WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:04.120 Dark Cast Network. Indie pods with a dark side. 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:10.640 Dark Cast Network come to the Dark Side of podcasts. 3 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:19.120 We have cookies, wookers, love cookers. Hey, they're Rainbow Warriors. 4 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:22.719 I'm CJ host to Beyond the Rainbow True Crimes of 5 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:27.519 the lgbt My episodes focus on crimes committed by and 6 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:32.479 against the LGBTQ community. I've covered cases you probably have 7 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:36.439 heard of, such as Matthew Shepherd, Brandon Tina, and the 8 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:40.719 Orlando Pulse nightclub massacre, as well as some lesser known 9 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:44.640 cases like the murder of Ray Haynish, the Australian gay 10 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:49.960 beat murders, and the suspicious disappearance of Lisa Lynne Stone. 11 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.719 I cover cases brought to me by listeners like Penny Brummer, 12 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:58.359 who I believe was wrongfully convicted, taboo cases such as 13 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.359 lesbian corrective rape and murder in South Africa, and pray 14 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:07.280 the gay away camps. I discuss gay serial killers, women 15 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:09.920 who pretend to be men to hook up with other women, 16 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:15.560 and trans murders. I'm opinionated and uncensored. I know I'm 17 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:19.280 not everyone's cup of tea, but surely I'm someone shot 18 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:23.200 at tequila. No matter what your gender or orientation in 19 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.799 life might be. Please join me as I tackle rainbow 20 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:31.439 crimes in search of unicorn justice. Remember, it's not a 21 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:34.560 crime to be gay unless you're a murderer. 22 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:05.799 On his ways. Devil is on his way. 23 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:07.439 Devil is on his way. 24 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:09.240 Mother, the devil gonna. 25 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:11.840 Make you pay. Fall to your knees. 26 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:16.960 Devil is on his way. Fall to your knees. Devil 27 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.199 gonna make you pay, fall to your knees. Devil. 28 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:27.800 Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain murderss on Heather. 29 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:30.800 And I'm dealing. Hey, Hey, what's up girl? 30 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:31.599 How's it going? 31 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:33.080 Doing good? 32 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:34.520 Happy Mayday? 33 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:36.599 Yeah, May Day, May Day. 34 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:38.479 This podcast has been going down for a while. 35 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.080 I've been waiting all year for that May the Fourth 36 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:47.919 be with You memes. They're coming soon, right, Yeah, May 37 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:49.080 the Fourth be with you? 38 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:53.879 And then justin Timberlake, it's kinda be May. 39 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.360 And then directly after that, of course, is Cinco Demayo, right, 40 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:02.039 a reason to have some great drinks and celebrate together. 41 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:05.080 We had our first date in the month of May. 42 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:09.159 It's true, so it's a very special month. It reminds 43 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:11.000 me of all the bad choices I've made in life. 44 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.960 Oh, that's so sweet. 45 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.759 You're welcome, You're welcome. Happy may Day. I see you're 46 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:20.520 wearing your festive flower crown. Of course you've been dancing 47 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.680 out in the yard. You built yourself a little like 48 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:26.520 may pole. You've been wrapping ribbon around it. It's cute. 49 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:29.039 I mean you're by yourself out there doing this, but 50 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:31.520 you know it's adorable. I'm glad you're getting into it. 51 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:33.919 And for the people unfamiliar, what is a may pole? 52 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:40.199 It's a big pole, Dylan, what do you mean? What 53 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:43.719 is it? It's a freaking pole. It's a decorated pole 54 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.599 and people dance around it and then they crown a 55 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:47.400 may queen. 56 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:49.199 Okay, it's like. 57 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.560 A fertility ritual that dates back to the Pagans and 58 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:54.039 European Pagans. 59 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.479 The Pagans were very concerned with fertility. 60 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.240 The Pagans was fucking that, right, nothing wrong. 61 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:03.080 With that in front of the old gods. 62 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:09.159 Well, sometimes you gotta have a witness, all right. 63 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:11.960 So here we are in the Mount Murder studio. We 64 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.479 are so glad to be back. I've been dragging around 65 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:17.079 not feeling well, haven't been able to record with my 66 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:20.959 beautiful wife. So here I made us late for you've 67 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:24.680 been under the weather. Yeah, dragging around old people problems. 