WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.400 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.160 are your favorites, so like to subscribe and raid it 3 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:14.800 Lip starck s. 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:16.199 And me. 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:24.079 Grates on us today listening watch Limb always. 6 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:24.879 Keep its watching. 7 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.440 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 8 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:33.000 It's been over two weeks with out of fun outs. 9 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:35.439 The hope comes today, but well. 10 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:37.439 Here we'll start the conversation with that. Then they'll be fun. 11 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:38.560 Yeah. 12 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:41.880 People like to know your your woes, chaotic woes of 13 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:50.640 Bobo WOBOs whobos. Oh we're recording. Indeed, Hey bobes, what's 14 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:51.200 happened to man? 15 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:54.079 Let your tough Cliff? Oh? Stuff? 16 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:56.600 You know me? What about you? Matt? What about anything 17 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:58.159 going over there? Matt Pruitt? How are you doing? 18 00:00:58.560 --> 00:00:59.159 Oh? I'm good. 19 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:00.960 I was down in George for a few days. They're 20 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:04.920 in squash country. It was also tourist season, so it 21 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:08.519 was not quite as devoid of people, you know, when 22 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:10.760 you're trying to get out and enjoyed nature rather than 23 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:13.879 like crazy traffic and people cluttering up the streets. But 24 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:16.280 it was a beautiful trip, nice visit. Always good to 25 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:17.519 be back in North towarda. 26 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:19.480 Yeah, I went out the last couple of nights with Bart. 27 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.560 Didn't have anything happen, but it was cool just getting out. 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.040 Beautiful that, you know, two thirds of the moon, real 29 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:28.159 warm weather, even at night. It was still like in 30 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:31.920 the sixties. Of those sixties, it was beautiful. But yeah, 31 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:32.920 nothing to report. 32 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:34.599 Yeah, of course, I just got off a week on 33 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.719 the road. I was in Utah. Beautiful Vernal Utah, Holy smokes, 34 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.519 what a pretty place that is for a really interesting event, 35 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.799 interesting in weird ways too. It's called Phenomenon. I'll go 36 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:47.879 into the details, of course in the members episode, but 37 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:50.359 for now, just let it be known that if you're 38 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:54.719 into UFOs and Skinwalker ranch stuff and the TV shows, 39 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:57.920 and that's a wonderful event for you guys to go to. 40 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.280 I would highly recommend it for anybody who in the 41 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.560 deeply weird things go to Phenomicon in Vernal Utah. And 42 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:08.599 my god, my biggest regret about the Vernal gig was 43 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:12.120 that I didn't have an extra day or two because 44 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.000 there's so much to do in Vernal Utah. It's in 45 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.240 the middle of this big bowl shape thing, like the 46 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:21.400 big bowl shaped valley, and there's dinosaur stuff everywhere. It's 47 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:24.960 spitting distance, like thirty minutes from Dinosaur National Monument or 48 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.840 whatever that's called. And I have a fossils I'm a 49 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.199 dinosaur guy. I'm still a seven year old little boy. 50 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.759 I mean, what seven year old boy or a girl 51 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.159 doesn't live dinosaurs. I wish I just had more time. 52 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:37.439 There's two or three museums in town, and it's just 53 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.400 gorgeous there, absolutely gorgeous. 54 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:40.680 Maybe next time. 55 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:44.319 Is that pretty well attended because it's so far from anything. 56 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.159 I mean, it's got to be at least a few 57 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:48.719 hours from the airport in Salt Lake City, right, Yeah. 58 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:50.759 They flew me into Salt Lake City and it was 59 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.520 a three hour drive to Vernal, Utah. So they rented 60 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:56.240 me a car, which is really cool. By the way, 61 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:58.960 I don't know much about cars, but hyund dice or 62 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.439 whatever they're called. Snatas are pretty awesome. I rand one 63 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.319 of those things that really slick car had a lot 64 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:05.479 of fun in it. But anyway, yeah, it's a long 65 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.759 ways from Salt Lake City. I guess they have a 66 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.680 small local airstrip, but they didn't fly me into there, 67 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.759 so it was a long drive and I really enjoyed it. 68 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.400 It was just absolutely beautiful, you know, because Utah has 69 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:18.719 that kind of red soil and it looks like, you know, 70 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.080 coyote versus road runner territory, you know, with these maces 71 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.759 all over the place, and it's just absolutely awesome. But 72 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.479 to answer your question, it was sold out. Not only 73 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.159 was it well attended, it was literally sold out in 74 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:32.400 the in the convention center. 