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Speaker 2: Brian Thomas wishing youre one a very happy Wednesday, and
Speaker 2: you're listening right now, You've got to be a happy
Speaker 2: person because welcome back and a very happy new year
Speaker 2: to one of the few ones we've got that we
Speaker 2: can count on. Congressman Thomas Massey, Welcome back, my friend.
Speaker 2: It is always a distinct pleasure to have you on
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Speaker 1: Happy new year, Brian to you and your listeners.
Speaker 2: So are you optimistic for this year? Hit the ground running?
Speaker 1: I am optimistic. I think we can get some stuff done.
Speaker 1: It's a big it's a big opportunity, and I hope
Speaker 1: we don't screw it up. Mike, Republicans often do. Well.
Speaker 2: I know that's the case. Let's just start with the
Speaker 2: speaker vote, because you know, I know you were not
Speaker 2: a Johnson guy, and I've got other listeners who hate
Speaker 2: the guy for whatever reason. But I think, optically speaking,
Speaker 2: to start out with a speaker fight that might have
Speaker 2: been drug out and delayed things and sort of made
Speaker 2: the Republican Party look like they weren't unified to do
Speaker 2: to get something accomplished, probably would have you know, I
Speaker 2: think in order poorly to the Republicans and helped the
Speaker 2: Democrats on some level, if for nothing more than they
Speaker 2: could make fun of the Republican Party for not being
Speaker 2: unified or presenting a unified front. What's your reaction to
Speaker 2: that analysis.
Speaker 1: Well, I went back and forth with Nuke Gingridge on this,
Speaker 1: and you know, one thing that you noticed is nobody
Speaker 1: is saying Mike Johnson is a good speaker, a great speaker,
Speaker 1: a capable speaker. True, I don't want to disparage him
Speaker 1: at this point because he is our speaker. But I
Speaker 1: want to say that the decision process, the argument that
Speaker 1: people were making is the argument that you made, which is,
Speaker 1: let's just get this behind us, let's get on track,
Speaker 1: let's start moving forward. Had I think in analogies, I
Speaker 1: think it's if you make an analogy to buying a car,
Speaker 1: it's like, listen, vacation starts tomorrow. We got to start
Speaker 1: this family vacation. We know this car here on this
Speaker 1: lot leaks, Well, it's got a bad piston ring. It
Speaker 1: doesn't start unless you hit the starter with the hammer.
Speaker 1: But let's buy this car so we can start our
Speaker 1: vacation tomorrow, or we're gonna buy. We need a house.
Speaker 1: We need a roof over our head. We know this
Speaker 1: house leaks. The roof leaks, the foundation is crumbling, the
Speaker 1: door sills are rotten. But give me those mortgage papers.
Speaker 1: Let's sign notes. It's like it's a question or an
Speaker 1: argument of expediency that was made. I think it's going
Speaker 1: to come back and buy us in the butt, okay,
Speaker 1: And we can talk about the places where I think
Speaker 1: you'll get it right in the places where people are
Speaker 1: going to be disappointed.
Speaker 2: Well, and you anticipated exactly where I was going with that,
Speaker 2: all right, So you know we got the leaky roof house.
Speaker 2: How is Johnson going to potentially sabotage or other undermine
Speaker 2: something that the Republicans might want to accomplish. How are
Speaker 2: things going in your mind? What scenario will things prove
Speaker 2: to be the sort of I told you so. A
Speaker 2: moment for Congressman Thomas Massey on this choice.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you go back before Christmas,
Speaker 1: pretty much ninety percent of people agreed with me that
Speaker 1: we should have a different speaker. It was when Trump
Speaker 1: endorsed him that you know, okay, now let's get behind him. Okay,
Speaker 1: there are only a couple pieces of legislation that are
Speaker 1: going to matter in the next year and frankly maybe
Speaker 1: for the next two years. When I talked to President
Speaker 1: Trump personally after the election, this was about ten days
Speaker 1: after election, I said, I think you got about six
Speaker 1: months a runway to get this agenda done, and he agreed.
Speaker 1: And the way we're going to get things done is
Speaker 1: in a bill called reconciliation. But there's also another bill
Speaker 1: called the Omnibus that's going to come up as well.
