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and Jammy, thanks Jerry, Welcome back everybody. We have entered
our number two numerow dose of Matt Connorton Unleashed. We
are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five
point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Today is Saturday,
August twenty third, twenty twenty five. Jenny is here at
the news table, President and accounted for and joining us
online right now. Charles Richardson from the Charles Richardson Show.
Charles are you there?
Speaker 1: Yes? Also President accounted for, Yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, Wow, you brought a crowd. I love it. A
studio audience. How are you, man? How are you?
Speaker 1: Absolutely this has been this is being recorded in front
of a live studio audience.
Speaker 5: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: But not really.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to I was, I was listening to the intro.
I was just coming out and said, listen. Even Will
Ferrell's movies have a only a significant number of outtakes.
I mean, that was just that was that was brutal.
So I'm glad. I think, get done.
Speaker 5: Yeah it it just took a little bit, but not
I love outtakes.
Speaker 1: So now things are right down here. It's not ninety
eight and sweating, so but it is what it is
in Florida.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I always get a little bit, you know,
because here, you know, you get to this point in
August it starts to cool off, and I get a
little melancholy about it because summer is my favorite time
of year. I love summer, and when it starts slipping away,
it's like I don't like it. I don't mind the heat,
you know, so, but it's humid where you.
Speaker 1: Are, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Most people, most people think I'm strange. I'm not a
fan of winter. So whenever it starts to feel too
hot to me, I just think about winter and how
much I don't like the cold, and then I'm fine
and I can live with it pretty easily.
Speaker 1: Then you you and I need to like trade places.
Get back up there to my mine down here where
where you're comfortable.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, so uh now.
Speaker 1: How would how would Jenny? How would Jenny treat the
heat down here?
Speaker 6: I actually spent a lot of my childhood in Florida,
nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jenny does not do well in humidity, right, Jenny, No,
definitely ramps up symptoms. So I end up stuck in
the air conditioning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, which I never used to.
Speaker 6: Be one for air conditioning, right, Like, what is it
hot a week in the summer?
Speaker 5: Yeah? We don't need that right now?
Speaker 4: It's like, is there ever a week I'm not running it?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, it's gonna be about eighty six today, so
not not bad. But yeah, when it gets up above ninety, yeah,
then Jenny's usually ready for the air conditioning. But so, now,
do you want to give us any before we I
know we're going to talk some wrestling and and I
don't know if you've been listening to the Tough Pumps
podcast Eric Pilter and I do. And by the way,
I did invite Eric to join us if you wanted,
but I know with his schedule it might not be
possible for him. So but if not, he'll hear this later.
But do you want to give us a do you
want to talk at all about the Charles Richardson show
for because longtime listeners of this program are familiar with
you and with the Charles Richardson show, of course, but
you haven't been on with us in a while, so
newer listeners might not know. So for the uninitiated, do
you want to tell us about about your show?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, it's a it's a very lame comparison to
your show. Interviews we don't do. So it is basically
a hodgepodge of topics that were just throwing together. Uh,
some humorous, some serious. Uh. Me and my wife usually
do it. We do have a couple of other co
hosts have recently joined us that kind of pop in
and out every now and then. So I'm getting back
to a formula where it's gonna be more fun. We uh,
I think Monday's show we had not Monday, it's the
last Wednesday show. We had everybody join us. So with
those like four co hosts on there, so I was
able to run Jeopardy. Uh So it was actually it
was actually be cool the first time I had a
game on oh in so long, and it was so
much fun it and time flow. It was just like, man,
we gotta go already. Yeah, So it was a lot
of fun to have a whole bunch of people on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. And what's the schedule for
the show. When are you on?
Speaker 1: Uh? Whenever I feel like no, So it's Monday and
Monday and Wednesday is the scheduled days eight pm to
ten pm Eastern Time. And we're on primarily Facebook and YouTube.
And my flagship station now is a music station, no
competitive to yours. It's called Power one Radio. It's the
number one and we primarily played twenty four to seven,
with the exception of the show eighties and nineties dancing.
Oh okay, tempo, high energy if you ever been to
that that that's awesome and Christian. If you still want
to DJ, you're welcome to if you.
Speaker 5: Want oh interesting, interesting? What are are they looking for
or are you? I don't know. I don't know how
much involvement you have in that station, Like, is the
station looking for DJs?
Speaker 1: It's it's it's my it's my personal creation and.
Speaker 5: It is Oh so you are oh very cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot of like
involvement right now. I'm just kind of overshadowing. I'm like
a silent partner to my own partner, okayt me. So
it's like I make sure the station is running, and
I have the the sweepers and everything that are running through,
and I make sure the bills are paid. But as
far as getting a lineup going, it wasn't like it
used to be like around five six years ago, where
I actually had a weekend lineup, hip hop lineup on
Wednesday Monday, we had a techno lineup. So it was
pretty interactive back then. But eventually, when I go ahead
and get a little bit more time, I'll go ahead
and ramp it up. But yeah, that's primarily where the
show runs. Facebook, YouTube, and that station just searched the
Charles Richardson show for all my Facebook crap and YouTube crap.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, yeah, And of course people can google it
to You're very googleable if you're looking for the show.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: It's funny you mentioned you mentioned about you know, not
always necessarily being consistent with with when it's on. I've
been having conversations with people recently about because you know, obviously,
when you're doing a show on FM radio, you know,
we're we're in a set time, you know, every week.
