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Speaker 1: Let's let's begin with Saturday afternoon and Derek Chesaura's victory

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Speaker 1: surprising how good he was late in the fight at

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Speaker 1: forty years of age. What do you make of this?

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Speaker 1: He gets the win over Joe Joyce. I believe it's deserved.

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to agree, But there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of reaction to what we saw with these guys banging

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Speaker 2: Well, I think when we talked about this fight going

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Speaker 2: you know, sloppy, old guy kind of fight. That's exactly

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Speaker 2: but I thought he had sa soora. His legs were

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Speaker 2: gone for so many rounds in the middle of the fight,

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Speaker 2: So I thought that he did enough to get the win.

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Speaker 2: It's not like I thought he blew him out or

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Speaker 2: it really could have been, you know, a fight where

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Speaker 2: no cred, no problem with Tassara got the win ninety

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Speaker 1: Yea, when Chesaora got the knockdown in the ninth round.

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Speaker 1: He were beaten up at that point. But Bernardo Azuna

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Speaker 2: mean they could have made this a sixteen by sixteen ring,

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Speaker 1: I could have fought on my living room rough yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean the first round was. I mean, it wasn't slow,

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what we expected. Uh, there was there there. Listen.

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Speaker 2: Derek Chsaa, both of them have received a lot of punishment. Now,

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Speaker 2: Chisora was real specific. He wants two more fights. He

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Speaker 2: He wants two more fights. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: What about the argument, And I think it's a valid

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Speaker 2: I mean they passed medicals sore.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Joyce is in a position where you

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Speaker 2: do you draw the lines?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: You need to go through medical processes and all that,

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Speaker 1: Where does Joyce go at this point, when he's now

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Speaker 2: It's not about the fast track because there's no hurry

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Speaker 2: And he's definitely a put it like this. I don't

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Speaker 1: Check that guy out. Even if you didn't see the fight,

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Speaker 1: I will playfully say to you, we do the bet

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Speaker 1: We illuminated this. This is a mismatch. But my lord,

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Speaker 1: They let it go on. She got hit with kind

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Speaker 2: I mean, when we do the picks and you think

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Speaker 1: Completely overmatched, obvious, obviously completely overmatched.

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Speaker 2: for de Owne, mentioned it that one of the members

427
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Speaker 2: of the corner of La Pay of Joanie was on

428
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Speaker 2: the ring apron getting ready to throw the towel in

429
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Speaker 2: and then the one last right hand came in and

430
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Speaker 2: knocked her down for the third time, at which point

431
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Speaker 2: the ref stopped to fight. But it was going to

432
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Speaker 2: be a corner stoppage most likely anyway, because she just

433
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Speaker 2: you know, the first round not a lot happened. She

434
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Speaker 2: did take a couple of shots at the right end

435
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Speaker 2: of the round, but nothing else much was going on

436
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Speaker 2: that round. I think Claressa she even said, I only had

437
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Speaker 2: like two punches in the first round, and then the

438
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Speaker 2: third round, you know, you saw what happened. She took

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Speaker 2: her out. Now, I just want to go back and

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Speaker 2: briefly explain about the whole heavyweight thing because I've seen

441
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Speaker 2: confusion about it on Twitter and this and that. So

442
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Speaker 2: going into this fight, Claressa Shields was the undisputed it

443
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Speaker 2: still is the undisputed middleweight champion. She's previously been an

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Speaker 2: undisputed champion in the junior middleweight division. She had unified

445
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Speaker 2: titles in the super middleweight division. She had come down

446
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,839
Speaker 2: and wait and then gone back up to middleweight. So

447
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Speaker 2: now she comes into this fight to fight for Joe

448
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Speaker 2: Nice's WBC heavyweight title. Also at stake was the vacant

449
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Speaker 2: WBO light heavyweight title, so we hear light heavyweight title,

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Speaker 2: heavyweight title. I have people questioning that she win a

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Speaker 2: title in a fourth and fifth weight class, and they

452
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Speaker 2: were using the example. I think actually Corey Erbman even

453
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Speaker 2: said it, although I think he you know, he made

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Speaker 2: a mistake, to be quite honest, that it was a

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Speaker 2: you know kind of like he equated to Sugar Ray

456
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Speaker 2: Leonard and Don Lalane when Ray Leonard won two belts

457
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Speaker 2: in different weight classes on the same night because the

458
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Speaker 2: weight for the fight was one sick whatever. So he

459
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Speaker 2: won the super mid aweight title and a light heavyweight title.

460
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Speaker 2: This is not the same situation. The WBC calls it's

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Speaker 2: women's heavyweight division heavyweight, even though the weight limit is

462
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Speaker 2: still one hundred and seventy five pounds, the same way

463
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Speaker 2: all other traditional light heavyweight limits are in boxing. So

464
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Speaker 2: she got two belts in the same uh weight division

465
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Speaker 2: in terms of what the max was, but they're just

466
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Speaker 2: called different things. It's similar to like some organizations call

467
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Speaker 2: it super welterweight, others would call it junior midleway. It's

468
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Speaker 2: the same number of pounds you're allowed, they just call

469
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Speaker 2: it a different thing. So, you know, they love to

470
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Speaker 2: say she's the heavyweight champ of the world. Okay, yeah,

471
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Speaker 2: but it's she's the light heavyweight champ.

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Speaker 1: So my question, the WBO has a heavyweight title, and

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Speaker 1: what is the weight limit at the heavy at heweight limit?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand on that.

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Speaker 2: Well. First of all, heavyweight boxing and women's boxing is

476
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Speaker 2: highly unusual.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Basically, there was if there was a fighter in a

479
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Speaker 2: title fight over one seventy five. I don't know if

480
00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: they call it cruiserweight because they don't think they have

481
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Speaker 2: a lot of activity in those divisions anyway. There's like

482
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Speaker 2: less than a couple of dozen women in these weight

483
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Speaker 2: classes in the world. So again, I have nothing but

484
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Speaker 2: respect for everything that Claressa has done in her boxing,

485
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Speaker 2: but let's not equate this to you know, Manny pak

486
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Speaker 2: Yaw winning titles and eight weight classes and literally going

487
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Speaker 2: up to scale and doing it.

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Speaker 1: You know she did.

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Speaker 2: I mean all credit to her. She did move up

490
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Speaker 2: to divisions from where she currently fights at, but she

491
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Speaker 2: won titles at one seventy five. The word heavyweight is misleading,

492
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Speaker 2: is all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And this was very similar to seven days earlier Amanda

494
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Speaker 1: Serrano and Stevie Morgan, which wasn't fou title that was worse,

495
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Speaker 1: but still I mean this, this woman had very little

496
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Speaker 1: in return same thing, and she's allegedly a world champion,

497
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: very little experience, didn't do anything in return when Claressa

498
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,319
Speaker 1: Shields started to hit her, didn't know how to grab.

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Speaker 2: This was this was this was an opportunistic move. Sure

500
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Speaker 2: she saw there's a title. I don't blame I'm not mad.

501
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't blame her. I'd do the same thing if

502
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Speaker 2: I was her management or promoter. No, this is not

503
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: no negativity, but the reality, the just the factual information

504
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Speaker 2: is she she there was, this was out there and

505
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Speaker 2: there was not like she was ducking somebody else to fight,

506
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Speaker 2: Uh Joanie. It's not like there was some other you know,

507
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Speaker 2: huge fight or some other you know, stalking opponent that's

508
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Speaker 2: been chasing after her and she was kind of ignoring her.

509
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Speaker 2: But this is not David Benabtez against Canelo Alvarez type situation.

510
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Speaker 2: You know, she already beats Savanna Marshall, she already beat

511
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Speaker 2: uh you know, Cruise Dessern, She already beat you know,

512
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Speaker 2: the other top women that had belts in and around

513
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Speaker 2: her weight classes. So uh, you know, and she made

514
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Speaker 2: it very clear in the post fight conversation that you know,

515
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Speaker 2: they'll look for the biggest fight that she can have

516
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Speaker 2: if she if she's gonna fight in uh the one

517
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Speaker 2: seventy five and there's something that makes sense. Fine, if

518
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Speaker 2: she needs to go back down to sixty eight for

519
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: something interesting, go back and defend the undisputed in the

520
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Speaker 2: middleweight division. Uh, you know, she's opened for it. What

521
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Speaker 2: is interesting though, is this was her first fight in

522
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Speaker 2: thirteen months, not because she was injured or having a

523
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,519
Speaker 2: problem or anything like that, but her last fight was

524
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Speaker 2: in MMA, because she's an MMA fighter too. She's now

525
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: two to one in the PFL. She come off a

526
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Speaker 2: win that was on one of their cards earlier this year,

527
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Speaker 2: which was I believe the very first women's mixed martial

528
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Speaker 2: arts about in Saudi Arabia, and so she's been training

529
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: all along, but now she came back to the boxing

530
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Speaker 2: ring to do this fight. She got a good crowd

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Speaker 2: there near her hometown. The fight was in Detroit. She's

532
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Speaker 2: from Flint, and they showed all the you know, the

533
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Speaker 2: boxing royalty and all the people from the Detroit area

534
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Speaker 2: that came out to support her. So, look, she's got

535
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Speaker 2: a good little business going. She's making good money. She's

536
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Speaker 2: got money coming in for the fights in the PFL.

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Speaker 2: She's doing main events and winning titles and boxing. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm happy for her. Good for her and.

