WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.799 It's night side with Dan Ray w bsy. He constant's 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:07.960 me radio. 3 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:09.000 Mister Kirkby. I don't like to complain, but you were 4 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:10.599 supposed to be out of here by eight. I know, 5 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:12.800 buddy boy, I know, but those things don't always run 6 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:15.039 on schedule, like a greyhound bus. 7 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:16.800 Well, I don't mind in the summer. It's on a 8 00:00:16.879 --> 00:00:19.000 rainy night. I haven't had any dinner yet. 9 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:21.440 When we were on Rio Rancho, who was the top man? 10 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:22.199 Half of what old? 11 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:23.199 Two months? Three months? 12 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.199 How about eight months? For three years in a row? 13 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:26.760 Huh? 14 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:27.559 I know what bluck? 15 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:28.039 Was that? 16 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:28.199 It? 17 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:29.280 John or Purloin? 18 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:29.839 Please? 19 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:30.559 It was talent? 20 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:35.880 Yes, door to door. It's called cold calling. John. 21 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:37.119 I'll let me see if you can find out where 22 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:41.560 that gun animal is coming from. 23 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:43.719 Wherever it's coming from, we got to get rid of it. 24 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:44.520 Look at this did. 25 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:49.479 Oh hey, Bernie yo open fourteen and fifteen. You can't 26 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:51.560 do that, Jack open and Bernie, Jack, you can't do 27 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:52.799 what the book says you can't do. 28 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:54.240 We're almost up to the steam lines. 29 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.719 No, I got this. My ears are filling up. I 30 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:01.240 got this sinus conditions, changing temperature I was getting from 31 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:08.239 their conditioning. Maybe no, no, It's all part of my allergies. 32 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:09.239 I get him in the summers. 33 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:11.359 I listen to me. You put me on my board, 34 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.040 and I want three promising leads for the day. And 35 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:15.760 I don't want any book about him, and I want 36 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.079 them close together because I am going to close them all. 37 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:21.319 And that's all I have to say to you. 38 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.760 The amazing Jack Lemon. Amazing. Now. 39 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:30.319 I know we're changing gears big time because we've gone 40 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.799 from a family feud with the demolers to murder on 41 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:36.879 the high seas to courtroom drama, and now we're going 42 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:38.799 to have some fun. And joining me right now is 43 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:40.640 Odie Henderson for the Boston Globe. 44 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:41.359 Odie W. 45 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:43.840 Jack Lemon died in two thousand and one, and I 46 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:46.840 should say it back up six days ago, Odie wrote 47 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:50.239 this article appreciating Jack Lemon, who would have been one 48 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.640 hundred years old. I loved it. I was like a kid. 49 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:56.120 I was like, I couldn't believe it. And I need 50 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.280 to ask you, Odi, how old were you in two 51 00:01:58.280 --> 00:01:59.239 thousand and one when. 52 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:00.079 He passed away? 53 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.319 Oh? God, thirty one? 54 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.400 Okay? Really? Oh okay? You know you look much luck, 55 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:11.199 you look much younger. Online. 56 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:13.479 I will tell you that I thought, I thought you 57 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:15.599 were a kid when he passed away. But I just 58 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.840 appreciated how you appreciated him. And we're going to talk 59 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:24.319 about his career. And quite frankly, I think for the 60 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:28.280 casual movie guar, I think he's underappreciated. But what made 61 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:29.759 you want to write that article. 62 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:35.520 Well, they're doing a retrospective New York Stone Forum on 63 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:41.280 Jack Lemon and the Doctor. I only liked my favorite director, 64 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:45.159 Billy Wilder, used plenty of and when they were doing 65 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.599 a retrospective, i'd look to see if anything in Boston. 