But with the podcasting, because I have a couple of
different podcasts that I'm involved in like Tough Bumps that
I do with Eric, and there's another, uh, there's a
political podcast that I'm doing now called Hanging Left with
Todd Air. And we've even brought back the podcast version
of this show for you know, conversations and things that
we want to do that are not that do not
fit the current format of the radio version of the show,
but we haven't been doing those. None of the podcasts
that I'm currently doing are on any particular schedule because
I've noticed over the past few years especially that a
lot of and this is a this is something I
talk about with Todd about the political podcast that we do,
because I use as an example a lot of the
political streamers now, like the ones you see, especially the
ones you see on Twitch. There's a lot of political
streamers on Twitch, but then they also stream on YouTube.
They're not really on a set schedule. They're using more
of the it's on when it's on approach, but they
have a lot of success with it because what they
do is, you know, they really build up their social
media accounts, They get as many people as they can
on social media, and then when they're going live, a
notification goes out. I'm live, and then people see the
notifications and they either join the show or they just
get it later, right, Because that's one of the great
things about a podcast. You can access it whenever you
want to. And that formula seems to be working really well.
There's a lot of successful streamers that they're not on
a set schedule. They it's on when it's on. If
you see it live, great, you see the notification, you
click in live great. If not, you get it later,
you know it's going out on all the podcasting platforms anyway,
So it almost doesn't matter. And I feel like that's
the way things are going. I mean, what's your thought
on that.
Speaker 1: My thought is that is a great way. If you're
a social media mongol like that and you can market
and you can do all that stuff, that's a great
way to do it. Ye me. I've been dreaming of
being a radio announcer since I was ten. Yeah, I
got I got my itch when I heard a talk
show and this guy was just being edgy. I'm thinking,
that's who I want to be. I want to do
that that. I want to be heard on multiple stations
all over the country. Ye I want to be that.
And it wasn't how it's turned. It was a local
dude in Miami. But that's who I want to be. Yeah,
and ever since then, that's kind of what I have
this show done for. It's yes, I'm not making any
money on it. I don't. I do it for the
love of it because this is what I've always dreamed
of want to be. It's something I have a drive
for thirty plus years. I'm still I'm still gunning with
a microphone. Hell, transform in my garage now we're actually
finally got the money, transform it, building it into a
studio slash art area for my wife. And this this
this separate bedroom where I'm in right now is going
to be now my kids play area. But still with
the idea of doing a show, expanding it, not making
any money on it. That just shows you, like kind
of like in depth of how I want to be.
And yes, you're right, it's whenever I can. But I
want to fit a schedule. I do want to keep
a schedule, like I'm on that FM radio or on radio.
I want to keep that type of schedule because I
like doing live. I think if I had the reach,
if I had the reach, I'd be better interactive live
podcast is like I mean, it's a certain niche for
certain people. I mean, if you have my one good
friend who does a wrestling podcast which I'm on now.
He actually does his recordings usually one or two days
a week, depending on how he feels, and he records
it and drops it, and he's able to be successful.
He's market it and advertise it. I'm not a marketing guy.
So that's where I lack. If I was a marketing guy,
I'd probably be as popular as Logan Paul or Joe Rogan,
right right, I'd be I'd be raking at the dollars.
But unfortunately that's not me.
Speaker 5: So what's the podcast that you're doing? Tell us about it?
The wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: So the podcast is the podcast that's called the Josh
Zodiac Podcast. It stars him his brother called the Psycho Nerd.
Don't even ask me and and myself. So, and there's
a there's another co host that he's that he's brought
on and she's pretty good too. She's very knowledgeable. And
when we were doing the live pls, I do the
live recording. He does the podcast. Okay, So when there's
a live pl E a big one, I'm usually the
one that does it through my channel and he joins
in with with everybody and you know we cover the matches. Yeah,
but but he does this, it's like an hour. It's
it's an hour podcast and discuss various different topics, usually
about Ross SmackDown and what's going on with the next
p l E or other wrestling rumors. Like we talked
about Hogan, we talked about Carrying Cross and Scarlett not
being re signed, we talked about how bad they are.
It's just it's just completely uh, all over the place wrestling.
So it's like, you know, we don't discuss because I know,
Tough Bumps you focus on one topic and you guys
go on it for for however long the show is
maybe two. Not well you talk about several topics.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we actually do. We actually do several topics
on Tough Bumps. What we do is so we have
the main event. Every week, we pick a subject that
we're going to cover and and then but we also
have the undercard, and the undercard is usually two or
three subjects that were we cover kind of a short
we have briefer conversations about leading up to the main event.
So then the main event will be uh whatever it is, like, uh,
like this past weekend the main event was aw kind
of the history of ae W, so we kind of
we kind of do it that way. But I mean
that's but that's another great thing about podcasting too, is
you know you can do it anyway you want to.
There's no there's no rules, there's no format to follow.
You know you can it can change, it can evolve,
it can devolve, it can you know, however you want to,
however you want to do it. I feel like you've
have you worked with Josh Zodiac before. The reason I
ask is I've heard that name and I think I've
heard you mentioned the name before Josh Zodiac.
