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Democrats up in Raleigh in the state legislature, they very
much wanted to vote for House Bill eighth five, which
would the short title of this legislation was Prevent Sexual
Exploitation of Women and minors. But they would not vote
for it because it defined what a woman is.
Speaker 1: Well and men too, and mothers and fathers.
Speaker 2: And then there was also stuff about not you know,
getting access to porn in the school libraries, and they
were they didn't like that. They think you should be
able to have your kid exposed to that sort of stuff,
and they didn't like the fact that, you know, people
would be able to look up what school libraries may
be stocking on the shelves. They wanted that restricted only
to parents or guardians of students at every particular school.
So this way nobody outside of the of the PTA
basically would be able to see the kinds of books
that the libraries are offering.
Speaker 1: But other than that, they were like, we are for
this bill. Now.
Speaker 2: The Republicans, for their part, they too engaged in some
political mechanisms here or machinations I should say, they.
Speaker 1: Did well, it's not quite.
Speaker 2: You may have heard this term gut and replace, and
I don't like the term, mainly for marketing and branding purposes.
I prefer gutt and stuff. Just sounds funnier and better.
And it's the same thing where you know, on the
legislative calendar, the House and the Senate, they run their
own bills, they debate them, they pass them, and they
have to meet a deadline, and then all of the
bills from the House have to have crossed over to
the Senate, and all the Senate bills have to have
crossed over to the House. They call that crossover. And
so there's and that's already passed, that was like a
month or so ago. And then the idea is that
nothing after that crossover deadline can move through because otherwise,
you know, you would have a legislative session that never ends,
unlike our current legislative calendar where sometimes the calendar never ends.
So the crossover deadline is meant to restrain legislative sessions,
the length of the sessions.
Speaker 1: And so what for decades the legislature has.
Speaker 2: Done is any bill that has crossed over and the
other chamber now wants to do something else, but they
didn't make the crossover. They will, they will gut an
existing bill and then they will stuff something else into it.
Speaker 1: This is how I believe it was the the.
Speaker 2: Regulation and inspections of abortion clinics in North Carolina. That's
how that bill passed. It was a motorcycle safety bill.
It had come over from maybe from the House over
to the Senate or vice versa, it doesn't matter. It
was a motorcycle safety bill. And then they stuffed a
bunch of rules on inspecting abortion clinics because under Democrat
administrations they really weren't interested in inspecting abortion clinics to
see if they met like bare minimum standards of for example,
veterinarians clinics. They right, they had a higher they had
a higher and inspection regime and standard for for vets
than they did for abortion centers, and so when the
Republicans came along, they were like, yeah, you know what,
we're going to make sure these are actually like hygienic facilities.
Speaker 1: Outrage ensued. The left called them all.
Speaker 2: Sorts, called this legislation all sorts of disgust and grotesque
names because that's what they do, and they're very you know,
focused on anatomy and genitalia for some reason. I don't
know if that I'm not sure if that comes with
like when you sign up to be a Democrat, like
that's like they give you a rule book or something,
and they give you all of these arguments in the
vocabulary to make things, you know, gross. But anyway, so
that that was an example. But you don't necessarily have
to gut the legislation in order to stuff it right.
Speaker 1: You don't. It's not required.
Speaker 2: So that's what the Republicans did with House Built eight
oh five. They didn't gut the Prevention of Sexual Exploitation
of Women and miners. They did not gut that part
of it. They kept it. They just added stuff to it.
So the Democrats were in favor initially of the original
bill preventing the sexual exploitation of women and miners. And
I have the bill and it went from about I
don't know, four pages to eight pages, so it's a
very like there's a lot of additional legislation that they
stuffed in here, but under the bill, this is aimed
at preventing online porn that is using underage models or performers.
They got to get consent, They have to prove that
they're over the age of eighteen. They got age verification obligations.