68 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.439 Maybe you're like Vicky Sue Robinson and you're about to 69 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.120 turn the bead around. 70 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.680 As they say, up in the Holler, I've been dragging 71 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.000 around like a mash cat. Yep, yeah, you sure have. 72 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:40.560 Dylan, Well, we have a case that when I first 73 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:46.160 heard of this case, it just I found it deeply disturbing. Okay, 74 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.199 And it's been on my list for a while. Finally 75 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.480 gotten around to covering it. 76 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:54.560 Much like my kids. What do you mean it's on 77 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:59.600 your list? Oh, it's a wish because your wish is 78 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:02.199 on my left. I said, kiss, it is a kiss? No, 79 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:09.680 is it? Just just leave that in. That's real, that's organic. Okay, 80 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.000 this is why people tune in. 81 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.720 I mean you are speaking on Holland Oates right. 82 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.680 Yeah, because you're Is it because your kiss is on 83 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:18.199 my liz? 84 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.199 Yeah, because your kiss you wish? Where did that come from? 85 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.639 He never says your wishes all Liz. 86 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:28.160 No, never in the whole blasphemy never. 87 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.040 Okay, just stop, all right. 88 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:36.519 Stop okay. Ashley Chance was born on April twenty fifth, 89 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:41.319 nineteen eighty six, in Somerville, South Carolina. Her parents Rama 90 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:45.000 and Jimmy had five other children, some some were from 91 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:48.680 previous marriages and then others from their current marriage. So 92 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.439 growing up, Ashley was closed with their older sister, Brandy, 93 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:56.399 and considered Brandy to be like her best friend. All Right, 94 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:59.560 I have to say it as a single, like only child, 95 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.639 you know, just the one of me should have been 96 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.000 more of me, right, but just the one of me. 97 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:10.480 I mean, I was always really envious of people, other 98 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:14.240 people I knew my friends who had siblings really because 99 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:17.839 they often work very close, and I guess I was 100 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.560 always jealous, Like I really wish I'd had that kind 101 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:21.800 of like companionship. 102 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.800 We'll see. I've always wondered I had I had a 103 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.160 sister growing up, and I've always wondered what it was 104 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.360 like to be an only child. Some ways, I always 105 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:35.759 thought it would be cool, like you get I guess 106 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:37.720 from the outside looking in, you always have a kind 107 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:40.519 of a rosy view of what it must be like, 108 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.199 Like you get all the energy, the you know, all 109 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:44.839 the presents and the attention. 110 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:47.519 Yeah, I basically just got all the shit dumped on me. 111 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.639 So there was only one target, so it was okay. 112 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:54.519 Yeah, and my parents are both horrible people, and they 113 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:56.759 hate me. So it was just it was not good 114 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:58.800 and they were able to focus on said there had 115 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:01.040 been another kid there, like maybe that kid could have 116 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:02.439 caught some of the heat or something. 117 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.399 I don't know, you could have had some human child. 118 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:10.519 Yeah, okay, yeah, anyway, Yeah, so I always wanted a sibling. 119 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:14.120 I think you wanted to weigh out, yet I did. 120 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:17.399 I wanted to run away and join the cir. 121 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:19.560 You wanted that, you know what you wanted. You wanted 122 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:25.439 a fucking distraction so you could be out. Yes, all right, 123 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.279 you summed it up, baby, Okay. 124 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:31.920 Know me well. Sadly, Ashley's half sister, Jeanie, passed away 125 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.720 when she was only eleven months old. Very tragic situation 126 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:36.439 for this family. 