WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.279 These guys, are you fav It's so like say subscribe 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:13.199 and rage. 4 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.199 It five star sho and me. 5 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:24.000 Rights on us today listening. Oh watchie Limb always keep 6 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:24.879 it's watching. 7 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.600 And now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo fay. 8 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.000 Hey, Big Food and Beyond folks, welcome. Bobo and I 9 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:36.439 are sitting across the table from one another here in 10 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:39.679 lovely Sandy, Oregon, where Bobo is blown through town for 11 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.119 a moment. He showed up on my doorstep like a 12 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:44.840 lost puppy about ten o'clock last night. I welcomed him in. 13 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:46.359 I put a blanket on him, got him out of 14 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:48.960 the cold wet rain, fed him. Actually, none of this 15 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:50.399 is true, except for he showed up at. 16 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.600 Ten I had I had my own blue blanket. 17 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:56.079 By the way, Oh yeah, he was ranting about your 18 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:58.679 blue blanky for a while. You mentioned it like legitimately 19 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:01.280 two or three times. And I I've known Bobo a 20 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:02.880 long time, but I don't know what the blue blanky 21 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:03.320 is about. 22 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:04.760 Tell me about it. 23 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:05.640 It's a comfort thing. 24 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:08.159 It's a comfort thing. Well, when did you first get 25 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.920 the blue blanky? Like twenty thirty years ago, thirty years ago. 26 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:16.400 A lot of DNA on that thing. Oh no, who 27 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:16.920 gave it to you? 28 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:20.799 I just bought a store for like eight bucks back 29 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:21.599 then or something like that. 30 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:22.239 It's cheap. 31 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:25.439 When it's hot out, like you know, like getting down 32 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.480 in the low sixties or something, it's and I don't 33 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:30.400 want to lay out just wearing like a T shirt 34 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:31.159 or whatever. 35 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:33.159 I just put that on it. It's perfect. 36 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:36.040 Nice and now now it's a comfort blanky. Yeah, binkie, 37 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:38.719 shall we say similars binky? 38 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:40.280 But functional as well? 39 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.079 Oh yeah, I think most binkies are rather functional. That 40 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:44.040 could be wrong about that. 41 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:45.840 I kind of think of it kind of like my 42 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.560 Hobbit cape when those guys go on the journey. 43 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:52.239 Oh right, right, guests from Laurion, Right, Lady Gladryl gave 44 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:52.920 those to the Hobbits. 45 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.280 Of course, I kind of always imagine that is mine. 46 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:56.439 That's what that was. 47 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:00.519 Well, you're passing through town. It's to have you at 48 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:00.920 the house. 49 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:03.280 But let me know what I can do for you. 50 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.680 And of course Matt, Matt's out there in Tennessee. We're 51 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.000 missing out. You should be here, man. 52 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:08.719 Yeah, it's beautiful, it's nice. 53 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:12.039 And kind of cloudy and not too hot, not too cold, 54 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:13.000 just just perfect. 55 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.639 It's like the Little Bear's porridge, right. 56 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:18.479 I wish it's been over four years since all of 57 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:20.800 us have been together, so it would be nice. Usually 58 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.080 it's just Bobo and Cliff, or me and Cliff. I 59 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:24.719 haven't seen Bobo in four years. 60 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:26.360 We got to rectify that pruite. 61 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:29.240 Yeah, I was thinking the next time I come out here, 62 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.400 I think we should just fly you out one of 63 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:33.479 these times if I know it here on a certain date, 64 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.319 and then just get a cheap ahead of time ticket 65 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:37.680 and you come out and do it live. 66 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.560 We've knock got a few of them. Let's do it. 67 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:43.120 Well, we're all here, Well, most of us are here 68 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:45.840 in person except for you, prut. What do we want 69 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:46.680 to talk about today? 70 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.520 Well, we've done a couple of deep dives on listeners 71 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.199 suggested topics. Sometimes people submit questions for the Q and 72 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:55.719 a's that are like there's no short answer for and 73 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:57.879 they really deserve a full discussion, And so we did 74 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.800 a couple of those recently that we affect referred to 75 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:04.960 as above and beyond Bigfoot and beyond discussions, And so 76 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:06.960 we had a few of those to choose from. There 77 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.080 was one that we had actually teased in a previous 78 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:12.439 episode from one of our members, Darene Myers, who had 79 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:16.400 asked us what aspects of the sasquatch subject we were 80 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.080 really interested in but we never get to talk about, 81 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:21.919 you know, like when we go on other podcasts or 82 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:26.000 we do sasquatch related interviews. As you guys know, everyone 83 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:27.719 always asks like where are the bones. 