Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast.
Speaker 2: My name is Donnie Peters.
Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, June twenty third, twelve forty four am.
Speaker 1: The plan for today's show is I'm not really going
Speaker 1: to touch on what happened at the World Series of
Speaker 1: Poker today. Once again, got onto my computer a little
Speaker 1: bit after midnight. I started looking around the tournaments and
Speaker 1: stuff is still happening. Like the Milli Maker, I think
Speaker 1: it's done for the day in real time, but because
Speaker 1: they're on a delay due to the streaming, it's not
Speaker 1: really being reported on in real time, of course, so
Speaker 1: I don't really know what's happening there. You got the
Speaker 1: fifty KPPC is still playing out, This twenty five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars tournament still playing out, The one KPLO is still
Speaker 1: playing out, so you know, all this stuff is still
Speaker 1: playing out. I'm not going to stay up much later
Speaker 1: then getting this podcast out of the way and then
Speaker 1: trying to get some sleep. So what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: on this episode is I'm going to go through the
Speaker 1: numbers through the first fifty events. Told you guys, I
Speaker 1: had been tracking things. I went through some of the
Speaker 1: stuff this evening and kind of put some thoughts together
Speaker 1: some maybe I'll formulate it in real time as we
Speaker 1: go through them, but I'll touch on the numbers through
Speaker 1: the first fifty events. Remember the w SIP this year
Speaker 1: is one hundred live poker tournaments, so fifty is exactly
Speaker 1: the halfway point. Event Number fifty on the schedule was
Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred dollars buy in Millionaire Maker that I
Speaker 1: made a little bit of a run in made day
Speaker 1: three today ultimately busted. And then I got some mailbag
Speaker 1: stuff that I promised you guys I would get to,
Speaker 1: So we'll get to that on this episode as well.
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Speaker 1: I think Remco did a really good job. You know,
Speaker 1: Jeremy talks about a little bit about his background and
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Speaker 1: feeling the energy at the table. You know, he really
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Speaker 1: podcast on the Poker Gol podcast feet So I guess
Speaker 1: first things first, before I dive into these numbers, just
Speaker 1: let me quickly tie a bow on my million maker
Speaker 1: run more than eleven thousand entries in the field. I
Speaker 1: made Day three that took place on Monday. I came
Speaker 1: in with a little bit over thirty bigs, kind of
Speaker 1: a not so hot start to the day, got down
Speaker 1: to a little bit over three hundred k, and ended
Speaker 1: up doubling up with pocket fives versus ace Queen. My
Speaker 1: opponent hit an ace on the flop. I rivet a five, baby,
Speaker 1: because that's how we do a little bit of chaos
Speaker 1: in the hand with me going all in over a
Speaker 1: raised guy making the call, dealer dropping the deck, pushing
Speaker 1: him the pod. Was a little bit of a frantic
Speaker 1: moment for a second there, but we got it all
Speaker 1: squared away, and yeah, so I doubled up there, ended
Speaker 1: up building up to around nine hundred K.
Speaker 2: Lost a couple pots back.
Speaker 1: I think I played okay in some spots, you know, definitely,
Speaker 1: as you always do. You know, you have some some
Speaker 1: questions after things, so I'm gonna have to look at
Speaker 1: some stuff. My My last hand was just a pretty
Speaker 1: standard aid as king preflap. Razor had two nines. We
Speaker 1: get the money in pre his nines held and that
Speaker 1: was that two hundred and seventieth place out of you know,
Speaker 1: almost twelve thousand entries in this thing, eleven seven hundred
Speaker 1: and something. So turned to my uh, well, I guess
Speaker 1: three K because I was in in twice to this thing.
Speaker 1: So turned three K into eighty one hundred dollars. Pretty
Speaker 1: good run, you know, just hopefully you can just keep
Speaker 1: stringing together playing well. I thought I played, at least
Speaker 1: for what I think my pokerability is. Thought I played
Speaker 1: the lights out on day two A couple of things.
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy with very slight things, but overall thought
Speaker 1: I played really really well, probably some of the best
Speaker 1: poker I've ever played in my life today felt really
Speaker 1: good as well. Didn't get to play like super long,
Speaker 1: lasted I think two and a half hours or something
Speaker 1: like that, maybe three hours before I busted, So you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just lost a couple of pots here,
Speaker 1: ended up losing that big hand with the Ace King
Speaker 1: to bust, and that was just that.
Speaker 2: So it's not really that big of a deal, all.
Speaker 1: Right, let's get into these WSOP numbers. So again, I
Speaker 1: just looked through the first fifty events. I know we're
Speaker 1: a bit past fifty because the Millionaire Maker is a
Speaker 1: multi day event and that whole thing, But we're going
Speaker 1: through the numbers one through fifty.
Speaker 2: Am I going to go through every single one. I'm
Speaker 2: just going to hit.
Speaker 1: On some top line things here. The first thing that
Speaker 1: I noticed is the headliner events, and I put headliners
Speaker 1: in quotes on my little rundown of notes here. Those
Speaker 1: events remained big, and by headliner events, I mean the
Speaker 1: Monster Stack, the Colossus, the Millionaire Maker. I would throw
Speaker 1: the Mini Mystery Millions into this one as well. You know,
Speaker 1: those are the headlining events. I guess you could also
Speaker 1: include this seventeen hundred dollars US Circuit Championship in there,
Speaker 1: But the problem is with that one is you can't
Speaker 1: really compare it to past years because this is a
Speaker 1: brand new event on the schedule for this year. Same
Speaker 1: with the ten k Gigi Millions high Roller. Basically, headliner
Speaker 1: events is like anything that puts something special in the
Speaker 1: name that then transfers over into the structure that hopes
Speaker 1: to draw people in. You know, all those events, though
Speaker 1: they did pretty well. You had more than twenty thousand
Speaker 1: entries in the Mini Mystery, Millions, you had almost twelve
Speaker 1: k in the Monster Stack, and in the Million Millionaire
Speaker 1: Maker you had the Colossus had over sixteen thousand entries.
