Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best
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Hello everyone, welcome to trans Dimensional Realities. I am your host,
Melissa Lee, and this is the premiere episode of this
new video podcast. We'll be promoting the video on YouTube
and the audio will stream out on the Paranormal UK
Radio Network. So welcome to the first show. We've got
a great guest lined up for you to but before
we get started, I wanted to talk a little bit
about what the show is going to be about. This
isn't just another paranormal show. We're going to be talking
about all sorts of different, wild and weird and sometimes
scary things that are part of our everyday reality. I
call it transdimensional reality because what is really out there
really does expand beyond dimensions and what we think of
as reality, what we've been taught since childhood is just
a sliver of what is out there. It's like looking
at the light spectrum, the electromagnetic spectrum. You have the
visible light spectrum, which is about this big, and then
the rest of the spectrum stretches out so wide, either
into the infrared or ultraviolet and there's a lot more
out there. Then we realize a lot of people have
had weird experiences that they can't explain, and most of
these experiences tend to lie on the outside of our
view of reality. Most people either dismiss it or ridicule
it because it conflicts with their beliefs. And you know,
with this show, we're not looking to change anybody's mind.
We're not trying to force our opinions on you. I
just want this show to be educational, informative, and just
give you something to think about as you're moving forward
with this very weird world we're currently in. And there's
going to be a lot of different guests we're going
to have on that's going to cover so many of
these topics. So strap yourselves in as we get ready
for our first get tonight. Our guest is Kieran Stanislaw
Mace and he is a graphic designer and author, podcaster
and artist. He hosts the Paranormal Perspectives podcasts, and he
is also an author of a book, para Normality, Normalizing
the Paranormal. So, Hi, Stan, welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me. Excited to have this conversation.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, me too. I'm looking forward to it. This
is our premiere show. So just so you know a
little bit about me. I've been in the paranormal for
many years. I've done other podcasts as well, so this
is a new new endeavor for me. So could you
tell our audience just a little bit about your background
and why we're going to talk today.
Speaker 2: Of course I've said before I start, good luck on
your endeavor. Best of luck to you. I'm sure you're
going to do very well. So yeah, a little bit
about me. My full name is Kieran standard slav Mace.
I come from Oxford, as you can hear by my accent,
grew up there most of my life, and it was
Oxford where I encountered the paranormal for the first time.
My story comes from a NDE near death experience that
I experienced when I was at the young age of five,
thrust me into the unknown ultimately. Currently, by day at
the moment, I'm a graphic designer, but also by night
I'm making it sound like I'm Batman now anyway, but
by night I'm a podcaster, I'm an author, and I'm
an artist. So yeah, that starts me a long and
short and very much a family man with two very
lovely kids.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nice, very nice. So you've also written a
book called para Normality, and you could let's talk a
little bit about that. What brought you to bring to
write that book? And then I definitely want to get
into your near death experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, So Paranormality it's written in a very
strange way. I don't know if you notice on the
cover we have power and normality. So, of course paranormality
ultimately being the parallel to normality. So the book is
about posing the question who considered what is normal? So
because of my personal experiences, I began to realize that
the parallel to normality is more normal than you think.
That's the idea. So the book itself, it's an account
of my very very strong experiences, very visceral experiences I
started to have from the age of five and furthermore
kind of going through my life into a teenager and
to a man and realize that, well, keep being told
this thing only happens to very select people. You're not
allowed to talk about the paranormal fact, but yet I
see it more often than I would like. And yeah,
the mission of the book is really not just something
an account. It's an invitation to the unknown. It's an
invitation for you to question your own reality. And you're
welcome as a reader of the book to question the stories.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's what I would welcome skeptics, I would welcome believers.
The whole point is you decidedly got on your own
what you believe, and if you're not entirely sure going
out and starting that adventure that we're all welcome to
embark on to know more about the world, to know
more about the unknown, because you know, I believe the
word paranormal is a misnomer really, you know, it is
very much normal, like I say, And removing the fear
of the paranormal itself and the stigma around that invites
you to be more open to adding to your data sets,
so to speak, your comparables, to maybe get a better
understanding of who you are and where you sit within
the universe. So it's not a standard ghost story. It's
is a ghost story in some parts. There are some
scary stories in there, but it is very much an
invitation into the unknown.
Speaker 1: Well, it falls right in exactly with the goal of
this program because with all the experiences I've had, I've
learned that reality is much more broader and weirder, wonderful
and scary at the same time then we realize, because
we're just looking at what we're taught growing up, what
paradigms we believe in, and it's usually a very thin
point of view, and there's so much going on all
around us. Most people either just don't want to acknowledge
it or afraid of it it goes against their beliefs.
So but I very much am interested in all of
the weird, high strangeness experiences that we've had in life.
And I've had my fair share of my own too,
So so let me.
Speaker 2: Have to hear it.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you then about your near death experience
at age five. Yeah, what happened there? And what did
you experience? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Of course, as you can imagine, it's quite an emotional
story to tell, and it's a story I kept to
myself and much of my life. I've brought up in
a religious in the religious world, I was told the
way the world is supposed to be, and I soon
found that, at the very young age of five, that
there is more to this world. There's more behind the veil.
So to speak. And it's only been until the last
year or so that I began to share that story
more publicly through this book and through my podcast to
show people it's okay to talk about these things. This
is all part of healing. And you know, it very
much left me with PTSD many years and eventually that
developed into complex PTSD as well. It's it's not fun
and it's not something I would wish on any child, especially,
you know, looking at my two kids today, like, I'm
so grateful that they didn't. I haven't experienced what I've
seen really, so so my end happened in the nineties,
so that's you know, quite some time ago, and it
shows how old I am as well.
Speaker 1: So we started.
Speaker 2: They always say ages but a number. Really it's just
our body that is aging ultimately over time, but we
are forever people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people, people say age is just a number. In
my case, it's a pretty big damn number.
Speaker 2: So yeah, finally you look great.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: So it's when I was living in Oxford and I
was on the way to visit my grandmother. We were
crossing a road a junction at the time, and it
was a green light for pedestrians to cross red light
for cars to stop, and there were two or three
cars stopped at the junction, and we just began to
cross the road and it was just me and my mum.
I was just halfway across the road. And from this
point everything is ingrained in my memory in the most
ridiculous amount of detail, really, and hence why he gives
you PTSD really so so yeah. To the right of me,
just before this thing happened, I heard a woman's voice
in my ear, my right ear, saying you shouldn't be here.