84 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:28.719 And how many do you think there are? And what 85 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.240 do you think they eat? That kind of thing. 86 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.319 But I thought it would be fun to talk about 87 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:34.840 the things that we're hyper interested in but no one 88 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:35.800 ever asks about. 89 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:39.280 And wasn't the opposite of that some sort of complementary 90 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:42.159 sort of question, like what do we hate being asked? 91 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:42.759 Was? 92 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:42.840 It? 93 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:43.960 Wasn't that part of it as well? 94 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:47.439 Yeah, originally someone had asked something along those lines, and 95 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:50.400 so like our least favorite interview questions, and so it 96 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.960 was after that discussion, I think that Doreen sent in 97 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:54.479 this question of like, well, what do you wish you 98 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:55.800 could discuss in these interviews? 99 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.120 So well, you know, I actually have a new least 100 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:03.400 favorite review question, and that question is will you do 101 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:10.400 an interview with my podcast? It's been too much lately, 102 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:12.800 so anyway, Yeah, it's that's just me being cynical or whatever. 103 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:13.560 But I don't know. 104 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:15.800 I mean, you want to start with that boba, like 105 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:17.839 what is your what is the thing that you would 106 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:22.920 want to talk about that you're almost ever asked about? 107 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:25.399 I see, Well, it's not like a big thing in 108 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:27.920 my mind. But one thing I'm interested in is what 109 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:30.879 I don't think anyone knows is like what their mating 110 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:34.560 habits are, like Hollyday, decide who goes with who, that 111 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:36.160 sort of thing, you know, how do they how do 112 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.720 they separate the studs from the not so steadily? What 113 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.680 the women find they get breeding stock, and what the 114 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.000 males do. Is if there's humanists a lot of people 115 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.920 think they are. You know, does personality have anything to 116 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:51.920 do with it? Or is it just size? Is it 117 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:54.240 just who's the biggest brood? Or is it you know, 118 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.920 this guy's a little casanova and he's got some tricks, 119 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:58.360 like he might be able to slip in and get 120 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.680 like you know, go to like behind some donut shop 121 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:03.839 and get some donuts and bringing back and we're with that. 122 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:05.759 Or is it just the big stud. 123 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:08.040 Guy that can just knock out any of others male 124 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.040 sasquatch that comes around the female he wants or females. 125 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:13.959 You know, I'd be religion to know that kind of stuff. 126 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:14.399 You know what. 127 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.120 I'd have to wonder as far as like a courtship 128 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:19.480 or something like that, if if that's the right word 129 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:23.000 for it, I don't really know, I would wonder. And 130 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:26.160 just because sasquatches, you know, there's some sort of ape species, 131 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:26.800 but so are we. 132 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:27.639 It's not a big deal. 133 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.399 We can learn a lot about apes in general by 134 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.680 looking at ourselves because we exhibit a lot of the 135 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.000 same behaviors. We have common ancestors, and a lot of 136 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.560 those behaviors are our behaviors but masked in other ways, 137 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.639 you know. And one of the things about humans that 138 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.120 is reflected I believe in sasquatches to some degree in 139 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.319 some circumstances is gift giving. You kind of have to wonder, 140 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:52.079 do you know, if if I give Melissa flowers, you 141 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:54.560 know it it makes her smile and that kind of thing, 142 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.639 and you know it helps our bond, et cetera. So 143 00:05:57.680 --> 00:05:59.560 you kind of have to wonder if sasquatches are kind 144 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:02.959 of up to same thing, you know, because they seem 145 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:06.000 to have some sort of gift giving capacity, you know, 146 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.240 to some degrees, although to be fair, their gifts kind 147 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:11.079 of are terrible. You know, there are pieces of trash 148 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:14.279 or torn up nerve footballs or something like that, something 149 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.040 that I could personally never get away with Melissa, But 150 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:19.519 you kind of have to wonder if there's anything going 151 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:23.000 on in that regard and thinking about it, there might 152 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.920 even be other parallels and ape species that I'm not 153 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:26.959 thinking of right now. 154 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:29.480 Well, like Bobo and mentioned in many of the other 155 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:33.319 ape species, it is the females are indiscriminate