Speaker 2: You know, Monster Stack was up, you.
Speaker 1: Know, about two thousand entries or so from twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: But you know, there was some finagle into the structure here,
Speaker 1: which is going to kind of be a theme through
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. Millionaire Maker, you know, slightly slightly
Speaker 1: down about about two hundred and thirty entries are so
Speaker 1: down from last year, so they're they're kind of just
Speaker 1: on part I mean, overall, those numbers they all draw.
Speaker 1: Are those events, I should say, so they all draw
Speaker 1: really well. I guess it's a question is are they
Speaker 1: holding up because of the changes to the structures? You know,
Speaker 1: the Monster Sacked, the Colossus, the Millionaire Maker, those all
Speaker 1: those events all had multiple starting flights, so multiple day ones,
Speaker 1: and then each starting flight had its own Day two,
Speaker 1: so it allowed you to make a Day two play
Speaker 1: a bit longer into the structure, bust, you know, get
Speaker 1: back into another Day one if it was available, and
Speaker 1: go from there. So did those maybe pump the numbers
Speaker 1: up a little bit?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I guess you would want to look at the data
Speaker 1: that we don't have, which is you'd want to look
Speaker 1: at unique entries and see how those compare year over
Speaker 1: year and if the unique entries are in fact growing
Speaker 1: up or growing up or staying the same or whatever.
Speaker 1: Next thing that I noticed, you know, looking at the
Speaker 1: numbers here mixed games, they seem to be having a moment.
Speaker 1: Here they seem to be performing pretty well. You know,
Speaker 1: this is one of the one of the trends that
Speaker 1: kind of pops out the most. You've got some pretty
Speaker 1: healthy gains across the board, I know we touched on
Speaker 1: a couple of these in the various episodes and we
Speaker 1: talked about the events. But you know, you have the
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars no limitduce to seven single draw was
Speaker 1: up eighteen percent, dealer's choice fifteen ars, dealer's choice was
Speaker 1: up ten percent. The Big O had a huge jump
Speaker 1: up forty three percent. I don't know if that one
Speaker 1: might have had two starting flights or not, but either way,
Speaker 1: still big jump there in entries. Even you know, even
Speaker 1: if it has two starting flights versus one, it still
Speaker 1: shows that there's demand to be able to uphold having
Speaker 1: two starting flights in an event like that ten k
Speaker 1: Big O. Nice jump there, thirteen percent. Raz got a
Speaker 1: nice boozt ten k Raz even that one jumped up
Speaker 1: sixteen percent. So you know, there's a lot of jumps
Speaker 1: in a lot of these these mix game tournaments, and
Speaker 1: that's that's good to see, you know. I think I
Speaker 1: think that for some time there was this kind of
Speaker 1: underlying current with things that mixed games might be dying
Speaker 1: and no one cares, and people just want to play
Speaker 1: nolam at hold them, and then secondary to that, they
Speaker 1: want to play PLO. But I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: pretty clear looking at the numbers this year that mixed
Speaker 1: games are healthy. You know, they seem pretty good. The
Speaker 1: participation is on par with past years and if not
Speaker 1: up you know, so that's that's great to see. And
Speaker 1: if you do want to loop in or lump in
Speaker 1: the PLO stuff into the mix game, so basically anything
Speaker 1: non no limit hold them, then I think it bodes
Speaker 1: really well for that sector of variants that are available
Speaker 1: out in the World Series of Open. You can also
Speaker 1: see from the numbers that pot limit Omaha does very,
Speaker 1: very very well. This is impossible to mix now some
Speaker 1: of the stuff, I think, if I remember correctly, might
Speaker 1: have an additional starting flight or two in there. But
Speaker 1: either way, you know, these events potlomon Omaha is definitely thriving.
Speaker 1: People love to play it, even even just some of
Speaker 1: the anecdotal stuff of like walking around the World Series
Speaker 1: of Poker and talking to people and talking to people
Speaker 1: who you know, I know play poker and they want
Speaker 1: to play poker and whatever, and they want to get
Speaker 1: into or they already are into pot limon Omaha much more.
Speaker 1: You know, it's definitely booming, you know, I know, Joey
Speaker 1: Ingram shout out to Poppy out there, you know, made
Speaker 1: a big thing for many years like this is the
Speaker 1: great game of potlm and Omaha. And he might have
Speaker 1: been a little bit ahead of his time, you know,
Speaker 1: not that potlomon Omaha wasn't growing at the time when
Speaker 1: Joey was championing that message. But now it really does
Speaker 1: seem like PLO is absolutely crushing, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where I'm I'm starting to just
Speaker 1: wonder if the WASIP really needs to take a hard
Speaker 1: look at Pot limit Omaha, specifically in terms of increasing
Speaker 1: the amount of events they have on their schedule, you know,
Speaker 1: for next year and beyond and and maybe even you
Speaker 1: do some some gimmick style things on the side where
Speaker 1: you do like a Pot limit Omaha Player of the
Speaker 1: Year or or something, you know, where it's just the
Speaker 1: pot limit Omaha events. I don't know, I'm I don't
Speaker 1: know if any of those things are right or wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm just throwing out ideas because
Speaker 1: I see the numbers and I see how many people
Speaker 1: really want to be playing pot limit Omaha. Like can
Speaker 1: you do a I don't know, can you do a
Speaker 1: pot limit Omaha Mystery Millions tournament. You know, yes they
Speaker 1: have a potlamit Omaha Mystery Bounty, but can you I
Speaker 1: think they have one of those, but you know, if
Speaker 1: they don't, forgive me, but could you do like a
Speaker 1: one with a million dollar prize pool guarantee? Like, can
Speaker 1: you just start doing crazy stuff with pot limit Omaha?
