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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Paul Junior Podcast. And today I

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got Nate Stewart with me. Nate's our background guy taking

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care of everything behind the scenes for us, and I

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thought it would be fun if we just opened it

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up for Q and A and I just let him

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load up the questions and kind of fire down.

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Speaker 2: So what's going on, Nate, Yeah, what's going on? Thanks

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for having me. I appreciate it definitely, And I apologize

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to your audience. I know I'm not Mikey. They're disappointed already.

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It's fine. I know they're like, where's Mikey, where's the

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star of the show. And that's actually where I want

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to kick things off, Paul, because obviously you guys have

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had a lot of podcasts together and they're fantastic. The

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audience loves it. The banter. Mikey, I'm enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoying it myself, and I didn't know that

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I would so much. I guess it was more of

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an experiment. And then every time me and him get

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together a it gives us a reason to get together,

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which we don't see each other that often, especially me

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being in New Jersey and him being in New York.

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So you know, it gives us a chance to get

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together and we brow out the whole time. It's fun,

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you know, and we banter and we get into these

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conversations that really only we understand and we don't really care,

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you know, yeh. And it's fun because it reminds me

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of the old days and even now, like the other day,

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we watch that episode and it was like flashback. I

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feel like me and Michael interact like that. No one

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else in my life really was from that time period

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or did I grow up with. So I feel like

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there's a certain I think what your brothers or siblings,

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there's a certain way you are horsing around. Mike called

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it right, because that's all we used to do is

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hit each other, push stuff, blow stuff up. And so

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when I'm with him, we can do that kind of stuff.

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We could joke, you know, we give each other a

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hard time constantly, but we have a lot of fun

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doing it.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's like nothing has changed from the show.

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Speaker 1: It's like nothing has changed, not for us, you know.

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So so it's good.

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Speaker 2: It's nice.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like we're reconnecting and we're doing it

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on the podcast predominant. I mean, he came in yesterday

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just for It's like a two and a half hour drive.

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He came up to do pretty much. We did two

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podcasts and then he headed back. So he seems to

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be enjoying it as well. There's been some hesitation on

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his part as always, and I also think that this

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is all new stuff. You know, we're not show watchers,

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any of us. I mean America Chopper, we didn't really

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watch it. I would watch it for the client, but

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I don't go watch episodes ever. I mean, people are

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rewatching the entire series, but I never go watch it.

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Neither does Michael. And there's a weirdness to it, almost

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almost like you get a little bit I don't know,

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not really self conscious, but especially the early stuff when

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we looked like are we were talked like squirrels, I

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mean are We had like these high pitched voices and

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all this baby fat, you know. And so anyway, I

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never watched the show, and so there's always a hesitation there,

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even more so for Michael. I think he worries about

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I don't know what, but he gets worked up.

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Speaker 2: And we had great time.

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Speaker 1: We threw the episode on the Mikey bike and it

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was perfect and we just talked over it and it

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was great to see us so young again, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And Mikey, speaking of which watching the episodes, he

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mentioned on the podcast it's been twenty years since he

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had watched an episode, right, Yeah, that's right. And you

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know it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I think the longer you don't do it, you think

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maybe there's a reason, and there really isn't. You just

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haven't watched it, and now you put it on and

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it's I think, Well, you know, A big thing was

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we saw my mother a couple times in that episode,

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which I did not anticipate because you got to remember,

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we have so many episodes that I don't know what's

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in what. And it was my nephew, Danny Boy being born.

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time stamp on things. And then we saw my mother

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a bunch of times. We lost her a couple of

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years ago, and she was such a rock and everyone

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was so tight with her, and it was just nice

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to see her surprise on camera. You know, she wasn't

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on the show lot, but it was the Mikey bike

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and he was pulling the bike out. My mother wanted

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to be there, and it started with a phone call.

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I heard her voice on the phone, you know, and

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it was like, oh man, and we were all so

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tight with her. So it was it was a great surprise.

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And it's Mother's Day weekend. I know that doesn't maybe

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play and when this airs, but it is Mother's Day weekend,

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and it was a nice surprise to see my mother,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: And that wasn't playned at all. It was I had

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no idea.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea of really, you know, I had

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like clips in my head of the Mikey bike maybe

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but not. It's two hours, so swell with' probably forty

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minutes each. It's two parts, so it's a long it's

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a long episode. It's not like a thirty minute or

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one hour, so just because we did him in two

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parts back then. But oh, it was so it was

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great to see it all, it really was, and it

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was funny, and it was a lot of time me

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and we It might have been the me and Mikey episode.

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We almost didn't see Vin until the end a few times,

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and it was just really me and Mikey and my

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father was like in and out and so it was

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Speaker 2: That's cool, and you had mentioned family moments, and that's

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a question I have for you. This show really went

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more into your personal lives. There was a lot of

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things personally that was recorded. The birth of your nephew, there,

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your mom. How was that for you guys, or how

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did other family members feel about that with cameras, you know,

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like in the hospital there, or was that just part

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of it you wanted to document things like that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, in the very beginning of the show,

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it was interesting because it was such a phenomenon. It

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was a phenomenon on its face, like it was just

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took everybody by storm, us especially, But then the people

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around us were like we were all of a sudden

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very famous, and that was a thing to manage. And

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it was based on some things that at the time

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people were.

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Speaker 2: Not sure about.

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Speaker 1: Is it good to be screaming and throwing and blowing

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stuff up?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: And yes, I think people had an appetite for it.

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But it was also like, I don't know that everyone

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like thought it was great in the family because then

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there's very few tuttle and they're attached to us, you know,

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and if people think it's a little weird, then there

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it's implied that they're a part of this insanity really, right,

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then it then we just became pop culture and it

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smoothed out and then it was exciting for everyone. But

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I definitely think for family members it was a little

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weird cousins and everything.

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Speaker 2: Just at first, it was just an unusual situation, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, and my mother didn't like it because,

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you know, as a kid, me and my father fought.

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that was way those arguments and those kind of frustrating

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scenarios would happen from when I was a kid, and

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so as I got into my teens, you know, you

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you respond more to your parents, especially if it's an argument,

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and so me and my father would fight all the time,

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and my mother hated it because it was ugly, just

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like most of what you saw on the TV. So

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then when that came out and that was the winning

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factor to her, that was like a deterioration of something,

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you know, like how do people like to watch you

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guys fight? It was like nails on a chalkboard to

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her whole life because I'm her son, so it's different

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you know, and so, but over time she came to

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work for me my mother, just like answering phones and

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doing charity stuff for us, and she came to love

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the show for what it was to people. What she

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realized was even though she had some reservations about it

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always because of the dynamic, she thought that was unhealthy.

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She saw a very unhealthy dynamic with me and my father,

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and everyone thought it was great. But when she came

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to work for me and she took over and she

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started talking to the charities and the people requesting things

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and all that, she realized that the show had a

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much more positive impact on the world than it did

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negative to her.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: And I got a little older, Me and my father

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by that time, we're not working together, so there was

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some breathing room, and so I think she eventually came

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around to thinking the show had was a very positive

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thing overall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was more of a positive platform. Yes, you

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and your dad had differences, and that was out for

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the public. But look how many people you reached into

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the share is and who you were able to do

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some of these builds for, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always surprising to me the amount of diversity

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in people that will come up and say what a

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significant impact our show had on their lives globally if

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they could be from anywhere, quite often even giving them

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a direction for what they ended up doing as a career.

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And they credit American Chopper for creative inspiration, drive honesty,

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like people didn't never fought on television like that, not

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in a real way, like it's just happening. The relatability

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was through the roof, and we're building amazing things. And

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I feel like that inspired like a whole generation of people.

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Speaker 2: It really did.

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Speaker 1: And I really feel like there's a lot of room

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out there right now for a show like that that

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is inspiring creator and shows more family dynamic, and that's

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something we're getting ready to work on right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's there because.

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Speaker 1: The show I would make next is just me and

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my wife and my son and the people around me

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and the people I work with and incorporating all that

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once again only two point zero, like what's happening now.

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I think people are interested in that. You know, you

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got to remember when the show was popular back in

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the day. I was a kid, and now we're all

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adults with kids. You know, some have grandkids, So that

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aspect of things is timeless.

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Speaker 2: I think that was the exact word I was gonna say.

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The show is timeless because I can tell you when

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people ask me about working with you, and or I'll

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mention it to people, they're like, well, tell me some

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of your clients, And I'm like, you're the first guy

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I bring beau. Why not? Right, throw some big numbers

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at him? Why not? I'm like, well, did you ever

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watch American Chopper? Everyone? Yes, you know Paul Senior, Paul Junior.

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Paul Junior's the guy we work with. Oh my god,

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that show. I've watched it. Yeah, everyone, it doesn't matter.

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So so do I get any discounts for that? I

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don't know how to try to figure that out. What

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do I get a deal or something? Right? Yeah, we

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got to work out something. Yeah, you're helping me out,

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so we'll see what we can do. H You mentioned

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your mom. I think that's great. And here's another part

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I've been wanting to ask you, and you've mentioned it

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a few times, but you have another brother and a

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sister and they were not, you know, stars on the show. Obviously,

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Mikey was.

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Speaker 1: We saw my brother the other day for shortly right,

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we saw him in the shop, and back then he

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was like running the steel business. I'm pretty sure it

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was so good to see my brother Danny in there.

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why I look at it, because you know, my brother's

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completely bald now, but he had hair, and I remember, like,

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you're talking about half a lifetime for us, Like half

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a lifetime ago is when this stuff was going down,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how did they feel about the show, because were

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they like, hey, we do not want to be featured,

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or how did they feel that my sister was on

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a little bit you know. I guess it's hard to say.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to ask them, but I don't think I

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think that there was some stress there in the beginning

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for them. I think my sister was still like in

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college and stuff like that, so she was at a

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different place in her life and the show was roaring

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and we were the crazy, you know. And I also

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think maybe my sister and father's relationship played into the

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stress of the situation. Maybe not always the best I

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don't want to get into it, but there's that kind

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of thing going on. So my sister wasn't very happy

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with him. Quite often I would say, maybe I'm overstepping,

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but I think that was a big point of contention. Geez,

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I don't know how much I could get into all

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kinds of stuff, but I probably shouldn't. But you know, so, Yeah,

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she wasn't a big fan my brother Danny, he was, uh,

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you know, there was some talks at one time because

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it was such a family thing. Hey, you know, it's

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like bring in the manning, you know, whereas this you

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know that, you know, we bring in the last manning,

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we know, right and so, but he was he was

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focused on the steel business, and rightfully so, and that's

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become in my opinion, probably much more successful in the

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long run.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, the show has.

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Speaker 1: A an expiration date, and it did. But you know,

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he's he stuck it out in the steel business and

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has done tremendously well for himself.

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Speaker 2: He's a juggernaut, I know, You guys have talked about

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him a lot and his success. Did he mention anything

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during the time of the show even or was he

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did they come to him with an offer to come

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on and he I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think it was anything heavy like that. He just you know,

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he was doing his own Yeah, he was focused on

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building that thing to what it is today, to be

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honest with you, So yeah, he was going for it.

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Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, back to Mikey. I think I speak

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for the audience, right. We've rolled out these episodes and

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the comments majority of people are saying, why isn't Mikey

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just the co host? Bring him on? Yes? Is that

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a possibility? Have you thought of that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's my co star. We just we established this

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yesterday pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Co star. Co star reminds me of like like TV Guide,

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you know, like the cover of TV Guide would say

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co star, you know, right.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's good. Certainly, we're good together.

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We have good synergy, we have good rhetoric. I think

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we talk about some important things, some nonsensical things, which

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is kind of fun too. It just it's like wide

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open with him and you never know when he's gonna

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take a quick left turn.

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Speaker 2: On.

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Speaker 1: You just got to follow him around the corner, you know.

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And I think it's good. I like, I like us together.

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Speaker 2: Certainly.