And just as I heard this voice come to a close,
everything went black. And what I didn't know at the time,
my car had run the red light, going at full speed,
overtaking all the vehicles, and they had hit me head
on and just only just narrowly missed my mother behind me.
And without going into too much detail, I was in
a very very bad way, and I'll never forget my
body being that severely broken and being in that much pain.
I was thankfully helped by members of the public. They
came over to assess me, call an ambulance, and also
apprehend the man that was trying to escape the scene.
The man ran me over. He was trying to make
his way out, and of course helped my mother at
the time. So as you can imagine, the situation was
just all over the place. Cacophonic would be the word.
So yeah, I remember being rushed to the hospital and
was taken to the emergency room to have my first
major operation. Everything was a blur at that time, and
at some point I found myself standing in the hospital. Previously,
my legs were completely broken. They were like noodles essentially,
was a horrible detail. Yeah, previously they were broken. Yet
suddenly I was stood. I didn't question it at first.
I just thought I just got up out of bed
and was walking around. But something seemed a bit strange
in this moment, because reality seemed to be a bit off.
I felt there was a different weight to this world,
like there wasn't gravity, but I was kind of held there,
and like colours looked a bit different. But I noticed
that my vision was ultra sharp. I could see every
last little grain of detail in the ground, in the walls,
and I kind of came to realize I stood in
the hospital hallway. My instinct was to find my mum.
Naturally you would do that at that age, So I
walked towards the first opening, and it was a doorway
into one of the rooms where one of the kids
were being looked after in this pediatric ward. And I
remember specifically waving at this kid and he didn't respond,
and I thought, you can see me, I'm right here,
So I waved at him again and I shouted to
him and nothing. I thought, that's strange. And I walked
a bit further on and I saw a doctor walk
past me, and I waved at him as well, and nothing.
I saw a nurse walk past me, and I tried
to grab her jacket as she walked by, and she
walked straight past me. And it just got weirder and
weirder as I walked past room after room trying to
get the attention of these kids. And it's that feeling
of being lost in like in this liminal place that
you don't know why you're there, you can't explain why.
You can me walk again, like my pain had gone,
and mind synct again was to find my mum. So
I walked down this hospital colic corridor. Further along, I
turned left and turned right and just memorizing all the details.
It's really weird that I can remember the posters on
the wall, the cracks, the broken objects, the different medical equipment,
and eventually I found my way to this room. And
at first it looked like some sort of a storage
room as I approached it, because I could see through
this glass window and I could see there was some
depth in there. But something was almost pulling me there.
And I walked into this room. The door was already
open as well, and I noticed that something was in
there that I didn't understand. And this is where I
begin to struggle to explain what this thing was. In
this room, I remember seeing there's storage cabinets, medical medical equipment,
and this wall of holes, lots of large, deep holes
with pieces of metal sticking out of them, which looks
very strange. But in this room, I felt like there
was something so incredibly vast, yet at the same time
I couldn't see it. It's a hard thing to explain.
Like imagine like an object moving so fast that you
know it's there, but it's moving so fast it's beyond
your vision. It's like at a vibration that's higher and
you can understand. I hope that kind of makes sense there.
But it felt very imposing, like almost like you're embracing
a planet. Really, it's something that is so fast beyond
you that whatever it was kind of sucked me in
and it was like being pulled into a black hole, really,
and I had this most immense download of information. I
was showed many different places, planets, places and space cities,
some cities long gone, and people, and it was like
it was too much information, like an overloaded socket. Basically
too much electricity shooting through you is the best way
you can describe it. And it got faster and faster
and faster and faster and faster, and it was as
if far as beginning to comprehend like infinity, like everything
was everything, and I became like one with everything. And
it was only scary for me at the time because
it was just the overlad. I don't think whatever was
there was bad or good. It was just there. It
just always has been, whatever it is. And I remember
one particular part of this vision. I was flying through
the sky and I saw as I approached this walkway
over this lake. It was a really unusual scene actually,
because nearby I could see this train yard and a
bridge going over it. This bridge kind of crossed over
the yard went down with these steps and then onto
another another bridge that was elevated over this waterway, and
I slowly landed on this bridgeway again. I could see
all the details. I could see the chain link fence,
all the cracks and like everything, see everything, every molecule
in the water, like every molecule in the leaves. It's
just it's so bizarre. But as I landed, I could
see there were these teenagers on the bridge and they
were wearing these hoodies. I think they were dressing dressed
in white, wearing kind of like tracksuits, and that's where
I can describe it really, but either way, they were
the first people that noticed that I was there, because
as I landed, like one of them jumped as I approached,
and then I tried to get his attention and then
he couldn't see me again. But something made this person
like jump. I don't know what happened, really, but it
is at that point I began to think of my
mum again, and I was called back to where I
was in the hospital again, and I furthermore had this
big download of information, getting more and more and more.
I was being shown shown all these places again and
taken all over the universe, and eventually I just wanted
to scream and I couldn't. I couldn't. I didn't physically
have a voice box to scream, but I wanted to
scream and I couldn't, And I just thought of my
mum's face, and I was immediately transported back into my body,
and it felt like I'd been out there in this
you know, in between for a long long time. It
felt like anything between like a second to years to centuries.
It's really weird to describe when you're in a place
that has no time. But I came back and I
must have woken up, and it had been a couple
of days where I've been into at least two or
three operations to stabilize the body, and I saw that
my legs were in casts. I had one leg was
when I was suspended up in the air with metal
rods sticking through to obviously fuse the bones together, so
I physically couldn't have walks. So I assumed at first
that was a dream, and I just continue with life
from there, like just going through the agony of all
the treatments, the various drugs that had to take at
the time to keep my body, you know, my mum
was there every step of the way, like my mum
is like my true superhero, Like I don't think I
would have survived as well as I would have without
her there. She never less left my side for weeks,
and yeah, I got better and better and better, and
eventually I was invited on this little trip from this nurse.
She said, hey, look, you're doing a bit better now,
Like would you like a change of scenery? And I thought, well, great, okay,
if you can and peel me off this bed, then yeah,
I have at it. And yeah, she did struggle a
bit though, because I was quite heavy, I admit, but yeah,
she lifted me into this wheelchair and bless her, and
she took me on a stroll of this hospital. And
just as I entered the first hallway, I thought, I
know this place. This was my dream. And as I
went by the different openings to the different the rooms
where different kids were. That was the first kid I saw.