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Speaker 1: You love the trivia nuggets. The last KO was almost

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Speaker 1: seven years to the day, I know obvious. August fourth,

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen at the MGM Grand in Detroit. She beat

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Speaker 1: a fighter named Nikki Adler by fifth round TKO. Seven

543
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Speaker 1: years in between knockouts in world title fights. I would

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Speaker 1: love to know, out of those names you were listing

545
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Speaker 1: or others, how many of them go seven years in

546
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Speaker 1: between knockouts. Maybe they might go a knockout and then

547
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Speaker 1: never another knockout again in their world championship career. But

548
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Speaker 1: to go seven years between knockouts, that would be a

549
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Speaker 1: fun one, just to deep dive and go down the

550
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Speaker 1: rabbit hole and look on that. So she gets the KO,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what's next for her. Just one quick mention,

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Speaker 1: Michelle Rivera, we did handicap this on the bet Us show.

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Speaker 1: He wins and I thought was impressive. I saw some

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Speaker 1: of that fight. I've seen the highlights. But here we

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Speaker 1: go again, and we don't have to go forever where

556
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Speaker 1: Hugo roll Dan gets knocked down in the ninth or

557
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Speaker 1: in the ninth or the tenth round was at the

558
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Speaker 1: last round. I'm trying to remember whatever he got knocked

559
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Speaker 1: out late in the fight and roll, Dan still got

560
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Speaker 1: announced having won one of the two scorecards. When I'm

561
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Speaker 1: telling you, for what I saw of the fight, he

562
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Speaker 1: did not win six of those ten rounds. He did not.

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Speaker 2: It was just a hot, hot garbage scorecards.

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Speaker 1: Carol, the other two of the other Rivera winning easily

565
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Speaker 1: like nine to one and eight to two, and then

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Speaker 1: one of the judges actual Dan winning six rounds. So luckily,

567
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: like you like to say, the right guy one. Michelle

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Speaker 1: Rivera is still an interesting name at one in the

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Speaker 1: co feature and we'll see what happens after that. But

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Speaker 1: a comedy comedy.

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Speaker 2: Scorecard, comedy comedy, and nothing will happen because you know

572
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Speaker 2: what for which used to be a glorious boxing area

573
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Speaker 2: of this country in Michigan, you know, specifically Detroit, their

574
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,039
Speaker 2: commission just is basically a non existent. They do a

575
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Speaker 2: terrible job regulating. Uh, there's so many issues there. It's

576
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Speaker 2: a miracle these events even take place.

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Speaker 1: Wow, And there's somebody that would know that's saying that.

578
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Speaker 1: How about that? Coming strong on the fight Preak Night

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Speaker 1: recap podcast. You want some more of Dan Rayfield, as

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Speaker 1: we have mentioned, coming up Saturday night, Dan will be

581
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Speaker 1: their ringside. Is Real Madramoff will defend the WBA Junior

582
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Speaker 1: Middleweight title against Terrence Crawford. It is fight Week coming

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Speaker 1: this week week in Los Angeles and the Riots season

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Speaker 1: pay per view event. But you do not have to

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Speaker 1: wait to hear from Madramov later this week. You can

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Speaker 1: hear from him now. Now I should say on the

587
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Speaker 1: front end, he is from Uzbekistan, speaks very little English,

588
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Speaker 1: a little bit of English. You're gonna hear in this

589
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: interview through the magic of the technology and what we

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Speaker 1: do in the editing of it. You're gonna hear the

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Speaker 1: answers in his native tongue, but you're also gonna hear

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Speaker 1: the translated answer on top of that, so you're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear the translator as well. Magic of the podcast. Raphael

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Speaker 1: coming up you with Israel Madramov right now about fighting

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Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford and much more. Let's go to that now.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome to our podcast this week.

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00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: It's the newly crowned WBA Jingior Middleway Champ of the World,

598
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Speaker 2: Israel Madromov. He is gonna be defending his title for

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Speaker 2: the first time against the pound for pound King Terrence Crawford,

600
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Speaker 2: the unified welterweight champion, that will take place August third,

601
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Speaker 2: the Read Season pay per view card at BMO Stadium

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, Israel. Thank you so much for doing this.

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00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: How are you doing and preparing for what has to

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Speaker 2: be by far the big fight of your career so far?

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Speaker 4: I am feeling great. I know is my dream coming

606
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Speaker 4: through because I'm happy.

607
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: So your first title defense, A lot of guys would

608
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: opt for a showcase kind of fight. Maybe not the

609
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: stiffest opponent in the world. Some fighters have to make

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Speaker 2: mandatory defenses. Israel maginemve is fighting Terrence Crawford. A lot

611
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Speaker 2: of people think he's number one in the world. So

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Speaker 2: my question is, what was it that made you decide

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Speaker 2: to take the hardest possible fight that you could have

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Speaker 2: in your first defense? Is it the money? Maybe some

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00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:52,599
Speaker 2: other reason?

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Speaker 3: You know, my goal since I turned professional was always

617
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Speaker 3: to fight the best fighters. Since I got in the pros,

618
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:07,839
Speaker 3: I asked for the best names, toughest opponents, and world championships,

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Speaker 3: whichever is available. If it's the best guy with the

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Speaker 3: best name, we'll go for him. If it's the world titles,

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Speaker 3: it's a world title. If we cannot get the world title,

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Speaker 3: I want the best name and the toughest fight possible.

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Speaker 3: You can ask all the matchmakers and everyone will always

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Speaker 3: pick and choose the toughest guy available. And in my

625
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:33,759
Speaker 3: looking at my amateur career, I can like people can say, oh,

626
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Speaker 3: he never won the Olympic Games, but you know I

627
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,839
Speaker 3: beat three three times. I beat the two time Olympic champion,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 4: So I didn't want the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: But I beat the guy who won the Olympics twice,

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Speaker 3: you know, and I beat him three times. So it's

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00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,839
Speaker 3: it all comes down to facing the best guys available

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Speaker 3: and the best names, just for your legacy, just for

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Speaker 3: you know, to prove yourself. But with Terrence, opportunities like that,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's one in the life time, once in a

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Speaker 3: lifetime opportunity. And I would never say no to fight

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Speaker 3: like that. It was my dream fight I was. I

638
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:10,319
Speaker 3: was dreaming about this fight. I didn't thought that it

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Speaker 3: might happen because the gap is too big of a

640
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:15,839
Speaker 3: gap in between us, you know, the where I'm at

641
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,359
Speaker 3: in my career, where he's at in his career. But

642
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: thank god we're here now, and you know, I get

643
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: this opportunity, you know, to test myself against the very best.

644
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,359
Speaker 2: Remind me who was that fighter that you defeated. The

645
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: amateurs that won the gold medal.

646
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: Well, well one of them.

647
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:39,119
Speaker 3: He's the world champion, The two time Olympic champion is

648
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: Arlen Lopez. Isroel beat him twice. They faced each other twice.

649
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: Israel beat him twice, and many more.

650
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,119
Speaker 2: All the all the.

651
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: Top amateurs at his way class like pretty much at

652
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,039
Speaker 3: his generation and time, he beat them all.

653
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,319
Speaker 2: Okay, so you won your world title, the WBA title

654
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: at one hundred and fifty four pounds in professive performance,

655
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: a fifth round knockout against Magna mat Kurbanov that took

656
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: place on a high profile card when Anthony Joshua fought

657
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: Francis and Gan who back in March. I wondered, just

658
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: thinking back to that, what was what was your thoughts

659
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,359
Speaker 2: about your performance and what were your emotions like winning

660
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: the title that you'd worked so hard to get.

661
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's such a it's such a long

662
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: and dramatic story for me because.

663
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 4: I had six final title.

664
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:40,559
Speaker 3: Eliminators, you know, out of my ten fights, all ten

665
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,359
Speaker 3: fights were WBA.

666
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:54,279
Speaker 2: Ten, you know, so it's been on the long.

667
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,039
Speaker 4: To get to that together.

668
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: So the every time I will probably find eliminator and

669
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: that a fight because we were mandatory, you know, so

670
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,319
Speaker 3: we every time had to wait on the decision made,

671
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,839
Speaker 3: you know, and from the sanctioning buddy. So at the

672
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,559
Speaker 3: end of the day, they gave us the fight number

673
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: one against number two ranked, and it was another hard

674
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: story to make that fight happen. It was supposed to

675
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,279
Speaker 3: happen three times, and every time we didn't know if

676
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:18,279
Speaker 3: the fight is going to happen, was supposed to happen

677
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,599
Speaker 3: in one country, another country, third country, you know.

678
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,519
Speaker 4: So third times the charm had happened. And I'm very

679
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: happy that I achieved.

680
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: That's one of my goals, just to like the first

681
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: step into my goals is to become a world champion.

682
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: I achieved that and now I have many more coming up.

683
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: Now. Before you fought Kurbanov, there was kind of a

684
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,519
Speaker 2: lot of drama around that fight before he was even

685
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,119
Speaker 2: sayingtioned for the title. First, Charlotte, you know, became the

686
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,759
Speaker 2: champion in recess, but you were dealing with the thing

687
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:50,599
Speaker 2: about a week before the fight where one are your

688
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,759
Speaker 2: medical reports came back where there was they said there

689
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:55,799
Speaker 2: was a problem with your brain scanned. It turned out

690
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,359
Speaker 2: that wasn't true and there was no issue. But for

691
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: a for a little while, the fight was sort of

692
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,319
Speaker 2: in uh was actually in take place. So order, how

693
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,039
Speaker 2: concerned were you that the fight would not happen and

694
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,279
Speaker 2: also about the possibility maybe you might have some kind

695
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:12,039
Speaker 2: of health problem, even though it turned out not to

696
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:12,759
Speaker 2: be an issue.

697
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's that's another part of it.