75 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:35.919 See that's what I mean, because like how many local residents, 76 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:37.960 like how many people are coming from Salt Lake City 77 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.240 and or the surrounding towns, which all the towns are 78 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:41.879 so small, so it seems like that kind of thing 79 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:43.240 that most people fly in. 80 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.319 A lot of people drove there, to be fair, I mean, 81 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.840 just kind of a brief skim of my ever failing memory. 82 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.960 The people I remember speaking to came from Colorado and 83 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:58.879 Utah and Oregon and California. Some people from Las Vegas 84 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.520 were there, so a lot of the surrounding states as 85 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.039 well as a lot of locals from Salt Lake and 86 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.520 places like that, or you know, Provo or wherever. But 87 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:11.319 there were people from most states there, you know, because 88 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:14.479 the MC of course pointed that out, like we were 89 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.079 represented by X number of states and things and people 90 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.680 from other countries were there as well. People were there 91 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.000 from the UK and Denmark and other places. Yeah, it 92 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.600 was a very well attended job or gig or event. 93 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:27.279 I should say. 94 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:29.680 From my perspective it's a job, but everybody else, you know, 95 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:32.680 it's an event. So it was a cool event. It 96 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.199 was neat and a lot of fun, weird stuff and 97 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:37.800 ideas that I don't necessarily subscribe to but are fun 98 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:41.240 to entertain, just as thought experiments, and it was great. 99 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:46.000 I strongly recommend people who are into a variety of 100 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.920 weird things to check it out. You'd probably really enjoy it. 101 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:52.240 So now I'm back, I'm looking forward to trying to 102 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.519 get out in the woods a little bit. It's been 103 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.879 like two weeks, three weeks now since I've been out 104 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.879 in the woods, and I think legitimately this is as long. 105 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:00.959 It's not true. I was in the blues two weeks ago, 106 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:03.639 but that's different than what I was thinking. But still 107 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:07.040 two weeks getting the shakes, the shakes, oh yeah, exactly, 108 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.639 the yeah, the yeah. I don't know as I call it, 109 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.120 but I definitely am getting the shakes on that one. Withdrawals, 110 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:16.519 the withdrawals, for sure, the yetty withdrawals but yeah, it's 111 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:18.600 been a long time, like two weeks is probably as 112 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.439 long as it's been in two years since I've been 113 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.959 out to the woods. So I need to get out. 114 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.199 Hopefully this week I can find some time. But being 115 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:30.920 gone from Tuesday to Sunday last week, I'm drowning in 116 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:33.319 things that are overdue and I should have done last week. 117 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:34.879 So we'll see what I can get away with. 118 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:37.000 How goes the search for your phone? 119 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:37.399 Bobs? 120 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:39.720 Oh, yeah, your phone. I can't help, but notice there's 121 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.240 been a lack of Bobo texts lately. 122 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.079 It's been over two weeks now. I haven't had a phone. 123 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.839 We found out where it was. I thought I lost it. Well, 124 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:50.600 I think what happens. I think I was putting on 125 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:52.519 my boots when I told you the guy watched up 126 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:54.240 my truck here and like that sword thing. 127 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.560 Yes, yes, we talked about in the members section. 128 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.120 So oh yeah, oh real quick for the audience, and 129 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.600 I think he's gonna be listening to this. But you 130 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:07.040 let this guy he self as he's a little bit 131 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:12.120 of an odd character. Reported he's contacting the you guys 132 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:14.439 you know through the through the show, saying hey, I 133 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:17.120 got bigfoots up here. Outside of whill Creek. I'm serious, 134 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:20.079 and like some of his stuff, I think he had 135 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:22.279 he had like a traumatic experience and like he's got 136 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.360 squashed on the brain. He's just been camping out there, 137 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.279 not really camping, just living in his van and just 138 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:34.000 like hanging out. And he's right below a really well 139 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.240 known bigfoot spot. He didn't he didn't know at the time. 140 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:38.759 He just picked it randomly. So yeah, we went out 141 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.639 there and we've been him in town and he just 142 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.680 uh kind of he looked he reminded me of Zach 143 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:49.439 Gaffnaculis from The Hangover. He had like the same same look, 144 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.680 same body, like same every It's not like a dead ringer, 145 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.399 Like the face wasn't the exact same, but same, you know, 146 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.959 bushy beard, hair kind of style and just. 147 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:00.680 Kind of like his own trip. 148 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.120 You know, he's got his Homer Simpson shirt on, and 149 