66 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:50.599 At the time, they had not been. I pitched the 67 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.000 paper and I was looking him up. I had no 68 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:56.680 idea he was born in Newton. That was kind of 69 00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:01.960 my angle. You know, he's about him. So we did 70 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.680 this article. I he made a hundred movies, he made 71 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:08.199 a hundred he acted in a hundred roles. I can't 72 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:10.960 say he did one hundred movies because accounting, television and 73 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:14.319 things like that, but on and on the big screen 74 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:18.240 he had done a hundred roles. Last one, unfortunately, was 75 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:21.479 a legend of bag of ant. But he had a 76 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.199 lot of work, and so I wanted to write about him. 77 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.879 My mom liked an after very much. So when I 78 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.599 was a kid, he would Tom on TV. She would 79 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:35.120 tell me who he was. And in fact, the reason 80 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.039 why I saw Buddy Buddy in the movie Theater was 81 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:41.159 because my mom liked Jack Lemon and Valtamathow and they're 82 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:44.159 in that. That's the last movie that Billy Wilder made, 83 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:45.919 and that's the last movie that they were in that 84 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.919 he made for them in Terrible. And it's funny that 85 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:51.800 Billy Wilder is my favorite director and the first movie 86 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.919 I saw Buddy Buddy, so apparently I've forgiven him. Buddy 87 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:55.840 Buddy is terrible. 88 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.479 Okay, we have We're going to get another connection with you, 89 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:02.360 Rob Let's take a break right now, a few minutes early. 90 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:05.319 Then we're gonna get a better phone connection with Odie's. 91 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:07.000 We talk about the life of Jack Lemon coming up 92 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:07.879 next to WBZ. 93 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:10.039 It's Night Side with. 94 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:13.639 Boston's news Radio. 95 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:15.560 All right, we get a clear line now. Odie Anderson 96 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:17.639 film credit for the Boston Globe. He was joining us 97 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:22.240 and he wrote a terrific piece on Jack Lemon celebrating 98 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:23.399 his birthday. 99 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:24.040 I thought it was great. 100 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.959 So why do you think Billy Wilder and Jack Lemon 101 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.800 hit it? Off and did so well together as as partners. 102 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.600 Honestly, I don't know. I think maybe he saw something 103 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.759 in Jack Lemon and he was able to write for him. 104 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:39.439 You know, he Il Diamond will something like a hot 105 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.160 and the Apartment, among other things, and maybe he saw something. 106 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:45.560 And I know that pim perrying baltim Math out with 107 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:47.560 him was a stroke a genius. 108 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:49.600 There's no doubt about that. 109 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:51.639 Because and I do want to get to Mathew in 110 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:54.279 a minute, but I want to talk about the Apartment. 111 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:58.040 It is a it's it's the perfect movie. It's a 112 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.800 perfect movie. And Shirley mcl I mean, and Fred McMurray, 113 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:04.560 I mean, come on, mister, my three Sons, the dad 114 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:08.160 from My Sons plays the jackass who has the mistress 115 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:13.040 and the whole bit. And it's a phenomenal movie. And 116 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.560 mcclean's great in it too. They're both phenomenal in it. 117 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.040 It's it's the perfect script. It's the perfect movie. 118 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.480 Well, I think this is Chula mclin's finest hour. You know, 119 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.959 she lost to a trichyat Andy famously the Oscar, that 120 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:28.079 is to Liz Taylor, who was in Butterfield Date, a 121 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.959 movie that Liz Taylor absolutely hates but Liz Taylor was 122 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.199 ill and the Academy assumed she was going to kill 123 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:38.439 over sty gear for the Oscar. Yeah, but but Cherley 124 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:40.800 mcsaying that that's her finest hour on the screen, and 125 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:43.240 The Apartment is a fantastic movie. And the funny thing 126 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.399 is I knew for Big Murray for my Three Sons 127 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.199 because obviously he was on the repeats when I was 128 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:54.040 a kid, and so when I saw Double Indemnity, it 129 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.000 was a shock. I saw doublin Demity probably before I 130 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.439 saw The Apartment, and he's a heel, and it was 131 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.839 just I saw him in Flubber right and my Three Sons. 132 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:07.759 This is a Nick Murray Wilder. He always used him 133 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:11.600 for evil purposes, the way he used William Holden as 134 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:17.319 a cat in Stall of seventeen and Sunset Boulevard. So 135 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.199 it's interesting what what Wilder would get from his actors, 136 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:21.800 you know what roles he put them in. 137 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:25.519 Do you think that Jack Lemon was Tom Hanks before 138 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:26.199 Tom Hanks? 