Speaker 1: You know, once upon a time it was like, can
Speaker 1: we start doing crazy stuff with the nola at hold them?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I remember when they did the first one K nolanan
Speaker 1: hold event Like that shit was bananas at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you started thinking of all all
Speaker 1: these kind of crazy things that you could do with
Speaker 1: these big field Nolam and Holdham tournaments. Could you start
Speaker 1: doing some of that sort of stuff with Potlam and Omaha.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like with the health that it's
Speaker 1: showing from this variance, then yeah, maybe we could start
Speaker 1: exploring that. I mean, I wouldn't go slapping out five
Speaker 1: to ten events like that on the schedule, but maybe
Speaker 1: you just put one out there and you make it
Speaker 1: a huge, big ordeal and make it a huge thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I really feel like if you were
Speaker 1: going to be all in on potlam and Omaha as
Speaker 1: the World Series of Poker. This might be the time,
Speaker 1: Like this definitely might be the time. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, Tim Duckworth and I have been kind of
Speaker 1: talking about this, you know, for maybe a year year
Speaker 1: and a half or so, spawning the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: we were doing the PGT PLO series that always did
Speaker 1: really well. I know some polo events that have done
Speaker 1: well elsewhere. We did the Texas PLO roundup that always
Speaker 1: did really well down at Champions Club in Texas.
Speaker 2: You know, you just you.
Speaker 1: Could see, you could see it, you could here, you
Speaker 1: could feel it, like so Potlomon Omaha is here, and
Speaker 1: you know, there's probably more of it to be had
Speaker 1: if the WSP wants to get out there and get
Speaker 1: after it. On the other side of things, things that
Speaker 1: might not be looking so hot, it's these mid stakes
Speaker 1: Nolanman hold them events, you know, that's where it seems
Speaker 1: like we're getting the biggest hits. You know, we got
Speaker 1: the two K no limit was down I think forty percent,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe slightly more. The three K Nolan hold Them
Speaker 1: was down right around the same a little bit more
Speaker 1: than forty percent, The five K eight handed was down
Speaker 1: eighteen percent. You had a five hundred dollars freeze out
Speaker 1: event that was down six hundred. Our Deep Stack that
Speaker 1: was down for this section though, like the two K
Speaker 1: to three K and the five K, those events being
Speaker 1: down as large as they are, you know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: just that, and then coupled with, you know, some of
Speaker 1: those smaller buying events which are less gimmicky than those
Speaker 1: headlining events that I talked about at the start. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just that. Listen, here's a people are picking. They're
Speaker 1: picking the big headlining events, the giant field marquee events. Again,
Speaker 1: that's Monsters Stack, that's Millionaire Maker, that's Colossus.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We have about to start is the Mystery Millions. We
Speaker 1: had the Mini Mystery Millions back at the beginning. I know,
Speaker 1: a new event for this year, but still one of
Speaker 1: those headlining events. And we're still going to have the
Speaker 1: Gladiators of Poker coming up, you know, we have the
Speaker 1: mini main events coming up. You know, So maybe it's
Speaker 1: all those events that if somebody's going to pick something
Speaker 1: to play, that's where these people are going to gravitate towards.
Speaker 1: I mean, heck, that's what I gravitate towards right, like
Speaker 1: that that's what I like to play.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't like to play the Mystery Bounty tournaments. I'm
Speaker 1: just not a fan of that format personally, so I
Speaker 1: tend to skip those in the live realm. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'll definitely make a point to play the Monsters Stack
Speaker 1: the Million Maker. You know, I didn't play the Colosses
Speaker 1: this year just because I couldn't fit it into the schedule.
Speaker 1: But you know, I love the Colossus tournaments, you know,
Speaker 1: so stuff like that, and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are just they're they're just drawn to those events.
Speaker 1: So the recreational players that come out, even the serious
Speaker 1: recreational players, you know, they love the Giant Field Marquee events,
Speaker 1: and then that stuff in the middle, and it's and
Speaker 1: that stuff in the middle also a two K, a
Speaker 1: three K, a five K, like that's also the stuff
Speaker 1: that's it probably feels a bit.
Speaker 2: Harder, right Like.
Speaker 1: If you're somebody who's not a serious pro, I would
Speaker 1: put myself into that category, Like I'm more of a
Speaker 1: serious recreational I have a real job.
Speaker 2: I play for fun.
Speaker 1: Yes, I take it extremely seriously, but you know, I
Speaker 1: still do it on the side. I'm not a professional
Speaker 1: poker player. I'm gonna go after the events where I
Speaker 1: think I have a better shot, and those tends to
Speaker 1: be the one where I find more value in the field.
Speaker 1: And that's going to be a million maker, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a colossus, that's gonna be a monster stack.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might find some time to play a two
Speaker 1: K or a three K if if I can swing
Speaker 1: it and if I can feel comfortable and that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, But I'm not going to go out of
Speaker 1: my way to play those events. You know, those are
Speaker 1: kind of more of the the hardened pros are going
Speaker 1: to be making up the large percentages of those fields.
Speaker 1: You know, I look around a three K, I look
Speaker 1: around a twenty five hundred dollars. I look around a
Speaker 1: two K or a five K, and the tables do
Speaker 1: seem pretty tough, you know, Versus you look around these
Speaker 1: these millionaire makers and these monsters actually.
Speaker 2: Like what's going on.
Speaker 1: This is the greatest tournament in the world, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think that's where people are just generally gravitating towards.