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.199 he gets out, he goes bolo and he just looks 150 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:06.639 at me and gives me like a stern look and 151 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:08.439 walks into the gas. Because we were parts waiting for 152 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:10.920 him for a while out there at the Chevron and 153 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:13.319 Whillow Creek and then he comes out and he just 154 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:14.920 did he didn't even acknowledge us. So I got out 155 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:16.800 of my truck and walked everyone it's going on. He 156 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:18.920 was pumping some gas and he goes, we go out 157 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:22.160 there here to introduce yourself, formerly introduced some tell all 158 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:25.000 your credentials and every podcast and TV show you've ever 159 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.480 been on, so they know who you are. I go 160 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:29.879 all right, like all right, this is getting a little weird. 161 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.639 And then we went and so then we followed him 162 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.160 back up to where he was. He's out in there. 163 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.199 He was out in the sticks. He was up real 164 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:40.560 remote area, up pretty far. We get there at this 165 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.360 point it's dark. We get out where show. He's showing 166 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.399 us sort of some stuff happened off the main road 167 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.519 where you went down this like old logging road out 168 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:52.480 in the middle of nowhere, and we're getting our boots 169 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:54.519 on and stuff like that. He comes walking up on us, 170 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.160 like this guy's a trip man, Like yeah, he's kind 171 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:59.439 of yeah, you know, he's kind of a different character. 172 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:01.519 He comes walking up to us and he had this 173 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:05.319 big sword thing, like machety sword looking thing with like 174 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:08.759 look like at some medieval war weapon. He comes walking 175 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:10.079 up with us in the dark, and I was like, 176 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:12.040 oh geez, like what the hell is going on? 177 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:12.279 You know? 178 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:14.839 And turned out he's a nice guy's you know, he 179 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:16.439 just had he got stuck by a cougar. He had 180 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.000 a cougar come up to him just getting uh in 181 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.000 his van. He was sitting there at his van door. 182 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.680 I think he was reading or something with the door open, 183 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:27.040 and his cougar walked up like three four or five 184 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:30.319 feet from him and just stared at him, and he 185 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:32.639 scared him so bad, like he just wouldn't walk outside 186 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.559 of his van without carrying this sword thing. But I 187 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:36.879 didn't know that at the time. He just walks up 188 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:38.279 with it on me and PAULI, and PAULI was like 189 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:41.360 jumps back and that's when I always had my phone 190 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.840 out to record audio. I guess I said it on 191 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.519 the bumper, the back bumpers. I was at the back 192 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:48.320 of the truck and as we were kind of shut 193 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.080 going whoa, like that's that's kind of like I hope 194 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.759 this guy just go crazy, you know, And he was cool. 195 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:56.039 But yeah, I guess I put my phone down on 196 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.639 the back bumper and then we walked around and say 197 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:01.720 we looked for tracks where he'd had some stuff happen 198 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.120 up there and where we heard some stuff. We were 199 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:06.440 walking around with flashlights looking around and said, well, we'll 200 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.240 come back in the daytime sometime. I want to blow 201 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:09.840 up a bunch of tracks at night, like walk in 202 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:12.039 and can't see something step on it. So we went 203 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:16.039 down to where he'd been sleeping in his van and 204 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:18.919 we got down there and I turned around and I 205 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:20.960 backed up. It was, you know, it's like really steep, 206 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.080 you know, steepid as out of those like it's just 207 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:27.000 vertical canyon walls. I think what happened was when I 208 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:31.120 backed up, I backed up, I could see my tailgate camera. 209 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.600 When I was back up, I was my wheels were 210 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.399 still on the flat ground, but my tailgate was over 211 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:38.600 the edge, like it was already over the edge, like 212 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:42.519 where it drops off and there's like a tree root 213 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:44.559 in the ground there. And I bumped up over it 214 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:46.559 and I kind of gunned it to come back over 215 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:48.399 it like it truck bounced and I think it dropped 216 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:51.279 and bounced off there. Because when we finally were able 217 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.440 to pinpoint it because it didn't have a good reading 218 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.600 on the GPS where it was exactly, then we would 219 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.480 the coordinate where it was and get the GPS lined 220 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:03.919 up because the GPS, for whatever reason on Apple phones, 221 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:07.559 through Google Maps and Google Streets and all that, it 222 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:10.159 kept changing the road names on us, like as you 223 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:11.639 drove through this one area, it would change. 