You have to have explicit written evidence of consent for
each act of sexual activity in which the individual engage
during the creation of the pornographic image. This also gets
at the revenge porn stuff. It gets at my wife
and I we were on a road trip recently and
we were listening to I think his name is Jordan Harbinger,
and he had this whole interview with somebody about like
the porn industry, porn hubs specifically, which is apparently just
like trafficking. It's like a human trafficking hub. And you
have all of these I guess users upload stuff to
the site, and then other users will will download those
videos and then re upload them, and so it creates
this constant content populating of the of the website, and
then porn hub will say stuff like, well, we didn't
have anything to do with that. That's just user created content,
you know. So now this bill is trying to get
some of these practices like online entity operators shall obtain
all of the following from the user or entity seeking
to publish the images. Okay, so that's talking about the platform,
the website you're going to have to get. You are
you shall obtain, So there's no may This is a mandate.
You shall obtain written consent from each individual appearing in
the image, and that consent has to also include the name,
date of birth, and signature of the individual, proof that
they are over the age of eighteen, a statement that
the consent is for also not just the acts, but
also the distribution of the specific images, a statement that
explains coerced consent, and that the individual has the right
the right to withdraw their consent at any time. So
if you are, you know, nineteen years old, you do
one of these videos or something, and then you know,
fast forward ten years and you're like, I want this
stuff taken down, you would have the ability to get
it taken down, and you got to have a valid
form of identification for each individual appearing in the images.
Speaker 1: That's the that's on the platform.
Speaker 2: An online entity operator, that's what they keep calling it,
shall establish a procedure for removing a pornographic image from
the online entity at the request of a person and
designate one or more employees of the operator, so like
a pornhub employee would have to be responsible for handling
requests for removal. An online operator shall display a prominently
visible notice on the website or mobile app of the
online entity that provides instructions on how to request the
removal of those images. So on the homepage, you got
to have a big banner or something up there. That's like,
if you're on this site and you want to remove
content that shows you, here's where you click. And then
the operator shall remove the pornographic image as quickly as possible,
and in any event, not later then seventy two hours
after receiving the request, so you got three days to
take it down. An online entity operator shall remove the
image temporarily if any question arises as to the consent
of a performer. Because this was there was a big
campaign again, this was from that podcast that we heard
where a mom was looking for her daughter and she
was being trafficked, and it was somebody who sent her
a link and said, I found your daughter.
Speaker 1: She's on pornhub.
Speaker 2: And this mom then launched a crusade against Pornhub because
Pornhub would not would not take down the images, and
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over at WRAL in a piece by Paul spect Republicans
in the state Senate passed a bill that would strictly
define gender, actually defines sex. That's what I have the
legislation right here. I have the bill and like a
whole section actually is on the definitions. It doesn't actually
define gender. It defines gender identity. It says a term
that means an individual self declared identity that may not
align with biological sex and being a subjective internal sense,
shall not be treated as legally or biologically equivalent to sex,
and that is accurate. That is accurate. It defines biological sex.
It defines a boy in case any lefties are listening,
that would be a minor human male. It defines a father,
which as a male parent a female. It defines a girl.
It defines male, It defines man, and it defines mother,
and it defines woman. And again, in case any of
our friends on the left do not know what a
woman is, it is an adult human female. And a
female is a term that, when used to refer to
a natural person, means a person belonging at conception to
the sex characterized by a reproductive system with the biological
function of producing ova or eggs. Okay, so now you know,
because I know there are a lot of people who
aren't biologists, like you know Supreme Court Justice Katanji Brown Jackson.
And so now the North Carolina Republican lawmakers have helped
fully provided these definitions for everybody. They're really doing all
of us a service because it seems like so many
Americans have become confused about things that the human species
has known since the very beginning of time. So this
bill started off as a bill to prevent the exploitation
of women and miners, which you may ask yourself, well,
how would democrats know that women are being exploited? Like
if you don't even know what a woman is and
you cannot define what a woman is, and then when
someone defines what it is and you object to that definition,
how could you be in support of a bill that
seeks to eliminate the exploitation of women. It's all very confusing.
This was a bipartisan bill, the XTU, the you know,
the targeting of the exploitation of women and children. It
was initially bipartisan. Everybody supported it, but then it turned into,
as Paul Speck calls it, a political minefield.
Speaker 1: How for whom? For Democrats?
