,079
in this case. And what's happened here and what's happened

1107
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:23,800
in your past.

1108
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 5: You like to choke women, that's obvious. Why would you

1109
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,679
choke your wife during sex?

1110
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 16: You guys after my phone call came in here and

1111
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:35,519
are instantly hostile.

1112
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 7: Why?

1113
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1114
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, this is my life here, this is my

1115
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:43,320
life is it's on the line.

1116
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:44,159
Speaker 3: Here right now.

1117
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:47,039
Speaker 4: I didn't do anything to hurt anybody else's wife. And yes,

1118
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:49,039
I have a reason to feel the way I feel.

1119
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:55,199
Speaker 1: Patrick kept up his act, the cooperative, rightfully accused man,

1120
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:58,519
just trying to clear his name, but it never worked.

1121
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,880
The web of so called coincidences and mounting evidence have

1122
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,360
become far too much for him to overcome.

1123
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:10,119
Speaker 3: I've tried to cooperate with you, guys. You know what.

1124
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:12,519
You're not trying to cooperate. You're trying to snow us.

1125
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 22: You're trying to get over on this so they will

1126
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:15,639
think that you're this.

1127
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 23: High and mighty religious whatever, that is so much better

1128
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,440
than your past, that you've done, all that, you're through

1129
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,400
with all that and nothing happened.

1130
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 3: You're innocent.

1131
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 22: You couldn't have been anywhere that we said you were when.

1132
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 24: The facts, indisputable, concrete facts say different. Quit all this

1133
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:44,159
crap about coincidences and no I wasn't here, No I

1134
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:47,719
wasn't there, And get right, it meant to what you did,

1135
01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:51,320
and maybe we can get to the forgiveness part, because

1136
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,039
this is just crap.

1137
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 3: It's just bullshit, and you know it.

1138
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,559
Speaker 1: Like his first interview, this interrogation eventually ran its course.

1139
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,840
Patrick held firm to his story. He clung on to

1140
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,800
his lies and refused to confess.

1141
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I am.

1142
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,639
Speaker 16: I'm in a real big days here because I can't

1143
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:11,960
believe this has happening in my life.

1144
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 3: Well you better believe it.

1145
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 5: And you knew it yesterday. You knew it yesterday. You

1146
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:17,840
know exactly what's going on.

1147
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 3: Patrick, I know what's going on. You can't help it

1148
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,239
if I can't believe what's happening.

1149
01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 7: The well, you know what, We're going to prove that

1150
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,000
you did it and it isn't going to be that

1151
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,079
hard because you're there.

1152
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:32,039
Speaker 5: Everybody saw you there.

1153
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,079
Speaker 12: You're just making it worse for yourself.

1154
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,519
Speaker 3: I did not kill anybody.

1155
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:38,159
Speaker 5: You're just making it worse for yourself.

1156
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:43,639
Speaker 1: But Patrick sat in jail on his parole violation, Investigators

1157
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:47,119
kept working the case, and before long they had enough

1158
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:51,960
to move forward. Formal murder charges were filed against him.

1159
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 21: In May, Russo was indicted for the November two thousand

1160
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,199
and one murder of Diane Hollick. Hollick's Northwest Austin home

1161
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,559
was up for sale. Police think Russo posed as an

1162
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:04,360
interested buyer and arrest. Warren explains, November fifteenth, Hollock told

1163
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,159
a friend a man was going to sell his ranch

1164
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:06,880
and buy her home.

1165
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 14: The next day, police found her strangled body.

1166
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: As expected, Patrick pleaded not guilty, and what followed were

1167
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:18,920
months of motions, hearings, and seemingly endless days.

1168
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 21: This is supposed to be a hearing where Patrick Russo's

1169
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,920
defense finds out what evidence of prosecution has against it,

1170
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,039
but the judge decides to focus on other capital murder.

1171
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 14: Cases first and postpones the hearing.

1172
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 16: I'm absolutely you know, saying, I don't think this are

1173
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:37,519
having here for two years my life.

1174
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:39,679
Speaker 14: It's a setback for Russo and his family.

1175
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 25: One of the things that I think has just really

1176
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,719
been frustrating is the fact that with all the postponements,

1177
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:50,880
it doesn't seem to be a system that brings about

1178
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,920
justice the way that maybe we thought it would.

1179
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,159
Speaker 21: Russo's family members don't want to talk about details, afraid

1180
01:03:57,199 --> 01:03:59,679
it might hurt the case, but say they know Russo's

1181
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:02,239
innoc and just want the chance to tell his side

1182
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,239
and get him home.

1183
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,159
Speaker 25: Basically, our lives are on hold right now until this

1184
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:07,519
situation gets resolved.

1185
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: By two thousand and three, Patrick's case finally went to trial,

1186
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:17,239
nearly two years after Diane Hollick's murder. Prosecutors laid out

1187
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:21,199
a chilling case They told jurors that Patrick Russo had

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spent months cruising neighborhoods around Austin posing as a cash

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buyer interested in homes for sale. Nearly every person he

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approached was a woman. He'd introduced himself with different names,

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spends stories about selling a ranch, and insist on meeting alone.