224 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:13.519 It'd flipped it, they'd flip it around. 225 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.360 And it happened on two different phones and a GPS, 226 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.799 which was weird. And so we figured out where we 227 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:22.759 were it was. It was lost right where this guy 228 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.080 was sleeping at. So we went back there and we 229 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:27.080 looked a couple of times, and I found out PAULI 230 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:29.840 had a metal detector. So we're gonna go back out there, 231 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:31.960 probably tomorrow the next day and go look forward. It's 232 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.879 supposed to rain tonight, pretty good, but I hope it 233 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:36.360 doesn't rain, get there and retrieve it. 234 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:37.679 But I got a phone coming in the mail. It 235 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:38.559 should be here today. 236 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.320 Well, hopefully you find your phone for no other reason, 237 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:42.679 just the photographs that are on it. 238 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.080 Yeah, that's what I'm going for. And I'm bringing out 239 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:47.200 rope this time so we can go down that hillside. 240 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:49.919 It's not a cliff clip, it's super steep. You need ropes. 241 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.360 But it would have had to slid down only a 242 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.320 couple different spots where I turned around. 243 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.120 So because it shows. 244 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.279 Up being off the off the road like about thirty 245 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:00.519 thirty five feet, so I think it slid down a 246 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.399 ways and it's down to the leaf. There's a bunch 247 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.279 of it's all oak through there and stuff, so there's 248 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:06.120 a lot of leaf litter. 249 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:08.919 Well, those find my phone apps sort of things are 250 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:12.039 pretty accurate. I've used one of those before I dropped 251 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:14.360 my phone on. I think it's during finding Bigfoot or 252 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:16.679 something like that, and it was out on the grass 253 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:18.440 next to the parking lot. It put me within like 254 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:21.679 maybe three or four yards of it, So they're pretty accurate. 255 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:23.000 You should be able to find it if you have 256 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:23.879 one of those things. 257 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.039 Yeah, but I figure the more times about there, that's 258 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:27.879 the better times. I haven't seeing one anyway, so it's 259 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.559 not that not that big of a deal. But yeah, 260 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.440 I hope, I hope I find it. The detecting out 261 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.519 tied into a robe off the side of a very steep, almost. 262 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:40.480 Cliff like hill, so it'll take pictures. Nothing can go wrong, 263 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.679 Nothing could go wrong. No, Well, that's the stuff that you, 264 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.759 my friend, are impervious to. Like when you put yourself 265 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:51.919 in ridiculous, potentially dangerous situations, you always come out Scott Free. 266 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.399 It's the stuff that you wouldn't think would be dangerous. 267 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.440 Where you're you are in most danger. 268 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:00.039 Yeah, I jumped over this little creek yesterday just walking 269 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.399 through town with Created and she walked around, I'm just 270 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.679 gonna jump over it. I did the exact same thing 271 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:06.600 when I blew my back out when I her needed 272 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.679 those discs when we were filming the show. I blew 273 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:10.879 up my back season two, like where I jumped and 274 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:13.639 landed like on a opposing like you know, just like 275 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:15.519 it's like a you know, it's like a V shape. 276 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:18.399 I jumped across and I landed lower down. I put 277 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:21.519 my left leg up totally straight and stiff when I landed, 278 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:25.039 and totally like felt I could feel the exact say. 279 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:26.559 I was like, oh, like the second I did, like 280 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.039 that was stupid. Then I impacted like right at the 281 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:32.159 same exact moment, and I just got that same jarring 282 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:34.039 like I could feel right in my back where I 283 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:37.120 just cave those her need to those discs before, And 284 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.000 I was like, it didn't happen, but I could feel 285 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:42.480 like we're it was close. It tingled pretty hard but 286 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:44.559 didn't get hurt. I was like, God, I think I 287 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:46.799 almost got hurt walking taking walk in town. 288 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.519 That's exactly what Clip's talking about. 289 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.159 Like, you will survive the the cliff diving, metal detecting, 290 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:57.360 back flipping down a mountain, you know, phone search, but 291 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.000 it's the hop in town that'll get you. 292 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:01.000 Yeah. 293 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.720 Yeah, wear a padded suit when you check your mail, 294 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:10.080 bobes do it from me. 