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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here with a special interview episode.

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Oh snap, We're getting ready to get jiggy with Andy Frye,

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who is pretty fly for a white guy, talking about

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his new book, which is hella good.

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Speaker 2: No, stop stop, what that is awful?

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Speaker 1: Hey, talk to the hand.

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Speaker 3: I knew you're gonna say, talk to the hand, and

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you're gonna say, don't go there because wrapped up in

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the nineties already, I guess.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, what what's sapped? Andy Frye. So, dear Shirley listeners,

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we are here talking with the author of a new

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book called ninety Days in the Nineties. I don't think

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it's given up too much to say. There's a little

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time travel involved and obviously going back to the last

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decade of the millennium. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: We both read it and had a blast.

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Speaker 3: Many I'm glad you liked it. It was fun to write.

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Speaker 1: So tell us about you, Andy. You you've done sports writing,

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You've had stuff with Rolling Stone and what was the

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other Man? ESPN? ESPN. Tell us about your kind of

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your history in the writing world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I started off doing a nine to

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five like a lot of people, and you know, writing

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was always a hobby in the background. So but I

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wrote for ESPN for about six years. So most of it,

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especially in the beginning, was extreme sports. So you probably

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remember page two and all the wacky stuff that was

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on page two. And one of the cool things was

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at the same time I was writing, so probably like

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twenty eleven in two thousand and let's say sixteen, one

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of my favorite features there, like there's a lot of

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stupid stuff and some of it was that Disney has

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the Jonas Brothers, so they're like, hey, we own ESPN.

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Let's put let's put the Jonas Brothers on the ESPN basketball.

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We'll we'll play pick up with you know, Bonzie Wells

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or whoever back, you know, whoever you can find to

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hang out with him for We'll pay him enough. But

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but I love the fact that Duff mccag and from

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Guns of Rose is the bass player. He's a great writer.

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He actually wrote a book on his own. He would

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write a Wednesday column and I would always read and

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I think it must have been when he was with

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delet Revolver. He'd go around the country talk about, like,

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you know, playing live, but also talking like football trash

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talk with the lead singer Pantera. I remember the lead

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singer Pantera is a Saints fan, and Duff, you know

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from Pacific Northwest, he's a Seahawks fan, and you know,

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they kind of lay it out as like we would

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with our friends. You know, you could go visit one

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of your friends from college or I don't know, you're

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you're in the printing business and you go to printing conference,

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but you're gonna en up talking about music and sports,

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and that's how I think a lot of Americans are,

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so uh yeah, I just kind of followed that, like

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I consider myself a fan first, and I you know,

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I would have written about log tossing championships for ESPN.

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I just kind of wanted to write about things that

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I thought were fun and fascinating, and so the first

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couple of articles I wrote for them were extreme sports.

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I actually did cover Southside Catholic football for a while

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in the fall of twenty eleven. I basically had a

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game a weekend and would cover like I don't know,

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like a Saint Ritas versus Mount Carmel and kind of

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all the parochial stuff that happens here in Chicago. And

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then I had a stint just covering, like I mean,

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what it was was aging rock starts and talking about sports.

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I first started out with Billy from Smashing Pumpkins, who

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was starting a wrestling league. He actually just started another

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wrestling league now that his band is playing again. A guy,

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he's a guy who always needs to keep busy, I guess, wow.

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And I was blogging first site that was owned by

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the Tribune, and I was the one person who got

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the interview with him. I think just because our community

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manager at the site was like, Hey, if you want

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to interview Billy from Smashing Pumpkins as a wrestling league,

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you know, here's here's who you contact. Don't bug me

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about it. Good luck. You know. Literally, within within an hour,

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I'm writing an email, like you know, with ESPN and

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the subject line thick and I maybe I'll get a

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bite on this. And I did, and we talked about

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just sports fandom and why he's starting in his wrestling league,

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and I eventually kind of played frogger hopped a couple

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other interesting rockers who taught wanted to talk to me

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about sports, like Noel from Oasis had a new band

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at the time, which he still has now. I got

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Marssey from the Smiths, you know, the great Marssy, the

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Fussy Morrissey, and talked about English football and some things

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like that, and I just kind of, you know, I

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just kind of took a project by project until about

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the probably the summer twenty sixteen, and I made a

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contact at Rolling Stone who was kind of their new

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sports editor, and I lucked out that he was a

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Cubs fan from Chicago, so, you know, and this is

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twenty sixteen, when the Cubs are awesome and they won,

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We're going to go on to win the World Series.

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and account management for party of twenty years. I just

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kind of used that sink or swim impulse of like

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reaching out with people, following up, you know, throwing ideas

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out there and not getting offended with people like editors

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would say no. And it's opened a lot of doors,

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a lot of cool a lot of cool interviews and

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just a lot of cool. You know, as a freelance writer,

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I've got to do a lot more. Probably the most

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freelancers just get to do, and you know, that's that's

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kind of the brunt of my sports writing career.

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Speaker 1: I guess you could say, you've talked to athletes about music,

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and you've talked to musicians about sports, and you've talked

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to Tom Brady about fashion.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we.

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Speaker 1: Need to hear about that. I was going to say,

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I'm kind of fascinated by the let's talk about the

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thing that's not related to what you're famous for kind

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of idea. I think that's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, maybe that's why I ended up at Forbes.

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Things are kind of floundering at in about twenty eighteen,

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at Rolling Stone they had a new buyer and they

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kind of rebrand and just went like they kind of

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dumped a lot of the pop culture that wasn't music related,

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went straight to music. So I kind of saw the

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writing on the wall. I just looked around and talked

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to some people, and I ended up at Forbes as

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a freelancer there. So the cool part about that is

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it it's, you know, right for the sports vertical, basically

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the sports business vertical. So sports business can be different

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things to different people. I mean, the first really well

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known athlete I interviewed there, but that was in May,

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or like June of twenty eighteen, right after I started

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there interview Johnny Bench and he was doing it must

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have been in May, because you maybe in April. You

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may remember this about five six years ago, Major League

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Baseball decided that everybody was going to have everybody's gonna

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play Opening Day on the same day, so all thirty

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teams were playing. So Kingsford Charcoal had this commercial with

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a couple of different players, but I remember the one

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that I saw, I had seen a couple of times

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was Johnny Bench was like literally sitting at desk cold

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calling baseball fans won by but like, hey, you're gonna

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be there there, Hey, I'll see you there. You know

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you're gonna be there. I thought it was funny because

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I was in sales, and you know, I pitched stocks

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and currencies, and I smiled and dialed you know, way

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too long, and I just kind of like two and

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two connected. I thought, well, if I could search online

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for these sometimes you look at like business Wire, there's

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of an article. I knew that much, and I figured

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if I could find out who the pr person the

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publist publicists on this campaign is, and I stock him

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a little bit. Maybe, you know, i'd get an interview

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with Johnny Bench and I found the person and just

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kind of pitched him on a Friday and her back

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on a Monday, and they said, yeah, you know, we'll

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Johnny Bench on the phone. And you know, i'd be

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great if you mentioned the sponsor. You don't have to

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talk about how great Kingsford charcoal is. But he'll probably

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all want to talk to you about barbecue because he's

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that He's that guy. So that's kind of the blueprint

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for business sports business, and you know, Tom Brady started

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its brand, so it's kind of same, kind of a reverse.

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I got an email probably even like December. You know

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a lot of a lot of times it's like, oh,

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here's a press release. We know you're going to want

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to write about this, Go write an article. And it's

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kind of every once while I'm a wise guy and

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me Tom Brady on the phone for ten minutes, I'll

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be glad to write an article about this. And a

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lot of times the response, you know, I never hear anything.

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I just assumed I wouldn't. Then like four days later,

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publicist comes back and he's like, yeah, we can get

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phone with Tom Brady, and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got to ask the question, were you

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really wearing Philadelphia Eagles?