Speaker 1: You could also have you know, some effect here of
Speaker 1: you know, like what I was talking about when I
Speaker 1: was talking about Potlam and Omaha, where a lot of
Speaker 1: players these days are saying, you know, hm, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be getting into Potlam and Omaha more, or maybe
Speaker 1: they've already gotten.
Speaker 2: Into Potlam and Omaha more.
Speaker 1: Just with everything that's going on, maybe they're opting to
Speaker 1: play a PLO event versus you know, playing a five
Speaker 1: K or a three K, you know, depending on how
Speaker 1: that schedule breaks up. And then as it pertains to
Speaker 1: the schedule, there's just a lot of crap going on
Speaker 1: at the World Series. There's a lot of stuff that's
Speaker 1: number one, number two, Like there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: going around in Vegas. So maybe there's just some congestion everywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is congestion everywhere for sure. I think
Speaker 1: that's undeniable. So you know, it's just it's harder to
Speaker 1: get all these numbers, you know, just booming, booming, booming again.
Speaker 1: I think the numbers are holding kind of overall. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's kind of where we're at. If
Speaker 1: we are seeing a squeeze, it's definitely with these these
Speaker 1: mid stakes. Nolan had hold them events specifically as for
Speaker 1: the high roller stuff, So we're talking twenty five K,
Speaker 1: fifty K hunter K. I mean even the two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty K Super high Roller happened already did see
Speaker 1: some declines here. Twenty five K high Roller went down
Speaker 1: about fifty players or fifty entries, twenty five K six
Speaker 1: MacX down around ninety entries. The fifty K took a
Speaker 1: pretty big hit down around ninety entries. Two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty K Super high Roller was down. Now the hunter
Speaker 1: K high.
Speaker 2: Roller, that one was up.
Speaker 1: I guess you should also loop in the twenty five
Speaker 1: K Heads Up Championship because it is similarly priced. You
Speaker 1: know that field size did double, and I know that
Speaker 1: part of that is structural because they did expand the
Speaker 1: bracket from capping at sixty four to capping it at
Speaker 1: one to twenty eight, and they did allow if you
Speaker 1: played one A and you didn't make it through, you
Speaker 1: could play one B. But still that that does demonstrate
Speaker 1: that there is demand for a twenty five K heads
Speaker 1: of poker turn That demand is there, and they got
Speaker 1: there ultimately with having one hundred and twenty eight entries
Speaker 1: in a twenty five K heads up tournament. So I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's a feather in their cap to be.
Speaker 2: Able to achieve that, So, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know when it comes to these these high roller events.
Speaker 1: My thought here is that this is probably where you're
Speaker 1: seeing the effects of two things happening. One, I think
Speaker 1: this is probably where you're getting the biggest effect from
Speaker 1: the new tax law, the ninety percent rule with the
Speaker 1: tax law probably here. Two something like bitcoin being down.
Speaker 1: I think these are the players that would be affected
Speaker 1: the most, Like, like, those are the two things that
Speaker 1: I think pertain here. You know, I just feel like
Speaker 1: that community is more into the tax stuff, They're more
Speaker 1: invested in bitcoin. So that's kind of where I am
Speaker 1: with the high roller stuff. I think the high roller
Speaker 1: schedule at the WSP is still very good, and they
Speaker 1: offer kind of the right amount of stuff. So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe these numbers showing the decline that they did, maybe
Speaker 1: it just means that, you know, next year, you're.
Speaker 2: Not looking to increase them. You're just going to stay
Speaker 2: packed with everything.
Speaker 1: Right, So just some overall stuff here. Once again, I
Speaker 1: don't think poker is necessarily shrinking, you know, I think
Speaker 1: you got those big headlining events. Monster Stack gets nearly
Speaker 1: twelve thousand, the Millionaire Maker almost twelve thousand, Colossus got
Speaker 1: up over sixteen thousand. I believe it is now the
Speaker 1: fifteenth largest live poker tournament in history. The Mini Mystery
Speaker 1: Millions drew very well, of course, more than twenty thousand
Speaker 1: entries there so, and if you know, I talked about
Speaker 1: how I possibly want to compare them not only to
Speaker 1: last year, but to a previous year, and that year
Speaker 1: was twenty nineteen. And shout out to my friend Jeff
Speaker 1: Walsh for putting this on my radar, because twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: that was the last pre COVID year. So I guess
Speaker 1: if you were to like map a momentum of or
Speaker 1: map the trend of poker field size is like it's
Speaker 1: going kind of one direction from you know, two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, seven eight, and then it's building and then
Speaker 1: it drops off because of you know, black frighting and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, and it starts kind of
Speaker 1: building back and then all of a sudden we get
Speaker 1: smashed with this pandemic and just like kind of everything
Speaker 1: falls off the cliff. Twenty twenty WSP doesn't really happen.
Speaker 1: They do the main event, but it's like the online
Speaker 1: to live hybrid, like it's just not the same and
Speaker 1: then twenty twenty one comes around, you got to do
Speaker 1: the whole vaccine card masks, like the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: then you know, we're kind of like building back building,
Speaker 1: back building back so it like really threw everything off.
Speaker 1: So like, where are we now compared to where we
Speaker 1: were before that crazy pandemic happened? Right, and the numbers
Speaker 1: look really good. I mean I have my spreadsheet color
Speaker 1: coded in terms of like if this event happened in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and if it happened in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: is the trend? You know, if it's up, it's green,
Speaker 1: if it's down, it's red. And I see a whole
Speaker 1: heck of a lot of green. In fact, I only
Speaker 1: see one, two, three, four red. Now there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of yellow, meaning that event didn't happen in the two years,
Speaker 1: so you can't really compare it, but it's overwhelmingly it's
Speaker 1: like twenty might be thirty, maybe thirty are green or so,
Speaker 1: so it's like compared to twenty nineteen, like things are
Speaker 1: up now. Of course, that comes with the fact that
Speaker 1: a lot of that has to do with structures have changed.
