1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,919 in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world. 3 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:38,200 Hello everyone, welcome to trans Dimensional Realities. I am your host, 4 00:00:38,359 --> 00:00:43,240 Melissa Lee, and this is the premiere episode of this 5 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:49,520 new video podcast. We'll be promoting the video on YouTube 6 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,600 and the audio will stream out on the Paranormal UK 7 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Radio Network. So welcome to the first show. We've got 8 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,320 a great guest lined up for you to but before 9 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:04,560 we get started, I wanted to talk a little bit 10 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,200 about what the show is going to be about. This 11 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,079 isn't just another paranormal show. We're going to be talking 12 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,359 about all sorts of different, wild and weird and sometimes 13 00:01:16,359 --> 00:01:21,200 scary things that are part of our everyday reality. I 14 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,560 call it transdimensional reality because what is really out there 15 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,719 really does expand beyond dimensions and what we think of 16 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,159 as reality, what we've been taught since childhood is just 17 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:40,400 a sliver of what is out there. It's like looking 18 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,319 at the light spectrum, the electromagnetic spectrum. You have the 19 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,640 visible light spectrum, which is about this big, and then 20 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:53,560 the rest of the spectrum stretches out so wide, either 21 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,319 into the infrared or ultraviolet and there's a lot more 22 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,519 out there. Then we realize a lot of people have 23 00:02:03,599 --> 00:02:08,639 had weird experiences that they can't explain, and most of 24 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,400 these experiences tend to lie on the outside of our 25 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:19,240 view of reality. Most people either dismiss it or ridicule 26 00:02:19,319 --> 00:02:26,159 it because it conflicts with their beliefs. And you know, 27 00:02:26,599 --> 00:02:29,639 with this show, we're not looking to change anybody's mind. 28 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:33,400 We're not trying to force our opinions on you. I 29 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:40,560 just want this show to be educational, informative, and just 30 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,199 give you something to think about as you're moving forward 31 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,759 with this very weird world we're currently in. And there's 32 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,400 going to be a lot of different guests we're going 33 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:54,159 to have on that's going to cover so many of 34 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:58,599 these topics. So strap yourselves in as we get ready 35 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:04,280 for our first get tonight. Our guest is Kieran Stanislaw 36 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:10,439 Mace and he is a graphic designer and author, podcaster 37 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:17,759 and artist. He hosts the Paranormal Perspectives podcasts, and he 38 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:25,639 is also an author of a book, para Normality, Normalizing 39 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,680 the Paranormal. So, Hi, Stan, welcome to the program. 40 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me. Excited to have this conversation. 41 00:03:33,879 --> 00:03:36,759 Speaker 1: Oh yes, me too. I'm looking forward to it. This 42 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,240 is our premiere show. So just so you know a 43 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,240 little bit about me. I've been in the paranormal for 44 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,159 many years. I've done other podcasts as well, so this 45 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,919 is a new new endeavor for me. So could you 46 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,719 tell our audience just a little bit about your background 47 00:03:57,039 --> 00:04:00,800 and why we're going to talk today. 48 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:02,919 Speaker 2: Of course I've said before I start, good luck on 49 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,719 your endeavor. Best of luck to you. I'm sure you're 50 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:07,479 going to do very well. So yeah, a little bit 51 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,120 about me. My full name is Kieran standard slav Mace. 52 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:12,800 I come from Oxford, as you can hear by my accent, 53 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,879 grew up there most of my life, and it was 54 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,040 Oxford where I encountered the paranormal for the first time. 55 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,319 My story comes from a NDE near death experience that 56 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,480 I experienced when I was at the young age of five, 57 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,199 thrust me into the unknown ultimately. Currently, by day at 58 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,759 the moment, I'm a graphic designer, but also by night 59 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,040 I'm making it sound like I'm Batman now anyway, but 60 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,040 by night I'm a podcaster, I'm an author, and I'm 61 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:44,279 an artist. So yeah, that starts me a long and 62 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:46,519 short and very much a family man with two very 63 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:47,120 lovely kids. 64 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nice, very nice. So you've also written a 65 00:04:54,319 --> 00:05:01,399 book called para Normality, and you could let's talk a 66 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:03,920 little bit about that. What brought you to bring to 67 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:07,279 write that book? And then I definitely want to get 68 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:08,800 into your near death experience. 69 00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, So Paranormality it's written in a very 70 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:15,319 strange way. I don't know if you notice on the 71 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:19,240 cover we have power and normality. So, of course paranormality 72 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,519 ultimately being the parallel to normality. So the book is 73 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:27,360 about posing the question who considered what is normal? So 74 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,360 because of my personal experiences, I began to realize that 75 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:33,480 the parallel to normality is more normal than you think. 76 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,639 That's the idea. So the book itself, it's an account 77 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:43,079 of my very very strong experiences, very visceral experiences I 78 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,720 started to have from the age of five and furthermore 79 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,319 kind of going through my life into a teenager and 80 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,720 to a man and realize that, well, keep being told 81 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,199 this thing only happens to very select people. You're not 82 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,199 allowed to talk about the paranormal fact, but yet I 83 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:02,240 see it more often than I would like. And yeah, 84 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,160 the mission of the book is really not just something 85 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:07,800 an account. It's an invitation to the unknown. It's an 86 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,079 invitation for you to question your own reality. And you're 87 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,839 welcome as a reader of the book to question the stories. 88 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: You know. 89 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: It's what I would welcome skeptics, I would welcome believers. 90 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,240 The whole point is you decidedly got on your own 91 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,920 what you believe, and if you're not entirely sure going 92 00:06:26,959 --> 00:06:29,480 out and starting that adventure that we're all welcome to 93 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:32,360 embark on to know more about the world, to know 94 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:35,399 more about the unknown, because you know, I believe the 95 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:38,439 word paranormal is a misnomer really, you know, it is 96 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:41,399 very much normal, like I say, And removing the fear 97 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:45,839 of the paranormal itself and the stigma around that invites 98 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:49,079 you to be more open to adding to your data sets, 99 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:52,800 so to speak, your comparables, to maybe get a better 100 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,199 understanding of who you are and where you sit within 101 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,199 the universe. So it's not a standard ghost story. It's 102 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,560 is a ghost story in some parts. There are some 103 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,639 scary stories in there, but it is very much an 104 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:05,120 invitation into the unknown. 105 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,759 Speaker 1: Well, it falls right in exactly with the goal of 106 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,920 this program because with all the experiences I've had, I've 107 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:24,560 learned that reality is much more broader and weirder, wonderful 108 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,000 and scary at the same time then we realize, because 109 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,959 we're just looking at what we're taught growing up, what 110 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,600 paradigms we believe in, and it's usually a very thin 111 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:41,319 point of view, and there's so much going on all 112 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,399 around us. Most people either just don't want to acknowledge 113 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:47,959 it or afraid of it it goes against their beliefs. 114 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,279 So but I very much am interested in all of 115 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:59,519 the weird, high strangeness experiences that we've had in life. 116 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,040 And I've had my fair share of my own too, 117 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:05,279 So so let me. 118 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: Have to hear it. 119 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: Let me ask you then about your near death experience 120 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:18,959 at age five. Yeah, what happened there? And what did 121 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:21,879 you experience? Yeah? 122 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: Of course, as you can imagine, it's quite an emotional 123 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:27,000 story to tell, and it's a story I kept to 124 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,199 myself and much of my life. I've brought up in 125 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,600 a religious in the religious world, I was told the 126 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:37,720 way the world is supposed to be, and I soon 127 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,279 found that, at the very young age of five, that 128 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,720 there is more to this world. There's more behind the veil. 129 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,639 So to speak. And it's only been until the last 130 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:48,679 year or so that I began to share that story 131 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,000 more publicly through this book and through my podcast to 132 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,080 show people it's okay to talk about these things. This 133 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,000 is all part of healing. And you know, it very 134 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,360 much left me with PTSD many years and eventually that 135 00:08:59,399 --> 00:09:03,159 developed into complex PTSD as well. It's it's not fun 136 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,480 and it's not something I would wish on any child, especially, 137 00:09:06,519 --> 00:09:08,399 you know, looking at my two kids today, like, I'm 138 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,480 so grateful that they didn't. I haven't experienced what I've 139 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:16,519 seen really, so so my end happened in the nineties, 140 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,240 so that's you know, quite some time ago, and it 141 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:19,720 shows how old I am as well. 142 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: So we started. 143 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,399 Speaker 2: They always say ages but a number. Really it's just 144 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,919 our body that is aging ultimately over time, but we 145 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,279 are forever people. 146 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, people, people say age is just a number. In 147 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:35,960 my case, it's a pretty big damn number. 148 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,399 Speaker 2: So yeah, finally you look great. 149 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:41,279 Speaker 1: Well. 150 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: So it's when I was living in Oxford and I 151 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,240 was on the way to visit my grandmother. We were 152 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,080 crossing a road a junction at the time, and it 153 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,759 was a green light for pedestrians to cross red light 154 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:55,600 for cars to stop, and there were two or three 155 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,440 cars stopped at the junction, and we just began to 156 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,480 cross the road and it was just me and my mum. 157 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:05,120 I was just halfway across the road. And from this 158 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,080 point everything is ingrained in my memory in the most 159 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,320 ridiculous amount of detail, really, and hence why he gives 160 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,639 you PTSD really so so yeah. To the right of me, 161 00:10:14,919 --> 00:10:17,080 just before this thing happened, I heard a woman's voice 162 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,320 in my ear, my right ear, saying you shouldn't be here. 163 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,559 And just as I heard this voice come to a close, 164 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,639 everything went black. And what I didn't know at the time, 165 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,720 my car had run the red light, going at full speed, 166 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,559 overtaking all the vehicles, and they had hit me head 167 00:10:34,639 --> 00:10:38,039 on and just only just narrowly missed my mother behind me. 168 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:41,600 And without going into too much detail, I was in 169 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,600 a very very bad way, and I'll never forget my 170 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:48,399 body being that severely broken and being in that much pain. 171 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,360 I was thankfully helped by members of the public. They 172 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,480 came over to assess me, call an ambulance, and also 173 00:10:57,519 --> 00:10:59,639 apprehend the man that was trying to escape the scene. 