127 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:38.920 I can't even wrap my head around what that must 128 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.639 be like. No, to lose lose a little one. 129 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.199 My car goes out to parents who've lost a child of. 130 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:48.120 Any age, let alone a little one, A little one. Yes. 131 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:52.920 Somerville is northwest of Charleston, South Carolina's Low Country is 132 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:57.360 a rapidly growing area. I see people all the time 133 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:01.040 talking about Charleston, the traffic. It's kind of one of 134 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:05.439 those places that's grown like almost overnight. It's like, in 135 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:06.879 a short period of time, you have a lot of 136 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.399 folks moving into the area. 137 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:12.279 Well, yeah, the Port of Charleston there is very key 138 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:16.680 to the economic growth of the entire state. I often 139 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:22.279 entertain Heatherwoods stories of infrastructure and economic plans that are 140 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:25.279 laid out over decades, and her eyes never glaze over. 141 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:29.920 But the port leads to Inland Port, which is the 142 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:34.600 railroad system, and it's very It doesn't surprise me that 143 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:36.759 the area would boo be like a boon town, you 144 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.480 know what I mean, because with all that work and industry, 145 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.000 you're gonna have people flood in for the jobs. And 146 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.919 you know what's strange about growth is I don't think 147 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.200 anybody any area handles it perfectly because you don't know 148 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.799 about all the different variables or things that are going 149 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:57.480 to happen. You have to react. It's kind of hard 150 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.639 to be proactive on growth when you're talking about hundreds 151 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:04.200 of millions of dollars being spent on infrastructure, and it's 152 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:09.679 just really frustrating for locals of any type in any 153 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.399 area when it's beneficial, but at the same time is 154 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:15.840 very frustrating when all of a sudden the place you 155 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:19.600 grew up in all your life changes, it seems like overnight. 156 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:24.360 Yeah, I've experienced this. It's very disheartening. And you know, 157 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:26.840 Dylan and we might be able to afford those millions 158 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.080 and billions in infrastructure if we would stop sending our 159 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:32.679 money to other countries and to other people. But you know, hey, 160 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:34.759 you can just vote for me on election day. 161 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.960 And that's another for another podcast. But you know, so 162 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.120 if let's say you got an old store, an old 163 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:44.039 school or something that's been there all your life and 164 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.080 it's torn down, it might make you sad in your heart. 165 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:49.639 Definitely makes me sad to see that. 166 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:52.720 But though yeah, the new person who just moved there 167 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:56.519 sees that as a dangerous derelict property that's now it's 168 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.399 turned into a Starbucks and they think that's a good thing. 169 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.120 But then, and you know, the local if you will 170 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.000 not view that in a completely different way. 171 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.240 Absolutely, Yeah. I mean people aren't tied. They don't have 172 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.399 the nostalgia and they don't have like the roots in 173 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:12.320 the community and ties to the area to like appreciate 174 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:15.919 the history of it, you know what I mean. 175 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:18.600 Well, and I think that's where ownership comes in. Like 176 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:21.159 you say, you're on your family's land, and y'all you've 177 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:26.360 been there for generations, you know. Ten that nostalgia in 178 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:31.799 that connection is something that we're really losing as a society. 179 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.879 Absolutely well, we're losing a lot of shit as a society. 180 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:40.960 Somerville is known as flower Town in the Pines, and 181 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:44.000 I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds enchanting. 182 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.159 It sounds like somewhere I would want to go if 183 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:48.480 I was really high on weed. 184 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.519 It's a picturesque small town with a walkable downtown area 185 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.080 and the kind of place where residents sit on their 186 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.639 porches drinking sweet tea. Hey, this place is going on 187 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:03.000 my lot of where I want to end up. Okay, Okay, 188 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:05.039 I want to sit on a big porch and drink 189 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.159 sweet tea. Summers are hot and humid, but that's classic 190 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:12.480 low country weather. It's close enough to enjoy everything the 191 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:15.759 coast has to offer, but still like that small town bot. 192 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:17.279 Oh sounds what I understand. 193 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:18.559 Sounds perfect right. 