Speaker 1: No, I've actually just recently come on to his uh
podcast U as an official co host. J He had
me on a guest a couple of times. But it's like, hey, listen,
you're really good. I like you the interaction that we have.
So it's like, I want to do a code something,
sure if you want, absolutely, So Okay, usually every Saturday
we do we do a show or he records and uh,
but no, it's it's only been for a few months now.
Speaker 5: Oh cool, Okay, I may I may have heard of
him elsewhere, then I might have U I might have
seen something of Eric, might even know him. I don't know. No,
that's very cool. That's very cool. And and and then
so when of the wheer the new episodes come out?
When should people look for him?
Speaker 1: Is it two a week Sunday? Usually it's it's just
it's just one a week. Usually they drop on Sunday.
Speaker 5: Okay, he is.
Speaker 1: We're taking September off and then we're gonna ramp up
afterwards to get ready for or after Survivor series, and
then we'll go ahead and jump back into it. But
I may I may do Survivor series on my end,
because I know, I think what that's two nights now again.
Speaker 5: The Survivor series two nights?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I think they're all going to
two nights. Crying out loud. That's what WW is all
about right now, is that they're all about making money.
And it's just really sad of how how downtry it
is with the new ESPN deal going on. It's like, gee, whiz, guys,
I mean, listen, you're already you're already firing up and everything.
How about giving the fans a break.
Speaker 5: Huh, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's just crazy.
Speaker 6: I am not buying ESPN. No, I am not buying it.
They can pound sand.
Speaker 5: I'm done.
Speaker 4: Well, I already have I got.
Speaker 6: I got Netflix to watch raw, I got Peacock to
watch PL's, I got you know, I gotta go to
empty different places to watch stuff to begin with.
Speaker 4: I'm done. I'm not chasing them to ESPN can pound sand.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: So I heard that if you already subscribe to ESPN,
do your linear cable subscription. I think you're covered. Yeah,
I have to go.
Speaker 4: I don't do cable.
Speaker 5: We got the we got the court a long time ago. Yeah,
we don't have cable. We got the corn long time ago.
Speaker 4: Ridiculous costs. It won't do it.
Speaker 5: It's so expensive for But now, in terms of though,
and this is a conversation that I had with Eric
on Tough Bumps, the easy workaround is you just get
a you know, you can get a VPN for like
six bucks a month and connect to it because the
pols will still be available internationally on Netflix, just not
in the US. So you just get a you just
get a VPN. Netflix doesn't know where you're connecting from.
You can have access to everything.
Speaker 1: I mean really or just or just or just contact
me after the show and I'll go ahead and give
you information about you know, adding you on to my
family subscription on YouTube TV.
Speaker 6: Ooh, well, I I agree with what you were saying before,
and now it just went out of my head.
Speaker 5: Oh about it it being so expensive now to be
a fan?
Speaker 6: Yeah right, it's really It really gives something back to
the fans.
Speaker 7: High.
Speaker 6: I mean, we spend enough money buying, emptying different subscriptions
to watch jumpting different things. And you know, but I
agree with you one hundred percent, and I hate the
direction they're going going in. I don't like the way
they're treating talent, especially truth that.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I think talent's being treated a lot better
than they were with Vince. To be honest with you,
there may be some one offs, yes, for for talent
that I think. I think Truth was brought back based
on fan pressure, which if you think about it, wouldn't
have not affected Vince one bit. But because the fans
are calling out for names, Triple H is listening to
the fans. So I think the talent is treated a
lot better nowadays.
Speaker 4: Agree, Well, maybe a little bit in that regard.
Speaker 6: But to drop somebody with no notice, no nothing, just ah, yeah,
we've been with us for decades, but goodbye, see it
hour get out. That's the way that they've dropped people, Uh,
you know, is awful. They don't have discussions with them.
They just wait till the end and then go oh
yeah you're gone. And people have been with them, their
lives are invested. Yeah, that's how you treat people.
Speaker 1: For Jenny, they da've they've they've done massive cuts before
just to save They've done that way before. The truth. Yeah,
it's just the fact of the matter that truth is
such a such is so beloved. Yeah, it's such a
he's basically I guarantee you when he retires, he finally
hangs up his boots, I guarantee you he's going to
be an ambassador.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he'll always have some sort of a connection
to the company. I'm sure. Yeah, regardless, But uh not.
Speaker 6: The only one though that they just drop like that. Well, yeah,
I been around forever and it's just you're gone.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think.
Speaker 5: I do think though, with with some people. I mean,
if you reach a point where you don't think you can,
you know, then.
Speaker 6: Have a discussion with him, be honest, don't be like
Cross all.
Speaker 5: The well, the carrying Cross thing seems like a unique situation.
Did you watch did you watch him? Excuse me, I'm
losing my voice, Charles. Did you watch? Jenny? And I
watched both the documentary The Killer Cross Part two slash
My Contract just ended or whatever it's called. And we
watched the Ariel Helwane interview where carrying Cross to me
comes across no pun intended really well. And in the
documentary both he and Scarlett come across really well, and
it's it's easy to have a lot of sympathy for them.
Did you watch either of those or both of those?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I can't say I have. Yeah, but here's my
take on Carrion's bro I'm gonna be honest with you,
and this is just what I see. Either Creative has
dropped the ball massively, yes, or Carrion just does not
get over with the fans at all. I mean he
number one. If you take a look at in ring work,
I can see why the guy only wrestles one time
a year. The guy is dangerous, you.