That was the second kid I saw. I saw the posters,
I saw the cracks in the wall that I saw
in this dream. And the stranger thing is I told
this lady where to go left, right, And eventually I
found myself looking at the room, I saw and met
this entity, and it was through this security gate, but
you could see through this window. And there's a reason
why there was a security there is because it was
a morgue. For some reason. I found myself in a
morgue in the other world, other side, or whatever you
would do to describe it. And that's when I realized
that all of this aligned with this so called dream.
And that was my first experience of what psychologists call
ontological shock. It's this realization that your reality, your known
reality before, is now no longer relevant. It's been overlaid
with something entirely new, and it's a lot to comprehend.
So I naturally screened the house down, as you would imagine,
and the poor nurse had no idea what was going on,
bless her, and so yeah, she eventually took me back
and assumed it was maybe the psychological trauma eventually does
hit you when you begin to be more kind of
together in the mind, and yeah, I try to continue
with my treatments and the last part of this NDE is.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: A couple of years later, after I left hospital was
doing much better. I was out in Oxford with a
friend of mine and anyone knows the city of Oxford
work very well. It's worked very well, known for traffic
and us being as we thought, okay, well, rather than
going the main way, we'll use the secret way in.
And there are all these paths on the outskirts of
Oxford called the Devil's Backbone, interestingly interestingly titled. So I
took that way in with him to avoid all the traffic,
and it was my first time doing that, and followed
the path along. It took a while to get there,
and I thought, no, okay, well, I'm looking forward to
going into Oxford, maybe doing some swimming there. It's going
to be worth it. And suddenly I saw this image.
I saw the walkway that went up over the train yard.
As I took the i think the final step up
to the top, I realized that everything perfectly aligned with
the thing that I saw during my nde that over
the train yard and down a few steps was the
big lake with the chain link fence, the path that
headed over the sorry of the bridge that went over
the lake, all perfectly aligned. And again, onto logical shock,
I froze. My poor friend had no idea what was
going on. I just froze and couldn't stop shaking, and
again it showed to me that you seem to be
able to exist without your body. And that's what I've
been doing over the last few years, really is just
getting a better understanding of that event that kicked off
my paranormal journey, and also get a better understanding of
the fact that consciousness doesn't seem to be localized. And
I questioned how consciousness seems to work. But at the moment,
I'm currently arriving on the fact that we're kind of
like radios. We have a form of consciousness transmitted into
this vessel that we're in currently kind of like you're
driving a car. Really that there are situations in this
life where you can temporarily leave and gather that, you know,
external data, the information that comes with that. But yeah,
I mean there's a realization that we are more than
what we are and at least a positive out of
this experience was before I had this NDE, I wasn't
creative out of all the operations I had and whatever
it was that happened with this big download, I seemingly
just turned into an artist. I furiously drew all the
way through hospital to try and stem the pain. It's
kind of like I'll say, it's like a blood letting
of pain. Really, the more I drew, the more I
forgot about the physical pain that I was going through,
and that's what led me into the career that I
have today. Really, I'm an artist, I'm a designer in
the day. It's like it's a gift that I'm really
lucky to have. This thing kind of sent me back
with this extra cognition that I'm able to perceive things differently.
I seem to be able to somehow acquire information at
the right place at the right time. And yeah, I
mean imagine being that kid coming back to life in
this world, having to fit into the life that you
had before, and being in a situation where you can't
really talk to other people about these kind of things
because it will be seen as bad or evil or
anything that is a parallel to their understood reality. It
scares people, and I get why because they thought that way,
and it's not their fault. But it's taken me many,
many many years to be at.
Speaker 1: Peace for that.
Speaker 2: Like, Okay, I have that experience, It's not my fault. Ultimately,
it's the fault of the person that hit me. With
the car really, but anyway, but any people make mistakes, really,
But yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I was going to make a comment two things. Well,
first of all, when you said you really weren't creative
before this happened, but you were also only five, so
you had a long way to go to come in
to yourself. But I do believe the indie definitely opened
up a lot of things for you. The other thing
I have is during the NDE, at any point, did
you ever interact or see anybody else or was it
just you traveling through these different areas and then having
the major downloads because a lot of people who have
indies described meeting spiritual beings, other people family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good question. I mean, for one, yes,
you're right, I wasn't, you know, I didn't have many
years in this life to know who was truly, But
I wasn't really interested in art at that age. Yet
suddenly I was furiously interested in have been ever since. Really,
I'm not sure you know what was it trauma? Was
it a gift from the other side? I just don't
know either way. Yes, it's hard thing to answer, really,
because all I know is I didn't I didn't enter
the other side and meet deities other people would hopefully
hope that would meet. At the time I worshiped Jesus.
That was just part of my upbringing. I didn't meet
that person there, doesn't I sortainly mean whether that's you know,
that person is real or not, I'm not, you know,
not debating that, of course. But all I knew is
I met something that was so vast and maybe I
would describe it as a singular being, but the way
in which I connected to it, I felt like it
was everything. So I've deliberated as to whether it's you know,
is it the gatekeeper at the edge of time, basically
the person that maybe takes you to the beyond, because
I was ready to go at that point, but I
eventually decided, Okay, I want my mum, this is the
life that I chose to have. I'm gonna, you know,
stick it through. But yeah, Ice, the information download was
so fast. I can't say whether I remember all the
people that I met out there. Over the years, as
I began to delve into those memories, it's slowly unpacked.
Over time, I've remembered more things, I've been able to
connect to more things from that experience, but what one
in particular, If you don't mind me take downing a
little link to this story. Was roughly about a couple
of years after I came back from this experience. I
was at school then, trying to be a normal kid. Basically,
the beings that I met, they'd eventually come to me.
There are these moments where I'd speak to people that
I used to call the sky doctors. I didn't tell
anybody then, because yeah, I didn't want to give the
wrong impression. But it's strange because I used to be
This particular meeting used to happen about three to four
times a week roughly, usually when I was at school.
Interestingly enough, usually lunchtimes, I'll be out in the grass
playing with my friends, just having fun, and I had
this feeling that I need to walk away and take
just a moment aside. I used to walk away from
my friends and just lie in the grass, and I
instinctively used to just look up at the sky and
listen to the vibrations of the planes flying by. And
when the planes left, I could still hear these vibrations
getting louder and louder, and what I would see is
an opening in the sky. It was kind of like
I was looking up through a portal where people were
stood up and looking down on me. And there are
these beings that I'd listen into, like they were all conversing,
talking about something, and eventually they would talk to me,
and in these meetings, I could understand everything they were saying,
but they weren't using words like I'm using with you now.
