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<v Speaker 1>April millsap was a young teen who was just beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to take on the world when her life was tragically

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<v Speaker 1>taken away in twenty fourteen. April was walking her dog

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<v Speaker 1>in a local park when a man snuck up behind

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<v Speaker 1>her and attacked. However, what this man didn't know was

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<v Speaker 1>that April had a fitness app running on her phone,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would show police every detail of every step

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<v Speaker 1>she was taking, and even every step of the murderer

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<v Speaker 1>when he stole her phone and fled the scene. My

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<v Speaker 1>name's Ben, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Gram, a true

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<v Speaker 2>crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. The following podcast and material intended for a mature

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<v Speaker 1>audience listener discretion. It's up.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back. Two week hiatus, two week vacation. Uh it went.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like it just dragged on. It felt like

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<v Speaker 1>a month.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, it did well. I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>because we were sick for a part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, yeah, our hiatus was only going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a week, and uh yeah, then we got super sick

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<v Speaker 1>and we had to extend that, so our apologies. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even have a voice for like nearly a week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>We're having a lot of people message us, where are you?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, are you guys alive?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we were alive, barely and we are alive. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm much better than Nicole is a cold. You said

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<v Speaker 1>you were sitting at what like, So.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like, that's very much still on the end, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting at like ninety five ninety eight percent recovered.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I got I got it a little a few

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<v Speaker 2>days later.

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<v Speaker 1>Than you, so makes sense, So I'm a bit ahead

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<v Speaker 1>on the recovery schedule. Yes, sure, but yeah, we were

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<v Speaker 1>down in Florida, went to Disney World, went to Universal Studios.

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<v Speaker 1>We recorded our last episode and we were down there.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to Halloween Horror Nights at Universal. Well we

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<v Speaker 1>did it, And yeah, we did a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>work while we were down there. So it was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a work trip slash vacation. And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>in a place where there's so many people walking around

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<v Speaker 1>in parks like Universal and Disney. It's only I mean

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<v Speaker 1>understandable that we got as sick as we did. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the germs everywhere, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I still think I might have been okay, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I might have been okay. It was you that you

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<v Speaker 2>gave it to me, I might have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, but you still got it, I know, which sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone gave it to me and then I gave it

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<v Speaker 1>to you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like almost feeling like clausterphobe because you were

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<v Speaker 2>like sick as fuck and we were in a hotel

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<v Speaker 2>room that didn't have a window or anything that you

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<v Speaker 2>could freaking open.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the windows, so I'm like blocked from the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, Okay, I guess I'm just doomed. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doomed pretty much pretty much. But that's okay. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I've pat that's marriage. You passed it back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so uh, next time you get sick, just

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<v Speaker 1>feel free to cough on my face. I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, is that what you're after?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, okay, thank god, but I do have a

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<v Speaker 2>free pass fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have some patrons to thank who signed up

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<v Speaker 1>even while the the hiatus was happening, even while there

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<v Speaker 1>was no show occurring, you guys still signed up for

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon to get that behind the scenes and exclusive access

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<v Speaker 1>to all the content. So thank you very much to

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<v Speaker 1>Tonya Carr, Christine and Marcus Smith, Chloe melsni Andre Casperne Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>Jen Intel Nice. Yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they were missing those episodes so they wanted the

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon episodes. Hey, potentially there is a whole slew of

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<v Speaker 2>them on there, there is.

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<v Speaker 1>We did not get a Patreon episode out for September

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<v Speaker 1>with us being as sick as we were, unfortunately, but

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<v Speaker 1>we argue making up by putting a total of three

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<v Speaker 1>out this October, so there will be an extra one

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<v Speaker 1>coming out plus the one we miss and then plus

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<v Speaker 1>the October one.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and it's Halloween Week two coming up. It

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<v Speaker 2>is so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween wow upon us.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. I actually feel like I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel like it's that time of year. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>little behind here.

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<v Speaker 1>I am full Halloween mode.

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<v Speaker 2>You are? You are?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have any decorations up because I mean, tiny home,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really decorate much for anything here. But I've

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<v Speaker 1>been watching movies. I've been getting spooky, listening to tunes

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<v Speaker 1>like the Monster Mash NonStop, even on Patreon, like we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing a thirty one days of Halloween movie countdown, and

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<v Speaker 1>like it's all movies that I'm watching and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is cool. And I did get us a

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<v Speaker 2>pumpkin pie the other day, which was lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>And we got our chickens of pumpkin the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they carved us a little pumpkin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just half a pumpkin now. But still, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been good times enjoying the full Halloween. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>with Halloween and Halloween Week coming, that means JACKO is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be returning very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, good old Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're ready for Halloween Week because that is that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>That got me real excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, okay, do we have anything else we want to

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<v Speaker 1>touch on? I mean, I do understand we've been two

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<v Speaker 1>week hiatus, so we might have a little bit to cover,

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<v Speaker 1>but well, I think we.

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<v Speaker 2>Should just talk about that little event we have coming

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<v Speaker 2>up though, and then we can dive into the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, talk about that little event.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're doing a murder mystery, which is very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the date though, it's October twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, okay, twenty fourth, so it's local Prince George.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a dead fall. Tickets are on

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<v Speaker 2>sale and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's only thirty tickets total. We've sold I think

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<v Speaker 1>eleven so far. We haven't really marketed like at all,

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<v Speaker 1>so I do know that they are going to sell

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<v Speaker 1>out relatively quickly. But yeah, if you want to join,

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<v Speaker 1>head over to our Facebook page, our wicketting Grim Facebook page.

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<v Speaker 1>The event is there and there's a link where you

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<v Speaker 1>can get the tickets and you can join up. But

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<v Speaker 1>like Nicole said, it is an in person, local event.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like you're going to dress up. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have like a candy bar. It's on Thursday night,

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<v Speaker 2>which I feel like most people you know probably are available.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's warming up into the Halloween stuff, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so most people are busy on the Friday Saturday sunmeal Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>So hit it on a Thursday where you can still

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<v Speaker 1>make room for all your other Halloween events. Get dressed up.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be there. We will be playing certain characters.

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<v Speaker 1>We come up get information. But most importantly, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not just a it's not a murder mystery that we

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<v Speaker 1>just went and bought. We didn't go to someone say

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<v Speaker 1>hey we need a murder mystery for a party, give

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<v Speaker 1>us something. We have written the entire story. We have

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<v Speaker 1>created all the characters that you will be talking to.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is written by us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is wild actually.

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<v Speaker 1>So complete original story you can't find anywhere else and cool. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, be there be Square. I guess there be

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<v Speaker 2>Square's kidding. I know, it's like, I mean, most of

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners are from PG so but the few that

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<v Speaker 2>are or the son that are, like, grab your ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll see you guys there. But other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>are we good? We can get onto the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should get on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's been a little bit of a longer intro

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<v Speaker 1>in today's episode. Sorry, we're just kind of catching up.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, let's get into the actual case. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is the case. As I mentioned at the very

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of April millsap Okay, so April Dawn millsap was

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<v Speaker 1>born on January twod in the year two thousand, to

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby and Jennifer millsap in Weiese County, Virginia. Now Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>April's mother had a condition called sarah Bella taxia, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a neurological disorder that affects coordination, balance, and speech

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<v Speaker 1>and eye movement a bit. Though Jennifer's ability to walk

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<v Speaker 1>and speak. Was affected, her mind remains sharp. She's completely normal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I'm not gonna try and like compare different conditions,

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<v Speaker 1>but just for a more an example that we can

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<v Speaker 1>all really understand a bit more. Cerebral palsy for example, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>where it affects people's motor functions, but they're completely fine,

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<v Speaker 1>Like their mind is one hundred percent sound sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's similar. So, yeah, she was affected a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was completely normal other than that. And when

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<v Speaker 1>April came into her life, she became Jennifer's focus and joy.