Speaker 5: Think so that that match?
Speaker 1: That match is dammy? Zaye, Literally are one or two
inches where he could be paralyzed. The Yeah, it was.
It was some scary stuff. Me, me and Joshua, We're
talking about that match, and it's like, yeah, he is unsafe.
He is unsafe. It's it's not a good performance at all.
His character is lackluster at best. I loved it when
he was with AOP and had the Final Testament, the Testament.
That was where he That is where I think he should.
He needs to be surrounded by talent. He cannot hold
himself with his character. He cannot. So either creative is
dropping the ball finding nothing legitimate that he can do well,
or he just excuse my French sucks and he just
needs to go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would definitely put it on creative because you know,
just hearing the guy talk, even in see I've always
been impressed with him in uh in interviews, various podcast
interviews I've seen with him over the years and whatnot.
He's so articulate and so interesting. It's like, how do
you not find something to do with this guy? And
then in recent days when he did that that promo
that was like a worked shoot where you know he
did he did that that promo after WrestleMania where he
was complaining about not being on the show and and
he threw down the microphone and said that's Killer Cross
and everything, and then people really got behind him after that,
and apparently his merchandise sales through WWE dot com spiked massively,
and his book, his new book that just came out,
Life Is Fighting, is doing very well. So there's clearly
the fans want him, they want to get behind him.
I put it all on creative how do you not
make money with this guy? And I've always felt that
like they they they did well with him in NXT
when Triple H was running NXT, but then you know,
they brought them up to the main roster. Vince was
still in charge, so Vince immediately ruined him. They released him,
they brought him back, and then the it's like they
can't figure out what to do with them, and it's like,
how do you not find something for this guy to do?
You know, I don't know, not.
Speaker 1: Not every n XT champion or or somebody that's rising
up from NXT goes to the main roster and succeeds.
It's just not that. And also there may be other
works behind the scenes. There could be some back back,
there could be some drama going on backstage, there could
be some obviously creative differences, I'm sure backstage. But the
thing is, though, just just seeing what I've seen on camera,
it's very bland. It's it's it's not it's not entertaining
for me at least. I mean again, it sounds like
you and Jenny Field differently, but it's not entertaining for me.
And and I find his wrestling style is very dangerous.
Speaker 5: I will say I don't think his ring work. I've
never noticed the dangerous aspect of that, but I would
be curious, Like Jenny said, you know, maybe we'll go
back and watch that match. But I will say I've
never found his ringwork to be particularly spectacular. Like I
don't expect to hear this is awesome chant during a
Carrion cross match. No, but but again.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's far but it's it's far from spectacularly,
it's down it's downright bad. It really is the the
I don't know because listen, when you take a look
and you're inside that ring, you are dancing with your
dance partner. I mean, yes, it's kind of sad to say,
because they're wearing tight, tight shorts and everything like that,
and you know, it's just you just think about that.
It's just like, Okay, you're dancing with a dude, all right, whatever, Sure,
but they're dancing and your dance partner. Somebody has to lead,
somebody has to Communication is always a spot mm hmmm.
Sammy Zain, whether it be with Jay Usso, whether it
be with the Bloodline, whether it be with Kevin Owens,
Sammy Zaine's beautiful, he's he he twinkled toes around that
ring like nobody ever. Sure, great, I seem carrying crossing
and I'm almost ready to cry because there is no
twinkle toes. Something's off and it's can't be Sammy, because
I've seen Sammy interact with other wrestlers and he is
just beautiful. It's great. It's artwork. It's not art, it's
it's just it's maybe it's not dangerous, but it's just
not good.
Speaker 5: I do think they had a good match at SummerSlam.
I thought it was I thought it was very good.
I mean, I you know, I didn't have any complaints
about it, certainly, but I think.
Speaker 1: The I think the drama and the interaction, the interference
with scarlet with the bar. Yeah, I like that, but
there was a couple of bumps there where I was like,
please get up, Sammy, please get up. Please don't do
the referee, don't do the x.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's just it's there's there's some of the bumps that
I just SAWD like, I mean, okay, that didn't look
that didn't look good.
Speaker 5: I do have to acknowledge my favorite part of any
carrying cross match has always been the entrance. I think
the entrance is incredible. I think I think that I
think that's the whole thing is really good. But but
he also said.
Speaker 1: It is the best part of carrying a cross is
the entrance. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: He did say during the uh the Ariel hill Wana
interview too that uh they so you said you didn't
watch it, correct, He said that, uh. He said that
it's it's really it's really good. But he said that
they they did make him an offer. It's not that
they didn't make him an offer. They did make him
an offer, but there were two things that there were
a problem. One is he wanted to know how they
arrived at that number, So I assume it was a
low number, because he again, there's been a just recent
there was a pretty big spike in his merchandise sales apparently,
so they wanted to know how they arrived at number
at that number. He didn't say no, He just said,
you know, let's continue the conversation. And the other sticking
point was they did not offer her Scarlet anything. They
offered him a new deal. They did not offer Scarlet
a new deal. And he says that what they told
him was that they would sign him, let's get your
deal locked in, and then we'll we'll figure out Scarlet,
which I can understand him being very concerned about that
for two reasons. Number One, she's a huge part of
the act. You know, it's hard to imagine him without her.