139 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.560 Noah, I was joking to say that that Tom Hanks 140 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.959 was our dar. Jimmy's to my generation is Jimmy Stewart. 141 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:35.560 That's a good point. 142 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:39.519 Because like Tom Hanks is, he's just a damn likable 143 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:44.040 And I would probably say, because I'm a I'm a 144 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:48.680 big Hanks fan, I would probably say Lemon, he's I 145 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.800 would say he's a better actor than Hanks because Lemon 146 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.199 could also pull off. 147 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:54.680 The serious roles, which was really hard to do. 148 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:58.959 And the China Syndrome, for example, Yeah, you know where 149 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:02.879 all of a sudden he goes from playing this innocent 150 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:07.519 sort of buffoon in the apartment, or you know, he's 151 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:11.839 playing Felix in the odd couple opposite Mathow or grumpy 152 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.519 old man, and then you go to the China Syndrome, 153 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.959 and that dude brings it. I think it's well, I'm 154 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.120 not gonna say it's I'm not gonna say it's his 155 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:24.680 greatest performance for me, but I could see why others 156 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:25.360 would say. 157 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.399 That, oh, well, he got the awarded can for that 158 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:30.519 and for missing And I mentioned in my article that 159 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:32.959 my parents took me to see that to drive him 160 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.720 that's all asleep. So I technically have never seen in 161 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:38.839 China Syndrome in its entirety. So I said I would 162 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:40.560 put it in the paper so you guys could guilt 163 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.279 me into watching it. But Even before he did that, 164 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.079 he was in Days of Wine and Roses. He won 165 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.720 the Oscar for Save the Tiger. I think he's he 166 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:51.399 can play a heel far better than Tom Hanks can. 167 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:54.360 You can buy Jack Lemon as a heel despite all 168 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.040 delightable performances he's given, whereas Tom Hanks is always difficult 169 00:07:58.040 --> 00:07:59.120 to buy him as the bad guy. 170 00:07:59.399 --> 00:07:59.720 Do you know? 171 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:02.120 Do you know how how did he go from Newton, 172 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:06.120 Massachusetts all of a sudden to the success that he had. 173 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:07.199 Oh? 174 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.319 I know, he went to Harvard and then he was 175 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:11.480 in the Navy, and then he got out and he 176 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.199 decided to act on stage. And I think his first 177 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:17.839 movie was nineteen forty nine, and he started working there 178 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:21.199 and then he was he went the Oscar for mister Roberts. 179 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.360 He was on stage before, Yeah, mister Roberts. I saw 180 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.160 that at So and Farm. I'd never seen it on 181 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:30.800 the big screen. It's this huge, beautiful CinemaScope movie and 182 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.559 I'd only seen it on VHS or on television when 183 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:36.720 I was a kid, and it just looked gorgeous. And 184 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:39.919 you know, there's a whole backstory to all the crazy 185 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.000 stuff that was going on on the set of mister Roberts. 186 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.159 But Lemon's great. He's the comedy release and he's really 187 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.559 broad in that movie. And then you look at something 188 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.519 like Missing and you can see the scope of his acting, 189 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:56.320 you know, something that is like he's bottled up in 190 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:00.799 that film, or something like Glengary Glen Ross faced Lley 191 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.320 Machine Levine where he's just this desperate character and not 192 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:06.279 like him at all. 193 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.440 When you say there's some backstory there with mister Roberts, okay, anything, 194 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.399 any t you can spell as the kids would. 195 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.360 Say, oh oh yeah, I mean you know, John Ford 196 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.919 got fired and discredited to John Ford and Brevon Leroy 197 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:23.360 he picked up after he got fired. Ford hated Kimmy Fond, 198 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:27.519 but he slugged him on the ship. I think I 199 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.440 may have been the beginning of the end for John 200 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:33.320 Ford directing that movie. So there's a lot of crazy 201 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.600 stuff going on. That was some of the more famous things. 