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Speaker 1: What is up Felsico's I am to have Valley coming

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at you with my certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes.

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Wee as the Hardwood Knocks NBA podcast are moving on

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to another NBA trade deadline primer. The Brooklyn Nets are

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next up onto the table, and before we get started,

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I have to ask, Sir Hughes, how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: Just trying to process the Yiannis to Brooklyn for MPJ

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and and Cam Thomas And I should have thought about

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the math of my made up trade before I started

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talking about it.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna stick. You're gonna stick the landing on one

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of these because we've got a few left, and I'm

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confident that you'll get to wear And then it's just

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like I'll trick you like you'll believe it. I mean,

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I'm pretty gullible, so sure, but you'll deadpan it. You

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won't like undermine your own fake news, and you'll let

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it sit and marinate. And there will be people I

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have faith that are they're gonna check their phones because

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we're gonna leave get air like ten what so right, that's.

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Speaker 2: The thing to sell it properly, you need to, yes,

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and it, and we need to go like five full

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minutes into the pod so people will freak out and

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not realize I've undermined it and then and then go change,

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you know, check their phones and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we can. I'm willing to commit to that

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if you are.

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to commit to that as well. So, but

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it needs to leave. I'm I also want to be

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taken it back by the scenario that you that you lay.

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Speaker 2: Out, Okay, well I might have you think about it

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for more than five seconds going forward.

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Speaker 1: Now, speaking of kooky scenarios, the Brooklyn Nets have fifteen

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point three million dollars in cap space as we moved

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on to their trade deadline. Bottles the only team with

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that much cap space. So fifteen point three million in

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cap space, they can do a bunch of stuff. But

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notably they are They have about fifty million in cap

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space this coming summer. They owe now getting to their

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picks and their assets. They owe their twenty twenty seven

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pick to Houston via swap rights, but they also own grant.

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I did not know if you know this, but the

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New York Knicks first in twenty seven, twenty nine and

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thirty one plus the right to swap with New York

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in twenty twenty eight. They have Philadelphia's twenty twenty eight

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first round pick that is top eight protected, and they

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have the Nuggets's unprotected twenty thirty two pick. I'm trying

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to think, is they're, ah, that's the only twenty thirty

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two pick that's owed anywhere at the moment, right.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say, what's the juiciest twenty thirty two pick.

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It's the Nuggets Yokic getting older, but it's the only team. Yeah,

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unless I'm misremembering anybody. So those are those are some assets.

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And so I kind of wanted to start here with

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the Nets if if you would indulge me, does their

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pick situation next season for you or do you believe

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it will impact how they go because everyone's saying they

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can take on bad money and this rebuild continues, or

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is it no, they might want to maybe they don't

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trade Michael Borter junior, Nick Claxton because they're looking to

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get better because they don't have their own first round

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pick next year.

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Speaker 2: I think there's some element of, well, a couple things

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like you can't tank forever, you can't just avoid really

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taking a swing forever, and or you can't just be

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accumulating assets while taking on unwanted contracts forever. So that

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just not having control of your pick at least like

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removes one of the incentives to keep going with.

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Speaker 3: That like course of action. Should it like I don't.

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Speaker 2: But that's different though than saying don't you think, like, well,

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then they gotta just who like they gotta just try

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to be in the top six in the East next year.

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They got to make some like wild ass moves and

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maybe move some of those picks and try to bring

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in some It's not that, like, I don't think you

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abandon the whole like sensible, sane roster building process, but

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it does, Like I think, the only thing I'm certain

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of is that it will make our preseason conversation about

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Brooklyn a lot different next year than it's been, because, like,

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we can't be picking win totals in the teams if

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you don't have your own pick, especially when you've kind

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of been building up a little bit over the last

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couple of years, like that, that'll be different. Do you

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think it's gonna change what they do with the deadline.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I think that's like kind too far out, and.