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Speaker 1: I could see why the people love it. You know,

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He's funny and we the banter seems to work, and

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you know, we're we're we're talking about some more series things,

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but mostly we're just having fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we're just having fun. Now, let's say

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you bring Vinnie on and Cody, which is coming, right,

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it is coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's just hard to get it all lined up,

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especially now with the summer coming. This place is insane.

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But I am going to work on it, even if

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I have to go to them. You know, I've been

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trying to hold off on doing any remotes. I feel

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like a remote is like I don't know if I

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could not do it. I mean, we did it with

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Craig Jackson from Barrett Jackson, and that was it was fine,

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sounded good, right, It looked pretty good. I mean he

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had a cool background. I had a cool background, so

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it had like something. But I feel like you lose

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something when you're not in person, don't you. Yeah, I

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mean that's I would love to have vincitting where you

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are and start to really talk about oh man, everything.

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I would really have to think about it, because I

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think we can do a dozen podcasts a three hour podcast.

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Oh yeah, and then me and him and Mikey would

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be really good because him and Vinnie and Mikey are

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fun together.

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Speaker 2: Yea.

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Speaker 1: You know, they got a great banter and a different

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type relationship than me and Vin, and it like works

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pretty well together.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the.

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Speaker 1: Great thing about like guys like Vin and there's a

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handful of them in my life and a small handful

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at that they're always the same people. You could twenty

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years could go by as soon as you see them.

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It's the same conversation. You talk the same, you act

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the same, you think, you make jokes the same.

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Speaker 2: And that's nice.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to be around people like that because they're

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far and few in between, you know, like your friend

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gro I'm fifty.

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Speaker 2: I don't need any friends.

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Speaker 1: I don't, you know, really, I mean they're there and

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I have acquaintances, but to make new friends and stuff,

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to me, I'm just not that interested. If it happens, great,

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So you really look at these guys that have been

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around for a long time and appreciate them.

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Speaker 2: M One hundred percent because I was gonna say, if

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we bring one of those guys on, I think a

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one on one podcast you vin one on one would

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be great, But I think if you throw Mikey in there,

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oh it could be really good. Yeah. I think that's

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what a lot of people would want to say. And

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we got a pretty good setup for three people here now.

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It's a great setup and background and everything visually. So

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like you said, I think if we're gonna do it,

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we gotta do it right and have him sitting here. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: And he's only two and a half hours from here,

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and it's a beautiful it's a beautiful place to visit.

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So he could come in for the weekend and hang out,

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you know, at the beach with the family. That's a

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nice thing about this location. People could come out and

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enjoy the weekend or even at day at the beach.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not like the surrounding area there's nothing

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to do, right.

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Speaker 1: There's tons to do, right. Yeah, it's a great family day.

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You know, even if he just wanted to come out

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here with his son, but I know they'll do like

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father son stuff and just come up here for a

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couple hours. Go to the beach and go back home.

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You could do it in the day. I've done the

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day trip from Montgomery to Hear several times. All right, Vinny,

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did you hear that?

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, he would be there.

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Speaker 1: I think Michael just saw him, and Michael said, you

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should come on the podcast. He goes, I know, it's

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just just make just making time is.

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Speaker 2: The tricky part. We'll get there. Yeah. You know, I

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got this spectacular trailer out here, and I would maybe

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set that up.

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Speaker 1: It just sits there. I'm not really moving the bikes

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around too much. I have a couple trips coming up.

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But if I had this mobile, I think that would

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be pretty sick in that. It's a twenty six foot trailer,

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all aluminum, spectacular, you know.

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Speaker 2: And if we put just a couple.

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Speaker 1: Signs and light it right, dude, could this thing could

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just travel? Then we could just go to Vins shop

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and be there at five when he gets off of work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then he had no choice. Then he has no choice.

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Pull kidnap him. Yeah, and everything is mobile, we could

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do that, so maybe that's a possibility too. Yeah, all right,

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So I want to get back to the show a

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little bit. I've been meaning to ask you this. I

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don't know how comfortable you're gonna feel with this, but

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I'm already uncomfortable, you know me, I answer these kind

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of questions. Yeah, this is tough, right. But the show,

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with all of its success and everything that you guys

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brought to the table and the deals you had, I'm

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so curious how much money did each episode bring in?

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Speaker 1: You know, the money changed through the years. Obviously we

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were on for ten right, so in the beginning it

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was I would say nominal, but something right, But it

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wasn't really that from the beginning. Once the show took off,

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all of our real money came from a the bike

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builds because these huge corporations were like just backing up

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the truck every episode, and one was bigger than the next.

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You know, Fortune five hundred companies all you know, we

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were turning them away, so big money came there. The

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biggest money came from licensing. Now these are anomalies. When

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you get a TV show, you generally get nothing but

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your episode fee. The licensing and all this that birth

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out of the show was was a monster. So all

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the ancillary stuff was big money. T shirts, we were

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everywhere in the world. I mean, it was a phenomenon

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of licensing. It was one of the great phenomenons in

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licensing in the past, say fifty years, one hundred years so,

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and that's gone. That type of business, that type of

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thing where you know, it was so focused. You had

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to like watch US nine o'clock on Monday night. You

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couldn't really record it unless you dvr'd it or whatever

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back in two thousand, you know, two thousand and three.

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So I feel like it was one of those things

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where there was so much focus and we wore what

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we wore, and man, people just bought it like it

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was going out. I mean, it was unbelievable. We would

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go to Sturgis or any of the big bike shows

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and sign autographs for like ten days straight and literally

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need truckloads just to get the cash home.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: It was insane like that we were we felt like

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we were printing money at one time, very much so.

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And it was shocking too, because people would come and

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spend one hundred hundred and fifty bucks in line, and

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the line would be around the building and they would

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buy two T shirts, a hat, a poster that you know,

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like they did leave like this. Every person coming through

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was spending one hundred bucks or more, you know, because

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they're buying for their family.

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Speaker 2: Right, you get an autograph on there too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's it, man. And the signature was the

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big thing. It was wild, dude, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was insane.

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Speaker 1: I remember one time signing for ten hours straight. But

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I didn't know any better, Like this was in the beginning.

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I didn't know what's.

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Speaker 2: Happening to get cars funnel listen. I grew up in

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the steel business.

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Speaker 1: I was I what it was like to kill yourself,

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work seven days a week and have very little to

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show for it. So when you're seeing this truck coming

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through dumping money on the table every five minutes, I'm serious,

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you just keep signing until your hand in face falls off,

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you know. That's what I thought, Like, of course I'm

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going to. I mean, if I ever had this chance,

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who wouldn't do that? And that's what I did. And

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then eventually, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, it becomes a little much, and then we over time.

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Speaker 1: It was good. We would do shifts, so we'd be

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be signing all day. But it'd be like me and Vin,

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Mikey and my father Rick and Vin and we'd have

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all the time, so we'd there'd be like a ten

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hour day, eight hour day, and we would maybe do

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two you know, four each.

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Speaker 2: And we would break it up. Wow, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: And then eventually it got so big we would just

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send everyone out and mostly do the appearances unless it

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was the top tier money for the appearance, you know.

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So there was a lot of that too, just showing up.

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People were paying us a lot of money just to

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show up and wave and speaking appearances stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, yeah, the licensing tell me more about that, Like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: The licensing is crazy, man. And we did deals no

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one ever did before because it was fish in a barrel.

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00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:25,680
And they would come with the standard deal and say

478
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,000
it was like ten percent with maybe like an upfront

479
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,200
of say one hundred thousand dollars advance against royalties, so

480
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,359
it would be like ten percent and one hundred thousand

481
00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:39,519
dollars against royalties. That means they give you one hundred grand,

482
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,279
and those royalties once they hit one hundred grand, then

483
00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:45,359
you start getting paid above and beyond. We would say, no,

484
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,319
we want two hundred and fifty thousand, non refundable, which

485
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,680
means it's not against the royalty. You just pay us

486
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,720
that much money to be partnering with us, and we

487
00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:57,960
want fifteen percent, so we would just go ask and

488
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,359
you know what, they'd be fighting over us. We'd be

489
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,400
dealing with different big T shirt companies. They'd be fighting

490
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,839
over us because they knew they were going to print money.

491
00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:08,759
They saw what was happening and they did. I mean

492
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,640
hundreds of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars in sales.

493
00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 2: Jeez, it's crazy, It's just crazy. And then the theme bikes.

494
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,480
Obviously those corporations saw the ratings and were like, if

495
00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:23,680
we can get our brand on, they probably had unlimited budgets.

496
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,559
Speaker 1: And you know this is where like where I look

497
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:30,279
at people's contributions to the show and like, we all

498
00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,000
know what my father's is right driving for started the

499
00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:36,960
company and he's Paul Senior. I think when I look

500
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,519
at the show from a marketing and advertising standpoint, my

501
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,920
skill set, my style, the way I approached design, and

502
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,880
how well it applied to brands was a huge factor

503
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,279
because we were able to storytell right. We were able

504
00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:55,000
to tell the story of each and every brand through

505
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:57,359
the creative process, and that was part of what people

506
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,599
loved about the show. And I think that was my

507
00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:05,400
biggest contribution other than obviously the family dynamic, and continued

508
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,839
all the way through when I started my own shop,

509
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,799
started building my own bikes, and you know, right up until.

510
00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 2: Today, this is what this is what I do.

511
00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:16,079
Speaker 1: I build in theme, and I always think about marketing

512
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,720
and advertising. It's always that to me, it's and that's

513
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,920
what I love. I love that combination because it creates,

514
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,240
It sets up the scenario in which challenges me. And

515
00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,000
then once I get the challenge, then I can apply

516
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:32,839
my creative thought process and build these works of art.

517
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: You know. And each bike we've talked about this before,

518
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:39,720
has its own story and so with that, when it's

519
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,160
got its own episode, then these brands are looking at

520
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,880
it like, not only are we being featured for the

521
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,640
world to see, but we have our own bike that

522
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,599
has its own personal touch that you cannot get Anywhere's.

523
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, people like I think they, well,

524
00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:57,200
what do we need a motorcycle for?

525
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: I think that was a thought.

526
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: That's the very narrow minded, right when you understand that

527
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,519
that motorcycle is going to be showcased on a one

528
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:09,680
hour episode of American Chopper with your brand being the

529
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:14,319
whole episode. Storyline right in two hundred countries and territories

530
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,400
and translated into ninety languages for at least a decade

531
00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:21,480
because the show was that popular in every country. Think

532
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,519
about this, You can't buy that kind of marketing.

533
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: You would go broke.

534
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,759
Speaker 1: Because how do you get in all of those homes

535
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,279
and you're in an episode. You're not even buying commercials. Now,

536
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,400
the bigger companies that were national buyers, this is how

537
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,359
it worked. If you were like a national ad sales buyer,

538
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,480
then if we were to do a build with you,

539
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,519
then Discovery would require you to spend advertising money as well.

540
00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: So that was like the give and take. And they

541
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,039
never cared like I did.

542
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:51,519
Speaker 1: The Geico bikes, right, two of them, the Gecko and

543
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:52,960
then the US Armed Forces bike.

544
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,039
Speaker 2: They were already.

545
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:56,839
Speaker 1: Gico spends that kind of money in their sleep. That's

546
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,319
all they do is spend money on marketing and advertising.

547
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,440
So for the to throw another million at the ads

548
00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:05,599
across the all of Discovery at the time, all their

549
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,960
different channels, was nothing. You know, they just did that anyways. Now,

550
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,400
if you were like a big company, but you did

551
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,319
not advertise nationally like with the bigger commercials, then it

552
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,799
was usually just a green light and we built a

553
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,640
bike for you. So some of those guys got a

554
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,880
lot of exposure and they got away with really not

555
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,839
paying anything as far as the commercial time because they

556
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,319
weren't spending that way, you see what I'm saying. And

557
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,960
that's kind of how it went. And we always had

558
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,240
a build. Sometimes we didn't know if we had to

559
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,119
build until a week before we were starting it, and

560
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,599
there was sometimes a lot of pressure there to a

561
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,079
what's the next build? But American Chopper was so fluid

562
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:47,319
in its honesty as to the reality of the situation

563
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,839
that it made great television because there was always pressure

564
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,240
for the next bike, the next build, this unveil and

565
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,240
then unveil, stack up, and then your powder coat and paint,

566
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,279
you know, the whole process when you cover it. There

567
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:02,839
was there was every kind of angle for any kind

568
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:05,440
of drama at all times. It just was built into

569
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,240
every aspect of our shop. It was just the way it.