698
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: So after all the troubles that we had with that fight,

699
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: then the week before the fight, we all already were

700
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,039
Speaker 3: supposed to leave.

701
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,519
Speaker 4: We were at the airport and they called us that they're.

702
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: Pulling off the US from the fight from the flights

703
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: because of some issue with the with the EMRII, which

704
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: ended up being absolute nonsense, because like the whole team

705
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: got confused right away.

706
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: So we were like, hey, we're not going to risk

707
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 4: the health or something.

708
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,119
Speaker 3: So the doctor went through did the wrong summary and

709
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: he just he just did the wrong summary and that's it.

710
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: Even even the EMRII itself it was good.

711
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,359
Speaker 3: So we went to three different doctors, send EMRIS to

712
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:05,119
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, Germany, and England, and all three were evaluated

713
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,679
Speaker 3: by the doctors the world class doctors from the boxing

714
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,599
Speaker 3: and everyone, and no one could find anything.

715
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:12,159
Speaker 4: So that's what happened.

716
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: But that played out for me to actually leave u

717
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,679
Speaker 3: Uzbekistan and arrived at the day of weigh ins at night,

718
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,079
Speaker 3: you know, So I came in, cut the last couple pounds,

719
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: made the way, went to sleep, woke up, and went

720
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: to fight, you know. So everything was a little bit

721
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:33,039
Speaker 3: messed up. It was, you know, a lot of things

722
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: to conquer. But at the end of the day, I

723
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: think I'm a religious person, you know, I stay calm

724
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: and whatever is going to happen is going to happen.

725
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: And they played out that we got into the ring,

726
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 3: and that's all I wanted, you know, just to step

727
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: in that ring and get my opportunity.

728
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure glad everything was okay with you. Now

729
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: that was your last fight. Now you go into what

730
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,079
Speaker 2: will only be your twelve professional fight, and I wonder

731
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: you're confident. Obviously you had a big amateur career, you

732
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: are a world champion currently and I just wonder, though,

733
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,639
Speaker 2: in only your twelve fight, what what do you think

734
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,119
Speaker 2: makes you ready to deal with somebody like Terrence Crawford,

735
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: who's forty to oh, it was a lot of people's

736
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: number one pounds, four pounds, one titles and three weight

737
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,599
Speaker 2: classes and very very experience, you know.

738
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,159
Speaker 4: And then like you're in boxing, so you know how

739
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: it works.

740
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,599
Speaker 3: You know, people come in and they building records by

741
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: beating some people that maybe do not belong in the

742
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: ring at all. I had not experienced that. I came

743
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,639
Speaker 3: in my debut. We were in talks with HBO to

744
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,119
Speaker 3: make my debut against the world champion at that time

745
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 3: one fifty four pounds Timi Mungia, and you know, I'm

746
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,039
Speaker 3: a I'm a risk taker.

747
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 4: That's what I wanted for my debut, you know.

748
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: And there was a negotiations which obviously didn't played out

749
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:56,159
Speaker 3: to be a done deal. So we went to whoever

750
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,119
Speaker 3: was available at that time, the toughest guy who just

751
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: beat top prospect at that time back to back. They

752
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 3: give us Vladimir heir Nandez for the debut. You know,

753
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: he was sanctioned by WBA, and they give us a

754
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: first fight ten rounder against him. And all my fights

755
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 3: were like that, like who's the toughest guy is available?

756
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: You know this guy or you know, like we would

757
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:22,079
Speaker 3: look for the toughest options. So most of the guys

758
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: were talking about as the greats. First there are twenty fights,

759
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: were just stepping into the ring and punching someone who

760
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:29,599
Speaker 3: will go down, you know, like Terrence Crawford and his

761
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,039
Speaker 3: first twenty fights haven't faced anyone. You know, I faced

762
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: the hundreds of international, experienced, world class fighters in amateurs.

763
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,559
Speaker 3: So for everyone who's in boxing and who really knows boxing,

764
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 3: people who's coming in from that much of a boxing

765
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,119
Speaker 3: background doesn't need twenty thirty fights. You know, I believe

766
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: the Terrence is the best fighter in the.

767
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 4: World right now.

768
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,639
Speaker 3: But I believe that I you know, if I don't

769
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: challenge myself against the best, So what's the reason for

770
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: being in boxing? You know, if you get an opportunity

771
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: to fight the guy like that, and the confidence comes

772
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: from the numbers, you know, it's not just in my

773
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,079
Speaker 3: head that oh I'm confident. No, I've been there, I

774
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 3: know what is it? You know, I've been with the

775
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: best guys. I think I actually beat one of the

776
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: toughest and best guys in the division in Michelle Sorow.

777
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: People underestimate him, but I think that even today he

778
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,119
Speaker 3: gives a hell of a fight to whoever is it

779
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: Crawford or whoever else, you know, and I fought him

780
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: in my seventh or eighth fight, you know, so my

781
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: confidence is always there, but I also have something to

782
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: back it up.

783
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: So when you look at the matchup, what is it

784
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: that you feel like that you do really well that

785
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: you need to do to win the fight, and also

786
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: what is it that you need to do to take

787
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: away from Terrence Crawford to not allow him to do

788
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,679
Speaker 2: to you.

789
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to predict and say something exactly

790
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:58,639
Speaker 3: you know what we're going to do.

791
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 4: But we have a game plan. We have plan on

792
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: what we have to do when we have to do it.

793
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: But as you know, like getting into the ring, and

794
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: the ring dictates its own rules, you know, like I

795
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen inside the ring, how

796
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,119
Speaker 3: he'll react to me, how I react to him, how

797
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:18,559
Speaker 3: the power.

798
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,559
Speaker 4: Strength and everything. You know, So it's going to play

799
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:21,039
Speaker 4: it out there.

800
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 3: We have a couple plans, and God bless God, God

801
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: willing it will work out the way we want it

802
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: to and the way we plan it to.

803
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 4: But we'll be ready, you know.

804
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: The goal for us do not allow Terence Crawford do

805
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: his best things you know, and to try to do

806
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,559
Speaker 3: our best things, you know, no matter what he's going

807
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,559
Speaker 3: to do. So it's going to play it out on

808
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,159
Speaker 3: who's uh, you know, who's probably game plan is gonna

809
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,159
Speaker 3: prevail that night.

810
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: So I wanted to wrap up with this because you

811
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: you live and train in southern California. It's almost, I guess,

812
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: like a home game for you. Since it's in Los Angeles,

813
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,599
Speaker 2: you don't have to travel anywhere. I know, you're really

814
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: proud of being Fromkistan, and they haven't had a lot

815
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: of world in their history. So I wonder how big

816
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: as far as you know, how big of a deal

817
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 2: is this fight their champion, it's taking on Terrence property.

818
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 4: It's a very big deal. In Uzbekistan.

819
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,159
Speaker 3: We have a great support in our country like they

820
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: support us, uh, you know a lot since since the

821
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 3: amateur boxing and the boxing is one of the top

822
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: sports in Uzbekistan.

823
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:40,199
Speaker 4: The fans are crazy.

824
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: They love the sport, and right now this fight is

825
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,519
Speaker 3: something special because something like that never happened. None of

826
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: Huzkistani boxers ever faced pun best fighter in the world.

827
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: Plus people know Terrence also because he went to Uzbekistan,

828
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: people know him over there too.

829
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,519
Speaker 4: People know how great of a boxer he is.

830
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: So now I get support from from anywhere, from from

831
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: the boxing fans, from my friends, from the family, from government,

832
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: from everyone.

833
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 4: You know. Everyone is very excited.

834
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: Everyone is wishing me the best, you know, like people

835
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:18,199
Speaker 3: coming from flowing from all over the world to the fight,

836
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,599
Speaker 3: you know, to support me. And it's a it's a

837
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:25,599
Speaker 3: very big and important fight for Rezbekistan, and I have

838
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: opportunity to do something not just for myself, not just

839
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: for my legacy, but also for the history of Uzbekistan,

840
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 3: do something that will never be for goutter.

841
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: Well, Israel. I wish you the best of luck in

842
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: the fight. Also, I thank very much for your time.

843
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:44,159
Speaker 2: I also want to say thank you to our excellent

844
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,119
Speaker 2: interpreter Alico for low Thank you Aleco for taking care

845
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:50,039
Speaker 2: of this today. I wish you guys the best August third,

846
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: Thank you very much and.

847
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 4: We'll see you soon.

848
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: Have a good day, all right. Very interesting because so

849
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: much is being made about Crawford's return first fight this

850
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: year that it's you know, almost a given that he's

851
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,639
Speaker 1: gonna win this fight. You heard from Madromov there about

852
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: what he hopes to do. You have an interesting story,

853
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: by the way, going all the way back to the

854
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: beginning of his career and one of his first fights

855
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:14,639
Speaker 1: and you encountering him, and he actually remembers this, So

856
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,199
Speaker 1: go ahead.

857
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm how interesting it is.

858
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,159
Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting because you met the guy

859
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: a few years ago, right at the beginning of his career.

860
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,119
Speaker 2: Go yeah. So, I mean he had turnpro at the

861
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: end of twenty eighteen. And by the way, he turned

862
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: pro against like a real guy, Vladimir hernandez Gol. Look

863
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: him up. He's pulled some upsets. He's a very solid fighter.

