1 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,359 Poker Go Podcast. 3 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:17,359 Speaker 2: My name is Donnie Peters. 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, June twenty third, twelve forty four am. 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,920 The plan for today's show is I'm not really going 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,760 to touch on what happened at the World Series of 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,600 Poker today. Once again, got onto my computer a little 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,799 bit after midnight. I started looking around the tournaments and 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,079 stuff is still happening. Like the Milli Maker, I think 10 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:42,880 it's done for the day in real time, but because 11 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:47,320 they're on a delay due to the streaming, it's not 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,399 really being reported on in real time, of course, so 13 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:53,479 I don't really know what's happening there. You got the 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,799 fifty KPPC is still playing out, This twenty five hundred 15 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:59,119 dollars tournament still playing out, The one KPLO is still 16 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:01,200 playing out, so you know, all this stuff is still 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,679 playing out. I'm not going to stay up much later 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,959 then getting this podcast out of the way and then 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,799 trying to get some sleep. So what we're gonna do 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,920 on this episode is I'm going to go through the 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,599 numbers through the first fifty events. Told you guys, I 22 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:17,680 had been tracking things. I went through some of the 23 00:01:17,719 --> 00:01:21,239 stuff this evening and kind of put some thoughts together 24 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:24,439 some maybe I'll formulate it in real time as we 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,200 go through them, but I'll touch on the numbers through 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,840 the first fifty events. Remember the w SIP this year 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:35,480 is one hundred live poker tournaments, so fifty is exactly 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,760 the halfway point. Event Number fifty on the schedule was 29 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:42,239 the fifteen hundred dollars buy in Millionaire Maker that I 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,640 made a little bit of a run in made day 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,480 three today ultimately busted. And then I got some mailbag 32 00:01:48,519 --> 00:01:50,519 stuff that I promised you guys I would get to, 33 00:01:50,599 --> 00:01:53,239 So we'll get to that on this episode as well. 34 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:57,560 If you guys haven't done so already, I would really, 35 00:01:57,599 --> 00:02:00,560 really really encourage y'all to go back to the last 36 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:04,959 episode on this podcast feed or head to the Poker 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,039 Goro YouTube channel and check out our first episode of 38 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,960 the newly launched Face the Ace podcast. My coworker Remco 39 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:17,759 rinkim longtime colleague and friend of mine. He is the 40 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:20,960 host of that show. The first guest was the one 41 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,719 and only Jeremy Becker. This is a long form sit 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,599 down podcast, one on one, hence the name Face the Ace. 43 00:02:30,039 --> 00:02:33,639 Remco sits down with somebody from the poker industry and 44 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:37,000 just tries to dive into you know, who they are, 45 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,439 what makes them tick, how they got started, a little 46 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:43,199 bit in poker, their story, all that sort of stuff. 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,080 It's a really, really, really good podcast. I listened to 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,360 Jeremy's when they recorded it. I listened to it again 49 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,120 today and I love it, and listen. I'll be completely 50 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,080 honest with you guys, I am partial to Remco's interviewing ability. 51 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,400 I've always thought he's one of the absolute best, not 52 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:03,400 only in poker, but in that type of format. You know, 53 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:07,280 he asked the right questions. He's not shy to follow 54 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,400 up with things. He's inquisitive, so, you know, through it all, 55 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:12,319 I think Remco did a really good job. You know, 56 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,680 Jeremy talks about a little bit about his background and 57 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:19,759 how he got into the game. He talks about instinct, observation, 58 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:23,120 feeling the energy at the table. You know, he really 59 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:26,120 talks a lot about how he doesn't use solvers. He's 60 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:28,599 more of an experienced guy and in the moment guy, 61 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,319 that sort of stuff. You know, all of his poker success, 62 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,479 working with Daniel mcgroney, with Josh Are who are his backers, 63 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:37,479 in a lot of stuff. 64 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: You know. 65 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: I won't say too much more on it, but just 66 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,599 just highly encourage you guys to go out there. It 67 00:03:41,639 --> 00:03:45,000 is available in audio and video format, so either on 68 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:48,719 this feed or on the Poker Go YouTube channel. We 69 00:03:48,719 --> 00:03:52,599 have another episode coming hopefully next week from Andrew Lucky 70 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,639 Chewiye Lichtenberger, and then hopefully we'll be rolling those out 71 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,719 just about every week that we can. We can get 72 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:01,240 a good guest and Remka' is gonna deep dive with them, 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,479 So go check that out. That's the Face the Ace 74 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:06,680 podcast on the Poker Gol podcast feet So I guess 75 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:08,919 first things first, before I dive into these numbers, just 76 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,800 let me quickly tie a bow on my million maker 77 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:15,360 run more than eleven thousand entries in the field. I 78 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:19,639 made Day three that took place on Monday. I came 79 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,399 in with a little bit over thirty bigs, kind of 80 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:27,839 a not so hot start to the day, got down 81 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:30,879 to a little bit over three hundred k, and ended 82 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:34,319 up doubling up with pocket fives versus ace Queen. My 83 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,360 opponent hit an ace on the flop. I rivet a five, baby, 84 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,120 because that's how we do a little bit of chaos 85 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,600 in the hand with me going all in over a 86 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,600 raised guy making the call, dealer dropping the deck, pushing 87 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:47,879 him the pod. Was a little bit of a frantic 88 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:50,319 moment for a second there, but we got it all 89 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,879 squared away, and yeah, so I doubled up there, ended 90 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,439 up building up to around nine hundred K. 91 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: Lost a couple pots back. 92 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: I think I played okay in some spots, you know, definitely, 93 00:05:05,079 --> 00:05:07,120 as you always do. You know, you have some some 94 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:09,279 questions after things, so I'm gonna have to look at 95 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,319 some stuff. My My last hand was just a pretty 96 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:16,160 standard aid as king preflap. Razor had two nines. We 97 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,040 get the money in pre his nines held and that 98 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:22,160 was that two hundred and seventieth place out of you know, 99 00:05:22,199 --> 00:05:25,639 almost twelve thousand entries in this thing, eleven seven hundred 100 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,879 and something. So turned to my uh, well, I guess 101 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:31,240 three K because I was in in twice to this thing. 102 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:35,199 So turned three K into eighty one hundred dollars. Pretty 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,319 good run, you know, just hopefully you can just keep 104 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,399 stringing together playing well. I thought I played, at least 105 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,920 for what I think my pokerability is. Thought I played 106 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,199 the lights out on day two A couple of things. 