Speaker 1: They might have added starting flights, they might have added
Speaker 1: re entry rules and stuff like that. But I still
Speaker 1: think that at least as it pertains to these headline
Speaker 1: any name brand events again, Monster Stack, Colossus, Million Maker,
Speaker 1: you know those events, they still do draw the poker
Speaker 1: population incredibly well.
Speaker 2: That they do.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's pretty safe to say,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the players in those events they
Speaker 1: like reasonable buy ins. So on the low end, you
Speaker 1: have the Colossus five hundred dollars. On the higher end
Speaker 1: of that sort of event, you've got fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: for the Millionmaker and the Monster Stack. So those are
Speaker 1: pretty reasonable price points, right. They offer huge prize pools,
Speaker 1: Like people know that when you're playing one of those events,
Speaker 1: you're going to get a huge prize pool. It's there
Speaker 1: isn't a guarantee on the event, but it's basically guarantee.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You're getting big fields, you can you can win life
Speaker 1: changing money, and it's not only just first prize. It's
Speaker 1: like you make the final two tables or though for
Speaker 1: a lot of people winning thirty k is going to
Speaker 1: do a lot of really good things in their life,
Speaker 1: and you can do that in these tournaments when these
Speaker 1: fields are so so so big. I think the players
Speaker 1: that that gravitates towards those events. You know, I feel
Speaker 1: like they want to feel like they have a shot.
Speaker 1: And if you're the more recreationally player you are, the
Speaker 1: more you're going to gravitate towards an event where you
Speaker 1: feel like you have a shot. So if it's a
Speaker 1: choice between let's say, putting two bullets in the Monster
Speaker 1: Stack for fifteen hundred dollars each, are going to play
Speaker 1: the two thousand dollars Nolan hold them or the three
Speaker 1: k Nolan hold them? I think you feel, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: coupled with all those other things that I mentioned, you
Speaker 1: have better shot to win more money at a more
Speaker 1: palatable price point in something like the Monster Stack or
Speaker 1: the Millionmaker. So that's why you know those draw very well.
Speaker 1: I also think that PLO it's no longer a side show.
Speaker 1: It is right there. It is booming, it is growing.
Speaker 1: So you know, I talked about how there should possibly
Speaker 1: be more PLO or you know, maybe starting to dip
Speaker 1: into the gimmick side of PLO a little bit more
Speaker 1: so that that can definitely happen mixed games. Yes, they
Speaker 1: are still a distant third to nolanm at hold them
Speaker 1: in poo, Yes, but those seem incredibly healthy, incredibly healthy,
Speaker 1: so traditional midstakes Nolan at hold them events those took
Speaker 1: a hit. So that's the two K, the three K,
Speaker 1: and the five K. Those are some rather significant declines.
Speaker 1: And I think that's it's not like where I should
Speaker 1: think you need to remove those events from the schedule,
Speaker 1: because you know, the two K got nine hund and
Speaker 1: sixty eight, the three K got thirteen hundred, the five
Speaker 1: K got five seventy, like those are still fine numbers, right,
Speaker 1: but it's probably you probably don't want to add multiple
Speaker 1: of those events, right. You're probably just fine with the
Speaker 1: ones that you have, and that's what you're gonna keep
Speaker 1: doing every single year. So I think also we might
Speaker 1: be seeing the player pool being split a little bit more,
Speaker 1: and that comes, you know, both in the variants that
Speaker 1: they're opting to focus on. I talked about how some
Speaker 1: of those players might be choosing to you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they skip and Nolan and Hold them event to play
Speaker 1: a PLO event. Maybe there's people a heck that are
Speaker 1: skipping Nolan hold events to play mixed game events, right,
Speaker 1: that could be happening. There's also a lot of venues
Speaker 1: right here in Las Vegas that are doing big things.
Speaker 1: You got stuff at Aria in partnership with bet MGM,
Speaker 1: you got the Win running big stuff. You got Venetian
Speaker 1: running big stuff. Of course, everything that's happening at the
Speaker 1: World Series of Pover is you know, going all summer
Speaker 1: every single day. You know, there's just there's stuff freaking everywhere.
Speaker 1: You got the even the kind of on the smaller side,
Speaker 1: you got stuff at the Orleans. I think you have
Speaker 1: stuff at the Golden Nuggets. So it's just there's just
Speaker 1: there's stuff everywhere. There is so much stuff to play.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you never know on schedule timing,
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go through this,
Speaker 1: you know, with with with such a fine comb that
Speaker 1: that I'm just I'm picking every little thing apart, like,
Speaker 1: oh well, this one was shifted by seven days here,
Speaker 1: and this one's off by you know, a whole month
Speaker 1: in the schedule, and then everything that goes around and
Speaker 1: I'm not doing all of that. So everything that I
Speaker 1: say isn't exactly apples to apples. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: paint a bigger picture. I know there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation about oh, the numbers are down. The numbers
Speaker 1: are down. The numbers are down. I mean, yes, but.
Speaker 2: I'm hitting you guys with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, but I don't know, I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like they're not as bad as we might be
Speaker 1: making out to seem. Like, yeah, the mid stakes Nolman
Speaker 1: hold them stuff. Those are taking big hits. The high rollers,
Speaker 1: those are down, but the mixed games are up. The
Speaker 1: PLO is pretty much crushing. I mean, if you just
Speaker 1: want to look at the first fifty events this year
Speaker 1: by number versus the first fifty events from last year,
Speaker 1: this year's got one hundred and sixteen thousand plus entries.
