WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:02.120 Baby, you're my game statue. 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:04.200 It takes a lot of tangle. 3 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.799 You don't want mess with me. Mess with me, baby, 4 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:09.199 you're a gangstato. 5 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:16.879 Ohuch, baby, you're a game statoo. 6 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:24.440 For Good Warner. 7 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.399 This podcast is designed to take you outside of your 8 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:31.239 comfort zone and make you question reality. Listening discretion is 9 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:31.879 a vibe. 10 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:39.520 With the fellas. 11 00:00:41.600 --> 00:01:04.040 This ain't my first time at the rodeos mm hmmm. 12 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:27.879 I got j j Vance not the president, and I 13 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.439 got Julia cosmic peach with us and we are continuing 14 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:35.640 the Adolfo Constanzo Part two. That was a topic that 15 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:40.000 Julia had brought to us, and we brought JJ on figuring, 16 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.519 you know, we can continue with it. And again Julia 17 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:45.280 has more of her you know, notes and information that 18 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:48.439 she was going to cover and Lisa had had a 19 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.359 bunch of stuff and notes prior and she added more. 20 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:53.519 So now we kind of have both their takes on 21 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:56.239 this and what JJ has to add as well. So 22 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:59.560 thank you all for bringing bringing all your brains together tonight. 23 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.159 This should be fun and exciting. And then real quick 24 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.280 we will go around the circle and everybody can introduce themselves. Lisa, 25 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.240 real quick, let everybody know what's up and how are 26 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:09.439 you and anything you. 27 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:09.879 Want to block? 28 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:12.960 I am well, I'm very excited to do part two 29 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:17.560 with Julie and JJ. They I think are some of 30 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.000 the best minds when it comes to true crime. They 31 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.800 can pivot anywhere, and they have like this well of information. 32 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:28.199 So love, love love doing this stuff with them. Nothing 33 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.039 to plug just Twitter, so LESE Lisa on Twitter. But 34 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:34.199 definitely check out some of our contributors to a cult 35 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:35.759 research Institute dot org. 36 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:40.840 And that's me, Thank you very much, and JJ, what 37 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:42.639 is up my man? Let everybody know where they can 38 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:43.599 find all your amazing work. 39 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:50.199 JJ Vance, host of Operations GCD, not the vice president Nick. 40 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.319 I appreciate the invite, Lisa, appreciate the kind words and 41 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:56.599 always great to join you for a conversation. Julie, I 42 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:00.599 apologize I missed a round one of this adult casts 43 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:02.039 a business because it's certainly interesting. 44 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:03.759 It was on the I was on the IR for 45 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.280 that episode, but I was definitely tuning in. 46 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.039 I'll never forgive you, but I'm so happy you're here 47 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:10.120 for part two. 48 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:14.680 Listen. Thank you very much, JJ. And and finally, last 49 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:17.479 but out least, a new edition of The Occult Rejects. 50 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.280 We got Julia, Cosmic Peach, what is up? Please let 51 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:22.560 everybody know what is up with you and where they 52 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:23.960 can find all your amazing content. 53 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:25.400 Thanks. 54 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.280 You know, I'm actually excited that we took a pause 55 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:31.319 uh dur part one and two because we had that 56 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:36.000 guest on that talked about uh, that vampire priestess lady 57 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:37.240 and it's. 58 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.599 What was so similar to this one, wasn't it? 59 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:43.599 Guys? Like it was kind of like like a blueprint 60 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.719 almost for for the weird Adolpho stuff. 61 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.120 So summing it up today should be interesting. 62 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:54.120 But yeah, I'm I'm in a cult reject part time, 63 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:59.120 Cosmic Peach full time, and if you haven't found me. 64 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.120 Yet, you never would ill. But I'm all over the 65 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:05.199 place wherever you listen to podcasts and once a week 66 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.120 on the Cult of Conspiracy every now and again with 67 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:11.039 Nick and the Occult Rejects. So I'm honored to be here. 68 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.800 I always love working with JJ and Lisa because we're 69 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:15.680 the dream team. 70 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:16.319 I feel. 71 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:20.839 I like that, I really do. Yeah, hell yeah, and 72 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:23.519 yeah for people who really don't know who Juliet is, 73 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:25.279 I will say too, like, go check out a show. 74 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:26.959 A lot of it is solo and it's well produced, 75 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.079 he's got music in the background. It's it's it's an 76 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.560 impressive show. Doing a show by yourself. JJ can even 77 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:36.000 tell you it's fucking hard. I can say it for myself. 