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<v Speaker 1>Though Bobby and Jennifer eventually did divorce, by the time

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<v Speaker 1>April was six, Jennifer had entered into a new relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with a man by the name of David Litchenfeldt. Now together,

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<v Speaker 1>the couple decided to relocate with April to a city

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<v Speaker 1>called Armada. And this is more of a small village,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess than a city. It's about thirty min north

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<v Speaker 1>of Detroit in Michigan, with a population of just around

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that's small.

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<v Speaker 1>Armada was a definition of a peaceful, close knit community.

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<v Speaker 1>It's known for its friendly atmosphere, a strong sense of belonging,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's surrounded by natural beauty and had a safe,

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<v Speaker 1>affordable environment for raising a family. The village boasted a

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<v Speaker 1>low crime rate, a solid school system, and charming park, shops, restaurants,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the kind of place where you know, neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>they knew each other, you know. It wasn't unusual for

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<v Speaker 1>families to leave their doors unlocked, even at night, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was just like a picture perfect place to raise

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<v Speaker 1>a young girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I love that when people say that

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have to lock their doors and stuff, but

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<v Speaker 2>still lock your doors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just love the door in turn that. Sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to start saying as long I can't sing

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<v Speaker 1>for shit, so but yeah. David and Jennifer made their

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<v Speaker 1>home in a cozy house that was built in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh five, just located a few blocks from the town's small,

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<v Speaker 1>charming downtown center. Together, they raised April, and David took

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<v Speaker 1>on the role of her father with dedication, forming a

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<v Speaker 1>deep bond with her as if he was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as if she was his own.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I love that. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>The family enjoyed spending times in the time and the

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<v Speaker 1>outdoors and Armada's tight knit community felts, so he offered

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of security within all this. The local kids,

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<v Speaker 1>including April, often played freely in the neighborhood, running up

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<v Speaker 1>and down the streets, riding their bikes, and parents looked

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<v Speaker 1>out for one another's children. You know, it was fine

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<v Speaker 1>to just let your kid outside and not really pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention because there was another parent around who would be watching,

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>April was a bright and joyful child, often described as

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<v Speaker 1>in her In her adult life now, her stepdad, David,

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<v Speaker 1>He began setting aside money regularly to help her achieve

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<v Speaker 2>Later on, Oh my gosh, love that so much.

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<v Speaker 1>And as she entered her teenage, April's interests began to

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<v Speaker 1>shift a bit. Like many girls her age, she became

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<v Speaker 1>those dreams for a veterinarian right she was focusing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more on makeup, spending time with her friends, social media,

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<v Speaker 1>insecurity and the complexities of attractions and as I already

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned her case boys right. So, by twenty fourteen, April

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the middle school year. At this point

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<v Speaker 1>in her life, she had been dating a boy by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Austin for over a year, and things

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be going fairly well for her. One of

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<v Speaker 1>April's favorite hobbies was, you know, staying active and keeping fit.

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<v Speaker 1>Like many teens experiencing changes in puberty, this adolescent life right,

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<v Speaker 1>she used this fitness tracker app on her iPhone that

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<v Speaker 1>her Mum and David had gifted her for Christmas, complete

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<v Speaker 1>with a little Teddy Bear phone case. As well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, okay, I love there's just like a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of innocence still because I'm like, gosh, she's

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<v Speaker 2>her little Teddy Bear phone case. Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>So she would regularly take long walks with her dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>She would alternate which dog she brought along with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically she would bring Penny because you know, they had

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<v Speaker 2>Penny was her girl, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Penny was her girl. But she'd ensured that she didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, play favorites, and she walked the other dog

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<v Speaker 1>as well too. Her usual route was the McComb County

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<v Speaker 1>Nature Trail, a well known spot in the community where

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<v Speaker 1>many people went for walks and riding bikes. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>runners going through getting their run on, And these walks

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<v Speaker 1>became a part of her routine, happening nearly every day,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least every other day. April Wood head to

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<v Speaker 1>an hour and a half, including the time it took

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<v Speaker 1>her to get there and back. With thirty minutes of

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<v Speaker 2>That's really good for her, hey, yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was Thursday, July twenty fourth, twenty fourteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>it started off as a typical summer day for April

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<v Speaker 1>and her family. She woke up around noon, as many

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<v Speaker 1>her morning chatting with friends on her phone, making plans

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<v Speaker 1>to go shopping and hang out before you know, school

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<v Speaker 1>finally resumed in the fall. For lunch, she woke up

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<v Speaker 1>and made herself a salad, and David always lightheartedly teased

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<v Speaker 1>her by calling it rabbit food. Before he eventually headed

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<v Speaker 1>off to work, he said, as usual, goodbye to April,

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing it would be a day like no other.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, I'm actually quite impressed with her though, because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like at that age people aren't necessarily that

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<v Speaker 2>like health conscious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's very health conscious. Yeah, she's got a fitness

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<v Speaker 1>app th here, very impressive. She's going for a an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and a half walk at least every other day.

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<v Speaker 1>She's ensuring that she's eating vegetables like salad. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so she's doing good, and she's she's looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>her future education as a veterinarian. Like she's got a

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<v Speaker 1>good head on her shoulder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she really does. So.

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<v Speaker 1>By late afternoon at Around five pm, April was getting

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<v Speaker 1>ready for one of her routine walks. She packed up

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<v Speaker 1>her black leather backpack with the essentials some dog treats,

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<v Speaker 1>a water bottle, and a collapsible dog bowl. Aw yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She then grabbed Penny's leash, and by five thirty she

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<v Speaker 1>and Penny were headed out the door, ready for the

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<v Speaker 1>familiar walk along the nature trail. April and her mom, Jennifer,

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<v Speaker 1>exchange a quick goodbye that afternoon. There were no lingering

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<v Speaker 1>words of affection, no final hug, just the routine expectation

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<v Speaker 1>that April will be back soon. As always. Had Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>known it would be the last time she'd ever see

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter alive, I'm sure she would have held her clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was just another day as far as they knew,

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<v Speaker 1>and April was simply stepping out for what they thought

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<v Speaker 1>regular walk.

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<v Speaker 2>She probably wouldn't have let her.

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<v Speaker 1>Go right, Probably not now. As time passed, Jennifer started

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<v Speaker 1>to notice the clock. By seven pm, she realized that

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<v Speaker 1>April hadn't returned yet. Usually, April was never out for

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<v Speaker 1>more than two hours at most, But still, Jennifer wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>too concerned. At first. She knew that sometimes April would

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<v Speaker 1>take these walks as an excuse to meet up with

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<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend Austin at the park.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Even though Jennifer was aware of this, she let

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<v Speaker 1>April think that she was being sneaky now, figuring it

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<v Speaker 1>was just harmless, the two young teens and love sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, right, nothing to worry about. So, however, something

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<v Speaker 1>began to not Jennifer's instincts. April hadn't packed a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot of food or water for Penny, which was out

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<v Speaker 1>of the ordinary for such a long walk. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a small detail, but it raised slight concern. Hoping for reassurance,

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer texted April. April was usually glued to her phone

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<v Speaker 1>and she always replied within minutes, but this time, as

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<v Speaker 1>minutes ticked by, there was no response. Once Jennifer texted again,

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<v Speaker 1>still nothing. Her concern began to grow and she tried calling,

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<v Speaker 1>but I went straight to voicemail. It wasn't like April

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<v Speaker 1>not to answer her phone, and Jennifer felt a subtle

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<v Speaker 1>unease turning into real worry. By eight pm, the concern

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<v Speaker 1>was undeniable. Jennifer texted Austin, April's boyfriend, asking if he

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<v Speaker 1>knew where April was or if they were together. Austin

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<v Speaker 1>replied that he hadn't seen or heard from April that day,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jennifer decided to call him, explaining that April was

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<v Speaker 1>help look for her. As Jennifer waited for Austin and

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<v Speaker 1>Alex to arrive, a sinking feeling was settling in her stomach.