Speaker 1: Last year had one hundred and four eight hundred, So
Speaker 1: you're up in total entries, right of course, you know
Speaker 1: that can be what I'm saying with It's not exactly
Speaker 1: Apple's taples. It depends where certain things following the schedule
Speaker 1: and whatever. But you know, overall, I think poker's okay.
Speaker 1: Like I think it's okay. I think you just we're
Speaker 1: at the time in the industry when when people just
Speaker 1: don't need to be, you know, tripping over the front
Speaker 1: of their skis with giant guarantees and tons of events
Speaker 1: and all this crazy stuff because it just the demand
Speaker 1: might not be there yet, so don't go too crazy
Speaker 1: with the supply. That's just where I'm getting at with this.
Speaker 1: I do also need to say that I do not
Speaker 1: know fully how untouched these numbers are. And what I
Speaker 1: mean by untouched is like we know the day one
Speaker 1: plus the day two situation, some of the re entry stuff.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's kind of pumping up these numbers a little
Speaker 1: bit in some of these events, you know, Yes, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have this good feeling, I think that things are okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't. I don't know fully if
Speaker 1: all the positive things that I am seeing are more
Speaker 1: of a result of structural manipulation than anything else. And
Speaker 1: it's not to say that some of these structural changes
Speaker 1: can't be absorbed by the community, because I think they
Speaker 1: certainly can't. It's more about there's definitely a sense out there,
Speaker 1: and you can see it on social media a lot,
Speaker 1: that there's a large portion and a growing portion of
Speaker 1: the community that is feeling a bit squeezed by the
Speaker 1: late registration and how lengthy that is the individual Day
Speaker 1: two is and how it kind of can seem like
Speaker 1: a trap at times that you just get sucked into
Speaker 1: these tournaments. So it's a lot, and I just I
Speaker 1: don't want us to get too far ahead, that we're
Speaker 1: so far ahead and then all of a sudden something
Speaker 1: falls off a cliff. Because I think poker is generally,
Speaker 1: overall in a pretty healthy place. I think these numbers
Speaker 1: do bear out that things are healthy. But let's just
Speaker 1: not go too buck wild with things. You know, everything's
Speaker 1: got its own it's you know, three day ones and
Speaker 1: their own day two's, and late registration for so much
Speaker 1: time and like all this sort of stuff. Let's not
Speaker 1: just go too crazy with it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so overall I think it's okay. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad. I don't think it's overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: awesome like everything's up, like money's falling from the sky.
Speaker 1: It's great whatever, you know. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: the big field no limits stuff, the stuff that attracts
Speaker 1: the recreational players, that's pretty good. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: value still to be had there. Those numbers look like
Speaker 1: they're holding strong. Mixed games are doing well, Potlam and
Speaker 1: Omaha is doing well. Yeah, we see some pullback on
Speaker 1: the high rollers. Yeah, we see some pullback on the
Speaker 1: mid steak stuff, and maybe some of that mid steak
Speaker 1: stuff we kind of maybe see throughout the rest of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: Like the most notable.
Speaker 1: Stuff would be World Poker Tour stuff, just because they
Speaker 1: operate in that price plint of like the thirty five
Speaker 1: hundred to five K range most often, So we'll have
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on that and see how they go.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's okay. You know, so
Speaker 1: the sky is not falling, none freak out out there.
Speaker 1: I think the numbers are holding pretty strong. And the
Speaker 1: one thing that I would say is that if there
Speaker 1: was a time, I think I've said this before, but
Speaker 1: if there was a time to get into potlam and omah,
Speaker 1: it feels like that time.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into some of these mailbag questions, comments,
Speaker 1: emails that were sent in that I owe you guys
Speaker 1: got a handful of them here, so let's just get
Speaker 1: right into it. Doug wrote in said in massive field tournaments,
Speaker 1: our payoffs too heavily weighted to the top. If you're
Speaker 1: in a field of ten thousand players and finished one
Speaker 1: hundredth meaning you outlasted ninety nine percent of them, it
Speaker 1: seems like you should make some pretty freaking big money,
Speaker 1: but the five the top five to ten spots hog
Speaker 1: such a huge chunk and there's not much left for
Speaker 1: players to be ridiculously but fall short of the found
Speaker 1: say well, I mean, I get it, but you know,
Speaker 1: the money should be up top, Doug and into everyone
Speaker 1: out there. I will say that I'm not totally on
Speaker 1: this trend of paying fifteen percent that I do a lot.
Speaker 1: I know they do a lot of at the WSIP.
Speaker 1: I think it should be more closer to twelve and
Speaker 1: a half percent. I'm just kind of over the fifteen
Speaker 1: percent thing. I think you should be paying twelve and
Speaker 1: a half or twelve percent of the field and let's
Speaker 1: just go from there, which you know, speaking to Doug here,
Speaker 1: that would then allow you to have some more money
Speaker 1: to put towards some of the other places.
Speaker 2: I do like.
Speaker 1: Having, you know, having the money up top in poker tournaments.