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maybe it's because he's way more famous than you know,

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he's too famous for me to see what he looks

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like coming you know, weren' a sweatshirt on a but

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that's what they did to me. So I was like, oh,

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can you see me? And he's like no, but I

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can hear you. And it's like, oh, well, it's too

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bad because I got you know, my my Nick Foles

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jersey on and my in and he laughed or pretended

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to laugh and was, you know, gracious about it. And

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he's like, why are you doing this to me? Man?

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And so I did say, like, don't hang up. I

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think I'm an Eagles fan for Philadelphia, but you know,

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his brand is all about apparel, So of course, like

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either he's trying to be a designer or what I

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figure was I'm gonna ask hibout this, like, oh, you're

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starting this brand with you hire a designer, you got

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business people behind you, Like, I'm assuming you have to

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be coachable like you were when you started Bill Belichick.

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Tell me about is that true or whatever? And he

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my brand. And obviously he has a style that you know,

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he's I don't know, he's probably made a hundred million

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dollars plus and he can afford whatever pairs of shoes

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he wants or whatever. But he wanted to kind of

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do two things which I thought was cool. He wanted

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like his brand is like like I'm Onrea kind of

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a plain gap shirt right now, but you know his

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shirts and I guess his apparel is like kind of

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plane and earth tones. And the other really cool part

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is like instead of getting Gronk to pitch his stuff,

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he's got most If you look at the website for

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Brady Man, it's mostly college athletes. It might be all

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college athletes. A lot of are from the university mission

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of course, but it's like the star quarterback whose name

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a swimmer like he could he could obviously go out

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and get I don't know Kevin Durant to like pitch

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his stuff, but he picked college guys and men and

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women and just kind of people that he wanted to

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kind of bring it back down to earth. And I

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thought that was cool, and that was sort of the

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approaches his brand. And everybody's different, Like so I get

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to talk to all these great athletes about what are

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you doing? And you know, I talked to Lindsay Vonn

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I get to talk about the sports too. I never

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do with Jim Gray and be like, well told me

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about the time you missed the past and Barister team

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because I'm not that kind of person, but I just

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want to talk to them about the nuts and bolts,

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know that you are investing in real estate or you

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got this fashion brand, and you know, I think it

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disarms them because I mean, we journalists can you know,

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we got a bad reputation in general, just do what

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we do. You can be that person that nois the

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heck out of somebody. But I think if you talk

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to people like people talk about what they're doing, you know,

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you get a good response and you get some gifts

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in the conversation that make for good writing and you

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know everything else.

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Speaker 1: So kind of a touch base on the book. You

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know that your main character starts off kind of Wall

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Street type of the first who ends up leaving that

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and going to own a record store that she's inherited.

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What inspired you to start with this process? That the

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was that the seed or was it something else and

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that came along later?

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Speaker 3: I think the only seed was originally I just had

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this idea about five years ago that I think I

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was listening to my Spotify playlist of the nineties playlist

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and I just had a recurring thought there was like, oh,

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it'll be cool to go back to the nineties, like

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if you could time travel to see the show, you know,

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like talk about our wishless concerts or sporting events that

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I'd love to go back and see that a second time.

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And I just as a writer, some of us writers

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do this thing where we come up with We come

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up with great ideas all the time, sometimes in the

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middle of the night. We had a couple of beersier

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at the bar and you have a bar napkin. It's

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sort of the stereotypical thing like, oh, I write the

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you know, the idea that founded Microsoft on a bar

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napkin like that, that's the story. But you got to

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test yourself and realize if you come with a great idea,

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like do you care about it in two weeks? And

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I kind of tested myself out that that way, and

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just I still cared about I thought, you know, I

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don't know how to write a book, but I want

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to try the plot. I had the plot and probably

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an idea some characters, and then like literally what Darby,

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the main character in my days in the nineties comes

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is a little bit some of it from my experience

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from bounce around different jobs and then ending up really

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doing what I want to do or what I was

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supposed to do no longer in sales. I don't work

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for a corporation anymore. So some of that informs the character.

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But I really had to, like I mean, it's that

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the end product of the books is completely different from

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the first draft. Like I didn't know what I was

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doing when I first started writing it. I had to

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tweaked some things how to make more readable and shorten

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it a lot, and then I hired an editor who

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told me to change it from first person to third person,

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and you know, a lot of those things just kind

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of evolved. So when you are kind of figuring out

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what the heck you're supposed to do and you want

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to put this theme in you create some dialogue, You're like, oh,

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this idea would be cool, But what if I did

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this and you make discoveries? So that was really like

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I could go through all of it, but that I

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just kind of made a lot of discoveries and kind

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of it took place in Chicago, so I know Chicago

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and know the music scene, know this seeming just kind

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of played with a lot and made it work.

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Speaker 1: So there are tons of nineties references throughout, mostly music.

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You got a few sports touch on sports, just a

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bit here and there. I mean, you get what you

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would expect. You get some Nirvana references, some Stone Table Pilots. Yeah,

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which and we just we just got finished covering Stone

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Tiple Pilot's Core versus Alison Chain's Dirt as to which

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to which of those two albums was the best. And

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so it's kind of neat knowing that both of those

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guys not too terribly long after ninety six were gone.

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And so you know, the idea that you could go

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back and listen to Alison Chain's play with Lane Staley singing,

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or with you know, stp with Scott Wiland singing, that's

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an intriguing thought. I would want to go do that.

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Your character's got a band that she when she begins

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her journey, she wants to go check them out to

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kind of see why they never became with what she

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thought they should be called Dreaded Letters. Yeah, so I

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know that's not a real band, but did you is

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there a band that you can think of from that

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time period where you were, like, man, I thought these

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guys were going to be huge and then kind of

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nothing happened.

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Speaker 3: Well actually, so it's like correction. Darby is like when

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she she she you see her in the beginning, she

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kind of like in the first chapter, she's in this

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record store this year inherited from her uncle Martin. Her

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life in New York fell apart, you know, like her

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she made a couple of bad crypto trades and her

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broke up with her fiance. So now she's running this

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record store, kind of getting a taste of like being

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back in Chicago. And actually Dreaded Letters is a band

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that you know, she saw him once when they were

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nobody's and now they're one of the biggest bands of

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all time, So I kind of, I mean stylistically, I

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just thought of, like, so one of the bands that

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maybe is close to them is Slater Kenny. Slater Kenny's

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not super famous or but like they're just a riot

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fester in Chicago, and I'm glad that they can open

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up a show. You sell tickets in the ticket they're

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gone in twenty minutes. And it could be because Carrie

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was on Portlandia for all those years and a lot

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of people know one of the members of the band

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from that. But I kind of combined that with like

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I think about I like, I have a sort of

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an interest in rock trios, like the Jimmy Hendrick experience

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and the Police, you know, kind of like the in

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the Holy Triumphant Rush. I'm not a huge Rush fan,

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but there's this dynamic that trios have that I think

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a lot of other bands don't have, and it just

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other than Green Day, there weren't and maybe the presence

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there weren't really too many there were. Strangely, there are

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a lot more four and five person bands and maybe

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doesn't get down to that, but yeah, I just kind

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of wanted to eventually I created the band. I think

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I had hired an editor to kind of work with

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me on some things, and at first she kind of

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pushed like, well, she's gone back in time and she's

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gonna like it's the real reason that she wants to

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go discover like you know A does she played the

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lottery and when the Jackpotter does, she discovered the band,

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And yeah, I wanted to have some of that in there,

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but not really have it be about the band. That

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Darby's journey is really personal, so that when it's kind

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of staple to that when she goes back into the

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mid nineties, like, yeah, she's not trying to prevent nine

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to eleven from happening, or she's not feeling like she

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goes needs to go back further to kill Hitler or anything.

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and movies, and that there's this big giant thing that

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they have to solve or prevent. And I guess I

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wanted to take it a different way, like I just

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wanted to be like, maybe it's a generational thing. Like

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I think of movies like that we love from the nineties,

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like Days and Confused and pulp fiction where you just

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hang out for the hangout for a day with the characters.