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<v Speaker 1>Something clearly wasn't right, and she couldn't shake it. Unable

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<v Speaker 1>to sit and wait any longer, she grabbed her keys

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<v Speaker 1>and decided to drive to the trailhead herself, the place

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<v Speaker 1>where April always began her walks. She needed to find

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter, and time was ticking and Jennifer's motherly instincts

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<v Speaker 1>were screaming that something was wrong. There at the trailhead,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no sign of April or Penny when Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>reached it, and with her motor condition, navigating the trail

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<v Speaker 1>would be a little bit difficult for her, so, realizing

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<v Speaker 1>she needs to actually go out and search, she made

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<v Speaker 1>the right choice to turn back and return home and

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<v Speaker 1>wait for help from Austin and Alex. By eight thirty pm,

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<v Speaker 1>Austin and Alex showed up and the three of them

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<v Speaker 1>quickly formed a plan to search for April, but before

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<v Speaker 1>they left, Austin mentioned something unsettling. He had actually received

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<v Speaker 1>a text from April earlier that day, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>at about six twenty eight pm that Austin received a

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<v Speaker 1>text message that read quote I think I almost got kidnapped. Omfg,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is like really just heartbreaking. You're really setting

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<v Speaker 2>this up to like just destroy us? I think. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the story, it's the story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the story. It's definitely the story. But yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>it's undeniable that your heart's going to break here for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So at text like this, it wasn't something that April

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<v Speaker 1>would just send and make up. It's not like her

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. So there's dramatic, not dramatic like that. No,

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<v Speaker 1>So something is clearly wrong and they were alarmed. They

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<v Speaker 1>decided to split up cover more ground quickly. So there

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<v Speaker 1>were three possible paths April could have taken, so each

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<v Speaker 1>took one. Alex drove north, Austin took April's bike and

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<v Speaker 1>headed on the trail to the trail, and Jennifer still

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<v Speaker 1>in her car, drove further south, hoping to spot her

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<v Speaker 1>daughter somewhere along the way. As she searched, Jennifer also

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<v Speaker 1>called David, informing him that April was missing, and without hesitation,

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<v Speaker 1>he informed his boss he was leaving work and rushed

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<v Speaker 1>to help with a search. While they were scouring the area,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't long before Jennifer got a call from Austin.

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<v Speaker 1>He told her to meet him at the intersection of

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<v Speaker 1>animal control was there and that people were gathered around,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly because Penny had somehow gotten loose. Thinking Penny had

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<v Speaker 1>simply just escaped, oh, Jennifer's.

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<v Speaker 2>Grasp, Yeah, no, looking for the dog kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, Jennifer rushed to meet Austin there. When she arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>two uniform police officers were already speaking with Austin. Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>introduced herself and explained that they were looking for April.

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<v Speaker 1>But what she and Austin didn't yet realize was that

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<v Speaker 1>authorities weren't there just because Penny had gotten loose. See

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that evening, at around eight twenty pm, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six year old Matthew and his wife had been

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<v Speaker 1>They were concerned, and they decided to approach Penny, and

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, and they decided to follow, you know, hoping

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<v Speaker 1>Penny led them off the path, off the path and

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<v Speaker 1>It was there at the bottom of this ravine where

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<v Speaker 1>Penny led them that they made the horrifying discovery. Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>first saw what he thought was a mannequin in the bush,

423
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<v Speaker 1>but he quickly realized with horror that he was looking

424
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<v Speaker 1>at the partially nude body of a deceased young girl.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>The shock at it, the shock of it, left him

427
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<v Speaker 1>and his wife shaken. They ran back to the trail,

428
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:30.599
<v Speaker 1>found someone nearby, and immediately called nine to one one.

429
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<v Speaker 1>Michigan State Police were dispatched to the scene. They were

430
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<v Speaker 1>the ones speaking with Jennifer and Austin at the trailhead.

431
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<v Speaker 1>It was here that officers had the devastating task of

432
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<v Speaker 1>informing Jennifer that her daughter had been found, but she

433
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<v Speaker 1>was no longer alive.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Oh that just it makes my stomach just sick. Wow.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't imagine being in this position like that.

436
00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:57.200
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean just for like for the mom, but

437
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<v Speaker 2>for all parties involved too, Like this is just like devastating.

438
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now, I do want to clarify. In this exact instance,

439
00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:10.240
<v Speaker 1>police weren't certain it was April, right, Yeah, so they

440
00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.119
<v Speaker 1>had to go through identifying her and everything first before

441
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<v Speaker 1>you know, confirming.

442
00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:18.240
<v Speaker 2>But what and the damn dog too, like just oh

443
00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, frantically probably wanting someone to help, Like.

444
00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Penny didn't leave her.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I am not well right now, Like

446
00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I could saw very easily this hole, this whole scene

447
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:32.480
<v Speaker 2>is just yeah, it's not okay.

448
00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get into the scene where April's body was discovered.

449
00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:40.880
<v Speaker 1>It told a brutal story of what happened. Investigators noted

450
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<v Speaker 1>that the area where April was found was well off

451
00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:45.319
<v Speaker 1>the main trail, completely out of you in this ravine

452
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<v Speaker 1>and drainage ditch. It was clear she had been forced

453
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<v Speaker 1>down into the secluded spot. The condition of her body

454
00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:54.680
<v Speaker 1>revealed the violent nature of the attack. April was dressed

455
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<v Speaker 1>in gene shorts with a black stripe along sides, but

456
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<v Speaker 1>they had been pulled down to her ankles long with

457
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<v Speaker 1>her underwear. Her white tank top was torn and pulled up,

458
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<v Speaker 1>exposing her chest, and her bra had been ripped apart

459
00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:09.119
<v Speaker 1>between the cups. Her white tennis shoes were scattered near

460
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:14.559
<v Speaker 1>her remains, showing signs of the struggle. Perhaps the most

461
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:18.039
<v Speaker 1>horrifying detail was the shoe marks found on her skin,

462
00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:20.720
<v Speaker 1>on her forehead, cheeks, and neck.

463
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<v Speaker 2>What the shit? What the shit? This person's a complete

464
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<v Speaker 2>piece of shit.

465
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're not wrong. We'll get into it though, don't

466
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<v Speaker 1>you worry.

467
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know, it's just gonna get worse and worse.

468
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I'm ready for this.

469
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<v Speaker 1>So the discovery of April's murder shook this entire town

470
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<v Speaker 1>of Armada. You know, the town of two hundred, sorry,

471
00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:44.799
<v Speaker 1>two thousand people. That's this little peaceful town, little peaceful

472
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.440
<v Speaker 1>community that doesn't lock their doors at night. Yeah, they

473
00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:51.839
<v Speaker 1>were shook. They hadn't seen a murder in over forty years.