78 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:39.279 It is not easy, believe it or not, doing a 79 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.360 show by yourself. So I get to go some credit, 80 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.319 go check out the stuff. It's really good. So thank you, yes, 81 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:47.120 and uh yeah, take it away. 82 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.600 Julia, Well, do you kind of remember where we left 83 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:52.800 off last time? I have it in my notes here 84 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:54.839 that we talked about how. 85 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:58.199 He was. 86 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:05.360 Assumed dead because they found two bodies that really couldn't 87 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:09.879 be properly identified in that apartment building, and then he 88 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:14.040 was His corpse and his boyfriend's corpse were flown back 89 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:18.399 to Miami and immediately cremated, so there was no future 90 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:23.839 like autopsies or any type of identification of the corpses. 91 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:29.480 But they were later spotted Adolpho and his boyfriend somewhere. 92 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:34.560 It was in Mexico, but there were several witnesses who 93 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.839 said they saw them after they had supposedly died. So 94 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:43.399 in my opinion, they were definitely being protected from on 95 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:51.240 high in some capacity because they knew a lot of 96 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:55.720 officials like JJ could probably tell you better than me. 97 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.000 But he was involved with cartels, but he was also 98 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:01.600 involved with like government officials, and. 99 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.360 So I don't think that they were necessarily done with him. 100 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:07.519 He was pretty. 101 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.920 Useful, and I don't think I think that they just 102 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:14.079 needed the public to think that they got the bad 103 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:20.079 guy without really getting the bad guy. But JJ was 104 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.920 kind of talking about some stuff before we started recording, 105 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.040 and I think it would kind of tie in nicely 106 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:28.759 to this section of my notes if you want to 107 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:29.560 take it from here. 108 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:33.120 Sure, Now that's my thoughts exactly. 109 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.480 They're Julia the when I these details surrounding his deaths 110 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:38.720 are just as murky as the details surrounding this man's 111 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:39.800 origin story in birth. 112 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.000 But I think you're spot on. There was saying that 113 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:44.800 they weren't done with this guy yet he was a 114 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.800 very effective operative whoever was running them. 115 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.839 So you know, in the you know, we were discussing 116 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.839 beforehand that some folks have kind of run with some 117 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.519 of these details that of this culton doing some more 118 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:57.560 research over the years. 119 00:06:58.079 --> 00:06:59.879 There were some college professor. 120 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.560 That wrote a series on medium dot com called the 121 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:06.959 Occultists El Padrino, and it's uh goes over a lot 122 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:09.879 of these additional kind of parapolitical details you're laying out 123 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:14.800 there are describing, including apparently the chief of Enterpol was 124 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:19.079 his friend or client has described in varying capacities, the 125 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:23.079 chief of inter Poll for Mexico, and this fella apparently 126 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.439 introduced Costanzo to one Mexican drug cartel leader who would 127 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:32.120 later meet his demise. He after Costanzo infiltrated his organization, 128 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:36.519 becoming like the chief Wizard, if you will, And then 129 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:40.040 after that guy dies, the Hernandez cartel there where she 130 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.519 infiltrates in Matta Moros, their leader just happens to die 131 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.480 at right about the same time, and then Castanzo somehow 132 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.639 gets integrated into that network I'm presumably by the same 133 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.759 Interpol chief who would later then commit suicide. 