194 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.399 So Rainma described her daughter as a ray of sunshine 195 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:25.879 who was always kind and gentle. She loved nature. Ashley 196 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:29.639 was family oriented. According to her sister Brandy, She said 197 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:33.879 Ashley was quote the best sister, Ashley married and started 198 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.240 a family at a young age. She had two daughters, 199 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:42.480 Caitlin and Hailey. With her husband. Ashley loved being a mom. 200 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.919 She was described as a very loving parent and it 201 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.440 broke her heart to discipline her kids or be strict 202 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:50.799 with them. 203 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:55.919 I like to hit the kids. I'm just kidding, stupid, No, 204 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.039 I'm just kidding. No, it's tough when you have to 205 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:02.039 always felt like you kind of had to lay the 206 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:04.360 law down. You know, I'm not beat your kids or anything, 207 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:05.600 but just I. 208 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:07.519 Think thanks for clearing that up for us. 209 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.519 Yeah, I'm not I'm not punching them. It's not close fisted, 210 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:12.240 you know what I mean. I'm not a monster. 211 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:15.159 You please stop. But you have to let people out 212 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:16.519 there who think you're being serious. 213 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.279 I have to lay down the law and you're really 214 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:22.759 just teaching them actions and consequences, you know, in a way. 215 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.600 It's true. But anytime I have had, like, you know, 216 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.120 to get on to my kids for something, it does 217 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.279 make me feel guilty or like kind of feel bad later, 218 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:34.360 like well, maybe I shouldn't have said that, or you know, 219 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:37.039 I mean, I think that's just normal for a lot 220 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:40.600 of parents to feel a little bit guilty when you 221 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:41.639 have to punish your kid. 222 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:44.159 Well yeah, and you still have to act like the 223 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.320 print stern parent, you know what I mean, go in 224 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.559 the next room, yeah and kind of cry and cry 225 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:51.720 or laugh about what they actually did, but you can't 226 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:53.360 let them see that you're laughing about it. 227 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:57.480 Yeah. Yeah. I don't have all the details, but Ashley's 228 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:02.759 marriaged and last the divorce was just does messy. And 229 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:07.279 let's be honest, I think the majority of divorces are messy. 230 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.759 I really just think it's a messy scale and it's 231 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.639 where you fall on that messy. 232 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:14.600 It's like a spectrum of mess Yeah. 233 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.159 Yeah, you got a little bit of mess over here 234 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:20.279 in full blown, full gom a shit show. 235 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.639 Yea a gomb it's a full on gom over on 236 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.840 the other side of it. Now, after a period of 237 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.600 you know, being single, she started dating again and that's 238 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:30.600 when she met forty four year old John Mitchell Junior. 239 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:34.120 Ashley was head over heels in love with John, and 240 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:37.600 her mother would say he was the love of Ashley's life. 241 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.559 Ashley and John had a son together, Aaron. Ashley lived 242 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:44.279 with her mother but did plan to one day move 243 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:47.200 in with John, so they're planning for the future. They're 244 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:51.480 looking forward to building this life together, having a family. 245 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.000 So she's already tried at love and struck out, if 246 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.200 you will, and but now she's found the one. You know. 247 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:04.039 Sometimes she takes you two or three times. Sometimes you 248 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:04.799 gotta kiss. 249 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:07.320 Some frogs, Dylan, you do, yeah to fine. 250 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:09.120 Where you get before you get a Dylan. 251 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:10.679 Before you get a frog, you can stand. 252 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:12.960 You might get a few warts along the way, but 253 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.120 you'll eventually find you one. Now, a year after their 254 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.080 son was born, tragedy struck in January of twenty fifteen, 255 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.960 John was in a terrible accident. His pickup truck collided 256 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:27.919 with an eighteen wheeler and he died at the scene. 257 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.919 Oh my god, this is like one of my top fears. 258 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.480 You're literally terrified all the time when we're on the road. 259 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:41.600 Well, yeah, I mean that's just because I'm probably like 260 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:45.000 you know, I'm a little whack adoodle. But I do 261 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.720 have this like very healthy fear of tractor trailers and 262 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:51.320 probably because I come from a family of truckers and 263 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:56.039 I know, you're talking like tons of weight and just 264 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:59.039 crashing into a car like that's never gonna be a 265 00:14:59.080 --> 00:14:59.559 good thing. 