174 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,879 The man ran me over. He was trying to make 175 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:04,200 his way out, and of course helped my mother at 176 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,279 the time. So as you can imagine, the situation was 177 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:09,720 just all over the place. Cacophonic would be the word. 178 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,200 So yeah, I remember being rushed to the hospital and 179 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,759 was taken to the emergency room to have my first 180 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:22,759 major operation. Everything was a blur at that time, and 181 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:27,600 at some point I found myself standing in the hospital. Previously, 182 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,200 my legs were completely broken. They were like noodles essentially, 183 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,360 was a horrible detail. Yeah, previously they were broken. Yet 184 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,559 suddenly I was stood. I didn't question it at first. 185 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,279 I just thought I just got up out of bed 186 00:11:40,519 --> 00:11:44,200 and was walking around. But something seemed a bit strange 187 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,559 in this moment, because reality seemed to be a bit off. 188 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,639 I felt there was a different weight to this world, 189 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:53,200 like there wasn't gravity, but I was kind of held there, 190 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,600 and like colours looked a bit different. But I noticed 191 00:11:57,639 --> 00:12:00,279 that my vision was ultra sharp. I could see every 192 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,039 last little grain of detail in the ground, in the walls, 193 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,480 and I kind of came to realize I stood in 194 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:10,000 the hospital hallway. My instinct was to find my mum. 195 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:13,120 Naturally you would do that at that age, So I 196 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:15,720 walked towards the first opening, and it was a doorway 197 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:17,960 into one of the rooms where one of the kids 198 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,200 were being looked after in this pediatric ward. And I 199 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,159 remember specifically waving at this kid and he didn't respond, 200 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:26,960 and I thought, you can see me, I'm right here, 201 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,480 So I waved at him again and I shouted to 202 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:33,200 him and nothing. I thought, that's strange. And I walked 203 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,399 a bit further on and I saw a doctor walk 204 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,240 past me, and I waved at him as well, and nothing. 205 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:40,200 I saw a nurse walk past me, and I tried 206 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,720 to grab her jacket as she walked by, and she 207 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,320 walked straight past me. And it just got weirder and 208 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,519 weirder as I walked past room after room trying to 209 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:53,639 get the attention of these kids. And it's that feeling 210 00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:56,279 of being lost in like in this liminal place that 211 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,639 you don't know why you're there, you can't explain why. 212 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:02,679 You can me walk again, like my pain had gone, 213 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:06,159 and mind synct again was to find my mum. So 214 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,679 I walked down this hospital colic corridor. Further along, I 215 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,960 turned left and turned right and just memorizing all the details. 216 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,159 It's really weird that I can remember the posters on 217 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,279 the wall, the cracks, the broken objects, the different medical equipment, 218 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,320 and eventually I found my way to this room. And 219 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,240 at first it looked like some sort of a storage 220 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:32,320 room as I approached it, because I could see through 221 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,919 this glass window and I could see there was some 222 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,480 depth in there. But something was almost pulling me there. 223 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,120 And I walked into this room. The door was already 224 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,840 open as well, and I noticed that something was in 225 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:50,120 there that I didn't understand. And this is where I 226 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:54,440 begin to struggle to explain what this thing was. In 227 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,440 this room, I remember seeing there's storage cabinets, medical medical equipment, 228 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:03,360 and this wall of holes, lots of large, deep holes 229 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,919 with pieces of metal sticking out of them, which looks 230 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,639 very strange. But in this room, I felt like there 231 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:12,480 was something so incredibly vast, yet at the same time 232 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,159 I couldn't see it. It's a hard thing to explain. 233 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:18,720 Like imagine like an object moving so fast that you 234 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,639 know it's there, but it's moving so fast it's beyond 235 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:23,399 your vision. It's like at a vibration that's higher and 236 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:25,799 you can understand. I hope that kind of makes sense there. 237 00:14:25,799 --> 00:14:30,879 But it felt very imposing, like almost like you're embracing 238 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:33,000 a planet. Really, it's something that is so fast beyond 239 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:36,440 you that whatever it was kind of sucked me in 240 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,000 and it was like being pulled into a black hole, really, 241 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,360 and I had this most immense download of information. I 242 00:14:45,399 --> 00:14:51,679 was showed many different places, planets, places and space cities, 243 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,039 some cities long gone, and people, and it was like 244 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,080 it was too much information, like an overloaded socket. Basically 245 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,519 too much electricity shooting through you is the best way 246 00:15:02,519 --> 00:15:04,879 you can describe it. And it got faster and faster 247 00:15:04,919 --> 00:15:08,000 and faster and faster and faster, and it was as 248 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,759 if far as beginning to comprehend like infinity, like everything 249 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,639 was everything, and I became like one with everything. And 250 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:18,960 it was only scary for me at the time because 251 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,799 it was just the overlad. I don't think whatever was 252 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,840 there was bad or good. It was just there. It 253 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,759 just always has been, whatever it is. And I remember 254 00:15:29,759 --> 00:15:33,360 one particular part of this vision. I was flying through 255 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,320 the sky and I saw as I approached this walkway 256 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,159 over this lake. It was a really unusual scene actually, 257 00:15:40,159 --> 00:15:42,159 because nearby I could see this train yard and a 258 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,759 bridge going over it. This bridge kind of crossed over 259 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:48,279 the yard went down with these steps and then onto 260 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,639 another another bridge that was elevated over this waterway, and 261 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,240 I slowly landed on this bridgeway again. I could see 262 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,440 all the details. I could see the chain link fence, 263 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:01,600 all the cracks and like everything, see everything, every molecule 264 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:05,000 in the water, like every molecule in the leaves. It's 265 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,080 just it's so bizarre. But as I landed, I could 266 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,120 see there were these teenagers on the bridge and they 267 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,559 were wearing these hoodies. I think they were dressing dressed 268 00:16:13,559 --> 00:16:16,799 in white, wearing kind of like tracksuits, and that's where 269 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:19,120 I can describe it really, but either way, they were 270 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,799 the first people that noticed that I was there, because 271 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,200 as I landed, like one of them jumped as I approached, 272 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,559 and then I tried to get his attention and then 273 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,320 he couldn't see me again. But something made this person 274 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:32,960 like jump. I don't know what happened, really, but it 275 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,759 is at that point I began to think of my 276 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,240 mum again, and I was called back to where I 277 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:40,440 was in the hospital again, and I furthermore had this 278 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,720 big download of information, getting more and more and more. 279 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:46,000 I was being shown shown all these places again and 280 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,480 taken all over the universe, and eventually I just wanted 281 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,039 to scream and I couldn't. I couldn't. I didn't physically 282 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:54,759 have a voice box to scream, but I wanted to 283 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:57,600 scream and I couldn't, And I just thought of my 284 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:00,840 mum's face, and I was immediately transported back into my body, 285 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:03,960 and it felt like I'd been out there in this 286 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,839 you know, in between for a long long time. It 287 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:11,799 felt like anything between like a second to years to centuries. 288 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,759 It's really weird to describe when you're in a place 289 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:19,119 that has no time. But I came back and I 290 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,920 must have woken up, and it had been a couple 291 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,799 of days where I've been into at least two or 292 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:28,279 three operations to stabilize the body, and I saw that 293 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:30,519 my legs were in casts. I had one leg was 294 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:32,559 when I was suspended up in the air with metal 295 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,839 rods sticking through to obviously fuse the bones together, so 296 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,839 I physically couldn't have walks. So I assumed at first 297 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:42,880 that was a dream, and I just continue with life 298 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:45,519 from there, like just going through the agony of all 299 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:47,880 the treatments, the various drugs that had to take at 300 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,279 the time to keep my body, you know, my mum 301 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:51,920 was there every step of the way, like my mum 302 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,119 is like my true superhero, Like I don't think I 303 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,279 would have survived as well as I would have without 304 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:00,640 her there. She never less left my side for weeks, 305 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:06,039 and yeah, I got better and better and better, and 306 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:12,279 eventually I was invited on this little trip from this nurse. 307 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,519 She said, hey, look, you're doing a bit better now, 308 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:18,000 Like would you like a change of scenery? And I thought, well, great, okay, 309 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:20,319 if you can and peel me off this bed, then yeah, 310 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,160 I have at it. And yeah, she did struggle a 311 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,799 bit though, because I was quite heavy, I admit, but yeah, 312 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:28,960 she lifted me into this wheelchair and bless her, and 313 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,759 she took me on a stroll of this hospital. And 314 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,839 just as I entered the first hallway, I thought, I 315 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,599 know this place. This was my dream. And as I 316 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,119 went by the different openings to the different the rooms 317 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,519 where different kids were. That was the first kid I saw. 318 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:49,440 That was the second kid I saw. I saw the posters, 319 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,039 I saw the cracks in the wall that I saw 320 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:55,000 in this dream. And the stranger thing is I told 321 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:57,400 this lady where to go left, right, And eventually I 322 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,000 found myself looking at the room, I saw and met 323 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,680 this entity, and it was through this security gate, but 324 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,720 you could see through this window. And there's a reason 325 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:10,160 why there was a security there is because it was 326 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,960 a morgue. For some reason. I found myself in a 327 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,799 morgue in the other world, other side, or whatever you 328 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:18,880 would do to describe it. And that's when I realized 329 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,200 that all of this aligned with this so called dream. 