They would just have these knowings. They would pass and
I used to call them the sky doctors because I
felt like when I left hospital, the physical doctors were
there to make sure my body was getting better, and
they did a great job with that. I felt like
the sky doctors were thereafter just to continuously check up
on me, to make sure that okay, I was thrust
out of my body I returned back. I think they're
just trying to make sure that I'm settling in okay,
because I was still quite young then in this life.
So yeah, when I would walk away from these meetings,
I mean these meetings would last between five and ten minutes,
and eventually my friends just got used to me walking away.
They didn't really question that too much. I used to
walk away just feeling at peace. It's like I had
a moment of just fresh clean air in my heart,
and each time I would meet them, I'd feel just
a bit better. The trauma that stayed in my body
and my mind, it's got a bit better over time.
So yeah, I mean those the experience that I had
during the ND maybe introduced me into other things I
would later speak to. So I heard that in some
way answers your question.
Speaker 1: It does? It unpacks a lot. Can one of the
things that I've always well, I in my research and journey,
what I've learned, I've come through a lot of spirituality
and training. Well, one thing that I've always heard about
is that we have our higher self, you know, the
as you mentioned, there's this spiritual aspect on the other
side and poking through into our bodies here while we
experiences these lifetimes. But that higher self always has all
the knowledge everything and is part of everything else. And
I wonder if you're in your state, you're physically being
downloaded with information or that as you move further your
mind was opening up to just accept the information that
was already there.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that is interesting because it did affect the
way my brain worked. I mean, there's downloading information physically
into your bodies and your brain's you know, the neuron
connecting with neuron to converge and retain that information. The
information I received wasn't in the brain. It was direct
to whatever it is that I am sat within this
vessel ultimately and effect the way my brain worked quite
a lot. When I was a kid, no surprise, I
was bullied quite a lot. There was something about me
that me that made people feel a little bit uncomfortable.
Like I wasn't ever rude. I was an extremely polite child,
maybe too polite for most people, quite frankly, mainly because
I didn't want to offend anybody because I'd already been
through so much trauma. The natural response to trauma is
to try and be as nice as you can because
you don't want to deal with another bad situation. You
just want everything to be okay and just be a
normal kid. But some kids, well a lot of kids
just felt quite uncomfortable and they couldn't put their finger
on it then, and I didn't know as well, because
I just thought maybe I am just a horrible kid.
But it seemed to be like as I converse with
people and got to know people over time, there was
something in me that was more like a mirror. If
you had something bad to come out, it's going to
come out in some way or form. And some people
would tell me things that maybe they wouldn't tell most
other people, like quite personal things. Sometimes they felt naturally
comfortable tell me. Some people would tell me certain things
that they maybe didn't want to tell me, hence why
they responded in anger. So I don't know what it
is that kind of left me with some sort of
a portal of some sort. And I'm not special in
any way. I'm not saying that at all, But I
just seemed to be something that it's almost like an
invitation to tell, to share. It's it's really weird, but
I try to ignore it for much of my childhood
and my teenage years and pretty much my early adulthood
because I didn't want to be that weird kid anymore,
that that kid that people constantly bestued and harassed because
they didn't understand what it was. The naturally their response
is to respond with anger and hate and all that
kind of thing. But yeah, I almost tried to just
hide it. Now, there's at one point point that I
became atheist as well. I did the exact opposite of
my religious years, and I spent time as an atheists,
and I do have respect for the people why they are.
You know, atheists, and atheism isn't exactly a belief system,
as we all shouldn't really know. It's more of a saying, Okay,
you believe in X, Y, and Z. Basically, you can't
present me with ex information. I'll deny that basically until
they proved me otherwise. I mean, that's quite reasonable proposition.
But I was more in that way because I wanted
just to forget all the crazy, crazy things that I
saw that nobody will be able to help me to
even begin to understand, because being an atheist then meant
that I'm denying what I've seen as an experiencer, right,
and it gave me some relief at first, but eventually
over time I had no choice because it all came
knocking on the door. Because subsequently I ended up living
in a very haunted property following an end as well, though,
but that's another part of the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let me comment that when you're talking about
people seem to be attracted to you and telling you
things that maybe they wouldn't otherwise, I mean I've I
look at it that we're all energy, and we all
exude energy, you know, out of these meat suits that
we're wearing, and good, yes, good if you're generating that
kind of positivity. Yeah, I mean what you put out
you attract back. And I think with your experience it
could be that you know, it changed you vibrationally, your energy.
If we have auras, whatever it is, it affects other
people and they may be attracted to that energy, which
makes them more comfortable to say things they normally wouldn't
or you know those people who are saying things that
they really don't want anybody else to know and they
get angry. But yeah, it's it's like energy attracts and
whatever you're putting out, you're pulling back in from other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you made really good point about vibration, and that's
something I've been I have a better understanding of that
now because, as you can probably hear, I do speak
very quickly, and believe it or not, I used to
speak a hellleve a lot more quickly than I do now,
and I've had to actually for my podcast, really I've
had to learn how to speak once again in a
way that people are able to better comprehend because coming
out of that experience, my vibration was so high that
my poor mouth. No, it doesn't help having an Oxford
accent as well, because it's very peculiar. It does take
a long time to get through certain things. But but
the rate in which I spoke for many years, like
people would just be baffled. Sometimes it will come out
so fast they'll have to re say what I just
said numerous times until they eventually got it. And I
used to get so embarrassed with that. Quite frankly, is
that's something wrong with me? Like I kept being checked
like was it brain damage from the accident though? But
now I passed the checks. I was fine. I mean,
it's weird because my mum was warned that I was
to come out of the because I was so badly damaged.
Talia Frankenstein. The best way I can describe it that,
you know, she was worn that I would have brain damage,
that I wouldn't be able to walk, Like, but here
I am today. I'm walking.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I love going on long, long treks because every time
I walk, I remember how lucky I am to be
here and I can do these things. My cognition back
then was fine. I passed the checks of you know,
the physical brain that is. But I used to speak
so incredibly quickly. And yeah, like I say, recently, i've
been learning to talk again. I do believe now rather
than me saying it seeing it as an imperfection or
a fault within myself, is simply a consequence of being
brought up to a higher vibration and then being thrust
back into your body again and having to live in
this world all over again. So it's taken me a
good believe it's in not thirty five years to learn
how to speak properly again in a way that's better
for people to comprehend. And that takes a lot of work.