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Speaker 1: They look at it as I'm sure they will, just

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based on what Sean Marks did following the Paul Pierce,

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Kevin Garant Garnett trade debacle. This is so much they're

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gonna look at it as a one year break in

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their Sunshine tanking and they'll they'll continue to operate as such.

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So I don't think it changes it materially at all.

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I don't think they're gonna go into next season thinking

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we need to use this cap space on players who

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help us contend for a play and spot or something.

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Speaker 2: Now, some I've seen it written and said and heard

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it said that because they don't control their pick next year,

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well like they just keep Michael Porter Junior around because

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he helps you win Like that. I mean, some people

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would say, like that's one way that controlling your own

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pick might affect their They're thinking, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't agree with that, but right you hear that.

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Speaker 1: I think what it allows you to do is be

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a little bit more demanding and your asking price, because

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if you look at any of the players, they there's

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really only two names that teams are gonna be hot

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after maybe three day, Ron Sharp hot after on this team,

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who is getting materially less if you keep them through

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this season and move them over the summer.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean nobody. I mean.

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Speaker 1: At some point, or he's an expiring contract, so you

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want him, like next season he's an expiring contracts so

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you want him for the two playoff runs. But so

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that leads into we need to set the asking price

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for these guys. But before we do that, grant, will

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they move on from cam Thomas or will they at

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least maybe shut him down because he's not a fun

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watch on this team. I don't. I don't like it,

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Like I don't.

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Speaker 3: Will they? Will they play him forty minutes? Is maybe

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the other question?

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Speaker 2: Like what let him juice his numbers first, do him

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a solid, let him chuse his numbers for free agency.

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Speaker 3: He'll help you lose?

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, No, is there a team he would not

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accept a trade to because he has to he has

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veto power?

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Speaker 3: Oh wow?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Probably, but like.

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Speaker 2: It would only be because he's like I have an

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uncle that I hate in New Orleans and I don't

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want to be around him, or something like because he's

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gonna play more and it'll they'll be more appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Literally, anywhere, I think.

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Speaker 1: Right, because you can't even look at it and say,

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maybe the Nets will give him more money, so they

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have this placeholder contract because they didn't first of all,

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they didn't do that this.

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Speaker 2: Year they will, They're not, they have no interest, right,

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They're not gonna keep him.

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Speaker 3: There's no chance, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: So do you think he's on the team after the deadline?

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Speaker 3: I mean, oh, deadline hose next year? Easy? No, I

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don't know what his market is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who's who's who wants a rental of

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this type of player, Like so Cam Minnesota team.

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Speaker 3: He might be on.

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Speaker 2: I think I just nobody's given up a first. You

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might give a second and I guess matching money. Yep,

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they want him out of there.

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Speaker 3: Ah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll say he's on a different team, but

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that's just because the cost is like close to zero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could. What if they just decide that Jay

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and Ivy isn't the answer. They're not moving j and Ivy,

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but like you just take your Detroit, you take Cam

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Thomas to see if they don't want to ruin the vibes.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's that, and will he like what kind of

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role does he expect coming onto this this?

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Speaker 1: Can he be better than Caris LeVert? I guess is

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the role?

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Speaker 2: Well, but then if that's the part of the thing

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with him, is like he wants twenty shots, you know,

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like that that's the type of player he thinks he is.

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So you, I mean, you'd know all this, right, you would.

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You would have some conversations before trading for him, like.

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Speaker 1: Hey, playing alongside and then also just being in the

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locker room with Ron how in to sar Thompson, Isaiah Stewart,

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you kind of can't like you, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Right right, there's.

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Speaker 2: No there's no bullshitting around, there's no like Yeah, I

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mean that's interesting, like the the parent in me wants

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to send him there so that like they can set

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him straight, like so that Isaiah Stewart and all those

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guys can be like we care about the team and

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like being tough and defending and your nonsense won't fly here,

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so get it together.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, what about if they end up moving Anthony Simons

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to cut their attacks Bill Boston would make some sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, again, the the Missoula of it all

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and the like we like quick decisions and spot up

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threes and yeah he's an So what do.