330 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,880 And that was my first experience of what psychologists call 331 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,759 ontological shock. It's this realization that your reality, your known 332 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:32,839 reality before, is now no longer relevant. It's been overlaid 333 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:35,200 with something entirely new, and it's a lot to comprehend. 334 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,799 So I naturally screened the house down, as you would imagine, 335 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:41,119 and the poor nurse had no idea what was going on, 336 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,319 bless her, and so yeah, she eventually took me back 337 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,599 and assumed it was maybe the psychological trauma eventually does 338 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,480 hit you when you begin to be more kind of 339 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,839 together in the mind, and yeah, I try to continue 340 00:19:54,839 --> 00:19:58,599 with my treatments and the last part of this NDE is. 341 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:00,319 Speaker 1: Well. 342 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,839 Speaker 2: A couple of years later, after I left hospital was 343 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,759 doing much better. I was out in Oxford with a 344 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:08,599 friend of mine and anyone knows the city of Oxford 345 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:10,799 work very well. It's worked very well, known for traffic 346 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,920 and us being as we thought, okay, well, rather than 347 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,680 going the main way, we'll use the secret way in. 348 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,279 And there are all these paths on the outskirts of 349 00:20:20,319 --> 00:20:26,680 Oxford called the Devil's Backbone, interestingly interestingly titled. So I 350 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,960 took that way in with him to avoid all the traffic, 351 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:33,599 and it was my first time doing that, and followed 352 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:35,440 the path along. It took a while to get there, 353 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,680 and I thought, no, okay, well, I'm looking forward to 354 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,880 going into Oxford, maybe doing some swimming there. It's going 355 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,240 to be worth it. And suddenly I saw this image. 356 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,119 I saw the walkway that went up over the train yard. 357 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,119 As I took the i think the final step up 358 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,240 to the top, I realized that everything perfectly aligned with 359 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,400 the thing that I saw during my nde that over 360 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,559 the train yard and down a few steps was the 361 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:04,519 big lake with the chain link fence, the path that 362 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:06,759 headed over the sorry of the bridge that went over 363 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,480 the lake, all perfectly aligned. And again, onto logical shock, 364 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:14,240 I froze. My poor friend had no idea what was 365 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:18,480 going on. I just froze and couldn't stop shaking, and 366 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,319 again it showed to me that you seem to be 367 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,640 able to exist without your body. And that's what I've 368 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,480 been doing over the last few years, really is just 369 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:29,839 getting a better understanding of that event that kicked off 370 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,359 my paranormal journey, and also get a better understanding of 371 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,279 the fact that consciousness doesn't seem to be localized. And 372 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,440 I questioned how consciousness seems to work. But at the moment, 373 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,599 I'm currently arriving on the fact that we're kind of 374 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,480 like radios. We have a form of consciousness transmitted into 375 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:49,480 this vessel that we're in currently kind of like you're 376 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:54,599 driving a car. Really that there are situations in this 377 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,519 life where you can temporarily leave and gather that, you know, 378 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,440 external data, the information that comes with that. But yeah, 379 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,559 I mean there's a realization that we are more than 380 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,960 what we are and at least a positive out of 381 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,640 this experience was before I had this NDE, I wasn't 382 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:16,119 creative out of all the operations I had and whatever 383 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,920 it was that happened with this big download, I seemingly 384 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,160 just turned into an artist. I furiously drew all the 385 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,000 way through hospital to try and stem the pain. It's 386 00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:27,319 kind of like I'll say, it's like a blood letting 387 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,519 of pain. Really, the more I drew, the more I 388 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:31,559 forgot about the physical pain that I was going through, 389 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,359 and that's what led me into the career that I 390 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,839 have today. Really, I'm an artist, I'm a designer in 391 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,160 the day. It's like it's a gift that I'm really 392 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,160 lucky to have. This thing kind of sent me back 393 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,839 with this extra cognition that I'm able to perceive things differently. 394 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:48,839 I seem to be able to somehow acquire information at 395 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:52,400 the right place at the right time. And yeah, I 396 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,319 mean imagine being that kid coming back to life in 397 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,880 this world, having to fit into the life that you 398 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,400 had before, and being in a situation where you can't 399 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,559 really talk to other people about these kind of things 400 00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:05,839 because it will be seen as bad or evil or 401 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,279 anything that is a parallel to their understood reality. It 402 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,920 scares people, and I get why because they thought that way, 403 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,079 and it's not their fault. But it's taken me many, 404 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:17,799 many many years to be at. 405 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: Peace for that. 406 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,839 Speaker 2: Like, Okay, I have that experience, It's not my fault. Ultimately, 407 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,119 it's the fault of the person that hit me. With 408 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:29,200 the car really, but anyway, but any people make mistakes, really, 409 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,400 But yeah. 410 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: Well I was going to make a comment two things. Well, 411 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,799 first of all, when you said you really weren't creative 412 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:41,839 before this happened, but you were also only five, so 413 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,720 you had a long way to go to come in 414 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:49,359 to yourself. But I do believe the indie definitely opened 415 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,880 up a lot of things for you. The other thing 416 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,200 I have is during the NDE, at any point, did 417 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,480 you ever interact or see anybody else or was it 418 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,119 just you traveling through these different areas and then having 419 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,799 the major downloads because a lot of people who have 420 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:12,799 indies described meeting spiritual beings, other people family. 421 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good question. I mean, for one, yes, 422 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,720 you're right, I wasn't, you know, I didn't have many 423 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:25,759 years in this life to know who was truly, But 424 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,160 I wasn't really interested in art at that age. Yet 425 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,480 suddenly I was furiously interested in have been ever since. Really, 426 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,119 I'm not sure you know what was it trauma? Was 427 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,839 it a gift from the other side? I just don't 428 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:45,480 know either way. Yes, it's hard thing to answer, really, 429 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:48,599 because all I know is I didn't I didn't enter 430 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,720 the other side and meet deities other people would hopefully 431 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:55,240 hope that would meet. At the time I worshiped Jesus. 432 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,960 That was just part of my upbringing. I didn't meet 433 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,440 that person there, doesn't I sortainly mean whether that's you know, 434 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,960 that person is real or not, I'm not, you know, 435 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,799 not debating that, of course. But all I knew is 436 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:09,119 I met something that was so vast and maybe I 437 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,319 would describe it as a singular being, but the way 438 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:13,240 in which I connected to it, I felt like it 439 00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:18,359 was everything. So I've deliberated as to whether it's you know, 440 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,319 is it the gatekeeper at the edge of time, basically 441 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,160 the person that maybe takes you to the beyond, because 442 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,960 I was ready to go at that point, but I 443 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,160 eventually decided, Okay, I want my mum, this is the 444 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,319 life that I chose to have. I'm gonna, you know, 445 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:37,160 stick it through. But yeah, Ice, the information download was 446 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,200 so fast. I can't say whether I remember all the 447 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,519 people that I met out there. Over the years, as 448 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:48,240 I began to delve into those memories, it's slowly unpacked. 449 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,160 Over time, I've remembered more things, I've been able to 450 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,240 connect to more things from that experience, but what one 451 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,440 in particular, If you don't mind me take downing a 452 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,319 little link to this story. Was roughly about a couple 453 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,920 of years after I came back from this experience. I 454 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,640 was at school then, trying to be a normal kid. Basically, 455 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,279 the beings that I met, they'd eventually come to me. 456 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,039 There are these moments where I'd speak to people that 457 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:20,160 I used to call the sky doctors. I didn't tell 458 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,920 anybody then, because yeah, I didn't want to give the 459 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,200 wrong impression. But it's strange because I used to be 460 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,079 This particular meeting used to happen about three to four 461 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,880 times a week roughly, usually when I was at school. 