Speaker 1: One of these bills is likely going to pass with
Speaker 1: only Republican votes. That's a reconciliation bill. The other bill,
Speaker 1: the Omnibus, is likely going to be a repeat of
Speaker 1: what we've seen before, where you get a uniparty vote
Speaker 1: for that. And I'm worried that the Speaker is going
Speaker 1: to give away that the store in that omnibus bill. Now,
Speaker 1: the debt limit has to be increased at some point
Speaker 1: as well to fund all of these things they're talking about.
Speaker 1: Where do you put that debt limit increase? They're probably
Speaker 1: going to almost certainly going to put it in the
Speaker 1: reconciliation bill. It's going to pass with all Republican votes.
Speaker 1: So you kind of get two omnibus bills that are
Speaker 1: coming up. Think of the reconciliation bill as an omnibus bill,
Speaker 1: and then there's going to be the typical omnibus bill. Well,
Speaker 1: one of those is a Republican omnibus and the other
Speaker 1: one is a uniparty omnibus. And in the reconciliation that's
Speaker 1: where you're going to get Trump's agenda. But the Swamp
Speaker 1: is really going to try and get some I'm afraid
Speaker 1: going to get some junky in there. And they're also
Speaker 1: probably going to bust the budget in there unless some
Speaker 1: of us hold their feet to the fire on that one.
Speaker 1: Let me explain. So, the Reconciliation bill is going to
Speaker 1: have the tax cuts that you know we did under
Speaker 1: Trump the first time that unfortunately expire after a certain
Speaker 1: period of time. It's going to have border security in it.
Speaker 1: Those are I think the two main things you can
Speaker 1: count on having in there. The question is how do
Speaker 1: you pay for those things? Things like work requirements for
Speaker 1: able bodied people on welfare. It seems like a no brainer,
Speaker 1: right Brian, but we don't. We still don't have those
Speaker 1: imposed on the states. They've got so much wiggle room
Speaker 1: that they basically don't have them in most states. And
Speaker 1: if you would do that, then you could say, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to save this much money in the federal
Speaker 1: budget and we can offset those tax cuts that are
Speaker 1: coming up. And then there's little things in the minutia
Speaker 1: like this thing called state and local tax deduction. The
Speaker 1: people from New York, the Republicans from New York and
Speaker 1: some from Virginia and some of these high tax states,
Speaker 1: they think they should be able to offset their state
Speaker 1: and local taxes off their federal tax bill. My question
Speaker 1: to them is, why should you pay any less for
Speaker 1: our military defense that we do in Kentucky or Ohio
Speaker 1: just because your local taxes are high in New York.
Speaker 1: The answer is they shouldn't. But they're going to be
Speaker 1: an argument over that anyways. That all goes in reconciliation,
Speaker 1: and the question is are we going to increase the
Speaker 1: debt at the same time that we're raising the debt limit,
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, increase the deficit at the same time
Speaker 1: that we're raising the debt limit, because that's going to
Speaker 1: be in reconciliation. So there's this. You know, I'm going
Speaker 1: to listening sessions today individually with the Whip. I'll be
Speaker 1: meeting with him, and then we're going to have a
Speaker 1: larger meeting with a larger group of people with the
Speaker 1: Speaker later today talking about this reconciliation bill. Meanwhile, nobody
Speaker 1: wants to talk about this omnibus bill because the government
Speaker 1: funding for the things we appropriate, like military, NASA, roads
Speaker 1: and bridges, all of that stuff comes up in March.
Speaker 1: I know, you've got to break somewhere in We.
Speaker 2: Got a couple of minutes, so I was waiting for
Speaker 2: you to bring up regular order. Aren't there supposed to
Speaker 2: be twelve appropriations bill? And now that we have Republicans
Speaker 2: and control of the House, the Senate, and the Executive branch,
Speaker 2: couldn't we get back to doing twelve separate appropriations bill
Speaker 2: as is required and as part of the job description
Speaker 2: everybody elected official up there.
Speaker 1: You know that sounds wonderful, Brian. That has gone out
Speaker 1: the window. There will be no attempt at regular order.
Speaker 1: They're putting pennies in the fuse box. And now you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, in some to some degree, it's a
Speaker 1: fair thing for them to want to do on reconciliation.
Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you why. This is how
Speaker 1: the Democrats got the so called Inflation Reduction Act pass.
Speaker 1: They did it on reconciliation. I should have pointed this
Speaker 1: out in the beginning. If you do something under something
Speaker 1: called if you do legislation under something called reconciliation, you
Speaker 1: only need fifty one votes in the Senate, And that
Speaker 1: is why you can pass it with all Republican votes
Speaker 1: and get Republican agenda items in it. And so that's
Speaker 1: why they're going to create this bill that has everything
Speaker 1: in it together. It's so you can pass it through
Speaker 1: the Senate with fifty one votes instead of sixty votes. Now,
Speaker 1: to your point, on the omnibus bill that funds roads
Speaker 1: and bridge, is, NASA defense, all of those things that
Speaker 1: should be twelve separate bills. But that deadline's coming up
Speaker 1: in March. And by the way, if we do another
Speaker 1: CR in March, there's still the massive provision that I
Speaker 1: got negotiated in there a year and a half ago
Speaker 1: that says if you go past April thirtieth on a
Speaker 1: continuing resolution, all of those appropriation line items get cut
Speaker 1: one percent. So kind of secretly hoping for another cr
Speaker 1: instead of an omnibus. Uh. But what we should do
Speaker 1: is twelve separate bills. I can guarantee you we're not
Speaker 1: going to do that between now and March, and then
Speaker 1: when March comes along, they're going to say, we've got
Speaker 1: to do this omnibus bill. And President Trump wisely does
Speaker 1: not want the debt limit deal in the omnibus. He
Speaker 1: wants it in reconciliation, because when you put it in reconciliation,
Speaker 1: you're negotiating with Republicans. You put it in the omnibus,
Speaker 1: you're going to be negotiating with the uniparty.
Speaker 2: Which yeah, I understand, I understand, but I guess I
Speaker 2: have to understand on some level. Clearly spending is the problem,
Speaker 2: and there's no accountability in government. I mean there's none.
Speaker 2: I know, make an argument one way or the other,
Speaker 2: but in the final analysis, you get a defense bill.
Speaker 2: They can't pass audits time after time after time. They
Speaker 2: have no idea where the money's going. We're talking nine
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars and it can't be accounted for. Is
Speaker 2: there any way Trump can help on this? Put pressure
Speaker 2: on peoples. This is a new day we need to
Speaker 2: cut spending and quit funding these ridiculous projects and look
Speaker 2: across the table at Republicans who should be in favor
Speaker 2: of fiscal responsibility and try to hold them accountable out
Speaker 2: loud on ax account or truth social media. I mean,
Speaker 2: doing press conferences and pointing out the bad actors that
Speaker 2: keep insisting on things like writing off their state taxes
Speaker 2: so that because they have a state with high taxes.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, embarrassment can work, can it?
Speaker 1: Well, that's how Doge is gonna work. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I've and I've talked of the personally. He and I
Speaker 1: sat down one on one and I told him, you've
Speaker 1: got to get in this reconciliation bill because if you're
Speaker 1: not in that, they're just going to pay lip service
Speaker 1: to Doge. Right, And uh, by the way, after the break,
Speaker 1: let's talk about what I'm trying to get in reconciliation
Speaker 1: that will fundamentally change intrastructural government and restore constitutional balance.
Speaker 1: All right, But in the meantime, yeah, we should cut spinning.
Speaker 1: Our worst enemies are some of these Republicans up here.
Speaker 1: I know that they say we want a ten percent
Speaker 1: increase in the military budget. We're willing to give the
Speaker 1: Democrats ten percent increase and everything else. And so we
Speaker 1: get a ten percent increase across the board on all
Speaker 1: of these things, including the social programs. That that's going
Speaker 1: to happen. Take it to the bank. That is going
Speaker 1: to happen in this omnibus bill. Now, if you had
Speaker 1: a speaker who didn't want to play that game, who
Speaker 1: wasn't beholden to the military industrial complex, if he's demonstrated
Speaker 1: over and over, then that wouldn't have to be the case.