107 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,879 I wasn't happy with very slight things, but overall thought 108 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,240 I played really really well, probably some of the best 109 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,800 poker I've ever played in my life today felt really 110 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,199 good as well. Didn't get to play like super long, 111 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,839 lasted I think two and a half hours or something 112 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:09,319 like that, maybe three hours before I busted, So you know, 113 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:13,000 I don't know. I just lost a couple of pots here, 114 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,120 ended up losing that big hand with the Ace King 115 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:17,800 to bust, and that was just that. 116 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: So it's not really that big of a deal, all. 117 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,879 Speaker 1: Right, let's get into these WSOP numbers. So again, I 118 00:06:23,959 --> 00:06:27,160 just looked through the first fifty events. I know we're 119 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:29,399 a bit past fifty because the Millionaire Maker is a 120 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:32,199 multi day event and that whole thing, But we're going 121 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,879 through the numbers one through fifty. 122 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:35,199 Speaker 2: Am I going to go through every single one. I'm 123 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:35,759 just going to hit. 124 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,959 Speaker 1: On some top line things here. The first thing that 125 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,160 I noticed is the headliner events, and I put headliners 126 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,759 in quotes on my little rundown of notes here. Those 127 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,160 events remained big, and by headliner events, I mean the 128 00:06:52,199 --> 00:06:57,240 Monster Stack, the Colossus, the Millionaire Maker. I would throw 129 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:00,319 the Mini Mystery Millions into this one as well. You know, 130 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:04,519 those are the headlining events. I guess you could also 131 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,839 include this seventeen hundred dollars US Circuit Championship in there, 132 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,160 But the problem is with that one is you can't 133 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:13,120 really compare it to past years because this is a 134 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,360 brand new event on the schedule for this year. Same 135 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:20,000 with the ten k Gigi Millions high Roller. Basically, headliner 136 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,639 events is like anything that puts something special in the 137 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,560 name that then transfers over into the structure that hopes 138 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,519 to draw people in. You know, all those events, though 139 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:31,920 they did pretty well. You had more than twenty thousand 140 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,120 entries in the Mini Mystery, Millions, you had almost twelve 141 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,639 k in the Monster Stack, and in the Million Millionaire 142 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:42,120 Maker you had the Colossus had over sixteen thousand entries. 143 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,639 Speaker 2: You know, Monster Stack was up, you. 144 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,319 Speaker 1: Know, about two thousand entries or so from twenty twenty five. 145 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:52,120 But you know, there was some finagle into the structure here, 146 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,759 which is going to kind of be a theme through 147 00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:57,319 some of this stuff. Millionaire Maker, you know, slightly slightly 148 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,600 down about about two hundred and thirty entries are so 149 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,639 down from last year, so they're they're kind of just 150 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,079 on part I mean, overall, those numbers they all draw. 151 00:08:06,199 --> 00:08:07,959 Are those events, I should say, so they all draw 152 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,040 really well. I guess it's a question is are they 153 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:15,319 holding up because of the changes to the structures? You know, 154 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,680 the Monster Sacked, the Colossus, the Millionaire Maker, those all 155 00:08:19,839 --> 00:08:23,839 those events all had multiple starting flights, so multiple day ones, 156 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,959 and then each starting flight had its own Day two, 157 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,959 so it allowed you to make a Day two play 158 00:08:29,959 --> 00:08:33,279 a bit longer into the structure, bust, you know, get 159 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,159 back into another Day one if it was available, and 160 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,399 go from there. So did those maybe pump the numbers 161 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,000 up a little bit? 162 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: You know? 163 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: I guess you would want to look at the data 164 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,320 that we don't have, which is you'd want to look 165 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,320 at unique entries and see how those compare year over 166 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:50,759 year and if the unique entries are in fact growing 167 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,360 up or growing up or staying the same or whatever. 168 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,080 Next thing that I noticed, you know, looking at the 169 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,039 numbers here mixed games, they seem to be having a moment. 170 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,159 Here they seem to be performing pretty well. You know, 171 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:05,840 this is one of the one of the trends that 172 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:08,759 kind of pops out the most. You've got some pretty 173 00:09:08,799 --> 00:09:11,759 healthy gains across the board, I know we touched on 174 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,559 a couple of these in the various episodes and we 175 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,279 talked about the events. But you know, you have the 176 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,039 fifteen hundred dollars no limitduce to seven single draw was 177 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,200 up eighteen percent, dealer's choice fifteen ars, dealer's choice was 178 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:26,759 up ten percent. The Big O had a huge jump 179 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,480 up forty three percent. I don't know if that one 180 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,480 might have had two starting flights or not, but either way, 181 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:33,919 still big jump there in entries. Even you know, even 182 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:36,519 if it has two starting flights versus one, it still 183 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,360 shows that there's demand to be able to uphold having 184 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,519 two starting flights in an event like that ten k 185 00:09:41,639 --> 00:09:45,639 Big O. Nice jump there, thirteen percent. Raz got a 186 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,559 nice boozt ten k Raz even that one jumped up 187 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,240 sixteen percent. So you know, there's a lot of jumps 188 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,320 in a lot of these these mix game tournaments, and 189 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,919 that's that's good to see, you know. I think I 190 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,759 think that for some time there was this kind of 191 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,559 underlying current with things that mixed games might be dying 192 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,360 and no one cares, and people just want to play 193 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,080 nolam at hold them, and then secondary to that, they 194 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,559 want to play PLO. But I mean, I think it's 195 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,440 pretty clear looking at the numbers this year that mixed 196 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,720 games are healthy. You know, they seem pretty good. The 197 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:20,960 participation is on par with past years and if not 198 00:10:21,159 --> 00:10:23,679 up you know, so that's that's great to see. And 199 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,759 if you do want to loop in or lump in 200 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:30,039 the PLO stuff into the mix game, so basically anything 201 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,960 non no limit hold them, then I think it bodes 202 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,639 really well for that sector of variants that are available 203 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:45,559 out in the World Series of Open. You can also 204 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,080 see from the numbers that pot limit Omaha does very, 205 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,679 very very well. This is impossible to mix now some 206 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:55,080 of the stuff, I think, if I remember correctly, might 207 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,080 have an additional starting flight or two in there. But 208 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:02,519 either way, you know, these events potlomon Omaha is definitely thriving. 