134 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.480 Apparently at the same time. 135 00:07:55.800 --> 00:08:05.800 Suicide exactly shot himself or something. Yeah, Oh my gosh. 136 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:07.519 I don't know if you guys had ever heard me 137 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.000 talk about this guy named Henry Marshall, but the way 138 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.920 that he got suicided, oh my god, dude, it was. 139 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:16.639 It was uh Lyndon B. 140 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.600 Johnson, and he hired this hit man to take this 141 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:25.680 guy out that committed suicide, and he blasted himself in 142 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.759 the chest five times with his shotgun, and just for 143 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:32.360 good measure, he also put a chloroform rag over his 144 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.440 face and he was ruled a suicide. How the fuck 145 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.919 do you put a chloroform rag over your face, load 146 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:44.000 and blast a shotgun into your chest five separate times, 147 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.759 and still it's suicide? I think, like after the first 148 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:51.960 two shots in the chest, blasting yourself in the chest, 149 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:54.919 I mean, it's just like it's like JJ saying, the 150 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.639 the higher up you go, the more political it is, 151 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:00.759 the more ridiculous a suiticides are. 152 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.480 And uh, I don't know, It's just how do you 153 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.159 blast yourself in the chest five times with the shotgun? 154 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:07.480 Dude? 155 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:08.759 Suicide? 156 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:10.480 I mean, don't call me a detective, but I think 157 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.519 if chloroform kind of pops up, I would start to 158 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:14.879 think it wasn't a suicide. 159 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:24.200 And yeah, blow your chest out five times in the process. 160 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:26.480 Yeah I'm knocking myself out, but still pulling the trigger 161 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:28.360 for five times. 162 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:31.679 Talk about an extra hand. He would need an extra. 163 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:36.480 Hand, I think, And wouldn't it be like, how do 164 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:37.840 you It's like Kurt Cobain. 165 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:39.600 They said he would have had to pull the shotgun 166 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.120 with his foot and he had a shoe on, so 167 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.200 it's like, how did he It's just always it never 168 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:49.799 makes sense that somebody obviously was standing far away too 169 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:54.080 because of like the blowout. His chest like literally exploded. 170 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.279 So I mean, come on, guys, anyway, sorry to interrupt you, JJ. 171 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.039 It's just when I hear suicide, that's I think of 172 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:03.320 as like, yeah, okay. 173 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:05.080 You're good. 174 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.360 Now you're good, Julian, Now, I mean you're It is 175 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.679 these politics that weigh in on these these uh, these 176 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.039 death investigations that make these ridiculous declarations. 177 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:14.720 They're right, oh. 178 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:18.799 One hundred one hundred one of the you talked about 179 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:23.200 the Inn Bowl guy, so apparently yes, like he it 180 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:27.240 was it was around I believe September of nineteen eighty 181 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:32.039 eight when his name was Florentino Ventura with theaters. 182 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.320 Maybe I think that was his awesome and he supposedly 183 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.759 commits suicide, but they had alleged to that. Costanzo at 184 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.399 this point is like doing all these scams. Not only 185 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.840 was he scamming a whole bunch of people prior to 186 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.559 being introduced to the Gosada family out of Wallajara, but 187 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:53.360 he like now finds a new victim, which is the 188 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:57.000 Ernandez family and he's running scams on them, and some 189 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:59.840 of the scams that he's running on the Ernand's family 190 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.159 is just so over the top that you almost wonder 191 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:07.600 that he had to if at any point Ventura had 192 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.360 to be like I'm out, like I'm out of this, 193 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.399 like this is and so if that's the case. But 194 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.840 one the other thing is that he also had killed 195 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:21.159 his wife and his supposed friend Ventura did in Mexico City. 196 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.320 So it seemed like there were two chapters right of 197 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.159 this cult that one was in Mexico City and then 198 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.159 the other one was in Matamoros, which are you know, 199 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:34.200 many many hours away from each other. And he was 200 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.600 always going back and forth, which I thought was very 201 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:40.080 interesting that he would, you know, do whatever he was 202 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:42.639 doing and then go back down to Mexico City because 203 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:44.440 Mexico City, I think was his own base. And like 204 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:48.440 what you had said with Costanza, he