266 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:04.440 Yeah, See, I have a healthy respect for the laws 267 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:08.320 of nature and physics, right, and machines and heavy equipment 268 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.919 because I've been big tires, I've been around things like 269 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:16.399 that and various capacities a lot in my life. And 270 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:21.159 just when you're around machines that the human body won't 271 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.480 even slow them down, you know, it just it would 272 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:25.159 just mush you up and spit you out the other 273 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:27.639 end and never miss a beat. It's scary. 274 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.039 Well, like when the Griswold car, yeah, goes under the 275 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.559 truck when they've gone to get the Christmas tree in 276 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.360 the movie, and so Clark's like trying to like keep 277 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:38.759 up speed and then eventually it's like he shoots out 278 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:42.360 from under the truck. That the idea of being trapped 279 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:44.480 under a truck like that, oh my god, Like it 280 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:46.720 scares the shit out of me. It's like one of 281 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.279 those weird, kind of irrational fears. It's probably never gonna happen, 282 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.000 but it's always at the back of my mind. Yeah, 283 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.120 that's why I just try to be really respectful of 284 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:58.240 truckers and kind of keep my distance away. I don't 285 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:01.360 understand these people who do these like erratic moves, bold 286 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.240 moves around and cut in front of truckers and don't 287 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:08.240 use a signal things like that, because bro, if they 288 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:11.639 were to hit you or rearind you, you'll be fucked up. 289 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:14.399 Well, and I don't understand as long as they're driving 290 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.440 normally and safely, which they should obviously, I don't understand 291 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.519 why people with annoyance around truckers or things like that, 292 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:24.600 because it's literally the lifeblood of the country. 293 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.039 It absolutely is, Dylan, And I'm not saying that John 294 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.799 was like driving around or anything like that, but I'm 295 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.919 just like, it's such a sad situation and to lose 296 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.480 someone because that just seems like it's such a violent 297 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.440 way to have a truck collide with like a big truck. 298 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:42.960 I don't know. 299 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.440 Oh no, it's terrible. Yeah, And an accident like that 300 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:49.200 comes out of nowhere, and I'm sure it's very devastating. 301 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:54.559 Well, actually was just emotionally demolished as she struggled with grief. 302 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.679 She tried to maintain a brave face for her three children, 303 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:01.120 but she was suffering from depression in the months following 304 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:04.960 John's death. Her family says Ashley never fully recovered from 305 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.640 the loss, like it was just one of those things 306 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.880 that they kind of knew she would never get over this. 307 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.880 Well, yeah, I mean I don't know how you do. 308 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.519 Right, Well, yeah, losing the love of your life. I 309 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:21.960 can't imagine something happened to you. I hate I would 310 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:22.319 hate it. 311 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.039 No, And it's just it's so sudden, right, I mean, 312 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:29.480 it's almost you could almost compare it to someone being murdered. 313 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.240 I would be I would be like on the dark 314 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:33.839 Web trying to find like a necromancer to bring you back. 315 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.640 Is there a pet cemetery where I can bury this man? 316 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.920 You know what? And then, oh, I'm sorry, I was 317 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:42.160 comparing a tragic accident to murder, and I was just 318 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:44.960 talking about the suddenness of that is what I meant. 319 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.240 I'm sure you know, murders a lot worse than ways. 320 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:48.759 I wasn't even listening to you say that. 321 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.079 But no, but if I came back from the pet 322 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.400 cemetery and uh, but then you couldn't even note you 323 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:57.039 didn't even notice, like a real change, because I'm still 324 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.680 just like sitting there watching TV. Yeah, making noises. 325 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:03.000 It's like a almost saw me grin. That sounds pretty normal. 326 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:06.839 You make a lot of I've never been around somebody 327 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:12.400 who makes so many many like grunting sounds, and you 328 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:12.960 make a. 329 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.920 Lot of noise. Yeah, I don't know why it matters. 330 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:18.279 Yeah, I don't know. 331 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.440 Well, hey, I don't make that. 332 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.720 You make that noise in the bathroom, it's really loud. 333 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:29.759 I don't scream, stupid dude. You No, it's usually when 334 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:32.000 I'm hafting my body around. 