209 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,600 People love to play it, even even just some of 210 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:08,960 the anecdotal stuff of like walking around the World Series 211 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,159 of Poker and talking to people and talking to people 212 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,559 who you know, I know play poker and they want 213 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,240 to play poker and whatever, and they want to get 214 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:20,919 into or they already are into pot limon Omaha much more. 215 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,279 You know, it's definitely booming, you know, I know, Joey 216 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,679 Ingram shout out to Poppy out there, you know, made 217 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,480 a big thing for many years like this is the 218 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,519 great game of potlm and Omaha. And he might have 219 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,600 been a little bit ahead of his time, you know, 220 00:11:34,759 --> 00:11:37,039 not that potlomon Omaha wasn't growing at the time when 221 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,559 Joey was championing that message. But now it really does 222 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,120 seem like PLO is absolutely crushing, and you know, it's 223 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,799 gotten to the point where I'm I'm starting to just 224 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:51,759 wonder if the WASIP really needs to take a hard 225 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:59,120 look at Pot limit Omaha, specifically in terms of increasing 226 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,679 the amount of events they have on their schedule, you know, 227 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:05,679 for next year and beyond and and maybe even you 228 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,159 do some some gimmick style things on the side where 229 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,559 you do like a Pot limit Omaha Player of the 230 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:13,879 Year or or something, you know, where it's just the 231 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:16,480 pot limit Omaha events. I don't know, I'm I don't 232 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:18,240 know if any of those things are right or wrong, 233 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:21,200 you know, I'm just I'm just throwing out ideas because 234 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:25,279 I see the numbers and I see how many people 235 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,759 really want to be playing pot limit Omaha. Like can 236 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,600 you do a I don't know, can you do a 237 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:35,759 pot limit Omaha Mystery Millions tournament. You know, yes they 238 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:38,399 have a potlamit Omaha Mystery Bounty, but can you I 239 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:39,960 think they have one of those, but you know, if 240 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,720 they don't, forgive me, but could you do like a 241 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:44,399 one with a million dollar prize pool guarantee? Like, can 242 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,519 you just start doing crazy stuff with pot limit Omaha? 243 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,399 You know, once upon a time it was like, can 244 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,840 we start doing crazy stuff with the nola at hold them? 245 00:12:51,919 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: Right? 246 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: I remember when they did the first one K nolanan 247 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,799 hold event Like that shit was bananas at the time, 248 00:12:57,919 --> 00:13:00,159 you know, and then you started thinking of all all 249 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:01,879 these kind of crazy things that you could do with 250 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,480 these big field Nolam and Holdham tournaments. Could you start 251 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,440 doing some of that sort of stuff with Potlam and Omaha. 252 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:08,039 Speaker 2: I don't know. 253 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,759 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like with the health that it's 254 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:14,840 showing from this variance, then yeah, maybe we could start 255 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:17,639 exploring that. I mean, I wouldn't go slapping out five 256 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,960 to ten events like that on the schedule, but maybe 257 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,879 you just put one out there and you make it 258 00:13:21,879 --> 00:13:24,559 a huge, big ordeal and make it a huge thing. 259 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:27,879 I don't know, I really feel like if you were 260 00:13:27,919 --> 00:13:29,720 going to be all in on potlam and Omaha as 261 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,840 the World Series of Poker. This might be the time, 262 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,080 Like this definitely might be the time. And I think, 263 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,120 you know, Tim Duckworth and I have been kind of 264 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,840 talking about this, you know, for maybe a year year 265 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,279 and a half or so, spawning the fact that you know, 266 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,840 we were doing the PGT PLO series that always did 267 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:49,600 really well. I know some polo events that have done 268 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,320 well elsewhere. We did the Texas PLO roundup that always 269 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,720 did really well down at Champions Club in Texas. 270 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: You know, you just you. 271 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: Could see, you could see it, you could here, you 272 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,720 could feel it, like so Potlomon Omaha is here, and 273 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:06,039 you know, there's probably more of it to be had 274 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,519 if the WSP wants to get out there and get 275 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,080 after it. On the other side of things, things that 276 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,639 might not be looking so hot, it's these mid stakes 277 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:19,320 Nolanman hold them events, you know, that's where it seems 278 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,039 like we're getting the biggest hits. You know, we got 279 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:27,360 the two K no limit was down I think forty percent, 280 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,600 maybe maybe slightly more. The three K Nolan hold Them 281 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:32,200 was down right around the same a little bit more 282 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,720 than forty percent, The five K eight handed was down 283 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:38,879 eighteen percent. You had a five hundred dollars freeze out 284 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:40,840 event that was down six hundred. Our Deep Stack that 285 00:14:40,919 --> 00:14:43,960 was down for this section though, like the two K 286 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,960 to three K and the five K, those events being 287 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,000 down as large as they are, you know, maybe it's 288 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,240 just that, and then coupled with, you know, some of 289 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,440 those smaller buying events which are less gimmicky than those 290 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,879 headlining events that I talked about at the start. Maybe 291 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:01,519 it's just that. Listen, here's a people are picking. They're 292 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:07,919 picking the big headlining events, the giant field marquee events. Again, 293 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,240 that's Monsters Stack, that's Millionaire Maker, that's Colossus. 294 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:11,759 Speaker 2: You know. 295 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: We have about to start is the Mystery Millions. We 296 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:17,240 had the Mini Mystery Millions back at the beginning. I know, 297 00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:19,039 a new event for this year, but still one of 298 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:22,120 those headlining events. And we're still going to have the 299 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,879 Gladiators of Poker coming up, you know, we have the 300 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:28,120 mini main events coming up. You know, So maybe it's 301 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,039 all those events that if somebody's going to pick something 302 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,879 to play, that's where these people are going to gravitate towards. 303 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:35,000 I mean, heck, that's what I gravitate towards right, like 304 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:36,039 that that's what I like to play. 305 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: Now. 306 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't like to play the Mystery Bounty tournaments. I'm 307 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,200 just not a fan of that format personally, so I 308 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:45,600 tend to skip those in the live realm. But you know, 309 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,720 I'll definitely make a point to play the Monsters Stack 310 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,919 the Million Maker. You know, I didn't play the Colosses 311 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,399 this year just because I couldn't fit it into the schedule. 312 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,919 But you know, I love the Colossus tournaments, you know, 313 00:15:57,039 --> 00:15:58,399 so stuff like that, and I think a lot of 314 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,759 people are just they're they're just drawn to those events. 315 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:04,320 So the recreational players that come out, even the serious 316 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,720 recreational players, you know, they love the Giant Field Marquee events, 317 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,159 and then that stuff in the middle, and it's and 318 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,840 that stuff in the middle also a two K, a 319 00:16:12,919 --> 00:16:14,879 three K, a five K, like that's also the stuff 320 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:16,799 that's it probably feels a bit. 321 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: Harder, right Like. 322 00:16:20,039 --> 00:16:24,039 Speaker 1: If you're somebody who's not a serious pro, I would 323 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,240 put myself into that category, Like I'm more of a 324 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:28,039 serious recreational I have a real job. 325 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:28,759 Speaker 2: I play for fun. 326 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I take it extremely seriously, but you know, I 327 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,480 still do it on the side. I'm not a professional 328 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,120 poker player. I'm gonna go after the events where I 329 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:40,519 think I have a better shot, and those tends to 330 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:42,759 be the one where I find more value in the field. 331 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:44,799 And that's going to be a million maker, that's gonna 332 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:46,919 be a colossus, that's gonna be a monster stack. 