864
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,559
Speaker 2: But in his second professional fight, Madromov, who was a

865
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,559
Speaker 2: top amateur even though he was not didn't go to

866
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: the Olympics. He fought on an undercart at the turning

867
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,199
Speaker 2: Stone Casino in New York, up State New York when

868
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: the main event was Dimitri Bivol against Joe Smith. Bevol

869
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,599
Speaker 2: and Madromov share that Dean Cornilov as their manager, so

870
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: he fought on that undercart. So I had gone to

871
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: turning Stone to cover that fight for ESPN, and I

872
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: can remember, you know, I had my credential on it,

873
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,519
Speaker 2: and I remember I recognized him facially, and I didn't

874
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,119
Speaker 2: think he spoke any English. So he does speak a

875
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: little bit English, as I come to find out. But

876
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: as it turned out, we're getting the elevator to go,

877
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,079
Speaker 2: we're both going upstairs to our rooms. This is like

878
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: after like the press conference or wherever. This is like

879
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,199
Speaker 2: the second day I got there, and Uh, I recognized him.

880
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:15,119
Speaker 2: He kind of recognized me, and we like introduced ourselves

881
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: and I was rather surprised me. We started to speak

882
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: to me in some English and we had like a

883
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,639
Speaker 2: good little laugh about it. And so, you know, i'd

884
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:22,119
Speaker 2: been to some of his other fights, because he'd been

885
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:25,199
Speaker 2: on some big undercards. Uh, you know as they bringing

886
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: him up. Uh, you know, fought on like a triple

887
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,039
Speaker 2: G undercard and which I was at when he fought

888
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,559
Speaker 2: Steve Rowles and et cetera. Uh. And so you know,

889
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: we made mention of that. You don't hear it on

890
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 2: the interview because we're just made a little small talk

891
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: before we did the interview, and uh, he remembered that.

892
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,519
Speaker 2: I remembered that, and we just you know, he's a

893
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,599
Speaker 2: very likable The point here is he's a he's a

894
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 2: very likable guy. Mag him off. Uh and uh comes

895
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: from a hard background as do many fighters in the world,

896
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,159
Speaker 2: but you know, the the in thews Bekistan and not

897
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: exactly the easiest situation. And h he goes from basically

898
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: being anonymous winning the title against Matt against kurbanat Kerb

899
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: and back in March in Saudi Arabia cut catch the

900
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,119
Speaker 2: eye of a lot of people. And that was a

901
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: very good performance. That was when the main event that

902
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,199
Speaker 2: night was the fight between Anthony Joshua and Francis Naganu.

903
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,159
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I give him respect. He's not

904
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: going to take a soft touch first defense. He's not

905
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: going for some homecoming showcase fight. He's not going for,

906
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: you know, a mandatory opponent. You never heard of guys

907
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: jumping in the ring with the number one fighter in

908
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,639
Speaker 2: boxing pound for pound, you know, certainly among the top

909
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: couple guys, however you put them in whatever order. I'll

910
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,199
Speaker 2: just say this on paper, you may look at him

911
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: and see he's got a very inexperienced level of professional

912
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,559
Speaker 2: experience in terms of number of fights ten oh to one.

913
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: And the draw, you know, was a technical draw because

914
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,639
Speaker 2: you know, in the United States it would have been

915
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: a no contest anyway, do not take his his record

916
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,519
Speaker 2: with that little experience professionally that somehow he's a soft

917
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: touch for Terrence Crawford. While I think most people think

918
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: that Terrence Crawford is going to win the fight, I

919
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: do believe that Najamov is going to be in a

920
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,519
Speaker 2: situation to give Crawford at least some competition.

921
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: Excellent hustle. Our thanks to the translator as well for

922
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: that interview.

923
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: You did a great job, by the way, as you hear.

924
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,559
Speaker 1: It's his native Uzbek language.

925
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: And give a shout out to I'll give a shout

926
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: out to my man Bernie Barmesol, who was the publicist

927
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: that works with a lot of the clients that that

928
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:25,559
Speaker 2: dem Cornolav manages and you know, was able to put

929
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:27,679
Speaker 2: that together, get the translator, make sure everything works.

930
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: So that was great and you heard from him both

931
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:34,199
Speaker 1: on that. So again, Madramov Crawford Headlines in Los Angeles.

932
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: Dan will be out there later this week. All right,

933
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: let me back up a step because we still have

934
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: oh can I say it with a straight voice, We

935
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,519
Speaker 1: still have a little bit of a recap here because

936
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:49,039
Speaker 1: Manny Pakiaw was back in an exhibition on Sunday. Actually,

937
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: as we released this podcast Sunday in Japan Sunday morning,

938
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,039
Speaker 1: US time, Sunday night in Japan, and my man Raypael

939
00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:01,199
Speaker 1: has it word for word on the run down. Looked

940
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: terrible in his three round exhibition fight with Suzuki. What

941
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: are we doing here? Is he? Is he? What you

942
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: saw it? I have not? I did? What about it?

943
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 2: So he was fighting at the Saitama Super Arena in Japan,

944
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: right outside of Tokyo, you know, big arena, and so

945
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: it's the rising card. They're the one they do a

946
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: lot of MMA events. But they've done Floyd Mayweather an

947
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: exhibition against Tension Backs several years ago, and they put

948
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: these types of events on and he went in there

949
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: with Chihiro Suzuki, who is a Japanese kickboxer, was a

950
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,519
Speaker 2: three round welterweight exhibition and you know, Pakao has wanted

951
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: to make money and also get himself in a position

952
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,039
Speaker 2: where maybe he can get himself a big fight in

953
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 2: terms of coming back to the boxing ring. Remember, there

954
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: was a lot of conversation about the possibility they Connor

955
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: Ben fight that didn't come to pass because Connor was

956
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: still suspended, still is suspended or doesn't have a license

957
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:56,119
Speaker 2: at the present time. There's no conversation about with the

958
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: PBC and with the Pacyaos team about trying to do maybe,

959
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: uh for pack you had to challenge the WBC title

960
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: holder Mario Barrios for you know, for a fight at

961
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: the end of this year. Well, I know it was

962
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: only three on exhibition, but he's fighting a kickboxer, and

963
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: I'll just say time waits for an no man. You know,

964
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,199
Speaker 2: he looked slow, he looked old, he looked tentative. He

965
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: took a lot of punches unnecessarily. In my opinion, it

966
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:26,039
Speaker 2: didn't score the fight because it was an exhibition. But

967
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,679
Speaker 2: let's be honest. You know, I know it was only

968
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: three rounds, and certainly in an actual professional champion of

969
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 2: fight that scheduled for twelve, you know, a lot of

970
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,159
Speaker 2: shit can happen between round four and twelve. But just

971
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,599
Speaker 2: looking at the three rounds, he probably lost all three

972
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:40,679
Speaker 2: of the rounds. He got hit with a lot of punches,

973
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,119
Speaker 2: and I don't need to see Manny pacyaw in a

974
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,639
Speaker 2: boxing ring in a real fight against a top young

975
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,679
Speaker 2: fighter in boxing. And I'm not saying Mario Barrios is

976
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: destined for the Boxing Hall of Fame, but he's a durable, strong,

977
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,039
Speaker 2: legit pro still you know, in his prime, and I

978
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: think you know it proving. Frankly, if you take a

979
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: look at the last few fights to man has had,

980
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: I don't need to see many pack You'll be taking

981
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: more punches. He's like forty five, forty, whatever number of

982
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: years old he is. He's had tons of rounds, tons

983
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,679
Speaker 2: of wars. Been an absolute legend, one of the most

984
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,159
Speaker 2: iconic fighters in the history of boxing, quite frankly for

985
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: me personally, an absolute joy to cover his entire career

986
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 2: in terms of once he got to the United States

987
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,199
Speaker 2: from Asia and started fighting all the way down in

988
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: the one hundred and twenty two pound way class. I've

989
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: covered probably twenty five many Pakia fights or there close

990
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: to it, all of his big fights. And it's over.

991
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: That's all there is to it. It is O v

992
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,159
Speaker 2: e r end of story. And if you needed any

993
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: reminder that it's over and that it's he's His name

994
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 2: is Manny Pacio. But the man in the ring does

995
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: not resemble the pound for pound king of the world,

996
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: the typhoon that was destroying everybody right from one twenty

997
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: two to one you know, forty seven, even a junior

998
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,199
Speaker 2: middleway title fight who set the all time record to

999
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: win championships in eight different weight classes. That guy's gone.

1000
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: He's not coming back.

1001
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,599
Speaker 1: And if you go back to the Ugas fight, he

1002
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: was lesser in that fight reflex wise, et cetera and

1003
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,199
Speaker 1: Ugas fight. But Augus is never going to be considered

1004
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,119
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame fighter. But he toyed with him

1005
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:18,639
Speaker 1: with the jab and the lead right hand. And this

1006
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: is three years later, and we're in our mid forties, right,

1007
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: he's what forty four, forty three, forty four.

1008
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,119
Speaker 2: So he's forty five years old and forty five now,

1009
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean three years ago in August, So that's how

1010
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: And I mean he trains in the gym, I guess,

1011
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: but he hasn't had like an He had one exhibition

1012
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: they did in US.

1013
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: Now here's the reality. He can make millions still off

1014
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: of being many Pakiau the politician events fighters in a gym.

1015
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: He's a promoter, he can do commentary, he can do

1016
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: all kinds of things and still be involved besides getting

1017
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,039
Speaker 1: hit in the head.

1018
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: That's what you're probably he probably can't go in the

1019
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,639
Speaker 2: ring in one night and make you know, ten or

1020
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars, But who's going to pay that he's making.

1021
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: He's made tens of millions, and I don't think it's

1022
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,039
Speaker 1: just hundred I don't hundreds of millions. I don't think

1023
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,519
Speaker 1: that it's about that as much at this stage, maybe

1024
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: with him as much as he misses the rush, the adrenaline,

1025
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,039
Speaker 1: the thrill. Fighters talk about that all the time.