474
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

475
00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:56.279
<v Speaker 1>And the violent nature of this crime left everyone absolutely speechless.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Investigators painstakingly went over the crimes, gathering as much evidence

477
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<v Speaker 1>as possible, documenting every detail before April's body was eventually

478
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<v Speaker 1>transported to the Medical Examiner's office. Sorry, I said office,

479
00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:11.559
<v Speaker 1>really weird Medical Examiner's office.

480
00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:12.359
<v Speaker 2>It's okay.

481
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<v Speaker 1>In the early hours of July twenty fifth. The next day,

482
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.519
<v Speaker 1>Austin and his father were brought in for questioning. As

483
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<v Speaker 1>we all know, you know, the significant other is always

484
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<v Speaker 1>suspect number one.

485
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but also well, I mean, they have to do

486
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<v Speaker 2>their due diligence, but I feel like if he was involved,

487
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.680
<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't have got a text like he did from her.

488
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<v Speaker 1>You know, well potentially who knows. Well, I'm going to

489
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<v Speaker 1>touch on that here, like right now. So Austin told

490
00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>detectives that last time he's seen April was on Sunday,

491
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.920
<v Speaker 1>July twentieth. The two hadn't really been speaking much because

492
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<v Speaker 1>they'd gotten into a little bit of an argument that day,

493
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:50.440
<v Speaker 1>but he recounted the last text message he received from her,

494
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<v Speaker 1>the one that was sent at six twenty eight pm

495
00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.319
<v Speaker 1>that said I think I almost got kidnapped. Omfg. Yeah,

496
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<v Speaker 1>And when detectives pressed him and why he hadn't responded

497
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<v Speaker 1>to such an alarming text. Austin explained that he hadn't

498
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<v Speaker 1>actually seen it until much later due to poor cell

499
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<v Speaker 1>service at the time where he was.

500
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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

501
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Initially, Austin's story raised a lot of suspicions to investigators.

502
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.039
<v Speaker 1>They wondered if he could have actually sent the text

503
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<v Speaker 1>to himself from April's phone, if he was potentially responsible,

504
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.640
<v Speaker 1>oh shit, possibly trying to cover his track, showing that

505
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>she's texting him for help when really, you know, he's

506
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<v Speaker 1>the actual perpetrator, right, I.

507
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<v Speaker 2>Guess yeah, in my head, didn't really go there, but

508
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<v Speaker 2>I guess. Yeah.

509
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<v Speaker 1>However, after thorough investigation and further questioning, Austin's alibi checked out,

510
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<v Speaker 1>and he was eventually cleared of any involvement in April's death. Okay, yeah,

511
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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of information going on in the questioning

512
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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, but the sum of it, yeah, he's he's

513
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<v Speaker 1>not guilty. So it's not even necessary to go into

514
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<v Speaker 1>some of the questioning and stuff that they did.

515
00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.039
<v Speaker 2>He's in the clear clear.

516
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So, realizing that the local police force in Armada would

517
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.319
<v Speaker 1>be insufficient for this investigation because it's a very small town, right,

518
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:04.000
<v Speaker 1>fifty additional officers were called in to assist with the investigation.

519
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Fifty fifty.

520
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.079
<v Speaker 2>They were taking this shit real series.

521
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was like FBI and stuff coming in, which

522
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.519
<v Speaker 1>this is good. Yeah, it's a massive presence for this

523
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.799
<v Speaker 1>small Yeah. Now, the crime scene was corded off with tape,

524
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and authority set up a makeshift command center at the

525
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Armada Middle School to coordinate the efforts and hold the

526
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<v Speaker 1>additional fifty officers because their police station ain't holding that

527
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 1>most people, not at all. The medical examiner report soon

528
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>came in and it confirmed the brutality of the attack.

529
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<v Speaker 1>April's cause of death was blunt forced trauma to the

530
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<v Speaker 1>head and exphyxiation from neck compression.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh.

532
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:42.880
<v Speaker 1>The doctor's examination revealed that she had suffered a devastating assault,

533
00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>with bruises over her right eyelid and small hemorhaging in

534
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>both eyes inside her mouth. There were further injuries to

535
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 1>her upper lip and lower lip, and her left eye

536
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>was swollen shot. The list of injuries basically just goes on.

537
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<v Speaker 1>Her face was covered in cuts bruises, all indicating she

538
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:03.119
<v Speaker 1>endured a prolonged and violent beating. Investigators believed her head

539
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.119
<v Speaker 1>injuries were caused by a smooth blunt object, ruling out

540
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 1>something like sticks or rocks or anything. Right, So this

541
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.759
<v Speaker 1>blunt object would have been a very smooth surface.

542
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Huh. Okay, yeah.

543
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>So the extreme force using the attack, according to the

544
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 1>medical examiner, was something typical seen in severe car accidents

545
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>or falls from great heights. The staggering twenty three individuals

546
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 1>injuries found on April's head alone spoke volumes. The damage

547
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:36.160
<v Speaker 1>to her neck was equally disturbing. Bruises on her throat

548
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>showed a distinct hammerd or sorry herringbone pattern? Which were

549
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the shoe prints uh pressed into her skin?

550
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Gosh?

551
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? It indicated that the attacker likely stomped on her

552
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>face and neck and used their foot to crush her

553
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 1>windpipe and eventually suffocate her.

554
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:58.519
<v Speaker 2>What a complete piece of shit? Was? She also like

555
00:27:58.599 --> 00:27:59.720
<v Speaker 2>sexually abused.

556
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 1>We'll get there. I'm like two sentences away from that, okay.

557
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Across across the rest of her body, she had additional

558
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>fourteen areas of injury, including internal bleeding near her a

559
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:18.720
<v Speaker 1>order valve of her heart. Investigators believed the killer intended

560
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.599
<v Speaker 1>to sexually assault April due to her being found with

561
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>her clothes mostly removed. However, the attacker seemed to have

562
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>stopped short for some unknown reason, possibly perhaps someone passing

563
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 1>by on the trail interrupting the attack causing him to flee.

564
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.359
<v Speaker 2>The scene, or like she was fighting pretty hard and

565
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.119
<v Speaker 2>like ended up him killing her first or something.

566
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I don't know, potentially, and then he didn't want

567
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>to cross that that line. Yeah, but who knows. For

568
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.640
<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, the assailant stopped short of sexual assault.

569
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, Now.

570
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<v Speaker 1>The attack itself is estimated to have lasted approximately ten

571
00:28:57.279 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 1>minutes from the initial blow to her head until her

572
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>net was compressed and finally stopping her breathing.

573
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Just like ten minutes of complete hell yeah.

574
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:11.160
<v Speaker 1>And they estimate that the foot on her neck could

575
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>have been there for up to three minutes, pushing.

576
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Down on her throat totally frigg.

577
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>The estimated time of death death is placed between six

578
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>thirty pm and eight pm.

579
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's like raugh a, that's very right. It's very

580
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:29.200
<v Speaker 2>hard to digest this.

581
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot going on in this case and

582
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:37.759
<v Speaker 1>process everything that actually occurred, especially considering this being a

583
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>small town in a popular walking area during the summertime.

584
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:44.759
<v Speaker 1>It's not to say that there was a lack of

585
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.559
<v Speaker 1>people walking on this trail. There were still people walking

586
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>on this trail. Yeah, and this still occurred.

587
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:54.039
<v Speaker 2>You have to wonder too, like what he did with

588
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>the dog when this was going on. You know.

589
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, Penny is clearly of very good girl because

590
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:04.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she didn't attack the man. Maybe I don't know,

591
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.279
<v Speaker 1>she's not going to attack a person, but she still

592
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.279
<v Speaker 1>was not leaving April fide oh man.