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Well, very good, what are 331 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.720 we talking about today? Well, you know one of the 332 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:12.399 topics that comes up a lot, not just in the 333 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:15.440 Q and as but with listeners suggested topics is the 334 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.120 idea of DNA, and there's a couple of different threads 335 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:19.840 there that comes through, like one of which is the 336 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:24.759 sort of mythos that there exists a number of like 337 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:29.519 previously tested quote unquote unknown primate DNA samples, which is 338 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:32.120 totally a myth and so we could cover some of that. 339 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:35.440 But a lot of people think now that DNA technology 340 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:38.320 has come along so far and we have things like 341 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:41.480 the North Carolina study getting so heavily involved that I 342 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.519 know Doug Hichek was going to get some testing done 343 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:47.039 as part of legendmede science that discovery will occur as 344 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.799 the consequence of DNA testing, and that's looking more and 345 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.639 more promising. You know, a body might still be needed 346 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:55.960 down the line one day to study like a skeletal 347 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.559 structure or a respiratory system or something like that. But 348 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:00.720 I think a lot of peop people really want to 349 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.399 hear what discovery might look like were it to happen today. 350 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.440 And I thought Darby was saying like, it's more muddle now, 351 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.879 it's not as easy thought like I thought that was 352 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.440 the gist what I heard last Well. 353 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.679 Maybe with E DNA, Yeah, E DNA is problematic, but 354 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:17.720 we can definitely tackle that. Should we just start there? 355 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.039 Yeah, I think we should just touch on all the above. 356 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:22.279 I mean, the overarching nature of a lot of the 357 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.440 questions that come in is like, what does discovery look like? Now? 358 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.720 Is it only a body? Is DNA something that's going 359 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:31.519 to constitute discovery or is that just another you know, 360 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.639 stone on the path towards discovery. 361 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:37.240 Well, that's an interesting question, actually, and I certainly have 362 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.399 thoughts on that. To back up a little bit, everybody knows, 363 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.600 from Krantz to Green, et cetera, there's an advocacy for 364 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:48.279 a type specimen, a holotype of the animal, because every 365 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.399 other species of animal out there that is real in 366 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.639 the eyes of academia has a dead one in a 367 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:59.120 freezer somewhere or a mason jar fromaldehyde. And that was 368 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:02.960 the original one, the first one killed and then described 369 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.880 in a peer reviewed journal. Almost every other animal human 370 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:09.640 beings don't have one, because we're pretty sure we're real. 371 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:13.200 Although there's some argument there too, I guess, especially a phenomicon. 372 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.799 But on top of that, well, actually they say Linnaeus, 373 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:21.640 the guy the scientists back in with the early seventeen hundreds, 374 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.200 I think the guy who made up the taxonomic system 375 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:29.680 of naming animals like genus species stuff. They give Linnaeus 376 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:32.960 the credit of being the type specimen for Homo sapiens, 377 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.680 which I think is kind of fun. You know, there's 378 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:38.680 also a monkey. I understand that was deemed too rare 379 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.920 to even spare one because it would upset the balance. 380 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:44.599 So they don't have a type specimen. But they have 381 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:48.240 enough documentation of various sorts and I believe including hair 382 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:50.279 samples that could be wrong on that, So they don't 383 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:52.039 have a type specimen or a holotype for that one. 384 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.000 And I thought there was another species just recently that 385 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.559 is something similar. But the basic gist of a holotype 386 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.519 is that you need a body or a piece of 387 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.279 a body. Well, the good news is that DNA is 388 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.799 a piece of the body. It's a very very small one, 389 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.319 but it literally is a piece of a body. And 390 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.240 some species were proven to be real by DNA so far, 391 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:20.079 most notably and most pertinent our Field Denisovans homodenis Ovan 392 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:24.759 human and probably not ancestrab well some of us, because 393 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:28.319 they did interbreed with Homo sapiens, but a relative human 394 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:32.000 relative a Homo Sapien relative. It was discovered by a 395 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:35.720 DNA They found a small segment of a fingerbone in 396 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:39.200 a cave, and they it was recent enough that they 397 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:42.240 could test it for DNA, and sure enough, it wasn't 398 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.759 Neanderthals like they thought it was. It was this brand 399 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:49.279 new thing, Denisovans. So that's encouraging for us that DNA 400 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.440 can be used to prove a species as present now 401 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:55.000