1026
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: Trust me when I tell you it's the money. Also

1027
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,639
Speaker 2: because Manny has given away a ton of his money,

1028
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: maybe veritible nature of his life.

1029
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: But still you could he could still, you don't disagree

1030
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: with me. He could still make millions outside the ring.

1031
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: Not fifteen million in a night, but he can make

1032
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: millions outside the ring doing.

1033
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: All absolutely as a as a pitchman, doing products, you know,

1034
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: signing autographs like you said.

1035
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: Doing these commentary, promoting fighters. You can still make money

1036
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: be involved in the sport, but not in the hand anymore. Yeah.

1037
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 2: I just don't need to see him in a real

1038
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: professional boxing match. And I don't say that because I

1039
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,119
Speaker 2: dislike Manny Paco. I love Manny Pack Yet are you

1040
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 2: kidding me? It's just enough? Is enough?

1041
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 4: Uh?

1042
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,199
Speaker 1: There is also one other fight from Japan that you

1043
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: want to make mention of the IBF straw weight title fight,

1044
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:06,039
Speaker 1: and this one unfortunately had another stark reminder that you

1045
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:09,079
Speaker 1: don't play this sport like you play basketball or you

1046
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: play golf for other sports. This is fighting. At Yes,

1047
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,559
Speaker 1: their safety measures taken, but this is it can be

1048
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,199
Speaker 1: life and death. And apparently we have a very serious

1049
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,519
Speaker 1: situation with the Japanese fighter that was involved in this

1050
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: IBF strawweight title fight. So tell me more about what

1051
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: happened Sunday.

1052
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,079
Speaker 2: So this was in Japan also, but it was not

1053
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:32,159
Speaker 2: on the same part that many pacuaphon. It was a

1054
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: different location and this was the main event. This was

1055
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,159
Speaker 2: the IBF one hundred five pound title fight. The former

1056
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: title holder in this weight class of the IBF title

1057
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: from the Philippines, a South pond named Pedro Tadduran. He

1058
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: was the underdog taking on the young up and coming

1059
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,559
Speaker 2: Japanese champion eleven and zero going into the fight named

1060
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: Jinjiro Shigioka, whose brother also had a title. They actually

1061
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,639
Speaker 2: held titles in the straweight division at the same time.

1062
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: The brother has since lost the title. He was defending

1063
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,639
Speaker 2: the title against tataran uh in this fight that took

1064
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 2: place on Sunday, and he took a beating and he

1065
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: got stopped in the ninth round, and you know, his

1066
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: face was very puffy. He was taking a lot of

1067
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: Queen SHOT's big heart. Uh and uh and Tataran gets

1068
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: gets to win. And when they went back to the corner,

1069
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: they sat him down and it looked like he was groggy,

1070
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,039
Speaker 2: about to pass out. They had to lay him down

1071
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: on a stretcher. I watched this. It's that you can

1072
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: watch it on YouTube. Uh. They laid him down on

1073
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,679
Speaker 2: the stretcher and he looked just completely out of it.

1074
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: They took him to the hospital. Uh. I wish I had.

1075
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: And we're doing this. We're taping this several hours after

1076
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 2: this took place. But I don't have any particular update.

1077
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,639
Speaker 2: So hopefully it's just a matter of like he was

1078
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: exhausted or you know whatever, the just you know, dehydrated

1079
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,519
Speaker 2: or whatever it was. And you know, he'll just h,

1080
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:46,519
Speaker 2: you know, rest up, they'll check him over and everything

1081
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: will be okay. But I've been doing this a long

1082
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,559
Speaker 2: time and you had that look where you're real worried

1083
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: that something more squeamish.

1084
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: You get squeamish seeing the ambulance, you get squeamish seeing

1085
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:59,119
Speaker 1: I saw a dragon stretcher, the stretcher to go out

1086
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,119
Speaker 1: to the ambulance. You get squeamish when any of that

1087
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: starts happening. And again, Shiggy Yoka is the fighter, so

1088
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,199
Speaker 1: we hope for the best on that. And again this

1089
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,679
Speaker 1: is one of the limits obviously of what we do.

1090
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,599
Speaker 1: We don't have information right now, and danis checked a

1091
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: couple places we don't have information. I've looked on the

1092
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,599
Speaker 1: internet as well while we're doing the show. On any update,

1093
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,639
Speaker 1: it was it was a rough.

1094
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,599
Speaker 2: It was a rough.

1095
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: Fully, he's better, but we don't know that as we

1096
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: go into Monday here on on the program. All right,

1097
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: so we covered all of that, a little news and

1098
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: then some nostalgia. You did talk late last week, and

1099
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,599
Speaker 1: it has now happened after the announcement of the Canelo

1100
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: Albarez Edgar Berlanga fight, the IBF has moved forward and

1101
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: stripped him of their titles, so the Berlanga fight will

1102
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,599
Speaker 1: not be for the undisputed championship. And again I see

1103
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:49,639
Speaker 1: your reaction. You're shaking your head on this. They did

1104
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: follow through since last week, did the preview podcast.

1105
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people sit here and they'll

1106
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: tell you, well, you know, the IBF, of all of

1107
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: the organizations, they're the ones that follow their rules. And

1108
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:03,159
Speaker 2: you know, generally speaking that is the case. But as

1109
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:05,519
Speaker 2: I have made the point numerous times, the rules are antiquated,

1110
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: they don't fit with the current boxing environment where fighters

1111
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 2: are not fighting three, four or five times in a year.

1112
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: They also have now in my opinion, kind of injured

1113
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: their credibility as being the organization that follows their rules

1114
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,199
Speaker 2: because they've gone down slippery slope. And I can think of,

1115
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,039
Speaker 2: and I cited in the column that I wrote about this,

1116
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: two examples in the recent past, in the last year

1117
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: where they distinctly and unequivocally broke their rules that everybody

1118
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: claims that they follow. And that was when they allowed

1119
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Philip Hergovitch to fight Danie Dubois for the interim heavyweight

1120
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,679
Speaker 2: title when it was supposed to be stripped or sick

1121
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,119
Speaker 2: was supposed to vacate prior to the Tyson or I'm

1122
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: sorry in the immediate aftermath of the Tyson Fury fight,

1123
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: but they allowed that fight to be for the interim title.

1124
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: That was one hundred percent against their rules, no doubt

1125
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 2: about it. Go back to a period of time last

1126
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,519
Speaker 2: year where you had the the Terrence Crawford having unified

1127
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,519
Speaker 2: and become undisputed at welterweight champion with his victory against

1128
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: Aerol Spence. But while that was all going on, they

1129
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: allowed Jaron Nis to fight in January of last year

1130
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: Karen Chakatzi and for the vacant interim title, again against

1131
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: their rules, because the IBF is the one organization that

1132
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: did not utilize an interim title except in one specific instance,

1133
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,639
Speaker 2: and that is if the champion is unavailable due to

1134
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: injury that will keep him out for a long period

1135
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,159
Speaker 2: of time, then they will allow an interim title. That

1136
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: was not the case with Terrence Cruft. He was not injured.

1137
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: He was going through the business situation of what was

1138
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 2: occurring after that whole thing. What's going on with you know?

1139
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:41,639
Speaker 2: Is he gonna fight Spence? Is he not gonna fight Spence?

1140
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen with Spence? So don't give me the

1141
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 2: bullshit that the IBF is the only ones that follow

1142
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,599
Speaker 2: their rules, because they've broken two major rules for two

1143
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:53,159
Speaker 2: major fighters. They've been over backwards for Terrence Crawford in

1144
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: that situation to not strip him before allowing the interim title.

1145
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:59,679
Speaker 2: They did the same thing for the heavyweight championship, and

1146
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Canelo Alvarez is even bigger than they

1147
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,199
Speaker 2: need to hold on. They need to modify the rules

1148
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,039
Speaker 2: number one, but number two, they got to do a

1149
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,639
Speaker 2: better job with the rankings and not put a William

1150
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: Skull as de mandatory to think to think that an obscure,

1151
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: unknown fighter. And I'm not saying he can't fight and

1152
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: he's not a nice guy and anything like that. He

1153
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 2: has nothing in his record of his entire professional career

1154
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 2: that would indicate to you it should be the number

1155
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 2: one contender. And if you don't fight against Canelo Alvarez,

1156
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 2: we're stripping the number one star in boxing, one of

1157
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,079
Speaker 2: the top four or five town town fighters in boxing.

1158
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,679
Speaker 2: It's just a fucking shit show, and I'm sitting of it.

1159
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: Didn't you tell me when we did the preview podcast,

1160
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:41,159
Speaker 1: we looked it up. Mongia is third in the IBF

1161
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,119
Speaker 1: behind and Edgar Berlanga is fourth, and nobody's heard of

1162
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:48,199
Speaker 1: William Skull being in the number one in the pole

1163
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: position and the number one ridiculous.

1164
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,039
Speaker 2: So the guy guys like there their rankings. They've got

1165
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 2: a lot of the right guys. They're just in the

1166
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,639
Speaker 2: wrong fucking order. Like they have Christian Mobili number three,

1167
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: they have Billy right, they got Diego Pacheco number six,

1168
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: they got Heimi monkey In number seven, they got Eric

1169
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: Bazienian number eight. Who Mongi is actually going to be fighting,

1170
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 2: uh in his next fight. I'm just saying, like, I'm

1171
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,519
Speaker 2: just sick and fucking tired of the way the IBF

1172
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:16,159
Speaker 2: does this there. Whenever there's a fucking stripping of an

1173
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 2: undisputed or unified champion, it's always the IBF that that

1174
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,079
Speaker 2: the one that gets stripped away.