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the fun is playing for
Speaker 1: all the freaking damn money up top and chasing that goal.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that they're they're too bad overall,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think it's I think it's fine,
Speaker 1: you know, because when you when you think of it,
Speaker 1: like in terms of buyings, I think it's still pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean I just finished two hundred and seventy out
Speaker 1: of almost twelve thousand entries in this million Maker. You know,
Speaker 1: the buying was fifteen hundred. I got eighty eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: I think that's plenty fine. You know, I played for
Speaker 1: two and a half days of poker, a little bit
Speaker 1: less than two and a half days of poker, and
Speaker 1: I had a nice return on my money. And you
Speaker 1: know it was almost what six buyons that that I
Speaker 1: won back, and I thought it was you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's a really good you know, I would have
Speaker 1: loved to be playing for more a bit deeper in
Speaker 1: the tournament, but yeah, I think overall it's it's not
Speaker 1: the worst. And part of the you know, they always
Speaker 1: say in tournaments, the money's up top. You know, the
Speaker 1: money is in the first the top three spots or
Speaker 1: the top five spots or whatever, and that's why you
Speaker 1: need to play accordingly to give yourself the best chance
Speaker 1: to not just hit these min cashes like you have
Speaker 1: to be putting yourself in a position to you know,
Speaker 1: be able to go on and make a final table
Speaker 1: and make a top five or top three, or heck,
Speaker 1: even win the damn thing, you know, because that's what's
Speaker 1: gonna pay the bills. And yes, some of that may
Speaker 1: mean you are busting before the money in some spots
Speaker 1: because you're adding a little bit more risk into your game,
Speaker 1: but that's just what you gotta do. Doug also said
Speaker 1: he said, kind of related, but should big tournaments allow
Speaker 1: players to discuss chopping at the final table? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think so. Yes, I'm always down for chopping.
Speaker 1: I personally subscribe to the deals should be allowed. But
Speaker 1: you should also have to leave like a percentage to
Speaker 1: play for, like call that five percent, call that ten percent,
Speaker 1: and call that twenty percent.
Speaker 2: Whatever that is. I always think that there should be
Speaker 2: something to play for. I don't.
Speaker 1: I really do hate when players just say, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: just chop it, shake hands and go home. You can
Speaker 1: have the trophy whatever.
Speaker 2: No, we do.
Speaker 1: I don't like that, you know, I like I think
Speaker 1: they do it on the ept where it's the Hey,
Speaker 1: you have to set aside a certain amount to play
Speaker 1: for and you can do whatever you want with the
Speaker 1: rest of the money. So it allows you to, you know,
Speaker 1: reduce some variants. You know, if you're or lock up
Speaker 1: some more money, which is a good thing, of course,
Speaker 1: but I like being able to ultimately play for it,
Speaker 1: have a winner, and get a little bit more extra
Speaker 1: in there. So I like that side of Nick Denny.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Nick Denny for his kind words, but
Speaker 1: he said you should have played the family pod jingle
Speaker 1: with the cartoon puking song after the or with the
Speaker 1: with a cartoon puking song after pot just before telling
Speaker 1: my sick kids story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I blew it. You know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: What are your top three spots walkable to get a
Speaker 1: decent sit down dinner during dinner break?
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, a lot of the restaurants
Speaker 1: in Paris I think are pretty good, So I mean
Speaker 1: I would start there. Now, obviously you're probably fighting with
Speaker 1: some crowds there. I would probably I think, listen, I've
Speaker 1: never done this, but I've been told you can make
Speaker 1: it to Aria, like you can walk there within fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: So I would definitely say you can headlen over to Blaggio,
Speaker 1: you can headlen over to Aria, you can headlen over.
Speaker 2: To plan in Hollywood, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: I will always tell people that when you are trying
Speaker 1: to get dinner on a dinner break. It's always benefits
Speaker 1: you to try and set up some sort of friend
Speaker 1: that goes there ahead of time. They can get the
Speaker 1: dinner or get the table or whatever, and you can
Speaker 1: you can come back out, or you can join to
Speaker 1: meet them, and then maybe if you have to leave early,
Speaker 1: you can go from there. Not too far from Horseshoe.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's really walking. Plus it's outside,
Speaker 1: but Naked City pizzas like kind of not too far away.
Speaker 1: If you're in for some pizza and some wings, I
Speaker 1: would check them out if.
Speaker 2: That's something you want to do.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to really say this because listen,
Speaker 1: I don't eat dinner breaks and dinner. I hate dinner
Speaker 1: breaks in Boger tournaments, and I don't like to eat
Speaker 1: when I'm there. But you know, if you got some
Speaker 1: money to spend, I would just say walk over to
Speaker 1: Blaggio and get a get a nice meal over there.
Speaker 1: Lars said my two cents, the dinner break will remain
Speaker 1: a fixture in Poger tournaments. What else can you get
Speaker 1: a thousand gamblers one and a half hours to spend
Speaker 1: their hard earned money at a casino restaurants or a
Speaker 1: machine called cash Inferno or something. Eliminate dinner break, eliminate
Speaker 1: the built in capitalist opportunity. I agree, this is why
Speaker 1: I think venues do this. I disagree on the idea.
Speaker 1: I think there are other ways to get people to
Speaker 1: spend the money in your casino while improving the overall
Speaker 1: experience of playing poker at your venue. I'm not a
Speaker 1: dinner break eye. I think that they should be gone
Speaker 1: and you should be doing different things. If you're an operator.
Speaker 1: For example, let's say this this million Maker that I
Speaker 1: just played. You know there was a dinner break on
Speaker 1: day one and day two. What I think is a
Speaker 1: better way to go about it is eliminate the dinner break. Okay,
Speaker 1: but instead if you get to a certain point, or
Speaker 1: if if you're in the tournament, you get a voucher
Speaker 1: for X percentage off. Like let's say you're playing day
Speaker 1: one of the Millionaire Maker, right, they have the I
Speaker 1: think it was a seventy five minute dinner break on
Speaker 1: day one. Well, instead of having that seventy five minute
Speaker 1: dinner break, just have a regular fifteen minute break and
Speaker 1: then allow people to get out of there an hour earlier.
Speaker 1: So let's say you get out there around nine o'clock,
Speaker 1: you know, just for argument's sake, but give them, you know,
Speaker 1: a fifteen or twenty percent off voucher as part of
Speaker 1: their buy in to this, And it's only good at
Speaker 1: certain restaurants within your venue. Right now, those people are
Speaker 1: financially incentivized to go spend money, which are You're probably
Speaker 1: making a decent amount of margin on anyway, so the
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty percent off shouldn't really hurt you. So
Speaker 1: I think you can do stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a better way that I.