I've embarrassed myself numerous times over the years to get here,
but I had to just trust in myself and go it. Look,
you can only really break through this barrier if you
simply forgive yourself for everything that's been through. It's not
your fault what you've been through, and you should stop
seeing these things that you've been gifted as another problem
to deal with. And it's really about owning owning those
upgrades basically and utilizing them for the better. So now
I speak to people on my podcast from all over
the world, all walks of life, and offer them a
not opportunity to do what I did basically and share
that story, make peace with it, and also if they've
already made peace with it, educate others with their discoveries,
and ultimately it's about breaking the barriers between each of us.
We may all come from different belief systems, different backgrounds,
but whether you believe in this God or that God,
or don't believe anything at all, or just ask spiritual,
whatever you may be, we all encounter the paranormal, and
we should stop really building these barriers around each other
and just simply accept each other, learn from each other.
You don't have to be believe in everything that's presented,
but breaking the barriers I do believe is, you know,
a pathway to a more peaceful world, because our whole
world is pretty much built upon Trent, the whole tribalistic concepts,
and there were no barriers to begin with. So, like
I say, the paranormal is just another you know the
word paranormal, That is, it's just another barrier between you
and knowing.
Speaker 1: Knowing about reality the way it really works, yes, yes,
and how connected we are still to that side. Most
people think it's a separate thing when they will die
and they'll go over there, when they don't realize they're
actually still over there. It's just a piece of that
of who we are over there is here having this
human experience, and it's it's amazing sometimes. I'm I'm curious
with you when you mentioned the sky beans in your youth,
do you have you ever had more encounters with them
in your life or was it just for that period
when you were in school.
Speaker 2: The sky doctors were with me for much of my
primary school years, so that was up till when I
was about twelve years old. So yeah, between the age
of five and twelve, so that's when I began to
become a teenager, they no longer needed to visit. I
just knew that I was okay without them, And yeah,
my teenage work years were quite tumultuous, but I had
enough healing to begin to be able to operate here again.
I have had meetings with mysterious strangers since, and they
do feel like they're of the same vibration as them,
but maybe operating in different ways. Where I'd meet certain
people or that would lead me in a certain direction,
which is interesting. So actually, I do have a couple
of stories to share with you here. Actually, if that's okay,
relating to this going.
Speaker 1: To those, yes please, that's actually something that I've looked
into relatively recently with some friends of mine who had
similar experiences. So yes, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well you could we could call these beings angels maybe.
I mean, I've people put all sorts of words on things.
I mean, either way, they seem to be of a
much higher vibration, with much greater insight to the world
around us. Really can see far further in their perspective.
So yeah, still an instance, I remember many years ago,
basically I've been with this girl for many years and
I thought she was amazing, the best person ever. And yeah,
long story short, she wasn't as much and I traveled.
I used to travel to the train to see her.
She lived many miles away, so that I'll be like
a three hour train rider there and three out hour
back and that was my dedication. Yeah, I didn't have
much money back then as well, so I don't know
how on earth I've forwarded that, but either way, Okay,
Well I discovered something and I thought, Okay, I can't
be with this person anymore. I can't trust that person anymore.
So me being me and the way that I was raised,
I decided to take one last train ride to split
up properly, to say okay, well, thank you, a wish
you all the best, and that's that really, because it's
just the polight thing to do. It's not as if
it was, like you know, ending terribly in that regards.
But yeah, a long story. Sure she didn't want to
talk to me, that person that would be been with
me for many many years. Didn't you want to answer
the door despite saying yeah, okay, let's do this properly,
which is very strange, but yeah, as you can imagine,
I was heartbroken. And I made my way back to
the train after only arriving there half now before, really
to go back home, and I made sure to enter
a carriage that was completely empty because I was in
one hell of a funk. You know, I just wanted
to just let out all the anger and frustration and hurts,
but keep it to myself, really like, because I don't
like to spread it with people. I embarked from the
station and it left I think at about five ten
minutes after it left the station, a lady and her
daughter appeared, seemingly out of nowhere because there were doors
between the carriages, and when they opened, it used to
be so loud. It used to like grind back was
and forwards. It was like this old train. But I
didn't hear anything. And then suddenly these two women appeared,
and this lady sat specifically next to me, even though
it was a completely empty train. She sat directly next
to me, and her daughter sat on the seat just
on the other side of the the walkway. And I thought, okay,
that's a bit kind of annoying. Really, I thought it
could just at least give me some space. But I
didn't say anything, and I smiled and just didn't say anything.
And then she just started to talk to me, and
she introduced me to her daughter. So, my daughter studying
at Birmingham University and she's doing this and this and this,
and my name is such inserption. I come from this place.
And she just kept going on and on and on.
Like I say, this was a three hour I think
at the time it was like a three hour journey.
Then going back us three hours A constant conversation mostly
one way, and about an hour into this constant conversation
that this lady would not relent, I began to kind
of talk to her, and I began to move out
of this feeling of hurt and desperation. Helped ever trust
anyone again, all that kind of drama, And I began
to talk to her with bits and pieces, not really
giving too much. And another hour or so went by,
and eventually I found we just arrived at the station,
like time to seem to have sped up. And we
arrived at Oxford station and it was busy, like there's
one platform to get onto and it was completely packed
with people. And I got up and said, yeah, nice
to meet you, and began to pack my bag away,
and I heard the train door open. And what you
would have to do is kind of like Moses parting
the Red Sea. Really is split the people out the
way so you could lead, because they were right at
the door, and I heard them disappear, and then I
turned around and people were still there, as if no
one had left yet. The lady and her daughter disappeared.