maters, and 156 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.079 so it's based on the dominant male. The dominant male 157 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.079 will you know, outcompete or run off the sub adults 158 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:42.560 or the males that are lower in the hierarchy, smaller, 159 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:46.120 et cetera, et cetera. Now, where that really applies that 160 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.199 we see the most often would be in large social 161 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:53.319 groups like chimpanzees and gorillas are organized into, whereas sasquatches 162 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.319 don't seem to have large social groups. You know, they 163 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.800 don't live in big groups with multiple males and multiple 164 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:02.079 females all sharing space and moving cooperating together. They seem 165 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.279 to live more like orangutans, and so I think that 166 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:07.199 model would make a lot more sense. Their social model 167 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:11.040 is I think it's pronounced nyaw or nu yal, but 168 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:13.160 it's spelled nyau. 169 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:16.319 That particular sort of social structure, which. 170 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.680 Is a lot more about maintaining and defending a given 171 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:24.600 territory than it is about maintaining or defending a harem. So, 172 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.560 you know, a male roam's a particular piece of real estate, 173 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.639 and females that occur within that real estate or wander 174 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:31.560 into that real estate. 175 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:32.399 You know, as long as the. 176 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.920 Male wards off other males, gets essentially the mating rights 177 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:40.160 for any females within that territory. And I would assume 178 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.240 that sasquatches are pretty similar just given the distribution of 179 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.439 sightings and the distribution of footprint finds, etc. I think 180 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:49.680 that makes a lot more sense than some of these 181 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.519 other more complex things that occur in large social groups. 182 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:54.319 Yeah, I agree with you. 183 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:57.480 There one thing that surprised you we've learned about orangutans 184 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.639 the last couple of years is how the. 185 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.720 Big males are. Like I didn't realize how. 186 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:06.000 Brutal they could be, Like, like what like maaming each 187 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:10.480 other and killing smaller ones? Do you know proved once 188 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:11.600 do you know to deal with that when they kill 189 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.199 as smallest, like it's not their ostream they kill it, 190 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.639 or is it just any other male that comes in 191 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.000 their territory, Like I was reading reports of them even 192 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:20.519 killing females. 193 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:21.600 That I don't know. 194 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.639 I'm not super familiar with that aspect of a ranguetam behavior, 195 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:27.160 you know, what occurs in a lot of other analogous mammals. 196 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:30.959 So perhaps that's the case. But usually, you know, they'll 197 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.919 generate those big loud, you know, the long calls, and 198 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:38.759 that's to both you know, ward off potential competitors, competitive males, 199 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.039 and to let females know that like, hey, there's a 200 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.759 big stud in the area, so to speak, so much 201 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:49.080 like a bobo's howl that wards off males and alerts 202 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:53.720 potential baits to his presence. But I'm not super familiar 203 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:57.519 with like violence that they may or may not exhibit, 204 00:08:57.799 --> 00:08:59.639 So I'll have to look into that aspect of a 205 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:01.080 range hands we know. 206 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.120 I think all these things that we're bringing up right 207 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.360 now that have kind of wandered away from the initial subject, 208 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.759 it can be fit under the umbrella of social behavior. 209 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.639 And I think that that's something that the Bigfoot community 210 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:18.120 doesn't look hard enough at just because they're there. Seems 211 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.799 like so many people are focused on, you know, are 212 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.799 they real or they've got to be real because so 213 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:26.159 many people talk about them or say they see them 214 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.759 or encounter them or you know, all those people can't 215 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:32.159 be lying. Yes, So what I'll go back. I said 216 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.000 this in my presentation a few weeks ago in Ohio. 217 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.759 If you're still if you're still wondering if they're real, 218 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:42.600 you're behind the learning curve. And in my opinion, they're 219 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:46.000 They're in my opinion, clearly real and and and the 220 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.440 evidence strongly supports that. You know, So now the question 221 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.840 is not if they are, but how they are? What 222 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.000 do they do? Where do they go, why do they 223 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.519 want to go there? What's their their motivation and doing 224 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:01.360 certain things? And I don't I don't see the robust 225 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.960 discussion that I would hope for in the Bigfoot community 226 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:08.960 about that topic, because that's what I that's what I 227 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:12.080 find most interesting about the whole thing is what they're doing. 