462 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,079 Interestingly enough, usually lunchtimes, I'll be out in the grass 463 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,279 playing with my friends, just having fun, and I had 464 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,160 this feeling that I need to walk away and take 465 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:47,359 just a moment aside. I used to walk away from 466 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,000 my friends and just lie in the grass, and I 467 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,279 instinctively used to just look up at the sky and 468 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,000 listen to the vibrations of the planes flying by. And 469 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,680 when the planes left, I could still hear these vibrations 470 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,079 getting louder and louder, and what I would see is 471 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,960 an opening in the sky. It was kind of like 472 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,960 I was looking up through a portal where people were 473 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,839 stood up and looking down on me. And there are 474 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,400 these beings that I'd listen into, like they were all conversing, 475 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,319 talking about something, and eventually they would talk to me, 476 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:24,400 and in these meetings, I could understand everything they were saying, 477 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,240 but they weren't using words like I'm using with you now. 478 00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,720 They would just have these knowings. They would pass and 479 00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:33,039 I used to call them the sky doctors because I 480 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,240 felt like when I left hospital, the physical doctors were 481 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,160 there to make sure my body was getting better, and 482 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,400 they did a great job with that. I felt like 483 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,279 the sky doctors were thereafter just to continuously check up 484 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,839 on me, to make sure that okay, I was thrust 485 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,440 out of my body I returned back. I think they're 486 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,359 just trying to make sure that I'm settling in okay, 487 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,279 because I was still quite young then in this life. 488 00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:56,279 So yeah, when I would walk away from these meetings, 489 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,799 I mean these meetings would last between five and ten minutes, 490 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,880 and eventually my friends just got used to me walking away. 491 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,039 They didn't really question that too much. I used to 492 00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:08,279 walk away just feeling at peace. It's like I had 493 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:12,839 a moment of just fresh clean air in my heart, 494 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,160 and each time I would meet them, I'd feel just 495 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,359 a bit better. The trauma that stayed in my body 496 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,880 and my mind, it's got a bit better over time. 497 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,400 So yeah, I mean those the experience that I had 498 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,720 during the ND maybe introduced me into other things I 499 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,519 would later speak to. So I heard that in some 500 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:32,519 way answers your question. 501 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:40,119 Speaker 1: It does? It unpacks a lot. Can one of the 502 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:44,519 things that I've always well, I in my research and journey, 503 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,720 what I've learned, I've come through a lot of spirituality 504 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:54,240 and training. Well, one thing that I've always heard about 505 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,960 is that we have our higher self, you know, the 506 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,480 as you mentioned, there's this spiritual aspect on the other 507 00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:06,039 side and poking through into our bodies here while we 508 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,440 experiences these lifetimes. But that higher self always has all 509 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:17,039 the knowledge everything and is part of everything else. And 510 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,799 I wonder if you're in your state, you're physically being 511 00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:27,599 downloaded with information or that as you move further your 512 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,279 mind was opening up to just accept the information that 513 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,079 was already there. 514 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that is interesting because it did affect the 515 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,559 way my brain worked. I mean, there's downloading information physically 516 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,200 into your bodies and your brain's you know, the neuron 517 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:49,480 connecting with neuron to converge and retain that information. The 518 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,240 information I received wasn't in the brain. It was direct 519 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,000 to whatever it is that I am sat within this 520 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,680 vessel ultimately and effect the way my brain worked quite 521 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,240 a lot. When I was a kid, no surprise, I 522 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,559 was bullied quite a lot. There was something about me 523 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:11,200 that me that made people feel a little bit uncomfortable. 524 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:14,200 Like I wasn't ever rude. I was an extremely polite child, 525 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,920 maybe too polite for most people, quite frankly, mainly because 526 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,039 I didn't want to offend anybody because I'd already been 527 00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:23,799 through so much trauma. The natural response to trauma is 528 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,519 to try and be as nice as you can because 529 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:28,200 you don't want to deal with another bad situation. You 530 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,880 just want everything to be okay and just be a 531 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,240 normal kid. But some kids, well a lot of kids 532 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,440 just felt quite uncomfortable and they couldn't put their finger 533 00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:37,880 on it then, and I didn't know as well, because 534 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,720 I just thought maybe I am just a horrible kid. 535 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,880 But it seemed to be like as I converse with 536 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,559 people and got to know people over time, there was 537 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,519 something in me that was more like a mirror. If 538 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:50,039 you had something bad to come out, it's going to 539 00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:53,000 come out in some way or form. And some people 540 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,680 would tell me things that maybe they wouldn't tell most 541 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,160 other people, like quite personal things. Sometimes they felt naturally 542 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,039 comfortable tell me. Some people would tell me certain things 543 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,799 that they maybe didn't want to tell me, hence why 544 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,519 they responded in anger. So I don't know what it 545 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,079 is that kind of left me with some sort of 546 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,079 a portal of some sort. And I'm not special in 547 00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:15,559 any way. I'm not saying that at all, But I 548 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,039 just seemed to be something that it's almost like an 549 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:24,559 invitation to tell, to share. It's it's really weird, but 550 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,279 I try to ignore it for much of my childhood 551 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,200 and my teenage years and pretty much my early adulthood 552 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,799 because I didn't want to be that weird kid anymore, 553 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,440 that that kid that people constantly bestued and harassed because 554 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,920 they didn't understand what it was. The naturally their response 555 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,799 is to respond with anger and hate and all that 556 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,240 kind of thing. But yeah, I almost tried to just 557 00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:48,839 hide it. Now, there's at one point point that I 558 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:50,920 became atheist as well. I did the exact opposite of 559 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,799 my religious years, and I spent time as an atheists, 560 00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:56,279 and I do have respect for the people why they are. 561 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:02,079 You know, atheists, and atheism isn't exactly a belief system, 562 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,240 as we all shouldn't really know. It's more of a saying, Okay, 563 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,680 you believe in X, Y, and Z. Basically, you can't 564 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,319 present me with ex information. I'll deny that basically until 565 00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:15,200 they proved me otherwise. I mean, that's quite reasonable proposition. 566 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920 But I was more in that way because I wanted 567 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,279 just to forget all the crazy, crazy things that I 568 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,599 saw that nobody will be able to help me to 569 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,960 even begin to understand, because being an atheist then meant 570 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,519 that I'm denying what I've seen as an experiencer, right, 571 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,599 and it gave me some relief at first, but eventually 572 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,400 over time I had no choice because it all came 573 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,759 knocking on the door. Because subsequently I ended up living 574 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,960 in a very haunted property following an end as well, though, 575 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000 but that's another part of the story. 576 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:51,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let me comment that when you're talking about 577 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,720 people seem to be attracted to you and telling you 578 00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:00,519 things that maybe they wouldn't otherwise, I mean I've I 579 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,480 look at it that we're all energy, and we all 580 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,000 exude energy, you know, out of these meat suits that 581 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:14,920 we're wearing, and good, yes, good if you're generating that 582 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:19,200 kind of positivity. Yeah, I mean what you put out 583 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,440 you attract back. And I think with your experience it 584 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,920 could be that you know, it changed you vibrationally, your energy. 585 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,240 If we have auras, whatever it is, it affects other 586 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:37,680 people and they may be attracted to that energy, which 587 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,680 makes them more comfortable to say things they normally wouldn't 588 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:46,200 or you know those people who are saying things that 589 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,559 they really don't want anybody else to know and they 590 00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:53,720 get angry. But yeah, it's it's like energy attracts and 591 00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:57,079 whatever you're putting out, you're pulling back in from other people. 592 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you made really good point about vibration, and that's 593 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:04,400 something I've been I have a better understanding of that 594 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,960 now because, as you can probably hear, I do speak 595 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:09,679 very quickly, and believe it or not, I used to 596 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,840 speak a hellleve a lot more quickly than I do now, 597 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,559 and I've had to actually for my podcast, really I've 598 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:16,800 had to learn how to speak once again in a 599 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,159 way that people are able to better comprehend because coming 600 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,239 out of that experience, my vibration was so high that 601 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,280 my poor mouth. No, it doesn't help having an Oxford 602 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,599 accent as well, because it's very peculiar. It does take 603 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,679 a long time to get through certain things. But but 604 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,119 the rate in which I spoke for many years, like 605 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,559 people would just be baffled. Sometimes it will come out 606 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,360 so fast they'll have to re say what I just 607 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,880 said numerous times until they eventually got it. And I 608 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,760 used to get so embarrassed with that. Quite frankly, is 609 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,440 that's something wrong with me? Like I kept being checked 610 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,320 like was it brain damage from the accident though? But 611 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,519 now I passed the checks. I was fine. I mean, 612 00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,400 it's weird because my mum was warned that I was 613 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,480 to come out of the because I was so badly damaged. 614 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,159 Talia Frankenstein. The best way I can describe it that, 615 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,719 you know, she was worn that I would have brain damage, 616 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,039 that I wouldn't be able to walk, Like, but here 617 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:11,079 I am today. I'm walking. 