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They presented witnesses, realtors, and homeowners who identified Patrick as

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the man who'd made them uncomfortable with his behavior. Then

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came the forensic evidence DNA from Diane's left hand that

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matched Patrick and Hare's found on a towel inside her

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home that could exclude him as the source. But what

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truly unsettled the courtroom was testimony from Patrick's first wife.

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She told jurors that during their marriage, Patrick had a

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disturbing sexual affixation that he could only climax while joking her.

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In part, that testimony helped prosecutors expose what they believed

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to be Patrick's motive on his home computer. Investigators had

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also uncovered over a thousand images from an exphyxiation themed

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porn site called necrobabes dot com. You're welcome, Weirdo. To

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the prosecution, this wasn't just pornography. It was Patrick's violent

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fantasy brought to life in the murder of Diane Hollick.

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Speaker 3: Well, why would y'all even think that I would do

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something like that? What motive I would have had to

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do something like that?

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Speaker 5: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: Was it burglary, was it a robbery?

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Speaker 5: Was it rape? I don't know. I mean that woman

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never did anything to hurt anybody.

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Speaker 3: Everybody loved that woman.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I haven't heard one person say a bad

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thing about this person.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it had no enemies. There's no reason for it,

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none whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: After learning that Diane had been murdered, her family, friends,

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and investigators all struggled to understand why that would someone

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tie her up and strangle her for no apparent reason.

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In the end, the answer wasn't complicated, just horrifying. Patrick

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Russo had a fantasy, an overwhelming compulsion to choke women,

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one that overpowered reason, empathy, and even his own fear

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of losing his freedom. What he did wasn't driven by rage.

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That was driven by a perverse need for power and control. Deliberate, predatory,

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and obsessive. This reality paints a chilling picture of Diane's

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final moments we know that Patrick went to her home,

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tied her up, and strangled her to death, before maliciously

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cleaning the scene and fleeing, but Patrick never confessed. The

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most haunting details remain unknown. How did he gain control

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of Diane? How long did he keep her restrained before

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deciding to kill her? What did he say to her?

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What did she say to him? Did she beg for

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her life? Did Diane know she was going to die?

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All these questions and so many others will likely never

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be answered.

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Speaker 3: Try to live my life and do what's right.

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Speaker 7: And you say that, but would you really admit to

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it if he did? If I didn't do the Christian thing,

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I mean, I will tell you you wouldn't hide behind

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this whole Christian cloak thing.

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Speaker 16: It's not a cloak thing, it's a for real thing,

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And as a Christian, I wouldn't do.

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Speaker 3: Something like that.

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Speaker 1: Patrick could spent years constructing a mask to the world.

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He was a man of faith, a Christian, a music minister,

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a husband, a family man. But behind the facade was

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something else. He was a predator, prowling for women and

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attempting to perfect his routine over and over until the

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day he finally struck.

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Speaker 7: It's disgusting to sit here and listen to you talk

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about being such a devout Christian and forgiveness and how

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much you've turned.

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Speaker 20: Your life around, when this one coincidence after another, this

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whole thing goes back to similarity that I'm sure a

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coincidence so back in nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety nine too, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, But you're this reborn Christian.

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Speaker 12: And you're gonna sit here and lie about it.

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Speaker 1: The split between the life Patrick performed and the darkness

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he concealed is ultimately what defines him, and it's what

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stripped away any doubt about who he truly was. Not

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a man of God, not a misunderstood soul, but a

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monster hiding in plain sight. Tragically, the person who paid

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the ultimate price for this monster's desires was an ordinary woman,

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someone simply trying to sell her home and start a

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new life with her fiance.

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Speaker 5: I mean, tell me what her daily routine is, do

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you know?

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Speaker 9: Gets up about a fifteen, it's right over to the computer,

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it's see make sure the dogs are fine, and she

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just starts cranking away till you know, like noon. And

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I think she usually takes a shower and gets dressed

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from his errands or whatever, and then cranks till whenever

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she needs to crank till she'll go workout or announce

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it sound like.

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Speaker 11: She'd liked to go out to have sue. She once

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in a while, she wasn't a big as a lad.

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In the next couple of years big going out in person,

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whils she's staying at home. She did a lot of

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eating at home. Her kids were alife, adults. Dog was

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going over kids is what I go into. They were

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very important to her, so she as took care of them.

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She leaned by themselves, so she was That was her

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her family.

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Speaker 3: I gives.

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Speaker 1: On May ninth, two thousand and three, the Texas jury

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returned a guilty verdict for Patrick Russo, but because they

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couldn't reach a unanimous decision on the sentencing, the judge

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imposed an automatic sentence of life in prison without the

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possibility of parole, sparing him the death penalty. Her investigators,

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this conviction was the end of a long and difficult

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case for Diane's friends and family. It was the end

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of something far greater, a life that never should have

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been taken. As for Patrick, he will spend the rest

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of his life behind bars, remembered not for his music

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or his faith, but for the false life he built

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in the violence that exposed it. If you like that,

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