1175
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,119
Speaker 1: And they did it too before. They did it to

1176
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: Canelo as a middleweight champ.

1177
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 2: That is true. So but anyway they did follow through

1178
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: on it, they stripped them the title, and uh, I'll

1179
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,159
Speaker 2: just put it to you like this boxing is not

1180
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: better off because canelour is a stripped of a world title.

1181
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: Period agreed a couple of Golden Boy things. By the way,

1182
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: Oscar de la Hoya did a social media uh video

1183
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,519
Speaker 1: for what it's worth saying that hey, Haimi Mongy is

1184
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: not leaving Golden Boy. He's only fighting one fight for

1185
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,199
Speaker 1: top rank. That's his rebuttal uh that we'll see about that.

1186
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: He said that on Thursday Nights.

1187
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: Has a lot of things that are not true.

1188
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: There you go, you covered, you covered that, and and

1189
00:56:58,039 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: what you believe.

1190
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: Is, by the way, I say, respectfully, is somebody that

1191
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: has known and liked Oscar for nearly twenty five years.

1192
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,159
Speaker 1: I hear you. But Golden Boy did make an announcement

1193
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:11,079
Speaker 1: about the Virgil Ortiz Boachuck undercard for Las Vegas for

1194
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: August tenth, the what's the prominent fights or fight.

1195
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: So the main event between Boachik and Virgil Arties is

1196
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: a terrific matchup that's going to be a really exciting,

1197
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: fun fight, highly significant in the one hundred and fifty

1198
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,599
Speaker 2: four pounds weight class. They're fighting for Boachick's interim title.

1199
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:28,559
Speaker 2: But they unveiled the remainder of that card. So I

1200
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: had reported a couple of weeks ago that two of

1201
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: the guys that would be on the show would be

1202
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,599
Speaker 2: Charles Conwell, the Olympian who was a high ranked fighter

1203
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:39,519
Speaker 2: in the Jerim mid awake division. Also and also that

1204
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: the guy and he had had one fight for Golden

1205
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,719
Speaker 2: Boy previously. This will be a second fight for Golden

1206
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: Boy and also I mentioned that Kenneth Simms, who is

1207
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,719
Speaker 2: the excellent junior welterweight contender that they had just recently signed,

1208
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:51,639
Speaker 2: was also going to be on the car, but he

1209
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:53,719
Speaker 2: didn't have opponents. So now they have opponents. So they

1210
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: announced that Charles Conwell will be in the co feature.

1211
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: He will fight the Massachusetts fighter Kiari Gray in his

1212
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: first fight that's a ten rounder, and that'll be the

1213
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: Conwell fight, And that Kenneth Sims will fight Jesus Ricky

1214
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,039
Speaker 2: Perez in a ten rounder that will be his bout

1215
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:11,239
Speaker 2: on that card. Perez has claimed to fame is that

1216
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,679
Speaker 2: in his most recent fight he pulled off the upset

1217
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 2: in a ten rounder against Joseph Diaz Junior, so that

1218
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: was a good win for him, and so he's rewarded

1219
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: with this fight against Kenneth Sims. So those are the

1220
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,079
Speaker 2: two main guys, because Conwell and Sims are both in

1221
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: position where you know, get these types of wins on

1222
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,079
Speaker 2: this card in August, and they're in position to be

1223
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: fighting for world titles. They're both highly ranked, they're both

1224
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: very talented, and they're both interesting to watch. They had

1225
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: already announced at the press conference when they had Boatschuk

1226
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: and Virgil, you know, talk things up. They had also

1227
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: at that press conference, the IBF Women's flyweight champion, Gabriella Fondora,

1228
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: the younger sister of us the Bashan Fundor, announced her

1229
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: second defense against Daniella Essenjo, so that's also on the card.

1230
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: And then they also announced that they're welterweight the Excellent

1231
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,639
Speaker 2: Amateur Team USA fighter not going to the Olympics, but

1232
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: a top amateur Tyler ranked fighter three and oh fighter

1233
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,719
Speaker 2: from Bakersfield, California named joel Erie Arte. He will open

1234
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,639
Speaker 2: the card in the main card in a six rounder

1235
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,039
Speaker 2: and then actually interestingly enough, in the preliminary card, not

1236
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:12,599
Speaker 2: for the main Desonne card, but the free ones that

1237
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:16,159
Speaker 2: you can probably find on YouTube or Golden Boys YouTube channel,

1238
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: and his owne free on his owne is Cecilia Brek

1239
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: who's you know, the longtime number one female boxer in

1240
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,519
Speaker 2: the world, long time, long time undisputed welterweight champion. She

1241
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:30,719
Speaker 2: had just lost last year, she had challenged for a

1242
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,639
Speaker 2: junior middleweight title. She's coming back and now she's taking

1243
00:59:33,639 --> 00:59:35,239
Speaker 2: on the in like I said, the main fight of

1244
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: the preliminaries. She's challenging Emma Cozen for the WBC and

1245
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:42,079
Speaker 2: the WBO Women's junior middlewaight titles. So interesting, it's the

1246
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:45,039
Speaker 2: return of Breccos.

1247
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

1248
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what she's got left.

1249
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:50,519
Speaker 1: I know it's amazing because she had such a long,

1250
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: what ten year run at walterweight and able to make

1251
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,639
Speaker 1: welterweight for ten years and here she is at forty two.

1252
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: Because money is probably a big motivator.

1253
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: She's probably not making that much for this one of

1254
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: the opportunities, so.

1255
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: I guess the opportunity and the opportunity to make some

1256
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,079
Speaker 1: more money here at the very end of your career.

1257
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,559
Speaker 2: And she told you know, she didn't perform badly when

1258
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:10,159
Speaker 2: she got the opportunity. In the previous fight where she

1259
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: fought for one of the junior middleweight boughs, she was

1260
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: fighting for the WBA belt. She fought to a draw

1261
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:18,159
Speaker 2: against Terry Harper, so she didn't lose, but she didn't win.

1262
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:21,239
Speaker 2: So you have a title. So her promoter for many

1263
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,039
Speaker 2: years have been Tom Loffler is also the promoter for Boachuk.

1264
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: She you know, he got her a spot in this

1265
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,079
Speaker 2: card and you know, as women's boxing goes, it'll be

1266
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:31,199
Speaker 2: good to see Cecilia back and see what she's got left,

1267
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: and Cozen gets a chance to fight one of the

1268
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:34,679
Speaker 2: biggest names in women's boxing ever.

1269
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:38,239
Speaker 1: All right, one more noted than some nostalgia before we

1270
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,039
Speaker 1: are gone. That is a lineal and cruiserweight, a lineal

1271
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: and IBF cruiseweight champ Ji Opataiah. When last we saw him,

1272
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,559
Speaker 1: he validated his upset of Bratis with a rematch win

1273
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:54,519
Speaker 1: by decision. So Opataiah now is saying, Hey, I want

1274
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: to fight WBO champ WBO Cruiserweight champ, the Englishman Chris

1275
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: Billum Smith. But he says Bill and Smith doesn't want

1276
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,719
Speaker 1: to fight me. He says they put a contract in

1277
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: front of him and he won't sign it. So just

1278
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: kind of interesting that he took that public. It was

1279
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,079
Speaker 1: it was on an Australian fight card the other night, right,

1280
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:13,719
Speaker 1: either Thursday night or Friday night. Opataiah was revealing this

1281
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,119
Speaker 1: right well.

1282
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: I spoke to Opatia's publisher, to publicists who sent me

1283
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: some comments from Opataiah. But the thing that was interesting

1284
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: is that they were going to offer that Opatias that

1285
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,199
Speaker 2: he would give Bill Smith two hundred and fifty thousand

1286
01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: dollars of his own money and take a smaller person him,

1287
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: even though you know, obviously as the lineal champion and

1288
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:35,079
Speaker 2: you know the guy with the big backing, you know

1289
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:36,719
Speaker 2: as Bill and Smith's with a big promoter also. But

1290
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,159
Speaker 2: the point was that you know, he's really going to

1291
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: give him Bill and Smith the opportunity also, and he'd

1292
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: be willing to take a lot less money apparently, and

1293
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,639
Speaker 2: give him a chunk of money himself and Bill Smith

1294
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:48,599
Speaker 2: and their people. That's boxer Ben Shlon won't even respond

1295
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:50,679
Speaker 2: to them about it. You know, he's coming off his

1296
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: victory against the revenge fight that he had for his

1297
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,639
Speaker 2: only previous loss against Richard Rikapore. But as far as

1298
01:01:57,639 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: I know, there's nothing specific set for him coming up,

1299
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:02,679
Speaker 2: and Opataia is looking to unify. He wants to put

1300
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: the titles all together. And to me, if you are

1301
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: a champion, and especially guys who've had the belts for

1302
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,039
Speaker 2: a little while Bill on Smith's, you know he's made

1303
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: a couple of defenses, you should want to unify the titles.

1304
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,639
Speaker 2: You should want to show you're the best in your

1305
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:16,119
Speaker 2: weight class. And so if the people are honest and

1306
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:17,559
Speaker 2: trying to sit down and make a deal with you,

1307
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: and it clearly seems in terms of the financial aspect

1308
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 2: of it, they're willing to bend uh go out there

1309
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 2: and let's let's get it on. I mean, you know,

1310
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,079
Speaker 2: just because you lose a fight doesn't mean your careers over.

1311
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,199
Speaker 2: I'd love to see that's a good match.