was he was 205 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:51.960 born in Miami and some I think some circles say 206 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:53.799 that he was born in Cuba and he was brought in, 207 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.320 but I don't, I don't have any credence to that. 208 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:00.080 But his mom was like only fifteen years old and 209 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.720 she had him, So you almost kind of wonder if 210 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.759 this was like a prostitution thing or what. But she 211 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.279 gives birth to him in Miami, and then she goes 212 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.879 on to give birth to two other brother or children, 213 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.679 their siblings of Castanza, and they all have different fathers, 214 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.679 so it's like three different fathers. She're almost just like, 215 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:23.679 oh wow, that's interesting. And then this is at a 216 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:26.440 time in the sixties when you know, conservativism is at 217 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.840 his high, you know, very Catholic area of Miami, right 218 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.519 you're having a whole bunch of influxes from the Caribbean. 219 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.240 But then you're having all these other type of influxes 220 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.919 of religion with Santaria who do who do you have 221 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.960 follow which is what we'll talk about today. But the 222 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.720 other thing is that she goes, and I think we 223 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.120 covered this in the previous one. She goes and gets 224 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:54.679 him baptized by a priest in Batto Mayombe, and immediately, 225 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:56.639 you know, they prop him up as this you know, 226 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.960 he's the chosen one. And then I think she runs 227 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.799 into I guess problems a husband or something. And then 228 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.840 they moved to Puerto Rico or what have you. And 229 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:10.559 so in Puerto Rico she signed him up to have 230 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:15.039 like magical instruction by some of the priestesses. 231 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:16.360 They're in. 232 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:21.480 Puerto Rico, and so, I mean, I'm that's kind of 233 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.559 the height of somebody at that point was you know, 234 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:27.360 during that time. So it's interesting. And then they come 235 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:31.360 back and he's, you know, ready, he's he's gonna, you 236 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.799 know whatever. And she was apparently his mom was practicing 237 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.600 a lot of black magic. Every place that they lived 238 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:41.840 was always tainted in blood or had a bunch of 239 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.039 animal carcasses lying around. If she got into a tift 240 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.519 with like a neighbor, she would give them just so 241 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.879 you know, benevolence of her, like animal carcasses like goats 242 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:55.159 and chickens without a head on the front doorstep, such 243 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.279 a you know, like good neighbor. 244 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:01.120 I wonder why your fucking apartment smell like, oh, I'm 245 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:01.879 sure it was not me. 246 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:06.360 God, So did the brothers boil people and do all 247 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:10.159 this shit too, or it's just a dolpho I don't know, 248 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.000 And the mom's clearly unhid what happened. 249 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:14.799 That's pretty interesting. 250 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:17.919 Yeah, what happened to the brothers. 251 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.480 Maybe they maybe she chopped him up Dahmer's style and 252 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.159 fed them to the neighbors. 253 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.039 Because it really it seemed like the only one she 254 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.679 was really interested in was a Dolpho, like that was 255 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:30.240 her golden child. 256 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:32.600 That's Hispanic mothers for you. I don't know if that's 257 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:35.639 true of all other mothers, but Hispanic mothers their first born, 258 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.480 firstborn son. Let me correct myself on that is like 259 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:44.480 they're shining, you know, beacon of the family. So maybe 260 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:49.039 that that probably played into that as well. So you know, 261 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:51.320 he not to recap, but just to kind of go 262 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.000 back over it. So they go back to Miami. He's 263 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:58.039 cruising the gay bars. He's also practicing. He's taken in 264 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.840 with this priest that had baptized him, and the priest 265 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.639 is teaching him how to grave rob for body parts 266 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:08.559 to start, you know, like his cauldron or like his 267 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:10.519 type of practice and showing him how to do it 268 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:14.159 and how to do you know, the different types of 269 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:16.960 rituals or what have you. And then somewhere I think 270 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.159 in like his late twenties, no sorry, early twenties, he 