I mean, yeah, I could say that maybe I didn't
look properly, who knows, but they just seemed to have
disappeared at the time, and I looked over at the
station and to see where they could have gone. But yeah,
like I don't know what on earth happened. The weird
thing was, you know, after I parted the red sea
of people and stepped onto the station, I had this
overwhelming feeling of absolute joy, like an adulterated, pure childlike joy,
Like something told me it's going to be okay, Like
she wasn't worth it. Your life is going to begin
right now. And I questioned it at first because my
logical mind was going, Okay, well, you're just trying to
cushion yourself to support yourself either way, that's fine, but
I wouldn't take it too seriously. Then that feeling got
stronger and stronger as I less the station, and what
happened was a period of literally a month. I at
the time, I was a failed designer, like I was
trying to get into the design industry. Nobody would have me,
like I'd been interviewing for literally years and had almost
given up. I was invited to my very first design
interview about three or four days later from a job
that I applied to like many weeks before that never
got back to me and got my first job. My
design career started out of nowhere, Like, I don't know
how on earth that happened. A few days later, sorry,
excuse me, sorry, A couple of weeks later, I met
who is my now wife, And yeah, I mean our
first few dates could have been terrible. I think our
first date was supposed to be two hours. We ended
up spending the entire day in Oxford constantly drink drinking coffee,
probably a dangerous amount coffee, to be fair, because our
conversation just wouldn't stop. But she came out of nowhere.
My life since it has been great, Like the best
thing that has ever happened to me was that that
lady doing what she did. Though, But whoever they were
that met me on the train, Like whether they be
people of this world who've maybe been pushed into doing
a certain thing, or they were maybe angels, who knows,
but either way, me meeting those people seem to have
signified a completely different polar shift really in my life,
Like my life opened up and has been opening for
many years since.
Speaker 1: Put you where did.
Speaker 2: They come from?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, definitely, yeah, you know what a life changing
moment going up there now when you were going up there,
and just so I understand the three hour train ride,
you were going to meet her, but then she the
one woman, but she dumped you pretty much, or or
you were riding back.
Speaker 2: Well, I discovered something that would cause our relationship to
when let's just say, without going in to the detail,
but I said like, hey, like I'm heartbroken. No, but
and this properly and do the right thing and all that.
So everything was all agreed and all that. I made
my way up and she just refused to speak to me.
Then I think it was maybe in guilt, I don't know, embarrassment,
who knows, But looking back at it now, it shows me, Okay,
that's the person the way they were then anyway, they
weren't right for me. Maybe I wasn't right for them,
who knows. But either way, no, I don't hold it
any anger towards that person at all really, But ultimately,
we have these meetings with strangers and they just seem
to set your trajectory. They pass you through into the
right direction, maybe give that the nudge that you need.
And yeah, if they are real people out there, and
if they're listening to me, now, thank you very much.
I never will forget them. But and that's the kind
of person I like to be for other people, Like
sometimes I'll say the right things at the right time,
maybe nudge them so I can maybe do the work
that they do too. And if you don't mind, I
I have a second story linked to that, if that's
all right. I'm full of a lot of stories tonight. Okay,
another interesting meeting. It's basically for a few years and
I've been with my wife for a while and we
were having our first child and it wasn't a bit
of a rush because it all happened very quickly. So
I drove over to the hospital and it was a
bit of a rush, bit of a panic really, And
as I arrived, there was some issue with the parking
system at the hospital and there was a whole queue
of cars coming in, the whole cure cars in the
car park that couldn't leave, so everybody was jammed. It
was just an absolute nightmare. And I thought, Okay, I
can't leave my car to take her, because the moment
I walk away from my car, my car will getting
pounded and taken away. So I was just stuck and
I didn't know what to do. And my poor wife
was thinking, okay, let's just dump the car and run
like I'm going to have to trance this now. And
the weirdest thing was I was in a queue of cars.
I wasn't the first in the queue. Out of nowhere,
this old lady came to our car specifically. It wasn't
as if I was making obvious we're in a panic though,
because we're inside the cars, you couldn't have seen much.
But she came to our car specifically and said, there's
a space in there. Would you like to have my space?
And I wound down the window. I said, oh my god,
thank you so much, because my wife's and labor at
the moment. Can you you know, can you show us? Well,
oh yeah, definitely, definitely, And I managed to cut around
the line and scooch over between the cars that were waiting,
and she took me over to her little secret space,
and yeah, I made my way in there. And I
just got out the car and turned to say thank
you to the lady. She'd gone. And the weird thing was,
I'd assume that for her to be in the car park,
she had to be in the car, so for her
to leave the car park, she would have had to
leave through the exit and the exit was blocked and
no cars could leave at that that time. Or could
she have been a stranger that just happened to walk
through and go, Okay, I'm going to help that one
random stranger. Maybe. But the weirdest thing was Yeah, like
I said, as I pulled into the car, I could
see her in my mirror and I jumped out of
the car meeting me. I'd like to make sure I'm
polite and thank people straight away. I got out of
my car and went to go and thank her, and
she'd just yeah, say gone, So who was it? And
I got my wife to the emergency room in time
to have the baby delivered. They take a while. Admittedly
that's a but we could have been the situation where
things could have got very dangerous if I couldn't get
her to the right nurses and time. Yeah again, wherever
that lady is out there, human or not, thank you.
Speaker 1: I have heard quite a few stories like this. My
friend Irene, as I mentioned over in the UK, she's
told a very wild story once and I won't get
into it because it's her story to tell, but it
was almost the exact same situation where somebody just came
out of nowhere in a time of need help them,
and then when they turned to thank the person, they vanished.
They weren't there anymore. It's incredible synchronicity. You don't know
if it's if it's so called angels or I say
so called because I have a problem with the idea
of the traditional view of angels. But obviously some type
of this is where puts your mind. Some type of
entity is able to come into our dimension, interact with
us to a certain extent, help set things right or
make things good, and then they vanish. And you know,
I do believe they are from another dimension, whether it's
what people would consider to be the other side heaven
or or whatnot, that there are entities looking out for
us and helping us along our way. And your couple
of examples were just perfect examples of what can happen.
The fact that the lady on the train you just
set everything right for you. You know, you had that bad
experience and then within a couple of two weeks you
had a job that you wanted and you met someone
who you'd be with so for for the rest of
your life.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just said, so far just not drink set.
So thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I've had a couple of my own experiences there,
so but fantastic. Now, you also mentioned that you lived
in a haunted house before.
Speaker 2: What was that like, Yeah, it's it's not fun. I
can definitely say that basically linking into my NDE, what
I met at the hospital begun to materialize into something.
And my first meeting was still at the hospital. Something
was at the end of my bed. I remember one
evening feeling a weight at the end of my bed
and this was, you know, in quite a dark room.