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Speaker 3: You think do you think he'll be on the Nets

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after the deadline.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say no because I don't. I don't

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want to see it anymore.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And that might be if they're playing him minutes after

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the tradeadline and he's on the team. I try to

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your priority shift. I think post All Star break as

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to what teams you really need to be locking in on.

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But I do try to like still lock in on

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like the bad teams, especially if they have young like

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I love Yegor Joeman so especially like and a player

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where I think, wow, I might have just freaking missed

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on him and Danny wolf I camp Thomas might be

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the breaking one of the next Like I'm drawing a

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line in the cement and camp Thomas is it. He

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needs to be gone or not.

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Speaker 2: Playing, or you're out, or you just they can kiss

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your eyes goodbye.

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Speaker 1: I'll be watching film of all the possessions when camp

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Thomas is not on the floor, and that's how I

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will consume Brooklyn Nets basketball. If here's a player that

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has more of a market, you're the Nets. What is

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it taking you what's the minimum you need to we've

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graduated from Throw a first round pick their way and

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they'll do it right. Like, that's just.

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Speaker 2: My My very first thought was, I think it's gonna

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take at least two now, two firsts. I think because

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there's only that one more year on his deal. It

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also probably isn't not that that's the thing I was

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gonna say. It probably isn't terrible money. But like that,

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who is who even is that? Like I get I

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keep thinking, like Jeremy Grant or whatever is like the oh,

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that's a bad contract because like the EMBIID class of

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bad contract is just like a separate thing.

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Speaker 3: So it's two firsts.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe depending on the kind of money you're

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sending back, it's three. But I also think most teams

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are not willing to give up three firsts for one

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year and forty million bucks of Michael Porter Junior. Does

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that sound about right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? It's also he's been pretty durable over the past

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few years. Oh, you can look at that as a

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ticking time bomb. But if you're a team like I

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don't know, Detroit is my favorite Michael Porter Junior A nation, Yeah, nation.

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I think trying to think of what other team can

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maybe talk themselves, because you know one of those picks

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of what the other team would be. You know, you're

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I just you just look at

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who needs shooting and who has a good enough defensive

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infrastructure to to just I mean, he's not like this

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poisonous defender. But obviously it's like you're a team that

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defenses in the league, Houston probably not that Kevin Durantz

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got that spot, san Antonio, I don't know. I mean,

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he's if it was Fred Van Fleets willing to accept

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the trade, and that's how you're getting to the most

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would have him in Houston. I mean they do need,

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think they said, I don't think as much growth or

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like maybe hidden ability as Porter Junior has shown as

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like a self sufficient scorer in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: He's not.

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Speaker 2: He's he's not like exactly what Houston would need. I

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would say offensively because because also then you're kind of

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marginalizing Jabari Smith Junior. I mean you're not taking mems

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from Durant, but even Thompson probably get like, I don't know,

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there's a eason you're probably eating into some Now some

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of those guys may go back and hypothetical what about that?

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Speaker 1: So the Warriors would have been interesting before the Butler injury,

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and now it's just I don't know if they can

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talk to him. I mean, would you as the Warriors

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right now, Salary, so it's kaminga whatever to get there,

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and then it's pods in a first. Is that something

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you're still considering or no, I mean.

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Speaker 3: I would consider it.

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Speaker 2: It's like maybe if it's because I think Kaminga and

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Moody gets you pretty close. Honestly, just throw pods in

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there so we can kill the two timelines era. I

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mean Porter Junior is again he sort of like in Houston.

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compromiser with the ball that maybe the Warriors need, but

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as just another guy that cannot be unattended to.

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Speaker 3: Ever, there's there'd be value there you could throw.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like does he make this isn't gonna happen,

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but like if you put him into Julius Randall's spot

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does that change anything in Minnesota if you put it,

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he has, and probably his playmaking matters, because we've spent

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plenty of time talking about the Wolves needs some of that,

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like Toronto because they've got solid defense and they have

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stretch issues in the front court.