Speaker 2: Go about it.
Speaker 1: That way you have, I think you have a better
Speaker 1: playing experience without having to deal with a dinner break.
Speaker 1: You also have a better nighttime experience in the fact
Speaker 1: that you get out at a reasonable time, you can
Speaker 1: set up a nice dinner with your friends, you can
Speaker 1: go there. You can of course take advantage of the
Speaker 1: little discount that you're getting. So I mean, yes, there
Speaker 1: are going to be some people that leave property and
Speaker 1: go elsewhere, but there's people that leave property and go
Speaker 1: elsewhere anyway on dinner breaks, so that doesn't matter, right,
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be kind of a wash.
Speaker 1: So that's how I would do something, because I believe
Speaker 1: that any operator in the space, the winning operator within
Speaker 1: this space in the next five, ten, fifteen years, will
Speaker 1: be the operator that focuses on experience first and above
Speaker 1: all else. So how you can improve the experience of
Speaker 1: going to play poker at your venue or at your
Speaker 1: tour or at your series like that is how you
Speaker 1: are ultimately gonna win. And this is my personal preference
Speaker 1: on how you know, or at least one thing on
Speaker 1: how you would do that. Eugene wrote in doesn't really
Speaker 1: have a question, but he did want me to get
Speaker 1: a message to Daniel on the ground. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Daniel's listening, if he is still hear it here.
Speaker 1: If not, maybe I'll find him in person and I'll
Speaker 1: bug him about this. But Daniel, sorry. Eugene said that
Speaker 1: he got into mixed games. He was watching some of
Speaker 1: Daniel's kind of instructional videos that he put on his
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, but they seem a little bit out of date,
Speaker 1: so he's got to freshen him up. You know, some
Speaker 1: of the stud rules and stuff might not really apply anymore.
Speaker 1: So all I'll say to Eugene is listen, I will
Speaker 1: see what I can do no promises here, but I
Speaker 1: will see what I can do. Justin Budd said, it
Speaker 1: was a pleasure to meet you at the Monster Stack.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the shout out. I did cash and busted
Speaker 1: on a cooler the last level of day two. Well,
Speaker 1: congrats on your cash. You did better than I did,
Speaker 1: he said, He enjoyed it. Definitely will play again next year.
Speaker 1: Luck in the main and all the other events you play. Justin,
Speaker 1: it was a pleasure meeting you. Don't stop emailing in.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. Also a shout out
Speaker 1: to Henry Toohey, thank you for the kind words. And
Speaker 1: then I do have to get one thing out of
Speaker 1: the way because there was a few different messages about
Speaker 1: the streaming and the coverage and as it pertains to
Speaker 1: poker Goro, so you know we I've seen them come
Speaker 1: through the email inbox, They've been on social media as well.
Speaker 1: So I do just want to present some clarity here,
Speaker 1: and that clarity is that poker go is no longer
Speaker 1: the rights holder or the group making the editorial and
Speaker 1: coverage decisions. So I know that's a bit of like
Speaker 1: not really anything. You know, the w s AP is
Speaker 1: running all those decisions directly. Our role for the summer
Speaker 1: is simply production support. A lot of the questions we
Speaker 1: just can't answer, Like, I'm sorry, guys, I don't have
Speaker 1: the answers for you. I know, my friend Jeff Platt
Speaker 1: has been out there on social media, you know, just
Speaker 1: answering every single question that that gets thrown his way.
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen them firsthand. He's NonStop grinding on
Speaker 1: Twitter answering questions. So you know, on one side of things,
Speaker 1: you guys can go back a few episodes. You can
Speaker 1: watch the podcast episode, the interview that I did with
Speaker 1: Jeff Platt when we talked about the streaming plans and
Speaker 1: the coverage, and not to throw anything more on Jeff's plate,
Speaker 1: but he's very accessible on Twitter. He has been responding
Speaker 1: to everyone, So if you do have a question, you know,
Speaker 1: throw it his way. But but that's really all I
Speaker 1: can say on that. I don't I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't want to ignore the people that have been asking
Speaker 1: us questions, so I'll just say that, Listen, we don't
Speaker 1: make those decisions anymore here at Poker Grow. We are
Speaker 1: partners with the World Series of Poker on the production
Speaker 1: side of things, yes, but you know, the questions do
Speaker 1: have to be sent their way, so you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: that doesn't annoy you guys too much with with my
Speaker 1: answer there, but you know, just full transparency there. I
Speaker 1: know we always do harp on transparency on this podcast,
Speaker 1: so just wanted to let you guys know unwhere the
Speaker 1: things stand. And no, we are not ignoring or at
Speaker 1: least I'm not trying to ignore the questions that are
Speaker 1: coming on social media, that are coming via email. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's that. That's the podcast. As always, it was
Speaker 1: a pleasure to talk poker with you guys. Another day
Speaker 1: at the World Series of Poker is done. Maybe I
Speaker 1: have no idea. It's one thirty in the morning. I'm
Speaker 1: going to go to bed. Shout out to Rich Ryan
Speaker 1: producer Rich for getting this up in the morning. As always,
Speaker 1: don't forget to check out that Jeremy Becker interview with
Speaker 1: Remco Rinkim on the Face the Ace podcast that just dropped.
Speaker 2: It's a good one.
Speaker 1: We are going to have Andrew Lucky Chewy Liutenburger coming
Speaker 1: out in a few days as well. We'll get back
Speaker 1: to recapping the WSOP stuff on the next episode. I
Speaker 1: plan on plane the fifteen hundred dollars freeze out on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: so wish me luck out there. My name is Donny
Speaker 1: Peters and I will talk to you guys next time.
Speaker 1: J