But also I would be worried about Okay, so you
want to sign me, You want me to hurry up
and sign this deal and then we'll and then we'll
deal with Scarlett afterward. I'm worried that there's not going
to be a follow through there. Okay, I'm going to
sign this deal that you, for some reason, are in
such a hurry for me to go ahead and sign,
because you're telling me if I don't sign it, in
twenty four hours, you're rescinding the offer, no ongoing contract negotiations.
I either sign this or you resined, and then I'm
suppose to just trust you that then you're going to
talk to Scarlet or we're going to sit down and
negotiate something for Scarlett as well. That that is. That
sounded pretty sketchy to me. So I don't blame him
for saying no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, because listen, what does my
deal have to do with Scarlett? Scarlett has her own deal.
How about we get Scarlett on board first and then
talk to me. I think, honestly it's a way to
go ahead and break this two apart. Because number one,
Scarlet's not a wrestler. She has not wrestled. She is
a valet. I think she hasn't she has Unfortunately, I think,
you know, I thought she had wrestled in the to
my recollection, if she had had a long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably been a long time. But I mean I
know she takes bumps and everything. I thought she had
wrestled at one time. I'm looking it up now.
Speaker 1: Yes, she she probably has trained before, Yeah, definitely look
it up. Yeah, but she's probably trained before to go
ahead and said bumps. But she's primarily a LA. And
I don't think WWE, especially with them cracking down on
salary and everything like that, I don't think they're gonna
go ahead and pay a LA, which is weird. You're
going ahead and bumping up to ESPN for thirty dollars
a month. You're already telling people to pay for Netflix
for raw and you're cutting salary really okay, I mean,
I you know, I don't get it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking on Wikipedia.
Speaker 4: It looks like a peacock for the ples.
Speaker 5: Yeah and US.
Speaker 1: And they're also bumping up because they said when they
signed this deal with ESPN that their first pl E
was gonna be wrestle Mania next year. They're bumping it
up to ye something called Russell Polluta yep for in
September yep y she with.
Speaker 4: I think their money. I think they're greedy as heck.
Speaker 6: They got that company's got so much money now then
Nicol and Dive in the R artists who are contracted,
they don't get healthcare. They got to pay their own
healthcare everything else, right, That's why I think people don't
understand that sometimes too, because they think they're employees. Right,
they're non employees. They're they're independent contract Yep. They got
to work around from the government basically, and it stuck.
Speaker 1: They Yeah, they're I mean, obviously there's there's another wrestling
promotion out there. If you don't wake it a WWE
go over to the AWE. What they can do? You got
full creative control. You have another con and debt that
didn't charge. So you go from Tony to Neck or
Nick to Tony. I don't know, I forget whose con
is open. They're both cons.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I had to do it.
Speaker 1: God, I can't go over to the aw there. You
know they you know they're they're thriving as well. I mean,
look how awesome they are. I mean, look, I mean
just just think about it. Chris Jericho went from w
w E to aw possibly back to WWE most likely.
Speaker 4: I thought that.
Speaker 1: Come on, now, Tody Rhoades goes ahead and flicks off WWE.
When he goes to aw it's back to WWE. Yeah,
what's going on? How come eight you can't keep their talent,
talent that they take from WWE. Well, it's not working out.
Next thing, you know, we're getting Dean Ambrose back, right,
is that what's gonna happen next? Oh?
Speaker 5: I hope, so, I hope. So that was something that
Eric and I talked about too on Tough Bumps. So,
by the way, if you're just joining us, we have
Charles Richardson from the Charles Richardson Show on the line
with us, and and uh oh, and of course the
pot what's the name of the wrestling podcast? Is it
the Josh Zodiac Show? Yes, the Josh Zodiac Podcast, the
Josh Sodiac Podcast. I want to make sure I get
it right. When uh? When when we did?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this past Sunday on the newest edition of Tough Bumps,
it was a history of a W and Eric and
I talked a lot about how the worst thing that
happened to AEW was And Eric and I disagree on
a lot of things, but on this I think we
agreed is that when when Vince ended up having to
permanently leave WWE because with Triple H in charge of
creative Because the whole reason that a w was so
successful in the beginning and to a large extent still
is I mean, doing thirty thousand people in a stadium
in Texas is pretty impressive, but the reason they were
so successful initially was because they were offering an alternative
to what had become very very stale, a very stale
product under Vince. I was saying to Eric, you know,
for years, I didn't even sit down. I wouldn't even
sit down and sit through an episode of Raw or SmackDown.
I would just go on YouTube and find find out
whatever happened and just watch whatever clips looked interesting to me.
And that was it. So I never fully disengaged from
the product. But so, you know, so AW was filling
that void. And then of course Triple H, who I
wasn't surprised because I was watching that X because when
Triple H was in charge of NXT, NX was phenomenal.
And uh, you know, so when Triple H got to
take over full creative, on the full roster, on the
main roster, you know, that was all of a sudden
ae W. It's kind of like, don't really need it
after all now that WWE is running on all cylinders
again for the first time in a long time. But
that's but I do think that ae W is a
net positive for the business. I think that the wrestling
business always thrives when you have competitive forces within it.