570
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,319
Speaker 2: Was, you know. And I want to talk more about that,

571
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,480
but imagine being a brand on an episode where there

572
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,160
is a lot of drama. Then you have an episode

573
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,200
that has everyone talking, but not only that, it's like

574
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,279
we go back to what we were saying, it's timeless

575
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,359
that they that, you know, they associate that brand with

576
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,519
that episode where all those memorable moments happened.

577
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: So luckily exactly, And you know, I think, man, even

578
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,519
through the years, I think so maybe maybe a more

579
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:37,960
conservative companies maybe when they saw the episode, but man,

580
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:44,240
the the turnaround on their their brand recognition was astronomical,

581
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,319
like every time, right, because what we were doing was

582
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,880
we were putting brands names in people's mouths and minds,

583
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,519
and they did not feel like that was happening. They

584
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,279
didn't feel sold to Now we weren't. It wasn't like

585
00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,200
we were trying to undermine the audience. It was just

586
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,160
this is this was our business, and they watched it

587
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,000
and that's how it went down. And I knew, I'm

588
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,480
always telling the story, what the story of the brand,

589
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,359
and then you're watching the story of our lives in

590
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,920
that combination one every single episode for you know, well

591
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,880
over a decade, twelve.

592
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: Very long seasons.

593
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: So you know, it's kind of interesting when you look

594
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:23,839
back at it and you see the dynamic and what

595
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,319
it was and how there's never even been anything close

596
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:26,640
to it.

597
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,319
Speaker 2: Since it's very entertaining. I want the audience to know

598
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,680
I'm going back. I'm rewatching season one. Yeah, it's is

599
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,759
it holding up? It's just fantastic.

600
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's holding up for good. And you watched it

601
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,279
when you were young as well.

602
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: I did. My dad was a big fan, so he'd

603
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,240
always have it one and it came out when I

604
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,000
was twelve years old. Time time. Yeah, you know, I'm

605
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,839
going into what middle school? High school? If that's right,

606
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:52,799
and I'm rewatching it and it's so cool, like think

607
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:55,000
of you know, the audience has to think for me,

608
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:57,640
I'm watching you guys, I'm already a fan. Then I

609
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,400
get to work with you one on one and show

610
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,359
damn lucky. How cool is that? Right, luckiest guy in

611
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,200
the world. But it is very cool to see, you know,

612
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,640
all that stuff and how it's held up over time.

613
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:13,200
So I want to get more into the show because

614
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,960
I am watching it right and and there are things

615
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,400
that I'm seeing that I get where the fans may

616
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,240
have some questions for you as well. So one is, look,

617
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,200
we all know you, you and your dad would get

618
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,400
into fights, and then what would usually happen is you'd

619
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,559
leave the shop and go somewhere. Yeah, I'd usually well,

620
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,799
back there. I'd be like slipping slipping out the back door.

621
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,119
There was like, you know, two doors. I'd just go

622
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:38,880
chill because I knew it was heated.

623
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,359
Speaker 1: I'd just give it breathing time, him to calm down,

624
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:43,400
me to calm down.

625
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: How long would it be because the show is just

626
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:46,079
so mad.

627
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just went home and then there was a

628
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:51,359
big blowout phone call, or I would just wait it

629
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:52,480
out and then come back.

630
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: That happened more often than not. Right, Well, I guess

631
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:58,720
maybe that's not true. That happened every so often, But

632
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,160
of course the show is gonna you know, it's gonna

633
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,599
be If that happened twice in a month, then you

634
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,200
see that in one episode, you see, and that's that's

635
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:09,319
part of the magic of television. It really happened. It

636
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,799
just didn't maybe happen all in one day, you know.

637
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:16,480
But yeah, that was just a part of you know,

638
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:19,160
my father would take off. I would take off, you know,

639
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,720
it was I needed a little break. My father was

640
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,119
very fun to work with. We had a lot going on,

641
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,680
but he would be very sometimes try and frustrate me.

642
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: That was it. That was his only goal. There was

643
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,200
no point to it. There was no sensibility. There was

644
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,799
no I mean I.

645
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:40,079
Speaker 2: Would be working on something and he would tell me

646
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,960
that I wasn't doing the very thing I was doing

647
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,720
that kind of thing, and he knew what he was doing.

648
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,599
Just poke poke, poke, poke, and then eventually I'd freak out.

649
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,200
You know, I don't know why he did that.

650
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,839
Speaker 1: That's just how he was, you know, And I feel

651
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,839
like in those early days, that's kind of what you're

652
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:58,640
seeing now. I'm also a young guy, right, I got

653
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,039
a life. He doesn't know that, but I have a

654
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,440
life outside of work, you know. And so when you worked,

655
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,599
it's kind of hours we were working for the show.

656
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,759
I mean you're talking like extreme seven days a week

657
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,920
sometimes and working like around the clock to get stuff done.

658
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:17,119
So you know, he wanted me nailed right to the

659
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,319
shop at all times. And I was in my mid twenties, man,

660
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:22,519
I was still trying to have a little bit of fun, right,

661
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,400
and that that didn't fly, you know, for him, he

662
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,039
didn't really I don't know why he didn't get it,

663
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:28,799
because he was a fun guy, and you know, I

664
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:30,319
know he had a lot of fun when he was

665
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,880
in his twenties, you know, But for me, I don't know,

666
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,160
there was an expectation.

667
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,119
Speaker 2: I guess, all right, so I get where you're coming from,

668
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,319
paul But let me play Devil's advocate here, okay, because

669
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,960
I like you. But again, I'm watching the show, so

670
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,319
I see points and Vinnie would say this in the show.

671
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:49,400
He's like, I see where Paulie is coming from, and

672
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,640
I get where seniors coming from. And a lot of cases,

673
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,799
I do see where your dad was coming from in

674
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:57,119
some cases. One of them, and we talked about this yesterday,

675
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,400
is you'd show up late in a lot of cases. Yeah?

676
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:02,680
Was that always something? Yeah?

677
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,279
Speaker 1: You know, the late thing was very interesting because what

678
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,240
the big part of the late thing? And that played

679
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,400
for the show Where's Paullie? The whole nine And we

680
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,559
had t shirts that said where's Paulie? So just to

681
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,799
understand this became a thing, right, But you know, yes,

682
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,240
I would come in late, but I worked till nine

683
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,599
o'clock the night before. Quite often. There was a lot

684
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,200
of if you tracked my hours, I was working like

685
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:29,839
sixty hours a week. You see what I'm saying. So

686
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,440
when I'm supposed to be there at eight and I

687
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,519
worked till nine the night before, and I was a

688
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:37,559
little shot and I was thirty minutes late in the morning.

689
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,400
It was like the end of the world. Even though

690
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,240
I was putting in more hours than I was getting

691
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,599
paid for. You see what I mean, That's kind of

692
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,720
how it was. So, you know, again, I was in

693
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:50,000
my twenties, man, give me a I was trying to

694
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:50,559
have fun.

695
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes that was like a real late night.

696
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:54,880
It was mid twenties.

697
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't even like a teen's I was like, you know,

698
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,599
going out with the boys having fun. I was probably

699
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,279
single or had a girlfriend or whatever, and you know,

700
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:05,640
hanging with my peeps.

701
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:06,279
Speaker 2: That's it.

702
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: So and those were fun years for me. So they

703
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,839
didn't always align themselves with Paul Senior's perfect idea of

704
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,839
the way things should be.

705
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,359
Speaker 2: You know. Now, again, I'm going to go off that

706
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,079
because in a lot of cases, what would happen, at

707
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,400
least from what I'm seeing on the show, is there's

708
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,720
deadlines you had to meet. Your dad was really particular

709
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:27,519
about making these deadlines. Sure, so if there's deadlines and

710
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,200
you're showing up late and how he wants to get

711
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,400
things done, do you see where maybe he could have

712
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,480
been coming from. Or No, I don't really care. You

713
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:42,079
were young, don't care, because no, you not understand. Because

714
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:44,480
the reason I say that is because it kind of

715
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,119
doesn't matter. At the time.

716
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,519
Speaker 1: This is what it was, and it created all of

717
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:51,799
what we're talking about right now, right, So it's to me,

718
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,839
it's not like who's right and wrong. It's what played

719
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,200
out at the time. It's what resonated with the audience.

720
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,880
And it was a natural occurrence. It wasn't manufactured. We

721
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,920
didn't create something. And I think the honesty of the show,

722
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,759
to your point, is what, Look, you're paying attention right

723
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,839
now twenty something years later, right, and you're trying to

724
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,240
dissect it. But I don't really I'm not thinking in

725
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,000
terms of that now. When I was younger, oh, I

726
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000
would have pushed back. Oh, but I would have had

727
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:17,519
more of a.

728
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,519
Speaker 2: Thing about it because it was more personal and it

729
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:20,519
was more timely.

730
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:23,599
Speaker 1: Now it's so the past. To me, it doesn't matter.

731
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,839
I look at my father, even all the blowouts, and

732
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,960
there was a lot of me and my father had

733
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,640
a lot of attention, right obviously, so that always carried through.

734
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,119
Speaker 2: I don't carry that around.

735
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: I think people remember those days and think, oh, how's everything.

736
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't walk around with that. I see it for

737
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:40,960
what it was.

738
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,279
Speaker 1: I see how much people appreciated. I grew from the

739
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:46,400
good and bad of it, and so what else can

740
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,640
you be and do? I don't sit around thinking, oh,

741
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,480
how bad it was or who was right and wrong,

742
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,759
because I know I was right all the time. So

743
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,799
it's just clear the air on that one. But no,

744
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,599
you know two stubborn guys, me and my and you know,

745
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:03,160
when you think about it, you end up being a

746
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,759
lot like your parents, right, So if you had to

747
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:09,199
say personality wise, yeah, it was I more chill than

748
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,800
my father, Yes, that's my disposition, probably more like my mother.

749
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: But was I less stubborn? No?

750
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,159
Speaker 1: I was not any less stubborn than my father. And

751
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,320
that's what created the head budding. And everyone relates to that.

752
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,639
You're not really willing to give up too much ground,

753
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,679
and being right is the most important thing you can

754
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,760
be in that dynamic. You see what I'm saying, even

755
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,519
though it's obviously not and you learn from that. That's

756
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,559
how it felt at the time. You had to be right.

757
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,639
You see how much my father wanted to be right

758
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,239
about everything. It was just built in was what you're

759
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,639
dealing with on both sides.

760
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's another, I guess follow up question

761
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,440
because in the show, Paul, you do have such a

762
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,719
calm demeanor. I mean really the entire time. I mean

763
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,719
when you're working through it, even through the stress, there's

764
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,760
always a problem. It seemed like that would come up

765
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,519
either last minute or during it, and you just always

766
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:58,199
kept your cool. It seemed like, yeah, you.

767
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Know, first of all, we had a great team of people,

768
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,159
so you always have to give credit where it's due.

769
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:04,159
I mean, the whole group, even the guys that were

770
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,639
weigh in the background that never even spoke on the show,

771
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,920
was a big team effort. But yeah, my disposition is

772
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,519
one of pretty pretty chill. That's just how I am.

773
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:17,760
I also like problems. I like problem solving. It's one

774
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,360
of my favorite things in life. I know that sounds bad.

775
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,239
Nobody wants I don't mean bad problems, nobody wants those,

776
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,800
but like, I mean, like if we came into a

777
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,840
situation and we were halfway through a build and it was,

778
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,559
oh crap this, I like that moment because it gives

779
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,239
me an opportunity to like go okay, get into like

780
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,119
get into your creative thought process as to how you're

781
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,440
going to fix this problem. So problem solving for me

782
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,280
is as important as the creative process itself, I'll say that.