333 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: You know. 334 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I might find some time to play a two 335 00:16:50,279 --> 00:16:52,159 K or a three K if if I can swing 336 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,000 it and if I can feel comfortable and that sort 337 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,360 of stuff, But I'm not going to go out of 338 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:58,039 my way to play those events. You know, those are 339 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,879 kind of more of the the hardened pros are going 340 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,359 to be making up the large percentages of those fields. 341 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,720 You know, I look around a three K, I look 342 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:08,920 around a twenty five hundred dollars. I look around a 343 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,400 two K or a five K, and the tables do 344 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,000 seem pretty tough, you know, Versus you look around these 345 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:16,319 these millionaire makers and these monsters actually. 346 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: Like what's going on. 347 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: This is the greatest tournament in the world, you know. 348 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:22,680 So I think that's where people are just generally gravitating towards. 349 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:26,359 You could also have you know, some effect here of 350 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:29,319 you know, like what I was talking about when I 351 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:30,920 was talking about Potlam and Omaha, where a lot of 352 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,359 players these days are saying, you know, hm, I'm going 353 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,680 to be getting into Potlam and Omaha more, or maybe 354 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,680 they've already gotten. 355 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,759 Speaker 2: Into Potlam and Omaha more. 356 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,319 Speaker 1: Just with everything that's going on, maybe they're opting to 357 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:43,480 play a PLO event versus you know, playing a five 358 00:17:43,559 --> 00:17:45,279 K or a three K, you know, depending on how 359 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:47,880 that schedule breaks up. And then as it pertains to 360 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,640 the schedule, there's just a lot of crap going on 361 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,119 at the World Series. There's a lot of stuff that's 362 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,960 number one, number two, Like there's a lot of stuff 363 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,440 going around in Vegas. So maybe there's just some congestion everywhere. 364 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,960 I mean, there is congestion everywhere for sure. I think 365 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,400 that's undeniable. So you know, it's just it's harder to 366 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,759 get all these numbers, you know, just booming, booming, booming again. 367 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:13,319 I think the numbers are holding kind of overall. But yeah, yeah, 368 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,720 I think that's that's kind of where we're at. If 369 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,400 we are seeing a squeeze, it's definitely with these these 370 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,319 mid stakes. Nolan had hold them events specifically as for 371 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,839 the high roller stuff, So we're talking twenty five K, 372 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,039 fifty K hunter K. I mean even the two hundred 373 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:30,519 and fifty K Super high Roller happened already did see 374 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,039 some declines here. Twenty five K high Roller went down 375 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:36,079 about fifty players or fifty entries, twenty five K six 376 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,720 MacX down around ninety entries. The fifty K took a 377 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,480 pretty big hit down around ninety entries. Two hundred and 378 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,319 fifty K Super high Roller was down. Now the hunter 379 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,319 K high. 380 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: Roller, that one was up. 381 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: I guess you should also loop in the twenty five 382 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,599 K Heads Up Championship because it is similarly priced. You 383 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,480 know that field size did double, and I know that 384 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:59,039 part of that is structural because they did expand the 385 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:01,359 bracket from capping at sixty four to capping it at 386 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,319 one to twenty eight, and they did allow if you 387 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,200 played one A and you didn't make it through, you 388 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,680 could play one B. But still that that does demonstrate 389 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:11,519 that there is demand for a twenty five K heads 390 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:14,319 of poker turn That demand is there, and they got 391 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:16,759 there ultimately with having one hundred and twenty eight entries 392 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:19,400 in a twenty five K heads up tournament. So I mean, 393 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,720 that's that's a feather in their cap to be. 394 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: Able to achieve that, So, you know, I. 395 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,039 Speaker 1: Don't know when it comes to these these high roller events. 396 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,640 My thought here is that this is probably where you're 397 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,200 seeing the effects of two things happening. One, I think 398 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,920 this is probably where you're getting the biggest effect from 399 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,279 the new tax law, the ninety percent rule with the 400 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:46,160 tax law probably here. Two something like bitcoin being down. 401 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:49,759 I think these are the players that would be affected 402 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:51,720 the most, Like, like, those are the two things that 403 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:55,519 I think pertain here. You know, I just feel like 404 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:59,920 that community is more into the tax stuff, They're more 405 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,200 invested in bitcoin. So that's kind of where I am 406 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,559 with the high roller stuff. I think the high roller 407 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,400 schedule at the WSP is still very good, and they 408 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,279 offer kind of the right amount of stuff. So you know, 409 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,720 maybe these numbers showing the decline that they did, maybe 410 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,440 it just means that, you know, next year, you're. 411 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 2: Not looking to increase them. You're just going to stay 412 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,160 packed with everything. 413 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: Right, So just some overall stuff here. Once again, I 414 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,599 don't think poker is necessarily shrinking, you know, I think 415 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,240 you got those big headlining events. Monster Stack gets nearly 416 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:43,359 twelve thousand, the Millionaire Maker almost twelve thousand, Colossus got 417 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,480 up over sixteen thousand. I believe it is now the 418 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:50,680 fifteenth largest live poker tournament in history. The Mini Mystery 419 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,359 Millions drew very well, of course, more than twenty thousand 420 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,400 entries there so, and if you know, I talked about 421 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,720 how I possibly want to compare them not only to 422 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:02,759 last year, but to a previous year, and that year 423 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,920 was twenty nineteen. And shout out to my friend Jeff 424 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,759 Walsh for putting this on my radar, because twenty nineteen 425 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:14,680 that was the last pre COVID year. So I guess 426 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,319 if you were to like map a momentum of or 427 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:21,279 map the trend of poker field size is like it's 428 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:25,400 going kind of one direction from you know, two thousand 429 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,640 and six, seven eight, and then it's building and then 430 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:31,960 it drops off because of you know, black frighting and 431 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,400 all that sort of stuff, and it starts kind of 432 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,880 building back and then all of a sudden we get 433 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,319 smashed with this pandemic and just like kind of everything 434 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:40,359 falls off the cliff. Twenty twenty WSP doesn't really happen. 