271 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:23.960 leaves to Mexico City for a modeling gig, but he's 272 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:27.519 spending a lot of time in like infamous prostitution houses 273 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.320 there in Mexico City, and he starts doing the whole 274 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:33.399 time being and what have you, and apparently like his 275 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:38.759 magical reputation gains him notoriety and popularity among people that 276 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:41.399 he starts building up a client tele and at some 277 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.639 point he has a ledger of like all the clients 278 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.440 he had, what they were asking for, how much he 279 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.440 was charging, how much they had paid already. I think 280 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.879 I told Nick there was like thirty one high pain 281 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.240 like VIP type clients and that some of them had 282 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.799 paid like forty thousand dollars for some types of services. 283 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:04.279 So I mean, it's almost interesting. And some of these 284 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.360 people were, like Jaya said, law in high ranking law enforcement. 285 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.919 A lot of them were heads of cartels. And so 286 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.919 you almost wonder when he gets in with the Golsava family. 287 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.399 You almost wonder because right at the time, you had 288 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:21.480 a Gonzala family, and you have that on this family 289 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:25.159 you're starting this is like in the eighties. You're starting 290 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:28.799 to hear the rumblings of the US wanting to go 291 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:32.080 back into Mexico and re establish that whole drug market, 292 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.360 and you have the influence of Lazettas towards the middle 293 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:39.240 or end of the eighties. So that's right, prime, they're 294 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.639 gaining intel about all the cartels going on in Mexico 295 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:45.519 and what have you. So, I mean, I don't know. 296 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:47.080 That's kind of my theory on that. 297 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.240 Do you think that they were helping him though, because 298 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:55.720 a lot of them thought that he was magical, and 299 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.039 it's almost like whatever they were asking for, he had 300 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.039 help in like fulfilling their desires. 301 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:06.319 Right, So he ran a lot of scams from what 302 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.640 it seemed so like, let me think how to how 303 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:14.160 to briefly say all this. So he he's running a 304 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:16.359 lot of schemes or running a lot of scams, and 305 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:20.279 you don't really start to see the scams until the 306 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:26.720 Golsada family and they start staging. He starts telling them 307 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:30.759 that he can provide protection for them to be invisible 308 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.160 or bulletproof or what have you. Right, But somehow none 309 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.880 of the charges ever stick on these, you know, people 310 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.559 that get arrested or what have you. And then during 311 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:44.720 this time you're also getting you know, the war on 312 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.720 drugs up north, and what Mexico did as part of 313 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:50.559 the war on drugs is that they would go to 314 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:55.279 the border and they would sweep for Rando's type drug 315 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.759 smugglers and anyone that was part of the main families 316 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:02.480 of the drug carts. Else like remained unscathed. They were 317 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.440 crossing uninhibited, So it's almost like they were taking out 318 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:11.200 the competition for the prominent drug families in Mexico. So 319 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.400 you almost wonder if like working in tandem, you know 320 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:14.799 what I mean. 321 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:18.119 Yeah, he's such. 322 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.000 A so I guess this would be a good time 323 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.400 to bring this up because it's my next little part 324 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.480 of my notes. But he kind of like opened up 325 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:31.839 a can of worms because after he went it went 326 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:35.119 public about what they found out there at the ranch, 327 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:44.240 they started all these separate investigations into other cults and 328 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:53.160 ranches in the area because everybody was highly disturbed obviously because. 329 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:53.880 Of what they found. 