783
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:49,639
So I never really found problems to be that overwhelming.

784
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,199
I just knew we just have to reset and go where.

785
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,039
Speaker 2: You know.

786
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: That's mostly my attitude now. They once in a while

787
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,400
I'd freak out like everybody else, But mostly that's how well,

788
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:00,400
Especially in the later years, once me and my father

789
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,079
parted ways and I started my own motorcycle company, I

790
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,800
had like a determination to do things differently, that's all.

791
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: It was. Maybe not better, I would say better, but argument.

792
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:13,280
You know.

793
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: Wise, we never argued at my shop. We had disagreements

794
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:21,360
and I would win every time. And it wasn't because

795
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,000
I had to be right. It was because I had

796
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,719
a responsibility to the client because we didn't use drawings,

797
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,960
so I was carrying a pretty heavy mantle and I

798
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:31,559
was making some big promises to some big companies, so

799
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,960
I had to toe the line. But my team at

800
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,679
the time, when when I started building building bikes and

801
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,840
the show split to Senior versus Junior, was one of

802
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,079
the best teams you can ever ask for. I mean,

803
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,480
we had it all and and it was calm, and

804
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:49,280
it was smooth and We worked a million hours, and

805
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,360
sometimes people got stressed because they had family lives and

806
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,760
things going on here and there. But overall, the feeling

807
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,440
was fantastic. It was nothing that I had ever felt

808
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,960
anywhere else because there was no there was no real

809
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,800
toxicity in this in our space among any of the workers.

810
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,039
Speaker 2: You see what I mean.

811
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: We had a couple of young kids that came in

812
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:12,480
and ended up being bad eggs, but I but I

813
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,000
waited him out because I give him, like, you know,

814
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:16,760
way too much. People are like, why are you putting

815
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,320
up with this kid, But because I feel like I'm

816
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,119
trying to give him a chance. Maybe he's got some

817
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,280
issues and he's got to work through it. And sometimes

818
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,480
they get they go out, and sometimes they stay. But

819
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,840
I guess my only point is at the end of

820
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,440
the day, your team is everything, and we had such

821
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,719
a crack team at that time.

822
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,559
Speaker 2: It was smooth.

823
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: I think Vin's gonna want to talk about that, because

824
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,880
I talked to him and I said, dude, I want

825
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,119
to get in and talk about the show.

826
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,559
Speaker 2: He goes. I want to talk about when I came

827
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:42,360
to work for you.

828
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,039
Speaker 1: That's my favorite part of American Chopper, which is surprising

829
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,960
because the early years was so fun, right, But I

830
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,519
think he could tell that story. But just the same

831
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:53,480
I think there's I don't know, man, there's a lot

832
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:55,360
of conversations to be had about.

833
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: This type of stuff, you know. Yeah, and even you know,

834
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,599
back to the question, even if things dig go wrong,

835
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:04,079
what's the point of getting so angry and yelling. It's like,

836
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,119
you solve the problem and you probably got better from it,

837
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:08,880
you know, to make the same mistake on the next

838
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,480
bike or something.

839
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: So I would say that even for uh, yeah, exactly,

840
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,360
for like fab and stuff. Yeah, there was a little

841
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,159
curve when we first started building bikes. You learn, oh

842
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,920
that bracket broke. It was only eighth inch. It should

843
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,920
be quarter right. I know that sounds obvious, but the

844
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,599
only way to get there is to break things a

845
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:26,039
little bit.

846
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

847
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: But you know, Fortunately for me, I worked through that

848
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,000
portion of it pretty quick because I came from a

849
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,840
steel background, so I understood structural integrity. I understood what

850
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,320
that was, and I knew the vibration of these rigid

851
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,639
motorcycles was problematic for some of the custom stuff we

852
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:44,679
were doing. So you make the adjustments, you make it better,

853
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,159
make it stronger. But the creative process started pretty early

854
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,480
on with me on bikes when I just started to realize,

855
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:53,719
man this, I got this idea.

856
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,639
Speaker 2: I got this idea. I didn't have anything to do.

857
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: With theme, like like a Geico bike at first. It

858
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,320
just had to do with a style like that that

859
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,880
was kind of coming from me, and that became our

860
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,840
style ultimately from every bike we built right up until

861
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,320
the end. That became my style, whatever that was, you know.

862
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:17,639
So I like to work in that capacity. It gives

863
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:20,400
me inspiration. I need theme. I say it all the time.

864
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,199
I don't know if people always know what I mean,

865
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,639
but I know what I mean, and I need a theme.

866
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,039
Speaker 2: Whatever it is. Your shoes.

867
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,079
Speaker 1: I could build a motorcycle around that pair of sneakers

868
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:30,559
right there.

869
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's wild on the show watching you when

870
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,679
you go on you know, your research and development, like

871
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,119
with the companies. Yes, And even when they cut to

872
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:40,639
the interviews, they're like, man, I see Paul looking in

873
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,000
his mind's working and turning, and you can tell right

874
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,199
then that you know you're going to use this part

875
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:48,039
of the bike or this is this is going to

876
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:50,239
really be a big feature And then it comes to

877
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,519
life and it's it always seemed to work out no

878
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,239
matter what it always did.

879
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,199
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, man, we made a lot of CEOs

880
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,360
super nervous. They they because they want transparency, transparency, they're

881
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,559
all controlled. For example, I want to know everything I know.

882
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,920
We've talked about this before, but a lot of sleepless

883
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:11,440
nights leading up to these unveils because they built that

884
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:15,199
bike in their head a thousand times and now they're thinking, well,

885
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:20,000
what if I don't like it, you know, and then boom,

886
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:22,360
it's better than they could have done, and it looks

887
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,920
branded like they couldn't believe, and everything they said we incorporated.

888
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000
So a sigh of relief from everyone very much, and

889
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:30,440
then their interviews.

890
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,119
Speaker 2: Would be look like a sigh of relief.

891
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: And then we'd get a call the next day from

892
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,480
a company saying, hey, I really liked what you see that.

893
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: See when when when?

894
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:41,119
Speaker 1: When the show split to Senior versus Junior. The one

895
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,480
thing we really shined with other than our team was

896
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,719
the way we marketed for our brands. Because remember the

897
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,760
show was split. OCC had their client for an episode,

898
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,480
we had our client, whoever that was. We both built bikes.

899
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,039
It did get a little thinned out at that time.

900
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,000
Because that's normally when we were together, there was one

901
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:03,480
client and sometimes went two hours to two different episodes

902
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:06,159
to make up one, and so this split. But so

903
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:11,719
I was always very hyper focused on really being talking

904
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,920
about the brand, referring to the brand properly before their products.

905
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,760
I would make sure they were said right. If there

906
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,039
was a tagline, I'd use it a lot, and I'd

907
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:23,039
use it appropriately. I wasn't holding the can and saying

908
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:27,039
buy this tomato soup. I was saying all the things

909
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:29,760
that this brand wanted me to say, and consistently, because

910
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,079
again you have to understand, we didn't have any control

911
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:36,320
over editing. So what I knew out of percentages of time,

912
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,360
if I kept reinforcing the message as we're building this

913
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,840
infused creative that eventually it would make television, you see.

914
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:47,559
Speaker 2: And that was a lot. We would do that a lot,

915
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:50,360
and you'd get very little out of that big pile

916
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,920
of information you kept putting out there. You know, Yeah,

917
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,360
you're representing the company, so you don't want to you

918
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,360
don't want to be the one that's uh million, million percent.

919
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,639
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because I think maybe a viewer

920
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:04,400
would see that we were building a bike which was true,

921
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,280
but I felt like I was working for that company.

922
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,760
It was my I was the marketing guy for that

923
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,199
company for that time period, and I made some big

924
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,239
promises and I had no I have no pictures that

925
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,719
they signed off on. So that's a lot of pressure.

926
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,400
That also helped me be even more creative. It pushed

927
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,280
me even harder to put more into each and every project.

928
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,320
And the same thing with the team. We were always

929
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,440
pushing ourselves into our abilities. We always pushed past our

930
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,440
last thing we did at least most of the time.

931
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,360
And I would push all my guys, Vinnie Brendan, very

932
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,719
qualified people. I mean, we would all be pushed, Oh

933
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,400
can you do it? I don't know, Well, see if

934
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,079
you can get it, See if you can do it. Okay,

935
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,440
you know, and then they start working, Okay, I think

936
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,719
we got it. Like I would have not done this

937
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,280
had it not been for this project. And even when

938
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,599
I had Rick on one thing, I said, what's the

939
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:55,800
one thing you missed from the show?

940
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: The creative process?

941
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: That's the one thing he misses that really came from

942
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,119
a team effort at the time where we were making

943
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,280
Magic and I was the head of that process.

944
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,199
Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm saying.

945
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,559
Speaker 1: So me and Rick working together, working through things.

946
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:15,079
Speaker 2: He misses that that's a fun thing.

947
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: And I remember having conversations with him, and I'm very

948
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,360
respectful with people like Rick because he has so much

949
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,320
to contribute. And then you have to just tow the

950
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,599
lines and like your idea, but we're gonna stick with this,

951
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,800
you know, we're gonna make it, keep that arch going

952
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,800
on the bottom of the tank whatever, Just things like

953
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,039
that fine tune.

954
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,199
Speaker 2: Because you're in charge and you representing the content. That's it.

955
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,079
Speaker 1: And it's so weird because I think people who are

956
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:39,480
in charge creatively, they can get like I always found

957
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,639
that if I use these guys, first of all, if

958
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,039
they're working for you or you're paying them to be there,

959
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:49,199
you're paying them for their expertise, right, So if that

960
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,119
can improve what you're gonna give to the client, then

961
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,960
how do you not take that into consideration. Been tremendously

962
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,159
great suggestions made, even little ones that made a big

963
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,440
difference in a step on a motorcycle that was just

964
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,519
you know, I was orchestrating with these guys and their talents,

965
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:07,280
and I was it was all coming together, and I

966
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,719
had the vision in my head, but we would work

967
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,000
through it as a team and it was really remarkable.

968
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,400
What a weird business model, you know, Like nobody in

969
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,440
the world does theme motorcycles and sells them to all

970
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,840
exclusively large corporations. I don't build bikes other than that,

971
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,360
and they might come far and few in between. But

972
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,599
my body of work is is pretty stout.

973
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: Man.

974
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: There's no there's no production bikes out there from me,

975
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:31,679
you know what I'm saying.

976
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: It's and it's something to see them in person too.

977
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,800
I think anybody who's seen your bikes in person they

978
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,599
look bad ass on TV. When you start seeing the

979
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:42,639
details of everything that went into it from the show

980
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,840
and you're like, wow, these are truly works of art.

981
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: You're right, even the one behind you there, Dude, that

982
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,519
that build off two bike, this is you know, I

983
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:55,519
never get tired of complimenting that bike right there.

984
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm like.

985
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,199
Speaker 1: It's just sitting around for you know, twenty years. Look

986
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,639
at that thing, dude, I know, and in that it

987
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,039
belongs in a museum. It is gorgeous. You don't have

988
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,880
to like motorcycles to like these bikes. You see, this

989
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,519
thing could be right in a museum and a little

990
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,159
kid would come up and love that bike just because

991
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:17,239
it's attractive to the eye. The form and function of

992
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,079
what you're dealing with. I'm telling you that American Chopper

993
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,599
is made up of ninety percent not motorcycle fans. Our

994
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:27,199
audience is ninety percent nothing to do with motorcycles. What's

995
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,000
that about, right? They enjoy the family dynamic and the design,

996
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:32,360
the artwork.

997
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: And going back to what you were saying, the creative process.

998
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,679
As a fan, it's so cool to see because here

999
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,480
you are with the steel frame, nothing right, and by

1000
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:44,239
the end of the episode, it becomes your imagination brought

1001
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,280
to life, the team's imagination brought to life, and we

1002
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:47,760
miss that.