Speaker 1: But this is where we are.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll bring Congress from Messy back and we'll
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Speaker 2: We got Congressom Massi on the phone right now, and
Speaker 2: follow by, of course, Judge Annonopolitano, and I know he's
Speaker 2: probably listening right now. Congressman Massy big fan of yours,
Speaker 2: and I know you like him, and we all kind
Speaker 2: of think like mindedly in terms of our libertarian perspective
Speaker 2: on things. All right, back over to the reconciliation. What
Speaker 2: are Congressom Massy's wishless when it comes to the reconciliation?
Speaker 1: Okay, if somebody just joined us over the break, let
Speaker 1: me summarize what I said before. There's two big trains
Speaker 1: leaving the station here in Congress. One is reconciliation that
Speaker 1: only needs fifty one votes to pass the Senate. The
Speaker 1: others this omnibus bill that you're typically used to that
Speaker 1: needs sixty votes to pass the Senate. The reconciliation bill
Speaker 1: is going to be all Republicans. We got to get
Speaker 1: it done with all Republicans. They need my vote for that.
Speaker 1: The omnibus bill, they don't need my vote because that's
Speaker 1: going to be a uniparty bill and they're gonna be
Speaker 1: They're gonna it's like a magician. They're going to tell you,
Speaker 1: look at this hand, it's got reconciliation in it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: they're going to do that omnibus bill with the other hand,
Speaker 1: and you're not supposed to watch that. Pay no attention
Speaker 1: to that man behind that curtain. Okay, so reconciliation, what
Speaker 1: can we have done? Well, the first thing we should
Speaker 1: do is undo all the crap the Democrats put in
Speaker 1: their reconciliation bill. And this is where you're going to
Speaker 1: find out which Republicans, although there won't be separate votes,
Speaker 1: so you won't know which Republicans behind the scenes are
Speaker 1: secretly trying to keep provisions of the Democrats so called
Speaker 1: Inflation Reduction Act. We can get rid of all of
Speaker 1: those provisions in our reconciliation bill. But I watch, mark
Speaker 1: my word, they're not going to do it. Well.
Speaker 2: Why won't we know who they are.
Speaker 1: Because there won't be separate votes on it. This is
Speaker 1: all man, this is all happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: I know we'll have no behind I guess my point
Speaker 2: being behind the scenes. Some fill in the blank with
Speaker 2: the negative reference comment Republican is saying no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we can't do that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Out that person. I mean, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's why shame them. Tell Donald Trump did this. I
Speaker 2: want to use well FCC non compliant language when we're
Speaker 2: referring to people like that. But that's where I say,
Speaker 2: shame them. Bring them out into the light show the
Speaker 2: American people. Who the people are that really aren't Republicans
Speaker 2: and are looking forward to the financial collapse of the
Speaker 2: United States of America.
Speaker 1: Well, I gotta work with these guys, Brian, So behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, here's what I'm trying to get in the
Speaker 1: reconciliation package. Okay, I would love to get rid of
Speaker 1: the Democrats reconciliation package, but I know most most of
Speaker 1: that's not gonna get gone, not be gone, but put
Speaker 1: some of They are going to put things like no
Speaker 1: tax on tips, which was one of Trump's you know provisions,
Speaker 1: it's actually my bill. Okay, so I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: We'll put that in there, no tax on tips. There'll
Speaker 1: be extending you know, the tax cuts that all American
Speaker 1: families benefited from. If you pay taxes, that'll be in there.
Speaker 1: But I think we should put other things in there. Now.
Speaker 1: My wish list would include ending the Department of Education,
Speaker 1: you know, if we're going to think, let's think big.
Speaker 1: We should get things like the Prime Act. We should
Speaker 1: get rid of daylight savings time and I don't care
Speaker 1: whether you go to the hour before or the hour behind.
Speaker 1: Get rid of changing the clocks twice a year. That's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and Trump wants to do that. You could put that
Speaker 1: in reconciliation. But here's the big one that I'm working
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. This comes out of my committee,
Speaker 1: the Judiciary Committee. I've been talking to Senator Mike Lee
Speaker 1: about this. We all know it needs to get done.
Speaker 1: It would fundamentally change the structure of government and it
Speaker 1: would be stuck in there forever. For the good of
Speaker 1: the American people, it would restore the way our government's
Speaker 1: supposed to work, and that is get the Reins Act
Speaker 1: in the Reconciliation package Rains Act for the new listeners.