Speaker 2: Yes, for Democrats it turned into a minefield, if you will,
because they have become so insane on these topics. They
they cannot, will not. They refuse to define what a
woman is because they don't want to offend, They don't
want to alienate their base, they don't want to get
called names whatever, Like they cannot and I'm sorry, but like,
I am not going to be governed by the insane.
I refuse, I refuse now if you come to me,
and it's like look, if you come to me and say, hey,
my name is William, but I go by Bill, and
then I will say okay, Bill, because I'm not trying
to be transgressive towards you, and that's not anything to
do with gender identity. I'm trying not to offend. I'm
a nice person. I'll be polite, you know. So if
you go by a certain name, I will call you
that name. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me
because you're not governing me right now. If you tell
me that you have to call me Bill, and I
mess up or something and I call you William, or
maybe I refuse to call anybody Bill because I believe
that the only Bill that could ever be named Bill
was my father, and so I refuse to give anybody
else that honorific And so I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Call you William.
Speaker 2: And then if your response is well, if you don't
call me Bill, I'm going to penalize you somehow. I'm
going to like make you lose your job. I'm going
to give you a citation or something. If you're over
in like Germany and the UK, like you could be
thrown in jail. So that's the difference. It's that you
don't get to govern me, right, that's the bright line.
There so a political minefield for Democrats. I would just
add four democrats because they've become insane on this issue.
The State Senate passed a revised version of House pilatoh five,
which the House passed unanimously as an initiative to crack
down on the exploitation of women and children. Senate Republicans
added several proposals to the bill that critics aka Democrats
and media but I repeat myself, derided as culture war
issues intended to repel democrats. Now, look, I will say
I never thought that we would have to define what
a woman is in legislation, but thanks to the left,
we now have to. Right, y'all are the aggressors in
the culture war. This is the response. This is the reaction.
This is people saying this is too far. Lefties, and
I know a lot of lefties are never told that
you've gone too far, because in the lefty world, you
can never go too far.
Speaker 1: Everything is just forward.
Speaker 2: To quote the Kami slogan, everything is just forward progress
right towards the utopian vision of you know, one hundred
million dead under communism, Like that's the whole focus. So
to the left, there is no too far. And so
when you have this response, they they can't believe, Well, what,
we're the moral and good ones here. We just care
about people, and you obviously don't, so you must be hitler.
You know a number of Democrats attempted to vote present
on the bill rather than yes or no. You're actually
not allowed to do that. Though we're going to get
to this. I've got a bunch of audio. Listen to
the entire like two plus hour debate on the Senate
floor overall of this. So it started out as an
anti exploitation bill, and then some stuff got added into it.
I'll tell you what I got added into it, including
the definition of you know, male female, biological sex, and
gender identity.
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the North Carolina Senate added a bunch of new provisions
into an Anti Women and Minor Exploitation bill, which also
would have like huge daily penalties for you know these
porn websites or if you're you're doing revenge porn, or
you're taking pictures, or you're you're getting you know, kids
to send you pictures of themselves and then you threaten
to post it online and you blackmail them. So big
finds and stuff for these website operators and that sort
of stuff, and that had bipartisan support when it came
out of the House, but when the Senate got ahold
of it, they added some stuff. They added definitions, and
wr l's Paul spect he still can't he's I don't
know if he doesn't know that, you know, gender and
or two different things according to the Left, because he says,
define gender as two sexes. No, it's defining sex as
male and female, because that's accurate. That's all there are.
There are only two. The bill also bars state prisons
from using state taxpayer funds to pay for sex reassignment
surgery for inmates, requires transgender North Carolinians to use their
original birth certificate in official transactions. I actually have the
bill in front of me. I will go over those details.
Allow public school students to request to be excused from
any course material if they believe that material would quote
impose a substantial burden on their religious beliefs. We have
to be able to force this on the kids. I
want you to skip and gallop through that rainbow balloon
arch that we have set up in the hallway while
wearing a rainbow tiara and tutu and I'm not making
this up. This was actual video that was posted. This
is the kind of stuff that's going on in the
in the schools, and there are parents and students who
do not want to participate in this. It would require
school boards to post a list of books available in
their schools, require public schools to block students from borrowing
certain books if instructed to do so by that student's parent,
and so all of this is obviously outrageous. Okay, here
is State Senator Buck Newton who says that this was
hotly debated. These additional provisions was debated in the committee
in a Senate committee, and then he goes on to
explain why the bill is necessary.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, across the country, we all have
to recognize that women are being systemically erased from our language.