593
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

594
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.079
<v Speaker 1>So, as the investigation ramped up, law enforcement knew that

595
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 1>they had to act swiftly on this, but unfortunately, the

596
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>investigation was turning up very few clues, with the only

597
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>real piece of physical evidence recovering from the scene being

598
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the distinct shoeprint found on April's body. No DNA was

599
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>president the site, and detectives couldn't locate several key items,

600
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>including April's phone, backpack, and Penny's leash. Most crucially, they

601
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>needed to track down her phone because they hoped that

602
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>it might provide valuable information. Detectives decided to attempt to

603
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>track her phone by pinging local cell towers. Unfortunately, they

604
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 1>only received one weak ping signal before it disappeared, likely

605
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>due to the phone being either dead or damaged. So

606
00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:59.319
<v Speaker 1>with the hope of finding the phone and other missing items,

607
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.359
<v Speaker 1>authorities or organize a team of forty people comprising of detectives,

608
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>officers and search specialists to comb through the area. Police

609
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:11.359
<v Speaker 1>dogs were brought in to assist, and one particular bloodhound

610
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.079
<v Speaker 1>named Buster played a pivotal role in the search because

611
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.519
<v Speaker 1>Buster managed to retrace april steps along the trail and

612
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 1>eventually led the officers to her phone, discarded in some

613
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>bushes about half a mile east of where her body

614
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>was found. This was a big breakthrough. Forensic experts immediately

615
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 1>began analyzing it for any sort of leads. But just

616
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>as investigators were preparing to delve and dive into the

617
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 1>phone's data, they received a tip. A local man by

618
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:46.079
<v Speaker 1>the name of Eric Rushki came forward with information that

619
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>could prove crucial to the case. Eric had been riding

620
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:51.599
<v Speaker 1>bikes on the trail with his two daughters that very

621
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.799
<v Speaker 1>same evening. He recognized April from their encounter on the

622
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>day she was killed. His daughters, aged nine and thirteen,

623
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:00.519
<v Speaker 1>had exchanged a smile and a way even a quick

624
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 1>hello with April as they walked. As she walked Penny

625
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.119
<v Speaker 1>because they actually kind of knew each other. They went

626
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:06.839
<v Speaker 1>to the same school.

627
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah from school, Yeah yeah.

628
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:13.839
<v Speaker 1>So April she was headed down the trail, focused on

629
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>her phone, and it was at around six twenty five

630
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 1>pm that he had passed her. However, what really caught

631
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Eric's attention wasn't exactly April herself. It was a man

632
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>walking alongside a motorcycle on the trail behind her. See,

633
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 1>motorized vehicles were prohibited on the path, which made the

634
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 1>presence of this bike a little bit unusual. Now, the

635
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>man wasn't riding it per se, so he's not exactly

636
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 1>doing anything wrong, but it's still unusual, right. The man,

637
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 1>still wearing the full faced helmet, had been sorry, hadn't

638
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>been riding, but it was walking alongside and Eric didn't

639
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>get a clear look at the man's face because of

640
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>his helmet, but he recalled several key details. The man

641
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>was about six feet tall, possibly two hundred pounds, wearing

642
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>long plant long pants, a black shirt, and a backpack.

643
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>As a motorcycle enthusiast himself, Eric was able to give

644
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>police a detailed description of the bike. Okay, he identified

645
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>it as a modern style street legal off road dirt bike,

646
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>blue and white in color, likely from the two thousands.

647
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.319
<v Speaker 1>He also noted that it was an enduro bike, a

648
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.240
<v Speaker 1>model known for its square headlight.

649
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's so interesting because most people would probably not

650
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 2>I recall much details, right, unless you had an interest

651
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 2>in that. So that is Yeah, that's.

652
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Good, exactly, and that makes us a very key piece

653
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>of eyewitness because this is a very specific statement he's giving.

654
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 1>He's not like, oh, he had a blue and white motorbike. Well,

655
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 1>is it Harley? Is it a street bike? Is it

656
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.039
<v Speaker 1>a dirt bike? Is it a street legal bike? Is

657
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>it not? No, he's saying it's a street legal, off

658
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>road dirt bike, very specific, very specific style, likely from

659
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 1>the two thousands, with that square headlight.

660
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because I would pass someone like that and

661
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>probably be like, my description would be like, yes, some

662
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 2>weird dude wearing a helmet pushing a bike down the trail.

663
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't be much, you know.

664
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he was able to give quite an in

665
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>depth description, which was very helpful.

666
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

667
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Now this tip connected a few dots for authorities. As

668
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned earlier, the weapon likely used in the attack

669
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>was blunt, something smooth, something like a motorcycle helmet.

670
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

671
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Now, soon after receiving Eric's tip, one of the detectives

672
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>working the case had a stroke of luck.

673
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Not a stroke oh okay, I was just like, holy shit,

674
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:30.039
<v Speaker 2>someone's had a stroke.

675
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 1>No, I just realized my pausing and cadence on that

676
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.119
<v Speaker 1>was off, that they had a stroke of luck.

677
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Sorry.

678
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Ok So, while driving back to the command center, something

679
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>unusual caught this detective's eye. There was a long driveway

680
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 1>headed up to a garage, and parked outside that garage

681
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 1>was a blue and white motorcycle matching the description Eric

682
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 1>had provided. The detective snapped a photo of the bike,

683
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.320
<v Speaker 1>jotted down the address, and quickly went back to the

684
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 1>command center to bring this information the investigation team. Investigators

685
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.320
<v Speaker 1>returned later that evening to the home and knocked in

686
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the door to ask some questions. By now, the motorcycle

687
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.280
<v Speaker 1>was gone, but a man by the name of James

688
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Muse answered the door. He told police he didn't know

689
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.960
<v Speaker 1>anything about the bike. He didn't own one, and that was.

690
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.239
<v Speaker 2>That, but one, curiously, but it was in his fucking driveway.

691
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But once it was revealed to him that this

692
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>was regarding a murder investigation, James suddenly changed his tune

693
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>and opened up a little bit more. He told authorities

694
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 1>that he didn't own that motorbike, but someone he knows does,

695
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>someone that was recently at his place dropping something off.

696
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.559
<v Speaker 1>His dealer was dropping off some weed.

697
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, why is he hiding this?

698
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Hesitant to tell police that his dealer was just dropping

699
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 1>off some weed at his house.

700
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I guess that kind of makes sense.

701
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Then totally makes sense. And why he's hiding that from authorities?

702
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I'm like, this is this is sketchy.

703
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No. He continued to tell police that his dealer

704
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 1>was someone by the name of James Van Callis. He

705
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.599
<v Speaker 1>didn't know much about the guy, but he did know

706
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.159
<v Speaker 1>the approximate area that he lived in in the township

707
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>of Wales. It was about twenty five minutes away a

708
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>couple towns over. Now this information allowed police to do

709
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a name search and they got a hit on James

710
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Van Callis, who lived at eight seven four to four

711
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Marquette Road in Goodell's, Michigan, right in the area he

712
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:31.760
<v Speaker 1>was reported to be by James Muse. Police headed to

713
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 1>the home and knocked on the door. An older man

714
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>answered the door and identified and identified himself as James

715
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 1>van Caallis. Now, police were expecting someone a bit younger

716
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.920
<v Speaker 1>from the description that was given by Eric and honestly

717
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 1>a couple other eyewitnesses that I haven't really talked about. Yeah,

718
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.599
<v Speaker 1>they were looking for someone like in their thirties, right,

719
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 1>and this man was in his sixties. His dad, Well,

720
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what they're saying. Is there another James van

721
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Callis Like, oh yeah, my son is James van Callis junior.