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Speaker 1: What about upgrading from the Harrison Barnes spot in San Antonio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's one too, And the defense is good

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enough there to to definitely accommodate him, especially if, like

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you know, you'd hope that one or both of Castle

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and Harper will figure it out shooting wise. But if

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you're gonna play a couple of guards like a lot

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that do everything well except shoot, you're probably gonna want

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to get a guy in there that's, you know, a

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really reliable, high volume guy from three.

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Speaker 1: I loved him in New Orleans before it was clear

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that Michael porter Tum is going to require multiple first

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round picks to acquire. They just I want so much

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shooting on that team. Him and Trey Murphy would be

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a five alarm fire.

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Speaker 2: And Zion on the team in that hypothetical, because if

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it because it's like Queen is your center and then

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MPJ your god, your defense sucks so whatever, it doesn't

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matter what you do.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Poole's on your team, so defense isn't going to

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be any great shakes either. But I think it's it

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needs to be the equivalent for me of two first

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round picks to get. Maybe it's a prospect that you

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really like, but that's what it's taking to move MPJ.

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What about Nicholas Claxton.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting one. He's kind of in the him

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and Gafford, and there's a third guy who's I can't

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remember now are like all of the bigs that are

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like reasonably available. He's really interesting because of the the facilitation.

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It feels like everybody that's gone to Brooklyn has figured

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out how to be like more of a I don't know, folkrum.

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He's just passed the ball better this year. That feels

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like kind of a new dimension. So it's not just well,

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he can switch and he'll block a shot, and he's,

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you know, a good, solid enough defensive piece. If I'm

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looking at a center, though, I think I probably still

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prefer Gafford just because he's cheaper and he's like a

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just a just the lob threat. Like the best version

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of Gafford is, like I understand how to integrate that

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into a really good team. Now, Cloxson was pretty good

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on some of those KD nets teams too, But.

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Speaker 1: I just for two years and forty four million about

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and it's declining after this season. I think it's at

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least I think it's one first I don't think it's two.

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I think it's one first round pick and a young

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player you talk yourself into, oh he'll play, it's not

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you know what I mean. Yeah, I'm trying to think

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of what would be a good example of a maybe

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at Jade and Ivy level of intrigue, the Piston should

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not although could you mind the picture? Just go out

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and sure that we have clacked it in Stewart and

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Durren and we're just gonna more big. Yeah, So I

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think that would be it for me. What do you Darren?

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Sharp's the other name. That's a minimum of two seconds

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at this point, and from the next perspective, I don't

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even know if it's worth it. The team option is

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so cheap. It's just if it's part of I think

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he's getting moved as part of a larger deal where

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it's maybe with MPG or something, and you're increasing the

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value of your return.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think right, because if it's just a

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couple of seconds, why wouldn't you just rather have sharp

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and the you know, the the I'm sure you probably

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should just pick that team option up. But like the

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flexibility to affords is not nothing. Is there anybody else

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that you know might draw some interest? I mean, hey,

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what Highsmith is there? If he's healthy, would be healthy,

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which maybe the whole reason he's there in the first

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place for what seemed like such a low return is that.

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Speaker 3: He was just never going to be healthy.

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Speaker 1: Zion Williams has had some moments. So if you just

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want a wing that you think could play eat up

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some minutes at least during the regular season, maybe him.

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Speaker 2: Terrence Man makes too much and goes out too far.

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He's got two more years after.

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Speaker 1: This still just doesn't fucking shoot enough threes. My god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Other than that, like they're not trading Clowny because

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he's cheap and interesting. Everybody else is a rookie, it

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feels like, so yeah, it's it's pretty slim pickings beyond

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Porter Junior in Claxton.

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Speaker 1: If you they should not necessarily be in the business

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of trading for need sort of like we say, drafting

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for need, it's like you shouldn't be in the business

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trading for need. But if you look at this roster,

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aside from saying the fundamental cornerstone of the future, is

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there something that sticks out that you would like to

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see them maybe prioritize.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you've got to at least you can

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do process of elimination and say we got enough guys

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we think can be our playmakers at the guard.