1312
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: I have no knowledge on this. You're far more plugged in.

1313
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: He remember he beat o'coley, Lawrence o'coley, and aren't they

1314
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,679
Speaker 1: friends or friendly? And is there may be a rematch

1315
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: there in the offing that they just want to do

1316
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: in England and maybe that's what they're up to. I'm

1317
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: only spectator. I have no idea.

1318
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 2: Larce o'cley and him were friendly, but Larce o'cley just

1319
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,159
Speaker 2: went up to went up and wait and won the

1320
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: WBC's Bridgerwaight.

1321
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: Titles that he's likely not it. Okay, that's not happening.

1322
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:56,719
Speaker 1: So we'll see if Billum Smith wants to agree or not.

1323
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: But for right now, Opataiah is saying, duck, duck, duck.

1324
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:02,159
Speaker 1: It's a duck right now that we've sent him a

1325
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: contract and he doesn't want to come fight for the

1326
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:05,159
Speaker 1: unified career.

1327
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't he didn't send him a contract. He made

1328
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: an offer of a money thing.

1329
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,639
Speaker 1: They didn't. Oh okay, you didn't.

1330
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: Get to the details. They won't even return the call.

1331
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, nostalgia time here to wrap things up.

1332
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: Twenty three years ago. On Sunday Night, July twenty eight,

1333
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,719
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, Roy Jones retained his undisputed light

1334
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:30,199
Speaker 1: heavyweight championship. But I know you've you've sent me this

1335
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: fight before. It is the anniversary now twenty three years

1336
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: later of Eric Morales and in gin Chi. Speaking of

1337
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, you're going to be in LA later this week.

1338
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: This was in Los Angeles at the Staples Center twenty

1339
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,679
Speaker 1: three years ago, Sunday Night, July twenty eighth, of one.

1340
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: Tell me more, tell me more about being there that night.

1341
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:51,679
Speaker 2: I think this was the second ever time I went

1342
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:55,079
Speaker 2: to LA to cover a fight. Roy Jones did not

1343
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: have a specific promoter at that time, but he was

1344
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,719
Speaker 2: doing a deal He worked on a kind of a

1345
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: fight by fight basis with the promoters. He was working

1346
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,079
Speaker 2: with Top Rank on this fight. It was an HBO

1347
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:05,719
Speaker 2: pay per view and they match him up with the

1348
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: Southern California light heavyweight Julio Gonzalez, who had been a

1349
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 2: guy that people had come to know to a degree

1350
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,239
Speaker 2: because he had been in some great fights on the

1351
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: old ESPN two Friday Night Fight series. He was a

1352
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: good top contender at that time. He was twenty seven

1353
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,119
Speaker 2: and zero. Roy was you know, the dominating on disputed

1354
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: champ at light heavyweight. And they made the match and

1355
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: they put that on as the main event. And you know,

1356
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: not this is not a shock because this is what

1357
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,119
Speaker 2: Roy did to all of his opponents at that time.

1358
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: He ran through him, you know, like like shit through

1359
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,239
Speaker 2: a goose. He just won easil, you know, he won lopsided,

1360
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: like you know, eleven to one, right and two. But

1361
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: the thing about it was the undercard fight. The co

1362
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,239
Speaker 2: feature of the fight was the to me anyway was

1363
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: the fight. I mean it was it was great to

1364
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,239
Speaker 2: see Roy Jones at his best, you know, do his thing,

1365
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,679
Speaker 2: But the the thrills and the excitement was really the

1366
01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 2: co feature. They had Eric Morales, who at that time

1367
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,199
Speaker 2: was the WBC featherweight champion, and he had a fight

1368
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,639
Speaker 2: a mandatory named Injin chief Korea, who I had actually

1369
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:03,519
Speaker 2: seen videos of and was familiar with. He was an

1370
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:06,199
Speaker 2: exciting fighter and you just had a knew going in

1371
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:07,719
Speaker 2: like this is going to be one heck of a fight.

1372
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: And you know, when you think about Eric Morales, everybody

1373
01:05:10,519 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: thinks about some of the more famous, you know, great

1374
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: action fights he's been in, obviously the trilogy against Marco

1375
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: Antonio Brera, certainly at least the first two fights against

1376
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 2: Manny Pacio, and plenty of other fights that made Eric

1377
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: Morales the legend that he is, but one of the

1378
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,639
Speaker 2: most underrated fights of his entire career. It may not

1379
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,159
Speaker 2: be as famous as the Morales Brera fights or the

1380
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:36,559
Speaker 2: Pacquiao fights, but this fight between Eric Mouson and ind

1381
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:39,639
Speaker 2: and she is a barn burner, is a tremendous battle

1382
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,119
Speaker 2: and it's absolutely worth checking out. Just a great, great,

1383
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:45,519
Speaker 2: all action fight. That was the co feature on that

1384
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: night at the Staples Center, and to me that was

1385
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 2: far more memorable than I mean, you know, Roy did

1386
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,119
Speaker 2: his sting. He was brilliant, but he was brilliant in

1387
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: a one sided way. This fight between Morales and she

1388
01:05:57,639 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: was just a barn burner of barn burners and the

1389
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: rest of the car actually, you had a lot of

1390
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 2: stuff on it. You had the first fight between the

1391
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:07,719
Speaker 2: then totally unknown. Ricardo Majorga who had his mandatory shot

1392
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: against the then WBA welterweight title holder who was with

1393
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: top rank Andrew six says Lewis. They had a head butt,

1394
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: it turned out to be a two round zero contest,

1395
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,119
Speaker 2: and when they fought in the rematch on showtime. In

1396
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:20,519
Speaker 2: their next fights, it was Ricardo Majorga who got the

1397
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 2: knockout and won the welterweight title, and then obviously went

1398
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: on and had you know, his his notable fights and

1399
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: fought a ton of top guy squat Vernon Forrest, we

1400
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: beat twice, had big fights against Tito Trinidad and against

1401
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: Oscar de la Hoya and Fernando Vargas and et cetera.

1402
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:37,079
Speaker 2: And even on lower down on the undercard on the

1403
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:39,159
Speaker 2: pay per view, you had a a five and Oh

1404
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: Miguel Cooto out of the Olympics, Wow name on the

1405
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,159
Speaker 2: way up score and oh win in a sixth rounder.

1406
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 2: That's how they did it. Back then. This was a

1407
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:51,599
Speaker 2: real the main event. Maybe not was the most anticipated fight,

1408
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,239
Speaker 2: but if you're a Roy Jones fan, you know he

1409
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: was a big deal. And then all these other interesting

1410
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,199
Speaker 2: fights on the cart and one of the great prospects

1411
01:06:57,239 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: in boxing in Miguel Coto, and you know, I went

1412
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:02,679
Speaker 2: and it was it was. I thoroughly enjoyed it. And

1413
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: I always, you know, TJ. When I go to places,

1414
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,519
Speaker 2: I didn't go to a lot that are not necessarily

1415
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 2: like I'd only been to La once before for the

1416
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,599
Speaker 2: first fight I cover, which was Dale, Roy and Mosey.

1417
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: One.

1418
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: Always try when I've gone to other cities to do

1419
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:18,239
Speaker 2: something while i'm there that's not necessarily boxing related. So

1420
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 2: when I've gone to other places, I've gone to like,

1421
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,039
Speaker 2: you know, Uh, I went to like the Bill Clinton

1422
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 2: Presidential Museum one time. When I went to Arkansas, me

1423
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 2: and a bunch of guys on the day of the

1424
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,719
Speaker 2: Jermaine Taylor fight went to the museum. I'm gone to,

1425
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,159
Speaker 2: like the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis, Tennessee. I've been

1426
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: to like we went to like a Houston Rockets game,

1427
01:07:34,679 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: you know, when we were in Houston for a fight.

1428
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:38,679
Speaker 2: So on the day of the after the weigh in

1429
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: for this Roy Jones event, I went with UH Bruce

1430
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 2: Trampler from top Rank and UH and Bruce's lovely wife

1431
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,199
Speaker 2: and a couple other people, we went to the Dodgers

1432
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: game first time we went to like the La Dodgers.

1433
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:53,519
Speaker 2: So I remember that trip because of all those things,

1434
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 2: and of course the fight that stood out the most

1435
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: was this incredible fight between Eric Rouse.

1436
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:01,079
Speaker 1: And the cool Thing. I remember you had this and

1437
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: you put it up on your social media. Oh you

1438
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,199
Speaker 1: have you have the fight poster from that night. And

1439
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: this is fascinating because they were marketing it in southern California,

1440
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: in Korea Town and elsewhere, all in Korean, with Chi

1441
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:20,279
Speaker 1: and Morales above Roy Jones in the in terms of

1442
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,239
Speaker 1: the marketing, more prominent, bigger fighters on the poster and

1443
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: the whole posters in Korean and race except that in

1444
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: the in the Rayfield collection.