228 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.279 I Mean, there's hundreds of them in organ right now 229 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:18.559 at this very minute, and they're all doing something. What 230 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:21.240 are those things they're doing? When people bring up the 231 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.279 Patterson Gimlin film. Yeah, sure, it's great. 232 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:23.480 You know. 233 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:24.120 I love it too. 234 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:26.240 Don't get me wrong, I don't seem to be quite 235 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.440 as hung up on it as everybody else seems to be. 236 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:30.480 But I think. 237 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.600 For me the reason is the most interesting thing about 238 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.519 the Patterson Gimlin film is what that creature was doing 239 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.519 an hour before she was filmed. By far the most 240 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:42.519 interesting thing it would be that. And I just don't 241 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:45.679 see the robust discussion that I would hope for in 242 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:49.679 the community about that. They're too hung up on are 243 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:51.720 they real or are they not? It's like such a binary, 244 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.000 you know, on off zero one sort of discussion where 245 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:59.600 you have all this fertile middle ground of like, well, okay, well, 246 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:01.519 if they are real, let's just I mean, if you're 247 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:04.279 still on that fence, then okay, sit there. But if 248 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.320 they if they are real, what would they do? Where 249 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:10.320 would they go to stay out of the way of humans? 250 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:14.440 What kind of behaviors would they exhibit in order to 251 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:18.039 be successful right on the outskirts of society? Like those 252 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.679 are the interesting questions, and those, to me also are 253 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:23.159 the questions that can actually get us somewhere. 254 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:24.720 They can help the researcher. 255 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:27.480 Remember a few weeks ago, I commented about the question 256 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:30.559 I always ask when somebody brings me something, and that 257 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:34.840 question is, now, what, well, all of these ideas, you know, 258 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:36.639 how do they do this, where do they go? What 259 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:38.799 kind of foods are they exploiting? How do they get 260 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.399 so many calories? To how facetes are metaboligy all that 261 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.000 kind of stuff is now we have something to work with. 262 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:47.080 So what can you do with that? And how will 263 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.519 that help us encounter them, see them, film them, document them, 264 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.600 et cetera. I wish more people spoke about that, honestly. 265 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:55.720 I feel you there. 266 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.039 But then we have the dual problem is that you know, 267 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.000 there's not enough people asking that question and posing it 268 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:04.279 as a question because it is an open question. So 269 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.759 you have a certain set of the audience who's not 270 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:11.480 asking that question, and another set of the commentator community 271 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.720 not asking that question because they already have all the answers. 272 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.759 You know, all is in you know, air quotes in 273 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.279 terms of like they know everything they do in every 274 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.799 single one of their habits, and you know, they've extrapolated 275 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:30.240 everything about the Sasquatch lifestyle from birth to death, and 276 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:34.960 you know, it gets so outlandish and preposterous, and you know, 277 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:38.440 I think that's as equally big a problem. I mean, 278 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.840 one of the things that I had thought about aspects 279 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:46.279 of the subject is the negative effects of over enthusiasm, 280 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:48.120 and that, to me would be one of them. It's like, 281 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.559 which is worse, the skeptical or cynical take that there 282 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.960 are no sasquatches i e. That they don't exist, i e. 283 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:00.559 That they're nowhere, or the over enthusiastic shouting from the 284 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:02.879 rooftops that they're everywhere. 285 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:07.080 You know, they're seemingly equally bad. But I actually think 286 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:08.120 the latter is worse. 287 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:12.200 I think the people that the overly enthusiastic, the people 288 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:16.279 who make too many claims in terms of absolutes that 289 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.799 you know that we get confronted with all the time. Oh, 290 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.799 I've seen them hundreds of times. I know where they are. 291 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.559 I can take you exactly to where they are, you know, 292 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:26.799 if you're worthy. You know, those sort of claims have 293 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:28.919 been around for a long time, but obviously they've gotten 294 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:32.000 more and more prevalent in the social media age. And 295 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.679 it's things like that with nothing to show for it, 296 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:38.360 no physical evidence, and no understanding of the analyzes of 297 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:41.200 existing physical evidence or the history. I think that drives 298 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.120 the skeptics and cynics further and further into their positions that, yeah, 299 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.440 they must not really be anywhere, because these people think 300 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.759 they're everywhere. And so I agree with you that not 301 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.080 enough people are asking the right questions, but they're also 302 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.720 being bombarded by people who think they have all the answers. 