I could see the nurses station to the right of
me just lit up, but the other kids were sleeping
at that time. And yeah, I looked at the end
of my bed and I could see like a dark
object just above the protective bar. There's like a protective
bar at the edge of like most beds anyway, like
with your the clipboard and all that. Yeah, I see
something just at the end that that's dark. And it
eventually moved up and up and up, and I could
see the texture of this like burnt skin, and I
eventually saw a head and some shoulders, and from the
dark itself, I could see two white eyes just about
coming out of the dark, just fixated just on me,
and I felt completely frozen. It was like, I don't know,
it had some power over me. I couldn't physically move,
and I wanted to scream to get the attention of
the nurses, and I couldn't. My voice was taken away
and I could not move. And I actually drew a
picture of this while ago, which maybe will share with
you exactly how this thing looked. And this thing like
it was so powerful, like it could literally hold your
body in place. And I don't know what happened that.
I think eventually I did pass out, but I remember
being in utter and total terror. And fast forward to
eventually when I left the hospital, this thing followed me home.
It began to show itself in a way of noise.
What happened is I lived in the house with my
mother and my sister. We had like a single parent household,
and we heard whistling in the street, and I thought
it was our neighbor. He's quite a musical person, though
maybe he does whistle, we assumed, and we heard it
on and off every so many nights, and eventually we
started hearing whistling inside of our house, and there are
times where I thought, maybe it's my sister playing jokes
on me. And then that's where I remember that she
can't whistle, and I don't think she still can to
this day, despite being an adult, you know, but still, Yeah,
it was strange, like whistling would appear in different rooms
and eventually got closer and closer to us, to the
point where my sister would hear it. I would hear
it at the same time. It will be like it
was emanating from the center of the room. It was
so loud, and eventually it got more and more confident
where friends would come over to our house and they'd
hear the whistling, and eventually people just got used to it,
this strange noise emanating from nowhere. And at that time
I was having night terrors, so I'd wake up in
the night screaming. Obviously this is the psychological trauma of
the accident. I'd wake up screaming in the night, and
I remember before my Mum could get to me, and
it's like two o'clock in the morning, like the early hours,
he was there in the corner of the room, just
stood there, watching, motionless. But I could still move at
that point, it didn't have power over me in that regards.
He was just there and there'd be a few nights
after where I would do the same thing and he
would just be there watching, and other activity began to escalate.
We'd have music that was a new thing at the time.
I remember one night waking up at about about three
o'clock in the morning to the sound of a party,
and I thought our neighbor was having a party next
door that they hadn't told us about, and opened the
window to check to see which house it was coming from.
I realized actually was coming from inside my room, and
I tried to listen as carefully as I could, and
it was just loud enough where I could hear it
was coming again from the center of the room. And
I've heard about the stone tape theory, like people say
that sound noises can be recorded through stone over time.
But it was interesting I was emanating from the center
point of the room. I did check at the time
to see is it coming from event nearby? It could
be traveling through different systems, but no, I could hear
it in that night. It was horrifying, you know, as
you can imagine, it's just unexpected out of nowhere, like
I could hear people laughing very old music, like you
know old like you know, violins and saxophones and trumpets,
and it's like the little kind of band was playing,
and I'd hear glasses clinking and wine spilling, and it
was quite jovial, the best way I can describe it, though,
but because of the surrealness of it, it made it
very sinister. And yeah, that would happen quite a few
nights a week. Eventually, I just got used to it, though.
It'd wake me up in the night, and sometimes it
almost was comforting because it was actually it was nice music.
Eventually I kind of got used to that. I suppose
I was still having night terrors here and there. I'd
wake up and yeah, he would be there again.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of observations that I'd like to make.
Of course, I know that people in your situation, whether
it's because of an ND, maybe they're having abduction experiences,
something that helps trigger someone's psyche psychic abilities, their energy,
and all of a sudden it starts to attract these
negative things and they show up two to scare you,
to intimidate you. Maybe their goal is to keep you from,
you know, moving forward with it. One thing I've never
really understood, honestly, because I've never in all my years
of investigating, there were only two times I came across
something that was a little negative, but nothing like like
what you're describing. And sometimes I struggle understand it because
in nature, in this world, there's nothing evil, no animal,
no plant, no nothing. They just do what they do.
And some people might think, you know, if you're an
African and you're getna eaten by the lion, that the
lion is evil, but the lion is just doing what
it's doing. There's no good, there's no evil. It's our
perception of it. So when it comes to these types
of very negative entities, I just I question it. I
wonder why it is the way that is some of
these entities that attach onto people people like to call demons.
I hate that word because they act like what I
would consider paranormal parasites. They come into someone's lives, turn
them upside down, make that person afraid, or start to
get into bad negative behaviors. And these things feed on
it like a mosquito, like like like I forget what,
but it's just it's just a parasite feeding off of that,
and the more you feed it, the stronger it gets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've hit the knell on the head there. That's yeah,
very well said. Actually, this thing was exactly that. It
was a parasite that there are when you when you
enter the in between. I from my first time experience. Again,
I'm not a believer or a nonbeliever. I'm an experience.
So there's a third state people don't tend to talk
about where you're presented with empirical evidence of I've literally
seen X, Y and Z. So this is whether you
like it or not, that's that's what it is. And
minus stunning is there isn't in between where you know.
It's between where we go to and where we've been.
Of course it's liminal. It's kind of like you know
that you know the limit, Like you describe one room
and another room. In between is a hallway. That hallway
isn't a place you spend much time, and it's not
intended to be that way, but either way, you need
to pass through that hallway to get to where you
need to be. It's the same way here, like there
seems to be a place just outside of time, and
I do believe like it's like I was at the
edge of time, like things were just distorting, and like
this world but just falling apart, that there is something there,
maybe guarding your entrance or deciding whether you're ready to
move on or to go back. Who knows, But there
seems to be something there. And there are things out there,
and like you say, they're neither good nor bad. Good
and evil is a human concept. We're putting measures and
labels on things because it makes us feel like we
have control. We decide what colors are called, we decide
what countries are called, we decide what the clothes that
we're wearing a card. We put labels on everything to
make us feel better about the fact that we don't
know everything. And like I say, there are things out
there that are outside of our comprehension, upside of our
understanding that or have always been. And when you come
out there, sorry, once you enter the in between come back,
you attract their attention. They're fascinated by you because you've
done what shouldn't happen. And yeah, I don't know where,
I don't know whether I did dying wrong, basically, whether
I was supposed to die, and I just came back
and whatever it might be, but either way, I do
believe I was meant to come back, right and this
thing followed me. It was fascinated by me, And yeah
it did cause chaos. I go into this in my
book anyway. So I mean, this is part of a
much bigger story. It's so complex, really, but in short,
it affected the characteristics of the people around me. So
I used to work at a local retail store, and
hopefully you can imagine like the way it was then.