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Speaker 3: Spots, and so you just see them.

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Speaker 2: Well, you took enough shots at it that you gotta

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at least go all the way through next year to

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see if you've got somebody between.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, because it's just like they would say.

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Speaker 3: A wing.

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Speaker 2: I think I want to combo forward or like a

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bigger wing before I start messing around with the guards.

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Speaker 1: Because it feels like they've already messed around with the

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guards or the on ball guys in the sense that

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a lot of them just aren't on the ball as

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much as anyone expected them to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Joeman being like not a high rep ball

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handling guard is interesting, but he has value elsewhere. Just

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a question of like yeah, I mean Danny, Yeah, No,

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you're I still I still am leaning away. I mean

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what Saraf is who knows TRII who knows?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fast, I don't. So it's so.

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Speaker 2: Early though, like I want it. Those guys are both

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teenagers when they started the year. I think they still are.

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I think Joemen is still nineteen too.

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Speaker 1: Would you consider this is? Would you consider? And this

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is I guess like kind of more of a I

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guess it's a bye play. But what if Denver I

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brought this up on the Utah episode. Denver's in love

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with Peyton Watson. They're not paying both him and Christian Brown?

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Would you consider just taking on? Would you throw one

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of your lower end first round picks? Looking at maybe

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the knickses twenty twenty seven pick, would you throw that

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at Denver to get Christian Brown?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: I mean that's presumably that unless things go really sideways,

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that picks in the twenties.

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Speaker 1: I actually said one of their lower end first and

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I'm looking at their commitments, so when you just look

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at the extra first that they have the Knicks in

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twenty seven, twenty nine and thirty one, Phillies in twenty

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twenty eight, and Denver's in twenty thirty two. There's one

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low end pick I think in.

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Speaker 3: That budge, which is the Knicks one probably.

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Speaker 1: Twenty seven, And could you even talk yourself into if

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they don't win this season, they just might do something

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so stupid.

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Speaker 2: Well that's why I hesitated and said, like that's probably

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in the twenties, but also who knows. Yeah, I'm just

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not sure where I'm out on Christian Brown specifically, to

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be honest, but like that player type, you know, the

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guy that's making in the twenties, that's a star that's

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young enough to where like could factor once.

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Speaker 3: All your really really young guys are probable roles.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's still pretty young. He's expensive though, and I

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just wonder what the cost of with some of his

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other teammates getting more expensive John Suggs Hmmm.

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Speaker 3: He would definitely be.

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Speaker 2: I think if you do that, it's like Claxton's not

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going anywhere and MPJ is not going anywhere, and you're

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kind of just like competitive.

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Speaker 1: I was actually wondering if it was more of you

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could probably get Orlando out of the tax by giving

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them Michael Porter Junior. If you're taking back Suggs, you

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throw Jonathan Isaac in there, like you could probably get

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Orlando out of the tax.

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Speaker 2: Well, what you're highlighting is the lead for Brooklyn is that,

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like their true role here is to use the only

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cap space that exists in the league to like, let

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me do you a favor other teams, you know, whether

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that's being the third team or whether that's we'll take back,

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you know, a big chunk of money that you don't

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want give you someone cheaper with stuff attached. Like that's

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that's if I'm saying, like what should the Nets do,

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It's use that cap space to do things no other

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team can do, like be the be the only way

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that this deal gets done and really like exact a

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price for it.

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Speaker 1: And there's an if you don't have like bigger deals,

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like there's not even one single which by the way,

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is possible if there's not a single blockbuster on the

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table to where you can utilize that leverage. There are

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so many teams within just striking distance of ducking the tax.

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There are one, two, three, four, five, six teams are

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seven and a half million dollars or lesson to the tax.

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You could feasibly just help like three of them get out,

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and then how many seconds you end up with for

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that or even is there, you're probably not getting a

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first probably's there, but if it's all right, we obliterate

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our fifty million dollars of cast braces for the season

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and we got like six second round picks or something

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like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that feels like if all else fails,

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move But that's a pretty good like we know we'll

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be able to do that if we can't do anything else,

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like coming out with several seconds and just for money

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that you sort of have to spend anyway, pretty pretty solid.