1003
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: You know, me too, Man, me too, honestly I do,

1004
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:52,960
even like you know, meeting with Rick and Mikey and

1005
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:55,920
like the more I meet with the past, the more

1006
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,039
I'm like, man, I think we could do something like

1007
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,679
that again, you know. And you know your point with

1008
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,000
the frame right, So that's what it is. It's like,

1009
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:05,280
this is like a pile of pipe on the on

1010
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,159
the on the lift right, and the frame is such

1011
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,239
is probably the most critical.

1012
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: Point.

1013
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,519
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of how to say this. The

1014
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:20,760
frame is extremely critical to the overall design of the motorcycle.

1015
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:24,480
If it's tall and it needs to be stretched out,

1016
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:26,559
then it's not the right frame, you see. So quite

1017
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,199
often I would order the frames and I would figure

1018
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,639
out all the proportions, so those frames are very purpose built.

1019
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,840
Sometimes I need a real long backbone, sometimes shorter, wider tire, narrower,

1020
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,719
whatever fits the theme. So that frame is literally the

1021
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,599
bones of the bike, and then everything works around that,

1022
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,360
and so your proportions and everything like that, your rake

1023
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,840
and stretch, the way your front end looks, the height

1024
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,840
of your tire, all that stuff has to be figured

1025
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,280
out so that it could be engineered properly so that

1026
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,000
it has the right rake and trail so that when

1027
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:01,440
you drive the motorcycle it's safe, you know. So, yeah,

1028
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,760
it's pretty interesting. It is a fun aspect of form

1029
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,559
and function. It is moving art. Think about it how much.

1030
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,280
It's the funnest thing about it that you can look

1031
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,519
at that bike and go wow, and then get on

1032
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:14,559
it and rip down the street on It's a real

1033
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,760
it's a really interesting combination. And I'm so glad God

1034
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,840
didn't just make me a painter. You know, No, don't

1035
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,320
get me wrong. Painters are fantastic, but this is like

1036
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,679
way funner and I mean painter, like somebody who just

1037
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,920
does paintings in a frame and put on a wall.

1038
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:29,159
Speaker 2: You know.

1039
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,119
Speaker 1: I love this form of art and it translates into

1040
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:37,119
everything and anything for me, interior, cars, you name it.

1041
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,239
This gift that God has given me is the creative

1042
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,480
gift and it applies to absolutely everything and anything. And

1043
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:46,599
when I put my mind to it, and especially in

1044
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,559
combination with my wife, who is hyper creative as well,

1045
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,320
we make some crazy stuff together. Man. We come up

1046
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,480
with some really good ideas and once applied, it's as

1047
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,400
impressive as that motorcycle behind you.

1048
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: And that's that's where we're at. That's what we do.

1049
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,639
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think people fully understand that, but

1050
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,679
I think they're getting ready to cause we're I think

1051
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:09,639
we're gonna have some pretty good content coming out.

1052
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 2: Guys. Got to stay tuned for that. Yeah, stay tuned.

1053
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,519
And another thing, And again, I'm not trying to call

1054
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,599
you out on all your flaws. So yeah, you are

1055
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,400
getting tired of Yeah, I got one more. I got

1056
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,079
one more. I told you be prepared today. Okay, So

1057
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,400
you did tell me that, So the pressure's on, so

1058
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,639
hopefully you won't beat me up after this. But another

1059
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:36,039
thing here too, right, was the cleanliness of the shop. Yeah,

1060
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,559
your dad was really big on that. Yeah. Again, I'm

1061
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:41,599
rewatching season one. So when you guys make the transition

1062
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:43,639
to the new shop, a big thing he says was

1063
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,719
we're gonna keep this place clean and organ Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah.

1064
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,199
Speaker 1: So you obviously that played big time with the coffee

1065
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,360
cups and everything else, right, And that was always the case. Uh,

1066
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,480
I don't like the word cleanliness. Sounds like we were dirty.

1067
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:59,360
It was messy. Quite often was messy, yeah, because you're

1068
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,239
really dealing more with tools, not looking there's food everywhere,

1069
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,000
you know, maybe coffee cups, which was always a problem

1070
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:10,320
because they would just be everywhere. You know what, dude,

1071
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,119
that's every shop I've ever been to at any given time,

1072
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,119
no matter where you are. Very few shops are perfect.

1073
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:19,360
Where the people aren't leaving tools out, there isn't stuff.

1074
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,119
Especially you got a problem. You got three guys on it.

1075
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:25,480
You're putting the motor in, it's not bitting it. Grab

1076
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:27,880
this tool, that tool. You know, the air hose is

1077
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,440
out and it looks like you know what's going on here. Certainly,

1078
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,519
at the end of the day, the cleanups probably could

1079
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,760
have been better. But I don't mind a little mess.

1080
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,039
Speaker 2: I kind of like to.

1081
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: Operate in a little bit of chaos. I just like

1082
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:43,480
that for me, you know. I like a little even

1083
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:46,079
here right now it's a little messy. Yeah, like I

1084
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:48,559
have like I'm working on a sign, you know, I'm

1085
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:51,079
doing a little restoration over here, and like I'm kind

1086
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:53,519
of sprawled out, and I like it not neat and

1087
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,280
like all this looks great, but I've got a little workshop.

1088
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: I walk into it like there's something going on. I

1089
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:01,400
like that. I like that vibe, you know. But certainly

1090
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,039
it would get out of hand. You know. We would

1091
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:07,280
be have some days where we were real busy and.

1092
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,159
Speaker 1: My father would come in and would just look like

1093
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:11,519
a bomb went off, you know, and then we'd have

1094
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:15,159
to shut it down, clean up, reset, And it's good.

1095
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:18,000
It's also nice to have a nice environment where you're like, wow,

1096
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:21,480
there's not stuff everywhere where every You're spending five minutes

1097
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:24,880
looking for a tool every other tool, you know, So

1098
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,079
there's something to it as far as being organized.

1099
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: And then later I like my shop knee neater the better. So,

1100
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:32,480
but that's just.

1101
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: Being young, I think mostly, you know, you had a

1102
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,079
bunch of young guys, and dude, we were all in

1103
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:38,800
our twenties, all of us and some younger.

1104
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: Right, and he was around your age when the show

1105
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,280
he was you know, I'm trying to think. Yeah, he

1106
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,800
was probably I think it was like fifty four.

1107
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was probably like four years older than

1108
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:50,840
me now right, Yeah when the show, when the show first.

1109
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: Started, So he was just he was just really particular

1110
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,440
about that. Yeah, you know, yeah, and I think in.

1111
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: Your fifties, I mean you saw he was so prime.

1112
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:02,239
My father, he was just fired up the diesel, lots

1113
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,559
of energy. Yeah, it was you know, I think fifties

1114
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:06,880
is a good is a good age for.

1115
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: That kind of thing, you know, right, yeah, for sure.

1116
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:11,599
But I get to your point too, right, like at

1117
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:13,519
the end of the day, maybe clean the whole shop

1118
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:14,880
up so you come in the next morning.

1119
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: He's got a different You always try that. It never

1120
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:22,440
never works. Never we tried that every you know, I

1121
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,360
grew up in the steel business. It was the same

1122
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,400
thing there, you know, right, you got all your clamps

1123
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,159
for your making pipe brown there's clamps all over instead

1124
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,440
of hanging them up, you know, just just stuff like.

1125
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,199
Speaker 2: It's just how it is. Yeah, well, like you said,

1126
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,480
you're working, so it's gonna get messy. It's just I

1127
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:37,039
think so.

1128
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,559
Speaker 1: But you know it played heavy into the show, and

1129
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:41,559
you know it gave my father one more thing to

1130
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:42,559
bug out about.

1131
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: And that made great television, you know. Yeah. Uh, speaking

1132
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,800
of your dad, I want to keep it going. Just

1133
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,199
just another question with him. So and again I'm speaking

1134
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,960
for the fans. Okay, you got this podcast. It's great podcast,

1135
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,760
and everyone's saying Senior gonna come on the podcast. I

1136
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,280
would have them on. I don't know that he would

1137
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,840
come on, but I would ask him why not? Why

1138
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,960
Why do you think he wouldn't. I don't know.

1139
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just being presumptuous. But have you reached out

1140
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,960
to him at all to be on the podcast?

1141
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: No, not yet, gotcha. I just I don't know if

1142
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,920
he would want to do that. Yeah, maybe, but I

1143
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,719
don't I could ask him. He might be ready to

1144
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,119
come on. Who knows. I would hope.

1145
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: So he's never been to the island to my knowledge,

1146
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,400
really he hasn't been down here.

1147
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:32,199
Speaker 2: Nope, yeah, nope, But maybe I should change that. You know,

1148
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,519
because he's wonder what I should do and shouldn't do

1149
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:38,199
concerning things of this nature. It's the right move. But

1150
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,679
I would love to have him on, yeah, because that

1151
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,559
I'm telling you just from what I see from the fans. Yeah,

1152
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:47,880
Paul Senior would obviously probably be my biggest guest I

1153
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,199
gave you know him and you know, maybe like a

1154
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,880
president or two, you know, But yeah, I definitely think

1155
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,880
that that would go over big with the audience and

1156
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,519
we could talk about some fun stuff. You know. I

1157
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,679
also worry about how people but look at the past, you.

1158
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:04,039
Speaker 1: Know, Like I just gave you my opinion of the

1159
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:06,320
way I see things now compared to what it used

1160
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,519
to be. Not everybody has my bright, shiny viewpoint of

1161
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:14,599
the past, you know, it's just not the way it is.

1162
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:16,159
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1163
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: I guess we could see. We could only see, you know.

1164
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,039
I do feel like through the years it's a shame

1165
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,639
that me and my father don't have a better relationship

1166
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:29,159
because we accomplish so much, and we really don't. We

1167
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:35,280
never celebrated it as a like as a team, you

1168
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,719
know what I'm saying, And so I think that's kind

1169
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,880
of terrible, especially when I think about my son, and

1170
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,239
if I had the kind of success me and my

1171
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,280
father had with my son, it would be all the time,

1172
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,559
high fives, you know what I mean, Like it would

1173
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:51,400
be nothing but good times.

1174
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: You know. So that's the aspect of it that I

1175
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,360
wish was not the way it is. But for whatever reason,

1176
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,039
it's that way.

1177
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: And it's not because I'm holding out or because I'm

1178
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,840
harboring resentment. It's just because it's just it just hasn't

1179
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,920
worked out for us in that way, you know, right. Yeah,

1180
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,199
I don't want to go too deep into it. I

1181
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,079
think people just wanted to know, like, what was the

1182
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:15,559
latest I would love to have on my podcast? So

1183
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,360
it would be so great, it would be good. It'd

1184
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,519
be good, I think. So maybe even I would have Mikey.

1185
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:24,599
Maybe that would off in the blow. Yeah, you'd have to.

1186
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 2: I don't.

1187
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,519
Speaker 1: I think he thinks like maybe I would like ambush

1188
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:28,480
him or something like that.

1189
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it would go that way at all.

1190
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:33,199
I think it wouldn't because I would never do that, right,

1191
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:36,119
you know, I don't know. I think I think people

1192
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:38,360
get I think as they get older, they chill, but

1193
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,440
they also get more stubborn. And I can just say

1194
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,119
this from a fan. What I would want to hear

1195
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,000
is exactly what you do with Mike is just the memories. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1196
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,960
for sure, for sure. You know, we'll see what happens,

1197
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:51,519
We'll see what It's not too late.

1198
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm not against. I would love to do it. Yeah,

1199
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:56,159
you know, I would even go to him, right, yeah,

1200
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,239
just nice way to do it. Go down there, go

1201
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,440
to his farm down there.

1202
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be cool to check out. So I got

1203
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,280
to follow up with Senior just because of that. And

1204
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,519
this is a good question. This is actually a fan question.

1205
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,000
I can't remember who asked us, but very good and

1206
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:11,199
I wanted to throw it out there. Your favorite memory

1207
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,920
with your dad besides the show or maybe personal with

1208
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:24,440
the show. Favorite memory with Senior? Wow, believe it or not.