Speaker 1: He says that if the executive branch makes some kind
Speaker 1: of rule that has a large economic impact on the country,
Speaker 1: it has to come back to Congress and we have
Speaker 1: to vote on it because we are the lawmaking body.
Speaker 1: We are the authority according to the Constitution. But we've
Speaker 1: let the executive branch run wild. Make all these rules.
Speaker 1: The ATF. They're banning things, there's no constitutional basis for it.
Speaker 1: But if we had this provision the Rains Act in there,
Speaker 1: for instance, when they banned the shoulder stocks, you know stocks,
Speaker 1: and all the other stuff they try to ban. They're
Speaker 1: trying to change the definition of firearm receivers so they
Speaker 1: can ban more stuff, regulate more stuff. That would have
Speaker 1: to come back to Congress. All of those things. This
Speaker 1: is stuff the EPA does that would have to come
Speaker 1: back to Congress. When they try to declare CO two
Speaker 1: a pollutant, then we vote is it a pollutant? And
Speaker 1: people said, well, aren't you going to have more lobbyists
Speaker 1: in Congress trying to get congressmen to to influence congressman.
Speaker 1: Guess what, Brian, the lobbyist. Most of them have left Congress.
Speaker 1: They're over the executive branch, lobbying bureaucrats who aren't accountable
Speaker 1: to voters. Sure, bring those lobbyists back to Congress where
Speaker 1: they're trying to lobby people who at least have to
Speaker 1: stand in front of the American public every two years
Speaker 1: and be up for election where they're accountable to the people.
Speaker 2: All right, Anyway, that brings out, makes perfect sense, It
Speaker 2: sounds logical, reasonable. The accountability lands back in your life.
Speaker 2: You have control over the regulatory expanding and overreaching regulatory branch.
Speaker 2: It saves you five, six, eight, ten years worth of
Speaker 2: fighting it in court to get to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Who will say the same thing that you're saying, basically,
Speaker 2: are the Republicans who are against that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're going to be people in Trump's administration who
Speaker 1: will be against it. Now, I don't think Trump himself
Speaker 1: would be against it because he understod he wants a legacy,
Speaker 1: because it really does constrain the power of the executive
Speaker 1: branch and puts more power in the legislative branch. On
Speaker 1: the campaign trail, you know there were candidate Ron DeSantis
Speaker 1: committed to the Rains Act, but I didn't hear President
Speaker 1: Trump commit to the Rains Act, although I do think
Speaker 1: he would be in favor of it because he and
Speaker 1: some of his brighter staff would be in favor of it.
Speaker 1: They're going to be people working for President Trump who
Speaker 1: don't want the Rains Act because the regulations of the
Speaker 1: executive in need of scrutiny. That's what RAIN stands for,
Speaker 1: and it gives the it you know now, the president
Speaker 1: could it doesn't take away his power to undo regulations
Speaker 1: that have been put in place, in my opinion, or
Speaker 1: maybe we need to make that explicit in the Rains
Speaker 1: Act language that we're trying to get into reconciliation. But
Speaker 1: I want people listening to your show right now to
Speaker 1: know that behind the scenes, I'm trying to get some
Speaker 1: big stuff in reconciliation, and one of those things is
Speaker 1: the RAINS and I'm working with senators and other members
Speaker 1: of Congress to do that, and it's a behind the
Speaker 1: scenes battle.
Speaker 2: Well, I wish you all the best on that one.
Speaker 2: I will look forward to hearing from you in terms
Speaker 2: of the progress you're making or not, as the case
Speaker 2: may be. And bring me a list of names. I
Speaker 2: want names. I want to be able to out these people.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to embarrass them. I want
Speaker 2: to help the American people get in touch with those
Speaker 2: who are standing in the way of some sanity and
Speaker 2: RANI in the entire regular story regulatory state, which is
Speaker 2: basically liberty reducing. And that's the bottom line for me.
Speaker 2: Congressman Thomas Massey always a distinct pleasure, keep fighting a
Speaker 2: good fight and I'll look forward to hopefully some great
Speaker 2: success during this administration.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian. Well, we're gonna work hard. It's a
Speaker 1: great opportunity and we better not blow it.
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