722
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>So at James van Kallis senior and James Mancallis junior. Now,

723
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:11.039
<v Speaker 1>James was friendly and answered all the questions. James Bencallis Junior,

724
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I should say he answered all the questions that police

725
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.760
<v Speaker 1>had for him. He even confirmed he was in the

726
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 1>area as reported, and gave a brief timeline of what

727
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 1>he was doing, starting at about five pm when he

728
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.519
<v Speaker 1>left the house and he went back for his sunglasses

729
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and went over to his brother's place and stopped at

730
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 1>the gas station. Like he gave the timeline everything. Police

731
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 1>were happy with his cooperation, but they knew they needed

732
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 1>to dig deeper into this James Van Callis Junior. In

733
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.360
<v Speaker 1>doing so, they found that the home of James van

734
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Callis Junior and Senior was in fact a grow up

735
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>for marijuana. Oh shit, a legal one mind you. Oh okay,

736
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>but still it was a grow up. Now, legally, they

737
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>were allowed to house a crop of thirty six plants maximum.

738
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Investigators used this to their advantage. This gave them an

739
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.159
<v Speaker 1>excuse to serve the property as an inspection of the

740
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.800
<v Speaker 1>grow up. What they found was an excess of thirty

741
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 1>six plants, which meant that they were illegally growing more

742
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>plants than their license allowed them to, so technically this

743
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>was now an illegal grow up. In turn, police were

744
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>able to obtain a search weren't for the property and

745
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:22.599
<v Speaker 1>dig much more deeper into the house. Now via the

746
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 1>information that James Van Callis Junior gave authorities with the

747
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.599
<v Speaker 1>initial questioning when he was cooperating, which did change, of course,

748
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>his cooperation. I meant with this information they were able

749
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 1>to find most of the clothing that James was reported

750
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 1>to have worn that day, in puting his camel pants.

751
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Now even they found his motorcycle helmet as well. Okay,

752
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 1>but the helmet contained fibers from a cloth which indicated

753
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that it had recently been cleaned meticulously okay.

754
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Which I don't feel like it's super abnormal though, it's not.

755
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Imagine on your helmet getting like a little bit streakd

756
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>some bugs on it whatever, cleaning it right, Well, I feel.

757
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Like you always, like you think of people that have

758
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 2>like motorcycles or whatever, bikes, like they spend time, like,

759
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, polishing.

760
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Taking care of it usually shit. Yeah, but it's it's

761
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>still a little bit of a red flag. It's not

762
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 1>unusual to clean your motorcycle helmet, but given that this

763
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.559
<v Speaker 1>could be the suspected.

764
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Weapon, yeah, it's still the timing is there.

765
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.039
<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit odd. Yeah, although like you say,

766
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.679
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense at the same time. Now, police were

767
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.639
<v Speaker 1>not able to find his hoodie though, or his shoes

768
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that he was wearing on the day of the attack.

769
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.599
<v Speaker 1>It seems like they had been mysteriously disappeared. Now what

770
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.199
<v Speaker 1>I should say, though, is James had actually reportedly worn

771
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.559
<v Speaker 1>a different He told police he wore a different pair

772
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.239
<v Speaker 1>of shoes, but his girlfriend thankfully was able to give

773
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>some valuable insulight insight to the authorities. She told them

774
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 1>that James had a very favorite pair of shoes that

775
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.559
<v Speaker 1>he was that were no longer in the house. Oh,

776
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.679
<v Speaker 1>and she also told police that James had been acting

777
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>strange since that night. She even found him awake at

778
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>about three am, cleaning his helmet and rubbing these favorite

779
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.199
<v Speaker 1>pair of shoes and cleaning them with rubbing alcohol, both

780
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:14.559
<v Speaker 1>of them.

781
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, Okay, that's like really weird.

782
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:18.440
<v Speaker 1>So he's cleaning is.

783
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.199
<v Speaker 2>I would be very alarmed if I woke up to

784
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>you at three in the morning's cleaning shit.

785
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, Reportedly, James was a little bit very controlling over

786
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.559
<v Speaker 1>over his girlfriend, so poor part of the house. Only

787
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.599
<v Speaker 1>only part of the house had electricity, I'm sure because

788
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>it was like most of it being fed grow up.

789
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and the other part, which they lived in,

790
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>was run by generator. That generator was only allowed to

791
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>run when he wasn't home or when he was home

792
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 1>and he turned it on. So when like he's controlling

793
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.199
<v Speaker 1>the electricity, he's controlling when she's on Facebook all these

794
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 1>sort of things. So she doesn't have much control in

795
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>this relationship sort of thing, like almost to the point

796
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>of being abusive. Well it is being abuse.

797
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's alarming, fir.

798
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 1>But she did find him at three I'm cleaning this

799
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.440
<v Speaker 1>helmet and his favorite pair of shoes, with rubbing alcohol,

800
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.599
<v Speaker 1>and since then she hadn't seen the shoes or the

801
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.159
<v Speaker 1>hoodie that he had worn that day, either the black

802
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 1>car heart hoodie which Eric had reported and other people

803
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>wearing a black shirt. So she noted that he wore

804
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.480
<v Speaker 1>these shoes all the time. They were his absolute favorites.

805
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>She even pointed to a photo of him on Facebook

806
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.880
<v Speaker 1>that showed him wearing these pair of shoes, these pair

807
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.639
<v Speaker 1>of Jordan shoes. You know, Michael Jordan' sho's right, This

808
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.159
<v Speaker 1>pair of shoes would have shared the same or similar

809
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:38.719
<v Speaker 1>herring bone pattern that was found imprinted on April's skin.

810
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, okay, huh.

811
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:43.559
<v Speaker 1>But James of course said he was wearing a different

812
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>pair of shoes that day.

813
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

814
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Now, while the search was being conducted, the information from

815
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.719
<v Speaker 1>April's phone had come back, and it was a gold

816
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>mine of information that measured April's every step. See the

817
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>fitness app that she often used while she was off

818
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.400
<v Speaker 1>on her walks was still running an April's phone during

819
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 1>the attack. Through April's fitness tracker, investigators were able to

820
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 1>uncover the exact path she had walked via the cashed

821
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.480
<v Speaker 1>GPS information on her phone. It painted a horrific picture.

822
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, oh no.

823
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Her walk started normally, you know, headed to the trail,

824
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.039
<v Speaker 1>zigzagging a bit, you know, to allow Penny to sniff

825
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.559
<v Speaker 1>and do dog things. But it's going down the trail normally,

826
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.159
<v Speaker 1>when all of a sudden, her path becomes erratic and

827
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 1>even darts off into the bush. This occurs exactly moments

828
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 1>before she texted her boyfriend that she almost got kidnapped.

829
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit.

830
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Her path then begins to return to normal for a while,

831
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 1>as she clearly made for an escape, but before long

832
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.679
<v Speaker 1>it once began once again becomes a ratic back and

833
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>forth into the bushes, stopping, starting, slow, speeds up. It's

834
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 1>clearly her running through the bush in an attack. Yeah,

835
00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 1>being being pushed down, being beaten, her maybe hide all

836
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 1>these things, going back and forth all over the place

837
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.840
<v Speaker 1>for as I mentioned, an estimated ten minutes.

838
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>That's terrifying.

839
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Then the GPS takes off down the path once again,

840
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.320
<v Speaker 1>in a straight line, going thirteen.

841
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Miles an hour, so like on a bike or something exactly.