202 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.240 Ford being fired, him punching Kenny Fond in the face, 203 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.519 knocking him out back in. 204 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:43.720 The good old days of Hollywood. 205 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:49.480 Right, But with Lemon, because I've seen interviews with Lemon 206 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:52.320 and there was the same thing with Fonda. 207 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:54.399 While they would play. 208 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.440 Certain in certain situations, I mean Fonda obviously in on 209 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.720 Golden Pond that was a different, different character, but they 210 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.440 would play the every man, They would play likable characters. 211 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:07.399 There was definitely a sadness in Lemon's life. I would 212 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:08.480 see that in interviews. 213 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.440 Yeah, I suppose so, And I think, you know, you 214 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.360 can channel that into especially in comedy. They always say 215 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.559 people that are the funniest people off the off screen 216 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:23.200 have a lot of suffering, a lot of tragedy, you know, 217 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:26.080 And I kind of believe that. I think you'd be 218 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.759 really funny like Richard Pryor is a perfect example of that. 219 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:33.240 You have to really channel your pain into your performances, 220 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.080 to your humor. And perhaps that was the case of 221 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.519 that woman. And when I was that phone for him, 222 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.679 his kid Chris was there, and his daughter, and his 223 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:46.360 grands and grandchildren were there, I mean some of his 224 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:49.720 family or actors still, they were all there to introduce 225 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:53.399 the some like a ho which is great on the 226 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:56.279 big screen. They played with the packed audience. It was fantastic. 227 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.320 One of the funniest movies ever made. 228 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:00.559 Uh. 229 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:05.360 The thing about Lemon is he was also a recovering alcoholic, 230 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.639 which he announced on the Actors Studio and that that 231 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:12.480 had that was like wait a minute, well what and 232 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:16.159 he had battled that and the other the other thing 233 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:19.399 that he I can't remember who said this, but before 234 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.879 every scene, before before the act, when they would say action, 235 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:25.480 he would whisper magic time. 236 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:26.919 That was his thing. 237 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.159 I don't know, I heard. I heard that. I heard 238 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:30.919 that as well. I believe that. 239 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:32.559 Yeah, I totally do. 240 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:35.720 Yeah, like magic time, that's what kicked him in. You 241 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.919 know where there's something that an actor does that sends 242 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:43.120 him into that reality or that false reality, and that's 243 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:44.759 that's what would work for. 244 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:46.200 Him for Lemon. 245 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:50.279 Yeah, magic time, Yeah, I heard that magic time. 246 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.799 Okay, So from the China Syndrome, the glen Garry Glenn 247 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:55.759 Ross is Shelley. 248 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.159 I want to what we can do? Can we play this? 249 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:02.320 Can we play this? Rob? Can we play cut number six? 250 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:04.320 Hopefully it's censored? 251 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:07.519 Rob? 252 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:09.639 Can we play cut number six from Glengarry Glen Ross. 253 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:11.960 When we were on Rio Rancho who was the top 254 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.039 man half of what oh. 255 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.159 Two months, three months? How about eight months for three. 256 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:16.879 Years in a row? 257 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:17.480 Huh? 258 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:18.759 And what luck was that? 259 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:18.919 It? 260 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:21.240 John or Purloin leads it was talent. 261 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:26.039 Yes, door to door It's called cold calling John. 262 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:28.200 I don't even know their name. 263 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.600 They don't want to buy what I've got, soft cells. 264 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:32.159 We were doing it before we even had a name 265 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:33.480 for it. Am I right? 266 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:33.399 Are you right? 267 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:33.720 Sure? 268 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:34.600 You wouldn't know you? 269 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:37.879 He doesn't even know what our streak is. 270 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:39.320 What the hell are you? 271 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:40.840 There? 