The more promotions that are successful, the better because a
high tide raises all ships interests in wrestling. You know,
it's it's so strong right now. Even TNA Jenny and
I were watching a little bit of Slammiversary. Uh they
were that was their biggest North American crowd for Slammiversary,
almost eight thousand people. I think their partnership with WWE
helps drive that. But I do think AEW holds an
important place in the market, and I think there I
think it's a net positive that they're around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely going to be a net positive
for AW no matter what, because it's an alternative. And
when you can go ahead and finally get your creative
brains intact and actually bump heads literally sometimes and you
go ahead and get Edge and Christian back together, that's
going to generate some interest. Like, hmm, how is this
rated R superstar Adam Copeland gonna do with Christian Cage
now that they're reunited. M interesting storyline. It drove me
interest in AEW because I want to see what these
two are gonna go at, right, And that was the
first time I heard of Spike apparently with that bat
just oh gruesome. Yeah. Anyway, I'm like, I'm like, you
know what, let's see what happens. Let's see where they
go from here, because they're taking a definite tag team,
a formidable tag team, a feme tag team, and they're
bringing it to their forefront. Now let's see how they do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think, uh so, we don't. We don't
watch much a w uh Basically, if there's a you know,
if they have a a big event or something, there's
a website Toki video dot com that posts uh, the
individual matches from their pay per views, you know, usually
a week or two after they happen. But but yeah,
I think I think, you know.
Speaker 1: Are they not? Are they not? Are they not streaming
on Max? There are there there pay per views? I
know they're streaming like Dynamite in oh yeah Vision on
Max Max.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have Max Max. We've we've actually watched one
of the shows on Max. We've never watched any of
their p l E s on Max. But I think
you're right. Yeah, with all the streaming services, it gets confusing.
It's hard to keep up with it all.
Speaker 4: I'm ready to dump some.
Speaker 5: But but part part of why.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, it's it's it's amazing. Matt. Cut the chord. Yeah,
cut the cord. Everybody. Cut the streaming. You're spending more
now on streaming than you did.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm actually not spending more on streaming than I was
paying the cable because it was.
Speaker 4: Expensive.
Speaker 1: People are though, Oh yeah, a lot of people are
though cable.
Speaker 5: Cable is far from dead, that's for sure. Yeah, I Uh.
Part of why we were having that conversation on Tough
Bumps was Eric is. Eric is much more negative on
a W than I am. Like I said, I think,
I think Uh. I think Cody Rhads his return to
w W E UH would not have been nearly as
important and as big a deal had it not been
for a e W even CM Punk, you know, I mean,
it still would have been a big deal him returning
to w W E his surprise appearance at Survivor Series
UH when he returned, But again, had it had it
not been for his UH, had it not been for
a double getting him back into the game first, I
don't think it would have meant as much. You know,
I think AW. I think AW has directly benefited WWE
in some ways. I really do.
Speaker 1: I agree. And then I disagree because Cody Rhodes developed
himself in the Indies beforeaw even took place. That was
Eric's reinventive. That the American Nightmare persona theme song and
everything was before aw right, So he actually went ahead
and created himself before then he was able to make
a stage on AW So I agreed to that point.
I agreed to that point that Cody went ahead and
turned some heads like, Wow, this guy can actually perform.
You don't have to put him in a goofy gold
out and called Stardust, right, that's great, see them punk
on the other hand, seem punk. On the other hand,
he had to try another promotion because of his experience
with WWE, his negative experience with w W and at
the time, uh, he went to aw vincent Stone charge anyway,
so why would he go back to a toxic relationship
with that, right? And of course if you haven't seen Unreal,
we watch you to know that. Yeah, it's it's that.
That's freaking great, it really is. But that right there
not even unreal, just just a hole behind the scenes
of how Sam Punk got back. It was the last
minute deal. This thing wasn't like Etched and Stone before
a Survivor series hit. Nobody knew except three people, and
one of them was AJ So he he and he
was hidden behind everything. He got into Gorilla Formation and like, wow,
seampunk is here. Yep, yeah, it's just he literally signed
that contract like ten minutes before. So there was a
coming to Jesus moment with Triple H saying, listen, we
know we messed up. We know this happen, happened, we
know that happened. This is how it is now. We
know there's a lot of wrongs that have been righted
and and this is this is what we can offer you.
And I think sam Plunk came back, but I think
he had to try another promotion to see what exactly
what it's like outside of w W E before he came.
Speaker 5: Back, right right. I also have a theory you know
that you know that show that CM Punk showed up at.
This was when he was on the outs with ae W.
He was still under contract, but he he was out
with his with his injury. Poor guy, He's had a
lot of injuries. But so he was he was away
from the promotion and and of course it was an
ongoing story that he was at odds with some of
the people there and like Jack Perry and his relationship
with Tony Cohn was pretty strained. And then there was
that WWE show that he showed up at just to
say hi to some people backstage, and yep, and and
Vince Scott went and Vince got wind of it and
kicked him out. And and by the way, Vin Vince
I think was probably right to do that, because Vince
does not want to be sued or contract hampering, you know,
because if he's aware of the situation, he knows. Assuming
he was aware, he knew that cmpunk was still under
contract with AEW but having problems. So it's not necessarily
a great look that, you know, while still under contract
with AEW, cmpunk is just showing up at a show.