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Like I don't know if that's even qualifying as a

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fallback plan what is?

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Speaker 1: And do you think they're gonna be willing to take

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on money that goes beyond this season?

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Speaker 3: So well, why wouldn't you be like it?

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Speaker 1: Just like I think the price of the it probably

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depends on what you're getting back, which you could say

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about anything, but I might prefer because a lot more

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activity happens over the offseason if you can facilitate facilitate

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moves as a cap space, like they're probably gonna have

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cap space either way, but fifty plus million around that's

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a lot of cap space. So if you're able to

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preserve that and maybe it change is now the variable

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here is I'm just assuming what if they don't trade

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Claxton or Michael Porter Junior. And there's just a chance

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that if you trade Michael Porter Junior because he has

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standalone you maybe you're actually getting expiring contracts in return,

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so you're increasing your cap space too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, are we trending towards like, oh, the

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Nets have two max salary slots?

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Speaker 3: Again? Is that?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: I really don't want to think that again.

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Speaker 1: I think that they view cap space as a facilitation tool.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they change their stance on cap space.

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It's not two superstars anymore. Well, who leaves nobody's a

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free agent anymore.

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Speaker 1: That's they signed Lebron this offseason.

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Speaker 3: Congrat Yeah, no, that's really true.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, you just you don't know what your pick

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next year.

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Speaker 2: Lebron would definitely sell tickets at You'll be really yeah,

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you'll be relevant, that's true. No, I think I think

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just as a facilitator, as a like, let's let's get

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involved in other deals. That's I mean, they could really

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come away looking pretty good if that's all they do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so too many questions. Who's the most likely player?

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To be traded on this team.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I'll just go Porter Junior. I think

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there's gonna be pretty robust demand for him, and I

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think there's plenty of teams that would should and would

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be willing to put two first on the table for him,

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Like if he's if he's gonna play like this, I

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mean it's gone on long enough, Like I think he's

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that's a big salary, But I think he's just been

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really good. And I think who doesn't need a lights

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out shooter that has been on a championship team before.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with to be country. I'm gonna

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say like Zire Williams or Heywood High, just to be contrarian.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 1: And then I can't remember what my second question. I

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had a second question for you. Would we do most

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likely player to be Oh, the number over under on

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the number of these players that get if if it's

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Michael Porter Junior Nick Claxton point five. So you already

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predicted Michael Porter Junior was going to be the most

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likely player to be traded, So what the over and

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the number of trades the Nets make? They could it

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could be however many, I'll say one point five.

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Speaker 3: And this counts them like nosing in, Like we're going

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to take on this twelve million dollars salary with a

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second attack.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Uh, I will go.

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Speaker 2: Over one point five, and in fact I will be disciplined.

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I think it will have been a mistake if they

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are not over, if they don't get two trades or

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more done, I'll.

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Speaker 1: Take the overs. Well, do you think that they will finish,

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They will move past the deadline and have more or

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less than five million dollars in cap space remaining.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna say less. I think they're gonna try

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to use up.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna manifest activity and to existence.

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Speaker 3: Really, that's kind of what this is good. I don't know, like,

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what are we doing if we're not gonna capital We're

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the only team that can facilitate deals like get in there.

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine if they do nothing? If if they

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do if they do nothing, I think that this will

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have been the worst trade deadline of all time. There's

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just nothing out there for them to facilitate.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, right, yeah, if they're on, if they're unable

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to do anything, it's because just nothing happened anywhere and

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nobody called them and said.

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Speaker 3: We need help. Yeah, that would suck. I'm rooting real

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hard against that.

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Speaker 1: You got anything else on that, But you're ready to take

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us out of here.

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Speaker 2: I think that's gonna do it. Thanks everybody for listening

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and for watching. As always, please remember to give us

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