Obviously I was a lot smaller and much more timid,
like a teenager really, and I was so ultra polite
with everybody. I was as helpful as I could be,
you know, It's just the way I was raised. And again,
in consequence of trauma, it's a psychological response, and people
used to just explode at me. And this, unfortunately is
part of the retail experience because I always say, like
anyone checkout or till, treat them with absolute respect there
because they do have to deal with a lot, really
really in the day to day. But what I had
to deal with was very abnormal. It will be uninstigated
moments where could we say a customer came in I
remember a while ago actually he for some reason he
left his bread on the floor. This was like a
sealed piece of bread. Naturally I would pick it up
because it's not hygienic. And he said to me, don't
squash my bread. And I said to him, well, now
I found this on the floor. Would you like me
to get you another piece of bread? No? No, you're
trying to steal my bread. And I thought, that's a
strange response. And out of nowhere, this customer like picked
up his two baskets full of food as if it
was going to attack me with them, ran down this
walkway and I was actually at the time stacking freezers
full of food, and he cornered me in this freezer
and was right in my face, see things, spitting with anger,
shouting all sorts of things at me. Like it was
a really weird response. But I remember looking in his
eyes and the like it was looking like looking at
a dead dead body, as the best way can describe.
And night I have unfortunately seen one in my life, though,
but it was like looking at a dead body. There
was nothing in there, and he was just he was escalating, escalating,
getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse,
and it was weird how nobody nearby was reacting, like
this isn't normal. Is anyone going to help? But no, nothing,
So I just refused to do anything. So I just
stood there and made him realize that he had no
power over me. And then he stopped eventually, and I
saw his eyes like the light returned to his eyes,
and he dropped the baskets to the floor, and it
almost seemed like there was some humility coming to him,
like he felt really embarrassed. He never said sorry, he
refused to, but he was in a state of shock himself.
And these things would happen here and now where people
would suddenly escalate out of the blue. And when that
first began to happen, I just thought, maybe I'm just
a bad kid. Maybe I need to try even harder
to be extra nice. And over time I began to
realize that something is going on that isn't right. And
it was at school as well. People used to really
focus on me at school, and the same thing where
I'd have teachers who I would go to saying, Okay,
I'm having trouble with my math's homework, can you help me?
That's all I said. Teacher responds to me by slamming
the chair down, throwing his pencils and pens across the table,
flipping a table over again. I remember the look in
his eyes like nobody was there, and there was this
pattern that grow and grow and grow. And yeah, it
wasn't particularly great school, I admit though, But I don't
think the teachers were that nasty really, But people would
just keep doing that time and time again, and it's exhausting.
It sounds it hurts a lot, though, but yeah, but yeah, sorry,
go on.
Speaker 1: It sounds almost like, you know, a temporary possession of
some sort.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but I think I might be wrong. Maybe I
am just that annoying you. I admit I am quite annoying.
I ask lots of questions. That's the kind of person
I am. But yeah, but not things just don't seem right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now what you're describing, No, there's ah. I'm very
fascinated by all of this and the experiences you had.
Now we are coming up on the hour here, so
I would love to have you back sometime and we
can talk some more time. Yes, your book paranormality, where
can people find that?
Speaker 2: So the book's available for pre order. It's coming out
in March twenty twenty six, though it's about three months
ago now, so you can pre order it on Amazon
and your local book retailer. Is available world sorry, it
will be a way available worldwide, so I'm happy to
share some link with you if you guys want to
take a look at it, though, But ultimately, I'm not
here just to sell a book to make money. That's
not what really this is about. This is really about
educating the world that these things do happen. And it's
absolutely okay to talk about these kind of things because
the more we talk about these kind of things, the
more that we help each other to heal, the more
that we realize that all of our differences that divide
us don't exist. You know, we've all been told these
different things to believe and the way, you know, a
certain way to see the world. Let's I say, and
once we break through these barriers, we begin to become
better people. And despite all these you know, sorry about
all the scariest stories I know, but yeah, despite all
these scariest stories I've told you, it's made me a
far more compassionate person about the human experience. Compassionate towards
myself as well, because I've forgiven myself and it's not
as if I should have to forgive myself. Well, I
forgave myself for things that I had no control love
and say to myself, it's okay. You didn't need to
be so hard on yourself. You didn't need to blame
yourself all those years. And I'm hoping this book may
teach others to that may be going through a paranormal
experience of their own. Really, So, like I was supposed
to say, we're here to believe you kind of thing.
Is that kind of attitude, like you're not here to judge,
We're here to believe you, We're here to help you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and what is your podcast again? And where?
And when can people hear that? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, and you're welcome to come on it. Anyone's welcome
to come on it of any background really. So it's
called Paranormal excuse me, Paranormal Perspectives. And yeah, it's all
free to watch, you know. I make a point saying
it will always be free. I'm not there to make
money for it from it though. It's about educating people
about these different experiences though, So yeah, you can watch
it on YouTube, Spotify, I think, Apple, podcasts, and various
different formats for free to take a watch. Let us
know what you think really, and like I said, if
you want to be part of it, send me a
message and we'll organize something.
Speaker 1: I think I definitely will. Well, Stan, thank you so
much for coming on the program. This has been very
informative and definitely would like to hear more in the future,
so you know, we might be coming on each other's
shows again.
Speaker 2: Here, so welcome to Thank you for you know, offering
me the opportunity really, and I just can't believe I'm
actually starting here telling the story really after all these years,
so I appreciate it with me having the conversation with
you as part of me healing too, So thank you
for that.
Speaker 1: Oh sure there's your thing. Thank you for coming on
this program. Well, that was a great first interview. I
really really enjoyed his stories and there's a lot of
truth in everything he had to say. We definitely are
going to schedule more interviews with Stan in the future
because he has a lot of stories to tell and
definitely looking forward to his book Para Normality when it
comes out in March, so until then, thank you all
for tuning in and be sure to catch us here
on YouTube or on the Paranormal UK Radio Network at
wwwp A uk radio dot com. So until next time,
you'll be good humans and we'll talk to you again soon.
Bye bye,