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Both those movies take place over the span of twenty

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four hours, and my book does not what I wanted

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to say. I knew that one of the things I want

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to do was the same dynamic, like there's these characters,

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they're really cool, they're doing cool stuff, and you just

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want to hang out with them. And I thought, you know,

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I want to see if I could pull this off

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in writing a book that you feel like you're tagging along.

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You guys can tell me whether it worked or not,

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you know, I think that that was something that I

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hadn't seen in books before, and I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Just test it out.

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Speaker 3: So so yeah, there's kind of like jEdit LETTERDS is

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the band that she goes back to see. She kind

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of thinks it's all about that, but it's not really

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about that. That's it's an important like part of her

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being a music fan, but there's a lot more her

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life and you know what she's looking for than that.

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Speaker 1: We talk about those things from our past, but we

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do it. We do it because we kind of enjoy

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the idea of living back in that time. I'm going

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to quote your own book to you. Forgive me for

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doing this, but you say, when she's kind of reached

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what we think might be the end of her journey,

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she had started off with this list, you know, like

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The Dreaded Letters was on the list, Lena was on

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the list. You know that she's got these objectives, and

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then once she's there, that's not what happens, Like that's

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my expectation. And then, like you said, you decided to

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let her sit in a space and live with her

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in that space. And so it says the only thing

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that mattered for Darby was talking about more meaningless, stupid

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things with her best friend again, and that meant everything,

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and that kind of hit me. I was just like, Okay,

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so this is really what it's all about. It's like

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what we do We talk about stupid, meaningless you know,

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movies that we loved and music that we loved. But

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it's because it takes us back. And with a lot

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of our listeners, they've got kids who are you know,

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like a spacey kid who's maybe just learning about this stuff,

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but they get to live in that experience with them.

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I'll tell you in nineteen ninety six, I went to

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Europe and I flew into Amsterdam and the whole coffee

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shop story that I've got to I've got too. So

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when you got to that part of the book, I

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was like, oh wow, this is I mean, this has

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hit me on all kinds of all kinds of levels.

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But it's it is really that what we probably loved

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about that time period was not necessarily the pop culture

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stuff that we talked about. It was experiencing that with

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our best friends and going through the friends.

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Speaker 3: Are you guys both Oklahoma Sooners fans like diehards or what? Yeah,

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I'm a diet I mean, they could suck for a

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decade and you're still going to go to the games.

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You're still going to like if you have kids, you're

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gonna kind of bring them along and have them feel

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the experience, and it doesn't really have to do with

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who's coaching or who's who's playing. Like, you know, historically

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the Cubs suck and we've had some good stints here.

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But you know, my kid grew up knowing that he

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dislikes the White Sox and he likes the Cubs, even

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if he doesn't know, you know, who's starting tonight on

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the mountain. So I think, you know, music in sports

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and all those things, like we all kind of latch

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on the things that we love, and some of it

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is about what goes on in the you know, whether

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it's following a sports team or following a band or

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a scene. But a lot of it's just the experience.

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And you know, you know Amsterdam was I don't know,

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I think that was like we were the first generation

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that did that. Like we got five hundred bucks in

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our pocket, We got a little time, like we got

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these we have a job, but we know our job

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is not going to be your career. So I'm like,

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why not plan Sometimes you just go walk around Europe

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and see something different and end up on the other

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side of the ocean. Your your culture shocked when there's

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not skyscrapers everywhere, and people are speaking a different language

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and it's different than how you expected, and there's no

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strip malls, and it's just like, you know, I try

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to tell my kid, my kids sixteen, I try to

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tell him about that. He's been to Europe a couple

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of times, just you know, with us, and I think

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he appreciates other culture. But I don't know if he

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gets that culture shock that we got. Like I remember,

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like as a kid, going to the inner city as

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we called it, you know, from the sub Phillies Philly

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suburbs to the city and just being like shock that

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like wow, you know, smells different, looks different. The street

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food that they have street food here that I can't

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get in my little suburb. Yeah, I just you know,

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maybe I'm just a generational thing, just kind of fascinated

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with like little experiences, and yeah, it sounds like something

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that came through. So I'm glad. I'm glad you guys

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enjoyed or picked up on some of that.

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Speaker 1: So I meant to. I meant to actually asked this

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when we started. So nineteen ninety six, which is when

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or when Garby goes back to time? That's what. Oh,

477
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,160
by the way, I noticed that her first concert was

478
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,480
Huey Lewis. Yeah, who of course had the song back

479
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,640
in time. I don't know if that was purpose or not,

480
00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:12,960
but good job. And and so in nineteen ninety six,

481
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,799
I was actually playing in a band. I had started

482
00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:18,839
playing shows at you know, bars and stuff like that,

483
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,160
and then went to Europe. What were you doing in

484
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,559
ninety six? I got married in ninety six. Oh wow, yeah,

485
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,359
you're so old, but you know you got married.

486
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm married, Yes to my wife Kelly.

487
00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:32,839
Speaker 3: Did you know very well?

488
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,519
Speaker 1: My gosh.

489
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,839
Speaker 2: But so we pop out in September of ninety six,

490
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:37,960
I think right around there.

491
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: I got married in.

492
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,799
Speaker 2: August ninety six. So I was telling d I can't

493
00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:44,160
remember five things that happened in twenty sixteen, but when

494
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,680
you drop me off in ninety.

495
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 3: Six, okay, it's very vivid.

496
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: In my imagination and what's going on in the world.

497
00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:54,480
So I had a great time revisiting ninety six. And

498
00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:56,920
I'll just touch on something you said earlier, the person

499
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,279
that I want to hang out with the most is

500
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,440
Darby one.

501
00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:04,039
Speaker 3: But Rachel, oh yeah, well you triw a picture that

502
00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:07,559
she's she looks like a Jessica Chastain in a leather

503
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,759
jacket maybe, but yeah, yeah, Like that was another like

504
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,000
a couple of characters like her in space. He actually

505
00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:16,759
kind of popped up later when I'm thinking, like I've

506
00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:19,960
gotta my editor that I kind of said, you gotta,

507
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,079
you gotta set some limits and put some guardrails up here,

508
00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:24,559
like well, the first thing was if she could just

509
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,359
come and go as she wants back in time, like

510
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,400
that's not gonna work, Like you need to have a timer,

511
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,160
or like you think about movies where there's a heist

512
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,240
or like a bomb's gonna blow up, like the hero

513
00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:35,799
doesn't just think, oh, well, I got, you know, a

514
00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:38,200
couple of weeks to disview as his bomb, because otherwise

515
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,279
that movie wouldn't work. So we did that and I

516
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,200
changed that. But I also, you know a lot of

517
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,920
obviously you could tell a lot of this is about

518
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,079
grunge and Indian alternative music, and you know, I suppose

519
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,079
if you love Celine Dion or Phil Collins nineteen nineties movies.

520
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,720
You know, hits, you're probably gonna be angry our characters

521
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,000
and narrator rip on that stuff, and even depeche Mode

522
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,000
a little bit that there's a little something in there

523
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,319
for everybody. And I wanted Darby's kind of music snobbishness,

524
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,240
which I have a little bit of that going on.

525
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,839
I mean, maybe you guys too. I wanted that to

526
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,039
be tested that she likes this girl named Rachel who's

527
00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:13,400
a metal head, and like, how could you like hair

528
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,519
metal in the mid nineties? What's what's she does? Like

529
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,440
some cool stuff like Motorhead and tool and stuff like that.

530
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,160
But you know that that kind of pushes her buttons

531
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,599
a little bit because I remember when I was in

532
00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:27,359
you know, twelfth grade or freshman year in college, like

533
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,920
I could have liked this girl, but if she was

534
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,720
into like radio pop, I just would have had no

535
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,240
interest because I can't really communicate. And you realize those

536
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,519
things don't matter when you grow up. But maybe that

537
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,000
was a nineties thing that you know, you know, oh,

538
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:42,039
you like you like country, Well, I'm into I'm into

539
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:44,079
the Ramones. We can't we can't hang out like that

540
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,319
was actually, you know, in the late eighties early nineties

541
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,640
when I was in you know, my twenties, and I

542
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,880
don't know, that's something a theme I wanted to play with.