You know, whether it's changing words to pregnant, from pregnant
women to person, or mother to a birthing parent. These
are small changes but send a very strong message to women.
We want to send an equally strong message that women
exist and they're supported here in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: And it's pretty simple.
Speaker 3: We cannot ignore the biological realities, and we believe our
state laws should reflect that at the federal level, President
Trump is issued in executive order which restored the United
States recognition of only two sexes, male and female. And
it's time here in North Carolina for us to do
the same. And that's exactly what we do here in
this bill. Section one affirms that biological sex as truth
and ensures that our states regulations and policies are clear
and certain about the biologically grounded definition of sex. Clearly
states the definition of female, male, boy, girl, father, mother, man,
and woman right.
Speaker 2: So the bill would also extend the period under which
people can sue medical providers for issues related to gender
reassignment surgery for up to ten years after a procedure
was performed. So the statute of limitations is now ten years.
And I have this also highlighted in the legislation. I'm
I'm not really sure that this WURL story. I'm not
sure it's framed correctly. Senate Minority Leader Sidney Batch, we're
going to hear from her as well. She accused Senate
Republicans of hijacking the bill with culture war amendments. And
this is one of the things that the left loves
to do, and they get a free pass on it.
Whenever they do it, they accuse the right of engaging
in culture war issues when the right is responding to
the incursions made by the culture warriors, right, these social
justice warriors, these culture warriors from the left, they make incursions,
They attack institutions, they attack vocabulary, like birthing persons and such. Right,
they make these incursions, and when the right says stop
with this, we mounted defense. And now we're going to
say no, you know, a woman is a person who
is born female, like, we're going to define this stuff
because you guys are manipulating and corrupting the language in
order to make these different inroads under your you know,
Graham shean Marxist long march through the institutions. And so
when the right pushes back, then it's, oh, you're engaging
in the culture war issues. No, we are engaging with
you as you attacked in the culture war.
Speaker 1: Y'all did this.
Speaker 2: Y'all did this, and you think that you're justified in
doing it, and you're morally superior for doing it. But
you're not. You are not, She suggested, Sidney Batch did that.
Senate Republicans don't care about solving the issue of exploitation
because they're turning a bill that previously had unanimous support
into a party line fight over unrelated LGBTQ issues.
Speaker 1: Yes they are. You are correct.
Speaker 2: They saw an opportunity to jam you guys up because
you don't know what a woman is. Although you do
know what a woman is because you say it all
the time. You talk about how first woman ever to
do fill in the blank. So we know you know
what a woman is, but we also know that you
can't define it because politically among your base you will
be shunned. You'll be chastised for it. So yes, publicans
see and opening to jam you up on this so
you don't get to use it in your campaign commercials.
You won't get to say I voted for a bill
to crack down on online exploitation of women and minors.
You won't get to say that, and your opponents, who
will likely be Republicans, they will be able to say
you voted against it. See that's how this works, and
it has worked for a very very long time, and
you Democrats have been doing it yourselves. I remember when
you ran the North Carolina Legislature, you did do it.
So you can lament the game, but don't hate the players.
You know, she said, if we don't fix the bill,
that we're sending a message to predators that we don't
care about our children. And that's just a stupid argument,
but she made it because they really don't have much
else of an argument to make. But they did try
some tactics. Yeah, they did try some tactics. We'll get
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Speaker 1: So I mentioned.
Speaker 2: Sidney Batch, Democrat from Wake County. She criticized the the
inclusion the additional language defining men, women, boys, girls.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: She opposed this and criticized the inclusion of these very
elementary definitions in the Senate version of the bill.
Speaker 4: This bill was introduced to protect children originally and women.
Speaker 1: That was its intent and women.
Speaker 4: It was actually introduced to protect our children, especially our sons,
from being targeted, extorted and exploited online.
Speaker 1: What's a sun and that's what.