335 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.440 Scream bloody murder in the bathroom. I'm like, what is 336 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:35.240 he doing in there? 337 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:37.960 Just let me grind, dude, let me make my noises. 338 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:40.079 Yeah, but I have to listen to it. And after 339 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:41.720 a while I'm just like, well, you shut the fuck 340 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:47.759 up with your noises. How many noises can you make? Stop? Okay, 341 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:53.400 so you make me never want to be married again. 342 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:56.799 I just just know if something happens to you like, 343 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:57.519 I'm just done. 344 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.160 That is the sweetest thing here. You're walcome, I ever 345 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:01.920 said to me. 346 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.240 Because I don't think I can tolerate any more grunting sounds. Oh, 347 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:10.920 sound like a little hogrooting around in your mudhole. Now. 348 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:16.279 By April, Ashley started dipping her toes into the dating world. 349 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.680 She wasn't interested in sex or a long term commitment. 350 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.559 Dating was more of a distraction from her feelings she 351 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.440 could be in the moment, and let's be fair, I mean, 352 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.960 dating is kind of exciting. You meet a new person, 353 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.039 You're kind of nervous anticipation. 354 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:36.640 You get to tell your best stories again and get 355 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:37.599 the first time reaction. 356 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:40.200 You never know like how it's going to go along 357 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.359 the way. You might meet some duds, but then you 358 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:45.640 could end up like making a new friend. And that's 359 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:48.200 the thing. I don't think Ashley was looking for that 360 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:50.480 long term commitment, but she just kind of wanted to 361 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.279 find some adults to hang out with. 362 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:55.759 You know, It's funny for me because people often talk 363 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.440 about the excitement of, you know, meeting someone for the 364 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:00.680 first time, or say the first as time y'all are 365 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.720 intimate or on all these things. And you know, honestly, 366 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:09.759 for me, I like the energy and everything after. I 367 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:12.599 like the long term. I like when you really get 368 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:15.279 to know someone. That's the part I savor more so 369 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.240 than the beginning because in the beginning for me, it 370 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:22.200 just feels awkward and weird and embarrassed, you know what 371 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.039 I mean? Yeah, I remember, I know if I'm saying. 372 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.640 For me, I like the connection after all that, but 373 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:30.640 I remember. 374 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:32.119 The first time and how awkward it was. 375 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:35.680 That's it's okay, But a lot of people enjoy the 376 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:40.240 excitement of the very first or whatever, but I like, 377 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:41.799 I don't as much. 378 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:44.200 You don't enjoy that? Well, no, I think you just 379 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:47.839 like you like comfort and predictability. 380 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:50.480 Yeah, okay, right, I think you're right. 381 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.920 You like the feel of like a good, solid, old 382 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:55.359 shoe that's broken in. 383 00:20:57.319 --> 00:20:59.119 Yeah, because I know if I take a long walk 384 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:02.039 in that old shoe, were going to be okay, see exactly. 385 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:04.960 Yeah, yeah, I know you baby, like a back of 386 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:09.039 my fucking hand. Well. You know, I don't want to 387 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:13.200 judge Ashley, but it does seem very soon to start 388 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:17.319 putting yourself out there. I mean, John passed away in 389 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:21.000 January and she starts kind of getting on these apps 390 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:24.880 in March talking to people, and by April she's going 391 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:27.440 on a few dates. And like I said, I don't 392 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:29.799 want to judge her, but that just seems really soon 393 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:33.559 for me, like for me personally. And I know everyone 394 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.240 grieves differently. I don't know. 395 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:39.079 I think a lot of people would view that as 396 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.960 maybe quote unquote soon too. 397 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:46.599 Soon, not really giving yourself time to process your feelings. 398 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:49.319 But I was going to say, I think that's maybe 399 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:53.200 what it is, like she's having trouble and she's literally 400 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.720 trying to distract herself from the situation. 401 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.920