330 00:18:54.240 --> 00:19:00.240 I'm talking mutilated bodies, you know, cauldrons full of bows 331 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:08.839 and stuff like this, And the police started investigating families 332 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:14.559 who were connected with Adolpho in some way or who 333 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.599 were kind of like followers of his, but didn't actually 334 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:21.920 commit any of the crimes. Because if you don't, if 335 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:26.440 you don't have like evidence tying people to the crimes directly, 336 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.079 they're not going to go to jail. But you can 337 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:31.680 still kind of like question them and like see what 338 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:34.640 he was up to. And it reminds me kind of 339 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.559 like with with Charles Manson, because you would have thought 340 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.480 they would have arrested everybody who lived on spawn ranch, 341 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:44.440 but they didn't. You know, there were only certain family 342 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:48.880 members that actually got arrested and actually got charged. 343 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.279 So yeah, well, the that's a good point, that's a 344 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:57.079 good if. I'm sorry, I was just saying if I'm 345 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:59.839 going to give you a well follow up on that Manson. 346 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:01.480 I mean, I was thinking the same thing there, Julia, 347 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:03.839 And it is it is interesting who they don't arrest. 348 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:06.359 And when you were commenting on they follow some of 349 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:08.079 the cult members around to see what, you know, see 350 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:10.039 what they're up to. I wonder if that was just 351 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:12.599 to see what they knew because from the from the 352 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:14.720 black male oposi, this guy was running. 353 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:15.720 In some sort of male processes. 354 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.000 That sounds like whatever his relations with was the up 355 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:21.240 with the up rushland of the drug trade there in Mexico. 356 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:25.039 It sounds like he was an operator for somebody, right. 357 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:29.200 But it's like Charles Manson like taking him him and 358 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:32.440 like a few other people and they go to jail 359 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:35.759 or they're dead, right, They get taken care of it 360 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:41.599 and then there's like swaths of followers that nothing happens to, right, 361 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:43.440 you know, they just get to go about and live 362 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:44.559 the rest of their life. 363 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:46.839 But Lisa, what were you going to say? 364 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.519 So then at the height of it, they said there 365 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.039 was like a total between ten to fifteen members in 366 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:55.640 the cult, yet they only arrested three. There. 367 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.519 See, that's what I'm talking about, and that's it. 368 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.759 Others claim that they die or they had defected or 369 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:04.279 what have you. But when you look at the property 370 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:10.200 where the shrine, their ritual shrine was in Montemodos, the 371 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:14.480 owner was the grandfather of the Ernandez cartel. He no 372 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:16.039 charges ever came against. 373 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.920 Him, but why not, dude? 374 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:23.680 Right, yet he was performing magical ritual ceremony services for 375 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:29.480 the family, So surely they're they're pain right, They're they're 376 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:30.920 in on it, hey. 377 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.279 And it's it's like saying, uh, you know, I get 378 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:35.279 it to an extent. 379 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:40.079 If you were renting somebody an apartment and Jeffrey Dahmer 380 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:43.039 happened to live in that apartment, why does the landlord 381 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:43.599 go to jail. 382 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:45.400 It's not like he had anything to do with it. 383 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:49.359 But in this case it's different because he is connected, 384 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:52.680 Like this guy the Hernandez guy is connected to Adolpho 385 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:56.839 and definitely probably was taking some type. 386 00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:58.839 Of part in what they were doing out there. 387 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:02.200 Absolutely because so to kind of get into a little 388 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.680 bit of the magical services that he was providing. So 389 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:12.119 in what I read the Apollo religion is that you 390 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:17.640 basically would sacrifice a victim and you would have to 391 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:22.079 torture it. You would have to torture them to the 392 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.240 point of screaming, because the more that they scream, more 393 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:29.160 the torture, the more the better the sacrifice. And then 394 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.559 the soul will be captured by the cauldron that he's creating. 395 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:36.000 And then in the cauldron that's where you place the 396 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:39.400 innerds or the viscera or whatever, and has like stix 397 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:41.839 coming out of it, and it SUPs to like work 398 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:46.119 like a like a tuning thing, tuning into the actual 399 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:50.599 spirit world, and you are able to harness these I guess, 400 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:54.480 tortured souls to do your bidding. Right, So the more 401 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:57.279