435 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,720 They do the main event, but it's like the online 436 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,599 to live hybrid, like it's just not the same and 437 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,039 then twenty twenty one comes around, you got to do 438 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:53,480 the whole vaccine card masks, like the whole thing, and 439 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:55,559 then you know, we're kind of like building back building, 440 00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:57,960 back building back so it like really threw everything off. 441 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,200 So like, where are we now compared to where we 442 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,559 were before that crazy pandemic happened? Right, and the numbers 443 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:09,960 look really good. I mean I have my spreadsheet color 444 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,000 coded in terms of like if this event happened in 445 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:16,720 twenty nineteen and if it happened in twenty twenty six, 446 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,960 is the trend? You know, if it's up, it's green, 447 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,440 if it's down, it's red. And I see a whole 448 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:25,200 heck of a lot of green. In fact, I only 449 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,720 see one, two, three, four red. Now there's a bunch 450 00:22:28,759 --> 00:22:32,240 of yellow, meaning that event didn't happen in the two years, 451 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:37,119 so you can't really compare it, but it's overwhelmingly it's 452 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,839 like twenty might be thirty, maybe thirty are green or so, 453 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:45,000 so it's like compared to twenty nineteen, like things are 454 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,799 up now. Of course, that comes with the fact that 455 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:50,599 a lot of that has to do with structures have changed. 456 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,960 They might have added starting flights, they might have added 457 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,519 re entry rules and stuff like that. But I still 458 00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:00,000 think that at least as it pertains to these headline 459 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:04,160 any name brand events again, Monster Stack, Colossus, Million Maker, 460 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:08,039 you know those events, they still do draw the poker 461 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:09,759 population incredibly well. 462 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:10,559 Speaker 2: That they do. 463 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's pretty safe to say, 464 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:17,240 you know, I think the players in those events they 465 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,240 like reasonable buy ins. So on the low end, you 466 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,160 have the Colossus five hundred dollars. On the higher end 467 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,599 of that sort of event, you've got fifteen hundred dollars 468 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:28,279 for the Millionmaker and the Monster Stack. So those are 469 00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:32,559 pretty reasonable price points, right. They offer huge prize pools, 470 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,559 Like people know that when you're playing one of those events, 471 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:38,480 you're going to get a huge prize pool. It's there 472 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:41,000 isn't a guarantee on the event, but it's basically guarantee. 473 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:41,279 Speaker 2: Right. 474 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:45,279 Speaker 1: You're getting big fields, you can you can win life 475 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,680 changing money, and it's not only just first prize. It's 476 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:53,039 like you make the final two tables or though for 477 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,079 a lot of people winning thirty k is going to 478 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,480 do a lot of really good things in their life, 479 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,000 and you can do that in these tournaments when these 480 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,680 fields are so so so big. I think the players 481 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,160 that that gravitates towards those events. You know, I feel 482 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,880 like they want to feel like they have a shot. 483 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,640 And if you're the more recreationally player you are, the 484 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,599 more you're going to gravitate towards an event where you 485 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,240 feel like you have a shot. So if it's a 486 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:22,279 choice between let's say, putting two bullets in the Monster 487 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,640 Stack for fifteen hundred dollars each, are going to play 488 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,599 the two thousand dollars Nolan hold them or the three 489 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,559 k Nolan hold them? I think you feel, without a doubt, 490 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:33,519 coupled with all those other things that I mentioned, you 491 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,359 have better shot to win more money at a more 492 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,240 palatable price point in something like the Monster Stack or 493 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:44,039 the Millionmaker. So that's why you know those draw very well. 494 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,799 I also think that PLO it's no longer a side show. 495 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,319 It is right there. It is booming, it is growing. 496 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,480 So you know, I talked about how there should possibly 497 00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:57,160 be more PLO or you know, maybe starting to dip 498 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,880 into the gimmick side of PLO a little bit more 499 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,160 so that that can definitely happen mixed games. Yes, they 500 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,480 are still a distant third to nolanm at hold them 501 00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:11,400 in poo, Yes, but those seem incredibly healthy, incredibly healthy, 502 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,119 so traditional midstakes Nolan at hold them events those took 503 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,640 a hit. So that's the two K, the three K, 504 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,599 and the five K. Those are some rather significant declines. 505 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,960 And I think that's it's not like where I should 506 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,960 think you need to remove those events from the schedule, 507 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:28,440 because you know, the two K got nine hund and 508 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,519 sixty eight, the three K got thirteen hundred, the five 509 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,039 K got five seventy, like those are still fine numbers, right, 510 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:35,960 but it's probably you probably don't want to add multiple 511 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:38,079 of those events, right. You're probably just fine with the 512 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:40,160 ones that you have, and that's what you're gonna keep 513 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,279 doing every single year. So I think also we might 514 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,759 be seeing the player pool being split a little bit more, 515 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,839 and that comes, you know, both in the variants that 516 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,240 they're opting to focus on. I talked about how some 517 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:54,200 of those players might be choosing to you know, maybe 518 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,920 they skip and Nolan and Hold them event to play 519 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,079 a PLO event. Maybe there's people a heck that are 520 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,960 skipping Nolan hold events to play mixed game events, right, 521 00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:04,759 that could be happening. There's also a lot of venues 522 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,279 right here in Las Vegas that are doing big things. 523 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,680 You got stuff at Aria in partnership with bet MGM, 524 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,039 you got the Win running big stuff. You got Venetian 525 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720 running big stuff. Of course, everything that's happening at the 526 00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:20,839 World Series of Pover is you know, going all summer 527 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,960 every single day. You know, there's just there's stuff freaking everywhere. 528 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,799 You got the even the kind of on the smaller side, 529 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:27,279 you got stuff at the Orleans. I think you have 530 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:29,160 stuff at the Golden Nuggets. So it's just there's just 531 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,799 there's stuff everywhere. There is so much stuff to play. 532 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,960 And then you know, you never know on schedule timing, 533 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,160 like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go through this, 534 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,759 you know, with with with such a fine comb that 535 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,960 that I'm just I'm picking every little thing apart, like, 536 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,680 oh well, this one was shifted by seven days here, 537 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,200 and this one's off by you know, a whole month 538 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,319 in the schedule, and then everything that goes around and 539 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,640 I'm not doing all of that. So everything that I 540 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,240 say isn't exactly apples to apples. I'm just trying to 541 00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:59,519 paint a bigger picture. I know there's been a lot 542 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,559 of conversation about oh, the numbers are down. The numbers 543 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:08,559 are down. The numbers are down. I mean, yes, but. 544 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: I'm hitting you guys with it. 545 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, but I don't know, I kind of 546 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,839 feel like they're not as bad as we might be 547 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,039 making out to seem. Like, yeah, the mid stakes Nolman 548 00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:23,319 hold them stuff. Those are taking big hits. The high rollers, 549 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,799 those are down, but the mixed games are up. The 550 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,359 PLO is pretty much crushing. I mean, if you just 551 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,440 want to look at the first fifty events this year 552 00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:36,200 by number versus the first fifty events from last year, 553 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,039 this year's got one hundred and sixteen thousand plus entries. 