Speaker 4: We came here to do. But what's before us now
is not a bill that we agreed to or that
the House by unanimous vote voted for. It's been hijacked,
gutted and replaced, has language that's been not just unrelated,
but dangerous. We are watching a crisis.
Speaker 1: Unfold, all right. So it was not gutted.
Speaker 2: And you know, under this gut and stuff procedure as
I laid out earlier, and I got a tweet from Eric.
It's a Pete tweet. He says, gut and stuff is
so uncivilized. Pete, may I suggest purgein pack.
Speaker 1: I like it. Purgein pack. It's a good one too.
Speaker 4: So the.
Speaker 2: Additional provisions that were put into this legislation, they're not unrelated.
It's literally the same thing, Like you're talking about protecting
women and children, and this puts into the law the
definition of a woman and a boy and a girl,
which the legislation refers to, So it's not completely unrelated.
Speaker 4: Sex stortion is exploding in our state, a six increase
in cases in just one year between twenty twenty one
and twenty twenty two. Teenage boys are being manipulated into
sharing explicit images and then blackmailed. Some have taken their
own lives. There are real kids, real families, and real consequences.
The State Bureau of Investigations reported that nearly nineteen thousand
cyber tips about extortion in North Carolina were reported in
twenty twenty two, up from twenty five hundred six years prior.
We received a clean bill from the House in eight
o five to address this, and rather than pass this
clean bill to immediately address the crisis and to save
more lives, the bill was modified without the consent of
the House sponsors. When my Republican colleagues loaded this bill
with culture War amendments, they didn't just distract from the problem.
They made it impossible to solve.
Speaker 1: No, it's not impossible to solve.
Speaker 2: You can make a decision as to what's more important, right, Like,
you can vote for the bill. You can do that
even if it doesn't have everything in it that you like,
and still vote for a bill that has things in
it you don't like. You can do that, but you
don't want to do that, right you want a quote
clean bill. So this way you can tout the fact
that you supported this clean bill. You could say, look
at me, I'm protecting women. I'm protecting young kids against sextortion,
which is a real problem, no doubt about it. And
so you have to weigh the options here. But before
we get to a decision there, they went about a
whole series of legislative maneuvers. She proposed first that the
bill gets sent back to the Rules Committee, and if
the Senate does not do so. She said that would
send a message to the predators that the legislature does
not care about protecting children. That attempt to send it
back to the Rules Committee was ruled to be out
of order under the Senate rules, so you can't do that.
So then they tried something else. They were like, Okay, well,
how about we split the bill into two different parts,
the part we like and the part we don't like.
In this way, we can vote against the part we
don't like and we can vote for the one we
do And that motion to divide the measure failed as well.
Then they tried to postpone the bill until December twenty fourth.
I'm not sure why Christmas Eve was chosen as the day,
but that's what they attempted, and that also failed. Because
Democrats do not have a majority. You are legislating in
a chamber that has a Republican super majority. They don't
need any of your votes. They don't need a single
vote from you. Now they're going to need a Democrat
vote over in the House. Because the House sent you
a version the clean bill, you then added stuff to it,
which means it has to go back to the House
for their concurrence. They have to agree with what you've added,
and maybe the House doesn't, maybe they vote no on it.
Maybe they want a veto proof majority over in the
House too. They don't have the numbers, so they're going
to have to peel away some Democrats and who knows,
maybe they already have a Democrat or two lined up
for that to override a potential.
Speaker 1: Veto, or maybe they don't.
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't have a Democrat or too that are
going to help them pass this.
Speaker 1: They'll still pass it.
Speaker 2: It's a majority Republican body, and then it goes to
the governor and then the governor he'll have a decision
to make does he or does he veto this or not? Yeah. See,
these are politically tricky questions for Democrats. That's what they
don't like that they're being jammed up by the Republican majorities.
And if they don't vote for these things, then that
will be used against them in their election campaigns. And
Democrats do this to Republicans all the time, at the
national level, at the state level, at the local level,
they do it all the time. They'll stick poison pills
inside of bills, so this way Republicans won't vote for it.
By the way, the postponement to Christmas Eve that failed also,
and then they tried to limit the access of school
library books to only parents or guardians of students at
the individual schools that failed to All right, that'll do
it for this episode.
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