618 00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: You know. 619 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,159 Speaker 2: I love going on long, long treks because every time 620 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,000 I walk, I remember how lucky I am to be 621 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:19,480 here and I can do these things. My cognition back 622 00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:21,440 then was fine. I passed the checks of you know, 623 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,000 the physical brain that is. But I used to speak 624 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,280 so incredibly quickly. And yeah, like I say, recently, i've 625 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,440 been learning to talk again. I do believe now rather 626 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,440 than me saying it seeing it as an imperfection or 627 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,440 a fault within myself, is simply a consequence of being 628 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,679 brought up to a higher vibration and then being thrust 629 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:44,440 back into your body again and having to live in 630 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,360 this world all over again. So it's taken me a 631 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,000 good believe it's in not thirty five years to learn 632 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:53,280 how to speak properly again in a way that's better 633 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,159 for people to comprehend. And that takes a lot of work. 634 00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:59,239 I've embarrassed myself numerous times over the years to get here, 635 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:01,840 but I had to just trust in myself and go it. Look, 636 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,480 you can only really break through this barrier if you 637 00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,280 simply forgive yourself for everything that's been through. It's not 638 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,719 your fault what you've been through, and you should stop 639 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,880 seeing these things that you've been gifted as another problem 640 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,440 to deal with. And it's really about owning owning those 641 00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,400 upgrades basically and utilizing them for the better. So now 642 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,079 I speak to people on my podcast from all over 643 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,760 the world, all walks of life, and offer them a 644 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,199 not opportunity to do what I did basically and share 645 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,320 that story, make peace with it, and also if they've 646 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,159 already made peace with it, educate others with their discoveries, 647 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,880 and ultimately it's about breaking the barriers between each of us. 648 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,960 We may all come from different belief systems, different backgrounds, 649 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,239 but whether you believe in this God or that God, 650 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,760 or don't believe anything at all, or just ask spiritual, 651 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,960 whatever you may be, we all encounter the paranormal, and 652 00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:57,840 we should stop really building these barriers around each other 653 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,800 and just simply accept each other, learn from each other. 654 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000 You don't have to be believe in everything that's presented, 655 00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:06,199 but breaking the barriers I do believe is, you know, 656 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,880 a pathway to a more peaceful world, because our whole 657 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,239 world is pretty much built upon Trent, the whole tribalistic concepts, 658 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,480 and there were no barriers to begin with. So, like 659 00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,480 I say, the paranormal is just another you know the 660 00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:23,199 word paranormal, That is, it's just another barrier between you 661 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,239 and knowing. 662 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: Knowing about reality the way it really works, yes, yes, 663 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,960 and how connected we are still to that side. Most 664 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,719 people think it's a separate thing when they will die 665 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,320 and they'll go over there, when they don't realize they're 666 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,079 actually still over there. It's just a piece of that 667 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,119 of who we are over there is here having this 668 00:37:50,719 --> 00:38:00,840 human experience, and it's it's amazing sometimes. I'm I'm curious 669 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:05,920 with you when you mentioned the sky beans in your youth, 670 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,480 do you have you ever had more encounters with them 671 00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:12,840 in your life or was it just for that period 672 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,119 when you were in school. 673 00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,159 Speaker 2: The sky doctors were with me for much of my 674 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,599 primary school years, so that was up till when I 675 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:26,079 was about twelve years old. So yeah, between the age 676 00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:29,559 of five and twelve, so that's when I began to 677 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,039 become a teenager, they no longer needed to visit. I 678 00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,320 just knew that I was okay without them, And yeah, 679 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,000 my teenage work years were quite tumultuous, but I had 680 00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:44,519 enough healing to begin to be able to operate here again. 681 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,800 I have had meetings with mysterious strangers since, and they 682 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,840 do feel like they're of the same vibration as them, 683 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,719 but maybe operating in different ways. Where I'd meet certain 684 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,920 people or that would lead me in a certain direction, 685 00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,000 which is interesting. So actually, I do have a couple 686 00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,119 of stories to share with you here. Actually, if that's okay, 687 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,880 relating to this going. 688 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: To those, yes please, that's actually something that I've looked 689 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,280 into relatively recently with some friends of mine who had 690 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,239 similar experiences. So yes, go ahead. 691 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:26,039 Speaker 2: Well you could we could call these beings angels maybe. 692 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,679 I mean, I've people put all sorts of words on things. 693 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,119 I mean, either way, they seem to be of a 694 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,360 much higher vibration, with much greater insight to the world 695 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,039 around us. Really can see far further in their perspective. 696 00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:44,000 So yeah, still an instance, I remember many years ago, 697 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,320 basically I've been with this girl for many years and 698 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,119 I thought she was amazing, the best person ever. And yeah, 699 00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:55,280 long story short, she wasn't as much and I traveled. 700 00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,320 I used to travel to the train to see her. 701 00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,840 She lived many miles away, so that I'll be like 702 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,320 a three hour train rider there and three out hour 703 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,920 back and that was my dedication. Yeah, I didn't have 704 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,199 much money back then as well, so I don't know 705 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,960 how on earth I've forwarded that, but either way, Okay, 706 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,400 Well I discovered something and I thought, Okay, I can't 707 00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,960 be with this person anymore. I can't trust that person anymore. 708 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,360 So me being me and the way that I was raised, 709 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,519 I decided to take one last train ride to split 710 00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:22,360 up properly, to say okay, well, thank you, a wish 711 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,199 you all the best, and that's that really, because it's 712 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,599 just the polight thing to do. It's not as if 713 00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:28,440 it was, like you know, ending terribly in that regards. 714 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,800 But yeah, a long story. Sure she didn't want to 715 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,519 talk to me, that person that would be been with 716 00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:34,199 me for many many years. Didn't you want to answer 717 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:36,880 the door despite saying yeah, okay, let's do this properly, 718 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,199 which is very strange, but yeah, as you can imagine, 719 00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:42,719 I was heartbroken. And I made my way back to 720 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,559 the train after only arriving there half now before, really 721 00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:49,679 to go back home, and I made sure to enter 722 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,079 a carriage that was completely empty because I was in 723 00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:53,880 one hell of a funk. You know, I just wanted 724 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,159 to just let out all the anger and frustration and hurts, 725 00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,000 but keep it to myself, really like, because I don't 726 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:04,440 like to spread it with people. I embarked from the 727 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,559 station and it left I think at about five ten 728 00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:12,559 minutes after it left the station, a lady and her 729 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:16,800 daughter appeared, seemingly out of nowhere because there were doors 730 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,920 between the carriages, and when they opened, it used to 731 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,039 be so loud. It used to like grind back was 732 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,800 and forwards. It was like this old train. But I 733 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,719 didn't hear anything. And then suddenly these two women appeared, 734 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,039 and this lady sat specifically next to me, even though 735 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:33,039 it was a completely empty train. She sat directly next 736 00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:35,960 to me, and her daughter sat on the seat just 737 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,679 on the other side of the the walkway. And I thought, okay, 738 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,360 that's a bit kind of annoying. Really, I thought it 739 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,960 could just at least give me some space. But I 740 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:47,199 didn't say anything, and I smiled and just didn't say anything. 741 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,119 And then she just started to talk to me, and 742 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,320 she introduced me to her daughter. So, my daughter studying 743 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,840 at Birmingham University and she's doing this and this and this, 744 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,599 and my name is such inserption. I come from this place. 745 00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,480 And she just kept going on and on and on. 746 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,679 Like I say, this was a three hour I think 747 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,440 at the time it was like a three hour journey. 748 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,239 Then going back us three hours A constant conversation mostly 749 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,840 one way, and about an hour into this constant conversation 750 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,400 that this lady would not relent, I began to kind 751 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,039 of talk to her, and I began to move out 752 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:20,360 of this feeling of hurt and desperation. Helped ever trust 753 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,559 anyone again, all that kind of drama, And I began 754 00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:26,920 to talk to her with bits and pieces, not really 755 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,440 giving too much. And another hour or so went by, 756 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,280 and eventually I found we just arrived at the station, 757 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,440 like time to seem to have sped up. And we 758 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,880 arrived at Oxford station and it was busy, like there's 759 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,639 one platform to get onto and it was completely packed 760 00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:47,239 with people. And I got up and said, yeah, nice 761 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,000 to meet you, and began to pack my bag away, 762 00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:54,960 and I heard the train door open. And what you 763 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,960 would have to do is kind of like Moses parting 764 00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:58,719 the Red Sea. Really is split the people out the 765 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,880 way so you could lead, because they were right at 766 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,519 the door, and I heard them disappear, and then I 767 00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,519 turned around and people were still there, as if no 768 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:11,360 one had left yet. The lady and her daughter disappeared. 769 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,039 I mean, yeah, I could say that maybe I didn't 770 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,800 look properly, who knows, but they just seemed to have 771 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,639 disappeared at the time, and I looked over at the 772 00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:21,480 station and to see where they could have gone. But yeah, 773 00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,400 like I don't know what on earth happened. The weird 774 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,719 thing was, you know, after I parted the red sea 775 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,159 of people and stepped onto the station, I had this 776 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:36,320 overwhelming feeling of absolute joy, like an adulterated, pure childlike joy, 777 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,440 Like something told me it's going to be okay, Like 778 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,440 she wasn't worth it. Your life is going to begin 779 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,159 right now. And I questioned it at first because my 780 00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:49,840 logical mind was going, Okay, well, you're just trying to 781 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,079 cushion yourself to support yourself either way, that's fine, but 782 00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:56,280 I wouldn't take it too seriously. Then that feeling got 783 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,159 stronger and stronger as I less the station, and what 784 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,159 happened was a period of literally a month. I at 785 00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:06,000 the time, I was a failed designer, like I was 786 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,280 trying to get into the design industry. Nobody would have me, 787 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,840 like I'd been interviewing for literally years and had almost 788 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,480 given up. I was invited to my very first design 789 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,719 interview about three or four days later from a job 790 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,400 that I applied to like many weeks before that never 791 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,159 got back to me and got my first job. My 792 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,679 design career started out of nowhere, Like, I don't know 793 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,119 how on earth that happened. A few days later, sorry, 794 00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:31,239 excuse me, sorry, A couple of weeks later, I met 795 00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:36,719 who is my now wife, And yeah, I mean our 796 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,760 first few dates could have been terrible. I think our 797 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,039 first date was supposed to be two hours. We ended 798 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,239 up spending the entire day in Oxford constantly drink drinking coffee, 799 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,079 probably a dangerous amount coffee, to be fair, because our 800 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,440 conversation just wouldn't stop. But she came out of nowhere. 