543
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,640
That was fun to find a character who is like

544
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,240
I basically made her game to play that.

545
00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 1: So I will say this you so you've got listeners.

546
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,960
Check out the playlist on Spotify. He's got a playlist

547
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,160
that's called ninety Days in the Nineties as well that

548
00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:12,480
is full, chocked full of nineties music that is in

549
00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:15,559
the underground what I would expect from the book, but

550
00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:18,039
then thrown in the middle of it, I'm I see

551
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:20,359
TLC and I'm pretty and I'm like, what what? How

552
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,960
did how did this radio pop jam fall it? Yeah,

553
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,559
it's mixed. So tell me about what were you What

554
00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:28,839
were you listening to in ninety six yourself?

555
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,799
Speaker 3: So ninety six, I was twenty four, so this was

556
00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:35,079
you know, I'll throw some other contacts context and this

557
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,880
is you know, I remember that. So I'll just say,

558
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,400
like in the summer, I want to say, July August

559
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,880
ninety six, I come home my roommates like we got

560
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,839
Tennis Robman today. I'm like, yeah, I know, I heard

561
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,079
of the radio, Like this is the second run of

562
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,519
the Bulls. Like literally, we actually would go to the

563
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:55,720
bar twice a week. Bar is silent while the game's on,

564
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:58,839
bowls down fifteen with two minutes to go, and we

565
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,119
know they're going to win. But I also had to

566
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,799
slip at some concerts too, like I would go to

567
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:05,200
Loungejacks when I could afford a fifteen dollars ticket to

568
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,799
see bands, Like a lot of it was like testing

569
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:09,960
the waters, Like I saw bands that I don't I'm

570
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,160
not super into now, like Chavez and Pavement and Elastica,

571
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,319
But like I kind of stuck with the ones that

572
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:18,599
I'm a huge Anglo file. So if you see the

573
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,640
other part of my room, you would see a Stone

574
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,640
Roses poster. I've got some like I love the Verb

575
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,680
and Oasis, and I like old British music too, like

576
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,119
The Who. So I think I was probably still stuck

577
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,359
in that. I probably of the grunge set. Allison Changes

578
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,559
my favorite, just because I think Lane Stale is just

579
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:39,480
such an amazing underrated singer. But the cool part about

580
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,480
the nineteen nineties and ninety six was, like, you know,

581
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:44,480
it was so much different than nineteen eighty eight, Like

582
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:46,400
in nineteen eighty eight, you turn the radio and to

583
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,119
be like Debbie Gibson and you know, just like pop

584
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,400
and Boys the Man, and occasionally if you got to

585
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,279
the right radio station, you might hear Pixie Song, you

586
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,880
might hear The Cure. And I was like, oh, oh,

587
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,519
this is like the music I like. In nineteen ninety six.

588
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:01,799
It was all you know, Oasis, Garbage, the Pixies, the Breeders,

589
00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,240
Like there was never music that didn't appeal to me,

590
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,119
or that was uncreative or people in the band didn't

591
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,839
play the instruments. So there was so much there that

592
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,039
I felt like I was it was like a fire hose.

593
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:14,200
I was trying to consume and just be you know,

594
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,960
conscious of like, wow, it was another great song by

595
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,599
a band I never heard of that, you know, maybe

596
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,440
puts out two or three. So yeah, I mean pretty

597
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,880
much like the English music that I was always into.

598
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,880
I love Ned's Atomic Dust bind They kind of didn't

599
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,000
really do much after ninety four, but I saw them

600
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,519
when I first came to Chicago, and then like I

601
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:33,319
was just almost you know, it was it was a

602
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,839
great time to be open minded and consume different types

603
00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:39,279
of music that I wasn't a diehard super fan of

604
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,240
only a genre like I have my friends who were

605
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,000
all into grunge, and then my friends who were into

606
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,680
New Order and kind of alternative dance music. I wasn't that.

607
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,000
I was kind of like, give me it a little

608
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000
bit of everything, because I'm you know, dub reggae or

609
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,640
non grunge, you know, metal metal influenced rock. I was

610
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,279
into all of it. So I must have a lot

611
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,119
more bandwidth than I have now because I feel like

612
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,440
my brain shrinking in my fifties here. But the music

613
00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,200
kind of is like a take, like taking vitamins every

614
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,240
day kind of keeps your brain working, keeps you alive.

615
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,079
So there's a long answer right there. But there was

616
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,359
so much to enjoy that I'm not sure that I

617
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,000
could pinpoint like one band or one sub genre.

618
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: Really, so we're talking to books, we might as well

619
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,000
talk books too. You mentioned Jimmingway, you mentioned T. S

620
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,680
Elliott in there. Who's who's your inspiration or who do

621
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,200
you want to emulate when you're writing at this point

622
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:45,960
of the authors that you've read.

623
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a couple obsolutely. I mean people talk about

624
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,440
Nick Hornby when they hear about Molley book is about

625
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,519
and I know Hyphadeli was a great book. You know,

626
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,759
the movie was shot here in Chicago. It takes place Chicago,

627
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:58,559
even though the book, the story of the book was

628
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,400
in London. And as you probably know, Hulu did a

629
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,960
series with Zoe Kravitz where it takes place in Brooklyn,

630
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,160
appropriately for the two thousands. So Nick Hornby's books are great.

631
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,359
I love Fever Pitch for I'm a huge English football

632
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,480
fan soccer fan, but I love like a couple things

633
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,799
like George Plimpton. Yeah, he's like obviously an upper class

634
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,160
person who tried to I think his struggle was to

635
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,480
associate with the common man, so to speak. Put out

636
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:24,359
a book called Paper Lion, where he kind of just

637
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,079
did what Eli Manning just did, like he showed up

638
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,160
to Detroit Lyons. I guess training camp at night sixty

639
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,920
eight is like a third string quarterback, and he was.

640
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:34,720
I think up to that point they had let him

641
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,319
play it in a preseason game and he was the

642
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,880
only quarterback to successively lose yardage in every play that

643
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,880
he played. I think that book's hard to fight. I

644
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,079
think it's hard to find out. I don't think it's

645
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:47,200
out of Prince called Paper Lion He's got a book

646
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,079
called The X Factor where he talks he hangs out

647
00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:51,920
with the Bush family in Texas, and they're like the

648
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,359
Bush Family, like George W. And George Sr. And Neil

649
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,000
like and the and the daughters, Like they play horseshoes

650
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:01,720
when they're a vacase and they're super competitive about it,

651
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:05,000
like it's a bragging, right thing. So those two writers

652
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,799
are the main thing. But you know, I grew up

653
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:12,279
loving I like to read sports articles in nonsports publications

654
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,319
like The New York Times. Saturday always had great quirky articles.

655
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,480
My favorite broadcaster of all time was Dick Shapp because

656
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,440
he's like conversational like normal people are. So there's a

657
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,279
lot of influences that way. I'm not like, you know,

658
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,279
eighteen year old Stephen King, where I could say that

659
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:30,240
I read eight thousand books growing up and that's why

660
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:32,279
I'm a writer, like I actually probably didn't, probably haven't

661
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:34,240
read as much as I would like to think that

662
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:37,400
I could have. But yeah, those writers, and then also

663
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,359
Michael Schaibon I kind of first got took turned onto

664
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:43,920
his movies. I think the movie called The Wonder Boys.

665
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880
It's hilarious, So I went and read his books after that. Yeah,

666
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,119
hornby Michael Sabon George Plimpton. I think because those people

667
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,039
do great dialogue, they talk about nuts and bolts, things

668
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:57,240
like sports and music, and they keep a conversational I

669
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,359
think all that has kind of driven me to right

670
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,720
the way right, and I hope i'm you know, in

671
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,400
the ballpark, but who knows.