1209
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: Man, At an early age, he would take me for

1210
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,760
rides on his motorcycle and I would help him work

1211
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,639
on his motorcycles very like, you know, hand him a

1212
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:35,440
ranch type thing once in a while. But we would

1213
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,960
go for a ride. And I feel like when I

1214
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,880
was young and I had this this awesome stars and stripes,

1215
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,599
you know, like heavy metal flake helmet, you know, like

1216
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:50,159
the full helmet, and I would wear that, and he

1217
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,199
would take me for rides, you know, and I'd go

1218
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,639
for a motorcycle ride at like I don't know, young

1219
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,360
and that was to me, like the best thing ever,

1220
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,280
you know. So that's like a memory that I remember

1221
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:04,039
really thinking a lot of that, and it was something

1222
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:07,159
we did together, and you know, we didn't growing up

1223
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,599
wasn't the best, but it was those moments that like

1224
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,960
I really remember and they made me feel special.

1225
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: I think, you know, because there's several moments in the

1226
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,559
show too. Of course you guys are business partners. But

1227
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:22,239
at the end of the day, oh, there were so

1228
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,639
many times in the show that we had fun. We

1229
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,480
had so much fun. Man, we laughed, we had the

1230
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,159
same sense of humor, we did all the same dumb

1231
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:35,599
stuff and and so we had just endless amounts of fun,

1232
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,719
you know, for years and years, we really did. And

1233
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:39,719
it was always like.

1234
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: You know, blowing something up, smash you had to smash something,

1235
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:46,639
you know, it was like the that was like the

1236
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:50,000
there was like the pressure valve just opened up, you know,

1237
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,920
like you just burned off steam right there. And we

1238
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,679
had a lot of fun doing that kind of stuff.

1239
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,960
And we did that, whether there were cameras or not.

1240
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,400
And it happened way before the show. You know, we

1241
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,599
did so much crazy stuff in the steel business for years.

1242
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,559
So that's just the way we are. And I'm not

1243
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:09,199
like that so much anymore. I look back, I'm like, dude,

1244
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:10,920
I was like a neanderthal back then.

1245
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 2: I really was. We all were. It was just the

1246
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,239
way we were. Man.

1247
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: It was rough around the edges and everyone was like it,

1248
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:19,599
and all my cousins and we all talked the same

1249
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,639
and acted the same, said the same stuff. You know,

1250
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,239
gotten fights, all that. M You know, it's good and

1251
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,400
at times, man, you know.

1252
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: And again just as much as you know your dad

1253
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,000
is known for getting angry and yelling and all that.

1254
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,800
There's a lot of cases on the show where he's

1255
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,360
very impressed with what you're doing and he says, he's like,

1256
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,239
I'm very proud and I'm very proud of Michael and

1257
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,119
that sort of thing. Like I think he deserves a

1258
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:45,960
lot of credit for that. You know, Well, I don't

1259
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,360
know if he does. I don't think he does. And

1260
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,800
the only reason I say it is because like that's

1261
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,719
just what you say and do when you're you're proud

1262
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,599
of your It's just how it is like you do something,

1263
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:57,719
you give it, there's a credit thing.

1264
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,159
Speaker 1: It's like, well it was appreciated, but you follow what

1265
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:04,239
I'm saying, right right, and I guess, and I guess

1266
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,199
I don't think it was. He wasn't, thankless, never representing

1267
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:10,800
that we had disagreements. We had a lot of fun.

1268
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,440
We had a lot of disagreements and we had a

1269
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,400
lot of fun. So you know, in that dynamic, yes,

1270
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,880
there were times where he was very complimentary.

1271
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:23,039
Speaker 2: You know, even I remember.

1272
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:27,039
Speaker 1: I remember I was like fourteen and I was competing

1273
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:30,079
in the nationals for bench press and I benched like

1274
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,719
I don't know, like three thirty five or something like that,

1275
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,519
and I broke like the state and national records in

1276
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:40,280
that in my father was very I moved emotionally because

1277
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,519
I had won, like it was an accomplishment and it was.

1278
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:45,480
So you know, there's moments in my life with my

1279
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,320
father that and my father never missed a football game.

1280
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,000
I mean, you know, when I talk about like the

1281
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,719
things that aren't so good, the flip side of it

1282
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,039
is there was a lot of good things as well.

1283
00:58:57,239 --> 00:58:59,159
You know, my father drank until I was ten, but

1284
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:01,719
after that he really tried hard and he showed up.

1285
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:04,760
He loved to watch me play football, track and feel

1286
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,599
everything every sport I played. He was always there. So

1287
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:11,119
he was very committed from that perspective, you know. But

1288
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:15,159
our dynamic was just one of a lot of tension

1289
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,039
all the time. You know, it's always very tense. My

1290
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:21,239
father's a complicated dude. If you haven't noticed, you know.

1291
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,840
But but like I said before, I'm not like I

1292
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,519
just want to be like whatever, whatever it is now

1293
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:29,360
is what I want. I really like to close the

1294
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,440
door on the pass with him, with any of the

1295
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,559
things that maybe holding back any kind of relationship. I

1296
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:37,320
just don't know how to do that exactly.

1297
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's what everyone would want to see,

1298
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,199
and I hope for so, you know, we hope that

1299
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:43,679
all works out. It's when you guys, let's get back

1300
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,280
to some of the builds and that sort of thing.

1301
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:49,800
Were there any bikes that you really did not enjoy

1302
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,760
working on where you were like, god, that was a

1303
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,039
real pain in the ass, or I mean you weren't

1304
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,719
a fan of like one in particular if you had

1305
00:59:57,719 --> 00:59:58,480
to nail it down.

1306
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,199
Speaker 1: No, No, you know there were projects that I was

1307
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:05,800
a part of that maybe it wasn't my creative direction,

1308
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,320
and things were getting done that I might not have done.

1309
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,480
But there was so much going on I couldn't like,

1310
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:14,920
you know, you pick your battles at that stage, so

1311
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,199
you don't have something to say about everything, and you

1312
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,719
just you're like, Okay, this is my project, but not

1313
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:21,880
entirely that I.

1314
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: Can think of. There was nothing.

1315
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: Everything was like, you know, every project was unique and different,

1316
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,400
and they came with their own challenges and yes, some

1317
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,239
almost killed us, they really did, you know, because we

1318
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,519
did a lot of crazy custom stuff and that you know,

1319
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,119
for whatever reason, when you start putting it back together,

1320
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:42,440
nothing fits every like everything needs a little you know,

1321
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,840
something you know, and mostly that's not. It's like the

1322
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,880
half the time that is true, though, and it depends

1323
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:49,760
on your clearances.

1324
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,679
Speaker 2: Your coatings adds up. You got your chrome layers, you

1325
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:54,880
got your powder coat the powder coats too thick.

1326
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: You go to put it in and it's off by

1327
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,639
a half inch. You're like, how's it off by a

1328
01:00:58,679 --> 01:00:59,199
half inch?

1329
01:00:59,280 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 2: You know?

1330
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: So there's always that. But that's kind of like what

1331
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,519
I was talking about before. That's the troubleshooting. How do

1332
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:06,599
you fix this problem?

1333
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:08,599
Speaker 2: Well, to follow up with that is there a bike

1334
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:11,880
that you did that you're happy with, or maybe one

1335
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,880
that could use a little work that you would love

1336
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,960
to redesign. Now, you know, I don't really think so.

1337
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:19,880
I don't ever.

1338
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: See a bike that I've built where I don't think

1339
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,039
that it could be better.

1340
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:26,599
Speaker 2: You gave it, you're all then, and that's the way

1341
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:29,000
it is. No. I gave it my all then, and

1342
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,800
I still think it could be better. Oh so you'd

1343
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,480
think that there's always some improvement really always with all

1344
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:37,199
of them, with all of them, really, you know the

1345
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,360
Black Widow? Uh yeah, yeah, you know.

1346
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: I only say that because, like, I'm not looking at

1347
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,360
it and picking it apart, right, I just always feel

1348
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:47,639
like it could be better.

1349
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: That's my thought process. Are you a perfectionist? I think

1350
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,800
a little bit. And that's helped me not to the point.

1351
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,760
I don't look at these and.

1352
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: Go, oh, this always bothers me when I look at it, No,

1353
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,800
because there's not a lot to there's not a lot

1354
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,400
wrong with these bikes, And I guess and I don't think, like,

1355
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,159
if you looked it over, you probably find zero wrong

1356
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:09,159
with the lines from see here's the thing. For me,

1357
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:13,119
it's about the three dimensional proportions. I've noticed that people

1358
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:15,719
will build a theme bike and from the side it

1359
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,679
looks great and you get behind it and it just

1360
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,880
it's like lost. You lose it because you're like, this

1361
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,199
looks terrible from this angle. With me and motorcycles, every

1362
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,039
aspect of every view of the bike at any angle

1363
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:33,519
has to look perfect. It can't have an awkward spot.

1364
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:35,920
And so that's what I'm always working through. How do

1365
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,960
we get rid of all the awkwardness and make this

1366
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,800
thing beautiful? Because if you looked at a pile of

1367
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,920
clay on a frame, a lot of people could do

1368
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,960
a lot of different things, but this is what.

1369
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: I do, you see what I mean? And the endgame

1370
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:51,760
is this, right, So and plus you know had deadlines

1371
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,639
to meet, so there were probably things that maybe you

1372
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:55,360
wanted to do but just didn't have time.

1373
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,679
Speaker 1: That could be a factor at times. Yeah, I mean, look,

1374
01:02:58,719 --> 01:03:01,280
I've seen people build bikes and take four years and

1375
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,119
the bike is maybe not my flavor. But I'm looking

1376
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,639
at this thing and like they made all the bolts,

1377
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:10,199
you know what I mean, Like they made custom application

1378
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,960
bolts for it. So this is, you know, a four

1379
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,079
year project. I couldn't deal with it. I wouldn't. I

1380
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:17,719
wouldn't even want to do a four year project. Okay, honestly,

1381
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,079
I need a like couple three four weeks. I get

1382
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:22,599
the creative out of my system and I'm onto the

1383
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:23,360
next project.

1384
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,519
Speaker 2: That's what I need. I can't do this four year

1385
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:26,119
long Now.

1386
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: If there was the right situation, like a car build,

1387
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:31,960
and I was like being like a lead creative on it,

1388
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,519
and there was a team, then that's that's not a

1389
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:36,400
problem because I don't have to be chained to it

1390
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,519
all the time. I just design it, I oversee it,

1391
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:41,920
and we follow you know, we could do a follow

1392
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,320
through and create.

1393
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,039
Speaker 2: This beautiful work of art, which.

1394
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: I intend on doing more of. By the way, I

1395
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,800
did that Zephyr. It was spectacular. Now it's sold and

1396
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,800
I'm ready for the next project, and I got some

1397
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,000
ideas about it. But I think my flavor is along

1398
01:03:56,039 --> 01:03:58,480
the lines of that Zephyr. I probably won't do another

1399
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:00,960
Zephyr unless someone wanted me to, because I feel like

1400
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,920
I did everything I could to that car and still

1401
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,719
respected the original design. But I like that Art Deco's thirties.

1402
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:11,519
The Art Deco thirties look is it for me? I

1403
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:14,159
can't look at sixties cars and muscle cars.

1404
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:17,119
Speaker 2: I could do stuff with them. There's no limitations.

1405
01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: But right now, if you're talking just personal like I'm

1406
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:24,719
a fix I'm fixated on these cars that you know,

1407
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,320
they are looking special for the time period, and there's

1408
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,760
a handful of them out there that are good examples

1409
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:32,239
of something I could take and do, kind of like

1410
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,199
I did with the Zephyr, where you would look at

1411
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:37,119
it and it's just elevated, and so that's kind of

1412
01:04:37,159 --> 01:04:39,880
what I'm looking to do next. But you know, that's

1413
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,199
only if if it's the right opportunity. You know, something

1414
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:45,760
about that time period, like the thirties, even the architecture

1415
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,559
back then in the early nineteen hundreds, they just you

1416
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:50,039
got to Philly, you know, I love Philly.