272 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:40.919 Are? 273 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:42.480 Are Secretary Few? 274 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:45.039 Yeah, that's my message, So you few. 275 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.519 And kiss my ass. And if you don't like that, baby, 276 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:49.919 I go across the street and I speak to Jerry Grant. 277 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:50.559 Period. 278 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.240 You now listen to me. You put me on my 279 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:57.360 board and I want three promising leads for the day, 280 00:12:57.399 --> 00:12:59.000 and I don't want any book about him, and I 281 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.360 want them close to get there. He goes, I am 282 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.960 going to close them all. And that's all I have 283 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:04.759 to say to you. 284 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:10.120 I love the scene where Alec Baldwin comes in, which wasn't. 285 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:10.840 In the original play. 286 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:11.440 It was not. 287 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:14.879 That is correct, that You're absolutely right it was in 288 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:15.360 the film. 289 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:17.000 And Baldwin comes in. 290 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:20.240 You know you see this, Watch this, watch Cush more 291 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.759 than the car and then Shelley's over trying to get 292 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:30.159 a cup of coffee, and then it's Baldwin's scene. Obviously, yes, 293 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.840 but the way Lemon just turns around. Is it's just 294 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.639 it's it's so, it's tremendous. Put that coffee down. What 295 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:42.759 are you talking about? Coffee is for closes on? 296 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:45.919 Yeah, just he's. 297 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.399 Just tremendous in this in this film. And then al 298 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.720 Pacino played that on Broadway, played Shelley on Broadway. I 299 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:57.240 can't imagine Odie anybody else playing Shelley but Jack Lemon. 300 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:02.039 Bob Odenkirk, who is produced the booking Candle the other 301 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:04.679 day and also introduced grin Glaragan Ross a couple of 302 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:07.600 days ago. The phone for him is playing, so he 303 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:10.679 living on Broadway currently in glen Garigan Ross. And he 304 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:13.639 talked about how he had to force himself not to 305 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:18.200 mimic Jack Lemon's cadence in his performance, especially in the 306 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.679 first speech that he has in play. And he talked 307 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.519 about how he had to basically keep correcting himself because 308 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.120 he was constantly tapping into Jack Lemon's performance. How great 309 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.320 Jack Lemen's performance is in that movie. I think he's 310 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:36.000 the best performance in the Glenglorygan Ross movie. So it 311 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:37.679 was interesting too that you mentioned Matt. 312 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.159 Yeah, I mean, how can you not how can you 313 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:42.200 you know? I mean how can you not try to 314 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:47.039 be Jack Lemon? Because the great thing about the Glengarry 315 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.200 Glenn Ross performance, I remember he's in he's in the rain, 316 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.360 and he's on the phone in the rain, and I 317 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.360 believe his daughter needs an operation or needs surgery, and 318 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:00.480 he is up against it and he is just ruggling 319 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:05.159 trying just I mean, you know, trying to get these 320 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.279 leads of selling condos in Flora or whatever. Just these despicable, 321 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:14.080 just just the worst. And you don't know. And this 322 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:17.480 is the magic of a great actor. When the character's gray, 323 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.279 you don't know whether to feel sorry for him or 324 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.039 be irritated by him. 325 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:28.600 Absolutely, And I can never buy Paccino in that part. 326 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.080 And I don't think it's good Ken and they cast 327 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.159 them right as as with your roll mind the movie, 328 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:35.480 I don't buy him as a showy ravine at all. 329 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.399 I haven't seen the performance, but just thinking about it, 330 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:40.320 it just wouldn't work. 331 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:44.879 Have you seen the current Broadway produce. I don't even 332 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:46.399 know if it's still running with Glengarry. 