672
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,119
Speaker 1: I remember George Plumpton as the guy who would introduce

673
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,359
the cartoons on the Disney Channel. Yeah, and they were

674
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:13,839
having the masterpiece theater style of cartoons. Later did I

675
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,799
find out? Because he did it with like several different

676
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:19,279
like he did open net and like he would just

677
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,000
do that. He just this every man, not particularly as

678
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,279
the athletic guy, that would get on with these sports teams.

679
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:28,200
And I just thought that was the coolest idea I've

680
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:28,680
ever heard.

681
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:31,759
Speaker 2: Tim Carver did a show on HBO a long time

682
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:36,079
ago that talked about the George Plumpton story. I remember

683
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,640
as a kid watching that, just fascinated that there's this

684
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:42,119
writer willing to play football just to see what it

685
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,480
was like.

686
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: You know.

687
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have thought that, I like, because he's

688
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:46,519
kind of like the guy. I would have thought that

689
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,799
he would be a fearful of getting injured. But I

690
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,240
think in that time, like maybe in the sixteen seventies,

691
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,480
Like again, I haven't read all their books, but like

692
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:55,119
one of my favorite movies from the eighties is The

693
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,599
Right Stuff, and Tom Wolfe wrote that I think he

694
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,599
did as a series for Rolling Stone or something, but

695
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:01,559
he basically like, I want to interview these guys to

696
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:03,640
find out why they're willing to put themselves in danger

697
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,039
for this dubious thing, which now we look at astronauts

698
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,000
and we think it's like got to be the best job.

699
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,519
But in the sixties, when they didn't know whether the

700
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,319
rocket was going to blow up, like that was kind

701
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:14,799
of a risky thing. So I think it created a

702
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,279
whole new they call it new journalism, where a bunch

703
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:20,200
of authors would write, you know, mostly real life stories

704
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:22,119
but kind of add a little style to it, and

705
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,640
you know, take some liberties with the way that people,

706
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,960
real people were depicted to characters in terms of the

707
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,079
bravado or the way that they cast themselves. And I

708
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,640
think that that's we don't even think about that today.

709
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,359
We know that like maybe you know, Shack on the

710
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,799
TV commercials is different than Shaq in the locker room

711
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,680
and shack hanging out with his kids, and we're okay

712
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,200
with those different depictions of a person that we consider

713
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:48,480
like one person. But yeah, I think, you know, those

714
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:51,480
a lot of the writers from the the latter couple

715
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,039
decades of the twentieth century of influence me as a

716
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:56,480
writer and just sort of the way we think.

717
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: So Jason pose his question as we were going through

718
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,759
the book. He was like, you know, what, what sporting

719
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,480
events would you go back to? What concerts would you

720
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,519
go back to? And I'm not I'm not as big

721
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,240
of a sports guy, but concert wise have already kind

722
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:22,799
of touched on it.

723
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:23,079
Speaker 3: You know.

724
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: I'd love to see the guys who we've lost before

725
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,920
we lost him, when they were kind of their peak,

726
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,119
and I would love to do it in like small venue.

727
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,720
I remember that I would hear that Pearl Jam would

728
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,880
show up at some you know, small club and just unannounced,

729
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,759
just come on stage and start playing. And if I

730
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:41,279
could be a part of, you know, part of the

731
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,319
audience for one of those shows, I would definitely do that.

732
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,319
But a small venue on some stuff I would I

733
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,279
would honestly have loved to see and Andrew would play.

734
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,480
I'd be interested to see because he was like, you know,

735
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:55,640
he treated the bars they were playing in like an arena.

736
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,359
So I got to think that would be fun. What

737
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,720
do you what do you got, Jason? What are you thinking?

738
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna do my top five and then

739
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:04,319
Andy will give you a chance to do your top

740
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,680
five musical and sports related, you know, time travel. Okay,

741
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:12,359
all right, So for me, I'm going wide right, I'm

742
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,799
not keeping it just to Chicago. Yeah, yeah, the Beatles

743
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,119
and Shay Stadium for me. Number one Live Aid in

744
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,359
nineteen eighty five, you two doing the Downtown La concert

745
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,200
where they do where the streets have no name with

746
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:28,119
that just kind of impromptu concert in the streets. I

747
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:31,079
think that'd be really cool. To go to the Moscow

748
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,240
Peace Festival in nineteen eighty nine. I'm a big hair

749
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,880
metal guy, man, I'm sorry, I think that'd be a

750
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,119
lot of fun. And then finally, you know, I mean,

751
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,000
Allison Chains with Blaine Staley would be incredible. Seeing Prince

752
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,240
or Michael Jackson, anything like that would be awesome.

753
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: But I saw that.

754
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: Metallica played a concert in Antarctica in twenty thirteen. Really yes,

755
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,960
And I'm like, dude, that would be the bomb.

756
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: Do they play for like the researchers down there or

757
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:03,200
what it's like two hundred people? Yeah? Wow?

758
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: So okay, Andy, we're putting you on the spot man

759
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,320
five dream Time Travel concerts that you would attend, all right.

760
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: So I grew up in the Philadelphia area. I remember

761
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,039
I was thirteen when Live A came on. At the time,

762
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,320
I was really the Judas Priest and there's there's no

763
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,440
way that so I go to concerts with my kid.

764
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:21,079
Now we're going to Dinast for Junior next Friday, and

765
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,679
he's sixteen. There's no way my parents would have driven

766
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,519
downtown for me to see Judas Priests at Live A,

767
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,840
even if the dickets were cheap. So I'm gonna say

768
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,199
uh because I think the stage of the concert I

769
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,599
remember this from TV was like Joan Baiez sings with

770
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,199
Dale guitar, Billy Ocean comes on, and then at noon

771
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,239
it's Judas Priest. I'm like, that doesn't go together, but

772
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,719
that's pretty awo wow. I feel like Rob Halford, you know,

773
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,880
he sometimes will come out with a motorcycle on stage.

774
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,079
I don't remember if he did that. I feel like

775
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:49,559
he brought it out for like one song. It was like,

776
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,440
so that'd be number one. I'm not a fan of

777
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,360
anything having to do with Russia special see Putin, So

778
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,000
I will say, I'm gonna go the Prodigy playing Red

779
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,519
Square and you know, leaving by flipping the bird like

780
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,519
I think they rocked Red Square and then they just

781
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,599
went to go fly back to England to see a

782
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:11,559
west Ham game the next day. Number three, so I

783
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,199
think it was New Year's Day ninety six. Don't quote

784
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:15,360
me on this, I'd have to look it up, but

785
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,480
the House of Blues in Chicago opened up. I think

786
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,519
that was the day. But the first act was James Brown.

787
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,679
So and I heard like basically like you're not going

788
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,480
to get tickets if you're trying to get tickets, like

789
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:28,639
if you're you know, your CEO or your you know,

790
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:31,119
you're Billy Corgan or your Eddie Vedder coming in for

791
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:32,920
the weekend, yeah you might get in. But it was

792
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,599
you know, I'd love to see that House of Blues

793
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,599
is a great acoustics, they're all designed that way. And

794
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,039
to see James Brown while he's alive, you know, in

795
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,039
ninety six doing James Brown would that I'd have to

796
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:48,599
put that. So last two I think the last show

797
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,480
that that before Loungejacks closed, And I mentioned Lounge Jacks

798
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,159
is one of the venues. It might be the first

799
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,760
venue that Darby goes to in ninety days. In the nineties,

800
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,000
it was a great little club. If you watch high Fidelli,

801
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:03,159
they actually go to see Rita salad Lounge Jacks. But

802
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,519
I remember that the Pumpkins played their very the very

803
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,440
last show before the venue shut its doors. So I'm

804
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,199
gonna say that for number four. And you know, Smashing

805
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,800
Pumps was just here a couple of days ago. They

806
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,000
played Metro and like all my radio friends went, so

807
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,400
I'm a little jealous about that. So I guess that's

808
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,360
number four. And uh, I don't know. Since I'm a

809
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,559
British fan, I know that the sound wasn't supposedly great

810
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:27,079
on this, but I go back to I go see

811
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:29,599
the Stone Roses at Spike Island in nineteen ninety. I

812
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:31,639
didn't know about it until afterwards, but you know, I

813
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,320
was a big fan of the band. Big fan of

814
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,599
a band that doesn't play gigs and then gets back

815
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,679
together and plays them only the UK and then breaks

816
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,920
up before I get a chance to see them. Yeah,

817
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,239
I'm gonna go to you know, the Merseyside, England to

818
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,920
see that outdoor gig just to kind of see it.