But that night, apparently before before Vince gave word that no,
you got to get him out of here. We can't
have him in the building. Kick him out, he did
have a brief interaction with Triple H. I just wonder
how that interaction went because I have this I have
a theory. It's just a theory, I you know, can't
base it on anything, But is it possible that part
of that introduction Apparently it was very very brief, just
kind of saying hello to each other. But I wonder
if Punk said something like, you know, to Triple H, hey,
you know, someday, when I'm not under contract somewhere else,
I might like to come back here, you know, just
kind of throwing that out there on Triple H may
have said something like, hey, you know, if you weren't
under contract, we'd love to have you back. Who knows
what the future, you know, just something, just a brief
interaction like that, and they'll know, And if that conversation
did take place, they'll never admit it. But I just know,
but I can't help, but wonder if it did. You know.
Speaker 1: I have my own theory and it's it's it's definitely
not wrestling related. So my theory is, damn Punk walks
up to Triple H and it's like, hey, how are
you and Stephanie doing? Yeah, we're doing great? And mean
you're doing great? Won't get together and have a foursome?
Speaker 5: Really that's your theory? And yeah, so well, Charles, I mean,
you're definitely thinking outside the box, because I can honestly
tell you with all the sincerity, that never occurred to me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So Uh, what do you watch any a W
now or do you only watch WWE?
Speaker 1: It's it's mainly WWE. But you know, I kind of
keep tabs on stuff with ae W like I you know,
I wouldn't have known about edging Christian. I knew they
were feuding with with with each other. I think, yeah
there was one time Christian hug Edge until you know
f oh yeah, yeah and that's okay, wow, yeah, but
you know, no, I I kind of keep tabs like
you know, apparently they got something going now, which okay,
maybe I might tune in to see what's going on
if they're advertised, uh, and and see what's doing. But
I'm primarily w W.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll watch any Will Osprey match.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: And he of course, you know an A W and
you know, a big fan of MJF. Haven't kept up,
haven't kept up with what they've been doing. But well
there's so much. There's just so much content now, I mean,
and WWE is pumping out more content than ever.
Speaker 1: Is JF like part of the hurt cyndykit now with
lash Lee in the MVP.
Speaker 5: From what I saw online, he was but now he's out.
They kicked him out or something, So I don't know,
I haven't, but that's you know, it's hard though. See
that's the other thing with AEW. And this is something
where I think Tony Kahn probably has something in common
with Vince McMahon that wanting to have full control over
creative to the point where you know nothing's being delegated
or if it is being well. Obviously in WW Evans
was delegating because he had a full writing team, but
then you know he'd end up tearing up the script
and rewriting it himself anyway, And I think that you know,
what AW needs, what Tony Kahn needs, is somebody or
a team of people who can do what Triple H
has done, recommit to long term, logical storytelling where you
can get really invested in these characters, because that's the
most important thing. That's what makes w WE, in my opinion,
so successful. Now I've argued to Eric that to me,
wrestling is better than it's ever been because there's more,
there's more of a focus on long term storytelling. There's surprises,
but everything is logical, but also character development. I can't
remember ever, and I've been watching since I was a kid.
I can't remember ever a time when there was as
much character development as we see now and a willingness
to make these characters complex and you know they've got
levels to them. That's why now you'll see babyfaces fighting
with other babyfaces that used to be never a thing,
but now you know you can have that, or heels
fighting with other heels because the audience has been conditioned
to accept these are complex characters and not everything is
black and white, and people who are you know, good
guys can actually fight with other good guys, and bad
guys can actually fight with other bad guys because you
know sometimes in real life that happens, right, So I
think AW if Tony Kahn would just allow somebody who
really has a good creative mind, who can do what
Triple H has done, come into AW and recommit to
long term storytelling, I think they'd be a lot more successful.
And they're already pretty SUCCESSFU well, let's be honest, but
I think they'd be a lot more successful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they still have a long way to go. They're
still in the baby's, the the infant stages, maybe even
the Toddless stages, but definitely, definitely. I do have a
couple of questions because I know, we're running out of
time here, so I want to I have a couple
of questions. Number one, and please assume that I have
not heard this on Tough Bumps. Okay, but tell me
what was your reaction to Hogan's death.
Speaker 5: So we tried on Tough Bumps, we tried to present
kind of a measured, fair assessment. I mean, I can
tell you my personal reaction. When I saw the news
alert on my phone, I was kind of numb. It
was like wow, you know because, on one hand, a
huge part of my childhood, and obviously Hogan a huge
part of professional wrestling, something that I'm I'm passionate about,
so so it was like, wow, it's kind of stunning.
But it's also hard to get past because I don't
think he ever effectively dealt with it. You know, his
racist comments that were recorded during that encounter with Bubba
the Love Sponges wife, which is still even weird to say,
but you know, the just objectively extraordinarily racist, shockingly racist
things that he said during that conversation that was recorded,
which yeah, he did the whole apology tour and everything,
but he never really dealt with the central His comments
were very specific and he never dealt with specifically what
he was wrestling with, no pun intended when expressing himself
during that conversation. He never dealt with that specifically, at
least not publicly, and a lot of people felt like
his apologies were half hearted and insufficient, and he never
fully recovered from that, obviously, So we tried to So
we tried to be very fair about it, well, and to.