801 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,000 My life since it has been great, Like the best 802 00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:56,639 thing that has ever happened to me was that that 803 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,280 lady doing what she did. Though, But whoever they were 804 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,000 that met me on the train, Like whether they be 805 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,360 people of this world who've maybe been pushed into doing 806 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,119 a certain thing, or they were maybe angels, who knows, 807 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,400 but either way, me meeting those people seem to have 808 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,280 signified a completely different polar shift really in my life, 809 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,880 Like my life opened up and has been opening for 810 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:18,719 many years since. 811 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: Put you where did. 812 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,519 Speaker 2: They come from? 813 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, definitely, yeah, you know what a life changing 814 00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,440 moment going up there now when you were going up there, 815 00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,519 and just so I understand the three hour train ride, 816 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,760 you were going to meet her, but then she the 817 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,320 one woman, but she dumped you pretty much, or or 818 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,800 you were riding back. 819 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:49,119 Speaker 2: Well, I discovered something that would cause our relationship to 820 00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:50,960 when let's just say, without going in to the detail, 821 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,000 but I said like, hey, like I'm heartbroken. No, but 822 00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:56,559 and this properly and do the right thing and all that. 823 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,639 So everything was all agreed and all that. I made 824 00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:01,320 my way up and she just refused to speak to me. 825 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,239 Then I think it was maybe in guilt, I don't know, embarrassment, 826 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,639 who knows, But looking back at it now, it shows me, Okay, 827 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:10,639 that's the person the way they were then anyway, they 828 00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:12,599 weren't right for me. Maybe I wasn't right for them, 829 00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:15,440 who knows. But either way, no, I don't hold it 830 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,360 any anger towards that person at all really, But ultimately, 831 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,320 we have these meetings with strangers and they just seem 832 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,079 to set your trajectory. They pass you through into the 833 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,400 right direction, maybe give that the nudge that you need. 834 00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,440 And yeah, if they are real people out there, and 835 00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:36,280 if they're listening to me, now, thank you very much. 836 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,119 I never will forget them. But and that's the kind 837 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:41,679 of person I like to be for other people, Like 838 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,639 sometimes I'll say the right things at the right time, 839 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,199 maybe nudge them so I can maybe do the work 840 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,559 that they do too. And if you don't mind, I 841 00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:51,000 I have a second story linked to that, if that's 842 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,519 all right. I'm full of a lot of stories tonight. Okay, 843 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,199 another interesting meeting. It's basically for a few years and 844 00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:03,559 I've been with my wife for a while and we 845 00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:07,599 were having our first child and it wasn't a bit 846 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,440 of a rush because it all happened very quickly. So 847 00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:12,920 I drove over to the hospital and it was a 848 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,639 bit of a rush, bit of a panic really, And 849 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,400 as I arrived, there was some issue with the parking 850 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,079 system at the hospital and there was a whole queue 851 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:23,360 of cars coming in, the whole cure cars in the 852 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,400 car park that couldn't leave, so everybody was jammed. It 853 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,559 was just an absolute nightmare. And I thought, Okay, I 854 00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,079 can't leave my car to take her, because the moment 855 00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:32,639 I walk away from my car, my car will getting 856 00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:35,239 pounded and taken away. So I was just stuck and 857 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,719 I didn't know what to do. And my poor wife 858 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,440 was thinking, okay, let's just dump the car and run 859 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,760 like I'm going to have to trance this now. And 860 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,159 the weirdest thing was I was in a queue of cars. 861 00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,800 I wasn't the first in the queue. Out of nowhere, 862 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,599 this old lady came to our car specifically. It wasn't 863 00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,320 as if I was making obvious we're in a panic though, 864 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,239 because we're inside the cars, you couldn't have seen much. 865 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,719 But she came to our car specifically and said, there's 866 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,239 a space in there. Would you like to have my space? 867 00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:04,000 And I wound down the window. I said, oh my god, 868 00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,039 thank you so much, because my wife's and labor at 869 00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:07,840 the moment. Can you you know, can you show us? Well, 870 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,000 oh yeah, definitely, definitely, And I managed to cut around 871 00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:14,199 the line and scooch over between the cars that were waiting, 872 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,320 and she took me over to her little secret space, 873 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,000 and yeah, I made my way in there. And I 874 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,519 just got out the car and turned to say thank 875 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:26,519 you to the lady. She'd gone. And the weird thing was, 876 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,719 I'd assume that for her to be in the car park, 877 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,920 she had to be in the car, so for her 878 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,400 to leave the car park, she would have had to 879 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,320 leave through the exit and the exit was blocked and 880 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,239 no cars could leave at that that time. Or could 881 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,760 she have been a stranger that just happened to walk 882 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,079 through and go, Okay, I'm going to help that one 883 00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:46,159 random stranger. Maybe. But the weirdest thing was Yeah, like 884 00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,039 I said, as I pulled into the car, I could 885 00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:50,280 see her in my mirror and I jumped out of 886 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,880 the car meeting me. I'd like to make sure I'm 887 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,480 polite and thank people straight away. I got out of 888 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,119 my car and went to go and thank her, and 889 00:48:56,159 --> 00:49:00,800 she'd just yeah, say gone, So who was it? And 890 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,119 I got my wife to the emergency room in time 891 00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:06,559 to have the baby delivered. They take a while. Admittedly 892 00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:10,360 that's a but we could have been the situation where 893 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,880 things could have got very dangerous if I couldn't get 894 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,519 her to the right nurses and time. Yeah again, wherever 895 00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,800 that lady is out there, human or not, thank you. 896 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,840 Speaker 1: I have heard quite a few stories like this. My 897 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,679 friend Irene, as I mentioned over in the UK, she's 898 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,119 told a very wild story once and I won't get 899 00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:38,880 into it because it's her story to tell, but it 900 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,599 was almost the exact same situation where somebody just came 901 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:47,400 out of nowhere in a time of need help them, 902 00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:51,039 and then when they turned to thank the person, they vanished. 903 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:58,199 They weren't there anymore. It's incredible synchronicity. You don't know 904 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:04,519 if it's if it's so called angels or I say 905 00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,920 so called because I have a problem with the idea 906 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:14,519 of the traditional view of angels. But obviously some type 907 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:19,920 of this is where puts your mind. Some type of 908 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:25,000 entity is able to come into our dimension, interact with 909 00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:29,599 us to a certain extent, help set things right or 910 00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:35,039 make things good, and then they vanish. And you know, 911 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,280 I do believe they are from another dimension, whether it's 912 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,039 what people would consider to be the other side heaven 913 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:49,599 or or whatnot, that there are entities looking out for 914 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,079 us and helping us along our way. And your couple 915 00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:59,760 of examples were just perfect examples of what can happen. 916 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:05,079 The fact that the lady on the train you just 917 00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:08,280 set everything right for you. You know, you had that bad 918 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,599 experience and then within a couple of two weeks you 919 00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,760 had a job that you wanted and you met someone 920 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,280 who you'd be with so for for the rest of 921 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:17,679 your life. 922 00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:21,119 Speaker 2: So yeah, I just said, so far just not drink set. 923 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:21,960 So thank you. 924 00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:27,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I've had a couple of my own experiences there, 925 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:36,760 so but fantastic. Now, you also mentioned that you lived 926 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,000 in a haunted house before. 927 00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:43,519 Speaker 2: What was that like, Yeah, it's it's not fun. I 928 00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:50,239 can definitely say that basically linking into my NDE, what 929 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,920 I met at the hospital begun to materialize into something. 