303 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.879 And that's part of why. Know, Unfortunately, well. 304 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:03.559 The folks that think they have all the answers, there's 305 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.120 probably some motivations for that, and some which I understand. Actually, 306 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.759 I can be kind of forgiving for some of that, 307 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.720 and not the ones that are you know, the look 308 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:15.519 at me crowds. You know, I'm not very forgiving about 309 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.000 those sort of folks because I've had a touch of 310 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.679 fame and I know what nonsense it is, and I 311 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:26.159 think it's ridiculous who would want that, honestly? But how 312 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:27.600 should I say this? I guess a good way to 313 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.799 say it is, I remember when I was young and 314 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:33.559 I knew everything too. You know, It's just as simple 315 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.480 as that. It's a matter of maturity for a lot 316 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.480 of people. You know, some people they're just hucksters or 317 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.720 their attention seekers, or they have some sort of narcissism 318 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.360 to deal with or or any number of things. You know, 319 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.879 they didn't get enough hugs from mom or dad when 320 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:50.399 they're growing up, and they did it. They're looking for 321 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.399 something else from the community in general, and they want 322 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:56.799 the attention. They want money or something, they want fame, 323 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:58.679 they want something, you know, and they're going for it, 324 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:01.039 and they don't realize that what they want probably isn't 325 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.639 what they're actually going for. But the other side of 326 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:07.320 that is, yeah, I was a young Bigfoot enthusiast, probably 327 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:11.960 to enthusiastic, honestly, like some level of addiction was probably involved. 328 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:14.639 I would imagine some sort of like I don't know, 329 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:19.440 social or mental like mental addiction, I guess to this Bigfoot. 330 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:19.519 Thing, you know. 331 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.159 And again I remember when I was in my twenties 332 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.519 or something like that, and I knew everything too. But 333 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.039 that's just a matter of maturity and growing older and 334 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:32.759 slowing down and realizing that I, you know, you just 335 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:37.799 don't stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff 336 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:46.039 and Bobo will be right back after these messages. 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Prescription required. See website for full details, 368 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:25.599 restrictions and important safety information. 369 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:29.559 I think I said it in Ohio last week. I 370 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.759 said very clearly, like I don't really know that much 371 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:35.799 about sasquatches. I have some ideas, I have some things 372 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:37.759 that I think are probably true, but I don't really 373 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:40.200 know that much at all about them. 374 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:41.440 I just like to learn. 375 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:42.279 Well. 376 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:44.559 That to me is the difference between saying like, well, 377 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:50.839 they probably do this based on this massive repository of testimonies, 378 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:54.759 supported by some of the trace evidence, and from looking 379 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:58.720 at the lifestyles of other apes and other animals that 380 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:02.440 live similar lifestyles. So here's a reasonable inference that we 381 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.559 could make, or at least a starting point when we're 382 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.559 trying to build a model of what Sasquatches do with 383 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.680 regards to X, Y or c. That's just so different 384 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.480 than saying Sasquatches always do this, or they definitely do this, 385 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.440 or this is exactly how they That's a huge difference. 386 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:20.119 That's where you kind of can incorporate for a little 387 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.920 more like a viewpoint is well, literally, we know about 388 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:29.279 the archaic, archaic, ancient hominin, you know, our ancestors, like 389 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.039 what we know about them, and which isn't a lot. 390 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:33.519 But when you mix set in with what we know 391 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.680 about modern day primates and like you know, the uncontacted 392 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:39.119 tribes and that sort of stuff, you get it. 393 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:41.200 You get kind of a more rounded picture. 394 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:44.160 Oh, I totally agree with that, and that to me 395 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.839 is the big difference between you know, us speculating, and 396 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.720 it's hopefully informed speculation based not only in the sasquatch data, 397 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:57.559 but in relevant related data versus the people that are 398 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.680 out there that will tell you you know, everything about 399 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:04.440 a sasquatch in terms of absolutes and what they always 400 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.640 do and what they never do, you know, these kind 401 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:10.440