819
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,679
So those are those would be my five.

820
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: I guess okay, ninety six. I saw Smashing Pumpkins play. Yeah,

821
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,880
I saw in Little Rock, Arkansas, Okay, and had front

822
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,440
I wasn't even a big Pumpkins fan, like I mean,

823
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,599
it was just like, hey guys, we got tickets and

824
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:07,039
we happened to also have front row tickets, Like, okay,

825
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:09,280
we'll go. The girl I went with Billy Corgan took

826
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:15,199
her on stage. I was see you later.

827
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: He did like Bruce Berings seen dancing in the dark

828
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:20,079
thing where he reached out and brings her up on

829
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:21,639
stage like with Courney Boxes.

830
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: Basically exactly like that, like she got a kiss, she

831
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,079
kind of awkwardly danced. It was very very much the

832
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:30,880
yeah and the night was over for you.

833
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so let's go to sports. I love how

834
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,239
your your book really one of the tent pole events

835
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,320
for me anyway, because I didn't grow up in Chicago.

836
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,400
Is the Bulls, Right. Everybody in the world called Michael

837
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,119
Jordan and the Bulls at that time, and so that

838
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,480
cemented that idea of where we are in the story.

839
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:57,840
But I'm gonna get my five and then I give

840
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,679
you five top five time travel sporting events.

841
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

842
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,119
Speaker 2: So Number five for me Kurt Gibson's homer in the

843
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,239
nineteen eighty eight World Series. Not a big Dodgers fan

844
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,719
or even an Oakland AG fan. I just want to

845
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,199
see that event happen, like I think that would be amazing.

846
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:16,440
I'd love to see the ninety two Dream Team play

847
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,800
in Barcelona, the greatest team ever assembled?

848
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Yes?

849
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Number three for me, I want to see Tyson

850
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,800
and Buster Douglas in Tokyo in nineteen ninety. Okay, the

851
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,559
biggest baddest man in the world gets knocked out, biggest

852
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:32,400
upset of all time.

853
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: I will go back to Tyson versus Sphinx, where I

854
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,880
went to go get a coke and some chips and

855
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,599
I missed the fight. I would go back just so

856
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:40,719
I could see that ninety.

857
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: Second five ends or something. Yeah.

858
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,639
Speaker 2: Number two for me Game six of the Mets Red

859
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,320
Sox World Series in nineteen eighty six.

860
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: Wait, witch, Game Game six was that when Bill Buckner

861
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:59,159
like the blog of his legs. Okay, yes, yes, Red

862
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,920
Socks fan obviously at the time.

863
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,159
Speaker 2: I was just kind of a bandwagon New York Mets

864
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:04,920
fan at that moment.

865
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: So uh.

866
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: And then number one, the Miracle on Ice. Come on,

867
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,039
that's number one for me. Okay, Andy Fry, you're on

868
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,119
the hot seat. Top five sporting events.

869
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: Well, because I couldn't get tickets the whole three plus

870
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,199
years and Jordan was back with Bulls, I'm gonna say

871
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:24,159
any of the any of the NBA Final games, uh,

872
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,199
from ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight. I mean probably,

873
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,199
like I you know, i'd have to go to Utah

874
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,000
unfortunately to see it, but to see Jordan, you know,

875
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:35,119
dash one way and dust Brian Russell and put it

876
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,639
back up and actually right behind me, I've got the

877
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:41,159
the shot is right there over my shoulder where yeah,

878
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,679
when you look at the crowd, there's all these Utah

879
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,039
Jazz fans were like no, No. One kid who was

880
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,039
a Bulls fan apparently in the in the background going

881
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:53,119
like yeah, oh my god. You know, so like Jordan's

882
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,960
making a shot and and Brian Russell's like over here

883
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,119
halfway on the floor. So that would probably, I guess

884
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:03,360
I'd just say that number two. I'd say, probably like that, uh,

885
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:05,840
not the Harp on the Bulls, But I want to

886
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,159
say it's the nineteen eighty five the slam Dunk contest,

887
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:12,800
the one, the first one where Jordan really like cleaned up,

888
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:17,559
you know, I think, uh that post now, I think

889
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:19,480
it's that that's the one was him and Dominique Wilkins.

890
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,079
If I could have the year wrong, but yeah, let's

891
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,639
say just the Jordan versus Wilkins, and Jordan wins the contest,

892
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,800
even though it's not like official sanctioned thing. Uh. Probably

893
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,039
the other three, like, uh, you know that Alabama Auburn

894
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,800
game a couple of years ago where Auburn caught the

895
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,440
field goal that didn't become a field goal and ran

896
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,639
it back and scored a touchdown. Awesome. Yes, and I'm

897
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:45,039
not even a huge college football fan, but I'll say

898
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,920
for the fourth one, most of my family's Ohio State fans.

899
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,119
And I loved the first year the BCS playoffs, seeing

900
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:55,599
I think it was new was it a New Year's Eve?

901
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:57,280
I feel like my family all went to bed and

902
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:01,719
I watched Ohio State bludgeon Alabama on national TV and

903
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,400
then keep they kept it. There's a couple of pick

904
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,320
sixes and they just completely distroyed and embarrassed Alabama the

905
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,559
first time out. I'd be I mean, you know, o,

906
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,039
Higo States fans are pretty obnoxious and maybe even more

907
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:16,719
so than than Alabama fans could be. But that just

908
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,280
had to be, you know, something to see. So yeah,

909
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,760
I probably go with that one. And out of the

910
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:28,480
fifth one, I don't know, like, uh, throw a wild

911
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,400
card in there. I don't dislike Ronda Rowsey, but I

912
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,360
would like to see Holly Holm knock her out just

913
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,599
because it was so unexpected and it's kind of like

914
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:40,000
health rows over, you know, and sort of skill and

915
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,920
sort of the traditional side of that sport. Trump to

916
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,039
the bullet that's pretty much the same thing as Buster

917
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,639
doug Well, it's in this in the same ballpark as

918
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:52,519
Buster Douglas knocking out Tyson Orlanic Lewis knockout Tyson. Like

919
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,199
the big behemoth that was supposed to level the field

920
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,960
got clocked. And yeah, I don't I don't uh dislike

921
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,719
rod to Rousey, but that was you know, Yeah, let's

922
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,400
throw some of the best women fighters in there for

923
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,000
the top of the list. I'll go with that one.

924
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, Okay, So we're more eighty centric, but we

925
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,639
definitely have fallen back into the seventies and dipped heavily

926
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:20,159
into the nineties as well, And so we want to

927
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:22,440
know your opinion on some of the nineties things, nineties

928
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,440
movies and music that ever. Give us your We're going

929
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,400
to give you matchups. You tell us which one you pick,

930
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:29,480
and if you feel like, if you feel like you

931
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:31,719
need to explain your choice, feel free to explain it.

932
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: To Okay, this is a little bit of a lightning

933
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,840
round that if you want to expand on this, you

934
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,760
feel free go for it, all right. So earlier this

935
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,199
year we did Goodfellas versus The Godfather.

936
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,119
Speaker 3: The Godfather is sort of the archetype of the perfect movie,

937
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:47,719
but I enjoyed Goodfellas more. Okay, So like the first

938
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,280
time I saw it, actually it was probably like ninety six,

939
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,880
and my roommate at the time was a film school grad.