930 00:51:55,079 --> 00:52:00,800 And my first meeting was still at the hospital. Something 931 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,840 was at the end of my bed. I remember one 932 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,239 evening feeling a weight at the end of my bed 933 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,079 and this was, you know, in quite a dark room. 934 00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:11,800 I could see the nurses station to the right of 935 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,000 me just lit up, but the other kids were sleeping 936 00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,440 at that time. And yeah, I looked at the end 937 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,960 of my bed and I could see like a dark 938 00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:22,119 object just above the protective bar. There's like a protective 939 00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,360 bar at the edge of like most beds anyway, like 940 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,960 with your the clipboard and all that. Yeah, I see 941 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,840 something just at the end that that's dark. And it 942 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,440 eventually moved up and up and up, and I could 943 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,679 see the texture of this like burnt skin, and I 944 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,559 eventually saw a head and some shoulders, and from the 945 00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:43,920 dark itself, I could see two white eyes just about 946 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,639 coming out of the dark, just fixated just on me, 947 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,880 and I felt completely frozen. It was like, I don't know, 948 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,239 it had some power over me. I couldn't physically move, 949 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,840 and I wanted to scream to get the attention of 950 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,320 the nurses, and I couldn't. My voice was taken away 951 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,280 and I could not move. And I actually drew a 952 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,320 picture of this while ago, which maybe will share with 953 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,320 you exactly how this thing looked. And this thing like 954 00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:15,639 it was so powerful, like it could literally hold your 955 00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:19,119 body in place. And I don't know what happened that. 956 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,000 I think eventually I did pass out, but I remember 957 00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:28,119 being in utter and total terror. And fast forward to 958 00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:31,760 eventually when I left the hospital, this thing followed me home. 959 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,039 It began to show itself in a way of noise. 960 00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:40,719 What happened is I lived in the house with my 961 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,639 mother and my sister. We had like a single parent household, 962 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:49,519 and we heard whistling in the street, and I thought 963 00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,079 it was our neighbor. He's quite a musical person, though 964 00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,800 maybe he does whistle, we assumed, and we heard it 965 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,079 on and off every so many nights, and eventually we 966 00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:01,760 started hearing whistling inside of our house, and there are 967 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,880 times where I thought, maybe it's my sister playing jokes 968 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,119 on me. And then that's where I remember that she 969 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,199 can't whistle, and I don't think she still can to 970 00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:12,679 this day, despite being an adult, you know, but still, Yeah, 971 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,119 it was strange, like whistling would appear in different rooms 972 00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,920 and eventually got closer and closer to us, to the 973 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,840 point where my sister would hear it. I would hear 974 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,239 it at the same time. It will be like it 975 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,159 was emanating from the center of the room. It was 976 00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:30,960 so loud, and eventually it got more and more confident 977 00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:35,400 where friends would come over to our house and they'd 978 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,840 hear the whistling, and eventually people just got used to it, 979 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,960 this strange noise emanating from nowhere. And at that time 980 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:47,679 I was having night terrors, so I'd wake up in 981 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:51,159 the night screaming. Obviously this is the psychological trauma of 982 00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:54,599 the accident. I'd wake up screaming in the night, and 983 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,760 I remember before my Mum could get to me, and 984 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,199 it's like two o'clock in the morning, like the early hours, 985 00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:04,840 he was there in the corner of the room, just 986 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,719 stood there, watching, motionless. But I could still move at 987 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,880 that point, it didn't have power over me in that regards. 988 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,119 He was just there and there'd be a few nights 989 00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:16,239 after where I would do the same thing and he 990 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:22,320 would just be there watching, and other activity began to escalate. 991 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,199 We'd have music that was a new thing at the time. 992 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,639 I remember one night waking up at about about three 993 00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:32,199 o'clock in the morning to the sound of a party, 994 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,360 and I thought our neighbor was having a party next 995 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,199 door that they hadn't told us about, and opened the 996 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,440 window to check to see which house it was coming from. 997 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,239 I realized actually was coming from inside my room, and 998 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,079 I tried to listen as carefully as I could, and 999 00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:47,639 it was just loud enough where I could hear it 1000 00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,599 was coming again from the center of the room. And 1001 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,079 I've heard about the stone tape theory, like people say 1002 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:58,079 that sound noises can be recorded through stone over time. 1003 00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:01,199 But it was interesting I was emanating from the center 1004 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,039 point of the room. I did check at the time 1005 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:04,960 to see is it coming from event nearby? It could 1006 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,000 be traveling through different systems, but no, I could hear 1007 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,280 it in that night. It was horrifying, you know, as 1008 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,519 you can imagine, it's just unexpected out of nowhere, like 1009 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,079 I could hear people laughing very old music, like you 1010 00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:22,320 know old like you know, violins and saxophones and trumpets, 1011 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,119 and it's like the little kind of band was playing, 1012 00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:28,559 and I'd hear glasses clinking and wine spilling, and it 1013 00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:31,800 was quite jovial, the best way I can describe it, though, 1014 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,960 but because of the surrealness of it, it made it 1015 00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:38,679 very sinister. And yeah, that would happen quite a few 1016 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,880 nights a week. Eventually, I just got used to it, though. 1017 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,920 It'd wake me up in the night, and sometimes it 1018 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,800 almost was comforting because it was actually it was nice music. 1019 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,320 Eventually I kind of got used to that. I suppose 1020 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,760 I was still having night terrors here and there. I'd 1021 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,719 wake up and yeah, he would be there again. 1022 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,320 Speaker 1: I have a couple of observations that I'd like to make. 1023 00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:06,639 Of course, I know that people in your situation, whether 1024 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:14,000 it's because of an ND, maybe they're having abduction experiences, 1025 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:21,119 something that helps trigger someone's psyche psychic abilities, their energy, 1026 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,239 and all of a sudden it starts to attract these 1027 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:33,400 negative things and they show up two to scare you, 1028 00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:38,639 to intimidate you. Maybe their goal is to keep you from, 1029 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,559 you know, moving forward with it. One thing I've never 1030 00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:47,119 really understood, honestly, because I've never in all my years 1031 00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:51,440 of investigating, there were only two times I came across 1032 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,320 something that was a little negative, but nothing like like 1033 00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,880 what you're describing. And sometimes I struggle understand it because 1034 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,000 in nature, in this world, there's nothing evil, no animal, 1035 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,360 no plant, no nothing. They just do what they do. 1036 00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:14,000 And some people might think, you know, if you're an 1037 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,119 African and you're getna eaten by the lion, that the 1038 00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:19,239 lion is evil, but the lion is just doing what 1039 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,800 it's doing. There's no good, there's no evil. It's our 1040 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,639 perception of it. So when it comes to these types 1041 00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:32,400 of very negative entities, I just I question it. I 1042 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,039 wonder why it is the way that is some of 1043 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:42,000 these entities that attach onto people people like to call demons. 1044 00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:46,840 I hate that word because they act like what I 1045 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:53,480 would consider paranormal parasites. They come into someone's lives, turn 1046 00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:58,400 them upside down, make that person afraid, or start to 1047 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,679 get into bad negative behaviors. And these things feed on 1048 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,320 it like a mosquito, like like like I forget what, 1049 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,800 but it's just it's just a parasite feeding off of that, 1050 00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:15,960 and the more you feed it, the stronger it gets. 1051 00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:21,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've hit the knell on the head there. That's yeah, 1052 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,400 very well said. Actually, this thing was exactly that. It 1053 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,840 was a parasite that there are when you when you 1054 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,639 enter the in between. I from my first time experience. Again, 1055 00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:36,920 I'm not a believer or a nonbeliever. I'm an experience. 1056 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,639 So there's a third state people don't tend to talk 1057 00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:43,800 about where you're presented with empirical evidence of I've literally 1058 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,480 seen X, Y and Z. So this is whether you 1059 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,639 like it or not, that's that's what it is. And 1060 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,800 minus stunning is there isn't in between where you know. 1061 00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:56,840 It's between where we go to and where we've been. 1062 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,280 Of course it's liminal. It's kind of like you know 1063 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,800 that you know the limit, Like you describe one room 1064 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,239 and another room. In between is a hallway. That hallway 1065 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,920 isn't a place you spend much time, and it's not 1066 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,800 intended to be that way, but either way, you need 1067 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,280 to pass through that hallway to get to where you 1068 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,119 need to be. It's the same way here, like there 1069 01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:17,360 seems to be a place just outside of time, and 1070 01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:19,360 I do believe like it's like I was at the 1071 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,239 edge of time, like things were just distorting, and like 1072 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,559 this world but just falling apart, that there is something there, 1073 01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:29,920 maybe guarding your entrance or deciding whether you're ready to 1074 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,960 move on or to go back. Who knows, But there 1075 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,239 seems to be something there. And there are things out there, 1076 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,159 and like you say, they're neither good nor bad. Good 1077 01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:42,960 and evil is a human concept. We're putting measures and 1078 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,840 labels on things because it makes us feel like we 1079 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,079 have control. We decide what colors are called, we decide 1080 01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:50,960 what countries are called, we decide what the clothes that 1081 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,000 we're wearing a card. We put labels on everything to 1082 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,480 make us feel better about the fact that we don't 1083 01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:59,840 know everything. And like I say, there are things out 1084 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,199 there that are outside of our comprehension, upside of our 1085 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,480 understanding that or have always been. And when you come 1086 01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:10,360 out there, sorry, once you enter the in between come back, 1087 01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:16,360 you attract their attention. They're fascinated by you because you've 1088 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,360 done what shouldn't happen. And yeah, I don't know where, 1089 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,320 I don't know whether I did dying wrong, basically, whether 1090 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:25,800 I was supposed to die, and I just came back 1091 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,280 and whatever it might be, but either way, I do 1092 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,199 believe I was meant to come back, right and this 1093 01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:33,039 