1445
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 2: Except for the words top Rank, which are in English,

1446
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,199
Speaker 2: and then I guess the phone number you can call

1447
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:34,279
Speaker 2: for tickets. But they not only did they and this

1448
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 2: was listen, this is brilliant marketing from top Rank. You know,

1449
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,199
Speaker 2: you fish with the fish or you want to let

1450
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 2: the people know, hey, we have At that time. I

1451
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,079
Speaker 2: mean not to say that Korea doesn't hasn't produced loads

1452
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:47,520
Speaker 2: and loads of superstar professional boxers, but at that time,

1453
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands, ingin t was the single

1454
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: most notable prominent Korean professional in the sport, and so

1455
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 2: they were bringing him here for this title fight against

1456
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: Eric Morales. And obviously they were going to have the

1457
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 2: diehard Roy Jones fans. They were going to have a

1458
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,079
Speaker 2: lot of Mexican fans because of Eric Morales's spot on

1459
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:07,159
Speaker 2: that card. So what better way to go to a

1460
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:10,039
Speaker 2: place in uh? The Korean area of Los Angeles has

1461
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:13,199
Speaker 2: tremendous Korean population. I have to a market market. But

1462
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:15,079
Speaker 2: hold on, not only did they put the the Chi

1463
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:17,199
Speaker 2: and Morales fight on top of the poster to make

1464
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:19,039
Speaker 2: it look like the main event, they actually put she

1465
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 2: on the left hand side and the position as the team.

1466
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: I have to ask, is that the only Korean fight

1467
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,399
Speaker 1: poster or program in the Rayfield collection? I don't know

1468
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: the answer.

1469
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 2: I think that it might be, and it's definitely not

1470
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 2: the I have. Well, the I have a Korean program

1471
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: from another fight.

1472
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, that's the only one.

1473
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,520
Speaker 2: I think it might be the only fight poster one.

1474
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:43,199
Speaker 4: Uh.

1475
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:46,239
Speaker 2: When we were talking about Manny Pakiao in the exhibition,

1476
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:50,039
Speaker 2: he had done a prior exhibition in South Korea. I

1477
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:54,199
Speaker 2: actually have some goodies from that from that career.

1478
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,199
Speaker 1: Of course, you do because you're you. But the ch

1479
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,279
Speaker 1: Morales fight is worth it, so check that out. So

1480
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:04,039
Speaker 1: that fight again was twenty three years ago as we

1481
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:06,239
Speaker 1: released the podcast Sunday Night on July twenty eight, so

1482
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:11,119
Speaker 1: advance to Monday and the year before. On July twenty

1483
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 1: ninth of two thousand, Costa Zoo retained his WBC Junior

1484
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: Welterweight championship with a wipeout knockout of who Julio Caesar Chavez.

1485
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: This was in Phoenix and Chavez was clearly at the end.

1486
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: This would turn out right to be his last world

1487
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,079
Speaker 1: title fight, right yeah.

1488
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: Julio Saysar Chavez was is obviously one of the all

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Speaker 2: time great fighters in history the sport. Most people think

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Speaker 2: he's the number one fighter of all time. In terms

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Speaker 2: of Mexican boxing. He was way at the end of

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Speaker 2: his career at this point. But because of his Mexican

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Speaker 2: heritage and because of the WBC being Mexican and them

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Speaker 2: having nothing but love for Julio says oar Javas, they

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Speaker 2: made a bad decision. They made Julio Saysar Chavas the

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Speaker 2: mandatory challenger. I mean he was not anywhere in terms

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Speaker 2: of that. You should be the number one contender to

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Speaker 2: a young fighter at that time like Costa Zoo right,

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Speaker 2: a younger fighter anyway, much younger and still in his

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Speaker 2: prime and everything like that, and uh Chavez took an

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Speaker 2: absolute beating. They put the fight in Phoenix, so even

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Speaker 2: though Chavez was the challenger, it was all his crowd.

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Speaker 2: Matter of fact, Vladd Wharton, the late Lad Wharton, who

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Speaker 2: was the promoter of the fight. I've heard this. I

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Speaker 2: didn't actually attend this fight, but I know guys that

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Speaker 2: were there. They sold the media seats and then and

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Speaker 2: it was like a ridiculous thing with the way they

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Speaker 2: put the press involved, because they sold their seats, that's

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Speaker 2: how big of a crowd they had, because the people

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Speaker 2: had come out to see Chavas if he could reclaim

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Speaker 2: the glory and win the title again. Even though if

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Speaker 2: you really weren't thinking with your heart but thinking with

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Speaker 2: your head, there was basically no chance at that Chabas

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Speaker 2: was going to regain the.

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Speaker 1: Time because Oscar had beaten him badly twice before this.

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Speaker 2: He was just he was just he was just long

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Speaker 2: gone at this point. I mean, he had he had lost,

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Speaker 2: you know, afraid about the daily Way fight. He had

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Speaker 2: won some other, you know, lower level fights, but he

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Speaker 2: had lost a couple of fights prior in ninety nine

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Speaker 2: a decision to Willie Wise, who was just a ranked

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Speaker 2: journeyman type of fighter. So the fact that he was

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Speaker 2: getting this World championship fight was kind of ridiculous. But

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Speaker 2: the key here though, what I was mentioning, he got knocking.

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Speaker 2: Do you know, Chavas didn't really get knocked down a

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Speaker 2: lot Costazu knocked him down before the stoppage. He had

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Speaker 2: won every round basically on the scorecards. Maybe Chavez might

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Speaker 2: have won one round earlier on but as I mentioned, uh,

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Speaker 2: Julio says, our job is this was the last World

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Speaker 2: championship fight that he appeared in his career. Now after

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01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 2: this was over, he only fought five more times, but

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Speaker 2: the last world title fight when he retired, and still

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Speaker 2: to this day it is the record. No boxer whoever

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Speaker 2: has has boxed in the history of the sport has

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Speaker 2: ever appeared in more World Championship fights than Julio says.

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Speaker 2: Our chov is. This was number thirty seven for Cha.

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Speaker 2: So he has thirty seven.

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Speaker 1: World already, seven of them.

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Speaker 2: That's a career for some guys.

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Speaker 1: That's a whole career. A lot of guys a lot

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Speaker 1: for a lot of Hall of Fame fighters, they don't

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Speaker 1: have twenty world championship fights. Some of them might only

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Speaker 1: have fifteen world title fights on the Hall of Fame career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you think about Havan of though, all the

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01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,039
Speaker 2: fights that Chaves had, I mean he had well over

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Speaker 2: one hundred, you know, one hundred professional fights in total,

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Speaker 2: but basically a third of one hundred you know, plus

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Speaker 2: fights were all in in world championship fights. I mean, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's one of the greatest of all time,

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Speaker 2: of course, but not on this night. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: was this was Chavez, you know, one more shot that

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Speaker 2: he didn't deserve. Quite frankly, he got the opportunity, and

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Speaker 2: Costazu did what he's supposed to do, which is wipe

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Speaker 2: him out. Uh, you know, kind of sad to see

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Speaker 2: Showtime carried the fight. And uh, you know, if you

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Speaker 2: take a look at the names of Kastazou's record, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Costa is you arguably one of the greatest junior wealthy

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Speaker 2: rates of all time. It's in the Boxing Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: He went on after this so to become on disputed

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01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: He beat charm Bay initial to unified titles. He you know,

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Speaker 2: a couple of fights after that, he had the memorable

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Speaker 2: win against ab Judah to become undisputed, and then went

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Speaker 2: on and had several more defenses before he finally had

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Speaker 2: his final fight against Ricky Hatton and lost the title.

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Speaker 2: But the chav Is that was a that was a

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Speaker 2: It was a big promotion and a big fight, but

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Speaker 2: one where we kind of all knew what the outcome

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Speaker 2: was going to be prior to it actually taking place.

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Speaker 1: An anniversary again Monday the twenty ninth, July twenty ninth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four years ago, a full pod, lots of recaps,

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Speaker 1: some news we heard from Israel Madramov getting ready to

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Speaker 1: fight for the biggest bout of his career against Terrence

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01:14:16,399 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: Crawford in the main event coming Saturday. And that means

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Speaker 1: you're headed out there later this week as we get

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Speaker 1: the week underway, you'll be in La La Land. As

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Speaker 1: I like to say, the authorities have been notified. You're

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Speaker 1: headed to La County, Orange County. Whatever.

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01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 2: There's no reason to notify authorities.

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Speaker 1: You're meeting with your agents, your handlers for your next

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Speaker 1: movie role, etc. In Hollywood maybe a record deal. I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard you sing recently though, and you heard it

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Speaker 1: out there. You're headed out there later in the week.

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Speaker 1: You ready to go.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. I'm looking forward to it, all right.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little bit, don't I tell you this though,

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Speaker 2: being for real, I don't love the fact that this card.

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Speaker 2: It's a really great card. I mean, it's stack card.

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Speaker 2: Nothing I'm bad to say about it. But I don't

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Speaker 2: love the fact that it's outdoors in Los Angeles in August.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be hot.

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Speaker 1: It is gonna be a little hot.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I saw something this weekend where the ticket sales

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Speaker 1: they may have to lower some prices because some people

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Speaker 1: are remarking the ticket sales apparently may not be great

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Speaker 1: right now because of how high priced the tickets are.

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Speaker 1: Who knows if they come down as the week goes

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Speaker 1: on to fill up some seats. But will, I mean,

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Speaker 1: not just the Crawford fight Cruz you talked to Andy

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Speaker 1: Ruiz on the previous pod is on this card.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Jared Anderson's on the card again.

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Speaker 1: And Jared Anderson and Bacoley will be a very intriguing fight.

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Speaker 1: All of that.

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Speaker 2: David Morrell moving up to the light heavyweight for his

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Speaker 2: debut against hot Rod. You got the Olympic gold medalist

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Speaker 2: Andy Cruse is.

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Speaker 1: I want to meet on the bone all right, So

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Speaker 1: you're headed out to La. Excellent job here on the pod.

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Speaker 1: We'll check in with you later in the week. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: As always, off the weekend with the recaps and the

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Speaker 1: news and the nostalgia. Thank you, Dan Rayfield. There is

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Speaker 1: our insider. I'm merely TJ. Reeves again. Follow subscribe on

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