333 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:47.720 Have you seen it? 334 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.399 Because I have it's it's I liked it. I liked it. 335 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:55.840 I think it's probably it's not as good as the movie. That. 336 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:57.960 I think Odenkirk is very goodn't it. You know, it's 337 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:03.759 on its al and him, and then it's it's hard 338 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.039 to shake the movie out of your memory. So when 339 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:09.600 you're watching and I didn't see to play initially, you know, 340 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:13.120 so I by my first encounter with Gungary and Ross 341 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:14.000 was the movie. 342 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.840 Yeah, I mean, just the man. I think it's I 343 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.000 think it's ma'am. It's best work quite frankly. I mean 344 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.320 it's just somebody say American Buffalo, but like it's just unbelievable. 345 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.960 And the cast, my guy Kevin Spacey, well he's had 346 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.399 his own issues, but I mean Kevin Spacey's like a 347 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:36.600 supported character in that thing. And the cast is just 348 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.720 I heard Bill Burr, Massachusetts own Bill Burr does pretty 349 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:42.320 well is pretty well there too. 350 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:46.120 Yes, you know it's being Kevin Spacey has that that 351 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:48.759 lineout dat women says you know why, and he has 352 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.320 because I don't like you, right. 353 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.200 It's it's it's awesome. Culkin got panned, though I was Culkin. 354 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.039 He wasn't terrible. I mean, he wasn't terrible. I again, 355 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.000 I wonder if he was the right choice. 356 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.519 He's not terrible, well probably not, but he's riding high. 357 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.440 You know, I I didn't think he deserved the oscar. Myself, 358 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:17.920 I would have gone other ways. 359 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:19.880 I would he deserved it. 360 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.359 But yeah, we disagreed on that. You loved that. 361 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:23.279 Yeah, we disagreed. 362 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:24.440 Ye, Yeah, we disagreed. Yeah. 363 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.640 I love the guy Pierce and this also, he hasn't 364 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.200 done a lot of stage work from what I understand. 365 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:33.279 Culkin, No, I don't think he has no. And you 366 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:36.599 can tell. You can tell who's the you know, the 367 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.400 expert on stage and who's the newbie. You're not necessarily 368 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.599 the mowbe, but the best experienced. If you're up against 369 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.799 that kind of someone like Bob wooden Kirk for example, 370 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:49.200 you know, not that they're you know, beating each other 371 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.079 up on the stage, but you can usually tell, you know, 372 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:54.759 they haven't gotten the cowboys out. You know what I mean? 373 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:55.200 Right? 374 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:59.240 Well, you know the I mean after I played Lieutenant 375 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.519 Shrank and West Side Story in the Portsmouth Academy of 376 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:05.319 Performing Arts presentation of the you know, I know the 377 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:12.759 stage that was a joke. Okay, No, I did play it. 378 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:16.680 You don't want to hear my own theater? Yeah, I'll 379 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:20.000 tell your theory story. We put on a play in 380 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:23.799 a motel. It was called Motel six. You know why 381 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:28.400 because it was off of exit six off the Spaulding Turnpike. 382 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:34.960 Hence because Motel six the chain it was actually. 383 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.960 No, it was maybe maybe it was a different number, 384 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:39.720 but no, it was the number of the exit off 385 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:43.680 the turnpike. We rented the ballroom, we rented the stage, 386 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:46.559 and we put on a show. My friend, that's all 387 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:48.240 I can tell you. That's how much we wanted to 388 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:50.640 do it, and friends and family came. I don't know 389 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:52.400 if we were any good, but we had a really 390 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.480 good time. All Right, we still have more I want 391 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:56.160 to talk about. I want to talk about lemon of 392 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.119 math out and then Alway's going to tell us what's 393 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:00.279 hot coming out and what we should be looking four. 394 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.759 As we continue on WBC's Night Side. 395 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:11.039 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 396 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:19.799 What's the matter now, No, I got this. My ears 397 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.079 are filling up. I got this sinus condition. It's the 398 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:27.400 change in temperature I was getting from your conditioning. Maybe 399 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.359 you don't know, Way, No, it's all part of my allergies. 400 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.160 I get him in the summer, only in the summer. 401 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:35.079