thing followed me. It was fascinated by me, And yeah 1094 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,519 it did cause chaos. I go into this in my 1095 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,679 book anyway. So I mean, this is part of a 1096 01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:41,360 much bigger story. It's so complex, really, but in short, 1097 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,840 it affected the characteristics of the people around me. So 1098 01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:48,840 I used to work at a local retail store, and 1099 01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:52,119 hopefully you can imagine like the way it was then. 1100 01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:54,079 Obviously I was a lot smaller and much more timid, 1101 01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:56,800 like a teenager really, and I was so ultra polite 1102 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,320 with everybody. I was as helpful as I could be, 1103 01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:01,559 you know, It's just the way I was raised. And again, 1104 01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:06,679 in consequence of trauma, it's a psychological response, and people 1105 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,599 used to just explode at me. And this, unfortunately is 1106 01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:11,599 part of the retail experience because I always say, like 1107 01:02:11,639 --> 01:02:15,639 anyone checkout or till, treat them with absolute respect there 1108 01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:17,119 because they do have to deal with a lot, really 1109 01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:19,760 really in the day to day. But what I had 1110 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,880 to deal with was very abnormal. It will be uninstigated 1111 01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:26,400 moments where could we say a customer came in I 1112 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,480 remember a while ago actually he for some reason he 1113 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,119 left his bread on the floor. This was like a 1114 01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:35,039 sealed piece of bread. Naturally I would pick it up 1115 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,400 because it's not hygienic. And he said to me, don't 1116 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,880 squash my bread. And I said to him, well, now 1117 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,519 I found this on the floor. Would you like me 1118 01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:45,440 to get you another piece of bread? No? No, you're 1119 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,119 trying to steal my bread. And I thought, that's a 1120 01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:51,440 strange response. And out of nowhere, this customer like picked 1121 01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:53,639 up his two baskets full of food as if it 1122 01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:56,760 was going to attack me with them, ran down this 1123 01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,880 walkway and I was actually at the time stacking freezers 1124 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,559 full of food, and he cornered me in this freezer 1125 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,239 and was right in my face, see things, spitting with anger, 1126 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:10,039 shouting all sorts of things at me. Like it was 1127 01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:13,400 a really weird response. But I remember looking in his 1128 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,639 eyes and the like it was looking like looking at 1129 01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:17,920 a dead dead body, as the best way can describe. 1130 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,000 And night I have unfortunately seen one in my life, though, 1131 01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:22,840 but it was like looking at a dead body. There 1132 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,360 was nothing in there, and he was just he was escalating, escalating, 1133 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,199 getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse, 1134 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,119 and it was weird how nobody nearby was reacting, like 1135 01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:36,760 this isn't normal. Is anyone going to help? But no, nothing, 1136 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,239 So I just refused to do anything. So I just 1137 01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:40,079 stood there and made him realize that he had no 1138 01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:43,800 power over me. And then he stopped eventually, and I 1139 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,840 saw his eyes like the light returned to his eyes, 1140 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,800 and he dropped the baskets to the floor, and it 1141 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,559 almost seemed like there was some humility coming to him, 1142 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:57,119 like he felt really embarrassed. He never said sorry, he 1143 01:03:57,159 --> 01:03:59,920 refused to, but he was in a state of shock himself. 1144 01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:02,719 And these things would happen here and now where people 1145 01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:06,320 would suddenly escalate out of the blue. And when that 1146 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,519 first began to happen, I just thought, maybe I'm just 1147 01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:10,719 a bad kid. Maybe I need to try even harder 1148 01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:14,440 to be extra nice. And over time I began to 1149 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,960 realize that something is going on that isn't right. And 1150 01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:19,960 it was at school as well. People used to really 1151 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,440 focus on me at school, and the same thing where 1152 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,840 I'd have teachers who I would go to saying, Okay, 1153 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,880 I'm having trouble with my math's homework, can you help me? 1154 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,480 That's all I said. Teacher responds to me by slamming 1155 01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:36,000 the chair down, throwing his pencils and pens across the table, 1156 01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:39,639 flipping a table over again. I remember the look in 1157 01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:43,760 his eyes like nobody was there, and there was this 1158 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,800 pattern that grow and grow and grow. And yeah, it 1159 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,960 wasn't particularly great school, I admit though, But I don't 1160 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,559 think the teachers were that nasty really, But people would 1161 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:54,360 just keep doing that time and time again, and it's exhausting. 1162 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,559 It sounds it hurts a lot, though, but yeah, but yeah, sorry, 1163 01:04:59,599 --> 01:04:59,760 go on. 1164 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,639 Speaker 1: It sounds almost like, you know, a temporary possession of 1165 01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:04,239 some sort. 1166 01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:07,679 Speaker 2: Maybe, but I think I might be wrong. Maybe I 1167 01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:10,519 am just that annoying you. I admit I am quite annoying. 1168 01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:12,400 I ask lots of questions. That's the kind of person 1169 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,679 I am. But yeah, but not things just don't seem right. 1170 01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:23,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, now what you're describing, No, there's ah. I'm very 1171 01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:27,360 fascinated by all of this and the experiences you had. 1172 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:31,079 Now we are coming up on the hour here, so 1173 01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:33,679 I would love to have you back sometime and we 1174 01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:41,519 can talk some more time. Yes, your book paranormality, where 1175 01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:42,719 can people find that? 1176 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,719 Speaker 2: So the book's available for pre order. It's coming out 1177 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,880 in March twenty twenty six, though it's about three months 1178 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,320 ago now, so you can pre order it on Amazon 1179 01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:56,000 and your local book retailer. Is available world sorry, it 1180 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,239 will be a way available worldwide, so I'm happy to 1181 01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:01,360 share some link with you if you guys want to 1182 01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:03,920 take a look at it, though, But ultimately, I'm not 1183 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,719 here just to sell a book to make money. That's 1184 01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:08,119 not what really this is about. This is really about 1185 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,280 educating the world that these things do happen. And it's 1186 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,719 absolutely okay to talk about these kind of things because 1187 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,280 the more we talk about these kind of things, the 1188 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,000 more that we help each other to heal, the more 1189 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,519 that we realize that all of our differences that divide 1190 01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:24,760 us don't exist. You know, we've all been told these 1191 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,760 different things to believe and the way, you know, a 1192 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,760 certain way to see the world. Let's I say, and 1193 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,079 once we break through these barriers, we begin to become 1194 01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,599 better people. And despite all these you know, sorry about 1195 01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:37,360 all the scariest stories I know, but yeah, despite all 1196 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,639 these scariest stories I've told you, it's made me a 1197 01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:45,320 far more compassionate person about the human experience. Compassionate towards 1198 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,559 myself as well, because I've forgiven myself and it's not 1199 01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:50,000 as if I should have to forgive myself. Well, I 1200 01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:52,519 forgave myself for things that I had no control love 1201 01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:54,719 and say to myself, it's okay. You didn't need to 1202 01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:56,840 be so hard on yourself. You didn't need to blame 1203 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,840 yourself all those years. And I'm hoping this book may 1204 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,840 teach others to that may be going through a paranormal 1205 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,000 experience of their own. Really, So, like I was supposed 1206 01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:07,079 to say, we're here to believe you kind of thing. 1207 01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:10,000 Is that kind of attitude, like you're not here to judge, 1208 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,719 We're here to believe you, We're here to help you. 1209 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:16,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, and what is your podcast again? And where? 1210 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,280 And when can people hear that? Oh? 1211 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,119 Speaker 2: Yes, and you're welcome to come on it. Anyone's welcome 1212 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,880 to come on it of any background really. So it's 1213 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:28,880 called Paranormal excuse me, Paranormal Perspectives. And yeah, it's all 1214 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,000 free to watch, you know. I make a point saying 1215 01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:32,679 it will always be free. I'm not there to make 1216 01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:34,760 money for it from it though. It's about educating people 1217 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,599 about these different experiences though, So yeah, you can watch 1218 01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:41,800 it on YouTube, Spotify, I think, Apple, podcasts, and various 1219 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,559 different formats for free to take a watch. Let us 1220 01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:46,920 know what you think really, and like I said, if 1221 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,599 you want to be part of it, send me a 1222 01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:50,440 message and we'll organize something. 1223 01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:53,760 Speaker 1: I think I definitely will. Well, Stan, thank you so 1224 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,559 much for coming on the program. This has been very 1225 01:07:56,719 --> 01:08:00,840 informative and definitely would like to hear more in the future, 1226 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,639 so you know, we might be coming on each other's 1227 01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:06,960 shows again. 1228 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,519 Speaker 2: Here, so welcome to Thank you for you know, offering 1229 01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,800 me the opportunity really, and I just can't believe I'm 1230 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,119 actually starting here telling the story really after all these years, 1231 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,840 so I appreciate it with me having the conversation with 1232 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,520 you as part of me healing too, So thank you 1233 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:20,720 for that. 1234 01:08:21,039 --> 01:08:23,399 Speaker 1: Oh sure there's your thing. Thank you for coming on 1235 01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:29,640 this program. Well, that was a great first interview. I 1236 01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:35,359 really really enjoyed his stories and there's a lot of 1237 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,560 truth in everything he had to say. We definitely are 1238 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,039 going to schedule more interviews with Stan in the future 1239 01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:47,159 because he has a lot of stories to tell and 1240 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,840 definitely looking forward to his book Para Normality when it 1241 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,119 comes out in March, so until then, thank you all 1242 01:08:56,159 --> 01:09:00,000 for tuning in and be sure to catch us here 1243 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:05,319 on YouTube or on the Paranormal UK Radio Network at 1244 01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:10,600 wwwp A uk radio dot com. So until next time, 1245 01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:14,720 you'll be good humans and we'll talk to you again soon. 1246 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:15,319 Bye bye,