Speaker 1: Be honest with you, he was apparently, in his private
life a very manipulative person. Because Brooke Hogan, his daughter,
called in on Bubba and they haven't spoken in years
because of the fallout between Hogan and Bubba. Yeah, and
Brooke even said that, hey, my dad told me about
the tape and he knew you didn't have anything to
do with it. Even though Bubba lost his home, he
got fired, everything that laid down, Hogan never came to
his defense, even though he admitted to Brooke that, yeah,
I know Bubba had nothing to do with it, right, So,
just on that alone, I think he was not a
good human being. Let's put it that way. Now. Is
that is that justified to say, like, well, thank god
he's dead.
Speaker 5: No, of course not.
Speaker 1: I mean I think the way he died. There's actually
a criminal investigation going on the that he may have
been murdered.
Speaker 5: Jenny and I were talking about that earlier. There medical
medical malpractice. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Question during a surgery.
Speaker 6: He had a surgery apparently recently, and there's question as
to whether or not his frontic nerve was damaged or
severed and restitched or something. And he also had a
fib so I guess the combo wasn't too good and
they think that might have actually been what caused his death,
in which case it would be a medical practice.
Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know that there was a police investigation
going on. I think it's still going on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, it's still it's still going on. It's still
going on. Yeah, could be wrongful death, who knows.
Speaker 1: Another question, Matt, how do you feel of Sina's so
called heel turn versus face turn? It Was that a
flop or is that do you think was successful?
Speaker 5: I so, I'm, I'm I know, I'm very much in
the minority when I say this. I loved, for of all,
the heel turn itself was amazing, and I think most
people would agree on that. The actual heel turn itself
was fantastic. It was so so, so well done. The
subsequent him as a heel, the heel version of John
Cena again, I know I'm in the minority. I was
really enjoying it. I understand why people didn't like that
he I think people a lot of people wanted him
to be more overtly evil and whatnot, where he actually
underplayed it. But I liked it. I thought it was cool.
I thought it was very intriguing. I really enjoyed it,
and I thought the face turn back seemed a little rushed.
What were you gonna saying? Packed out? Oh yeah, that
was so funny. Yeah, when he's like, I'm going to
ruin wrestling.
Speaker 4: I loved that.
Speaker 5: I loved that too. I thought it was cool. I
really enjoyed heel John Cena. What did you think?
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed his promos, But it
started to get a little repetitive, like he didn't have
anything new coming out. It just kept saying the same
thing over and over again. It's just it kind of
got repetitive. So I think when Cody finally because you're right,
it did feel rushed a little bit, but you saw
bits and pieces of good Sena coming out the past
few weeks before that, and I think I think they
were trying to lead up to it, but obviously they
wanted to take the belt off him and put on Cody. So, uh,
mister Lesnar can go ahead a big introduction.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what do you think about that one coming back?
Speaker 4: What do you think about Lesner coming back?
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it. I know, I know
it was basically it was basically John's wish to go
ahead and wrestle Lesnar. That's why he's back. It's it
has nothing to do with well, he's gonna draw big
money and no, no, he'll he'll draw big money. But
that was a request from Sina. Sina wants to get
all of his his adversaries. Yes, it was reported Sena
requested Lesno. Yeah, so he wants to fight Legend one more. Yeah,
So this retirement tour is basically to get all If
you ever seen Rocky five, where it's like, listen, I
got to get the beast out of me. I can't
hold on. He's trying to get the beast out of it.
Literally in this case, he's trying to get the beast.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, she's take care of everybody that he
needs one more time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense, which I
don't agree.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't agree with Logan Paul. Why would
he be on that list? I don't. I don't understand
that that storyline one bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Charles, we are approaching the top of the hour,
so we got to begin to wrap up. The time
goes so quickly. But we should definitely do this more often,
my friend, because uh, I always enjoy having you on
and uh, you know, and anytime you want me to
have be on your show, I'd love to do that
as well. But I do want to make sure, so
where should people go to find not only your show
but also the show that you do with Josh Zodiac.
I want to make sure everyone knows where to go
to find your content.
Speaker 1: So my show search the Charles Richardson Show on Facebook
like my page. All my shows go live on that
page from eight to ten pm Monday Wednesday, hopefully both
and any interaction or possible topics I may be talking
about will be listed there as well. That used as
my reference sheet. Okay, YouTube, same thing, search search the
Charles Richardson Show. I have a channel with so many subscribers. Kidding,
but so many subscribers that you can go ahead and
do it. It's free for now, but after that it's
gonna be twenty nine ninety five. I'm launching my own
app with competing against ESPN The Josh Zodiac Podcast. Same thing,
Josh Zodiac podcast on all social media. He is available
on podcast on the podcast on iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts, anywhere
podcasts are done. You can search that that right there
and boom it pops up.
Speaker 5: Fantastic, fantastic. Well, Charles, thank you so much, my friend.
Like I said, we must do this more often. And
I really appreciate you. Appreciate you joining us today, and
we'll talk again soon. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Just have Jenny getting contact with me. I'm able
to do it, all.
Speaker 5: Right, sounds great, All right, Charles, try to try to
stay cool down there. I know it's hot, so and
we'll talk to you all right. You got it? Thanks,
take care all right. That was Charles Richardson from The
Charles Richardson Show, and I always love talking to Charles.
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