554 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,480 Last year had one hundred and four eight hundred, So 555 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,359 you're up in total entries, right of course, you know 556 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,279 that can be what I'm saying with It's not exactly 557 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,799 Apple's taples. It depends where certain things following the schedule 558 00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:54,039 and whatever. But you know, overall, I think poker's okay. 559 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,960 Like I think it's okay. I think you just we're 560 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,160 at the time in the industry when when people just 561 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,519 don't need to be, you know, tripping over the front 562 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:07,519 of their skis with giant guarantees and tons of events 563 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:13,279 and all this crazy stuff because it just the demand 564 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,839 might not be there yet, so don't go too crazy 565 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,799 with the supply. That's just where I'm getting at with this. 566 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,720 I do also need to say that I do not 567 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,519 know fully how untouched these numbers are. And what I 568 00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:32,200 mean by untouched is like we know the day one 569 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,559 plus the day two situation, some of the re entry stuff. 570 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,240 Maybe that's kind of pumping up these numbers a little 571 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,839 bit in some of these events, you know, Yes, I mean, 572 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,279 I have this good feeling, I think that things are okay, 573 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,039 you know, I just don't. I don't know fully if 574 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,480 all the positive things that I am seeing are more 575 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,000 of a result of structural manipulation than anything else. And 576 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,240 it's not to say that some of these structural changes 577 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,440 can't be absorbed by the community, because I think they 578 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,880 certainly can't. It's more about there's definitely a sense out there, 579 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,559 and you can see it on social media a lot, 580 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:13,599 that there's a large portion and a growing portion of 581 00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:18,519 the community that is feeling a bit squeezed by the 582 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,839 late registration and how lengthy that is the individual Day 583 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:24,400 two is and how it kind of can seem like 584 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,279 a trap at times that you just get sucked into 585 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,599 these tournaments. So it's a lot, and I just I 586 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:31,640 don't want us to get too far ahead, that we're 587 00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:33,319 so far ahead and then all of a sudden something 588 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,160 falls off a cliff. Because I think poker is generally, 589 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,359 overall in a pretty healthy place. I think these numbers 590 00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,319 do bear out that things are healthy. But let's just 591 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,559 not go too buck wild with things. You know, everything's 592 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,920 got its own it's you know, three day ones and 593 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,039 their own day two's, and late registration for so much 594 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,039 time and like all this sort of stuff. Let's not 595 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:54,400 just go too crazy with it. 596 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:54,759 Speaker 2: Right. 597 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,799 Speaker 1: So yeah, so overall I think it's okay. You know, 598 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,000 I don't think it's bad. I don't think it's overwhelmingly 599 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,839 awesome like everything's up, like money's falling from the sky. 600 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200 It's great whatever, you know. But you know, I think 601 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,960 the big field no limits stuff, the stuff that attracts 602 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,680 the recreational players, that's pretty good. There's a lot of 603 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,880 value still to be had there. Those numbers look like 604 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,000 they're holding strong. Mixed games are doing well, Potlam and 605 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,599 Omaha is doing well. Yeah, we see some pullback on 606 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,079 the high rollers. Yeah, we see some pullback on the 607 00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:26,000 mid steak stuff, and maybe some of that mid steak 608 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:27,839 stuff we kind of maybe see throughout the rest of 609 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:28,160 the year. 610 00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: Like the most notable. 611 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,279 Speaker 1: Stuff would be World Poker Tour stuff, just because they 612 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,759 operate in that price plint of like the thirty five 613 00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:36,920 hundred to five K range most often, So we'll have 614 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,319 to keep an eye on that and see how they go. 615 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,960 But you know, I think it's okay. You know, so 616 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:44,799 the sky is not falling, none freak out out there. 617 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,960 I think the numbers are holding pretty strong. And the 618 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,720 one thing that I would say is that if there 619 00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:52,240 was a time, I think I've said this before, but 620 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:54,559 if there was a time to get into potlam and omah, 621 00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:55,680 it feels like that time. 622 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:01,279 Speaker 2: Now. 623 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into some of these mailbag questions, comments, 624 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:08,640 emails that were sent in that I owe you guys 625 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,480 got a handful of them here, so let's just get 626 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:16,839 right into it. Doug wrote in said in massive field tournaments, 627 00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:18,960 our payoffs too heavily weighted to the top. If you're 628 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,599 in a field of ten thousand players and finished one 629 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,200 hundredth meaning you outlasted ninety nine percent of them, it 630 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:29,359 seems like you should make some pretty freaking big money, 631 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:31,640 but the five the top five to ten spots hog 632 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,079 such a huge chunk and there's not much left for 633 00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:37,240 players to be ridiculously but fall short of the found 634 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,720 say well, I mean, I get it, but you know, 635 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,359 the money should be up top, Doug and into everyone 636 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,839 out there. I will say that I'm not totally on 637 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,480 this trend of paying fifteen percent that I do a lot. 638 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:50,160 I know they do a lot of at the WSIP. 639 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,480 I think it should be more closer to twelve and 640 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,480 a half percent. I'm just kind of over the fifteen 641 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,640 percent thing. I think you should be paying twelve and 642 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,680 a half or twelve percent of the field and let's 643 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:04,400 just go from there, which you know, speaking to Doug here, 644 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,119 that would then allow you to have some more money 645 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,680 to put towards some of the other places. 646 00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:09,759 Speaker 2: I do like. 647 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,559 Speaker 1: Having, you know, having the money up top in poker tournaments. 648 00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:14,720 I think that's part of the fun is playing for 649 00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:18,559 all the freaking damn money up top and chasing that goal. 650 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,880 And I don't think that they're they're too bad overall, 651 00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,880 you know, I mean, I think it's I think it's fine, 652 00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:27,519 you know, because when you when you think of it, 653 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:31,920 like in terms of buyings, I think it's still pretty good. 654 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,920 I mean I just finished two hundred and seventy out 655 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,359 of almost twelve thousand entries in this million Maker. You know, 656 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,279 the buying was fifteen hundred. I got eighty eight hundred dollars. 