1417
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:52,519
Speaker 2: Look, Phillies fantastic. You look at City Hall, you know

1418
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:56,119
it's eighteen hundreds, but then you look at the current

1419
01:04:56,119 --> 01:04:59,559
ones and they're just there's nothing on them. No that

1420
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:02,480
architect it's just too expensive to build like that, and

1421
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:05,960
they just wanted this quicker, faster. Philly has some of

1422
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,639
the best architecture. It's spectacular, amazing, it really is. I'm

1423
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:12,239
always blown away when I go there. I love the buildings.

1424
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,320
You know, I could look at City Hall because I

1425
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,599
live down there in South that's a York of art

1426
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:18,400
right there, and I would fly my drone there. It's

1427
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,400
legal to fly your drone. And they got the William

1428
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,480
Penn statue out there, and it's like, these guys put

1429
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:26,320
that statue five hundred feet up in the air twelve tons.

1430
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,360
I think its something crazy with no real machinery like

1431
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,599
we have. Yeah, right, and you look at the design

1432
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:34,559
on buildings, it's incredible.

1433
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you all those all those all the all

1434
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,519
those skilled workers were from Europe predominantly doing all that

1435
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:44,559
fine stone work, and all you those people don't even

1436
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:47,199
exist anymore. I mean there's small groups of them here

1437
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:49,480
and there, and that stuff is so expensive. That was

1438
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:51,760
like common for people to have stuff like that. Think

1439
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,760
about it. Even when you go look at New York City.

1440
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,480
Look at all those buildings, gargoyles carved down the line.

1441
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:03,199
Speaker 2: And then the pictures of them with no harnesses. These

1442
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:05,840
guys they were losing a few every project. You know,

1443
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:10,400
it's real deal. Especially bridge workers. Man, crazy Gary got

1444
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,119
it the worst. And the wind picks up a lot.

1445
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,159
You know, you're done. So this is a good follow

1446
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:17,000
up to that. So, if you had to work with

1447
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,719
a designer living or dead, not in the biking world,

1448
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,280
right to do any sort of custom bike based on

1449
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,000
who you know the past, who you're inspired by, Who

1450
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,719
would you love to team up with on a bike,

1451
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:32,800
like maybe Raff Lauren or something like that. You know,

1452
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,079
that just jumps out at me. He's also a car

1453
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:36,960
guy and he's got some of the sickest cars on

1454
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,119
the planet, so you know, I know he knows what's

1455
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:42,079
good and eats Raff Lauren. You know. So I think

1456
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,320
like clothing designers, I like crossover. I'm not.

1457
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: You know, people look at me and go, he's a

1458
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,360
motorcycle guy. I'm really not. I mean, I love the opportunity,

1459
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,840
I love the platform. It's a great expression. But I'm

1460
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,800
a designer. I see these guys doing this stuff, and

1461
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,599
that's what speaks to me. It's not I don't care

1462
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:03,960
what medium you're operating in. If you're an artist and

1463
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:06,880
a designer and you're doing something that I think is killer,

1464
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,280
that's all that matters.

1465
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what kind of design would you do

1466
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:13,320
with him? Oh? Geez, I would do so.

1467
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: I would build a bike to match his Bugatti he's

1468
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,880
got like a forty million dollar Bugatti.

1469
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 2: It's just spectacular. I would build a bike. Color isn't

1470
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:27,039
maybe like a dark I'm trying to think of the

1471
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:31,199
color right now. The guy's got a lot of he's

1472
01:07:31,239 --> 01:07:33,840
probably a couple of really well, he's got a really

1473
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,239
well known coop that's sick.

1474
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:37,079
Speaker 1: Got have to look at it. You could throw it

1475
01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:40,599
up here maybe if you look online. But when you

1476
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:42,039
see what I'm saying, and then I.

1477
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,519
Speaker 2: Would just do it up like that. It would be

1478
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:47,840
a lot of sheet metal, right, That's cool. Yeah, I

1479
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,000
want to come back here to the podcast a little

1480
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:54,199
bit because obviously people want to see more guests and

1481
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,119
that sort of thing, and I thought, this is an

1482
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:58,119
interesting question. This is from an I don't think they

1483
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:00,239
want to see more guys. They just want Mikey. Just

1484
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:03,920
want Mike. I'm serious. They don't want me, they want Mike.

1485
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,880
They don't. I think they just they want me and Mikey.

1486
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:10,079
I think I think you know that's it seems, wouldn't

1487
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,039
because I mean, I'm telling you, I'm sitting here behind

1488
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:15,400
the scenes watching everything just cracking up and then putting

1489
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,439
it together is a lot of fun too. Yeah, I

1490
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,560
think so it's a good man, it's a good thing.

1491
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:22,640
But living or dead? Who would you want on the podcast?

1492
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,640
Maybe we do both living and dead. Who would you

1493
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,720
want to have on the podcast to interview, to talk to,

1494
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:27,880
pick their mind anything.

1495
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. I thought that was a great question.

1496
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Living, I mean that's a broad question. Same dead.

1497
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,880
It's like, there's so many people I like to have

1498
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,760
on here man and talk to. There's so many people

1499
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:46,600
like personally, yeah, like had an impact on your life

1500
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:51,000
for the role model growing up? Anyone? Oh, my grandfather. Yeah,

1501
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:54,119
I'd like to have my grandfather on here. So your

1502
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,560
my mom's dad, barm my dad's dad too. Any any

1503
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,840
of my grandparents would be great. They're all gone, you know.

1504
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:02,680
Were they around during the start of the show or

1505
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,640
they passed before? Yeah, no, none of them, So they

1506
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,359
never got to know. They never got to see oh

1507
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:09,760
well yeah, yeah no, So you'd like to bring them

1508
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,399
back and just in general, you know, just to hear

1509
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:14,399
your stories proudly.

1510
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mother's parents were. They were around a lot

1511
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:19,359
when I was growing up.

1512
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:20,239
Speaker 2: So cool.

1513
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,199
Speaker 1: They were divorced, but they would come at separate times

1514
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:25,079
and they were holidays and they were like.

1515
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 2: A big part of our lives. My father's parents less so,

1516
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:29,720
but we were.

1517
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: We were my mother's parents only grandkids. So my father

1518
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,520
had sisters and they all had kids, so on that

1519
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,119
side there was a big workload of kids for grandparents.

1520
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,039
Speaker 2: To be a part of, you see what I'm saying.

1521
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: And so maybe we saw my my father's side less,

1522
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:51,520
but certainly my grandpa Leonardo, he was were you know,

1523
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,279
he did everything and I always feel like maybe some

1524
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:58,560
of my skills are really come from him in some

1525
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,840
capacity because he could masonry, he could do any kind

1526
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,479
of carpentry. I mean, he just did. He was pretty

1527
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,680
much could do anything. He put an extension on our

1528
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,560
house once, and I think I talked about this in

1529
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,720
the past, but he did pretty much the whole thing

1530
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,319
by himself, virtually pouring the foundation by hand. Just tough

1531
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:21,760
old Italian guy and worked really hard, and you know,

1532
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:24,920
he had a skill set. Now he wasn't a bike builder,

1533
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,119
but he was a builder just the same. You know,

1534
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,079
my mother's maid name is Leonardo, and that was Paul Leonardo,

1535
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:34,560
her husband, I mean, her father. And then my father's

1536
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,520
side is more German, but my father's half Italian, So

1537
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,840
my father's mother was all Italian, OK, gotcha, and then

1538
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,880
my father's father's all German, so on that side he's

1539
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,119
like half and half.

1540
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 2: Now my mother's side is all Italian. Gotcha.

1541
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,199
Speaker 1: So I'm like seventy five percent Italian, twenty five percent German.

1542
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,399
Speaker 2: Figure out it works, you know. That's why I talk

1543
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,039
with my hands a lot. You're animated. I'm a little animated, no,

1544
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:02,359
you know, but the features, you know, I think a

1545
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:04,640
lot of people would say that I look like my father,

1546
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,680
so more maybe German features, but I think a good mix.

1547
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,479
You've seen some throwback pictures and you look identical to

1548
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,640
or your dad looks like you now, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1549
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,680
I know. Yeah, well you mean now I look like

1550
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,359
him when he was in his fifties or when we

1551
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:23,479
were young, when you were young, like around the same age,

1552
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:27,520
the same Yeah. He has a Merchant Marines picture from

1553
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,960
when he was like, I don't know, nineteen twenty, and

1554
01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:33,319
when I was at that age, we look very similar. Yeah,

1555
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:36,920
that's cool. What are you liking about the podcast, Paul,

1556
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,439
because you could be doing anything, and you know, we've

1557
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,279
been doing these episodes and I can tell that you

1558
01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:46,840
you mentioned this earlier too, but it's just a chance

1559
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:49,920
to really be yourself and open up. I mean, you

1560
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:52,840
clearly enjoy doing these, right, I think so, yeah, I

1561
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,720
enjoy it. It's the you know I do.

1562
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: I enjoy it. I enjoy the conversations where they can go.

1563
01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:01,560
It is creating content for me, which I like to

1564
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,159
create content that becomes a thing in your life, you know,

1565
01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:08,239
not just a bike builder, but someone who creates content

1566
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:11,079
on an overall basis that becomes kind of part of

1567
01:12:11,079 --> 01:12:11,760
your lifestyle.

1568
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:12,039
Speaker 2: You know.

1569
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:18,079
Speaker 1: Making television and making content really became very quickly a

1570
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:21,680
thing for me, right, first season of American Chopper, and

1571
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,760
I'm thinking, okay, well this is this is a new path.

1572
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:28,720
This is exciting, and you learn to make television and

1573
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,079
make content and you think creatively, and you know, the

1574
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:34,560
show was really created by us in its entirety. We

1575
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,399
had a production company and they did their job, especially

1576
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,560
on the back end. But like when it came to

1577
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,800
the best part of the show, it's almost like what

1578
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,439
people like about me and Mikey, it's just that's American Chopper.

1579
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,840
Me and Mikey will always be American Chopper in some capacity.

1580
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 2: So when we talk in our rhetoric, it's like we're

1581
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,640
kind of going back in time a little bit, or

1582
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,880
at least for the audience, we're just talking to each

1583
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,479
other how we talk to each other, you know. Yeah,

1584
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,000
it's cool. Have you ever thought of the possibility, and

1585
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:05,199
I've thrown this at you before, of doing a live

1586
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:10,119
podcast opening up have some studio audience. Yeah, I think so, man.

1587
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,199
Speaker 1: I like live audience participation. Well that takes you know,

1588
01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:15,439
I can't even get vin here. You've got to pile

1589
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,920
people in here for you know. I'm for it. I

1590
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,319
would do stuff like that. I would even do live

1591
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,960
just to do a live podcast. I think straight, like

1592
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:25,399
straight to the audience. You get Mikey in here and

1593
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:26,760
tell everyone before him.

1594
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 2: Oh man, that'd be great. Yeah, heve got to line

1595
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,600
that up. Yeah, yeah, we should do something like that.

1596
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,520
I think it'd be great. I like the live thing though,

1597
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,439
we can this would be perfect. Set it up in

1598
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,680
like a half circle here, mm hmmm, yeah, I think

1599
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,760
be sweet. We talked about the you know, people you

1600
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,840
would want to work with, designers and that sort of thing.

1601
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,680
If there's a brand right now, right like if you

1602
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,880
could build a bike or they come to you, uh

1603
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,359
to build something, who would you want to collaborate with. Mmm,

1604
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,960
that's really good that you think you could just give

1605
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,800
them a killer project. Well, I could give anyone a

1606
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,439
killer project, but one in partic that you're a fan of,

1607
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,600
Like they don't you know, are aren't reaching out you're

1608
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,520
a fan of where you're like, hey, I want to

1609
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,319
do this for you because I think I could crush

1610
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:11,840
it for you. Yeah. Yeah, And I know that's anyone,

1611
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,479
But I don't know, you know, I think.