842
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was clear that at this point April had

843
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 1>been killed and whoever had done it stole her phone

844
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 1>and took off, most likely on a well clearly on

845
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.159
<v Speaker 1>a motorized vehicle, because a human cannot go that straight,

846
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>true and fast, not even close, So they were off

847
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.360
<v Speaker 1>on a motorized vehicle, most likely the motorbike that was

848
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 1>spotted right rail. The path continued through neighborhoods and ended

849
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:49.239
<v Speaker 1>up right where the phone was eventually found though this path.

850
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Through this path, investigators were able to pull security footage

851
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.639
<v Speaker 1>from a local gas station that showed a man on

852
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>a motorbike exactly as described driving along the route exactly

853
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.320
<v Speaker 1>at the time the GPA yes showed them passing. However,

854
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.519
<v Speaker 1>the individual on the bike was too far away to

855
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>confirm any sort of identity or license plate, but it

856
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 1>did show him passing through. So we have confirmed the

857
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:17.639
<v Speaker 1>bike on camera yep, eyewitnessed bike on the path yep.

858
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.400
<v Speaker 1>And now we have someone James van Kallis Junior, who

859
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 1>is confirmed to own a similar bike.

860
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Well and doing suspicious shit and doing very much suspicious shit.

861
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So before the phone was smashed and discarded in the bushes,

862
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the path was headed in the direction of James Van

863
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Kallis's house, though it was still in the township of Armada,

864
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.639
<v Speaker 1>and he had another like twenty plus minutes to go

865
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Before he got to his house, it was headed in

866
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that general direction. Police knew that they had their man,

867
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:53.079
<v Speaker 1>and an arrest on him occurred immediately. It was on

868
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>unrelated drug charges. I mean, he was dealing illegally and

869
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.239
<v Speaker 1>the house had more plans than it was allowed, so

870
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>his arrest was pretty easy, and through some more background searches,

871
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>police actually found that James Vankallis Senior was a registered

872
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.199
<v Speaker 1>sex offender convicted of having sex with the persons of

873
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 1>under the age of thirteen. Oh my gosh, Okay, it

874
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.960
<v Speaker 1>seems that James Vancallis Junior may very well be a

875
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 1>lot like his father. In fact, James even made a

876
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 1>comment to police during his arrest that he learned everything

877
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 1>he knew from his father.

878
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this is really disturbing.

879
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.480
<v Speaker 1>James van Kalis Junior also had a criminal record in

880
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.320
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five. In two thousand and six, he

881
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:36.000
<v Speaker 1>was charged with breaking and entering and failing to pay

882
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 1>child support. Yeah he's a father. In the courtroom after

883
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:43.639
<v Speaker 1>a preliminary hearing, James van Kallis Junior, thirty four years old,

884
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>was charged with a long list of unrelated crimes, but

885
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:53.760
<v Speaker 1>most importantly, the first degree murder of April millsap James

886
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:57.079
<v Speaker 1>insisted he was innocent, and during his trial, as his

887
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.840
<v Speaker 1>defense attorney pointed out, there's no DNA evidence at the

888
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:03.920
<v Speaker 1>crime scene or in April's body linking him to the

889
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:04.760
<v Speaker 1>vicious murder.

890
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised there wouldn't be any, Hay, Yeah, I think

891
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:08.519
<v Speaker 2>that seems surprising to me.

892
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 1>There's no DNA, there's no hair, no fibers, nothing, which

893
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 1>is very much so true. In fact, investigators never found

894
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the shoes that made the imprint on April's neck either.

895
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:25.519
<v Speaker 1>All they had was circumstantial evidence and some witnesses. In fact,

896
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned earlier, there were other witnesses that came forward,

897
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and there is one witness that I have yet to

898
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 1>tell you about who also saw the man on the

899
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:35.480
<v Speaker 1>motorcycle on the path near April that day, and she

900
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:39.119
<v Speaker 1>claims that she was one hundred percent sure that James

901
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.360
<v Speaker 1>was the man that she saw. Okay, but also James's girlfriend,

902
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>her witness and testimony to the police played a very

903
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.239
<v Speaker 1>big part in this case. She told authorities about the

904
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 1>cleaning of the helmet and the shoes that he owned. Yes,

905
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.559
<v Speaker 1>she pointed to Facebook photos of proof that he previously

906
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>owned those shoes, because there is photos of him like

907
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:04.280
<v Speaker 1>showing off these shoes, wearing them, you name it. Ok,

908
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.159
<v Speaker 1>but these shoes could just simply no longer be found.

909
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 2>They just disappeared.

910
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:12.079
<v Speaker 1>They just disappeared. She even remembered him getting her to

911
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.880
<v Speaker 1>do his laundry and she found a clump of hair

912
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and leaves in the pocket of the hoodie.

913
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh.

914
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:24.840
<v Speaker 1>When she found it, she was shocked and didn't know

915
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:26.719
<v Speaker 1>what to think of it. Yeah, and she placed the

916
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:29.360
<v Speaker 1>hair on the edge of the sink, not knowing what

917
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 1>to do. It too had vanished by morning.

918
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, gosh, Oh my goodness.

919
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 1>After a two and a half week trial, the jury

920
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.840
<v Speaker 1>reached a verdict and found James Van Callis Junior guilty

921
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 1>on all counts, including the murder first dree murder of

922
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:51.480
<v Speaker 1>April Milsap. James Van Callis Junior received a sentence of

923
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:58.679
<v Speaker 1>life without parole and is sitting behind bars today. Huh okay,

924
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:00.760
<v Speaker 1>And that's the story of April.

925
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow, wow, wow, wow. That story is just like heartbreaking

926
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.639
<v Speaker 2>to me, isn't it? Holy shit? Because like I was,

927
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I loved April, Like she just seemed like she was

928
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.960
<v Speaker 2>just the sweetest and had so much potential and stuff,

929
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 2>and like this just doesn't make any sense.

930
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.599
<v Speaker 1>I know. And it's like their family just seems so

931
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>fucking perfect too, like her stepfather who took on the

932
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.119
<v Speaker 1>role of father. So I'm going to cut out stepfather.

933
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Her father saving for her, you know, her college education,

934
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 1>and she she's quite young still, she's got several years ago,

935
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.280
<v Speaker 1>but he's making sure he's saving.

936
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.679
<v Speaker 2>He knows that she's, you know, going to do things

937
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:40.599
<v Speaker 2>exactly like he's starting to prepare.

938
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>And her mother just knowing that she's off in the

939
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:48.519
<v Speaker 1>park with her boyfriend, but letting her go off beh

940
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and knowing that she's been gone too long for the

941
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.159
<v Speaker 1>amount of water and treats she took to give Penny

942
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>along the way.

943
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to wonder if like she was just

944
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:04.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time,

945
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Speaker 2>or if this because like she did this regularly so,

946
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:12.400
<v Speaker 2>or if he was like knew of this and her

947
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.400
<v Speaker 2>and you know, had planned this to some extent.

948
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Their authorities were unable to draw any direct link between

949
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:20.840
<v Speaker 1>the two. I think I believe the only link that

950
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.559
<v Speaker 1>they were able to draw was now, I don't have

951
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.320
<v Speaker 1>this written down, so I could have this information a

952
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 1>little bit incorrect, but I'll clarify what I do and

953
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 1>do not know that James Vankalis Junior his kid or

954
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:36.559
<v Speaker 1>or cousin or that's the part. I don't know the

955
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.159
<v Speaker 1>relation of this child. But he was related to a

956
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.440
<v Speaker 1>child that went to the same school as April. That's

957
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the only link they were able to find, Okay, but

958
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.960
<v Speaker 1>it was a link that proved insufficient for them to

959
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:50.760
<v Speaker 1>know each other or know of each other.