657 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,119 I think that's plenty fine. You know, I played for 658 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:48,559 two and a half days of poker, a little bit 659 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,400 less than two and a half days of poker, and 660 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,680 I had a nice return on my money. And you 661 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,200 know it was almost what six buyons that that I 662 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,160 won back, and I thought it was you know, I 663 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,000 think it's a really good you know, I would have 664 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,000 loved to be playing for more a bit deeper in 665 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,160 the tournament, but yeah, I think overall it's it's not 666 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,160 the worst. And part of the you know, they always 667 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,039 say in tournaments, the money's up top. You know, the 668 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,319 money is in the first the top three spots or 669 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,400 the top five spots or whatever, and that's why you 670 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,799 need to play accordingly to give yourself the best chance 671 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,000 to not just hit these min cashes like you have 672 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,880 to be putting yourself in a position to you know, 673 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:27,839 be able to go on and make a final table 674 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,839 and make a top five or top three, or heck, 675 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,160 even win the damn thing, you know, because that's what's 676 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,640 gonna pay the bills. And yes, some of that may 677 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,759 mean you are busting before the money in some spots 678 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,680 because you're adding a little bit more risk into your game, 679 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,960 but that's just what you gotta do. Doug also said 680 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:49,039 he said, kind of related, but should big tournaments allow 681 00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,599 players to discuss chopping at the final table? Yeah, I 682 00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,119 mean I think so. Yes, I'm always down for chopping. 683 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,799 I personally subscribe to the deals should be allowed. But 684 00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,880 you should also have to leave like a percentage to 685 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,720 play for, like call that five percent, call that ten percent, 686 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,039 and call that twenty percent. 687 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,559 Speaker 2: Whatever that is. I always think that there should be 688 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:10,719 something to play for. I don't. 689 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: I really do hate when players just say, yeah, let's 690 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,400 just chop it, shake hands and go home. You can 691 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,400 have the trophy whatever. 692 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 2: No, we do. 693 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't like that, you know, I like I think 694 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,880 they do it on the ept where it's the Hey, 695 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,880 you have to set aside a certain amount to play 696 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,079 for and you can do whatever you want with the 697 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,280 rest of the money. So it allows you to, you know, 698 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,000 reduce some variants. You know, if you're or lock up 699 00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:33,800 some more money, which is a good thing, of course, 700 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,960 but I like being able to ultimately play for it, 701 00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,440 have a winner, and get a little bit more extra 702 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,440 in there. So I like that side of Nick Denny. 703 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,920 Shout out to Nick Denny for his kind words, but 704 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,159 he said you should have played the family pod jingle 705 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,000 with the cartoon puking song after the or with the 706 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,079 with a cartoon puking song after pot just before telling 707 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:57,199 my sick kids story. 708 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I blew it. You know, what are you gonna do? 709 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: What are your top three spots walkable to get a 710 00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:07,199 decent sit down dinner during dinner break? 711 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: Good question. 712 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,639 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, a lot of the restaurants 713 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,440 in Paris I think are pretty good, So I mean 714 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,159 I would start there. Now, obviously you're probably fighting with 715 00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:23,079 some crowds there. I would probably I think, listen, I've 716 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,119 never done this, but I've been told you can make 717 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,039 it to Aria, like you can walk there within fifteen minutes. 718 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,119 So I would definitely say you can headlen over to Blaggio, 719 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,239 you can headlen over to Aria, you can headlen over. 720 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 2: To plan in Hollywood, all that sort of stuff. 721 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,079 Speaker 1: I will always tell people that when you are trying 722 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:41,440 to get dinner on a dinner break. It's always benefits 723 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,320 you to try and set up some sort of friend 724 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,280 that goes there ahead of time. They can get the 725 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,960 dinner or get the table or whatever, and you can 726 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,800 you can come back out, or you can join to 727 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,519 meet them, and then maybe if you have to leave early, 728 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,559 you can go from there. Not too far from Horseshoe. 729 00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:02,679 I don't know if it's really walking. Plus it's outside, 730 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,719 but Naked City pizzas like kind of not too far away. 731 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,039 If you're in for some pizza and some wings, I 732 00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:10,800 would check them out if. 733 00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:11,679 Speaker 2: That's something you want to do. 734 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,519 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to really say this because listen, 735 00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,840 I don't eat dinner breaks and dinner. I hate dinner 736 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,599 breaks in Boger tournaments, and I don't like to eat 737 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,039 when I'm there. But you know, if you got some 738 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:23,719 money to spend, I would just say walk over to 739 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,800 Blaggio and get a get a nice meal over there. 740 00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:29,440 Lars said my two cents, the dinner break will remain 741 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:31,679 a fixture in Poger tournaments. What else can you get 742 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,079 a thousand gamblers one and a half hours to spend 743 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,360 their hard earned money at a casino restaurants or a 744 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,920 machine called cash Inferno or something. Eliminate dinner break, eliminate 745 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,599 the built in capitalist opportunity. I agree, this is why 746 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:49,119 I think venues do this. I disagree on the idea. 747 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,119 I think there are other ways to get people to 748 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,599 spend the money in your casino while improving the overall 749 00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:59,679 experience of playing poker at your venue. I'm not a 750 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,480 dinner break eye. I think that they should be gone 751 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,480 and you should be doing different things. If you're an operator. 752 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,000 For example, let's say this this million Maker that I 753 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,000 just played. You know there was a dinner break on 754 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,760 day one and day two. What I think is a 755 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,079 better way to go about it is eliminate the dinner break. Okay, 756 00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:21,639 but instead if you get to a certain point, or 757 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,400 if if you're in the tournament, you get a voucher 758 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,760 for X percentage off. Like let's say you're playing day 759 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,960 one of the Millionaire Maker, right, they have the I 760 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,719 think it was a seventy five minute dinner break on 761 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,960 day one. Well, instead of having that seventy five minute 762 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,760 dinner break, just have a regular fifteen minute break and 763 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,800 then allow people to get out of there an hour earlier. 