940
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,400
He actually is the model for the character in my

941
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,599
book named Rod James Bottoms Assess seven. I think it's like,

942
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,039
I was, yeah, I've never seen Good fellow It's like, what, Okay,

943
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,480
we're gonna watch it right now. Watch you watch it

944
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,159
right now? And it was like a I don't know.

945
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:09,840
It was just like a Sunday afternoon. Yeah, it was

946
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,360
worth it to just stop what I was doing to

947
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,239
watch Good Fellows. I'm gonna say that one.

948
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:16,199
Speaker 1: Is your buddy short. Oh yeah, and did he date

949
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,239
super Modeled a.

950
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,599
Speaker 3: Couple of times? Yeah, hits some. He's some tall, glamorous

951
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,840
women that he needed. I mean, all those are exaggerations,

952
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,960
which is what you do in fiction. But yeah, there's

953
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,119
a there's a five story where he hung out with

954
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:30,239
Wesley Snipes one night in Chicago when he was in

955
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,079
town for for Blade to promoting Blade two and like

956
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:36,039
ninety eight or something, and all kinds of great stories

957
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:39,559
about like how weird Wesley Snipes is. And I go

958
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:42,119
on doing on a doing different episode than that. I

959
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,880
can even talking about that online. But uh, yeah, Wesley

960
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,519
Snipes is apparently a he's uh he thinks he knows

961
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:52,440
how to do kung fu and whatever, so r.

962
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: Like, but he hits like.

963
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,639
Speaker 3: Always been on black back for a while.

964
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,519
Speaker 2: All right, here you go, this is a few your episode.

965
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:02,960
We're hoping to do collective soul versus live.

966
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:06,639
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't dislike collective soul. I know a lot

967
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:10,280
of people think they're like post grunge, or there's I've

968
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,840
heard a lot of people kind of level criticism is like, oh,

969
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,760
there's radio band kind of grunge you want to be.

970
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:16,719
I think they're just regular dudes who put out an

971
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,159
album or two. And but I don't know. I mean,

972
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,960
I really like mental jewelry. I got this conversation with

973
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,039
somebody a couple of days ago. The first live album

974
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:26,960
that came out when I was maybe a sophomore in college,

975
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,559
which is less grungey. It's more I don't know, it's

976
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:32,880
just unique. And uh, I don't know. So I'm gonna

977
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,679
say probably live because I think that there have a

978
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,840
little bit more musical depth. And yeah, they just I

979
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,920
don't want to say either one is better, but there's

980
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,559
a little bit more of a I'm gonna listen a

981
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:43,840
little closer when I listen to Live.

982
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, here you go comedies Dumb and dumber

983
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,960
versus something about Mary.

984
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, they both grew on me. I mean,

985
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,400
that's kind of a toss up. But I'm gonna say

986
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,119
dumb and dumber is because even though I know that

987
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:02,920
you know the jokes are sophomooric. I can go back

988
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,159
and watch that movie anytime, and it's like still funny.

989
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Caddy Shak versus Happy Gilmore.

990
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 3: I think Caddy Shack just because it's so much more

991
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,239
quotable and classic. But of Adam Sandler movies, Kapy Goimore

992
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,239
is one of the better ones. Is one of the

993
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,280
ones he didn't screw up by being Adam Sandler.

994
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: All right, here you go the use your Illusion guns

995
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,039
and Roses albums versus Telica's Blackoutum.

996
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:28,119
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say use your illusion to primarily, but either

997
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,519
one will do. Yeah, okay, the Roses fan. I just

998
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:34,480
watched the Metallica you know, like my cable provider I

999
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,760
think is Xfinity, was like only on this week Metallica

1000
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,280
set at Lollapool Lose And I don't tend to be

1001
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,440
interested in Lollapo because it's more of a popfest now,

1002
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,480
but it came out. I'm like, yeah, I'm watching this

1003
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:46,000
and it was, you know, it was like an hour

1004
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,000
of Metallica just being Metallica. And the cool part was

1005
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:50,400
like you could see the fans and like all the

1006
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,559
metal heads who came there just for that were up front.

1007
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,199
There's no oh my god, I think I like Metallica

1008
00:45:56,519 --> 00:45:59,480
because like there's dudes, so you could tell, like have

1009
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,599
the next he's been following them for decades. We're at

1010
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:04,920
upfront for that show, so it was a real deal.

1011
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,039
I can't disparage either one of those bands, but I

1012
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,519
just lean more guns than Roses because I like them better.

1013
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:12,599
Speaker 1: So okay, all right.

1014
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: Allison Chain's Dirt Album versus Stone Tumble Pilot's Core both

1015
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,760
really same Day ninety two.

1016
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:20,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, they's not my favorite album, although it was a

1017
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,239
pretty solid one, but like Alison Chain's better than STP.

1018
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,079
I don't dislike SDP, but yeah, I'm gonna go with

1019
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:27,360
Alison Chains always.

1020
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,599
Speaker 1: Okay. Cool.

1021
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,119
Speaker 2: Last one, Pearl Jam's ten album versus Nirvana's never Mind kind.

1022
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 3: Of depends on what mood I'm in. Like I've got

1023
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,119
tons of super like Pearl Jam people who like all

1024
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:42,280
their golf clubs have like a Pearl Jam, you know,

1025
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,199
like a you know, the things you put on your

1026
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:48,239
golf clubs. Keeping Like I've got those friends who are

1027
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,719
just you know, like they've been to fifty concerts, so

1028
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,840
I appreciate them, but I think, yeah, I've it took

1029
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,760
me a while to if you ask me in nineteen

1030
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,119
ninety nine. Let's say, like, do you really like never Mind?

1031
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,760
Be like, yeah, it's it's good. It's really grown on me.

1032
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,199
And I'm not like a depressive sad person ever. I

1033
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,960
have a pretty good life. Because I want to put

1034
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,320
on never Mind just kind of feel it what Kirk

1035
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,360
Comaine was feeling and talking about. I think, in retrospect

1036
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:19,880
the emotions of his lyrics, and I mean, the musicianship

1037
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,239
is great but simple, and I just think that now

1038
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,400
more than ever, that you realize how much how good

1039
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,119
that album is. Never Mind is and program is great

1040
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:30,280
to attend. But I didn't get it back then when

1041
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,360
it came out, but I get it now that never

1042
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,559
Mind is just such a great album.

1043
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dive just a bit deeper because this is

1044
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,639
the point of contention between Jason and I. On never

1045
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,920
Mind has a song called Territorial Pissings. I think it's

1046
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,400
punk gold. Jason thinks it's absolute trash. Three thoughts.

1047
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: I think it's punk old. But they have some other

1048
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,360
songs like love Buzz that are better punk punk gold.

1049
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,920
So I think, like my favorite song, but I think

1050
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,400
the best song on never Light as come as you

1051
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,440
are in terms of like a tune lyrically maybe lithium. Yeah,

1052
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,639
it's all subjective, isn't it.

1053
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the things that I

1054
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,480
like best about the book is that you've got guys,

1055
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:14,880
I mean from the outset, even when she's in twenty

1056
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,920
first century, You've got guys in her record store who

1057
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,360
are arguing about the merits of various types of music.

1058
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,880
And it's a conversation that you can have with anybody,

1059
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,639
And as long as you keep it friendly and good nature,

1060
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:29,519
it's a great conversation to have. You know, you can

1061
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,159
act shocked and dismayed, but it's all really just in

1062
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:32,599
good fun.

1063
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

1064
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,679
Speaker 2: D So this week we got a Shirley showcase from

1065
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:39,199
our good friend Amber Lewis of the Docking Base seventy

1066
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,360
seven podcast.

1067
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:44,119
Speaker 1: She's going to talk about Lethal Weapon versus Diehard, which

1068
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:47,760
we covered back Christmas or two ago, and I'm anxious

1069
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,000
to hear what she has to say.

1070
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: First of all, let's just make sure that if she

1071
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,920
says that these are Christmas movies, then we automatically she's like.

1072
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: Best friends with us. Absolutely.

1073
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,639
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear what she has to say.