1612
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:18,359
Speaker 1: Of music obviously, you know, I don't know why music

1613
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,159
is like the bigger, biggest.

1614
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,239
Speaker 2: Mover of soul, you know, like a band.

1615
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like you two or one of these guys

1616
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:27,079
like that. I would love an opportunity to build a

1617
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:30,520
bike that represented their body of work, you know, because

1618
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,319
that's a big opportunity right there.

1619
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:33,039
Speaker 2: And that's like a.

1620
01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: Big I like stuff like that, like say, well, how

1621
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,239
could you ever do that? These guys are legends, they've

1622
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:41,640
been around forever. Well, this is what I do, right

1623
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,000
this is they make music and they move the world,

1624
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:49,079
and I build things that represent, especially in the form

1625
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:52,680
of two wheels, that could represent their body of work.

1626
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:55,319
And you know it could do that through a conversation

1627
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,640
and being a fan, you know, just understanding it. What

1628
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,640
is this going to look like? What's the purpose of it?

1629
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,399
Why are we doing it? You know, what's the direction?

1630
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,359
I listened to the I listened to the client or individual,

1631
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,960
and then I just infuse what they told me as

1632
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,359
if I was them and they were the bike builder.

1633
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,119
Speaker 2: Gotcha. Now you had mentioned earlier about the cars. Is

1634
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:19,359
that something that you would want to do for your

1635
01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:19,960
next project?

1636
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:24,199
Speaker 1: Cars are so they take so much time, dude, And

1637
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:28,159
you're right this it bugs me a little bit. I'm

1638
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:29,880
not I need I need pressure.

1639
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: You need it. Yeah, I'm still I'm fifty and I

1640
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,760
still need to Like I do my you know, I

1641
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,800
cram for the test the midnight the night before.

1642
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:41,159
Speaker 1: So not really, but kind of. I like the pressure.

1643
01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:42,720
I like to get it done. I like to have

1644
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,800
a deadline that's almost impossible. That pushes it over the

1645
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,880
finish line and gets me going.

1646
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: And you feel better under that pressure. Oh way, don't

1647
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,359
give me time, dude. All right, you're gonna have a

1648
01:15:54,399 --> 01:15:56,359
hard time to getting it done. I'm gonna have hard

1649
01:15:56,359 --> 01:15:57,880
time getting it done if I have all the time

1650
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,760
in the world. Well, plus you probably go back and

1651
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,479
like maybe even like want to change things or reconsider,

1652
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:03,720
whereas a deadline, it's.

1653
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: Gonna no, no, no, I never do that. You just go, yeah,

1654
01:16:07,039 --> 01:16:09,359
I just go. Man, that's one thing I will say.

1655
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:10,960
You know, people are like, oh, you know this has

1656
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,079
been like all the all these years process.

1657
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:15,319
Speaker 2: No, very early on. I got it. I knew what

1658
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:17,960
I wanted when I put it there. It was what

1659
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:18,439
I wanted.

1660
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: I never look back and go, I shouldn't have done that.

1661
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,319
Is that how you are with like life decisions?

1662
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 2: Do you are? You pretty quick with certain things? With

1663
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,720
other things, I'm the worst. You just yeah, can't. I

1664
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,399
just can't decide. I guess it depends on the situation.

1665
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,199
It does it really, it really does.

1666
01:16:34,319 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 1: With certain things I'm on it like doom Doom, doom boom,

1667
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,319
But other stuff, Yeah.

1668
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the same way, cause you know, similar similar

1669
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,279
to what you do. And you know, I have to

1670
01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:46,119
be creative. I have to put together a lot of

1671
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:49,760
creative videos the editing process, and I'm the same way.

1672
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,239
If you give me too much time, I'm gonna have

1673
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:54,800
other stuff pile up and it's like I can't give

1674
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,800
it my focus. Whereas someone's like I need this at

1675
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,960
the end of the month. Well, I'm going to dedicate,

1676
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:02,279
like laid out every all the time. I have to

1677
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:04,520
get it to that point, and I work better that way,

1678
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,640
so I get where you're coming from.

1679
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could procrastinate at times on things, for sure.

1680
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,199
I think it's part of my whatever I have, whatever

1681
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:12,520
letters that I have.

1682
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:17,039
Speaker 2: Right I don't know if I have anything else for

1683
01:17:17,079 --> 01:17:19,359
you today, though, I thought this is a great deep

1684
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,720
dive into the past and the show. It's good. It's

1685
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,119
good conversations. I like it.

1686
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: I do like this type of conversation. You know, me

1687
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,600
and Mikey wouldn't have this kind of conversation together. It's

1688
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,159
just the dynamics different. You know, we have our chill

1689
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,479
talk and fun. But this is good because well yeah,

1690
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,920
but you're also you're What I like about this is

1691
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,000
you're coming at it from.

1692
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,159
Speaker 2: A fan stamp exactly, so you're kind.

1693
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: Of standing in the gap for every person who loves

1694
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,640
American Chopper, And I think that's what that's why this works,

1695
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,880
because I'm talking to the audience and the people who

1696
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,439
have been loyal and have followed us for so many

1697
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,720
years in the way of Nate Stewart, you know, so, uh,

1698
01:17:57,039 --> 01:17:58,880
I think that's I think it's perfect and we should

1699
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,119
do more of this because it's comfed and frankly, it's

1700
01:18:01,239 --> 01:18:03,840
very easy on me. You know, when I'm doing a

1701
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,680
podcast and I'm the one who's has to keep things

1702
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,840
moving a little bit, it's more work. This to me

1703
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,560
is just fielding questions and coming up with you know,

1704
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,399
getting it to go from here to you know, out,

1705
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:18,560
And that's pretty much it.

1706
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 2: And I think that's what a podcast is, and I

1707
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:21,079
like it.

1708
01:18:21,119 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: Look, were giving a mixed up look here, right, we

1709
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,479
did me, you and Michael, Me and Michael quite a

1710
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,479
few times. I've had some other guests, and then this

1711
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,960
is a whole new thing, just me and you, you know.

1712
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1713
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: And I even thought we can do stuff where maybe

1714
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,800
I could watch an episode myself. I'll figure out which

1715
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,159
one and I'll talk through it. I'll just commentate a

1716
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:43,720
little bit about what I'm thinking, how I'm feeling, what

1717
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,279
was going on at the time. I think maybe I'd

1718
01:18:46,279 --> 01:18:49,000
be interested in that, and maybe people would be too, you.

1719
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I think definitely, because just you and Mikey

1720
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,720
watching that one from I'm watching you guys watch yourself.

1721
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,720
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And to me that was

1722
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,720
so cool because it's like a step back in time.

1723
01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:01,760
And I think we're going to do more of those

1724
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,199
where you guys rewatch some episodes because the fans would

1725
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,560
love that. The fans love it. I would love that, man.

1726
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:09,800
Uh you know, I got to tell you. Even that

1727
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:14,199
guy Bert who's following me, Now, what's the comedian? Yeah, dude,

1728
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:15,720
I want to. I want to. I want to have

1729
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,560
him on my podcast.

1730
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: I look at that guy. I've seen clips. I don't

1731
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,960
really watch other podcasts. I really don't, but I see

1732
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,479
clips because I'm you know, scrolling, and they pop up,

1733
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:25,840
and uh.

1734
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,359
Speaker 2: Man, I like that guy. I see who he is.

1735
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,399
Speaker 1: I see it, and I think me and him would

1736
01:19:29,399 --> 01:19:31,640
get along really well. You know, he's got he's like

1737
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,760
wearing his emotions honestly, but he's like, he's a real dude,

1738
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:36,600
And I like that about it.

1739
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,159
Speaker 2: Down to earth for sure. I like people who are real.

1740
01:19:39,319 --> 01:19:42,800
He doesn't hold back any punches. And you start following

1741
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:43,560
you you mentioned.

1742
01:19:43,359 --> 01:19:46,399
Speaker 1: That, yeah, which I was flattered by that because you know,

1743
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,439
pretty cool. But you know, that's another thing I've found

1744
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,680
through the gears that a lot of people of great

1745
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,960
notoriety have been huge fans of American Chopper through the

1746
01:19:55,039 --> 01:19:58,960
years and we've had an impact on everyone, every aspect

1747
01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:02,279
of culture, you name it, it's it's it's had an

1748
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:05,479
impact overall, you know. So I can have some fun

1749
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,520
with some great guests I'd like to get. I'd like

1750
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:08,760
to get more guests.

1751
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,520
Speaker 2: Going to you know, THEOV we've talked about. Yeah, THEO

1752
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:12,000
is great.

1753
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:15,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's these guys are monsters now though you can't

1754
01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:16,000
even go near them.

1755
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: You got to, like you know, yeah, they won't even

1756
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,079
let you on the same block. Yeah, it's crazy how

1757
01:20:22,119 --> 01:20:25,640
podcasting has just taken off too, as with Joe Rogan

1758
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,279
and all the comedians, all the comedians, they just they

1759
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:30,920
just started doing podcasts and they doubled up some of

1760
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,800
them and that's the rest is history. Andrew Schultz have

1761
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,159
you heard of him. He's a great young comedian with

1762
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:40,279
a big podcast. Okay, you know. And and there's a

1763
01:20:40,279 --> 01:20:42,520
lot of guys to Paul where where I feel like

1764
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,000
you have a lot of similarities with you, where you'd

1765
01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:47,279
get on a podcast and I feel like it'd be

1766
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,880
just fun and fun. Yeah. I like it too. I

1767
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:50,840
like the idea that.

1768
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:53,399
Speaker 1: Just mixing it up with these guys, you know. So

1769
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,279
we'll see I would go on other podcasts.

1770
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, there you go, but there you go.

1771
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,560
Everyone an invitation, but also please have me on your PC.

1772
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:06,520
Also self invite. But I think Paul has been uh,

1773
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,239
you know, it's fun doing these, It's great, this is

1774
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:12,159
what the audience likes. I'm really glad you've trusted me

1775
01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:13,800
to come on here and do this for you and

1776
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,119
hopefully I'm representing the audience. Well, we'll talk about it afterwards.

1777
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:19,319
We'll see how far this goes. Like I'm grading you

1778
01:21:19,399 --> 01:21:22,279
as we go through. How do how do I do it? Today?

1779
01:21:22,319 --> 01:21:23,840
I thought it was great. Like I said, man, I

1780
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:24,960
feel like you you're you're.

1781
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,199
Speaker 1: Standing in the gap of the fan base and the

1782
01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:30,640
people who are interested in hearing these kind of conversations.

1783
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 2: And I went through and picked some comments because there's

1784
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,960
some good ones. And that's the whole goal is I'm

1785
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,119
trying to get the fans perspective and I am a fan,

1786
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:40,399
so that we're it's some things I've never asked you before.

1787
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:44,520
You are. I like it. It's a funny show, like

1788
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,479
but not only that, it's got the humor, it's got

1789
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,239
everything we talked about. But I do like seeing the

1790
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,119
seriousness of it. Too, like meeting the deadlines and all that. Yeah,

1791
01:21:55,239 --> 01:21:57,920
very well balanced, it is, Yeah, it really is. So

1792
01:21:58,119 --> 01:21:58,880
it's interesting.

1793
01:21:59,119 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the holds up, which is good, good

1794
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,560
for us because you know, it's kind of timeless.

1795
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,520
Speaker 2: It's not dated. No, it's old.

1796
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,159
Speaker 1: It's old, but it's not dated. I don't think it'll

1797
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:11,680
ever be there. It's still fun, it's still great. You

1798
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,960
don't get that kind of humor anymore, No, you don't,

1799
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:16,119
you know, very slapsticky, you know.

1800
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1801
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: Well, good, all right, Well listen, guys, this has been great.

1802
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,920
Me and Nate over here just talking about the show.

1803
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,159
He's coming up with a lot of questions from the audience,

1804
01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:29,159
which I think this is a good kind of back

1805
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:30,239
and forth and.

1806
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:31,520
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed it.

1807
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:35,319
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you watching the podcast, and stay tuned

1808
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:36,000
for the next one.