960
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so it could even just spend like they

961
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.039
<v Speaker 2>crossed pass and he's like a terrible person.

962
00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:59.639
<v Speaker 1>That is most likely what it is. It's just a

963
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.760
<v Speaker 1>uh spur of the moment to spur the moment decision

964
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.920
<v Speaker 1>that James van Callis did no.

965
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:12.880
<v Speaker 2>See, that's that's kind of stuff I find just like terrifying.

966
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Like you're just like living your life and something this

967
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:17.159
<v Speaker 2>bad just happens.

968
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:19.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, you just happened to be in the wrong place,

969
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:23.000
<v Speaker 1>wrong time, and someone decides to take advantage or do

970
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:24.000
<v Speaker 1>something horrible.

971
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and that just makes me like, gosh, how

972
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.239
<v Speaker 2>can stuff like how can that happen? Like how can

973
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 2>that that just happened to someone with like so much light, you.

974
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah. Now, there were some interviews and stuff I watched,

975
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.599
<v Speaker 1>like news interviews with like the family and and people

976
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 1>that went to school with April in the town and everything,

977
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 1>and uh, during the search for James Van Callis Junior

978
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.159
<v Speaker 1>and trying to find who did this and everything, the

979
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 1>town was like putting pink ribbons all over the town

980
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 1>and everything in in memorial of April, of course. But

981
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 1>one of the girls that went to school with April

982
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.159
<v Speaker 1>and and the mother as well, they're talking about how

983
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Speaker 1>these pink ribbons were not only like in memory of April,

984
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:10.519
<v Speaker 1>but it was also of we hope that whoever did

985
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:15.559
<v Speaker 1>this sees these ribbons and knows that we're looking for them.

986
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 1>And it's just like this fucking town's just their heart's breaking.

987
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And they're not only their heart's breaking for April, but

988
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.159
<v Speaker 1>they're like, you fucking better watch out because we're fucking

989
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:26.840
<v Speaker 1>coming for you.

990
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna get you.

991
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like that's a place to live, honestly.

992
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no shit. So yeah, but you struggled with this

993
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 2>case a little, didn't you.

994
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:43.679
<v Speaker 1>I did, Because don't get me wrong, I do believe

995
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:48.840
<v Speaker 1>James Van Callis Junior is the individual who perpetrated this

996
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 1>crime one hundred percent, But during research I felt like

997
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I was missing a key part of the story because

998
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:03.679
<v Speaker 1>the arrest and conviction came on circumstantial evidence, and I

999
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:08.800
<v Speaker 1>feel like I don't know how the court was able

1000
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.679
<v Speaker 1>to get him on that evidence. It doesn't seem sufficient

1001
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:16.880
<v Speaker 1>enough to make that arrest and conviction. They don't have

1002
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 1>anything technically linking him to the crime. Because what if

1003
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:27.159
<v Speaker 1>there is someone out there, another couple towns over with

1004
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a similar bike, yeah, who wore a black shirt and

1005
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.400
<v Speaker 1>happened to be a shoe enthusiast like James was. Because

1006
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 1>James owned like a lot of shoes, hence why his

1007
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.079
<v Speaker 1>favorite pairs were these Jordans and stuff. So what if

1008
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:43.800
<v Speaker 1>this person had a similar bike, owned similar shoes, and

1009
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 1>wore a black shirt that day. That's all it would

1010
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:51.639
<v Speaker 1>take for it to be a different person. Right now,

1011
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's the case. I'm like, ninety nine

1012
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:58.199
<v Speaker 1>point nine percent sure it's James Vancalis Junior, But there

1013
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.639
<v Speaker 1>is that one percent, and I'm surprised that the jury

1014
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:05.039
<v Speaker 1>and the courtroom were able to convict them with their

1015
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:06.360
<v Speaker 1>being room for doubt.

1016
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, like the witnesses though too right, like

1017
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:13.199
<v Speaker 2>the girlfriend and stuff, like he was doing some pretty

1018
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>sketchy things.

1019
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Really he was. But again the girlfriend says, there's a

1020
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:21.280
<v Speaker 1>clump of hair, wears his clump of hair. Yeah, the

1021
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend says, he was cleaning his helmet and shoes with

1022
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:27.840
<v Speaker 1>rubbing alcohol. As we already talked about. It's not abnormal

1023
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.400
<v Speaker 1>to clean your most fatal health.

1024
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 2>In the morning, and shit, yeah, like I don't know.

1025
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Now, Yeah, of course, the shoes would be the biggest

1026
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:38.239
<v Speaker 1>thing that could link this whole crime together. Can't find them,

1027
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 1>so there.

1028
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Probably would have been like something on those.

1029
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Shoes most likely, and even if there wasn't, those shoes

1030
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:48.639
<v Speaker 1>would match the herring bone pattern. That would be enough,

1031
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:53.159
<v Speaker 1>I believe, to actually connect this crime. But you can't

1032
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:54.960
<v Speaker 1>find the shoes to connect it. All you can find

1033
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:58.320
<v Speaker 1>is a photo, and that photo of him wearing them

1034
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:00.480
<v Speaker 1>says maybe hm hmm.

1035
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.760
<v Speaker 2>But I mean he knew this stuff, right, he knew this,

1036
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.079
<v Speaker 2>and like he got rid of this stuff he did

1037
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.920
<v Speaker 2>intentionally he did. But yeah, I know, I see, I

1038
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:09.760
<v Speaker 2>see what you're saying.

1039
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.519
<v Speaker 1>So I do believe he did it. I one hundred

1040
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.400
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine point nine percent sure he did it. But

1041
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:21.280
<v Speaker 1>there's room for doubt, and that room for doubt made

1042
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:23.119
<v Speaker 1>this very difficult for me to research and put the

1043
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:27.039
<v Speaker 1>story together because I felt like there's something missing. Yeah, story,

1044
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:29.440
<v Speaker 1>but that's all the information we have.

1045
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:33.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, it's there, like there's a tiny bit

1046
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.719
<v Speaker 2>of room, I guess, because like you said, someone else

1047
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.920
<v Speaker 2>would be very much so described this way as well, right,

1048
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 2>and like people have similar shoes and yeah.

1049
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:45.039
<v Speaker 1>All it takes is for someone to have a similar motorcycle,

1050
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:48.800
<v Speaker 1>a similar pair of shoes, and to be in the area.

1051
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:49.960
<v Speaker 1>That's all it makes.

1052
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Also, though James does seem like he's a terrible person.

1053
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh he is, aless, he is a terrible person regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yeah, uh jeez, that is just that is heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a heartbreaking story.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so hopefully you guys, hopefully you're able to

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<v Speaker 1>get through this one. It is tough. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know what your guys' thoughts are on the circumstantial

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<v Speaker 1>evidence and the arrest and conviction. Clearly, it was strong

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<v Speaker 1>enough for the courts to do it, because they did,

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to know your guys' thoughts on the

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<v Speaker 1>court making that decision with the circumstantial evidence versus you know,

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<v Speaker 1>concrete evidence, so shoot us a message or an email

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<v Speaker 1>or something let us know your thoughts. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to check out all our links, they're in the description

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast. We got Patreon, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, where

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually go and check out the event where

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<v Speaker 1>we are doing our murder mystery here coming up this month,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Halloween Week is on its way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>We are excited, so thank you for being here and

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<v Speaker 1>until Friday, because we are back in our full schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>We are done our vacation slash recovering from being super sick,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll see you on Friday, and until then, stay wicked.