1074
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,639
Speaker 4: Hello, Shirley fans, This is Amber Lewis frequent guest of

1075
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:05,719
the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast, here to discuss two

1076
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,159
of the greatest Christmas movies of all time. That's right,

1077
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,599
die Hard and Leath the Weapon. First, we have Bruce

1078
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:15,800
Willis as a New York City cop John McClain, who

1079
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,440
finds himself trapped in Nakatomi Plaza on Christmas Eve as

1080
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,880
the Great Alan Rickman, together with Alexander Goudanoff and a

1081
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,760
team of terrorists, take control of the building to steal

1082
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,239
six hundred and forty million dollars worth of Bearer bonds.

1083
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,039
Their meticulous plans are thwarted, however, by our cowboy hero McLain,

1084
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,800
who acts as the self described fly in the Ointment,

1085
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:41,480
the Monkey in the wrench, the pain in the ass. McLain,

1086
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:45,079
with the support of Officer Al Powell via Waukie Talkie,

1087
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,679
uses his street smarts and sense of humor to outwit

1088
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,599
the glorified bank robbers and save his wife and the day. Elsewhere,

1089
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:56,920
in the City of Angels, Detective Roger Murtau played by

1090
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:00,360
Danny Glover is forced to spend his last week before

1091
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,719
retirement partnered up with Mel Gibson's detective Martin Riggs, who

1092
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,199
may be crazy or just acting crazy to draw a

1093
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,800
psycho pension, but should definitely be registered as a lethal weapon.

1094
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,079
The two detectives have to try to not kill themselves

1095
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:21,039
or each other while tracking down the Shadow Company, who

1096
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:25,039
is trafficking heroin from Asia to the United States. The

1097
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:29,639
two detectives save MARTA's daughter and the city while forming

1098
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,679
a true and lasting partnership that is sealed by the

1099
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,920
sharing of the world's Worst Christmas Dinner. With this matchup,

1100
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,079
we all need to first come to the agreement that

1101
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:43,000
these are in fact Christmas movies, even down to the

1102
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,880
detail that they both have happy endings with a Christmas

1103
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,960
Carol playing us out as to which movie is better.

1104
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,719
It's a challenge to choose when one is a Buddy

1105
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,199
Cup movie and the other is an every man's hero movie.

1106
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,440
Leith a Weapon is a much darker story and Danny

1107
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,760
Glover does not get near enough credit for his amazing work,

1108
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,199
but the villains in this movie are by far the

1109
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,280
weakest and less interesting point. However, die Hard has a

1110
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,679
much more relatable hero, a stronger cast of supporting characters,

1111
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:20,679
and one of the best movie villains ever. The comedy

1112
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,679
Lands the effects are greater, and it's generally a more

1113
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,360
fun movie that I will definitely stop and watch no

1114
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,000
matter what. Put down the remote. I'm in for the

1115
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:34,079
long haul and that's what makes it the winner in

1116
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:37,440
this matchup. That's your Shirley's showcase for this episode. Thanks

1117
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,360
for listening, and check out Docking Base seventy seven.

1118
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: Okay, Amber, absolutely, these are fantastic Christmas movies and we

1119
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:45,920
love your pick.

1120
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are obviously on the same page. If you

1121
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,719
haven't heard her episode on those two movies, go check

1122
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,719
them out. But we are die hard, die hard.

1123
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:57,199
Speaker 2: Fans if you will, We're die hardly the Weapon fans

1124
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:58,039
to be honest.

1125
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're die harder.

1126
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: And Alan Rickman is one of the greatest movie villains

1127
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,280
of all time.

1128
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: Yes, Sin, since he's moving up to kidnapping, you should

1129
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,039
be more politible.

1130
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: Ember, Thank you so much for doing that for us.

1131
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,599
We sure appreciate you. If you get a chance, go

1132
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:13,800
check on our friends Dayton Johnson and Amber Lewis over

1133
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,519
at the Document seventy seven podcast.

1134
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:16,159
Speaker 1: Thanks ever.

1135
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but those people are in record stores everywhere. Like

1136
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:27,840
you can get an argument with somebody in a record

1137
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,519
shore if you want to just buy a side conversation

1138
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,440
you picked up on like, oh, can you say that,

1139
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:34,119
you know, say that this version of the song is

1140
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:36,199
better than that? Yeah, that was That was one fun

1141
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,320
part of the book that just kind of happened our game. Well,

1142
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,000
I'm glad that you like that. You want to take

1143
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,119
the gray Line with me time travel back to the nineties.

1144
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:43,840
We can go fight with those people if you want

1145
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,920
to our our music tastes. That's sort of the spirit

1146
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:47,719
of the book. I think.

1147
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we would love to take the gray Line and

1148
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,679
travel back with you to the nineties.

1149
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,639
Speaker 1: That would be awesome. Hey, we're going to wrap it

1150
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,199
up before we go. Can you tell people where they

1151
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,119
can get your book?

1152
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you want to go to Nineties and

1153
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,599
Nineties dot com. That's my website. It's the Nineties and

1154
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:10,440
the Nineties with the numbers, and that's a direct for me.

1155
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:12,800
And I'll sign it for you to send some swag.

1156
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,400
And also you can buy it on Amazon too. It's

1157
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,400
Amazon or any other place you buy books. I suppose

1158
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,000
buying it direct from the author. You know, if you

1159
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:22,760
really want to make sure that Jeff Bezos has more

1160
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,840
stupid cowboy hats, go to Amazon. I mean, like, we

1161
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,840
all buy stuff on Amazon, so it is there, and

1162
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,559
if you want to get from there, that's fine too.

1163
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:34,039
But I can sign you a copy for Interesting Coming

1164
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,360
to Ninetyays in the nineties dot com. Other than that,

1165
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,440
if you're in Chicago, there are a couple of places

1166
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,480
like Reckless Records and Rattleback Records have a couple of copies,

1167
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,039
and I try to get the local record stores and

1168
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:47,800
bookstores to to participate too, So it just depends on

1169
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,199
where you buy books, and a couple of places there

1170
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:50,760
you can get it.

1171
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: Awesome.

1172
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: Well, Diana had a great time with this one. Yeah,

1173
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,159
to our listeners, if you're looking for a book that

1174
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,840
will bring you back to the nineties and grunge and music.

1175
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: And sports and also just hanging out with your friends

1176
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,320
and just the importance of being in that moment and

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just loving on people who maybe you twenty years later

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didn't see again. I think that's I think that kind

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of was one of my favorite features that you did.

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You did appreciate, Hey, one of the things that was

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great about this was the people that I got to

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spend that time with. So I think it's really well

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done book. Anybody that is listening please check it out.

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We love it.

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Speaker 2: It has sparked conversation between D and I about people

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in his past, people in my past, friends that are

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long gone, that type of thing.

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Speaker 1: So that's been fun, too awesome.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you guys liked it, and thanks for having

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me on.

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Speaker 1: It's been great having you Andy anything, any parting words

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that you'd like to give to people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Phil Collins, I'm sorry, I don't like your stuff.

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You know, the book is about music, snop, somebody's got

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to get beat up. But I've been listening to some

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like early eighties Genesis in the car a little bit

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like actually, you know, like once I got rid of

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Peter Gabriel, I like Genni Sits. But then, you know,

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then you give Toul Collins eight million dollars to come

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up with a sappy song for Lion King too, it

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all goes to hell. So we'll have our hang ups

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about music, and that's part of what makes it fun.

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Speaker 2: I guess for the record, I love eighties Phil Collins,

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so yeah, it is.

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Speaker 1: It is a bunch of fun. So everybody please go

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check out that book. Thank you for joining us. Remember

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to go leave a review on our podcast page. If

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you want to be an executive producer, definitely go over

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to our Patreon page. It's patreon dot com, backslash, surely,

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podcast chasing anything else.

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Speaker 2: Go to ninety Days in the Nineties dot com and

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pick up Adies Book.

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Speaker 1: Okay, one more nineties cliche Yes later, Dudeticulator