764 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,159 So let's say you get out there around nine o'clock, 765 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,880 you know, just for argument's sake, but give them, you know, 766 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,320 a fifteen or twenty percent off voucher as part of 767 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,360 their buy in to this, And it's only good at 768 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,719 certain restaurants within your venue. Right now, those people are 769 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,000 financially incentivized to go spend money, which are You're probably 770 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:03,000 making a decent amount of margin on anyway, so the 771 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,920 fifteen or twenty percent off shouldn't really hurt you. So 772 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,000 I think you can do stuff like that. You know, 773 00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:09,199 that's a better way that I. 774 00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:09,599 Speaker 2: Go about it. 775 00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: That way you have, I think you have a better 776 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,639 playing experience without having to deal with a dinner break. 777 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,320 You also have a better nighttime experience in the fact 778 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,320 that you get out at a reasonable time, you can 779 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,400 set up a nice dinner with your friends, you can 780 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,920 go there. You can of course take advantage of the 781 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,000 little discount that you're getting. So I mean, yes, there 782 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,000 are going to be some people that leave property and 783 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:33,360 go elsewhere, but there's people that leave property and go 784 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,840 elsewhere anyway on dinner breaks, so that doesn't matter, right, 785 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,559 I think that's going to be kind of a wash. 786 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,079 So that's how I would do something, because I believe 787 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,960 that any operator in the space, the winning operator within 788 00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:51,920 this space in the next five, ten, fifteen years, will 789 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,719 be the operator that focuses on experience first and above 790 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,679 all else. So how you can improve the experience of 791 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,760 going to play poker at your venue or at your 792 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,000 tour or at your series like that is how you 793 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:10,480 are ultimately gonna win. And this is my personal preference 794 00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:13,360 on how you know, or at least one thing on 795 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,199 how you would do that. Eugene wrote in doesn't really 796 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:17,599 have a question, but he did want me to get 797 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:19,719 a message to Daniel on the ground. I don't know 798 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,559 if Daniel's listening, if he is still hear it here. 799 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,360 If not, maybe I'll find him in person and I'll 800 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,039 bug him about this. But Daniel, sorry. Eugene said that 801 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,159 he got into mixed games. He was watching some of 802 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,840 Daniel's kind of instructional videos that he put on his 803 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,679 YouTube channel, but they seem a little bit out of date, 804 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,360 so he's got to freshen him up. You know, some 805 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,440 of the stud rules and stuff might not really apply anymore. 806 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,199 So all I'll say to Eugene is listen, I will 807 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,440 see what I can do no promises here, but I 808 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,800 will see what I can do. Justin Budd said, it 809 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,280 was a pleasure to meet you at the Monster Stack. 810 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,639 Thanks for the shout out. I did cash and busted 811 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,519 on a cooler the last level of day two. Well, 812 00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:56,800 congrats on your cash. You did better than I did, 813 00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:59,800 he said, He enjoyed it. Definitely will play again next year. 814 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,920 Luck in the main and all the other events you play. Justin, 815 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,480 it was a pleasure meeting you. Don't stop emailing in. 816 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,599 It was a lot of fun. Also a shout out 817 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:11,119 to Henry Toohey, thank you for the kind words. And 818 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,400 then I do have to get one thing out of 819 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,639 the way because there was a few different messages about 820 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,440 the streaming and the coverage and as it pertains to 821 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,360 poker Goro, so you know we I've seen them come 822 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,760 through the email inbox, They've been on social media as well. 823 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,880 So I do just want to present some clarity here, 824 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,760 and that clarity is that poker go is no longer 825 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,480 the rights holder or the group making the editorial and 826 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:41,119 coverage decisions. So I know that's a bit of like 827 00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:44,320 not really anything. You know, the w s AP is 828 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,719 running all those decisions directly. Our role for the summer 829 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,800 is simply production support. A lot of the questions we 830 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,559 just can't answer, Like, I'm sorry, guys, I don't have 831 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,880 the answers for you. I know, my friend Jeff Platt 832 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,119 has been out there on social media, you know, just 833 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,960 answering every single question that that gets thrown his way. 834 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:07,559 You know, I've seen them firsthand. He's NonStop grinding on 835 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:11,800 Twitter answering questions. So you know, on one side of things, 836 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,719 you guys can go back a few episodes. You can 837 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,320 watch the podcast episode, the interview that I did with 838 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,360 Jeff Platt when we talked about the streaming plans and 839 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,159 the coverage, and not to throw anything more on Jeff's plate, 840 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,119 but he's very accessible on Twitter. He has been responding 841 00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:28,960 to everyone, So if you do have a question, you know, 842 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,000 throw it his way. But but that's really all I 843 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,880 can say on that. I don't I feel like I 844 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,760 don't want to ignore the people that have been asking 845 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,760 us questions, so I'll just say that, Listen, we don't 846 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,320 make those decisions anymore here at Poker Grow. We are 847 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,519 partners with the World Series of Poker on the production 848 00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:46,440 side of things, yes, but you know, the questions do 849 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,119 have to be sent their way, so you know, hopefully 850 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,199 that doesn't annoy you guys too much with with my 851 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,760 answer there, but you know, just full transparency there. I 852 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,039 know we always do harp on transparency on this podcast, 853 00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:59,880 so just wanted to let you guys know unwhere the 854 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,679 things stand. And no, we are not ignoring or at 855 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,239 least I'm not trying to ignore the questions that are 856 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,920 coming on social media, that are coming via email. But yeah, 857 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,519 but that's that. That's the podcast. As always, it was 858 00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,800 a pleasure to talk poker with you guys. Another day 859 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,840 at the World Series of Poker is done. Maybe I 860 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,000 have no idea. It's one thirty in the morning. I'm 861 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,320 going to go to bed. Shout out to Rich Ryan 862 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,599 producer Rich for getting this up in the morning. As always, 863 00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:29,960 don't forget to check out that Jeremy Becker interview with 864 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,840 Remco Rinkim on the Face the Ace podcast that just dropped. 865 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 2: It's a good one. 866 00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: We are going to have Andrew Lucky Chewy Liutenburger coming 867 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,440 out in a few days as well. We'll get back 868 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,679 to recapping the WSOP stuff on the next episode. I 869 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,280 plan on plane the fifteen hundred dollars freeze out on Tuesday, 870 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,519 so wish me luck out there. My name is Donny 871 00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:51,880 Peters and I will talk to you guys next time. 872 00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:57,199 J